Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

[Sizzle-Chested Soldier]

Actually, I don't think this forum could be more ON topic. What is the most important thing we are talking about right now? I'm pretty sure Sizzle-Chest pinpointed it: a war on terror. It is men like him that provide the blanket of freedom that we as Americans sleep peaceably under every night. We want men like that on guard, we NEED men like that on guard for us.

When it comes to the IRR question: the answer is as simple as commitment. Just like numerous others have already posted, when you sign up for the Army, Uncle Sam owns you. He decides what hours you work, where you live, and what benefits you receive. This is the way it is and the way it has always been. Even George Washington knew the comitment and he knew that the Army was all about dedicated, unquestioning loyalty. When he signed his name on the dotted line, he knew he had to do his IRR time. Do you think George Washington would have skipped out on IRR? No, because that's what Benedict Arnold did, and George Washinigton HATED Benedict Arnold. One time George even called Benedict a 'billy no-mates' which meant that Benedict didn't have any friends which at the time was the greatest insult a British gentleman could tell another British gentleman, and it is even worse when an american call a brit this name. this is fact.

i think the big take away is that it is up to us as enlisted, nco's and officers (an army of ONE) to set the standard for the rest of the country and the world. after all, we have a far superior ethical compass than the rest of the world. that is why it was okay for us to tell iraq to be free and become a democracy - because the government they had before wasn't good and as the most powerful country in the world it is our righteous responsibility to determine what governments are good and what are bad. for example: iraq (pre-american occupation) BAD, iran BAD, North Korea BAD, New Zealand BAD. America GOOD, Britain GOOD, Uganda GOOD. and it is up to the GOOD guys to tell the BAD guys 'hey you bad guys, stop being dicks and shove your oppression up your tight assholes. here, take this freedom and democracy like smart GOOD guys and become better. because democracy is the best thing we have and all other government types arent as good - that's what our founding father Lincoln said at his Ghettysburg address. Lincoln was like "all you people in the south shouldn't be slaves and here is my emancipation that i am proclamating and you are now free and if the south doesnt like it they are stupid bad guys and we will war them."

i guess what i'm trying to say is, i serve this country to fight for its way of life which is freedom and democracy and which we must make everybody else have because its morally correct. as an NCO in the american army, i have also tried to fight honorably and uphold the standard. what we do today to protect freedom from oppressors is exactly what my gradfather did during WWII. he fought and DIED for his country. how many of you will die for yours? obviously you don't even want to do IRR cause you are like Benedict Arnold. My Grandfather knew what he was getting into when he was fighting. He signed the dotted line and the government owned him. he knew he had to fight for them and that they may require him to sacrafice his life, which he did HONORABLY. nobody could have seen the enemy coming when they invaded his camp in Oświęcim. all he was doing was serving his country cause he signed the dotted line. he didnt question what he was doing, he just acted cause he had instilled in himself the 7 army values EVEN BACK THEN BEFORE THEY WERE INVENTED!!!!! specifically DUTY. he did his job w/ SELFLESS SERVICE. no body got in or out of that camp without him knowing about it. he had the LOYALTY to not doubt his country or try to get out of his comitment. the military and government said what he was doing was right and he understood that as a soldier he must accept this totally and completely and fulfill his duty - LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON.

that is all i have to say for now.

STRIKE HOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


First, I would just like to apologize for my last email, as it may have come off as a bit too HOOAH. I am, in fact,.... a closet Ranger. With that in mind, I don't want anyone on this forum to feel threatened or too inferior to me - that's only natural, but not necessary, fellow patriots. I would also like to take this opportunity to point out what an outstanding and historically accurate point SGT D. Diggler made on the roots of IRR and how our glorious, righteous nation was founded. In fact, if our country's first president - George Washington - had NOT signed on his dotted line to do IRR, the country would not have been able to find him and call him up via carrier-pigeon when the 13 Colonies revolted. He could have just stayed retired after a career in Her Majesty's service, but then the United States of America, the pinnacle of civilization, would never have been created. And if the grand 'ole US of A was never created, then all the great accomplishments of our forefathers - Manifest Destiny, Peanut Butter, the perfected use of slavery to create a strong capitalistic economy in the south, the Atomic Bomb, and the Humvee - would never have happened. And that, gentlemen, is a thought too painful for me to linger on for long, so I will continue.

