Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

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Has anyone on this thread been recalled to ad?

Almost everyone who showed up to lat muster and who will this year probably will be mobord for '08

[Unregistered]

Almost everyone who showed up to lat muster and who will this year probably will be mobord for '08

go wet your pants on the navytimes boards loser

[Unregistered]

Almost everyone who showed up to lat muster and who will this year probably will be mobord for '08

What are you trying to say? Is that English?

[Unregistered]

Muster. I didn't hear that word the whole 4 1/2 years I was on Active Duty. Kind of makes it feel like a Boy Scout meeting. The first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word MUSTER is the condiment mustard. Not yellow mustard though, but spicy mustard like Gulden’s. Is General Washington going to be at the muster? Maybe they'll throw Patton up there in front of a big-ass flag. I think the best course of action would be to get all the little kiddies who haven't fought, muster those silly little fucks up, staple some balls on 'em, and give them a big slap on the ass before they board some weird ass airline on their way to the desert. Or we could do the right thing and leave that shit whole country, Iraq, and let it destroy itself before anymore Americans get killed. Even now I fight to find meaning, but the sad truth is we are fighting a lost cause. If there ever was a cause…

note: Hit the SAP button on your television for Spanish.

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Muster. I didn't hear that word the whole 4 1/2 years I was on Active Duty. Kind of makes it feel like a Boy Scout meeting. The first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word MUSTER is the condiment mustard. Not yellow mustard though, but spicy mustard like Gulden’s. Is General Washington going to be at the muster? Maybe they'll throw Patton up there in front of a big-ass flag. I think the best course of action would be to get all the little kiddies who haven't fought, muster those silly little fucks up, staple some balls on 'em, and give them a big slap on the ass before they board some weird ass airline on their way to the desert. Or we could do the right thing and leave that shit whole country, Iraq, and let it destroy itself before anymore Americans get killed. Even now I fight to find meaning, but the sad truth is we are fighting a lost cause. If there ever was a cause…

note: Hit the SAP button on your television for Spanish.

leave iraq destroy itself.

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Muster. I didn't hear that word the whole 4 1/2 years I was on Active Duty. Kind of makes it feel like a Boy Scout meeting. The first thing that comes to mind when I hear the word MUSTER is the condiment mustard. Not yellow mustard though, but spicy mustard like Gulden’s. Is General Washington going to be at the muster? Maybe they'll throw Patton up there in front of a big-ass flag. I think the best course of action would be to get all the little kiddies who haven't fought, muster those silly little fucks up, staple some balls on 'em, and give them a big slap on the ass before they board some weird ass airline on their way to the desert. Or we could do the right thing and leave that shit whole country, Iraq, and let it destroy itself before anymore Americans get killed. Even now I fight to find meaning, but the sad truth is we are fighting a lost cause. If there ever was a cause…

note: Hit the SAP button on your television for Spanish.

Hands down the best comment I have read on here!

Signed: a 2 yr non combat vet - glad as hell to be out of the ARMY

[Unregistered]

Contact Michael Moore or sign up for the betrayed war veteran's club, whether or not you attend their prelude to a mobilization.
Your service is not enough. Your sacrifice is not enough. Your contract is toilet paper. You are not authorized to work professionally and provide a responible standard of life for your family.

[Unregistered]

Contact Michael Moore or sign up for the betrayed war veteran's club, whether or not you attend their prelude to a mobilization.
Your service is not enough. Your sacrifice is not enough. Your contract is toilet paper. You are not authorized to work professionally and provide a responible standard of life for your family.

It is a MUSTER!!! Nothing about be activated.

Air Force, Maries, and Navy have been doing it for years. Now all of the sudden we get 1 and everyone complains thinking its a callup. Shut The Fuck Up.

[Unregistered]

What are you trying to say? Is that English?

I thought about guys here to be smarter than that. All I am saying is that, everyone who I know went to the muster last year (yes, IRR was called in 06 for similar muster) were contacted with 3 months to report to their respective mobilization point. A few I know, did not report and God knows where they are now. I heard that those who did report were kept in barracks for a few weeks before deploying. I was called and got deferred (not exempt-as previous posts say) being a contractor at that time. My exemption is now in process based on several other grounds. I know all this because I received a few emails later from deployed friends. Not all the guys at mobpoint were deployed as there were a lot of conc.objectors, some intentionally committed acts to be thrown out etc..
If you guys believe it - great! I not, what am I going to loose? I just got this URL from one of my friend and thought about posting what I know. Good luck! I salute those who still want to go and server their country. Please go to muster, the country needs you. Do something for God and country! Amen!

[Unregistered]

I thought about guys here to be smarter than that. All I am saying is that, everyone who I know went to the muster last year (yes, IRR was called in 06 for similar muster) were contacted with 3 months to report to their respective mobilization point. A few I know, did not report and God knows where they are now. I heard that those who did report were kept in barracks for a few weeks before deploying. I was called and got deferred (not exempt-as previous posts say) being a contractor at that time. My exemption is now in process based on several other grounds. I know all this because I received a few emails later from deployed friends. Not all the guys at mobpoint were deployed as there were a lot of conc.objectors, some intentionally committed acts to be thrown out etc..
If you guys believe it - great! I not, what am I going to loose? I just got this URL from one of my friend and thought about posting what I know. Good luck! I salute those who still want to go and server their country. Please go to muster, the country needs you. Do something for God and country! Amen!


What URL? No proof again. Until people can back what thy say, Shut The Fuck Up. You have no idea whats going on. This is the first muster for the Army in many Years.

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What URL? No proof again. Until people can back what thy say, Shut The Fuck Up. You have no idea whats going on. This is the first muster for the Army in many Years.

There's no point in talking to you guys. THIS: http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=50053; the military times URL given by my buddy to post my experience. Good bye guys! I did a mistake to browse through and I won't come back. This is all crap! Proof - my a*s - go get trapped. The official word for htis is MOBTRAP.
FYI: I said "similar" muster, except that the "muster" terminology is introduced by Army this year.

[Unregistered]

It appears as if the USMC IRR recall was for SPECIFIC specialties.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=53679&archive=true



Does anyone know the MOS shortages the Army currently has?



Yea, You are all going to civil affairs. If you were infantary... you are now civil affairs. If you were a cook... you are now civil affairs. Say cheese!

[Loki]

Yea, You are all going to civil affairs. If you were infantary... you are now civil affairs. If you were a cook... you are now civil affairs. Say cheese!

what about truck drivers?

[Unregistered]

I thought about guys here to be smarter than that. All I am saying is that, everyone who I know went to the muster last year (yes, IRR was called in 06 for similar muster) were contacted with 3 months to report to their respective mobilization point. A few I know, did not report and God knows where they are now. I heard that those who did report were kept in barracks for a few weeks before deploying. I was called and got deferred (not exempt-as previous posts say) being a contractor at that time. My exemption is now in process based on several other grounds. I know all this because I received a few emails later from deployed friends. Not all the guys at mobpoint were deployed as there were a lot of conc.objectors, some intentionally committed acts to be thrown out etc..
If you guys believe it - great! I not, what am I going to loose? I just got this URL from one of my friend and thought about posting what I know. Good luck! I salute those who still want to go and server their country. Please go to muster, the country needs you. Do something for God and country! Amen!

what kind of contractor are you? did you just obtain the same job when you got out? i hope your exemption goes well but is it not taking a long time for you? you should tell us all of your experience in more detail. i find it interesting

[Unregistered]

For anyone who is close to being out like me. I have less than 7 months left in the IRR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Ready_Reserve#Callup_Authority_and_Acti vation

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates approved the recall of 1800 marines not in their first or last year of their IRR contract, 1200 of which will be Sergeants and Captains joining the I MEF in Iraq. Here broken down by MOS:
Aviation maintenance, 361
Logistics support, 225
Infantry, tanks and artillery, 223
Motor transport, 178
Communications, 97
Intelligence, 95
Military police, 21
They will be used for early rotation into a 2008 deployment. If more troops are needed, another recall could happen in July.[5

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For anyone who is close to being out like me. I have less than 7 months left in the IRR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Ready_Reserve#Callup_Authority_and_Acti vation

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates approved the recall of 1800 marines not in their first or last year of their IRR contract, 1200 of which will be Sergeants and Captains joining the I MEF in Iraq. Here broken down by MOS:
Aviation maintenance, 361
Logistics support, 225
Infantry, tanks and artillery, 223
Motor transport, 178
Communications, 97
Intelligence, 95
Military police, 21
They will be used for early rotation into a 2008 deployment. If more troops are needed, another recall could happen in July.[5

interesting read. thanks for the post! now we are getting somewhere.

[Unregistered]

After posting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Ready_Reserve#Callup_Authority_and_Acti vation , I came across this:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/REPOSITORY/706130352/0/FRONTPAGE

Not a prelude to an upcoming callup. While this can't be verified, If it is a prelude then the military is giving itself a bad name and more people will restrain from even join the military.

Call it what you will but If the numbers don't increase for recruitment, then they have to figure a better way of approaching it.

[Unregistered]

After posting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individual_Ready_Reserve#Callup_Authority_and_Acti vation , I came across this:

http://www.concordmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070613/REPOSITORY/706130352/0/FRONTPAGE

Not a prelude to an upcoming callup. While this can't be verified, If it is a prelude then the military is giving itself a bad name and more people will restrain from even join the military.

Call it what you will but If the numbers don't increase for recruitment, then they have to figure a better way of approaching it.


This is just a rewritten version of the Associated Press story in which the DOD lied about the scope of the muster, that it would only be 5,000 reservists. What incentive would they have to lie about that if they weren't lying about a mobilization? Where are they going to find enough fodder when they have 15-month deployments to sustain the surge? Why else would they decide to have a muster now, when recruitment has bottomed out and they need more boots on the ground? There won't be some massive recall, as they're trying to avoid media attention and congressional oversight. They'll recall a few dozen soldiers a day quietly and under the radar until they meet their end strength.
Contact Michael Moore. Contact Senators and Congressmen. Do not sit idly by and allow HRC to terrorize your children and threaten your livelihood.

[Unregistered]

This is just a rewritten version of the Associated Press story in which the DOD lied about the scope of the muster, that it would only be 5,000 reservists. What incentive would they have to lie about that if they weren't lying about a mobilization? Where are they going to find enough fodder when they have 15-month deployments to sustain the surge? Why else would they decide to have a muster now, when recruitment has bottomed out and they need more boots on the ground? There won't be some massive recall, as they're trying to avoid media attention and congressional oversight. They'll recall a few dozen soldiers a day quietly and under the radar until they meet their end strength.
Contact Michael Moore. Contact Senators and Congressmen. Do not sit idly by and allow HRC to terrorize your children and threaten your livelihood.

Why do people think contacting Michael Moore will do anything? Does anyone with power think he is credible?

He really made a difference in the world with Fahrenheit 911! Tomorrow we get free health care!

[Unregistered]

Michael Moore has no idea how to solve the problems of society nor does he have any political clout, but he can help here by calling attention to the issue. Professional reporters have scrupulous standards for accuracy, so the DOD can just lie, stonewall and get away with it. Moore plays fast and loose with the facts but distills everything into an easily digestible story--in this case, the army is betraying war veterans.

Someone needs to bring this skulduggery before the light of day. The mainstream media has failed to do any digging or even report on it, as evidenced by the same wire story in a few dozen papers.

They'd mobilize cripples if they could get away with it, as everyone knows. They don't care about you, your livelihood, your health, your academic pursuits, your wife, your children or your family. They will bend every regulation and breach every contract if someone doesn't do something. They will terrorize your children and deprive you or the means of paying off your mortgage.

[Unregistered]

I have a question for anyone who might have an answer. I looked on my AKO acct today and saw orders for a muster next month. I have not received ANY mail whatsoever, email, certified, regular or otherwise. The orders are listed in my OMPF and cannot be clicked on, therefore; I don't even know where to go, even if I wanted to. Until today, I didn't even know what a muster was...still don't..really...

Any insight would be helpful...

[Unregistered]

I have a question for anyone who might have an answer. I looked on my AKO acct today and saw orders for a muster next month. I have not received ANY mail whatsoever, email, certified, regular or otherwise. The orders are listed in my OMPF and cannot be clicked on, therefore; I don't even know where to go, even if I wanted to. Until today, I didn't even know what a muster was...still don't..really...

Any insight would be helpful...

I read about the muster on the internet, so I check my OMPF and saw the orders. I got them in the mail about 10 days later. Of course, if you don't get them, you don't know about it.

[Unregistered]

An IRR call-up is a certainty. They wouldn't waste millions of taxpayers dollars on this project if they didn't intend to utilize the IRR in the immediate future. If they found a cache of muskets in an armory somewhere, would they waste millions of taxpayer dollars cleaning them? They're not just doing some routine housekeeping.

You're not safe even if you avoid this. Either contact lawmakers and the media or prepare to never see your kids again when your wife decides to divorce you 13 months into your deployment.

[Unregistered]

An IRR call-up is a certainty. They wouldn't waste millions of taxpayers dollars on this project if they didn't intend to utilize the IRR in the immediate future. If they found a cache of muskets in an armory somewhere, would they waste millions of taxpayer dollars cleaning them? They're not just doing some routine housekeeping.

You're not safe even if you avoid this. Either contact lawmakers and the media or prepare to never see your kids again when your wife decides to divorce you 13 months into your deployment.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/2005-04-13/news/santiago-v-rumsfeld.php

You signed the contract, you are now legally a slave. Nobody cares about your service or sacrifice, least of all the army. Nobody cares about your bronze star or purple heart. You signed the contract, you are no longer an American citizen. Nobody cares that you're a "decorated war hero." You signed the contract; gitmo detainees enjoy more legal rights than you do. Suck it up and drive on.

[Unregistered]

The active duty is pretty much tapped out. September 07 deployments will be tough enough to find manpower for (they already robbed this cycle by accelerating the deployment of 4 brigades into the spring). March 08 deployments are all but impossible without several thousands of augmentees from IRR, Reserve and National Guard. Sen Hagel himself talked with several active-duty high-ranking Generals, and this past weekend basically said by March there will be no way to sustain the surge.

In fact, SecDef Gates just today was saying now that "15 month tours can't be guaranteed" anymore! So we have a broken force that is about to break down completely. I can't wait to see the recruitment/re-enlistment numbers in the coming months.

[Unregistered]

So we know that the Army lied about sending out only 5000 requests to IRR folks to attend a muster.

Their actual number is more like 30,000. The Army didn't want to cause panic. Same reason they're not publicizing their 2008 IRR Recall.

Remember that the Army has reported that, historically, only about 20% of recalled IRR troops actually make it overseas to AD after taking out no-shows, medical exemptions, delays, etc...

Hmmm... 20% of 30,000 is about 6,000 which is the number of IRR troops that Team Bush has recalled in the past.

So of the 30,000 requests sent out, you can be confident that the Army is looking to get 5,000 healthy IRR bodies to activly recall and rotate in to AD. Hence the 5,000 number presented to the media.

Don't freak out. But if you go to a muster, you'll have a good chance you'll be one of the recalls to Iraq.

Or would you believe some of the shrill posters on this site who rant and rave and swear at us saying this muster is just "business as usual?" Would the Army just spend money without a tangeable goal or outcome in mind? No.

Bottom Line: If you want to go to Iraq, then attend a muster. It's the fastest way to ensure you're one of the first new IRR troops sent overseas.

[Unregistered]

The house voted today in favor of troop withdrawl starting this spring and ending april 08 with everone home ... hopefully this is true,,, prob. not gonna happen,, but my fingers are crossed. last thing I want is a call up for me and you .... the one thing I do want is a bullet ....in you know whos head,,, that guy in DC you know who im talking about,,, he's crazy and his staff is just as crazy ,and MONEY HUNGRY!!

[Unregistered]

What URL? No proof again. Until people can back what thy say, Shut The Fuck Up. You have no idea whats going on. This is the first muster for the Army in many Years.

You could have just asked him/her to provide some evidence. Cursing makes you look juvenile and most people won't take your post seriously.

No one knows what will happen, its all speculation.

[Unregistered]

The house voted today in favor of troop withdrawl starting this spring and ending april 08 with everone home ... hopefully this is true,,, prob. not gonna happen,, but my fingers are crossed. last thing I want is a call up for me and you .... the one thing I do want is a bullet ....in you know whos head,,, that guy in DC you know who im talking about,,, he's crazy and his staff is just as crazy ,and MONEY HUNGRY!!

i don't think they have enough votes to get it pushed through.

[Concerned Citizen]

The house voted today in favor of troop withdrawl starting this spring and ending april 08 with everone home ... hopefully this is true,,, prob. not gonna happen,, but my fingers are crossed. last thing I want is a call up for me and you .... the one thing I do want is a bullet ....in you know whos head,,, that guy in DC you know who im talking about,,, he's crazy and his staff is just as crazy ,and MONEY HUNGRY!!


A bullet in Muqtada Al-Sadr's head would be best.

[Unregistered]

interesting read. thanks for the post! now we are getting somewhere.

First of all I think those numbers are from the USMC.

Anyways, It doesn't matter what your MOS is. No matter what they are retraining you for civil affairs. I was CHEMICAL and they recalled me. Do you really think there is much of a need for chemical soldiers. Hell no!

[Unregistered]

An IRR call-up is a certainty. They wouldn't waste millions of taxpayers dollars on this project if they didn't intend to utilize the IRR in the immediate future. If they found a cache of muskets in an armory somewhere, would they waste millions of taxpayer dollars cleaning them? They're not just doing some routine housekeeping.

You're not safe even if you avoid this. Either contact lawmakers and the media or prepare to never see your kids again when your wife decides to divorce you 13 months into your deployment.

I started to write letters to the newspapers and news channels. Next week I will try to contact my congressman. All I can say is raise awareness and contact your congressman. We don't know if you are going to get mob ord, but the media sure can shed some light on it so the public can see.

I have to admit there are some brilliant people on this blog whom I would like to work with one day, but others of you are so ignorant.

"Ignorance is a bliss."

[Unregistered]

Here is a way to deal with it. Think of IRR time as the same as being on parole. You were sentenced to 8 years and they let you out after 4 and now they have a GPS anklet on you for the next four years.

So to beat it, stay actuve for 8 years and then quit. You leave and the next day they have no claim on you.

Or the flip side -- shove yourself down their throat. Call and ask for a promotion, a school, a mission to Siberia. Make them hate you.

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First of all I think those numbers are from the USMC.

Anyways, It doesn't matter what your MOS is. No matter what they are retraining you for civil affairs. I was CHEMICAL and they recalled me. Do you really think there is much of a need for chemical soldiers. Hell no!

Well the whole reason I posted about the Recall was to show that people less than a year from out "DID NOT" get orders.

So if called you can fight along these lines. Try and read before you post.

[Unregistered]

People said that they can see the muster orders under the OMPF section on AKO, I got muster orders but they arent on my OMPF?? Anyone else have this?

[Unregistered]

Can you get call back to AD if you only have 60 or 90 days left on IRR? Is there a cut off?

[Unregistered]

An IRR call-up is a certainty. They wouldn't waste millions of taxpayers dollars on this project if they didn't intend to utilize the IRR in the immediate future. If they found a cache of muskets in an armory somewhere, would they waste millions of taxpayer dollars cleaning them? They're not just doing some routine housekeeping.

