Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

[Unregistered]

i wish i was gonna be that lucky. i have to go to fucking fort meade next month. i don't think i am not gonna go. i really don't think it is worth it to be there 6+ hours.

If you get there early, bring everything with you you were asked to bring (including the certificate you have to print out yourself), update your AKO account/password, get through the medical/dental processing early, then you shouldn't be there half that time. Those are where the delays were in Los Alamitos...

[Unregistered]

If you get there early, bring everything with you you were asked to bring (including the certificate you have to print out yourself), update your AKO account/password, get through the medical/dental processing early, then you shouldn't be there half that time. Those are where the delays were in Los Alamitos...

are they talking about updating the reserve record on the HRC website? I just updated my password for AKO because it was time and I have it transferred to my GS e-mail address anyways.

[Unregistered]

are they talking about updating the reserve record on the HRC website? I just updated my password for AKO because it was time and I have it transferred to my GS e-mail address anyways.

Yes I think that is part of what you will do at either the readiness or the accountability muster.

[Unregistered]

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I would have to say that we've tried the volunteer route. Look back through this thread and tell me how many volunteers you think we'd get....

Too true. But then why is the public constantly told recruiting and retention are great, we have the people we need, we're not broken, etc? One of the worst straws for me was when Dubya was smiling his way through that interview and couldn' even answer a straight question about why he hasn't asked more Americans to sacrifice, though I doubt any would even if he asked, and if he did, he's fucked up his credibility. I hate that because he's president, we're supposed to respect his position. Hell no!

[Unregistered]

Too true. But then why is the public constantly told recruiting and retention are great, we have the people we need, we're not broken, etc? One of the worst straws for me was when Dubya was smiling his way through that interview and couldn' even answer a straight question about why he hasn't asked more Americans to sacrifice, though I doubt any would even if he asked, and if he did, he's fucked up his credibility. I hate that because he's president, we're supposed to respect his position. Hell no!

I don't disagree completely. Just tell me a politician that you CAN trust to say anything other that what's going to help him/her get elected.

[Unregistered]

I don't disagree completely. Just tell me a politician that you CAN trust to say anything other that what's going to help him/her get elected.

Sure, few politicians have earned our trust. But even fewer still have caused as many American deaths and destroyed our great military and nation as Bush has.

He's a bull in a china shop. Bush has stepped in dog doo time and again, and we still let him walk around on our good living room carpet.

Listen, hoss - stop backing a loser and focus on the big picture for once.

The only way we'll all see improvements with our politicians is to not stand for injustice. Stand Up. Speak Out. And to do it, we have to start at the top with Bush and go from there.

[Unregistered]

Listen, hoss - stop backing a loser and focus on the big picture for once.

Interesting advice... except you have no idea as to my political persuasion or views. You appear to be making assumptions based on the fact that I am giving suggestions on how to keep the muster from being any more painful than it has to be. I plan to do as I've always tried... keep my political views and activities separate from my mission in the Army, and assist anyone I can in doing their mission. I have no reason or desire to argue with anyone in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Everyone has the right to make their own decision as to whether or not to comply with their orders and report to the muster. The point I continue to make is that there is no ulterior motive to these musters. Everyone in the IRR, (whether they know they are still obligated or not), is subject to be mobilized and deployed. It might happen and it might not. It depends on need... not on whether or not you go through the muster.

[Unregistered]

Interesting advice... except you have no idea as to my political persuasion or views. You appear to be making assumptions based on the fact that I am giving suggestions on how to keep the muster from being any more painful than it has to be. I plan to do as I've always tried... keep my political views and activities separate from my mission in the Army, and assist anyone I can in doing their mission. I have no reason or desire to argue with anyone in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Everyone has the right to make their own decision as to whether or not to comply with their orders and report to the muster. The point I continue to make is that there is no ulterior motive to these musters. Everyone in the IRR, (whether they know they are still obligated or not), is subject to be mobilized and deployed. It might happen and it might not. It depends on need... not on whether or not you go through the muster.

But the ironic thing is that those that have the most to lose aren't speaking up against what is bad policy. We were trained to follow orders, trust your leaders, and every thing would work out. Unfortunately, the guy at the top is not capable of making the hard decisions. Sure, some higher brass had the courage to speak up (Shinseki, Batiste, Franks...), but they were 'retired'.

Does anybody really think that Petraeus is going to say that the military cannot win this thing when clearly it's up to the Iraqis? And now they're talking about a bigger surge? Hasn't the Army been doing enough of the heavy lifting for the Iraqis? Or does NCLB mean No Country Left Behind?

It was a political decision to start this thing in Iraq and it'll be a political one to end it.

[Unregistered]

Why hasn't the Army adopted the Marine Corps "Every Marine Into The Fight" philosophy? I realize you're not going to mobilize every swinging dick to the letter, but perhaps rotate one, twice, thrice veterans to TRADOC type assignments and get those guys out there. Now, some will say that defeats the purpose of combat experience. IMHO, the commanders don't care about combat experience. I've seen numerous PT studs and brown nosers get promoted with no combat experience over guys who've BTDT. Guys who actually fought a WAR conventionally (spearheaded OIF 1) and unconventionally (later OIFs) but just aren't poster boys for the Army. I really wish the Army would overhaul its promotion process. Having spent a month or two in the S-1 shop, I know how easy it is to hoodwink the CoC. It's all about the nouns, verbs, and bullet points. EVERYTHING can be circle x'ed and pencilled in. PT score, weapons qual, even specific acts. It sickened me.