Variable WInd, you bring up a fantastic point from our great nation's history in rebuttal to SpyShark69. In earlier times deserters would have been courts marshaled and executed by firing squad or hanging. Another, though less well known form, was being burned at the stake, since witches and warlocks could often be found "hiding in plain site" in the military during that period. In fact, witches were the primary cause of our Continental Army's painful first years of the Grand War for Independence, as the snake worshippers were in cahoots with the Red Coats to undermine the budding freedom movement. Thankfully, General Washington was proactive in his hunt for the occult followers during that time period, and using special witch hunters like Paul Revere and Aaron Burr, was able to burn them out of the military and thus focus his entire attention on the British.

I am somewhat dissappointed in some of my fellow patriots not seeing the importance of this entire forum. We have not actually gone off topic. The topic is only partially about IRR. The other part is loyalty and service. I think everyone needs to understand that people see their duty in different terms. Some outstanding and well-groomed individuals - like myself - understand that our loyalty is to serve until my obligation is up, which means I must partake in the IRR. Other, not-outstanding and weak idividuals - like SpyShark69, Hugh G., Micheap, and LethalKris6 - understand that their loyalty is to run away as soon as the military stops holding them to daily accountability formations. As much as it hurts to stay ready to fight when all I want to do is rest, I know that my pride would never allow me to be considered a "billy no-mates." No, I will serve my IRR time, because I know George Washington would look down from above with approval, and maybe even a kirt nod.

Airborne Ranger, Guts and Danger!

[ArmyBrave1]

Throwing a hypothetical question out here ...

What if the draft started up tomorrow ? It is bound to happen sooner or later. It is just a matter of time.

Does this mean those who are on IRR will be able to go home once their tour of duty is over ?

[MCGYVER]

Throwing a hypothetical question out here ...

What if the draft started up tomorrow ? It is bound to happen sooner or later. It is just a matter of time.

Does this mean those who are on IRR will be able to go home once their tour of duty is over ?

Not at all likely any time in the foreseeable future. We have a ton of troops right now and are about to completely shut down Iraq. Most likely obama will not commit any more troops to Afghanistan and will probably start a drawdown there as well. We simply have way too many joes and janes right now and unless we get another war quick we will have to cut troop levels. The economy is still essentially in the toilet and recruiting is at an all time high. They don't even have to do visits, recruits are coming to THEM.

[LethalKris 6]

LethalKris,
There's nothing better than women in the military :) As a guy that used to work in a unit with a ton of females, they became my friends, my lovers, everything. I've seen some work so incredibly hard to get where they got. But I will say that the resentment is still so strong. You girls get spoiled every aspect of your military careers.
1. PT (Really 20+ minutes to run 2 miles?!)
2. Workload(Heavy Lifting?! Yea right)
3. Urinalysis(3 girls vs 30+ guys, guess who still gets a morning)
4. Discipline(It's amazing what girls get away with saying)
5. Lonliness on deployments(you get treated like GODS by Men)
6. Fun, similar to above(Our unit had 3 girls to date from, the 3 girls had 30+ guys)

Hello Mr. Spyshark...69!

It's funny...a lot of combat arms guys would call you lucky and try to reclass to your MOS, just to be with females. Others just have a really strong resentment. It's understandable...when I did ballet, I thought the guys who came out for it were sort of queer, or they'd do it just to see some ass. In the military, some guys will think you're either a bitch, a dyke, or a slut...or two of the three. Yeah, that does get annoying, but I see where it comes from. I've been accused on this forum of being a feminist, and maybe I was PMSing, but I did get a little pissed when Sizzlechest called SGT Hester a man, simply because I sensed a little Haterade in the form of sarcasm towards her. I imagined Sizzlechest as one of the guys that I used to work with that would say, "She probably just got it because she's a female." Maybe she did, but only the people in her squad know for sure. I've heard of guys getting valorous awards simply because of their rank...whatever. What really pissed me off more was the fact that people would attack others on the thread with Sizzle Chest's arguments, even though he's completely full of sh!t...you've read his posts right? So, before I get further off topic:
1. Yeah, it's a joke. I get a 330 average on the men's scale (17-21)...which is also a joke.
2. You have me beat there, but there's a "bull dyke" I roomed with that can bench 315...definitely an exception though
3. Yeah, I can't complain there, except pissing into a cup requires complete pants removal!
4 and 5 You begin to quickly realize their intentions...plus the majority that are quality, so it's like playing with fire...no thanks. Plus, the assumptions everyone makes when you and another guy are legitimately just friends...

Career-wise, being a female can actually hurt...it's rare, but there are some jobs that I simply can't take as a female, even though the branch authorizes women. I'm in the FA and could never be a company or battalion FSO...even though the job I'm doing requires me to go outside the wire with everyone else (I'm doing the S9/CA thing).