You're not safe even if you avoid this. Either contact lawmakers and the media or prepare to never see your kids again when your wife decides to divorce you 13 months into your deployment.

I agree. I have been following the IRR recall issue as well as the way ARMY HRC operates since 2004. I was called up from the IRR in 2004 and untill November 2006 was still in the ARMY.

From reading this blog It appears that there are alot of people with their heads in the sand. HRC does not care what MOS you have. They will reclass you for CA if you are an office and if enlisted, truck drivers and MP's are thier favorate. They simply dont care!

I got called up in 2004 because I called HRC to inquire about a promotion. I put myself on thier radar and 10 days after calling I was sent orders for a recall. Many who attend this Muster will suffer the same fate. HRC will have a record of those who attended and simply determine that since they were honorable enough to show up for this Muster they will be honorable enough to comply with MOB orders for a tour in the Sandbox. Will everyone who attends be sent orders? NO But if you actually think that the ARMY is going to spend alot of money and resources and get nothing in return, then maybe you deserve a tour for a reality check.

[Cpl Dan]

The active duty is pretty much tapped out. September 07 deployments will be tough enough to find manpower for (they already robbed this cycle by accelerating the deployment of 4 brigades into the spring). March 08 deployments are all but impossible without several thousands of augmentees from IRR, Reserve and National Guard. Sen Hagel himself talked with several active-duty high-ranking Generals, and this past weekend basically said by March there will be no way to sustain the surge.

In fact, SecDef Gates just today was saying now that "15 month tours can't be guaranteed" anymore! So we have a broken force that is about to break down completely. I can't wait to see the recruitment/re-enlistment numbers in the coming months.

I'm not sure that the 15 month tours will grind to a halt due to the lack of numbers but it would be nice to see. I do believe that this possible recall is due to the "surge". What I do not understand is the recalling of people that are already out while there are plenty of people in deployable units that stay back for whatever reasons.The army should get rid of this dead weight before calling people that have already served.

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I HRC does not care what MOS you have. They will reclass you for CA if you are an office and if enlisted, truck drivers and MP's are thier favorate.


Is this true? I realize that they have called up IRR Officers and retrained them into "Civil Affairs" - but what about enlisted soldiers? Would they really take an E4 trained as a radiology tech and morph him into a truck driver or MP?

[Unregistered]

Is this true? I realize that they have called up IRR Officers and retrained them into "Civil Affairs" - but what about enlisted soldiers? Would they really take an E4 trained as a radiology tech and morph him into a truck driver or MP?

sure why not!

[Unregistered]

Is this true? I realize that they have called up IRR Officers and retrained them into "Civil Affairs" - but what about enlisted soldiers? Would they really take an E4 trained as a radiology tech and morph him into a truck driver or MP?

Unlikely if your AMEDD. But if you are in an MOS that HRC has no need for at that time, then yes you can be re-classed for the needs of the ARMY. When I was called up I served as a 66H, med/surg nurse. That was my MOS, but I did witness many enlisted and a few officers get reclassed. This was 3 years ago so Im sure HRC is desperate at this point.

[ringjamesa]

To answer the questions asked about my last post, A VA rep should be at the muster because if you separated from AD, you are eligible for VA benifits and they want to make sure you are using what you earned. Medical is there just to give a brief survey. They should have their own room-Privacy Act and HIPPA. They don't give a physical although technically if you wanted one and they had the time, IRR members can get a PHA.
I think that a lot of people in this thread are confusing a Muster with a Mobilization. There are basically 3 ways you can be called up in the IRR; Muster; usually a couple of hours max Push-Pull exercise; approx 5-10 days and Mobilization; indefinate length of time. Someone said that the Army hasn't done a muster in years. If that were true, they would be violating DoD policy. I am sure that they have been it is just with the present situation, they are much more publicized. Also not every Army Post chooses to have a Muster every year so if you are located near a Post that chooses not to, you may never get called to a Muster but that doesn't mean that the Army didn't do one elsewhere.

[Unregistered]

To answer the questions asked about my last post, A VA rep should be at the muster because if you separated from AD, you are eligible for VA benifits and they want to make sure you are using what you earned. Medical is there just to give a brief survey. They should have their own room-Privacy Act and HIPPA. They don't give a physical although technically if you wanted one and they had the time, IRR members can get a PHA.
I think that a lot of people in this thread are confusing a Muster with a Mobilization. There are basically 3 ways you can be called up in the IRR; Muster; usually a couple of hours max Push-Pull exercise; approx 5-10 days and Mobilization; indefinate length of time. Someone said that the Army hasn't done a muster in years. If that were true, they would be violating DoD policy. I am sure that they have been it is just with the present situation, they are much more publicized. Also not every Army Post chooses to have a Muster every year so if you are located near a Post that chooses not to, you may never get called to a Muster but that doesn't mean that the Army didn't do one elsewhere.

thanks for the info. it is appreciated!

[Unregistered]

What's a push-pull exercise? There's no mention of that on the DD44 I signed.

[Unregistered]

Is this the next phase in Iraq:

"U.S. forces battled Iraqi police and gunmen Friday, killing six policemen, after an American raid captured a police lieutenant accused of leading an Iranian-backed militia cell, the military said."


http://www.mail.com/NewsArticle.aspx?catId=0&articleId=1135930&page=1&newssiteid=1

[Unregistered]

HMM check this out. Old but haven't heard anything to say it's not still happening

http://kipesquire.powerblogs.com/posts/1132345897.shtml

[Unregistered]

Alot of people on this thread have it right, what the army needs to do is go after the people that are always "rear D" because they are completely incompetant or the other that hide overseas that have almost 20 years in and no deployments to their record. My favorite was always some LEG SGM telling me how war is when he was never deployed and I was deployed twice. Sorry, I will miss this opportunity to be the outstanding soldier that I once was to keep my marriage and sanity intact. I already volunteered once you won't catch me doing it again.

[Unregistered]

Alot of people on this thread have it right, what the army needs to do is go after the people that are always "rear D" because they are completely incompetant or the other that hide overseas that have almost 20 years in and no deployments to their record. My favorite was always some LEG SGM telling me how war is when he was never deployed and I was deployed twice. Sorry, I will miss this opportunity to be the outstanding soldier that I once was to keep my marriage and sanity intact. I already volunteered once you won't catch me doing it again.

i agree with you but i am still going to the muster just so i don't get into trouble....then i will move and disappear!

[Unregistered]

i agree with you but i am still going to the muster just so i don't get into trouble....then i will move and disappear!

What kind of trouble? People are blowing off IRR recall orders by the hundreds maybe thousands. Last report was about 25 to 30% of recalls were reporting. Do you actually think you will be prosecuted for not attending. HRC is looking for bodies to feed Iraq not future UCMJ prosecutions!

[Unregistered]

What kind of trouble? People are blowing off IRR recall orders by the hundreds maybe thousands. Last report was about 25 to 30% of recalls were reporting. Do you actually think you will be prosecuted for not attending. HRC is looking for bodies to feed Iraq not future UCMJ prosecutions!

geez i was just kidding.JaJBMx

[Unregistered]

Bammm!! Check this out. A six Year event.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true

All of us are test run.

[Unregistered]

Anyone's Senator still standing with the Pres?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/07/13/us.iraq/index.html

"Two leading Republican senators say they will demand President Bush offer a plan to start reducing U.S. forces in Iraq by the end of the year."

[Unregistered]

OK enough is enough, either you signed a contract for 8 years or you didn't which is it? The muster is only for accountability, yes you may be briefed on the Army reserves however who here would like the opportunity to cut their MSO by 1/2? Or receive a mobilization deferment for up to 2 years? Or have the opportunity to continue service with a bonus, and lastly reclass to an MOS that you would like? If you are on here making an ass of yourself you probably are not what today's Army wants, once a cryin ass always a cryin ass. I would prefer to serve with soldiers who give a shit and do not feel they are entitled to something all of the time. Just take your time you served and live with it. I have been AD for 19 yrs so shut the hell up with the whinning. Further more if you really want to know the real deal with the Muster, call HRC St Louis 1-800-318-5298 Otherwise have a nice cup of Shut the Hell Up and be un informed.
SFC
AD

OK.....so after 4+ years and a small stop loss as an 11B2P82nd Airborne Infantry Paratrooper in the asshole of North America which they call 'North Carolina' I got out because I didn't want to spend the rest of my life living in Confederate southern shit holes Like North Carolina, South Carolina, Georgia, Texas, Louisiana and so forth. I didn't mind the deployments to Iraq and AssCrackastan as much as my state side time at Bragg, among the pathetic rednecks of the gladly dead traitorous confederacy. I don't hate the military and am not against the war in principle( I just wish we fight without our hands tied behind our backs) Anyway Too the point I received this stupid fucking Muster notice a few weeks ago and I'm pretty pissed off. If they are gonna call me back to send me over seas I'll go, I'd rather finish school in NYC, but I would go, I swore to do so. But I never swore to do some stupid ass 'annual Muster' where I be poked and prodded by some fat fucking reservist P.O.G.U.E. who's never been outside the wire if he's even ever deployed at all. This is bullshit what is the difference anyway all this to update records!?!?!?!?! Can't they just do that over the fucking phone as I have ten times in the years since I got out? I mean fuck....If people are not going to bother taking the IRR's calls and update there records they sure as fuck are not going to show up to some weekend 'muster duty' they didn't sign up for. Then they are paying people almost two hundred dollars for this thing!!!! What a colossal waste of our tax money. I mean, what the fuck do these people think has changed in my military background or on my DD214 in year I have spent in Now York City as a civilian since I left active duty? This whole thing is just stupid, yes I singed a contract after two years and combat AS A GRUNT in both OIF and OEF and I will go right back if the 'mobilize' me that is what I signed two do. But I did NOT sign up to do some 'annual training' bullshit, I did NOT sign up to waste my fucking weekends and only days off too show some fat fuck my DD214 and my teeth which that my worthless Platoon Sergeant wouldn’t let me get work done too while I was sitting around the company area 12 hours a day at Braggistan. I they wanna call me back fine. But, just don't waste my fucking time I have here with bullshit musters that serve no fucking purpose whatsoever. I can fax a copy of my DD214 and dental records no need to waste my Saturday study time for that. As far as the getting a physical ....considering the fact the most reservist, especially the medical ones, I've seen are grotesquely over weight and along with the fact that the Army senior Officers and worthless ass 'Command Sergeant Majors'( is there any job more useless than the CSM?) are getting just as bad, it's pretty much a joke to ask my to do a physical! I'm in better shape than any off those fucks, and lets face it they are gonna take you if they want you no matter what is wrong with you, unless you were med boarded. So what is the point in all of this anyway, just to piss away our time and tax money? Perhaps the could put that money to better use at Walter Read where are wounded brothers are. Leave it to another dumb fucking support channel E-7 too spout total non-sense.

J. Tzimisces E-5 paratrooper esq.

[Unregistered]

Raise awareness through the media and your friends. Contact your Congressmen and let them know what up. I'm sure the public would love to know how their veterans are treated even if its "just a muster."

[BJM]

Reading the posts to this article, I think a lot of people are in the same boat I'm in. No one knows what's going on , but none of us trusts the Army any further than we could throw it. Of course, this is with good reason, the half-truths, out right lies, and continually changing "plans" have done more damage to the Army than all the General McClellans or Les Aspins of the world could do intentionally.

I am curious though, has anyone thought to e-mail HRC, or some one in charge and asked them what's going on? I'm not saying anyone should be impolite, or insubordinate, but very frank and firm: we have these orders, is the the prelude to a mobilization, or not?

I doubt we would get a response, or if we did, it would be something to the effect of "it's just a what your orders say." It would at the very least, be something constructive to do, opposed to the current plan of whining. While it got me through Korea, and was sort of fun, it doesn't actually do anything.

The reality is if mobilization orders are sent out, most of us will be angry but still comply. I've noticed that "unregistered" is a real bad ass, but it's real easy to be a bad-ass with message board anonymity.

I would just like an official explanation or two before I get worked up over something that hasn't happened yet.

Although, to be fair, I'm not going to hold my breath.
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[Unregistered]

So we know that the Army lied about sending out only 5000 requests to IRR folks to attend a muster.

Their actual number is more like 30,000. The Army didn't want to cause panic. Same reason they're not publicizing their 2008 IRR Recall.

Remember that the Army has reported that, historically, only about 20% of recalled IRR troops actually make it overseas to AD after taking out no-shows, medical exemptions, delays, etc...

Hmmm... 20% of 30,000 is about 6,000 which is the number of IRR troops that Team Bush has recalled in the past.

So of the 30,000 requests sent out, you can be confident that the Army is looking to get 5,000 healthy IRR bodies to activly recall and rotate in to AD. Hence the 5,000 number presented to the media.

Don't freak out. But if you go to a muster, you'll have a good chance you'll be one of the recalls to Iraq.

Or would you believe some of the shrill posters on this site who rant and rave and swear at us saying this muster is just "business as usual?" Would the Army just spend money without a tangeable goal or outcome in mind? No.

Bottom Line: If you want to go to Iraq, then attend a muster. It's the fastest way to ensure you're one of the first new IRR troops sent overseas.


Wrong on all points here. If you attend the muster and sign for a reserve unit, you receive a 24-month deferrement from deploying, therefore the muster is not for a mobilization preparation. There is no trend to follow on which MOSs were called for the muster. The MOSs were picked randomly. Don't show up to the IRR muster or call HRC on your orders to be exempted. If you do show up and don't like what you see with the briefings, please exit the back door and don't pass go and collect your $176.00.

[Unregistered]

Wrong on all points here. If you attend the muster and sign for a reserve unit, you receive a 24-month deferrement from deploying, therefore the muster is not for a mobilization preparation. There is no trend to follow on which MOSs were called for the muster. The MOSs were picked randomly. Don't show up to the IRR muster or call HRC on your orders to be exempted. If you do show up and don't like what you see with the briefings, please exit the back door and don't pass go and collect your $176.00.

How can the Army Reserve or Guard guarantee that deferrment from deploying? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but hasn't time and experience shown us that EVERYTHING is subject to "needs of the Army?" Let's say you get that deferrment in writing. Who guarantees it? Who enforces it? Writing didn't matter for ETS dates thanks to stop-loss. 8 years MSO didn't matter for IRR/stop-lossed and stop-lossed IRR. Who here believes that the Guard or Reserves can afford to have a soldier on their rolls who won't deploy? I realize it's a possibility, i.e. Rear-D, but NOT a guarantee.

[Unregistered]

Here are the latest posts from another website regarding the muster....take it for what you think it is worth.


Finally heard back from the retention NCO at the site where I'm to muster. It's a 1-hour appointment during which records/contact information will be updated if need be, a video on the IRR will be shown (the NCO hadn't seen it yet) and we'd be given a briefing on the Reserves (i.e., the "hard sell"). There's no medical or dental component to this muster, but they do want you to bring a voided check so you can get that big money for the day as well as the Individual Warrior Screening Portal certificate if you've finished that online.

Posted by: waiting | July 13, 2007 at 04:27 PM


Sounds very fishy. They pay you $168 (I think) for an hour's work? And you still have to give your bank account info? Plus all your personal and employer info? I dunno... I kind of think they're going to want something for their money. They always do.

Essentially it sounds just like all the stuff we've already talked about. They'll give you the hard sell, take all your most personal and financial information, and then send you on your way...until they call back for Iraq.

So if you've already served your time, choose wisely about this muster.

Posted by: Steve | July 13, 2007 at 05:29 PM


I think they will tag the ones that show to the Musters with MOB Orders. HRC will always take the easy way out. They get a list of people that followed an Order to attend the Muster then they have a good idea that the same list will comply with Orders to Iraq or Asscrakistain. Simple as that!

Posted by: OutNow | July 13, 2007 at 05:38 PM

[Unregistered]

Does anyone's DD-214 state in the remarks section (Section 18), something to the effect of:

"....subject to computer matching within DoD or with other federal agencies for verification purposes and determining eligibility or compliance for federal benefits. Subject to active duty recall, MUSTER DUTY and/or annual screening."

[Unregistered]

Guys, I have learned the USAR/USAREC/HRC people will try to tell the E-5 and below IRR soldiers that they will be promoted to placate them or encourage them about being recalled/MOB. Do not believe it. An infantry SPC with Ranger Battalion combat experience who was recalled just this past Feb/Mar hasn't been promoted, so imagine how those with 'less' combat credentials will fair.

Dated 01 JULY 07

"You see...when me and a few dedicated individuals were activated as part of the Individual Ready Reserve (free agent list), we were informed of some very limited benefits that we were afforded as part of the call to duty....and by limited I mean one..... This benefit being that us E-4's and E-5's were to be promoted, provided the appropriate paperwork was submitted and certain standards were met....Now for the joke...The "Clown Shoes" submitted this paperwork back in March....And my promotion was approved and was to be awarded Apr.1.... Well....Apr 1 comes and goes...promotions happen....none of which are any of us from the IRR..A few weeks go by...a few more promotions...none for IRR....I began to wonder what was going on seeing as it was approved a month ago.....I inquire and am told that the paperwork work was submitted to the wrong place and that they needed to resubmit it.... This left me to wonder who approved said promotion if the paperwork was submitted to the wrong place....Alright...Continuing on....I am later told that the paperwork required has changed since we were told in February, and that they knew the required paperwork and would take the required steps to have in completed and submitted...We are entering May and while there are promotions happening....none however are for us IRR soldiers....I began questioning some more and finally..one of the clown shoes comes forth and says....we know what you guys need for promotion but we need you to call on your own and find out, then tell me so we can get it started....hmm...the joke continues...I call the good people in the know and they tell me the same things we were told in February....so...here we are right where we started...we write down everything needed...the proper paperwork is filled out....Signed....and what i thought was submitted...That was Early June.... It is now July 1st....still no promotion....I suppose the joke continues....."

The above quoted post was from SPC Jacob Sidwa

[Unregistered]

I was mobilized in December 2005. I was supposed to get out June 2007 but I was one of the 20,000 extended for a year. So by June 2008 I will need to be replaced. So go to your muster.

Or you can do whit this guy did. http://wcbstv.com/topstories/local_story_194162807.html

[Unregistered]

Wrong on all points here. If you attend the muster and sign for a reserve unit, you receive a 24-month deferrement from deploying, therefore the muster is not for a mobilization preparation. There is no trend to follow on which MOSs were called for the muster. The MOSs were picked randomly. Don't show up to the IRR muster or call HRC on your orders to be exempted. If you do show up and don't like what you see with the briefings, please exit the back door and don't pass go and collect your $176.00.

Don't listen to PFC Beavis above. You can tell he's either lying or a recruitor (well, probably both - but isn't that redundant?) when he says you get a 24 month deferment from deploying by signing up for a reserve unit. Everything is subject to the needs of the Army. Everything. Everybody knows that. And just today on the news a general said they've run out of AD troops to deploy come early 2008. So you do the math...

And are we really supposed to think this $176 is free money? The Army will want something for it...
Like all your personal info, employer info, bank account, etc so they can get a "better handle" on the IRR.