[Unregistered]

Interesting advice... except you have no idea as to my political persuasion or views. You appear to be making assumptions based on the fact that I am giving suggestions on how to keep the muster from being any more painful than it has to be. I plan to do as I've always tried... keep my political views and activities separate from my mission in the Army, and assist anyone I can in doing their mission. I have no reason or desire to argue with anyone in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Everyone has the right to make their own decision as to whether or not to comply with their orders and report to the muster. The point I continue to make is that there is no ulterior motive to these musters. Everyone in the IRR, (whether they know they are still obligated or not), is subject to be mobilized and deployed. It might happen and it might not. It depends on need... not on whether or not you go through the muster.

Dear HRC:

That word "obligated" really pisses me off. Like Im not "obligated" to my wife and kids. Yeah, Im going throw them under the bus to go to Iraq where I can be used as fodder for a year or more. Not to mention giving up my job which I have fought to get and to keep. Get a clue.

HRC Im not going to give this up for an Institution that could care less about me and is not paying me at the present time. No more formations and crappy treatment for me!

[Unregistered]

Why are we emboldening the enemy with IRR musters? Why are we admitting defeat to the enemy, that we lack the resources to keep up the fight?

Apparently, the last rotation through will be the civilian IRR draftee rotation, kind of like the children's crusade.

[Unregistered]

Apparently, the last rotation through will be the civilian IRR draftee rotation, kind of like the children's crusade.

LOL
HRC=Army Weak
If anybody needs proof that the army is broken beyond all repair, stop by your local muster site. According to the MSNBC article posted here, the army is recalling 250-pound middle-aged men with heart stents. You keep it Army Weak HRC. Keep emboldening the enemy.

[Unregistered]

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First I need to say I am in no way form or fashion speaking officially for or on behalf of anyone at HRC-STL... Any comments or opinions I express are my own, based on my experience here. If you really want me to respond, I would have to say that we've tried the volunteer route. Look back through this thread and tell me how many volunteers you think we'd get... There are avenues for IRR Soldiers to volunteer, and some do. I understand that some people have had bad experiences in the Army. I understand that the vast majority of the Soldiers who showed up for the ONLY readiness muster held so far (Los Alamitos, CA) were combat veterans, many with multiple tours. I say again, I hope we never have the need to mobilize and deploy any Soldier out of the IRR. If the requirement exists, however, we have no choice. Someone earlier said that you should go to war with the Army you've got. That's what we're doing. There is no draft - there is no conscription - congress would have to institute either of those. Until we either cease or greatly reduce current operations, or until you are able to convince congress that it is necessary to institute a draft or mandatory conscription, it will fall on those of us who voluntarily joined the Army. As for who we are fighting to protect... I choose to think more personal than those yahoos depicted on youtube videos... I choose to think of family, friends, and those who I hope never have to experience what many of us, and those who came before us, have had to experience.

Congress or the president also have to declare a National Emergency. IRR is not just "in case we fuck up and nuke half our soldiers".

[Unregistered]

http://www.cafepress.com/civilianism

Thanks for the link. BTW. I went to the muster Monday and they almost tricked me with the "if you stay in the IRR for the last 3 months of your MSO, they can activate you at any time, but if you go to a TPU and do the 24 month deferement, you'll be safe. Oh yeah they will want you to reclass to another MOS, but just never do it and wait your time out" thing. I decided to take my chances.

[Unregistered]

Congress or the president also have to declare a National Emergency. IRR is not just "in case we fuck up and nuke half our soldiers".

If we nuked half our soldiers, that would be a national emergency. A battalion being short a guy before rotating through an occupation mission is not.
But the actual contractual terms you agreed to are apparently meaningless anyway. You get punished for being a patriot and joining after 9/11.

[Unregistered]

Read most of the commnts. With 15 month tours, multiple rotations, 365 days in possible contact; American people 70% against the war in iraq, no weapons of mass destruction, the propaganda of Pat Tillman's friendly fire incident in Khost Province/2004, plus so many other KIA issues; Iraqi Parliment, as dysfunctional as they are will be on vacation for the month of August..all while US troops/Marines are being killed. If any of you dispute these assertions, please speak up.

That said, the Army will absolutely attempt to recruit or mandate your return to active duty..regardless of your personal issues, regardless of AFPT challenges, and perhaps regardless of physical ability or condition. The US Army is basically running out of people. What many of us fear is that the remaining Guard/Reserves and many from the IRR will either forced into another MOS (Inf, MP, etc) and will be the forefront during retrograde operations at some point in the future. Getting out of Iraq will be a hell of alot different and more challenging than getting in..in short, regardless of your MOS training..you no doubt will end up as a trigger puller..for sure. The support component is contracted out..with civilians making at a minimum of 100K per year (now that's transformation).

At last look, the Air Force is doing 4-6 months of downrange deployment; the Navy not much either (except SOCOM).

The decision to show up or not is a personal matter; regardless though, the burden is upon the Armed Forces to maintain accurate records with current address, etc.

If only our leaders who abide by the phrase..duty, honor..country....or " I will not lie, cheat or steal or toleration those among us who do..."

Good luck all..
RH
LTC/Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Africa, Afghanistan & Iraq

[Unregistered]

Read most of the commnts. With 15 month tours, multiple rotations, 365 days in possible contact; American people 70% against the war in iraq, no weapons of mass destruction, the propaganda of Pat Tillman's friendly fire incident in Khost Province/2004, plus so many other KIA issues; Iraqi Parliment, as dysfunctional as they are will be on vacation for the month of August..all while US troops/Marines are being killed. If any of you dispute these assertions, please speak up.

That said, the Army will absolutely attempt to recruit or mandate your return to active duty..regardless of your personal issues, regardless of AFPT challenges, and perhaps regardless of physical ability or condition. The US Army is basically running out of people. What many of us fear is that the remaining Guard/Reserves and many from the IRR will either forced into another MOS (Inf, MP, etc) and will be the forefront during retrograde operations at some point in the future. Getting out of Iraq will be a hell of alot different and more challenging than getting in..in short, regardless of your MOS training..you no doubt will end up as a trigger puller..for sure. The support component is contracted out..with civilians making at a minimum of 100K per year (now that's transformation).