I am somewhat dissappointed in some of my fellow patriots not seeing the importance of this entire forum. We have not actually gone off topic. The topic is only partially about IRR. The other part is loyalty and service. I think everyone needs to understand that people see their duty in different terms. Some outstanding and well-groomed individuals - like myself - understand that our loyalty is to serve until my obligation is up, which means I must partake in the IRR. Other, not-outstanding and weak idividuals - like SpyShark69, Hugh G., Micheap, and LethalKris6 - understand that their loyalty is to run away as soon as the military stops holding them to daily accountability formations. As much as it hurts to stay ready to fight when all I want to do is rest, I know that my pride would never allow me to be considered a "billy no-mates." No, I will serve my IRR time, because I know George Washington would look down from above with approval, and maybe even a kirt nod.

Airborne Ranger, Guts and Danger!

Ha...hahaha! You're the biggest "Billy-no mates" on here, bud!

[ArmyBrave1]

Not at all likely any time in the foreseeable future. We have a ton of troops right now and are about to completely shut down Iraq. Most likely obama will not commit any more troops to Afghanistan and will probably start a drawdown there as well. We simply have way too many joes and janes right now and unless we get another war quick we will have to cut troop levels. The economy is still essentially in the toilet and recruiting is at an all time high. They don't even have to do visits, recruits are coming to THEM.


What if all of that suddenly evaporated overnight and in place is the draft card ? What happens with the IRR folks ? That is the question.

[MCGYVER]

The IRR will continue to be shit on by the DOD because that's their role and always has been. They are to be used at the convenience of the DOD and that's just that. They are simply a tool and will be used accordingly. The draft, if resurrected would be sn additional "tool" but wouldn't make the DOD throw away any of its current "tools".

[Michaep]

Throwing a hypothetical question out here ...

What if the draft started up tomorrow ? It is bound to happen sooner or later. It is just a matter of time.

Does this mean those who are on IRR will be able to go home once their tour of duty is over ?

If there was a draft...then why would they be letting people go?

WW3 starts and nobody is going anywhere, although we'll all be dead because of the weapons used in WW3 so no need to worry about it.....

[austinbri]

Guys -

This forum seems to have turned into a he-said she-said and that really sucks for someone like me looking for info...

So, I just need some general knowledge for people who have been there done that for IRR:

Just received my hard copy orders last night. Report to Jackson in January for medical MOB. I understand that I go down there for a period of no more than 25 days and could be told to go home if I'm not medically qualified. Honestly, I am qualified. No worries there. I would be amazed if I'm disqualified for any reason.

But that's where it gets hazy. The orders state that if I am medically qualified I will be placed on active duty for a period of no more than 400 days. There is a unit identified on the orders out of Nashville ( a TN National Guard Unit), but my question is 25+365=400...so does that mean there is likely to be no train-up in the US before deploying? Or a chance that the unit is already in country and I would be a replacement of some kind? I have zero problems honoring my commitment, but the vagueness is aggravating. Anyone have some ideas/pointers?

[mel44]

Austin I know absolutly nothing about his but I do know if your refering to the guard unit in Clarksville they got back last fall so it seems a bit early for them to be re-deploying again so soon for a guard unit but again its just a guess I really don't know anything about it. Could you call your recruiter?

[austinbri]

Austin I know absolutly nothing about his but I do know if your refering to the guard unit in Clarksville they got back last fall so it seems a bit early for them to be re-deploying again so soon for a guard unit but again its just a guess I really don't know anything about it. Could you call your recruiter?

Thanks Mel, but the unit on the orders is out of Nashville...who knows, it may even be incorrect...wouldn't surprise me. But I'm a 19K and the unit is an armored cav unit. Their website makes it appear as if they are deploying or have deployed recently...not sure. it also states in support of OIF.

[Variable Wind]

Austin I know absolutly nothing about his but I do know if your refering to the guard unit in Clarksville they got back last fall so it seems a bit early for them to be re-deploying again so soon for a guard unit but again its just a guess I really don't know anything about it. Could you call your recruiter?

Ignore that. First the recruiter is not his best source, IRR HQ would be. Secondly, NG units do not deploy as a whole state. The different individual units deploy as necessary.

I will say that the one IRR guy that our unit got when we were short staffed was processed quite swifly if it makes any difference.