The reason the Army hasn't gotten tough on the IRR until now is because the system is a mess. Folks like Beavis here have a hard enough time learning how to tie their shoelaces. Do you actually want to give your personal info to him so your future is now in his hands?

And so they're trying to fix their IRR system by paying everyone $176 to get all this personal info. Hmm...why would they want to get your personal info and to fix the IRR system. Oh wait, I know. It's to recall IRR folks in 2008...

Ignore Beavis. Don't show up to these recruiters. If it's so important, let these REMFs go to the front line instead.

[Unregistered]

You guys are doing nothing but freaking yourselves over nothing.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true

Over the next Six years Army is trying to reform the IRR. Everything everyone is saying in here is just "speculation" with all the pressure on Bush from Congress, he can't afford to make anymore mistakes. If you want to freak yourselves out over nothing, then by all means do so. But coming on here and saying this is whats going to happen is totally wrong.

The military is spending this money now to fix the IRR because in the long run it will save the most money.

Even if you get mob. orders, there is too many ways of getting out of it. So before you freak out about it, wait and see what happens. Your putting false information in others heads freaking them out.

Read the article over and over again before you post about things you don't know.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true

[Unregistered]

How can the Army Reserve or Guard guarantee that deferrment from deploying? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but hasn't time and experience shown us that EVERYTHING is subject to "needs of the Army?" Let's say you get that deferrment in writing. Who guarantees it? Who enforces it? Writing didn't matter for ETS dates thanks to stop-loss. 8 years MSO didn't matter for IRR/stop-lossed and stop-lossed IRR. Who here believes that the Guard or Reserves can afford to have a soldier on their rolls who won't deploy? I realize it's a possibility, i.e. Rear-D, but NOT a guarantee.

Good point. The soldiers jumping on this are in for a surprize when their units are alerted for deployment. Big Army is alerting guard and reserve units sometimes up to 9 months in advance for Mobilizations. That freezes all soldiers who would have normally ETS. Like pointed out above the Army has an out built into every contract- "the needs of the Army".

The Army is not going to give you something and not expect nothing in return. Just like with the Musters.

[Unregistered]

You guys are doing nothing but freaking yourselves over nothing.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true

Over the next Six years Army is trying to reform the IRR. Everything everyone is saying in here is just "speculation" with all the pressure on Bush from Congress, he can't afford to make anymore mistakes. If you want to freak yourselves out over nothing, then by all means do so. But coming on here and saying this is whats going to happen is totally wrong.

The military is spending this money now to fix the IRR because in the long run it will save the most money.

Even if you get mob. orders, there is too many ways of getting out of it. So before you freak out about it, wait and see what happens. Your putting false information in others heads freaking them out.

Read the article over and over again before you post about things you don't know.

http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true
http://stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=54621&archive=true


Wow, check out the recruiter. Um. sorry hoss. There is no speculation. We've heard from SecDef Gates that there won't be enough AD folks in 2008. Where do we think the bodies will come from? Hmm...oh yeah, the IRR.

And the IRR system has been broken.

Actually, it seems you're the one who should read your own articles. In the first one you posted:

*****
The cracks in the IRR system were exposed after January 2004, when Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized the Army to tap the IRR to fill out units bound for Iraq.

The call-up has not been smooth sailing, Gall said. “We have a call rate of four to one."
*****

It goes on to say:

*****
“The IRR pool is not in the kind of shape we would like it to be,” Gall said. “We’re trying to assure [ourselves] that we do have soldiers that are ready and willing to serve the country.”
*****

So by the Army's own words (and proving everyone's point here), the IRR system is broken. And the Army is paying folks a few bucks to update the system with personal information just so they can get a handle on the IRR folks to "serve the country" "to fill out units bound for Iraq."

Thanks for proving our point. You're a great little blog warrior.

Oh, and there are very few ways of getting out of MOB orders. Very few. Check out this guy who is having to to go court to not be deployed a 5th time!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Reservist_5th_Deployment.html

And we've all seen other folks get denied or have to go to court to try to get out of MOB orders. Doesn't happen.

Plus you say Bush can't make any mistakes? Are you insane? Have you never read a newspaper? He's a lame duck who's going to run out the clock. His coup d'etat over the legal system with Libby, his denials of allowing his staff to talk about their leaking of a CIA agent's identify (during a time of war no less), etc...

He doesn't care what anyone thinks and makes mistakes all the time. And he's not up for reelection. The GOP knows they're too late and hosed for 2008. So he doesn't care. He's going to do what he wants.

Speaking of links, check out this guy who went overseas only to get shot by a 50 cal. His leg is swiss cheese, but he's been denied a purple heart because the Army says the fire was friendly.

http://shns.abc15.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=PURPLEHEART-01-05-07&cat=WW.com

So yeah, if you want any part of this mess, by all means go to a muster... Maybe you'll please one of these recuiters or help them meet their quota...

[Unregistered]

Wow, check out the recruiter. Um. sorry hoss. There is no speculation. We've heard from SecDef Gates that there won't be enough AD folks in 2008. Where do we think the bodies will come from? Hmm...oh yeah, the IRR.

And the IRR system has been broken.

Actually, it seems you're the one who should read your own articles. In the first one you posted:

*****
The cracks in the IRR system were exposed after January 2004, when Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized the Army to tap the IRR to fill out units bound for Iraq.

The call-up has not been smooth sailing, Gall said. “We have a call rate of four to one."
*****

It goes on to say:

*****
“The IRR pool is not in the kind of shape we would like it to be,” Gall said. “We’re trying to assure [ourselves] that we do have soldiers that are ready and willing to serve the country.”
*****

So by the Army's own words (and proving everyone's point here), the IRR system is broken. And the Army is paying folks a few bucks to update the system with personal information just so they can get a handle on the IRR folks to "serve the country" "to fill out units bound for Iraq."

Thanks for proving our point. You're a great little blog warrior.

Oh, and there are very few ways of getting out of MOB orders. Very few. Check out this guy who is having to to go court to not be deployed a 5th time!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Reservist_5th_Deployment.html

And we've all seen other folks get denied or have to go to court to try to get out of MOB orders. Doesn't happen.

Plus you say Bush can't make any mistakes? Are you insane? Have you never read a newspaper? He's a lame duck who's going to run out the clock. His coup d'etat over the legal system with Libby, his denials of allowing his staff to talk about their leaking of a CIA agent's identify (during a time of war no less), etc...

He doesn't care what anyone thinks and makes mistakes all the time. And he's not up for reelection. The GOP knows they're too late and hosed for 2008. So he doesn't care. He's going to do what he wants.

Speaking of links, check out this guy who went overseas only to get shot by a 50 cal. His leg is swiss cheese, but he's been denied a purple heart because the Army says the fire was friendly.

http://shns.abc15.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=PURPLEHEART-01-05-07&cat=WW.com

So yeah, if you want any part of this mess, by all means go to a muster... Maybe you'll please one of these recuiters or help them meet their quota...


Right on, dude. Tell it!

ANd don't forgoet to remember so many of our VA claims are being denied, everything with Walter Reed, you'll probably be stoplossed and kept past your 8 years, you won't get the equipment or training you need, you'll be reclassed to CA or MP, etc...

Okay, now who wants to be the last one out of Hanoi?

You?

[Unregistered]

How can the Army Reserve or Guard guarantee that deferrment from deploying? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but hasn't time and experience shown us that EVERYTHING is subject to "needs of the Army?" Let's say you get that deferrment in writing. Who guarantees it? Who enforces it? Writing didn't matter for ETS dates thanks to stop-loss. 8 years MSO didn't matter for IRR/stop-lossed and stop-lossed IRR. Who here believes that the Guard or Reserves can afford to have a soldier on their rolls who won't deploy? I realize it's a possibility, i.e. Rear-D, but NOT a guarantee.

i think your congressmen guarentees it because only certain states have the two year stabilization.

[Unregistered]

i think your congressmen guarentees it because only certain states have the two year stabilization.

Nope. No guarantee for stabilization. It's all to do with the needs of the Army. And don't "think" next time, chief. "Know." And everybody knows this. This poster is lying and probably a recuiter...

[Unregistered]

wow i go out of town for couple of weeks and this thread has almost 600 replies! WOW! so has anyone gone to the muster yet or are the barracks lawyers still out and about here?

[!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

I have already contacted the number that was on the MUSTER ORDER and scheduled for 15 JUL 07 which is tomorrow. But i just found this web and read almost every comments. Guess what? I was so stupid to belive what the Army announced.

Anyone give my some advice since i'm so stupid to contact that number. Should I sill go to the MUSTER? or ignor it even though I already scheduled it?

I can't believe that I'm so stupid to trust what the Army announced. BECAUSE I WAS THE ONE WHO GOT STOPLOSS WHILE IN ACTIVE DUTY!!!!!

[Unregistered]

Go and post what happens.

[!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!]

HAhahahahaaha

Ok. I will attend and post what happened :)

But If i get recalled, you should send me some candies :)

[Unregistered]

HAhahahahaaha

Ok. I will attend and post what happened :)

But If i get recalled, you should send me some candies :)

i'll send you a crate of cigs so you can sell them. just kidding man! anyways please post what happened on the board. there are alot of curious minds out there and remember say NO!

[Bo Shin,E-5,OIF 05~06]

i'll send you a crate of cigs so you can sell them. just kidding man! anyways please post what happened on the board. there are alot of curious minds out there and remember say NO!


:) I got you. I'm very curious too.

I will post a comment right after i get back from MUSTER. If you guys don't see me........... remember a crate of cigs hahahahah

[Unregistered]

Shin, were you in Scouts, 2-327 INF? You sound familiar.

[Bo Shin,E-5,OIF 05~06]

Shin, were you in Scouts, 2-327 INF? You sound familiar.


Haha :) No, i wasn't. But It is nice to hear that there is another SHIN as a Scout!!!!!

I always wanted to be a scout kekeke :)

[Unregistered]

my friend attended todays muster(14 july 07) at los alamitos. i talked to him breifly over the phone and what was suppose to be 2 hours turned into 6 hours and 30 minutes yes he was there from 7 30 to 2 pm. What he basically told me was that it was like an SRP. they had national guardsmen going through it at the same time. funny he said for the guardmens they called it SRP, for the IRR they called it MUSTER. he was there for a long time despite having priority over every section over the national guard. i am going to tommorows muster i will post my expierence.
oh yea FTA

[Unregistered]

my friend attended todays muster(14 july 07) at los alamitos. i talked to him breifly over the phone and what was suppose to be 2 hours turned into 6 hours and 30 minutes yes he was there from 7 30 to 2 pm. What he basically told me was that it was like an SRP. they had national guardsmen going through it at the same time. funny he said for the guardmens they called it SRP, for the IRR they called it MUSTER. he was there for a long time despite having priority over every section over the national guard. i am going to tommorows muster i will post my expierence.
oh yea FTA

did your friend say anything about them talking about the one and two year stabalizations? or did they even bother to ask him? and did he say anything about the way they went about processing people through?I am reffering to that check list I saw on another part of this discussion or was it like anything else military ran, F U B A R'ed!?

[2 year iraq vet in IRR]

im going to this @#@ thing this friday.

ill let u people know how it goes.


and if i go there and they give me mob orders and start laughing im gonna come back here and lie to all u idiots so u all get to go there too and get them.

hahahaha :p

no seriously ill let u all know how it goes this friday.

if its an SRP then im gonna start packing my bags.

:(

isnt 2 years in iraq enough for me???

why do i have to do 3 years??

i read that other post about some idiot taking the army to court to bar his "5th" deployment"..

wow 5 deployments to iraq!! doesnt that sound impressive?

if u goto the article all his little 5 deployments add upto about 1 year in length..

guess what sparky i got you beat by 1 year ( 2 deployments)

tell that guy to shuddup and go do a full year.

since when does 15 days count as a deployment lol

who the hell gets deployed for 15 days?? what did he fall down in kuwait and get air lifted out?

lol

5 deployments my ass...... he only did 1 year.

i am not impressed.

how about the boys doing their 3rd year this comming septemeber??

thats right their 3rd year!!!

maybe this march ill be in that group too.

cheers

[Unregistered]

my friend attended todays muster(14 july 07) at los alamitos. i talked to him breifly over the phone and what was suppose to be 2 hours turned into 6 hours and 30 minutes yes he was there from 7 30 to 2 pm. What he basically told me was that it was like an SRP. they had national guardsmen going through it at the same time. funny he said for the guardmens they called it SRP, for the IRR they called it MUSTER. he was there for a long time despite having priority over every section over the national guard. i am going to tommorows muster i will post my expierence.
oh yea FTA

i actually have to admit that this is bullshit. 6 + hours is not good. and for crying out loud if they are gonna do an SRP for the NG then they should do that on there time not ours ! i have a funny feeling i am going to argue with someone at my muster date!

[Unregistered]

6 hours! something isn't right. i'm not going! hehehehe

[Unregistered]

Guys, as fed up as I am with those servicemembers who haven't deployed, and just out of pride, those who haven't been overseas as much as us, we have to remember, for whatever circumstances (Special Forces, DRB, extended tour, stop-loss, lifer) there's ALWAYS someone who's done more. Our anger/energy should not be directed toward the people who wear a uniform (well, maybe the 'useless' brass and CSMs who rack up money while making sure all is "squared away" on the Forward Operating GARRISON) but rather at those who refuse to serve. For the little bit of crap I gave the new guys, they're serving. We get back from deployment and on the TV there's 'My Super Sweet Sixteen' which made me want to go cyclic with my 240 on that gagglef--k. Too much is being expected, nay demanded, of way too few.

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my friend attended todays muster(14 july 07) at los alamitos. i talked to him breifly over the phone and what was suppose to be 2 hours turned into 6 hours and 30 minutes yes he was there from 7 30 to 2 pm. What he basically told me was that it was like an SRP. they had national guardsmen going through it at the same time. funny he said for the guardmens they called it SRP, for the IRR they called it MUSTER. he was there for a long time despite having priority over every section over the national guard. i am going to tommorows muster i will post my expierence.
oh yea FTA

For all the people who said the muster would only take 2 hours, when during you entire time in the Army, has the Army ever cared about your time or done anything efficiently? Never, right? So, why did you think the muster would be any different?

[Unregistered]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070710/pl_nm/usa_military_recruits_dc_1

What happens at the muster is not important.

What's important is what they decide to do with your updated data. What's important is that they're plotting a backdoor draft.

The surge requires 30,000 more boots on the ground, and the army has missed even its "market-adjusted" recruitment targets for two months running. The army needs to find soldiers somewhere--that's why it's imperative that fix the IRR right now.

They are plotting a backdoor draft. At the muster, you fill out a questionnaire gauging your deployability readiness.

They spit on your service and will send you back for a second or third time.

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Ok im the same guy that said I was gonna post my expirence as i already posted about my friends expierence yesterday. I went today 15 jul 07 over at Los alamitos. To clarify the packet they sent you actually says the muster might take 2 hours to a day, as the first thing i did when i got there was complain and was proven wrong read your packet. You get there with HRC ST LIOUS will be there to brief you on the days event. the whole thing started about 730 the earliest someone left was 1050 verfied by the final outprocessing NCO. There are many sections to this muster, and there are no particular order that you do them in. I will tell you them in the order i did it with.

- Sign in

- Personel to update your info

- Security Clearance section to see if yours is still any good(the guy just signed off on mines since i do not have one)

-Retention(they basically tell you your options, kinda similar to the retention portion when you ETS.) They will try to just tell you what your options are, and say some type of scare tactic.

-Watch a 13 minute IRR Video

-Medical 1- consist of immunizations, HIV draw, and dental.and a hearing test(they will have your medpros printout there hopefully so you dont receive any second shots)

-Medical 2- talk to a nurse then a PA to talk about your medical problems or any changes.


-Update your AKO and your ako information in there computer lab.

-If you dont have an ID that has a date up to your MSO your screwed because that section is the reason why my friend was there for a while. and the section that everyone seemed to complain about. i was fortunate that i still had an ID.

- fill out paper for FRG

- for e-5 through e-7 there is a section if you want to volunteer to be a recruiter.

- if you just got back from deployment in the last year, you will have to do a phone interview with post deployment health assesment which takes anywhere from 10-20 minutes.

-Final OUt and collect your money its suppose to take 1-2 weeks

i was there from 7 to 1230. I really feared going to this, but after going it seems as if there intention is to really fix the IRR, but who knows. yes when i originally thought it would only take 2 hours i did think in my head that would mean 8 hours. any questions i will check this post and try to answer them.

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If they are giving shots, and taking blood, that doesn't sound good. Sounds to me like if you were foolish enough to go to the muster, they will have your name and all your updates ready for your soon to be deployment.

SSG

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Col. Wanda Good, who's running HRC, must be immediately relieved of her command. The IRR packets they're passing out are filled with misinformation and lies that contradict AR 9-135, which governs reserve components including the IRR. As soon as I've resigned my commission and terminated my IRR affiliation, I'll be filing a complaint with CID. If they do nothing, as I suspect they will, I'll file my complaint with House Speaker Pelosi, Fox News and The Wall Street Journal.

A contract is just that, a contract with specific terms, not consent to indefinite servitude and new stipulations, such as 15 days of annual training. The recruiters are already having a hell of a time with it, without incompetent malfeasant commanders undermining the mission.

And, as an earlier poster noted, make no mistake that a backdoor draft is brewing. If you have a family or a living to protect, take provisions and take care, men. The sandbox is no place to be sending de facto civilians who haven't touched a carbine in years.

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@ above poster:

Give 'em hell!

[Unregistered]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070710/pl_nm/usa_military_recruits_dc_1

What happens at the muster is not important.

What's important is what they decide to do with your updated data. What's important is that they're plotting a backdoor draft.

The surge requires 30,000 more boots on the ground, and the army has missed even its "market-adjusted" recruitment targets for two months running. The army needs to find soldiers somewhere--that's why it's imperative that fix the IRR right now.

They are plotting a backdoor draft. At the muster, you fill out a questionnaire gauging your deployability readiness.

They spit on your service and will send you back for a second or third time.

Whoa. The Army is 1400 short in June and 400 short in May? Those are very significant numbers.

This Muster is simply to get a handle on the IRR so these soliders can all be called back.

If you go to a muster, you'll likely be called back for the 2008 IRR Recall sending you to Iraq...

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And, as an earlier poster noted, make no mistake that a backdoor draft is brewing. If you have a family or a living to protect, take provisions and take care, men. The sandbox is no place to be sending de facto civilians who haven't touched a carbine in years.

The backdoor draft has been here! I was called up in 2005 with hundreds of others. One guy was last on active duty in 1971, I was wet behind the ears having got off active duty in 1983. Gotta admit it is interesting seeing the new M4, the SAW and other new firesticks. But to call us up and process us like we even remember our right from our left....

If they want to get serious they ought to send us to Basic Training again. Heck the SMA rank design has changed and now we have a W-5 rank. Heck all the W ranks are different.

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Ok im the same guy that said I was gonna post my expirence as i already posted about my friends expierence yesterday. I went today 15 jul 07 over at Los alamitos. To clarify the packet they sent you actually says the muster might take 2 hours to a day, as the first thing i did when i got there was complain and was proven wrong read your packet. You get there with HRC ST LIOUS will be there to brief you on the days event. the whole thing started about 730 the earliest someone left was 1050 verfied by the final outprocessing NCO. There are many sections to this muster, and there are no particular order that you do them in. I will tell you them in the order i did it with.