At last look, the Air Force is doing 4-6 months of downrange deployment; the Navy not much either (except SOCOM).

The decision to show up or not is a personal matter; regardless though, the burden is upon the Armed Forces to maintain accurate records with current address, etc.

If only our leaders who abide by the phrase..duty, honor..country....or " I will not lie, cheat or steal or toleration those among us who do..."

Good luck all..
RH
LTC/Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Africa, Afghanistan & Iraq

oh i agree with what you are saying sir and i am going to the muster but i am not signing up for anything and i guess i will take my chances. but to all who see his statement he is right. i work as an army civilian and the NCO that is working with us said they just sent a HUGE list out of army re-up bonuses. I mean it was alomost every MOS. and alot of them never had bonuses going back to 2001.

[Captain Barbossa]

oh i agree with what you are saying sir and i am going to the muste, but i am not signing up for anything and i guess i will take my chances. but to all who see his statement he is right. i work as an army civilian and the NCO that is working with us said they just sent a HUGE list out of army re-up bonuses. I mean it was alomost every MOS. and alot of them never had bonuses going back to 2001.


Yes, he made some valid points about the mess that the army is in. Who cares about the bonuses. You could offer me a million dollars and I wouldn't sign up. The bonus and all the junk you can buy with it mean nothing when you are sitting in Iraq...doing important things like wearing your PT belt to the chow hall and Haji guard. If you are on of the ones swayed by the bonus, then you are probably one of those true "consumers" with the buy buy buy mentality.

[Unregistered]

Yes, he made some valid points about the mess that the army is in. Who cares about the bonuses. You could offer me a million dollars and I wouldn't sign up. The bonus and all the junk you can buy with it mean nothing when you are sitting in Iraq...doing important things like wearing your PT belt to the chow hall and Haji guard. If you are on of the ones swayed by the bonus, then you are probably one of those true "consumers" with the buy buy buy mentality.

i thnink you are missing the point. they are offering the bonuses to active duty personnel. that is what the e-mail said. also they are trying to cover for the fact that in maybe less then 3 years they are going to have a problem so if they get the AD soldiers to re up now it will lessen the blow. the list was long that is for sure. i never got a bonus for re upping and now they are offering 30,000 for non-deployed soldiers and 15,000 for deployed soldiers. what a crock of shit.

[Captain Barbossa]

Yeah, that is quite possible. That is most likely the army's intent, I agree with you there. I talked to a friend of mine on AD and he told me about the 30K thing they offered him.

My other point was that people who re-enlist only because of a bonus are stupid...my opinion. I know soldiers who hate the army but signed up again only so they could take the bonus and buy a new car. If you like the army, then by all means re-enlist....but just don't do it for the money.

[Unregistered]

Interesting advice... except you have no idea as to my political persuasion or views. You appear to be making assumptions based on the fact that I am giving suggestions on how to keep the muster from being any more painful than it has to be. I plan to do as I've always tried... keep my political views and activities separate from my mission in the Army, and assist anyone I can in doing their mission. I have no reason or desire to argue with anyone in this thread. Everyone is entitled to their opinions. Everyone has the right to make their own decision as to whether or not to comply with their orders and report to the muster. The point I continue to make is that there is no ulterior motive to these musters. Everyone in the IRR, (whether they know they are still obligated or not), is subject to be mobilized and deployed. It might happen and it might not. It depends on need... not on whether or not you go through the muster.

This recruiter's response is exactly why so many folks are ignoring the muster.

This recuiter asked the board: <<I don't disagree completely. Just tell me a politician that you CAN trust to say anything other that what's going to help him/her get elected.>>

We responded stating you have to start with Team Bush and work down.

And now he posts the above saying he keeps his military views separate from politics.

Hmm... :) Um, you sure about that? You were the little fella who brought it up, hoss.

And then you got shrill and emotional like a girl (ha!) when you whined to our response. And you've proven your ignorence to make such an assertion that any military effort can be completely separate from the politics that are driving behind it.

No one will ever take your advice, hoss.

[Unregistered]

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First I need to say I am in no way form or fashion speaking officially for or on behalf of anyone at HRC-STL... Any comments or opinions I express are my own, based on my experience here. If you really want me to respond, I would have to say that we've tried the volunteer route. Look back through this thread and tell me how many volunteers you think we'd get... There are avenues for IRR Soldiers to volunteer, and some do. I understand that some people have had bad experiences in the Army. I understand that the vast majority of the Soldiers who showed up for the ONLY readiness muster held so far (Los Alamitos, CA) were combat veterans, many with multiple tours. I say again, I hope we never have the need to mobilize and deploy any Soldier out of the IRR. If the requirement exists, however, we have no choice. Someone earlier said that you should go to war with the Army you've got. That's what we're doing. There is no draft - there is no conscription - congress would have to institute either of those. Until we either cease or greatly reduce current operations, or until you are able to convince congress that it is necessary to institute a draft or mandatory conscription, it will fall on those of us who voluntarily joined the Army. As for who we are fighting to protect... I choose to think more personal than those yahoos depicted on youtube videos... I choose to think of family, friends, and those who I hope never have to experience what many of us, and those who came before us, have had to experience.

Hey HRC, maybe it's time for a Dirty Dozen. Go rent the movie. Get those guys who are RE-2, RE-3C and so on, say okay no waiver needed, come on back. Find the chapter 5, 11 and 13 dudes who are likely a little older and smarter now. Get the guys banned from re-up due to three Article 15s.

Then tell them all if they come back for three years their service records will be wiped clean of disciplinary data, they highest rank will be restored, and they will be assigned according to the needs of the Army.