[mel44]

Yep I believe thats the one in Clarksville, I know it is a CAV unit ( I drve by it every day). If I remmeber correctly they started coming home before we did like around September. But I could be wrong.

[austinbri]

Ignore that. First the recruiter is not his best source, IRR HQ would be. Secondly, NG units do not deploy as a whole state. The different individual units deploy as necessary.

I will say that the one IRR guy that our unit got when we were short staffed was processed quite swifly if it makes any difference.

Understood, and thanks for the advice. Just seems odd that if they were short or really needed someone that I wouldn't be reporting prior to Jan 31.

[SPCMark]

Austin,

I am an activated IRR soldier (originally 11B) and have just completed mobilization training and will be deploying to Iraq within a week. Like you, I was very confused when I received orders over the summer to report to Fort Benning, GA on July 26th, with less than 30 days notice. It has been and continues to be extremely difficult to obtain information on IRR policies and procedures, but I can at least give you an overview of what I've experienced up to this point.

First, concerning your orders - the only thing you need to pay attention to is your report date and location. The unit it lists as a gaining unit is most likely NOT the unit you will be assigned to. Upon completion of your in-processing you will receive new orders, which will specify your gaining unit as well as your new report date. The unit I was assigned to (Texas National Guard) was NOT the unit on my original orders. Also, do not let anyone at HRC St. Louis tell you that you're not eligible for BAH or BAS, like they tried to do to me, as it is simply not true.

The first thing you will do after arriving at your report station is your medical/dental screening. I knew I would pass this, and they push people through that probably shouldn't. I got the impression from the "drill sergeants" that a very small percentage of IRR recalls actually show up, so naturally they try to push everyone through, regardless of disability or injury. Having said that, some people were successful in failing the medical screening and would be going home...eventually. Some people spend 3-6 months waiting for a medical discharge, so it's most likely going to disrupt your life anyway.

Following the screening you begin admin in-processing, clothing issue, and warrior refresher training, which much like the screening, is all about checking the box. You conduct Soldier Readiness Processing (SRP) for the first of many times. All of this is supposed to run 2 weeks in length, and from there each MOS ships off to their individual AIT refreshers. For 11 series, you just do an additional 2 weeks at Fort Benning. Myself and the other infantry guys completed ALL training in 2 weeks flat (everything from weapons qual to sexual harrassment classes). We waited around an extra week before receiving new orders, which told us that we would be going to Fort Bliss to link up with the an Infantry unit that is part to the 72nd IBCT.

Upon arriving at Bliss on Aug 15th, we were told that our unit was already conducting their pre-deployment training, and would be deploying in mid-September. We would join up with them after receiving our TA-50/RFI and try to catch up training-wise. This turned out to be false. Not only was our unit not training, they had not even been mobilized yet. This we found very interesting - why recall soldiers without having a unit to attach them to? Again, the impression we got was that HRC is just extremely disorganized and the IRR system is broken.

After waiting around Bliss and dealing with the normal Army enlisted BS for a month and a half, our unit finally came on Title X (federal) orders Oct 1st. We've spent the past two months doing pre-deployment training with them in preparation for a deployment to Iraq.

Most of the issues regarding IRR soldiers are a mystery to not only the recalled soldier, but the gaining units and HRC itself. I even had someone call me from HRC St. Louis to ask how my IRR recall was going. I was grateful to finally have someone on the phone that could possibly answer some of my basic questions regarding REFRAD dates (my REFRAD is prior to the end of my unit's tour), promotions (we have to be promoted through the Reserve, NOT the gaining unit, although they are involved in the paperwork), and terminal leave (do we get it and who approves it). He was even more clueless than I was. It is not uncommon to receive different answers from different people at Reserve HRC on any given day.

I believe that the Army needs to do a much better job of communicating to IRR soldiers AND gaining units what to expect, as well as give them accurate information regarding policies and procedures. The FAQ on HRC regarding IRR recalls doesn't even begin to answer all of the questions, and HRC St. Louis seems to have NO idea of what is going on.

For me the decision to honor my recall was not a hard one, but not necessarily for the obvious reasons. I know that recruiters lied to me and many others regarding the IRR when specifically questioned about it (that never happens, that's in case of WWIII, etc), so I don't totally buy the contractual obligation argument. Why do the army values not apply to recruiters? My reasoning was more along the lines that I'd hate for someone else to have to go in my place. I've had buddies that have ignored the orders, though, and I can't say I blame them. It's a broken process at best, and a reaffirmation as to why I separated from the Army in the first place; I'll sign as many DD214s as it takes to be done with it.