- Sign in

- Personel to update your info

- Security Clearance section to see if yours is still any good(the guy just signed off on mines since i do not have one)

-Retention(they basically tell you your options, kinda similar to the retention portion when you ETS.) They will try to just tell you what your options are, and say some type of scare tactic.

-Watch a 13 minute IRR Video

-Medical 1- consist of immunizations, HIV draw, and dental.and a hearing test(they will have your medpros printout there hopefully so you dont receive any second shots)

-Medical 2- talk to a nurse then a PA to talk about your medical problems or any changes.


-Update your AKO and your ako information in there computer lab.

-If you dont have an ID that has a date up to your MSO your screwed because that section is the reason why my friend was there for a while. and the section that everyone seemed to complain about. i was fortunate that i still had an ID.

- fill out paper for FRG

- for e-5 through e-7 there is a section if you want to volunteer to be a recruiter.

- if you just got back from deployment in the last year, you will have to do a phone interview with post deployment health assesment which takes anywhere from 10-20 minutes.

-Final OUt and collect your money its suppose to take 1-2 weeks

i was there from 7 to 1230. I really feared going to this, but after going it seems as if there intention is to really fix the IRR, but who knows. yes when i originally thought it would only take 2 hours i did think in my head that would mean 8 hours. any questions i will check this post and try to answer them.

great post! what happens if you have a contractors ID and what kind of stuff did the nurse and PA ask?

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That guy being called back for a 5th time fixes military helicopters in civilian life, you know he is more valuable there. Basically if the IRR needs bodies they just start pulling. You wear green and have an ID card, so you are fodder.

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That guy being called back for a 5th time fixes military helicopters in civilian life, you know he is more valuable there. Basically if the IRR needs bodies they just start pulling. You wear green and have an ID card, so you are fodder.

okay can we get back on the topic now please.

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How can the Army Reserve or Guard guarantee that deferrment from deploying? I'm not trying to be a smartass, but hasn't time and experience shown us that EVERYTHING is subject to "needs of the Army?" Let's say you get that deferrment in writing. Who guarantees it? Who enforces it? Writing didn't matter for ETS dates thanks to stop-loss. 8 years MSO didn't matter for IRR/stop-lossed and stop-lossed IRR. Who here believes that the Guard or Reserves can afford to have a soldier on their rolls who won't deploy? I realize it's a possibility, i.e. Rear-D, but NOT a guarantee.

It is a guarantee in writing for 2 years from the date of assignment. The Army Reserve guarantees and manages it. I don't know about the Guard. I'm referring to the Reserve. This policy became effective 23 May 07. Qualifications are a Soldier must have completed their Active Duty or Reserve contractual obiligation honorably.

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Don't listen to PFC Beavis above. You can tell he's either lying or a recruitor (well, probably both - but isn't that redundant?) when he says you get a 24 month deferment from deploying by signing up for a reserve unit. Everything is subject to the needs of the Army. Everything. Everybody knows that. And just today on the news a general said they've run out of AD troops to deploy come early 2008. So you do the math...

And are we really supposed to think this $176 is free money? The Army will want something for it...
Like all your personal info, employer info, bank account, etc so they can get a "better handle" on the IRR.

The reason the Army hasn't gotten tough on the IRR until now is because the system is a mess. Folks like Beavis here have a hard enough time learning how to tie their shoelaces. Do you actually want to give your personal info to him so your future is now in his hands?

And so they're trying to fix their IRR system by paying everyone $176 to get all this personal info. Hmm...why would they want to get your personal info and to fix the IRR system. Oh wait, I know. It's to recall IRR folks in 2008...

Ignore Beavis. Don't show up to these recruiters. If it's so important, let these REMFs go to the front line instead.

FYI, This is not PFC Beavis. We don't need anymore personal information. HRC already has your SSN, and mother's maiden name from your SGLI forms. The $176.00 is for your time to travel and sit-down time to provide information.

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FYI, This is not PFC Beavis. We don't need anymore personal information. HRC already has your SSN, and mother's maiden name from your SGLI forms. The $176.00 is for your time to travel and sit-down time to provide information.

pretty much correct on that but 6 + hours?! 176.00 is not enough for my time.

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Listen up kids. You better do your homework....or you'll end up living in a warehouse down by the Tigris river.

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Listen up kids. You better do your homework....or you'll end up living in a warehouse down by the Tigris river.

mmmmmmkay boss! just wtat exactly are you getting at?

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I go tomorrow, will post what goes on.

houston tx.

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I go tomorrow, will post what goes on.

houston tx.

thanks houston just don't let the first line of your post be houston we have a problem. just kidding!

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I just went to the muster. They called it a srp. I looked at couple videos, wrote down some info and said hell no to joining the reserves!! Its just transition sgts trying to re-fill the ranks. But they were honest about looking for bodies for deployments. Don't give them much for intelligence, but an 'A' for honesty! I didn't do any of the medical or dental stuff like the previous post said. It was just 2 computers in a room. Oh, and by the way, it only took me 1 hour to get through it cause I piggy-back off someone else who was almost done and had everything filled out prior to getting there. The only reason I was there for an hour was the on-line portal thing they want you to fill out on AKO and them TRYING to get me to join SOMETHING. It wasn't too painful but i will still be watching the mail until october when my mso ends. Hope this helps.

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I just went to the muster. They called it a srp. I looked at couple videos, wrote down some info and said hell no to joining the reserves!! Its just transition sgts trying to re-fill the ranks. But they were honest about looking for bodies for deployments. Don't give them much for intelligence, but an 'A' for honesty! I didn't do any of the medical or dental stuff like the previous post said. It was just 2 computers in a room. Oh, and by the way, it only took me 1 hour to get through it cause I piggy-back off someone else who was almost done and had everything filled out prior to getting there. The only reason I was there for an hour was the on-line portal thing they want you to fill out on AKO and them TRYING to get me to join SOMETHING. It wasn't too painful but i will still be watching the mail until october when my mso ends. Hope this helps.

thanks for the up date. where did you go to for the muster? it seems like a small group there?

[Unregistered]

TRYING to get you to join SOMETHING? What is this a time share? Do you get a free hat? And if they want you to join SOMETHING then wtf is the IRR?!

[Unregistered]

Went to my Personnel Accountability Muster. Small group 15- folks. It went just like the HRC site indicated. They (Reserve Career Counselors) did their plug for joining the Army Reserves, 24-month stabilization, TPU, etc. I asked why the push to get folks to sign up for the Reserves; are they short people? They said the Reserve force is green on strength. I asked what the Army is going to do with all these Trainers--they had said that their Reserve units don't deploy (one weekend a month, 1 AT a year), just train the guys going over.

They made copies of the paperwork as promise and signed off on my meeting my annual IRR requirement.

Still, why does the Army want you, me, everyone else on IRR signing up for the Reserves???

Iraq Vet
Ar Ramadi 03-04

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Went to my Personnel Accountability Muster. Small group 15- folks. It went just like the HRC site indicated. They (Reserve Career Counselors) did their plug for joining the Army Reserves, 24-month stabilization, TPU, etc. I asked why the push to get folks to sign up for the Reserves; are they short people? They said the Reserve force is green on strength. I asked what the Army is going to do with all these Trainers--they had said that their Reserve units don't deploy (one weekend a month, 1 AT a year), just train the guys going over.

They made copies of the paperwork as promise and signed off on my meeting my annual IRR requirement.

Still, why does the Army want you, me, everyone else on IRR signing up for the Reserves???

Iraq Vet
Ar Ramadi 03-04

where did you go for your muster?

[Unregistered]

Would you like fries with that?

http://thegate.nationaljournal.com/2007/07/supersizing_the_surge.php

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For all the people who said the muster would only take 2 hours, when during you entire time in the Army, has the Army ever cared about your time or done anything efficiently? Never, right? So, why did you think the muster would be any different?


just got done with the muster. actually took less than 2 hours. just do all the paperwork that is supposed to be done before and it takes no time

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Would you like fries with that?

http://thegate.nationaljournal.com/2007/07/supersizing_the_surge.php

But even the article is skeptical the Surge would get bigger. Anyone see Graham and Webb get into it on Sunday? Or read about Voinavich cursing the Pres when the GOP visited the White House?

[ringjamesa]

Sorry it took so long but to answer the question regarding a Push-Pull exercise; A push-pull exercise is basically a test of the recall/deployment abilities of the IRR. They recall a bunch of IRR members for 5-10 days (approx) and about 2/3 of those recalled are put on a plane and flown somewhere, flown back etc.. It is basically to see how well the Reserve Command can activate and deploy the IRR. The AF just conducted one not too long ago and everyone knows that the AF is cutting people not trying to bring IRR members back to AD (they can't come back even if they want to in most cases).

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Sorry it took so long but to answer the question regarding a Push-Pull exercise; A push-pull exercise is basically a test of the recall/deployment abilities of the IRR. They recall a bunch of IRR members for 5-10 days (approx) and about 2/3 of those recalled are put on a plane and flown somewhere, flown back etc.. It is basically to see how well the Reserve Command can activate and deploy the IRR. The AF just conducted one not too long ago and everyone knows that the AF is cutting people not trying to bring IRR members back to AD (they can't come back even if they want to in most cases).

But they're welcome in the Army. Last I heard, they can sometimes transfer rank too.

[Unregistered]

thanks for the up date. where did you go to for the muster? it seems like a small group there?

To answer your question, my muster was at west palm beach, fl.

[Unregistered]

TRYING to get you to join SOMETHING? What is this a time share? Do you get a free hat? And if they want you to join SOMETHING then wtf is the IRR?!

Sorry, I Didn't win the hat. I think the game was rigged!! :(

[Unregistered]

Guys and Gals. Read this and Pass it along to freinds. SPREAD THE WORD!!!

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=2905

Angry VET

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Guys and Gals. Read this and Pass it along to freinds. SPREAD THE WORD!!!

http://www.roguegovernment.com/news.php?id=2905

Angry VET

tthat has already been posted.

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Yes I just got of the army about 6 months ago active duty with the 173rd abn brigade. I did 3 years with a tour overseas. I just got some dumb ass orders saying that I am to report to some reserve unit in another state. The man who sent the orders had his telephone # on them so I called him. He told me that this is something new that is coming down and that I am gonna have to go. What a bunch of bullshit. He did say that with this new thing that they are trying to do is get IRR soldiers in a unit instead of floating around. I told him I would rather float around and take my chances of being called back then be at a unit and take a chance there. The kicker is that I have to do this thing once a month like a reserve soldier and he told me that I can go up there and tell them that I dont want to come back if I dont want to and be put back in the floating system. So I called the unit and was talking to them and they told me that I couldnt do that and I am with them now. Well what a bunch of horse shit. I am not a reservist I did not swear in or sign any damn papers. What a bunch of bullshit. You dont know how mad I am. I was a 11b and now i am gonna be some paper pusher. What the hell. IF anybody has any kind of insight please reply because I just may get thrown in jail this coming weekend. I gave the army a good 3 years and would have died for my country and this is the shit I get. Now I know I have a duty to do for 8 years but come on. Trying to make me be a reservist and I didnt even sign any papers.

[Unregistered]

Would you like fries with that?

http://thegate.nationaljournal.com/2007/07/supersizing_the_surge.php

I'M PERMANENTLY DISFIGURED AND DIVORCED AND THE ST. LOUIS CHAPTER OF AL QUEDA--HRC--WANTS TO TAKE MORE FROM ME!!!! THOSE ANIMALS!!! THOSE POGUES TOO COWARDLY TO EVEN BE FOBBITS!!! VOLUNTEER YOURSELF FOR DEPLOYMENT, VOLUNTEER AS 11 BRAVOS, YOU TRAITOROUS SUBHUMAN SCUM!!! DON'T ACTUALLY SOLDIER OR ANYTHING, REALLY JUST COLLECT WELFARE WHILE HARASSING VETS UNDER THE ST. LOUIS ARCH!!! WHY DON'T YOU GO ON THAT STUPID TRAIN RIDE WHILE YOU'RE SIGHT-SEEING STATESIDE SINCE YOU'RE NOT GOING TO HAJJISTAN, HOW CAN YOU ANIMALS CALL YOURSELF SOLDIERS OR LOOK YOURSELVES IN THE MIRROR!!!

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Yes I just got of the army about 6 months ago active duty with the 173rd abn brigade. I did 3 years with a tour overseas. I just got some dumb ass orders saying that I am to report to some reserve unit in another state. The man who sent the orders had his telephone # on them so I called him. He told me that this is something new that is coming down and that I am gonna have to go. What a bunch of bullshit. He did say that with this new thing that they are trying to do is get IRR soldiers in a unit instead of floating around. I told him I would rather float around and take my chances of being called back then be at a unit and take a chance there. The kicker is that I have to do this thing once a month like a reserve soldier and he told me that I can go up there and tell them that I dont want to come back if I dont want to and be put back in the floating system. So I called the unit and was talking to them and they told me that I couldnt do that and I am with them now. Well what a bunch of horse shit. I am not a reservist I did not swear in or sign any damn papers. What a bunch of bullshit. You dont know how mad I am. I was a 11b and now i am gonna be some paper pusher. What the hell. IF anybody has any kind of insight please reply because I just may get thrown in jail this coming weekend. I gave the army a good 3 years and would have died for my country and this is the shit I get. Now I know I have a duty to do for 8 years but come on. Trying to make me be a reservist and I didnt even sign any papers.

Wow man, this is some shit they're not even supposed to do... you're IRR right? This is a new situation to this board, I've been following it for a while. Seems like they're trying to get their hooks into guys as soon as they get out now, unlike the majority of us who were just supposed to mail in a form once a year. Wow. Bullshit dude. Fuck that, I wouldn't EVER show up for shit. You're not a fuckin reservist. This is all getting to be too much. No one signed up for an active 8 year enlistment. Something's gotta be done about this.

[Unregistered]

Sorry it took so long but to answer the question regarding a Push-Pull exercise; A push-pull exercise is basically a test of the recall/deployment abilities of the IRR. They recall a bunch of IRR members for 5-10 days (approx) and about 2/3 of those recalled are put on a plane and flown somewhere, flown back etc.. It is basically to see how well the Reserve Command can activate and deploy the IRR. The AF just conducted one not too long ago and everyone knows that the AF is cutting people not trying to bring IRR members back to AD (they can't come back even if they want to in most cases).

This is the craziest thing I've ever heard. Do you, your family or your employer know that you're just puttering around for 5-10 days instead of being sent to the sandbox? If so, I should waste my paid vacation to prove that a bunch of pogues are incompetent. If they weren't incompetent, they'd be in the private sector. Should someone kidnap Col. Good's children for 5-10 days to test how well the St. Louis PD does its job? This is utter lunacy. I realize an ongoing operation like this puts a lot of strain on the military, but this is lunacy.

[OIFvet2004]

I attended the muster formation today at the MEPS station in New Orleans. The accountability formation was mostly to pitch re-upping or reclassing into a Reserve unit. As a few previous posts have said, it was run by reserve career counselors, not recruiters or other Army personnel. I watched a video and got to listen to them tell me about the benefits that would be availible to me if I came out of the IRR and went into a TPU status (drilling reservist). I had gone to the website on my orders and updated my status before hand so that part was taken care of before I walked in the door. They gave me their cards and that was it. They were actually quite contrite about their situation and understood that most people would not be interested in changing their status, especially in the deployment happy times that we are in. At the end of it they simply asked for a completed direct deposit form and a signature on a personnel actions report (standard counseling form) that simply said: "I have been notifiied of the benefits availible to me..." etc. There was evena a place on the counseling form for me to add my own comments in which I worte: "I do not wish to change my IRR status in any way." The whole ordeal seemed pretty straight forward and the counselors seemed to be going through the motions that they were required to go through.

They did mention that only 31 people replied to their contact attempts (they assured there were many, many more that did not) and that those that did not reply would probably recieve an other than honorable discharge. I don't know about any of you out there, but I did my tour in Iraq and Afg and I would be pretty pissed if I lost my honorable discharge over some bulls**t sales pitch that took 2 hours.

They did actually give me some information that I was not aware of, however. As a veteran, you are entitled to commisary and PX privlages as well as being able to update your military ID. When I came off of active duty, they never told us of any of this so it actuall was useful.

[Unregistered]

Raise awareness through the media and contact your Congressmen.

[Unregistered]

So if joining a unit guarantees no deployment for 24 months, then we ALL need to join units and thereby make the IRR non-existant and non-deployable. Don't believe it. we were told 12 month deployments and then they changed it to 15. How long before we are seeing 24 months?

While I was in-processing for deployment there was the usual ROD SQUAD (Relieved of Duty) of folks non-deployable. One female was there saying her time in the IRR was up yet she still received orders. Sure enough it was confirmed that she was out but of course they said "While your here...." and tried to get her to sign up again and go back. yep the IRR is one hosed up bunch.

When my tour is over I may just retire. Sure I won't get points between now and turning 60 but I'll be out of this mess!

[Unregistered]

So if joining a unit guarantees no deployment for 24 months, then we ALL need to join units and thereby make the IRR non-existant and non-deployable. Don't believe it. we were told 12 month deployments and then they changed it to 15. How long before we are seeing 24 months?

While I was in-processing for deployment there was the usual ROD SQUAD (Relieved of Duty) of folks non-deployable. One female was there saying her time in the IRR was up yet she still received orders. Sure enough it was confirmed that she was out but of course they said "While your here...." and tried to get her to sign up again and go back. yep the IRR is one hosed up bunch.

When my tour is over I may just retire. Sure I won't get points between now and turning 60 but I'll be out of this mess!

yeah the whole situation is messed up. just make sure you you keep your eye on the ball when it comes to retiring. you don't want to get screwed. anyways good luck in all you do!

[Unregistered]

Start packing.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QDMVAO0&show_article=1

[Unregistered]

Start packing.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QDMVAO0&show_article=1

oh drop it already...we have seen and heard this before.

[Unregistered]

Does anyone know if Disability affects your IRR, ie Getting released? I currently have a 70% disability rating
10% lowerback pain
10% tinnitis
10% pes plantar facitis
10% stress fractures
50% PTSD

I also went to the muster yesterday it was BS took me like 15min I live by Fort Hood so that is where I went. Basically they do nothing you go to get that check. As long as you do the Individual warrior crap on AKO all else you need them to do is pay you the stipend. I turned in my V.A. documents asked them if it would effect my IRR commintment and of course they dont know crap. "we are not HRC" Well I wondered what the hell is the point of this crap, if you dont know shit. I heard other bigger stations are doing a real SRP.

[Unregistered]

anyone know what happened at fort meade? my friend went there but he has not called yet but he did manage to go back to work. hopefully he joined nothing!