Some people would kill for a chance to rectify fuck-ups they did in the past. So now is your chance. Have them kill.

[Unregistered]

Apparently, the last rotation through will be the civilian IRR draftee rotation, kind of like the children's crusade.

LOL
HRC=Army Weak
If anybody needs proof that the army is broken beyond all repair, stop by your local muster site. According to the MSNBC article posted here, the army is recalling 250-pound middle-aged men with heart stents. You keep it Army Weak HRC. Keep emboldening the enemy.

The 250lb guys are the light ones. The IRR dudes called up in 2004 and 2005 are home now. I wonder how long until their next callup.

[Unregistered]

Hey HRC, maybe it's time for a Dirty Dozen. Go rent the movie. Get those guys who are RE-2, RE-3C and so on, say okay no waiver needed, come on back. Find the chapter 5, 11 and 13 dudes who are likely a little older and smarter now. Get the guys banned from re-up due to three Article 15s.

Then tell them all if they come back for three years their service records will be wiped clean of disciplinary data, they highest rank will be restored, and they will be assigned according to the needs of the Army.

Some people would kill for a chance to rectify fuck-ups they did in the past. So now is your chance. Have them kill.

And get all the guys the Army laid off in the big RIF of the early 1990's to come back. I saw alot of guys who actually WANTED to stay in the Army kicked out. Hows that Peace Dividend working for us now?

[Unregistered]

And get all the guys the Army laid off in the big RIF of the early 1990's to come back. I saw alot of guys who actually WANTED to stay in the Army kicked out. Hows that Peace Dividend working for us now?

Speaking of politics, ask Bill about that... It was his plan.

[Unregistered]

regardless of what is going on anyways i am still ignoring any MOB orders i get. i could reallty care less about the global war on terrorism because there is not one. if they want to fight terrorism then go to the right countries and fight the actual enemies. i won't and there is no such thing as leadership, duty, respect,selfless service, honestly, integity or personal courage anymore!

[Unregistered]

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First I need to say I am in no way form or fashion speaking officially for or on behalf of anyone at HRC-STL... Any comments or opinions I express are my own, based on my experience here. If you really want me to respond, I would have to say that we've tried the volunteer route. Look back through this thread and tell me how many volunteers you think we'd get... There are avenues for IRR Soldiers to volunteer, and some do. I understand that some people have had bad experiences in the Army. I understand that the vast majority of the Soldiers who showed up for the ONLY readiness muster held so far (Los Alamitos, CA) were combat veterans, many with multiple tours. I say again, I hope we never have the need to mobilize and deploy any Soldier out of the IRR. If the requirement exists, however, we have no choice. Someone earlier said that you should go to war with the Army you've got. That's what we're doing. There is no draft - there is no conscription - congress would have to institute either of those. Until we either cease or greatly reduce current operations, or until you are able to convince congress that it is necessary to institute a draft or mandatory conscription, it will fall on those of us who voluntarily joined the Army. As for who we are fighting to protect... I choose to think more personal than those yahoos depicted on youtube videos... I choose to think of family, friends, and those who I hope never have to experience what many of us, and those who came before us, have had to experience.

okay whatever you say captain HRC-St. Louis. I will go to your muster....but i am not signing up for anything or accepting MOB orders so you can shove it!

[Unregistered]

sure does seem like a lot of bitter people on here. must be mad cause they couldn't get promoted.

[Unregistered]

I'm going to my muster tomorrow at 11......but Im not signing a goddamn thing and I'm not accepting any MOB orders.....EVER. I would rather go to jail than go back to that sh*t hole Iraq. I have 10 more months on IRR, hopefully I can float until then!

[Captain Barbossa]

sure does seem like a lot of bitter people on here. must be mad cause they couldn't get promoted.

No, most of us are no longer in the army so promotion is irrelevent. People are bitter about being bothered by the army after already serving their time. Believe it or not, the army life is not for everyone and some of us want to move on with our lives.

Now go put on your plastic sunglasses and PT belt and go eat some KBR chow.

[Unregistered]

sure does seem like a lot of bitter people on here. must be mad cause they couldn't get promoted.

i would not even accept it if it were offered. it is a waste of time just like OIF and the bush administration!

[Unregistered]

No, most of us are no longer in the army so promotion is irrelevent. People are bitter about being bothered by the army after already serving their time. Believe it or not, the army life is not for everyone and some of us want to move on with our lives.

Now go put on your plastic sunglasses and PT belt and go eat some KBR chow.

Well said. This isnt the Lifer crowd in here. I always got a kick out of that crowd but from what I saw most wouldnt do well having to earn a living in the real world. Enjoy your deployments!

[Unregistered]

Speaking of politics, ask Bill about that... It was his plan.


Actually it was not "Bills Plan" It started with Rumsfeld and his Secretary of Defense tour in the 1970's and carried on with Regan and the two Bush characters.

[Unregistered]

I lost my PT belt. Gotta eat in the hooch.

[Unregistered]

No, most of us are no longer in the army so promotion is irrelevent. People are bitter about being bothered by the army after already serving their time. Believe it or not, the army life is not for everyone and some of us want to move on with our lives.

Now go put on your plastic sunglasses and PT belt and go eat some KBR chow.


I love Captain Barbossa... Yep, none of us care about promotions.

Promotions are simply a thinly veiled sham which helps anesthetize you "lifers" locked into the Army's socialized welfare. Many lifers would never make it in the real world.

So get back to work! We're paying your salaries, and we don't pay you to think. ;-)

Now go enjoy your PT Belt Chow... Mmmm...nummy!