Best advice I can give to you is to remain very flexible and patient. That and invest in a stamp with your name, date, and social on it...

[Pinkerton00]

To give you a bit of information on the IRR recall. Once you seperate the army tries to contact you in a variety of ways. Many people reply but my suggestion is not to. The basic rule of thumb is ignore ignore ignore. The IRR system is a very very very broken system. I have close family friends who've recieved IRR MOB orders for their son who was killed in 04. I spent some time working at BAMC and have actually seen IRR orders come down to a recently discharged amputee who was receiving medical treatment.

When it all comes down to it. Out of the huge IRR pool they don't care much about what shape you are in either physical, mentally, and or whatever your situation is like after you have seperated.

I've seen completely overweight IRR's when I was deployed to iraq. I'm talking 280 pound specialist who was barely 5 feet tall. However due to his qualifications as an engineer, I guess the HRC decided that the burden lay on the unit that inherited him.

Out of the 20 or so odd friends who seperated from my old unit. About 7 of us recieved "MUSTER" orders. Only 2 people showed up to the "200 dollar muster bribe". Both recieved MOB orders a month later. The 5 of us who ignored the muster all recieved a orders telling us to disregard the original muster and to have a nice life.

I rode out the rest of my IRR time in peace and quiet and am no longer within the armys grasp. Bottom line once you have your DD214 ignore ignore ignore. Do not respond to registered mail.

[Seasons]

To give you a bit of information on the IRR recall. Once you seperate the army tries to contact you in a variety of ways. Many people reply but my suggestion is not to. The basic rule of thumb is ignore ignore ignore. The IRR system is a very very very broken system. I have close family friends who've recieved IRR MOB orders for their son who was killed in 04. I spent some time working at BAMC and have actually seen IRR orders come down to a recently discharged amputee who was receiving medical treatment.

When it all comes down to it. Out of the huge IRR pool they don't care much about what shape you are in either physical, mentally, and or whatever your situation is like after you have seperated.

I've seen completely overweight IRR's when I was deployed to iraq. I'm talking 280 pound specialist who was barely 5 feet tall. However due to his qualifications as an engineer, I guess the HRC decided that the burden lay on the unit that inherited him.

Out of the 20 or so odd friends who seperated from my old unit. About 7 of us recieved "MUSTER" orders. Only 2 people showed up to the "200 dollar muster bribe". Both recieved MOB orders a month later. The 5 of us who ignored the muster all recieved a orders telling us to disregard the original muster and to have a nice life.

I rode out the rest of my IRR time in peace and quiet and am no longer within the armys grasp. Bottom line once you have your DD214 ignore ignore ignore. Do not respond to registered mail.

"Ignore ignore ignore". Him, that is.

If you feel good breaking your contract just cause you don't like it and feel like forcing someone else to take your place, go right ahead. Just don't expect any respect for your military "self-service".

[Armyof3]

"Ignore ignore ignore". Him, that is.

If you feel good breaking your contract just cause you don't like it and feel like forcing someone else to take your place, go right ahead. Just don't expect any respect for your military "self-service".

While I do agree that ignoring you duties is not the route to go... the army should fix the IRR before they try to use it instead of recruiting able bodies. Not everyone in th IRR is trying to sham out of service, a lot(not all) of them have legitament reasons for being out of the service.

I think the army should fix itself before insulting more vetrans with these muster orders.

[Pinkerton00]

these muster orders are dubious ploys to get the unsuspecting vet to mob. They hide this in the guise that its just to test your readiness. But from personal experience have seen quiet clearly they are actually a reach out to grab you in.

Its clear I avoided completing certain contract obligations. But after these insults to my intelligence of character with these muster orders and phony attempts to get in contact with me in the past and my fellow vets. I consider it my duty to give the army the middle finger for this sort of practice.

I dont expect a 20 year retiree or anyone who ended the hump before iraq to understand but having deployed 4x1 year deployments and 1x 15 month stint in less than 7 years has taken a serious toll on my body and my mind. I would definatly say I wouldnt be physically or mentally fit. And I saw quite a few young SPC/SGT's who have seen more than 3-4 deployments in their first enlistment. When you have 1SG or CSM who doesnt even have a combat patch. Definatly the war put the experience in the hands of the young soldiers. The middle and senior leadership embarking on their first combat experience ever.


And to make it worst I remember reading an ARMY TIMES article discussing that over 50 percent of the army hasnt ever deployed during the 8+ years these wars have been going on. Maybe its about time they rotated some of the guys hitting on 4+ deployments to the dirtbags that have been hiding behind a desk for the last 8 years. Instead of sending me a lie to fool me back in.