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Does anyone know if Disability affects your IRR, ie Getting released? I currently have a 70% disability rating
10% lowerback pain
10% tinnitis
10% pes plantar facitis
10% stress fractures
50% PTSD

I also went to the muster yesterday it was BS took me like 15min I live by Fort Hood so that is where I went. Basically they do nothing you go to get that check. As long as you do the Individual warrior crap on AKO all else you need them to do is pay you the stipend. I turned in my V.A. documents asked them if it would effect my IRR commintment and of course they dont know crap. "we are not HRC" Well I wondered what the hell is the point of this crap, if you dont know shit. I heard other bigger stations are doing a real SRP.

it may or may not. if you take a physical they probably would bounce you out of the IRR because i think you meet more than two qualifications. check the reg or ask someone on this board about it. i am sure someone has a better answer than i do.

[A-Train]

I attended the muster formation today at the MEPS station in New Orleans. The accountability formation was mostly to pitch re-upping or reclassing into a Reserve unit. As a few previous posts have said, it was run by reserve career counselors, not recruiters or other Army personnel. I watched a video and got to listen to them tell me about the benefits that would be availible to me if I came out of the IRR and went into a TPU status (drilling reservist). I had gone to the website on my orders and updated my status before hand so that part was taken care of before I walked in the door. They gave me their cards and that was it. They were actually quite contrite about their situation and understood that most people would not be interested in changing their status, especially in the deployment happy times that we are in. At the end of it they simply asked for a completed direct deposit form and a signature on a personnel actions report (standard counseling form) that simply said: "I have been notifiied of the benefits availible to me..." etc. There was evena a place on the counseling form for me to add my own comments in which I worte: "I do not wish to change my IRR status in any way." The whole ordeal seemed pretty straight forward and the counselors seemed to be going through the motions that they were required to go through.

They did mention that only 31 people replied to their contact attempts (they assured there were many, many more that did not) and that those that did not reply would probably recieve an other than honorable discharge. I don't know about any of you out there, but I did my tour in Iraq and Afg and I would be pretty pissed if I lost my honorable discharge over some bulls**t sales pitch that took 2 hours.

They did actually give me some information that I was not aware of, however. As a veteran, you are entitled to commisary and PX privlages as well as being able to update your military ID. When I came off of active duty, they never told us of any of this so it actuall was useful.



Same information here on Monday July 16th at the Orlando Reserve Station. I got my ID card and bought an $8 jumpsuit at the Navy Exchange.... nice!
Furthermore they offered me a direct commission because of my degree. Don't think I'll take it but it feels nice knowing I can go from specialist to butter bar fairly easy.
I broke it down and the 8-hours I spent there worked out to about $22 an hour. Not bad for most people. Plus your job should still pay you and look at it like jury duty as mine did. LAter --AL

[A-Train]

Same information here on Monday July 16th at the Orlando Reserve Station. I got my ID card and bought an $8 jumpsuit at the Navy Exchange.... nice!
Furthermore they offered me a direct commission because of my degree. Don't think I'll take it but it feels nice knowing I can go from specialist to butter bar fairly easy.
I broke it down and the 8-hours I spent there worked out to about $22 an hour. Not bad for most people. Plus your job should still pay you and look at it like jury duty as mine did. LAter --AL

BTW: I forgot to mention.... no free hats for those that sign up. Better!!! ACU "Army of one Logo" book bags and an "Army of One" MP3 Player..................................people please.

[Unregistered]

Same information here on Monday July 16th at the Orlando Reserve Station. I got my ID card and bought an $8 jumpsuit at the Navy Exchange.... nice!
Furthermore they offered me a direct commission because of my degree. Don't think I'll take it but it feels nice knowing I can go from specialist to butter bar fairly easy.
I broke it down and the 8-hours I spent there worked out to about $22 an hour. Not bad for most people. Plus your job should still pay you and look at it like jury duty as mine did. LAter --AL

did you get an ID card because you did not have one? i have an army civilian badge are they going to make me change it?

[A-Train]

did you get an ID card because you did not have one? i have an army civilian badge are they going to make me change it?

I didn't have an ID since when I got out in 2005 (joined in 2000) they took my ID. I got the green card instead of a CAC card. They'll probably make you get a green card since an army civilian card doesn't say ARMY RESERVE in nice bold letters on it. We're technically ARMY RESERVE btw. Also the expiration date on it is the MSO end date. Mine is 25 September 2008.

[Unregistered]

Same information here on Monday July 16th at the Orlando Reserve Station. I got my ID card and bought an $8 jumpsuit at the Navy Exchange.... nice!
Furthermore they offered me a direct commission because of my degree. Don't think I'll take it but it feels nice knowing I can go from specialist to butter bar fairly easy.
I broke it down and the 8-hours I spent there worked out to about $22 an hour. Not bad for most people. Plus your job should still pay you and look at it like jury duty as mine did. LAter --AL

Until they call you up for Iraq. Then it'll be more like $2.13 an hour. And you'll be in Iraq.

There's no such thing as free money. If you give up your personal information for $22 an hour just to get called up for Iraq, it may not be worth it.

[Unregistered]

Wow, check out the recruiter. Um. sorry hoss. There is no speculation. We've heard from SecDef Gates that there won't be enough AD folks in 2008. Where do we think the bodies will come from? Hmm...oh yeah, the IRR.

And the IRR system has been broken.

Actually, it seems you're the one who should read your own articles. In the first one you posted:

*****
The cracks in the IRR system were exposed after January 2004, when Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld authorized the Army to tap the IRR to fill out units bound for Iraq.

The call-up has not been smooth sailing, Gall said. “We have a call rate of four to one."
*****

It goes on to say:

*****
“The IRR pool is not in the kind of shape we would like it to be,” Gall said. “We’re trying to assure [ourselves] that we do have soldiers that are ready and willing to serve the country.”
*****

So by the Army's own words (and proving everyone's point here), the IRR system is broken. And the Army is paying folks a few bucks to update the system with personal information just so they can get a handle on the IRR folks to "serve the country" "to fill out units bound for Iraq."

Thanks for proving our point. You're a great little blog warrior.

Oh, and there are very few ways of getting out of MOB orders. Very few. Check out this guy who is having to to go court to not be deployed a 5th time!

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Reservist_5th_Deployment.html

And we've all seen other folks get denied or have to go to court to try to get out of MOB orders. Doesn't happen.

Plus you say Bush can't make any mistakes? Are you insane? Have you never read a newspaper? He's a lame duck who's going to run out the clock. His coup d'etat over the legal system with Libby, his denials of allowing his staff to talk about their leaking of a CIA agent's identify (during a time of war no less), etc...

He doesn't care what anyone thinks and makes mistakes all the time. And he's not up for reelection. The GOP knows they're too late and hosed for 2008. So he doesn't care. He's going to do what he wants.

Speaking of links, check out this guy who went overseas only to get shot by a 50 cal. His leg is swiss cheese, but he's been denied a purple heart because the Army says the fire was friendly.

http://shns.abc15.com/shns/story.cfm?pk=PURPLEHEART-01-05-07&cat=WW.com

So yeah, if you want any part of this mess, by all means go to a muster... Maybe you'll please one of these recuiters or help them meet their quota...

Wow, this is interesting. Per all the information out there, it seems like if you go to a Muster, you will be called back for IRAQ in the big IRR Recall in 2008.

[Unregistered]

Right on, dude. Tell it!

ANd don't forgoet to remember so many of our VA claims are being denied, everything with Walter Reed, you'll probably be stoplossed and kept past your 8 years, you won't get the equipment or training you need, you'll be reclassed to CA or MP, etc...

Okay, now who wants to be the last one out of Hanoi?

You?

Not me... This ain't worth $22 an hour...

[Unregistered]

I attended the muster formation today at the MEPS station in New Orleans. The accountability formation was mostly to pitch re-upping or reclassing into a Reserve unit. As a few previous posts have said, it was run by reserve career counselors, not recruiters or other Army personnel. I watched a video and got to listen to them tell me about the benefits that would be availible to me if I came out of the IRR and went into a TPU status (drilling reservist). I had gone to the website on my orders and updated my status before hand so that part was taken care of before I walked in the door. They gave me their cards and that was it. They were actually quite contrite about their situation and understood that most people would not be interested in changing their status, especially in the deployment happy times that we are in. At the end of it they simply asked for a completed direct deposit form and a signature on a personnel actions report (standard counseling form) that simply said: "I have been notifiied of the benefits availible to me..." etc. There was evena a place on the counseling form for me to add my own comments in which I worte: "I do not wish to change my IRR status in any way." The whole ordeal seemed pretty straight forward and the counselors seemed to be going through the motions that they were required to go through.

They did mention that only 31 people replied to their contact attempts (they assured there were many, many more that did not) and that those that did not reply would probably recieve an other than honorable discharge. I don't know about any of you out there, but I did my tour in Iraq and Afg and I would be pretty pissed if I lost my honorable discharge over some bulls**t sales pitch that took 2 hours.

They did actually give me some information that I was not aware of, however. As a veteran, you are entitled to commisary and PX privlages as well as being able to update your military ID. When I came off of active duty, they never told us of any of this so it actuall was useful.

This post is propoganda by a DoD recruiter or personnel REMF.

The chuckleheads who run these musters/sales pitches are naturally going to say people will get an OTH from not attending a muster. Not true at all. Don't spread these lies as these morons have no say in this matter.

The musters aren't orders like being called up to AD. And not every IRR soldier is being requested to attend a muster. There's no way you'll get an OTH for not receiving a letter that some other IRR soldier dididn't get either.

Don't give up your personal information for a few dollars...

[Unregistered]

Wait, I want to help a recuiter fill his quota! I'm going to the muster to help a poor recruiter...

And even though now I'll have to go to Iraq, it was worth it to see the smile on that recruiter's face...

[Unregistered]

Wait, I want to help a recuiter fill his quota! I'm going to the muster to help a poor recruiter...

And even though now I'll have to go to Iraq, it was worth it to see the smile on that recruiter's face...

I'm thinking it's the other way...Join the Reserves to be a "Trainer/Instructor"; go to Iraq to train the Iraqis. It'll be easier to redeploy someone that's "signed back up" than the IRR floaters...

[Unregistered]

Not sure about everyone else - but I never responded to the letter and have not received any form of folow up correspondance. If anyone get's a follow up letter / phone call please post so we know what to expect; I now read this thread almost daily to find out what's going on. Furthermore, those of you who attended the muster - when you get your activation orders give us a heads up too. Just curious to see how long before they turn this into another IRR call up.

[Unregistered]

So I went today...what a joke!

I did all the stuff online before I went (pretty much a questionnaire to update your contact info) and filled out all the forms the night before.

I got there, and the "Career Counselor" looked over my paperwork while I watched a video telling me how the IRR is supposed to work.

Once that was over, she asked me if I was interested in the Reserves. I politely told her that I was not at all interested, and no amount of money was going to change my mind.

After that, she gave me this packet for the IRR (which is available online) and told me that we were done, and that if I had any questions, to call her.

I also went ahead and got myself an updated ID card while I was there.

Total time spent doing this-maybe an 1 1/2 hours total. Not bad for $176.45

TIPS!!!
-Make sure your AKO account is up to date
-Fill out online questionnaire BEFORE you go, and print off certificate- www.hrc.army.mil/portal
>then click on IRR at the top, and follow the pages!
-Make sure you have all your paperwork with you, and fill out your direct deposit form before you get there-might want to bring a check so they can verify routing numbers

I did this in Houston, by the way...was only me and one other guy there at the time.

[Unregistered]

I just received, in e-mail, these muster papers from the IRR:

AGR Reattachment Request.xls
IRR Transfer Worksheet Mob Officer.xls
IRR Transfer Worksheet Mob Enlisted.xls
IRR Muster Transfer Worksheet Officer.xls
IRR Muster Transfer Worksheet Enlisted.xls

I emailed back asking what they were for. They told me to disregard. THEY ARE SO HOSED UP!

[ringjamesa]

First off, as a member of the IRR, you are entitled to the green ID card. This gives you access to the base as well as some military services. Many separations sections do not issue the card due to the fact that you are still entitled to a CAC until you finish your terminal leave and in order to issue you the IRR card, they have to change your eligiblity in DEERS-not a good thing. Secondly to the individual that was told he has to show up once a month in the IRR, you are getting hosed. I know for a fact that it is not true but I also know that some Army recruiters lie to IRR members. I know an individual that was in the IRR and spoke to an Army Recruiter who told her that she was in the selected Reserve and was supposed to be participating and that if she didn't start showing up 90 miles away once a month, she would be subject to UCMJ action. She showed up and ended up losing a lot of money because they don't have billetting and didn't pay per-diem or hotel costs. When I pulled her information, turns out that even though she was participating, she was never actually assigned to the Selected Reserve so if she had gotten into an accident on the way there, while she was there, or on the way back-the Army wouldn't have been responsible for any of the medical bills. If they tell you that you HAVE to be in the Selected Reserve and/or show up, make them prove it before you do it. without being assigned to a unit, you have no Tricare coverage or SGLI.

[OIFvet2004]

This post is propoganda by a DoD recruiter or personnel REMF.

The chuckleheads who run these musters/sales pitches are naturally going to say people will get an OTH from not attending a muster. Not true at all. Don't spread these lies as these morons have no say in this matter.

The musters aren't orders like being called up to AD. And not every IRR soldier is being requested to attend a muster. There's no way you'll get an OTH for not receiving a letter that some other IRR soldier dididn't get either.

Don't give up your personal information for a few dollars...

Wow, good call on the "DOD recruiter or personnel REMF."
I actually got my CIB with 1/1 ID in Balad and got to go through Fallujah in '04, all while serving an extended tour in two seperate operations (OIF, OEF). Good call

I was just trying to share what I thought would be useful information. I was one of the people who got the muster orders and it was pretty much a waste of time. I'm sure that the entire muster system was an experiment in how effective the Army is at locating their IRR soldiers. The muster itself was a joke but I will not discount the idea that a recall may happen. All this speculation is just that - speculation on what the military will do as far as their IRR assets. We will all just have to wait out our time and see what happens.

[Unregistered]

anyone know what happened at fort meade? my friend went there but he has not called yet but he did manage to go back to work. hopefully he joined nothing!

My friend went to Meage past weekend, called me next day that everything went well, but took almost 6+ hours. However, he called me this mornig to inform that he got letter from hrc to report to mob unit at benning, nc by sept.30 or call to defer orders. So, you know where this is going? He is 92Y and now moving to different state (probably wrong address at PO - that's the forst place DA gets your address from)

[A-Train]

Wow, good call on the "DOD recruiter or personnel REMF."
I actually got my CIB with 1/1 ID in Balad and got to go through Fallujah in '04, all while serving an extended tour in two seperate operations (OIF, OEF). Good call

I was just trying to share what I thought would be useful information. I was one of the people who got the muster orders and it was pretty much a waste of time. I'm sure that the entire muster system was an experiment in how effective the Army is at locating their IRR soldiers. The muster itself was a joke but I will not discount the idea that a recall may happen. All this speculation is just that - speculation on what the military will do as far as their IRR assets. We will all just have to wait out our time and see what happens.


Exactly, people here are scared morons. You try to share some information and paranoia still eats at them. Iraq sucks we all know that, but those of us that have been there know that if we have to go back then that's life and His will.
I've got a wonderful wife, a great job with the health department, and I'm building a house that'll be done in September thanks to my service (and the VA benefits). I'd hate to lose my job preference status, or be ineligible for some VA benefits just because I didn't show up to some stupid ass muster for a day. It's a joke. When I was over there I never came across one recalled IRR guy. Don't fuck yourself over with an OTH and just go pansies.

[Unregistered]

My friend went to Meage past weekend, called me next day that everything went well, but took almost 6+ hours. However, he called me this mornig to inform that he got letter from hrc to report to mob unit at benning, nc by sept.30 or call to defer orders. So, you know where this is going? He is 92Y and now moving to different state (probably wrong address at PO - that's the forst place DA gets your address from)

okay slow down. okay your friend went and spent 6+ hours there? what for and he got MOB orders that quick? something is wrong here. you need to get a better explanation from him. no one else that spent that kind of time at this thing got orders that fast. are you sure he did not sign up for something?

[Unregistered]

So I went today...what a joke!

I did all the stuff online before I went (pretty much a questionnaire to update your contact info) and filled out all the forms the night before.

I got there, and the "Career Counselor" looked over my paperwork while I watched a video telling me how the IRR is supposed to work.

Once that was over, she asked me if I was interested in the Reserves. I politely told her that I was not at all interested, and no amount of money was going to change my mind.

After that, she gave me this packet for the IRR (which is available online) and told me that we were done, and that if I had any questions, to call her.

I also went ahead and got myself an updated ID card while I was there.

Total time spent doing this-maybe an 1 1/2 hours total. Not bad for $176.45

TIPS!!!
-Make sure your AKO account is up to date
-Fill out online questionnaire BEFORE you go, and print off certificate- www.hrc.army.mil/portal
>then click on IRR at the top, and follow the pages!
-Make sure you have all your paperwork with you, and fill out your direct deposit form before you get there-might want to bring a check so they can verify routing numbers

I did this in Houston, by the way...was only me and one other guy there at the time.

hey man what questionnaire are you talking about? i don't see a thing on the website or are you talking about some of the junk they sent in the mail? please explain when you can brother!

[Unregistered]

My friend went to Meage past weekend, called me next day that everything went well, but took almost 6+ hours. However, he called me this mornig to inform that he got letter from hrc to report to mob unit at benning, nc by sept.30 or call to defer orders. So, you know where this is going? He is 92Y and now moving to different state (probably wrong address at PO - that's the forst place DA gets your address from)

Please explain further. Did he reenlist while he was at the muster?

[Unregistered]

hey man what questionnaire are you talking about? i don't see a thing on the website or are you talking about some of the junk they sent in the mail? please explain when you can brother!

never mind you mean the tiny start button they have in the lower right hand corner.

[Captain Barbossa]

Why is this ID card so important? Some of us live nowhere near a military base anyways. But I do live near Wal-Mart, which is better than the PX.

As for the OTH for missing a muster, read the regulation. They have to first send you a certified letter to attend another muster...you have to be a no-show twice before they will punish you. Look it up.

[Unregistered]

Why is this ID card so important? Some of us live nowhere near a military base anyways. But I do live near Wal-Mart, which is better than the PX.

As for the OTH for missing a muster, read the regulation. They have to first send you a certified letter to attend another muster...you have to be a no-show twice before they will punish you. Look it up.

arrrrr! thanks for the info captain now show us one of the nine pieces of eight!

[Unregistered]

arrrrr! thanks for the info captain now show us one of the nine pieces of eight!

Ayyyy. Thar be keepin your hands of his booty!

[Unregistered]

Why is this ID card so important? Some of us live nowhere near a military base anyways. But I do live near Wal-Mart, which is better than the PX.

As for the OTH for missing a muster, read the regulation. They have to first send you a certified letter to attend another muster...you have to be a no-show twice before they will punish you. Look it up.

The ARMY is not even giving an OTH to IRR people who blow off MOB Orders so I really dought that they would even consider it to people who dont attend the dreaded muster!

[SPC]

Does anyone know if Disability affects your IRR, ie Getting released? I currently have a 70% disability rating
10% lowerback pain
10% tinnitis
10% pes plantar facitis
10% stress fractures
50% PTSD

I also went to the muster yesterday it was BS took me like 15min I live by Fort Hood so that is where I went. Basically they do nothing you go to get that check. As long as you do the Individual warrior crap on AKO all else you need them to do is pay you the stipend. I turned in my V.A. documents asked them if it would effect my IRR commintment and of course they dont know crap. "we are not HRC" Well I wondered what the hell is the point of this crap, if you dont know shit. I heard other bigger stations are doing a real SRP.