[Zachary Wojton]

Not a IRR deadbeat, I am a proud veteran that has served 6 years in the US Army. Constantly going out of my way keeping my records up to date with many reservist components while I transition (and move many times) in the civilian sector, only to have some 18 year old paper pushing never deployed soldier to totally screw things up. It is in my best interest to keep up to date with this information, I still work for the DOD, this time directly as a civilian (thanks to great army como training). If the IRR system is broke, which it is, maybe those who push the papers and do nothing more to support our country should get up and serve. I love the Army, Love this Country, it is just a shame that there are so many no talent @$$ clowns pulling the strings.

[ringjamesa]

Too bad you don't have the authority to prohibit anyone huh? The purpose of these forums is to get differing views. Just because someone isn't as paranoid as you seem to be and has a different perspective doesn't mean they should be banned. If you don't like someone's posts, don't read them. It isn't hard.

[Unregistered]

so has anyone else gone to an SRP muster outside of the person that already posted earlier? they are suppose to have 2 more before the last one at meade.

[Unregistered]

Just got back from my "accountability" muster...quick and almost painless. A recruiting tactic to get me to volunteer for the Reserve. I'm going to take my chances that I won't get MOB orders in the next 6 months that I'm still IRR.

I realize that the Army will twist and bend any regulation to get the body count it needs...but it helps to be prepared. In the Army, there are no excuses, only explanations.

Here are few "explanations." This list is sure to offend or delight. Feel free to add. I would say that people who are relying on their disabilities/out-of-shape physiques alone are unprepared. Get creative. Why should the Army have all the fun twisting regulations?

1. LADIES, get pregnant. Getting pregnant gets you out: staying pregnant is irrelevant.
2. IRRs with an active duty spouse: you need to have an "approved child care plan" to stay active duty. At the very least, this could buy you a deferrment.
3. Hardship: we got a family member out of active duty in Iraq by stating he was the sole caretaker of an invalid parent. In reality, there were two other adult siblings who could have performed the care.
4. Get a prescription for antidepressants (the thought of going back is traumatic, is it not?) and make sure you have them in your system at your MOB physical. (It takes 6 weeks, but anti-depressants are awesome). If the Army won't accept new recruits on antidepressants, why would they want us back? At the very least, you'll be "relaxed" at MOB.
5. Smoke pot and/or drink heavily - same result as 4.

[Unregistered]

Just got back from my "accountability" muster...quick and almost painless. A recruiting tactic to get me to volunteer for the Reserve. I'm going to take my chances that I won't get MOB orders in the next 6 months that I'm still IRR.

I realize that the Army will twist and bend any regulation to get the body count it needs...but it helps to be prepared. In the Army, there are no excuses, only explanations.

Here are few "explanations." This list is sure to offend or delight. Feel free to add. I would say that people who are relying on their disabilities/out-of-shape physiques alone are unprepared. Get creative. Why should the Army have all the fun twisting regulations?

1. LADIES, get pregnant. Getting pregnant gets you out: staying pregnant is irrelevant.
2. IRRs with an active duty spouse: you need to have an "approved child care plan" to stay active duty. At the very least, this could buy you a deferrment.
3. Hardship: we got a family member out of active duty in Iraq by stating he was the sole caretaker of an invalid parent. In reality, there were two other adult siblings who could have performed the care.
4. Get a prescription for antidepressants (the thought of going back is traumatic, is it not?) and make sure you have them in your system at your MOB physical. (It takes 6 weeks, but anti-depressants are awesome). If the Army won't accept new recruits on antidepressants, why would they want us back? At the very least, you'll be "relaxed" at MOB.
5. Smoke pot and/or drink heavily - same result as 4.

Good advice. I had read in another blog that the Army doesnt drug test IRR recalls. Maybe somebody from HRC can adress lack of enforcement of Army Regs in this area. Also, you can weigh 300 lbs and have been chaptered off active duty for same and still be recalled Again, the Army not following its own Regs when it suits them.
The anidepressant route seems to be the best course of action. Hell if I had to go back into the Army I would be depressed.

[Sabotage]

Well some of yall voted them folks in OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't just blame the Army you got to blame the cOMMANDER N CHIFE!!!!!!!!!!
and his buddy RUMMY!!!!!!!!!! and the Dito headsssssssssssss

[Unregistered]

No, most of us are no longer in the army so promotion is irrelevent. People are bitter about being bothered by the army after already serving their time. Believe it or not, the army life is not for everyone and some of us want to move on with our lives.

Now go put on your plastic sunglasses and PT belt and go eat some KBR chow.

Oooh. That hurts!

[Unregistered]

Actually it was not "Bills Plan" It started with Rumsfeld and his Secretary of Defense tour in the 1970's and carried on with Regan and the two Bush characters.

Check again... While the term "peace dividend" has been around a very long time, the drawdown was done as part of the "Bottom-Up Review" in the early stages of the Clinton administration as part of a campaign promise to cut $60 billion in defense spending. SECDEF was Les Aspen.

[Unregistered]

I am always proud to serve and although I have my own views of this war on terror I choose to follow the orders of those appointed over me. I currently serve in the Army Reserve and I will promptly return to active duty within the month. We all signed a contract and know well that there was a eight year obligation. If any of you choose to go to muster or not that is on the individual, for it is the individual that will suffer the consequences for not going if any arise. If nothing happens then you all will resume your lives doing that in which you choose, in peace, and happiness. I respect everyone that has served and that is currently serving in the armed forces.

- SPC "Unregistered" USAR

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I am always proud to serve and although I have my own views of this war on terror I choose to follow the orders of those appointed over me. I currently serve in the Army Reserve and I will promptly return to active duty within the month. We all signed a contract and know well that there was a eight year obligation. If any of you choose to go to muster or not that is on the individual, for it is the individual that will suffer the consequences for not going if any arise. If nothing happens then you all will resume your lives doing that in which you choose, in peace, and happiness. I respect everyone that has served and that is currently serving in the armed forces.