[Armyof3]

And to make it worst I remember reading an ARMY TIMES article discussing that over 50 percent of the army hasnt ever deployed during the 8+ years these wars have been going on. Maybe its about time they rotated some of the guys hitting on 4+ deployments to the dirtbags that have been hiding behind a desk for the last 8 years. Instead of sending me a lie to fool me back in.

If those ever were the numbers they have changed:
http://www.military.com/news/article/army-seeks-deployment-equality.html

93% have deployed and 7% haven't.

Still at ove 25,000 troops... i think they could give a few of the repeat vets a year off.

[Seasons]

While I do agree that ignoring you duties is not the route to go... the army should fix the IRR before they try to use it instead of recruiting able bodies. Not everyone in th IRR is trying to sham out of service, a lot(not all) of them have legitament reasons for being out of the service.

I think the army should fix itself before insulting more vetrans with these muster orders.

I won't argue they need to fix the system.


these muster orders are dubious ploys to get the unsuspecting vet to mob. They hide this in the guise that its just to test your readiness. But from personal experience have seen quiet clearly they are actually a reach out to grab you in.

Its clear I avoided completing certain contract obligations. But after these insults to my intelligence of character with these muster orders and phony attempts to get in contact with me in the past and my fellow vets. I consider it my duty to give the army the middle finger for this sort of practice.

I dont expect a 20 year retiree or anyone who ended the hump before iraq to understand but having deployed 4x1 year deployments and 1x 15 month stint in less than 7 years has taken a serious toll on my body and my mind. I would definatly say I wouldnt be physically or mentally fit. And I saw quite a few young SPC/SGT's who have seen more than 3-4 deployments in their first enlistment. When you have 1SG or CSM who doesnt even have a combat patch. Definatly the war put the experience in the hands of the young soldiers. The middle and senior leadership embarking on their first combat experience ever.


And to make it worst I remember reading an ARMY TIMES article discussing that over 50 percent of the army hasnt ever deployed during the 8+ years these wars have been going on. Maybe its about time they rotated some of the guys hitting on 4+ deployments to the dirtbags that have been hiding behind a desk for the last 8 years. Instead of sending me a lie to fool me back in.

Ploys? Lies? What conspiracy theory crawled up your ass and died? Keeping track of IRRs would be legitimate no matter how screwed up the rest of the system is. How else are they supposed to track numbers? In my opinion people who ignore certified mail muster orders ought to have their discharge orders changed to OTH or dishonorable, to reflect their apparent real service. Your service ends the day your IRR ends, not the day you get discharge papers. If you can't handle that possibility, don't join.

[bpetrangelo]

Got MOB orders and have to show up to Ft. Jackson in Jan. to go to Iraq. Question for me is, I had an annualr tear in my back in may, its now december 1st, i havent had any issues and im not going to put in a deferment. Would they send me back home when im going through SRP? My civilian doctor told me that he would tell AMEDD that I am capable of deploying. Any advice.? Oh and are they sending people home for being fat-asses cause I sure am one now? Im sure I can lose the weight but not 50-60 lbs in less than 60 days. Trying to find out what the deal is cause if they are going to send me home I want to register for the spring semester.

Plus could someone give me a heads up on how long the training is and if I get to come home for a couple days in between training completion and deployment date.

[med]

Just got my 2nd muster order within a 5 month period, I guess the Army wants to keep paying me to sit around for 20 minutes while telling them I don't want to join a reserve unit. Whatever. Does anyone know if there is really anything to this getting mustered and then recalled shortly thereafter rumor I’ve been hearing?

[ringjamesa]

I won't argue they need to fix the system.



Ploys? Lies? What conspiracy theory crawled up your ass and died? Keeping track of IRRs would be legitimate no matter how screwed up the rest of the system is. How else are they supposed to track numbers? In my opinion people who ignore certified mail muster orders ought to have their discharge orders changed to OTH or dishonorable, to reflect their apparent real service. Your service ends the day your IRR ends, not the day you get discharge papers. If you can't handle that possibility, don't join.

I only take issue with the line bolded...your service ends the day you get discharge papers because by definition, discharge is the end of service. If you are in the IRR, you have not been discharged you have been released.

[Seasons]

I only take issue with the line bolded...your service ends the day you get discharge papers because by definition, discharge is the end of service. If you are in the IRR, you have not been discharged you have been released.