[Unregistered]

Does anyone know if Disability affects your IRR, ie Getting released? I currently have a 70% disability rating
10% lowerback pain
10% tinnitis
10% pes plantar facitis
10% stress fractures
50% PTSD

I also went to the muster yesterday it was BS took me like 15min I live by Fort Hood so that is where I went. Basically they do nothing you go to get that check. As long as you do the Individual warrior crap on AKO all else you need them to do is pay you the stipend. I turned in my V.A. documents asked them if it would effect my IRR commintment and of course they dont know crap. "we are not HRC" Well I wondered what the hell is the point of this crap, if you dont know shit. I heard other bigger stations are doing a real SRP.

Your straight... my brother in law got orders last year and he claimed it and they amended his orders... I dunno if its case by case. Hope that helped.

[Unregistered]

My friend went to Meage past weekend, called me next day that everything went well, but took almost 6+ hours. However, he called me this mornig to inform that he got letter from hrc to report to mob unit at benning, nc by sept.30 or call to defer orders. So, you know where this is going? He is 92Y and now moving to different state (probably wrong address at PO - that's the forst place DA gets your address from)

FYI... There are two kinds of musters - an accountability muster and a readiness muster. There are four scheduled readiness musters, Los Alamitos, CA was the first and Ft Meade, MD will be the last, but it hasn't happened yet! If your friend went to Ft Meade this past weekend, it was for something different. The SRP is done at the readiness muster but not at the accountability muster. The accountability takes less time, obviously. No we're not preparing to mobilize you. It's possible, but not planned. Yes I'm involved so I know for sure. You're subject to that possibility whether or not you come to a muster. We hope the Army won't need to mobilize you, but like it or not you are still in the Army.

[Unregistered]

FYI... There are two kinds of musters - an accountability muster and a readiness muster. There are four scheduled readiness musters, Los Alamitos, CA was the first and Ft Meade, MD will be the last, but it hasn't happened yet! If your friend went to Ft Meade this past weekend, it was for something different. The SRP is done at the readiness muster but not at the accountability muster. The accountability takes less time, obviously. No we're not preparing to mobilize you. It's possible, but not planned. Yes I'm involved so I know for sure. You're subject to that possibility whether or not you come to a muster. We hope the Army won't need to mobilize you, but like it or not you are still in the Army.

I understand you have a job to do. But..most of us have ETS's years ago and are no longer a soldier. I feel an obligation to my wife and child and the new business which I have started. I dont felel obligated in the least to be used as fodder in this lost cause. I dont use any ARMY benefits since Im no were near a base.
I wont be attending this muster. If sent an OTH, It will go in the trash with all the other junk mail I receive from HRC.

Thank you for your service.

[Unregistered]

Why is this ID card so important? Some of us live nowhere near a military base anyways. But I do live near Wal-Mart, which is better than the PX.

As for the OTH for missing a muster, read the regulation. They have to first send you a certified letter to attend another muster...you have to be a no-show twice before they will punish you. Look it up.

Yep, good point. There's no chance of getting an OTH from missing a muster. Don't let the fear-mongers (even those with a CIB ;-) on this site try to scare you into thinking you'll get an OTH.

The only folks who are trying to spread fear on this site are those who will try to scare you into attending a muster.

[Unregistered]

BTW: I forgot to mention.... no free hats for those that sign up. Better!!! ACU "Army of one Logo" book bags and an "Army of One" MP3 Player..................................people please.

You get a book bag? So if I sign up for college they will leave me alone rihgt? HAHAHA. Hey did they have the IRR in WWII?

[Unregistered]

Yep, good point. There's no chance of getting an OTH from missing a muster. Don't let the fear-mongers (even those with a CIB ;-) on this site try to scare you into thinking you'll get an OTH.

The only folks who are trying to spread fear on this site are those who will try to scare you into attending a muster.

Hmmm so now we have an Army of those who serve due to an irrational fear. They are the same folks who cross a street on a red light in the middle of nowhere and at midnight and still feel guilty. Are the the sort of folks we need an Army of? The easily intimidated?

[Unregistered]

"You got to war with the Army you have..."

At this point, unless there is a draft, the miliary cannot pick and choose who serves after a certain point. I have seen the most ate-up soldiers come in early 2006 and that means they were in basic in mid-late 2005. I can only imagine how things have gotten worse. I'm betting the drill sergeants and training cadre have been told "just get the bodies in." I am not exaggerating as to the state of some current recruits. 5'5, 230 pounds, none of it muscle. Cannot pass a PT test. An ELEVEN BRAVO. That's the worst one I saw. Those that were physically okay had other issues, mental, paranoid, all of them had authority issues which we were amazed that they'd graduated basic! Sucide attempts in garrison!

The thing is...

We're "lucky" to even get them! Why "lucky?" Because they're the only ones signing up! And without them, who would you have to deploy with? Too many in the non-draft military have gotten comfortable with the idea that there'd be a never ending flow of skill level one recruits and took that supply for granted. Retention MAY be on the up and up, but they keep lying or glossing over recruiting. Even if they made their "goals," what were those goals? If your goal is 1,000 new recruits a year, yeah they're going to make it! But if their goal is a number the military actually needs, one that would eliminate stop-loss and IRR recalls... obviously NOT.

A lot of people state that if you're not willing to do the full EIGHT you shouldn't've joined, get out of my army, Corps, etc. I wonder what kind of force that would look like, especially if you retroactively applied it. The military is part numbers. You need bodies, short-term, long term, and you'd do damn well to appreciate what they've done for America and stop yelling at them about what you'd rather they be doing now.

[Unregistered]

"You got to war with the Army you have..."

At this point, unless there is a draft, the miliary cannot pick and choose who serves after a certain point. I have seen the most ate-up soldiers come in early 2006 and that means they were in basic in mid-late 2005. I can only imagine how things have gotten worse. I'm betting the drill sergeants and training cadre have been told "just get the bodies in." I am not exaggerating as to the state of some current recruits. 5'5, 230 pounds, none of it muscle. Cannot pass a PT test. An ELEVEN BRAVO. That's the worst one I saw. Those that were physically okay had other issues, mental, paranoid, all of them had authority issues which we were amazed that they'd graduated basic! Sucide attempts in garrison!

The thing is...

We're "lucky" to even get them! Why "lucky?" Because they're the only ones signing up! And without them, who would you have to deploy with? Too many in the non-draft military have gotten comfortable with the idea that there'd be a never ending flow of skill level one recruits and took that supply for granted. Retention MAY be on the up and up, but they keep lying or glossing over recruiting. Even if they made their "goals," what were those goals? If your goal is 1,000 new recruits a year, yeah they're going to make it! But if their goal is a number the military actually needs, one that would eliminate stop-loss and IRR recalls... obviously NOT.

A lot of people state that if you're not willing to do the full EIGHT you shouldn't've joined, get out of my army, Corps, etc. I wonder what kind of force that would look like, especially if you retroactively applied it. The military is part numbers. You need bodies, short-term, long term, and you'd do damn well to appreciate what they've done for America and stop yelling at them about what you'd rather they be doing now.


Right on, man.

[Unregistered]

Found this on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn3k4kCXOAM

It's called "Fort Gordon to Iraq" and it's a slideshow of an IRR recallee getting trained up, on the buses, and overseas. The soldier who made it and is the subject of it can be seen clearly at the 37 second mark. He may be big, but he's going overseas...

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FYI... There are two kinds of musters - an accountability muster and a readiness muster. There are four scheduled readiness musters, Los Alamitos, CA was the first and Ft Meade, MD will be the last, but it hasn't happened yet! If your friend went to Ft Meade this past weekend, it was for something different. The SRP is done at the readiness muster but not at the accountability muster. The accountability takes less time, obviously. No we're not preparing to mobilize you. It's possible, but not planned. Yes I'm involved so I know for sure. You're subject to that possibility whether or not you come to a muster. We hope the Army won't need to mobilize you, but like it or not you are still in the Army.

intersting post. if the muster at fort meade was 6+ hours then you all are messed up in they way you handled it. and anywys why are there only for readiness musters. i really would like an explaination regarding that if the army is so interested in fixing the IRR.

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intersting post. if the muster at fort meade was 6+ hours then you all are messed up in they way you handled it. and anywys why are there only for readiness musters. i really would like an explaination regarding that if the army is so interested in fixing the IRR.

I was the one who originally posted. The answer to previous question is that my friend didn't sign up for anything. Infact, he mentioned that he is not interested in changing his IRR status in anyway. Why would he leave state and change address, if he knowingly signed up? Now, I agree with this post, my reaction is: what? readiness muster? ...wait! - and a different accountability muster? who is deploying and from which base? btw - I called (his wife confirmed that the letter read: accountability) I am pretty sure all musters read: accountability. Do you think it will take more than a sec. for that to be replaced by readiness if and when you report? or does it have to be readiness for srp? Remember: 'as per Army needs' and Army needs YOU.

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I was the one who originally posted. The answer to previous question is that my friend didn't sign up for anything. Infact, he mentioned that he is not interested in changing his IRR status in anyway. Why would he leave state and change address, if he knowingly signed up? Now, I agree with this post, my reaction is: what? readiness muster? ...wait! - and a different accountability muster? who is deploying and from which base? btw - I called (his wife confirmed that the letter read: accountability) I am pretty sure all musters read: accountability. Do you think it will take more than a sec. for that to be replaced by readiness if and when you report? or does it have to be readiness for srp? Remember: 'as per Army needs' and Army needs YOU.


Yeah, time to call the Congressmen. Nothing cuts through red tape like a Congressional Inquiry coupled with a press release.

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I was the one who originally posted. The answer to previous question is that my friend didn't sign up for anything. Infact, he mentioned that he is not interested in changing his IRR status in anyway. Why would he leave state and change address, if he knowingly signed up? Now, I agree with this post, my reaction is: what? readiness muster? ...wait! - and a different accountability muster? who is deploying and from which base? btw - I called (his wife confirmed that the letter read: accountability) I am pretty sure all musters read: accountability. Do you think it will take more than a sec. for that to be replaced by readiness if and when you report? or does it have to be readiness for srp? Remember: 'as per Army needs' and Army needs YOU.

mine read readiness muster at fort meade. oh i sense a headache coming on and that will just be from arguing with them.

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intersting post. if the muster at fort meade was 6+ hours then you all are messed up in they way you handled it. and anywys why are there only for readiness musters. i really would like an explaination regarding that if the army is so interested in fixing the IRR.

why not just make them all accountability musters? why bother having two different ones?

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why not just make them all accountability musters? why bother having two different ones?

The fact is, the decision has not yet been made as to which type muster we will be doing in the future. That decision will be made based on the results of the musters done this summer. It has been years since the IRR was required to muster but then it has been years since the Army has needed the IRR like it has during OIF. Even if many of the Soldiers in the IRR don't still consider themselves Soldiers, the Army still does. It is the responsibility of HRC-STL to ensure those Soldiers are as ready as we can. We can't require you to train regularly. We can't give you a PT test every six months. All we can do is try to keep in contact with you and ensure that you're still healthy. What we don't want to do is send a mobilization order to a Soldiers last known address only to find out he/she died in a car accident three or four months earlier. When it comes to what has happened to you since you got off active duty or out of the SELRES, we don't know if someone doesn't tell us.

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The fact is, the decision has not yet been made as to which type muster we will be doing in the future. That decision will be made based on the results of the musters done this summer. It has been years since the IRR was required to muster but then it has been years since the Army has needed the IRR like it has during OIF. Even if many of the Soldiers in the IRR don't still consider themselves Soldiers, the Army still does. It is the responsibility of HRC-STL to ensure those Soldiers are as ready as we can. We can't require you to train regularly. We can't give you a PT test every six months. All we can do is try to keep in contact with you and ensure that you're still healthy. What we don't want to do is send a mobilization order to a Soldiers last known address only to find out he/she died in a car accident three or four months earlier. When it comes to what has happened to you since you got off active duty or out of the SELRES, we don't know if someone doesn't tell us.

This is exactly why many of us got out. You can only jerk people around so far and then have the gall to act surprised when folks don't come back. I don't question the patriotism of those that made the decision to stay IN or get out. But if you really want to win over hearts and minds, you've got to be honest and forthright. Sorry, but that's part of the job when you have an ALL-VOLUNTEER force in a Democracy.

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Yes I just got of the army about 6 months ago active duty with the 173rd abn brigade. I did 3 years with a tour overseas. I just got some dumb ass orders saying that I am to report to some reserve unit in another state. The man who sent the orders had his telephone # on them so I called him. He told me that this is something new that is coming down and that I am gonna have to go. What a bunch of bullshit. He did say that with this new thing that they are trying to do is get IRR soldiers in a unit instead of floating around. I told him I would rather float around and take my chances of being called back then be at a unit and take a chance there. The kicker is that I have to do this thing once a month like a reserve soldier and he told me that I can go up there and tell them that I dont want to come back if I dont want to and be put back in the floating system. So I called the unit and was talking to them and they told me that I couldnt do that and I am with them now. Well what a bunch of horse shit. I am not a reservist I did not swear in or sign any damn papers. What a bunch of bullshit. You dont know how mad I am. I was a 11b and now i am gonna be some paper pusher. What the hell. IF anybody has any kind of insight please reply because I just may get thrown in jail this coming weekend. I gave the army a good 3 years and would have died for my country and this is the shit I get. Now I know I have a duty to do for 8 years but come on. Trying to make me be a reservist and I didnt even sign any papers.

I already posted this but am reposting it for the lazy people who haven't bothered to read the 60+ pages of post.




"The IRR, as it exists, is mandated by Congress under Title 10 of the U.S. Code. In accordance with implementing instructions contained in Army Regulation 135-91"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...y/usar-irr.htm


AR 135-91
6-2 Unsatisfactory participation enforcement procedures
C. An officer or enlisted soldier assigned to the IRR then-
(2) The enlisted soldier will be processed for discharge per AR 135–178, chapter 13.

http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r135_91.pdf

AR 135-178
13-3 Characterization of service
a. Characterization of service normally will be Under Other Than Honorable Conditions, but characterization as General (under honorable conditions) may be warranted under the guidelines in chapter 2, section III.

http://www.usapa.army.mil/pdffiles/r135_178.pdf


I.e. the WORST they can possibly do is kick you out with an OTH which doesn't matter worth a damn if you never want to be involved with the military again.

[PFC 3yrs AD]

That was me that just posted...all that is considering *IF* you are STILL in the IRR and have not signed any reservist papers. If you were stupid enough to sign reservist papers those specific regs no longer apply to you.

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"A lot of people state that if you're not willing to do the full EIGHT you shouldn't've joined, get out of my army, Corps, etc. I wonder what kind of force that would look like, especially if you retroactively applied it. The military is part numbers. You need bodies, short-term, long term, and you'd do damn well to appreciate what they've done for America and stop yelling at them about what you'd rather they be doing now."

I couldn't agree more with the first part of this statement. Nothing pisses me of quite like a bunch of jackass retards, who are afraid of the real world outside the Army, telling me if I don't want to serve the full eight years I shouldn't have joined. Most people reenlist because they have developed a dependence on the Army, not because they feel they have an obligation to serve. Place in big as print “8 YEAR OBLIGATION" on the top of a contract and see how many people sign it. I sure as shit wouldn't have. The Army is nothing but a bunch of sneaky bastards, on every level. From the contracts to stop loss and extended tours, the fun never seems to end. Now we have this muster (still wondering if it's going to be yellow French or spicy Gulden's). This type of shady move is a great example of why I got the hell out of the Army in the first place. Christ, just leave me the fuck alone.

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"A lot of people state that if you're not willing to do the full EIGHT you shouldn't've joined, get out of my army, Corps, etc. I wonder what kind of force that would look like, especially if you retroactively applied it. The military is part numbers. You need bodies, short-term, long term, and you'd do damn well to appreciate what they've done for America and stop yelling at them about what you'd rather they be doing now."

I couldn't agree more with the first part of this statement. Nothing pisses me of quite like a bunch of jackass retards, who are afraid of the real world outside the Army, telling me if I don't want to serve the full eight years I shouldn't have joined. Most people reenlist because they have developed a dependence on the Army, not because they feel they have an obligation to serve. Place in big as print “8 YEAR OBLIGATION" on the top of a contract and see how many people sign it. I sure as shit wouldn't have. The Army is nothing but a bunch of sneaky bastards, on every level. From the contracts to stop loss and extended tours, the fun never seems to end. Now we have this muster (still wondering if it's going to be yellow French or spicy Gulden's). This type of shady move is a great example of why I got the hell out of the Army in the first place. Christ, just leave me the fuck alone.

I started to think it was like a prison mentality. "How long you been in...". I really do think some can't see life outside of the uniform and then there are the lifers...

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks

[Mr. Scary CIB]

Yep, good point. There's no chance of getting an OTH from missing a muster. Don't let the fear-mongers (even those with a CIB ;-) on this site try to scare you into thinking you'll get an OTH.

The only folks who are trying to spread fear on this site are those who will try to scare you into attending a muster.

My letter was not by certified mail. If the reg says that two contact attempts have to be made before any UCMJ actions can take place, that is what has to be done. I don't know, I'm not a JAG. Either way, I would find it odd that they could OTH you out on an AWOL for a one day muster.
I did find it odd that my orders weren't by certified mail but they were orders none the less. Either way, I wasn't willing to sacrifice my benefits, even if it was some bullshit ploy to get me to reenlist. All of you can take it as you like but I went and it was a waste of time. What I got from it was this - the Army is desperate for people and they are basically begging anybody and everybody to join or reenlist.

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks

Spot on. Good Post.

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Spot on. Good Post.

Thank you. Hopefully someone at HRC will catch it before it gets stuck in the middle of this thread. If so Quote it and lets keep it up front so it can be seen.

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Thank you. Hopefully someone at HRC will catch it before it gets stuck in the middle of this thread. If so Quote it and lets keep it up front so it can be seen.

As General Franks said, "Hope is not a strategy." I'll copy it and send to my Congressmen.

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks


Poster above this one. Thanks.. I'll write mine as well with same intent.

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I got the muster duty notice as well.

My ETS was 1 JAN 2007 and MOS: 68/91E (Dental Specialist).

I called the telephone number listed and it is a "reserve station" on Fort Hood. I have an appointment this Saturday (July 21) at 11am. The "recruiter/counselor" stated that if all of my paperwork was correct, I could be in and out within an hour. We'll see if that holds true.

I'll post up the results afterwards.

Thanks for all of the posters in this thread - the information (even if false) is still appreciated.

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I got the muster duty notice as well.

My ETS was 1 JAN 2007 and MOS: 68/91E (Dental Specialist).

I called the telephone number listed and it is a "reserve station" on Fort Hood. I have an appointment this Saturday (July 21) at 11am. The "recruiter/counselor" stated that if all of my paperwork was correct, I could be in and out within an hour. We'll see if that holds true.

I'll post up the results afterwards.