- SPC "Unregistered" USAR

And we're sure the corporations whose profits you're defending don't care about you either way.

Neither does your government who will use you up, stop-loss you, recall you, and then not take care of you... Just read about the lawsuit on behalf of 100,000s of vet heroes not receiving adequate care when they return home.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070724/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/veterans_care_lawsuit

But you gotta do what you gotta do, man...

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I am always proud to serve and although I have my own views of this war on terror I choose to follow the orders of those appointed over me. I currently serve in the Army Reserve and I will promptly return to active duty within the month. We all signed a contract and know well that there was a eight year obligation. If any of you choose to go to muster or not that is on the individual, for it is the individual that will suffer the consequences for not going if any arise. If nothing happens then you all will resume your lives doing that in which you choose, in peace, and happiness. I respect everyone that has served and that is currently serving in the armed forces.

- SPC "Unregistered" USAR

Good luck, brother (or sister). Stay safe if you can.

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Check again... While the term "peace dividend" has been around a very long time, the drawdown was done as part of the "Bottom-Up Review" in the early stages of the Clinton administration as part of a campaign promise to cut $60 billion in defense spending. SECDEF was Les Aspen.

Actually, you're the one who needs to check again, hoss.

"The reductions I have approved will save us an additional $50 billion over the next five years. By 1997 we will have cut defense by 30 percent since I took office.”
President George Herbert Walker Bush in 1992

The U.S. military drawdown was already strongly in effect when Clinton took office - it'd been set up by George H. W. Bush.

But you Bushies...don't you get tired of always being wrong? It'd be funny if you weren't such pathetic losers always f*cking up everything.

Now just sit quietly and try not to touch anything.

There, that's a good boy.

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Well some of yall voted them folks in OFFICE!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't just blame the Army you got to blame the cOMMANDER N CHIFE!!!!!!!!!!
and his buddy RUMMY!!!!!!!!!! and the Dito headsssssssssssss


Good point I'm sure if Bush was out of the office this crap would not be going on. I think everybody here should wait to hear something from HRC because only they know the turth not us. Stop putting your guesses on here like you know something. A lot of people here are guessing what's going to happen because of there fears. Yes we all signed for 8 years, but we got out for a reason and those of you that's so "i'll go back" why don't you? You got out because you didn't like something about Army because if you loved it you would still be in uniform. So people have a right to be pissed if they get called back it does not mean they won't go everybody has the right to feel what they want to feel.

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Army Not Punishing AWOL IRR Members
Why are officers automatically promoted while in the IRR while enlisted are not?

They're not-- I made the Captain's list three weeks before I got out and was published as being promoted (in The Army Times) last summer. I never got any promotion orders though and never got anything else in the mail, plus I still see "1LT" when I log in to AKO.

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I went to the muster yesterday it was gay. I watched a video and let them scan my drivers license, that was it. Not even an hour.

However the army did lie about the 5000 thing, they even lied about the 30, 000 thing its worse than that. They also lied about the "random" selection thing. There was nothing random about it and it was no test, We were told that (while I was there) that we had priority MOS's and thats why we were picked.

Has anyone got this garbage to the media yet?

[Unregistered]

I went to the muster yesterday it was gay. I watched a video and let them scan my drivers license, that was it. Not even an hour.

However the army did lie about the 5000 thing, they even lied about the 30, 000 thing its worse than that. They also lied about the "random" selection thing. There was nothing random about it and it was no test, We were told that (while I was there) that we had priority MOS's and thats why we were picked.

Has anyone got this garbage to the media yet?

i am not sure the army has there story straight regarding anything. my MOS is at full strength along with alot of others. they are jsut trying to get people to fill the ranks of the jobs that are not at full capacity. so they will take anyone.

[Unregistered]

Just got back from my "accountability" muster...quick and almost painless. A recruiting tactic to get me to volunteer for the Reserve. I'm going to take my chances that I won't get MOB orders in the next 6 months that I'm still IRR.

I realize that the Army will twist and bend any regulation to get the body count it needs...but it helps to be prepared. In the Army, there are no excuses, only explanations.

Here are few "explanations." This list is sure to offend or delight. Feel free to add. I would say that people who are relying on their disabilities/out-of-shape physiques alone are unprepared. Get creative. Why should the Army have all the fun twisting regulations?

1. LADIES, get pregnant. Getting pregnant gets you out: staying pregnant is irrelevant.
2. IRRs with an active duty spouse: you need to have an "approved child care plan" to stay active duty. At the very least, this could buy you a deferrment.
3. Hardship: we got a family member out of active duty in Iraq by stating he was the sole caretaker of an invalid parent. In reality, there were two other adult siblings who could have performed the care.
4. Get a prescription for antidepressants (the thought of going back is traumatic, is it not?) and make sure you have them in your system at your MOB physical. (It takes 6 weeks, but anti-depressants are awesome). If the Army won't accept new recruits on antidepressants, why would they want us back? At the very least, you'll be "relaxed" at MOB.
5. Smoke pot and/or drink heavily - same result as 4.

how is being on an anti depressant gonna change anything. they will still take you and make you more messed up than one is now!

[Unregistered]

I am amazed some disillusioned E-4 or 1LT at HRC St. Louis hasn't "defected" and told the rest of us whatever details they could ring out of overheard conversations or shredded memos. I really want to know more about the supposed early 2008 IRR recall.

[Unregistered]

I went to the muster yesterday it was gay. I watched a video and let them scan my drivers license, that was it. Not even an hour.

However the army did lie about the 5000 thing, they even lied about the 30, 000 thing its worse than that. They also lied about the "random" selection thing. There was nothing random about it and it was no test, We were told that (while I was there) that we had priority MOS's and thats why we were picked.

Has anyone got this garbage to the media yet?