My bad then. I suppose I understood the wording differently cause of all the people talking about the DD forms they have and claiming those "discharge papers" allowed them to get away with whatever caues they were already "honorably discharged".

[former31B]

For what it's worth, I received muster orders and attended about 5 months ago. Since then, I've heard nothing from the Army except the usual 10 emails/day that come from various "career counselors" talking about the Reserves. The career counselor that I had to see for muster actually did call just to make sure I received my pay, which I did but it was nice for him to make sure.

Now, I have about 4 months left in the IRR. I'm not really worried about a call up but whenever I see these rumors, I perk my ears to see what's going on. If it happens, it happens. I'm certainly not reaching out to be a part of the Army again though.

[ringjamesa]

My bad then. I suppose I understood the wording differently cause of all the people talking about the DD forms they have and claiming those "discharge papers" allowed them to get away with whatever caues they were already "honorably discharged".

Yeah. People think because the have a 214, they were discharged. They however are wrong. A 214 clearly states at the top; " CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY." If they have member copy 1...sure they could be confused (if they ignore block 6), but if they have the undeleted copy from the VA, MPF, ARMS, or member copy 4, they can read in block 23 whether they were released or discharged. Separation/Release and discharge are not always the same thing. You separate and are released if you have a remaining obligation. You are dischraged if you have no remaining obligation and don't go into the IRR. Officers can be in the IRR indefinately, Enlisted mentbers cannot.

[ra1]

A 214 clearly states at the top; " CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY." ... they can read in block 23 whether they were released or discharged. Separation/Release and discharge are not always the same thing. You separate and are released if you have a remaining obligation. You are dischraged if you have no remaining obligation and don't go into the IRR. Officers can be in the IRR indefinately, Enlisted mentbers cannot.

After completion of IRR (enlisted) obligation what paperwork is received? I've been completed for a couple months and haven't received anything. I was previously issued a DD214 "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY" - it was a "release" not discharge.

[anonymooose]

After completion of IRR (enlisted) obligation what paperwork is received? I've been completed for a couple months and haven't received anything. I was previously issued a DD214 "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY" - it was a "release" not discharge.

you can still get called in because your in the IRR.

you need to make an official request to get OUT of the IRR after your end of military service obligation and mail it certified to HRC.

you will get orders stating you are discharged from the IRR, and a discharge certificate indicating honorable (like me).

you need to log into HRC online, the my records portal and look at your orders. maybe they discharged you from the IRR and you dont know.

it is supposed to be automatic if you dont volunteer to stay in the IRR.

but nevertheless, just for safety reasons, the NEXT DAY after your MSO is up, get that certified request out to HRC requesting your discharge from the IRR. its for safety.

take charge of your own future. dont leave it in someone elses hands.



also if you were stop lossed at any time, dont forget to look at the HRC message for retroactive stop loss payments. it gets most people about $3000 bucks or more (500 per month).

[anonymooose]

Just got my 2nd muster order within a 5 month period, I guess the Army wants to keep paying me to sit around for 20 minutes while telling them I don't want to join a reserve unit. Whatever. Does anyone know if there is really anything to this getting mustered and then recalled shortly thereafter rumor I’ve been hearing?


i went to 3 musters.

its easy money thats for sure

200 bux for 2 hours? not bad! thats my rate.

just be polite and do what you gotta do.

remember not responding to muster orders is not participating in the IRR which can result in OTH etc.

[former31B]

i went to 3 musters.

its easy money thats for sure

200 bux for 2 hours? not bad! thats my rate.

just be polite and do what you gotta do.

remember not responding to muster orders is not participating in the IRR which can result in OTH etc.


I agree. I don't see any benefit in not going to a muster. The Army can still call you up either way so you may as well pass GO and collect the $200 on the way. Besides, it gives you the chance to get everything wrong with you on the record. If you later get recall orders, at least you can say in your appeal that all the issues have already been reported so the Army shouldn't be surprised when you show up with a PTSD claim and weighing 250 pounds. Of course, we all know the Army doesn't care about quality anymore and will deploy you regardless of how fat or messed up you are but that's a fight you are going to have irregardless of attending a muster.

[ringjamesa]

After completion of IRR (enlisted) obligation what paperwork is received? I've been completed for a couple months and haven't received anything. I was previously issued a DD214 "CERTIFICATE OF RELEASE OR DISCHARGE FROM ACTIVE DUTY" - it was a "release" not discharge.