Thanks for all of the posters in this thread - the information (even if false) is still appreciated.

yeah there is alot of info flying around this board. i will be going soon as well. best to all!

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I got the muster duty notice as well.

My ETS was 1 JAN 2007 and MOS: 68/91E (Dental Specialist).

I called the telephone number listed and it is a "reserve station" on Fort Hood. I have an appointment this Saturday (July 21) at 11am. The "recruiter/counselor" stated that if all of my paperwork was correct, I could be in and out within an hour. We'll see if that holds true.

I'll post up the results afterwards.

Thanks for all of the posters in this thread - the information (even if false) is still appreciated.

I went to my Muster today and it only lasted 40 minutes, no blood draw no physical just a Reservist/Counselor asking me to join the reserves and I would get my time of three years inactive down to 1 and a half. Also I would me I would not get mobilize for 24 months. Hmmm add that up ten years not mobolize, my inactive time cut to a year and a half. Ya right Captain Dickanus trying to screw us is all there doing.

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If they want to give me a commission I'll stick around.

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Here's what's been recently posted to the Navy Personnel Command website -

https://www.npc.navy.mil/AboutUs/NPC/PublicAffairs/NewsDetails/IRRAnnualMuster07-2007.htm

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Here's what's been recently posted to the Navy Personnel Command website -

https://www.npc.navy.mil/AboutUs/NPC/PublicAffairs/NewsDetails/IRRAnnualMuster07-2007.htm

They sure seem to think the MWR, PX, Commissary benefits will have folks beating down the door to sign back up. Bizarre.

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One thing I just don't get is the indifference people have toward the IRR recalled. "Suck it up, hooah?" "You signed up for this, didn't you?" "We're at war and mission first!" There is no apology, no thank you (there sure wasn't for a whole stop-lossed year & a half), no compensation (I mean, s--t, there's jump pay, right, why not We ripped you out of your civilian life and shoved you back in Iraq-pay?), no effort to fix the problem, even when a one/two time veteran IRR recalled soldier gets to a MOB/pre-deploy station and is processed by soldiers, many of higher rank/pay who HAVEN'T deployed yet. I have friends still in the Army who can't deploy because of serious medical issues. BUT, I know one I'd love to have had on the last trip because he's my friend, misery loves company, and he would've been FINE as a TOCroach or FOBbit. No matter your condition, you hear that cartoon mortar sound, you can MOVE! Another thing is that the troops they have over there, that they "don't have enough of?" Is bull----. They have enough TROOPS. They don't have enough who leave the wire. The brass and especially CSMs' garrison-ization of the FOBs have created a NEVERENDING number of duties and chickens--t details which sap up manpower and take up soldiers' downtime. Haji-guard, and more haji-guard. Guard this guy. Guard the haji-shop. Guard the chow hall, make sure everyone has an ID and proper headgear. Police call the burn pit. Mow the grass in front of the TOC. 100 details, but you have 80 soldiers, 30 who are going to be doing ALL of it, in between force protection, missions, sleep and eating. But again, that's picking on fellow servicemembers when the problem is civilians who take everything for granted in America.

Regarding this seemingly benign punishment known as OTH, does anyone know if the future recall non-attendees will be punished further? I know the point previous poster made about not being able to jail THOUSANDS of veterans due to bad PR and lack of cell space, but because of the importance of the next "surge for the surge" and the need for replacements for the current surge, wou would think the brass would be again re-interpreting the rules/law in their favor again, or simply coming up with new stuff based on "needs of the Army."

"Needs of the Army?" Army seems to need some new blood. Recruiters on Capitol Hill anyone? White House?

"Suck it up?" Sorry, we're in a Don't Ask Don't Tell Military and my mouth and a--hole is all worn out. I hate the big green dildo.

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One thing I just don't get is the indifference people have toward the IRR recalled. "Suck it up, hooah?" "You signed up for this, didn't you?" "We're at war and mission first!" There is no apology, no thank you (there sure wasn't for a whole stop-lossed year & a half), no compensation (I mean, s--t, there's jump pay, right, why not We ripped you out of your civilian life and shoved you back in Iraq-pay?), no effort to fix the problem, even when a one/two time veteran IRR recalled soldier gets to a MOB/pre-deploy station and is processed by soldiers, many of higher rank/pay who HAVEN'T deployed yet. I have friends still in the Army who can't deploy because of serious medical issues. BUT, I know one I'd love to have had on the last trip because he's my friend, misery loves company, and he would've been FINE as a TOCroach or FOBbit. No matter your condition, you hear that cartoon mortar sound, you can MOVE! Another thing is that the troops they have over there, that they "don't have enough of?" Is bull----. They have enough TROOPS. They don't have enough who leave the wire. The brass and especially CSMs' garrison-ization of the FOBs have created a NEVERENDING number of duties and chickens--t details which sap up manpower and take up soldiers' downtime. Haji-guard, and more haji-guard. Guard this guy. Guard the haji-shop. Guard the chow hall, make sure everyone has an ID and proper headgear. Police call the burn pit. Mow the grass in front of the TOC. 100 details, but you have 80 soldiers, 30 who are going to be doing ALL of it, in between force protection, missions, sleep and eating. But again, that's picking on fellow servicemembers when the problem is civilians who take everything for granted in America.

Regarding this seemingly benign punishment known as OTH, does anyone know if the future recall non-attendees will be punished further? I know the point previous poster made about not being able to jail THOUSANDS of veterans due to bad PR and lack of cell space, but because of the importance of the next "surge for the surge" and the need for replacements for the current surge, wou would think the brass would be again re-interpreting the rules/law in their favor again, or simply coming up with new stuff based on "needs of the Army."

"Needs of the Army?" Army seems to need some new blood. Recruiters on Capitol Hill anyone? White House?

"Suck it up?" Sorry, we're in a Don't Ask Don't Tell Military and my mouth and a--hole is all worn out. I hate the big green dildo.

take your Suck it up, hooah and shove it up your ass...loser! anyways war is alwyas bad either way you look at it but when you have pathetic leadership it makes it worse. so until bush is out of office, which i will have a party when it happens, you can be a war lover all you want

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"Do you think you're one of the IRR mentioned here? Should the Army have done this long ago? Should this have been done before extending tours to 15 months? Whatcha think?"

So in answer to the original post, I'm thinking the participants in this forum say no...

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i went to my muster yesterday and yes all they did was try and pitch me on reupping but thats what they get paid to do. My concern now is since I showed up does that make me a candidate for involuntary recall?? But anyways until that happens I guess I'll just wait a bit and see how things go

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks

Great Post!!

[Captain Barbossa]

[QUOTE=Unregistered;50656]The brass and especially CSMs' garrison-ization of the FOBs have created a NEVERENDING number of duties and chickens--t details which sap up manpower and take up soldiers' downtime. Haji-guard, and more haji-guard. Guard this guy. Guard the haji-shop. Guard the chow hall, make sure everyone has an ID and proper headgear. Police call the burn pit. Mow the grass in front of the TOC. 100 details, but you have 80 soldiers, 30 who are going to be doing ALL of it, in between force protection, missions, sleep and eating.[QUOTE]


You're right on with this. One of their biggest concerns was wearing PT belts to the chow hall. And why do you need to wear "eye protection" at all times on the fob....monthly inventories of bullets... 100% layouts. Mandatory wear of your ACU top to the porta john.....where am I going to hang it up in there when I am shitting? And there was a CSM in Baghdad who never left the fob and walked around in his perfectly pressed DCU's. E-7s in charge of Haji guard got Bronze stars while squad leaders running convoys get ARCOM's.

This is the kind of crap that ensures I would never even think about going back.

[Unregistered]

Hey guys, no need for acrimony here. We're all one team, let's fight one fight.

My argument for people who do don't want to show up: it's a free country. I did two tours on active duty, and people have been asking me for years, and continue to ask me, "don't you get mad about people that don't support the war/ Soldiers?" My opinion is: at least support the Soldiers, if not the war, and I think everyone can agree on that here.

But there's a central message there-- we all fought and served to protect our way of life. In America, that phrase means we all get a lot of free choices. I fought everyday against sons-of-bitches terrorists to protect the freedom of speech of fellow Americans, whether they chose to support me or not, because that is one of the great things about our nation.

In this context, IRR members should have a choice of whether or not to report, and its no one else's place to judge. If you believe in a free country, then let IRR members make up their mind about showing up because its the right thing to do.

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"A lot of people state that if you're not willing to do the full EIGHT you shouldn't've joined, get out of my army, Corps, etc. I wonder what kind of force that would look like, especially if you retroactively applied it. The military is part numbers. You need bodies, short-term, long term, and you'd do damn well to appreciate what they've done for America and stop yelling at them about what you'd rather they be doing now."

I couldn't agree more with the first part of this statement. Nothing pisses me of quite like a bunch of jackass retards, who are afraid of the real world outside the Army, telling me if I don't want to serve the full eight years I shouldn't have joined. Most people reenlist because they have developed a dependence on the Army, not because they feel they have an obligation to serve. Place in big as print “8 YEAR OBLIGATION" on the top of a contract and see how many people sign it. I sure as shit wouldn't have. The Army is nothing but a bunch of sneaky bastards, on every level. From the contracts to stop loss and extended tours, the fun never seems to end. Now we have this muster (still wondering if it's going to be yellow French or spicy Gulden's). This type of shady move is a great example of why I got the hell out of the Army in the first place. Christ, just leave me the fuck alone.


Good post! I agree and think the reason the ARMY is not going after people that refuse to report to the IRR Mobilizations is because the military doesnt want to publisize the fact that everyone signs up for 8 years. Not the 2, 3 or 4 years that the average teenager thinks there signing up for. I can see the Lifers jumping up and down right now saying, "suck it up and drive on" to those I say, enjoy your deployments! You want to retire, then earn it. I did my 2 years and dont plan on going back. By the way that 2 years is longer than 95% has served in our country. I never updated my info so Im not on the radar. But I dont trust the ARMY anymore. The 24 month stabilization is a fantasy. Dont join the reserves or guard, just run the clock out on your MSO and be happy.

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2 years is longer than 95% has served in our country.

Exactly. When the rest of the population serves instead of watching celebrity news, then maybe I would think about mustering.

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[QUOTE=Unregistered;50656]The brass and especially CSMs' garrison-ization of the FOBs have created a NEVERENDING number of duties and chickens--t details which sap up manpower and take up soldiers' downtime. Haji-guard, and more haji-guard. Guard this guy. Guard the haji-shop. Guard the chow hall, make sure everyone has an ID and proper headgear. Police call the burn pit. Mow the grass in front of the TOC. 100 details, but you have 80 soldiers, 30 who are going to be doing ALL of it, in between force protection, missions, sleep and eating.[QUOTE]


You're right on with this. One of their biggest concerns was wearing PT belts to the chow hall. And why do you need to wear "eye protection" at all times on the fob....monthly inventories of bullets... 100% layouts. Mandatory wear of your ACU top to the porta john.....where am I going to hang it up in there when I am shitting? And there was a CSM in Baghdad who never left the fob and walked around in his perfectly pressed DCU's. E-7s in charge of Haji guard got Bronze stars while squad leaders running convoys get ARCOM's.

This is the kind of crap that ensures I would never even think about going back.


you are damn straight. amen to that....

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The fact is, the decision has not yet been made as to which type muster we will be doing in the future. That decision will be made based on the results of the musters done this summer. It has been years since the IRR was required to muster but then it has been years since the Army has needed the IRR like it has during OIF. Even if many of the Soldiers in the IRR don't still consider themselves Soldiers, the Army still does. It is the responsibility of HRC-STL to ensure those Soldiers are as ready as we can. We can't require you to train regularly. We can't give you a PT test every six months. All we can do is try to keep in contact with you and ensure that you're still healthy. What we don't want to do is send a mobilization order to a Soldiers last known address only to find out he/she died in a car accident three or four months earlier. When it comes to what has happened to you since you got off active duty or out of the SELRES, we don't know if someone doesn't tell us.

Why is an entire page of the IW questionnaire devoted to questions about whether you'd be interested in volunteering for various reserve components? How is it in any way appropriate to gather that information for an accountability muster? Why would that information be part of a soldier's record?

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Why is an entire page of the IW questionnaire devoted to questions about whether you'd be interested in volunteering for various reserve components? How is it in any way appropriate to gather that information for an accountability muster? Why would that information be part of a soldier's record?

Why would they punish the American soldier for wartime service? Try Bud Dry and lay off with all the questions. I'm sure OIF will go great as soon as the ranks are swollen with demoralized, undisciplined, out-of-shape, poorly trained and openly rebellious IRR draftees. Fucking A-1 brilliant.
Last I checked, we'll still need an army 10 years from now, OIF or not. That'll be pretty hard when it's only lifers with that welfare-recipient mentality that leads to lawn-mowing details in theater.

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Just take a peek at this video on the current administration before you decide on the muster...

Feel free to repost.

Thank you

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/64513/detail/

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Any idea where I can find another copy of the direct deposit form that came with the muster orders?

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We all signed a contract and knew the stipulations behind it. I do get tired of all the lying, but hey that is what politics is all about. You have a choice go AWOL or do your duty, if you have a problem with it face the consequences and quit bitching.

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To the last poster who said we must follow the contract:

The contract arguement isn't working buddy. Being stop-lossed showed me the "contract" is only for their conveniance. Go ahead, go "perform your duty" and serve george bush. I'm sure if you were German and it was the 1940's, you would have gladly followed Hitler as well. Don't think for yourself, go "surging" with ol' GW.

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So is it the consensus that the whole "two years of deploment stabilization" if you join a TPU is a hoax, and won't be honored, or is it just likely they will stop-loss you at the end of your "stability?" If you have 2 or more years IRR still, is that a bad move?

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So is it the consensus that the whole "two years of deploment stabilization" if you join a TPU is a hoax, and won't be honored, or is it just likely they will stop-loss you at the end of your "stability?" If you have 2 or more years IRR still, is that a bad move?

It would still come down to "the needs of the Army" catch-all.

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Arrrr....They will indeed stabilize you for the 2 years. Its the stop-loss afterwards that is worrisome.

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So is it the consensus that the whole "two years of deploment stabilization" if you join a TPU is a hoax, and won't be honored, or is it just likely they will stop-loss you at the end of your "stability?" If you have 2 or more years IRR still, is that a bad move?

Like many others before me in this thread, I won't pretend to know the answer to this question... Just pretend for a minute that it is true though, then remember that there is an exception to everything. The policy may be that there is a 24 month stabilization period, but that can be changed - dare I say it - based on the needs of the Army. If you're one of the many here that want to hide and let your clock run out then you don't want to join a TPU.
These musters really are just that... musters. There is nothing tied to your coming to it or not coming to it that keys your name or SSN to pop up on a list to be mobilized. That is not to say that you won't be mobilized ever, regardless of whether or not you show up. If DA G3 tasks HRC-STL to mobilize 23 E-4 underwater basket weavers, then that's what is going to happen. The 25 that might have attended the muster would hopefully not be required to waste as much time at all the SRP stations. If there are only 40 underwater basket weavers in the IRR, then some of those who attended the muster would be in the 23 that are mobilized... Basic math - not a conspiracy!

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Like many others before me in this thread, I won't pretend to know the answer to this question... Just pretend for a minute that it is true though, then remember that there is an exception to everything. The policy may be that there is a 24 month stabilization period, but that can be changed - dare I say it - based on the needs of the Army. If you're one of the many here that want to hide and let your clock run out then you don't want to join a TPU.
These musters really are just that... musters. There is nothing tied to your coming to it or not coming to it that keys your name or SSN to pop up on a list to be mobilized. That is not to say that you won't be mobilized ever, regardless of whether or not you show up. If DA G3 tasks HRC-STL to mobilize 23 E-4 underwater basket weavers, then that's what is going to happen. The 25 that might have attended the muster would hopefully not be required to waste as much time at all the SRP stations. If there are only 40 underwater basket weavers in the IRR, then some of those who attended the muster would be in the 23 that are mobilized... Basic math - not a conspiracy!

Holy crap dude!!!! That was my MOS, you don't those orders are actually going to come down do you?

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Hey guys, no need for acrimony here. We're all one team, let's fight one fight.

My argument for people who do don't want to show up: it's a free country. I did two tours on active duty, and people have been asking me for years, and continue to ask me, "don't you get mad about people that don't support the war/ Soldiers?" My opinion is: at least support the Soldiers, if not the war, and I think everyone can agree on that here.



The problem with this is that the "support our troops" movement is abused as a "support the war" movement. In reality the best way to "support the troops" would be to end the war so that the troops are not stuck in Iraq killing and dying for no good reason. How is taking a reservist and having him deploy every few years supporting our troops? How are 15 month deployments with less than 12 months between deployments supporting our troops? How is pulling people from IRR who have transitioned to civilian life and sending them back to Iraq supporting our troops? The fact is that this war was started based on lies; there were no WMD, Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda, we are not really establishing a free and democratic government in Iraq, and America is not safer as a result of the war. Rather than supporting the war a better way to support our troops is to support impeachment.

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This synopsis came from the official Stop Loss website - www.stop-loss.com:

Decorated Iraq war hero Sgt. Brandon King (Ryan Phillipe) makes a celebrated return to his small Texas hometown following his tour of duty. Brandon tries to resume the life he left behind with the help and support of his loving family, and his best friend, Steve Shriver, who served with Brandon in Iraq. Alongside their war-time buddies, Brandon and Steve try to make peace with civilian life. Then, against Brandon's will, under a measure called "Stop Loss," the Army indefinitely extends Brandon's enlistment and forces him back to Iraq. This upends Brandon's entire world, and sends him to one of the only people he can trust: his childhood friend – and Steve's fiancée – Michele. Michele becomes Brandon's confidante and accomplice as he races across the U.S. – a fugitive from justice in the country he fought to protect – in search of a way out of his predicament.

I am eagerly awaiting this film but wish its timing were better. It is supposed to be released on 28 March 2008, which is too far away for the message it needs to get out to joe six pack and mary j sunshine. The director also did 'Boys Don't Cry' which got Oscar cred to it and will hopefully raise more awareness and scrutiny of current military service policies. Also, from what I gather, what happens to the films antagonist sounds more like an IRR recall rather than "regular" stop-loss, but I think the public will see it and apply hate towards both underhanded practices.

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"No one is getting recalled"??? Where the hell have you been the last 4 years, dipshit! The Army has recalled tens of thousands of IRR's, you just won't hear about it on Fox News.

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Now, I am pro-gun, which means I do not blame the gun for the actions of its shooter, by that token, I don't try and blame an IED for its end result when it was the f--king insurgent planter who is the killer. That said, it is only human to want to assign blame and since the brass couldn't properly punish the insurgents who grabbed our 10th Mountain guys who were tortured and murdered, they placed blame on the 10th Mountain soldiers' leaders. I could agree with that partially and only IF those leaders f--ked up THAT badly, which they probably didn't. But these guys...

http://thinkprogress.org/the-architects-where-are-they-now/

It lists who thought up, engineered, "planned" OIF, and what they're doing now. Now I am not making any threats here, and will not break any laws, but I have to tell you, I can easily see some fellow infantryman, or any other motivated soldier or Marine, pull a Timothy McVeigh and put a 7.62 in some of these guys. Hell, I could see someone introducing some irony by using an IED to snuff them. They have seriously messed up and far from paying for it, apologizing, making amends, they're living the good life, spending time with thier families, writing MEMOIRS, spending bankrolls, all stuff the guys and girls they sent to war will never get to do, least fo all our fallen. If I were one of them, I'd avoid anyone in a uniform or looks like they went to Iraq, military haircut, perpetual scowl, missing a limb, etc...