B.S. Just because either you or the individual you spoke too doesn't know what you're talking about doesn't mean "the Army" is lying. It means someone (again either you or whomever you spoke too) is trying to act like they know what is going on...

[Unregistered]

I am amazed some disillusioned E-4 or 1LT at HRC St. Louis hasn't "defected" and told the rest of us whatever details they could ring out of overheard conversations or shredded memos. I really want to know more about the supposed early 2008 IRR recall.

I'm not a defector but I've answered everything I've seen asked. The problem is too many people either don't like or don't believe the answers. Nothing I can do about that.
Re: an early 2008 recall... Don't know anything about it. What I do know is that they are happening on a fairly regular basis. I suspect they will continue into early '08 as well. That's why I keep saying these musters make no difference as to who is recalled. They will though, hopefully, speed up the processing for those who are recalled once they report to the MOB station.

[Unregistered]

It seems that you guys aren't familiar with a recurring event that HRC hosts regularly below the radar...

Every quarter, 150 officers and enlisted are called up on AD from the Army IRR pool, mostly officers, mostly for CA teams. I consider myself up on IRR matters personally, and was still shocked to find this out last winter. A buddy of mine from school found out the hard way when he was called up in late 2006 with a report date in January 2007. It was pretty shiesty, and I still couldn't believe it even after he told me. Then another buddy from school was able to contact a friend in the Pentagon, who then got us the quarterly recall sheet in Microsoft Excel format.

I was surprised to find out this was going on, but its hard to deny when you are staring at the excel sheet. I'm just happy that I didn't get pulled into the call-up pool myself, but beware: if you are in IRR you can still be called up if there is not a large-scale call-up.

[Unregistered]

There's no way I'm going to read every reply to this topic, but I did want to say just one thing. i recently left active duty in January after honorably serving 4+ years (thank you deployment stop-losses). I'm currently on IRR status until 2010. I recently went to my first muster formation two weeks ago. Basically, it was sit down with a recruiter - tell them no, I have no interest in the Active Reserves - tell them my contact info is still current - and that was it. the whole thing took no more than 15 minutes. It was the easiest 176 bucks I've ever made. I felt like it was a total waste of Government money, but whatever, I'll do these "muster formations" everyday for that pay, lol.

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"The Army is immediately ordering 1,106 former recruiters back to that duty. The soldiers are being pulled from their current assignments and sent to recruiting stations across the nation as the army struggles to meet its mission in signing up 80,000 new soldiers this year.

The short-notice assignments are temporary — they begin Friday and will run no later than Oct. 15."

This article was just posted on Army Times.com. To read the whole story go to

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/07/army_recruiting_070724w/

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS??

[Unregistered]

And so what happens to these guys? I have heard a zillion things regarding the crap shoot that being MOB'd is, if you look past how crappy it is to be recalled in the first place. There's no logic or humanity to the selection of recallees. Why? As awful as it sounds to play God, why let a computer's random "fairness" pick who goes and who's left alone? If it randomly picks a former 11B SPC who's done two years in Iraq, one of them entirely on stop-loss, how is that fair when a former 11B SGT from TRADOC who hasn't deployed at all is left alone? I hate saying that because it implies that I don't care that someone else, who hasn't deployed, should go, but why the lack of individual judgement? Are you telling me the computers at HRC can't differentiate between those who've deployed one year, two years, three years and those who've never gone? Again, this is playing devil's advocate, but life is already unfair, why can't the scales be righted a bit? It would give those in the IRR pool a sense of where they stood, kind of like low and high lottery numbers in the draft during Vietnam, but maybe more solid. Or like in WW2, if you survived X number of missions, you were free and clear. Didn't deploy to OIF or OEF at all, high possibility. Deployed once, unlikely. Deployed twice, highly unlikely. Three, you get a happy ending. Of course, this would mean the Army and HRC would have to be straight with us, but I don't see that happening.

[Sabotage]

Whattttt!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

"The Army is immediately ordering 1,106 former recruiters back to that duty. The soldiers are being pulled from their current assignments and sent to recruiting stations across the nation as the army struggles to meet its mission in signing up 80,000 new soldiers this year.

The short-notice assignments are temporary — they begin Friday and will run no later than Oct. 15."

This article was just posted on Army Times.com. To read the whole story go to

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/07/army_recruiting_070724w/

WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK ABOUT THIS??

Beyond the surge, there's the secdef's ambition to expand the army by 80,000 soldiers. I wonder to what extent that quota will be met by a backdoor draft.

[Unregistered]

I'm not a defector but I've answered everything I've seen asked. The problem is too many people either don't like or don't believe the answers. Nothing I can do about that.
Re: an early 2008 recall... Don't know anything about it. What I do know is that they are happening on a fairly regular basis. I suspect they will continue into early '08 as well. That's why I keep saying these musters make no difference as to who is recalled. They will though, hopefully, speed up the processing for those who are recalled once they report to the MOB station.

Why does the IW portal questionnaire record your willingness to sign up with various reserve components? Why should that be part of your record? Why would that information be gathered as part of an accountability muster?

[Unregistered]

There is honor in doing your duty, but there is also honor in questioning what our government is doing. If the American revolutionaries hadn't decided to put an end to English governing practices, this country would not be what it is today. I would not hesitate to follow my former team leaders into the fray. Beyond respect of rank, they earned my respect in the fray, fighting for one another. Without a single personal, familial or military/brotherhood bond for much of congress, the white house, team bush, there is a serious disconnect with what it's like to be us.

On another note, this blowhard talk show host on the radio keeps talking about the sacrifices made by soldiers in WW2 and how they didn't get to go home after a year, etc. etc. I agree with all that. My great uncle was one of them. However, I do believe then-President Rosevelt's kids were ALSO serving in WW2 because it was "that important." There was also a DRAFT and there were MILLIONS of troops. According to Bush on the radio, GWOT, OIF, etc. is "that important" and must be won at any cost, etc. If it was that important, why aren't the Bush twins being commissioned, or, god forbid, enlisting? They could get a TRADOC officer's job and be safe stateside and do nothing, at least they'd be "serving." But they can't even do that! As for the draft...