Once your IRR obligation is terminated, you will recieve an order in the mail that states you have been honorabley discharged from the Individual Ready Reserve. Unless you have been in the participating reserve, it will probably look nothing like orders you are used to. Should be on letterhead and will only be a paragraph or two. Not very fancy. Sometimes they will also issue you a discharge certificate but not generally.

[anonymooose]

this is what the discharge cert looks like.

the orders tell you to return your gov ID (green card)... which i mailed certified mail also.

oh the cert has a DD form # on it (lower left) i didnt see it before!!

i put mine on the wall.

im glad HRC decided to send one to me, becuase i appreciate the extra cert.

so hats off to HRC, thankyou HRC!!! they did a good job for me in this area.

the only reason i sent the certified mail request for a discharge from the IRR is becuase i couldnt get through their phone system for 2 days...which is odd..


i am blahh3333 and u didnt even know it!!!

[ArmyBrave1]

Don't worry about what people say.

Be proud of your military service.

The military is not always about combat but helping people in times of distress etc.

Not too many people can honestly say they got to travel and see the world.

[Brokensoldier]

I as an Honorable Discharged soldier was told that even though it said eight years on my contract due to me have two slipped discs, three herniated discs and something the individual Master Sergeant couldn't understand having to do with C4 through C7 in my spinal cord I could no longer serve the Active Army, Army Reserves or Army National guard, yet I received a call as of thirty minutes ago from a Sergeant First Class stating that I had knowingly signed a Contract with the Army National Guard for three years. I got out of the Army as of 19th June. 2010. I was not contacted between that time and 26th of June 2010. Between the 15th of June and the 26th of June 2010 I called the number i was given everyday and received no reply. I left a phone voice mail message on the 24th of June 2010 and still I received no reply. Today The NCO that called me said I will be reported as AWOL if I do not report this Monday. I will make sure I report but I have only this to say,
If I were an able body soldier I would have fought this supposed war on Terror, although the terror resides in the homes of individuals who belong to a group I have recently heard about called Bohemian Grove where witch craft is practiced, Satanic sacrifices to their made up false idol, A giant Owl, a constant focus on the Occult is a current topic there and This war on terror as I have learned is actually a territory war where one individual who i will not name is angry because another individual whom I will not name would not join his club and he has been angry ever since and searching until the 08th of September 2001, for a reason to attack this individual in his own country using Another individual whom I will not name as a scapegoat. This individual who is the scapegoat has been dead for 9 years now but who are we to judge for we have seen no evidence of his death, no records, no pictures no nothing, supposedly, I have, but you have not. Nor will you ever for a while until they chose to show you. :target, but hey, I'm obligated to serve in a contract I did not know about, as i previously pointed out, and fight a big pretend war just to build up bodies for their live sacrifice to their false Idol which is something I am completely against in every single way, shape and form possible. So since I have to go and fight for these pompous rich pigs just for jiggles and giggles, I will be the shit bag you want me to be as much as possible, I will grow my hair out when i want to, cut it when I want to, shave when I feel like it, smoke marijuana as much as possible, only marijuana, :frusty deny as many orders as I can, fight as many NCO's and Non commissioned officers as I want, do not physical training, where as much "battle rattle" as I want, beat the shit out of every single irrated soldier who is scared senseless of the other NCO's :mmph and I will do all of this as the patriot that i am, because personally, I love my country, this is my country as I have been raised to understand, I love every single individual that walks this earth that calls himself or herself an citizen of the united states of AMERICA but I still despise the Illuminati and the New World Order, and for those of you who do not believe there is a New World Order, look up all of the President George W. Bush Sr.'s prior speeches, the original speeches on youtube or where ever you see fit and tell me he doesn't mention a New World Order as a matter of fact, show me where he doesn't mention it and I will find proof someway or somehow that he has said it and says it still to this day. This is my Country and I will fight to the tooth and nail for my country every single day that I can, every single moment that I can. And yes there is also terror in other countries but riddle me this Batmen, wouldn't you attack everyone who came into your home with Ill intent? Answer that for me. I would. I would wipe out every last one without a bat of an eyelash if a man or woman entered my home with Ill intent towards me or my Family members. :usa USA all the way, over and out.

Commander of the just screwing with you
Fleet,
Danny Lewis Jr.

P.S. There is an Illuminati and NWO though and they are watching you from the sky, look for the second big dipper.
Peace and prayers
Gods Fury Cassiel

[Brokensoldier]

Yes, They've done it to me. Except that It was a Master Sergeant Leslie Thurman who tricked me into joining the National guard by signing a job seeking form, that turned out to be a National guard form.