Now, I am pro-gun, which means I do not blame the gun for the actions of its shooter, by that token, I don't try and blame an IED for its end result when it was the f--king insurgent planter who is the killer. That said, it is only human to want to assign blame and since the brass couldn't properly punish the insurgents who grabbed our 10th Mountain guys who were tortured and murdered, they placed blame on the 10th Mountain soldiers' leaders.

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We all signed a contract and knew the stipulations behind it. I do get tired of all the lying, but hey that is what politics is all about. You have a choice go AWOL or do your duty, if you have a problem with it face the consequences and quit bitching.


Idiot. Shove your contract up your ass you Nazi

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Idiot. Shove your contract up your ass you Nazi

i totally agree with you. i am going to the muster but i will ignore any other orders i receive. i am going to take there measley money and then drop off the face of the earth!

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Let's all hope that we are the tail end of the unknowing. Everyone who gets off active duty today should receive a complete and proper briefing as to what the IRR is and what WILL be expected of them. They can spend the next few years not making solid plans.

But I'll say this. If you do two years and have six in the IRR, but only 10 to use your GI Bill, the better darned well extend a few of the programs so they don't go bye-bye.

And in 7 years when they call up the IRR it should be NO SURPRISE to its members!

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Maybe the Army should just do away with the IRR and what you serve is it. Need folks for a total of 8 years. 8 year terms. Only need them for two? 2-year MSOs and so on.

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Maybe the Army should just do away with the IRR and what you serve is it. Need folks for a total of 8 years. 8 year terms. Only need them for two? 2-year MSOs and so on.

I agree. I cant see kids joining in the numbers the Army needs if they are on the hook for 8 years. Recruiters are still downplaying the 8 yr MSO to kids. My neighbors daughter was thinking about joining the Navy for the 15 month enlistment. When I told her she was signing an 8 year contract she said the recruiter said nothing about that. Based on that, she declined to join. So I think you will see more people not signing up because of this issue.

There has always been a 6 or 8 yr MSO but now the military is actually holding people to this and calling them back at 7.5 yrs. Not good for recruiting!

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I agree. I cant see kids joining in the numbers the Army needs if they are on the hook for 8 years. Recruiters are still downplaying the 8 yr MSO to kids. My neighbors daughter was thinking about joining the Navy for the 15 month enlistment. When I told her she was signing an 8 year contract she said the recruiter said nothing about that. Based on that, she declined to join. So I think you will see more people not signing up because of this issue.

There has always been a 6 or 8 yr MSO but now the military is actually holding people to this and calling them back at 7.5 yrs. Not good for recruiting!

they won't do that because that is to easy for them to do. they have to make it difficult just like everything else the army and the bush administration do

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Where is everyone getting their Military service Ob"Blow"gation? Looking at my DD214 alls I see is a reserve Ob"Blow"gation. Is this the same?

I signed papers in Feburary, and my reserve oblogation is up the same date. Is this the same?

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The problem with this is that the "support our troops" movement is abused as a "support the war" movement. In reality the best way to "support the troops" would be to end the war so that the troops are not stuck in Iraq killing and dying for no good reason. How is taking a reservist and having him deploy every few years supporting our troops? How are 15 month deployments with less than 12 months between deployments supporting our troops? How is pulling people from IRR who have transitioned to civilian life and sending them back to Iraq supporting our troops? The fact is that this war was started based on lies; there were no WMD, Iraq had no ties to Al-Qaeda, we are not really establishing a free and democratic government in Iraq, and America is not safer as a result of the war. Rather than supporting the war a better way to support our troops is to support impeachment.

That was my post you quoted originally-- and for what its worth, I agree 100% about the premises of this war. I used to get p-o'd all the time over Bush and everything else, but these days that kind of retrospect is losing any purpose. At this point, I would be surprised if an impeachment hearing got anything done any quicker than to just wait for Bush to leave office. Besides, an impeachment hearing right now would detract from the effort to bring the troops home.

I agree with the support the troops vs. support the war thing as well. GOP leaders smokescreen supporting the war by saying support the troops, and that is a dirty tactic. I hate when so-called political leaders purposely cloud citizens' judgment by trying to incite everyone's inner patriotism and scare us into thinking that we will be the ones that suffer if we pull out of Iraq.

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That was my post you quoted originally-- and for what its worth, I agree 100% about the premises of this war. I used to get p-o'd all the time over Bush and everything else, but these days that kind of retrospect is losing any purpose. At this point, I would be surprised if an impeachment hearing got anything done any quicker than to just wait for Bush to leave office. Besides, an impeachment hearing right now would detract from the effort to bring the troops home.

I agree with the support the troops vs. support the war thing as well. GOP leaders smokescreen supporting the war by saying support the troops, and that is a dirty tactic. I hate when so-called political leaders purposely cloud citizens' judgment by trying to incite everyone's inner patriotism and scare us into thinking that we will be the ones that suffer if we pull out of Iraq.

and when election time rolls around the republicans are gonna pay for it and if they don't know they will find out sure enough! anyways i think taking away the funding will get someone's attention. i understand your support the troops theory but enough is enough already

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http://www.blackanthem.com/News/U_S_Military_19/SMA_Preston_Tours_not_be_to_extended_beyond_15_mon ths8598.shtml

No offense to SMA Preston, but how can they guarantee this? Some election, event, some mix-up in relief, and you're telling me they'll just up and go regardless of the "situation on the ground?" That's the problem when you've been decieved/minorly tricked/hood-winked once before. Credibility is strained if not gone and we have a hard time trusting the Army.

On another note, this sort of tact makes it look like they want soldiers to 'appreciate' their fifteen months...as it is SURELY better than the eighteen months they won't give them. Kind of a lowered expectations thing.

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I just got back from my Muster and lets say they ALMOST tricked me. Im glad i came to this site. I was worried that sence there was only 1 other person there that we were for sure on the list to be called up. Im glad I know know that congress has to approve large number of soldiers called up and that they cant seem to agree on anything at the moment. So I say that i will wait this out and see what happens.

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We all signed a contract and knew the stipulations behind it. I do get tired of all the lying, but hey that is what politics is all about. You have a choice go AWOL or do your duty, if you have a problem with it face the consequences and quit bitching.

The contract EVERYONE signs states that you are subject to recall out of the IRR if Congress declares war or a national emergency. Congress authorized force and did not declare war in the cases of both Iraq and Afghanistan, and, last I checked, the army itself has characterized everything after OIFI and OEFI "stabilization operations." This is not just semantics.
The commonsensical reading of that clause is that if CONUS is attacked or we are otherwise provoked then you're back in boots, not that you sit on the bench for whenever a manpower shortage arises in an ongoing occupation operation. I'm sure most of the IRR would volunteer instead of waiting on mobilization orders if Congress were to declare war--say, with Iran or North Korea.
So is the national emergency 9/11? Can an emergency last 6 years? Can it last 30 years? Words don't mean whatever you want them to. Most of the people now in the IRR volunteered after 9/11, but it's apparently acceptable to screw them over with weaslely lawyering.
Everyone signed that contract with the understanding that they could be mobilized in the event of a crisis or an attack, not that they'd warm the bench to fill in gaps created by incompetent personnel mismanagement.
"Needs of the army?" If this is the case, I suppose the army could tear combat veterans away from their families, jobs and lives if they needed to have a bakesale this weekend. Which may happen, if Congress ever carries out that threat of cutting off funding.

Those of you in G3 or HRC-STL who would abuse the IRR and exploit the good faith of teenage enlistees who obviously don't have jurisdoctorates and fully understand the ramifications of legal loopholes, you have no honor, integrity or respect for service.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

Great Post!!!!!! Shows you what kind of people will be running our nation 10 to 15 years from now...

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

This is a video of College Republicans who support the war but luckily have a number of really pathetic excuses for not being able to serve. (psst...it's because they're sissies)

If you muster, you will be recalled. If you're recalled, these are the people you're fighting for - the people who "support" you.

Why are you fighting for them if they wouldn't fight for you?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

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Great Post!!!!!! Shows you what kind of people will be running our nation 10 to 15 years from now...

Not if pissed off veterans have anything to say about it...

I hear one of these oxygen thieves when I return to college this fall, "shit's gonna blow up like the Godfather!"

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To the last poster who said we must follow the contract:

The contract arguement isn't working buddy. Being stop-lossed showed me the "contract" is only for their conveniance. Go ahead, go "perform your duty" and serve george bush. I'm sure if you were German and it was the 1940's, you would have gladly followed Hitler as well. Don't think for yourself, go "surging" with ol' GW.


great response. Hitler would love these guys.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

Where do I get the bumper sticker?

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Where do I get the bumper sticker?

Loved how there assholes puckered up when asked why aren't they serving

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks
haven't seen a response to this from hrc

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haven't seen a response to this from hrc

Keep us posted...it will be very interesting if they choose not to respond.

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Great link! Bring back mandatory 2 years of service!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

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I'm a Republican and that video reminds me of all those armchair quarterbacks we have. I love the, like, part of the video, like, where the guy, like, thinks he will, like, be a public speaker!

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I'm a Republican and that video reminds me of all those armchair quarterbacks we have. I love the, like, part of the video, like, where the guy, like, thinks he will, like, be a public speaker!

well i guess we got off the original subject. anyone who has gone to there musters recently please post your experience. thank you.

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well i guess we got off the original subject. anyone who has gone to there musters recently please post your experience. thank you.

On the IW portal questionnaire, they ask you what sort of reserve unit you'be interested in joining. How can they record that information as part of your file? That's not just for recruiting reasons--they ask it as part of your official readiness file.

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On the IW portal questionnaire, they ask you what sort of reserve unit you'be interested in joining. How can they record that information as part of your file? That's not just for recruiting reasons--they ask it as part of your official readiness file.

i think i bypassed that question and still was able to print out the certificate. i also know you cannot change your responses if you make a mistake when all is said and printed out. likei wanted to change a phone number because my work number changed....it owuld not let me do it so i changed it on the actual reserve record.

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Great link! Bring back mandatory 2 years of service!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html

Wow, this video is totally in line with the muster discussion. Why should we muster when these college kid elites claim they "support" us and then say they'd never serve in uniform?

Would should we muster and fight for them? These sissies would never do the same for us - or their country.

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Wow, this video is totally in line with the muster discussion. Why should we muster when these college kid elites claim they "support" us and then say they'd never serve in uniform?

Would should we muster and fight for them? These sissies would never do the same for us - or their country.

how true you are my friend!

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Any idea where I can find another copy of the direct deposit form that came with the muster orders?

You can have mine

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Where do I get the bumper sticker?

http://www.cafepress.com/civilianism

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You can have mine

LOL! Yeah, you can have just about anyone's... No one's going.

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King George W. Bush?

George W. Bush has declared himself a dictator of the United States and is taking powers for himself that are specifically not in the Constitutation.

Bush recently issued a new secret memo that he sees as law. This act is Unconstitutional and Impeachable. By definition, the executive branch doesn't have the ability to "make laws."

In his memo, Bush declares that in the case of any emergency, he's allowed to take over all branches of government - and also private companies! - in essence to become a Dictator of the US. This is the same action that occurred in Ancient Rome when their kings grabbed total and complete power.

The *most* terrifying thing is that no one in the mainstream media is covering Bush's grab for power. And when asked for more details, the White House actually declined comment!

Please forward this video to everyone you know. We aren't Ancient Rome. We aren't Communist Russia. We aren't Korea or China. We're a democratic nation dedicated to Freedom.

Fight Tyranny. Spread the Word.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ij-5egrCzyk

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I went for my muster today, and there were about 6 E7s and E8s just standing around wating for people. I expected a hassle. Only about 2 other peolple besides myself at the time, but they said about 20 showed up today. I was in and out in about 30 minutes. They of course suggested a reserve unit or two, but no pressure tactics at all. Was pretty much a waste of time since all of my info is already updated with HRC.

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Army Not Punishing AWOL IRR Members

James Joyner | Tuesday, October 4, 2005

The Army has made a strategic decision not to punish Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) soldiers who refuse to show up for duty when recalled.

Army Not Punishing Absent Special Reserve Soldiers (USA Today, p. 1)

Seventy-three soldiers in a special reserve program have defied orders to appear for wartime duty, some for more than a year, yet the Army has quietly chosen not to act against them. We just continue to work with them, reminding them of their duty, says Lt. Col. Bryan Hilferty, an Army spokesman.

The soldiers are part of the Individual Ready Reserve (IRR), a pool of about 110,000 inactive troops who still have contractual obligations to the military but are rarely summoned back to active duty. But an Army stretched thin by the demands of war in Iraq and Afghanistan began a phased call-up of 6,545 of those soldiers in June 2004.

About half have served. About one-fifth have been excused for reasons such as finances, family or health. The Army has failed to reach 386 of the reservists, often because of invalid or outdated addresses or phone numbers. But Lt. Col. Karla Brischke, who supervises call-ups, says some reservists may simply be avoiding the orders.

Only one officer is among the 73 soldiers who either ignored their orders or refused to serve. Brischke says Army staffers keep calling and reminding them of “duty, honor, country� and their need to fulfill their obligations.

Hilferty says the Army hasn’t acted in part because IRR troops have historically not been expected to serve. It’s sensitive because we understand they’re different soldiers. The decision to declare these soldiers AWOL or a deserter is up to their commanding officer, Brig. Gen. Rhett Hernandez, the Army’s personnel management director. He could not be reached for comment.

Failing to punish those who disobey an order sets a bad precedent, especially for those in the IRR who have accepted the call to serve, says retired major general John Meyer Jr., the Army’s former chief of public affairs.

Both Meyer and Hilferty are correct. Soldiers in the IRR are legally required to show up but mostly don’t think of themselves as “soldiers” any more. Certainly, during the decade I was nominally in the IRR, I didn’t. Indeed, I routinely refer to it as “the Fantasy Reserves” (as in, “I was promoted to captain in the Fantasy Reserves but never wore the bars on my uniform”).

The IRR consists of soldiers who have served their obligation on active duty and/or the Active Reserves but have not completed the entire eight year statutory obligation all who volunteer for the military incur. Some continue to perform annual training and attend schooling in hopes of accruing enough points to draw a pension when they hit 62. Most of us, though, never put on a uniform again and never drew a paycheck after leaving active duty.

While it makes some practical sense, the idea that those who volunteer for three years of duty must actually be on the hook for eight years in an era where those who did not serve have zero obligation is morally problematic. This is especially true for enlisted soldiers, many of whom made the decision with very little information at the age of 17 or 18. Involuntary call-ups of those who served their initial obligation should not happen unless there is a national emergency of sufficient urgency that we are willing to institute a general draft.

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Why are officers automatically promoted while in the IRR while enlisted are not?

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I joined the Army Infantry after 9/11. I truly believed in the fight.

"The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him."
- G.W. Bush, 9/13/01

I didn't get processed, shipped, trained in enough time for OEF, but was there for all of OIF 1. Saddam was as bad as bin Laden and we'd get our chance to help corral him soon enough, I thought in July of 2003 when we thought we were going home.

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

WTF, over? Yeah, I realize the Raven and 145 are supposed to be pursuing him right now but Come ON! What happened to "dead or alive?!" What happened to "we will not rest?!" Hey, if it takes too long to bag a villain after emotion and anger has died down, he's off the fucking hook?! I don't care that they have Mr. Shag Carpet Chest N. Back in GITMO or that bin Laden may be on a respirator. WTF?! Justice, Mr. President!

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Does anyone here have the creativity/ability to make a video about IRR recall nonsense and put it up on youtube? That seems to be the quickest way to spread the message without going through the major media outlets.

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Does anyone here have the creativity/ability to make a video about IRR recall nonsense and put it up on youtube? That seems to be the quickest way to spread the message without going through the major media outlets.

Anybody with "creativity/ability" wouldn't be going to an IRR muster.

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are. All of us got out on different reasons. While I personally think the Muster is a good idea, most of us know how things work and this gives us the impression of Re-Call. While this could be nothing more than just that, a Muster, it's hard for all of us to find reason if someone high up speaks publicly about it.

On the order of Re-Call, i think this step has taken a turn for the worse. Like you said, once you get the word, your off cutting orders to send out to IRR. Taking a different approach to this might help boost morale in RA, AR, and IRR. Maybe send letters to all members in IRR asking for volunteers. I know this could be alot of work, but maybe filtering down to other stations may help. In this should be how many your looking for, what units need to be filled, and what MOS's would be helpful. I think after this your results would be alot better. I for one would be more apt to go if I knew I was in control. Being forced is no way to conduct business.

With all that said, regardes of what anyone thinks, we are the main sellers of the military. As of right now whenever a topic of military is brought up, I make a point to bring my personal experiences in. Most of which are bad. More or less I'll steer people away from military.

On a last note - I don't know who you are or what you do. I do know that if you do work where you say you do, then you must know people that you can bring this too. If the military wishes to continue not to make numbers each month, then brush this off. But if the military wishes to make numbers, and even pass requirements, then need to be alitle more truthful, and respectful

Thanks

I wonder if they are ever going to read this? Lazy, or off cutting more Muster orders?

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TO: HRC REP STL

So I'm guessing after reading all this, you can understand how mad alot of us are....

haven't seen a response to this from hrc
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First I need to say I am in no way form or fashion speaking officially for or on behalf of anyone at HRC-STL... Any comments or opinions I express are my own, based on my experience here. If you really want me to respond, I would have to say that we've tried the volunteer route. Look back through this thread and tell me how many volunteers you think we'd get... There are avenues for IRR Soldiers to volunteer, and some do. I understand that some people have had bad experiences in the Army. I understand that the vast majority of the Soldiers who showed up for the ONLY readiness muster held so far (Los Alamitos, CA) were combat veterans, many with multiple tours. I say again, I hope we never have the need to mobilize and deploy any Soldier out of the IRR. If the requirement exists, however, we have no choice. Someone earlier said that you should go to war with the Army you've got. That's what we're doing. There is no draft - there is no conscription - congress would have to institute either of those. Until we either cease or greatly reduce current operations, or until you are able to convince congress that it is necessary to institute a draft or mandatory conscription, it will fall on those of us who voluntarily joined the Army. As for who we are fighting to protect... I choose to think more personal than those yahoos depicted on youtube videos... I choose to think of family, friends, and those who I hope never have to experience what many of us, and those who came before us, have had to experience.

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I went for my muster today, and there were about 6 E7s and E8s just standing around wating for people. I expected a hassle. Only about 2 other peolple besides myself at the time, but they said about 20 showed up today. I was in and out in about 30 minutes. They of course suggested a reserve unit or two, but no pressure tactics at all. Was pretty much a waste of time since all of my info is already updated with HRC.

i wish i was gonna be that lucky. i have to go to fucking fort meade next month. i don't think i am not gonna go. i really don't think it is worth it to be there 6+ hours.