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1) Commanders plan for Iraq presence through 2009 - our military is going to be in Iraq for *at least* the next three years.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070724/ts_nm/iraq_usa_pentagon_dc

2) The number of senior captains, or captains closest to promotion, stands at just 51 percent of the Army's requirements, according to a memo from Col. George Lockwood, director of officer personnel management at the Army's Human Resources Command.

3) The Army has seen the reenlistment rate of mid-grade enlisted soldiers drop 12 percentage points, from 96 percent during the first quarter of 2005 to a low of 84 percent for the first quarter of 2007, according to Pentagon data. As of March, the Army is as much as 10 percentage points behind where it was in retaining mid-grade soldiers at that time in 2005 and 2006.

Think this "muster" is just for kicks? An easy way to make a whopping $176?

Think again. You in the IRR *will* be recalled in 2008.

[Captain Barbossa]

Big IRR recall in 2008?

ARRRR.....there hasn't been a gatherin' like this in our lifetime.

Who will join George Bush to sail to the World's End and bring back the Democracy from Iraq that is trapped in Davey Jones' locker? ARRRRRR......you'll be sailing without Captain Barbossa mates.

[Unregistered]

Captain Barbossa - too funny, mate!

[Unregistered]

Raise awareness through the media, your friends and family as well as your congressmen. A simple letter to your congressmen can help spread awareness. I made sure none of my little brother's friend is joining the army plus I told everyone I know.

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Raise awareness through the media, your friends and family as well as your congressmen. A simple letter to your congressmen can help spread awareness. I made sure none of my little brother's friend is joining the army plus I told everyone I know.

Too true... I've already made sure 12 people in my family and their friends didn't join the military. (not even the Air Force, they asked? Nope... ;-)

And we're all spreading the word...

[Unregistered]

anobody knows the status of this muster?

are there more people showing up or more people not showing up.

[Unregistered]

Hey all, like many of you i'm also scheduled to muster (readiness muster at ft. meade). I'm a vet who was rated 60% disability, 50% of which was for sleep apnea. According to AR 40-501 (Standards of Medical Fitness), sleep apnea is one of the disqualifying conditions to even enter the army. Should I still be worried about being recalled? I really had no intentions of even showing up, but then again I could go and show them my VA paperwork and hopefully be exempt of a recall. Thoughts?

[Unregistered]

I have sleep apnea, didn't know, just thought it was severe snoring, made it through OIF 1, OIF 4 fine even with it except it severely pisses off your AO/CHU mates. Have you guys seen the size of that IRR recalled Spec4 on youtube? He is HUGE. I really don't think they care about health issues unless you're missing a limb, and even then....

[Unregistered]

Regarding the 8 year MSO....

The problem with a "to-the-letter" support for a law that actually spells out the 8 years MSO is that it tells the public and the military that it's FINE to keep stop-lossing and IRR recalling people UNTIL their 8 year mark, as if the Army were being gracious to let us out then. It sets/lowers the "standard," so to speak, kind of like how 6 months used to be the 'norm' for deployments. Think Desert Storm, the 100 hour 'war.' (no disrespect for those who lost comrades, but I selfishly/personally think that those who do multiple years for OEF/OIF deserve stars on their CIBs as opposed to those who did Desert Storm and then OIF, slighly infammatory there, but every DS vet I know tells me they sat in the sand for their CPs/CIBs) Even OEF "1" was six months for most troops, which made those of us who did OIF 1 way back when think that it too would be six months tops. As we all know, OIF 1 became a year for most, 15 months for poor 1st AD. So now, a year became the "accepted" norm. Forward to 2007 and troops are now expected to do 15 months as scheduled. It is only a matter of time before that is increased. It'll be one of these excuses: Commanders on the ground say they need troops a little longer. Troops need to stay to guarantee next benchmark. Elections need troops to stay to ensure safety. Lack of replacement IRR troops force troops to stay an extra three months. Surge troops say fuck it, begin suicide by battalion.

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Man claims Army recruiter confined, threatened him

By NICK WERNER
nwerner@muncie.gannett.com


MUNCIE -- A 27-year-old Muncie man has filed a police report alleging that an Army recruiter held him against his will inside a car Saturday and threatened his life.

The complainant, Forrest Lee Beard, told The Star Press on Tuesday that recruiters from a Marion office had been dissatisfied with him and had been harrassing him after he withdrew from plans to enter the military.

"He just would not let me out," Beard said. "Whether he was obeying orders or whatever -- I'm a civilian. I don't have to abide by their rules."

Beard said Cpl. Michael Miller approached Beard on Saturday afternoon while he was working at Kohl's department store in Muncie.

Beard said he agreed to speak with Miller in an Army car parked in the store's lot after Beard's shift ended.

Once inside the car, Miller locked the car's doors, which have child-proof locks operated from the driver's area, and refused to allow Beard to leave, Beard said.

After about 20 minutes in the car, Miller became irate, apparently after receiving a cell phone call from his commanding officer, Beard said, and began threatening Beard.

"He told me he wanted to cut my throat and stab me in the chest," Beard said. "He continued on and on with this murder thing for about 10 minutes straight."

Beard said he believed some of Miller's anger was connected to the fact that Miller had been called in to work on a Saturday.

After about 30 minutes in the car, Miller allowed Beard to leave, Beard said.

Beard returned home and called both Miller's commanding officer and Muncie police, he said.

Phone calls by The Star Press to the Marion recruiting office were referred up the chain of command, eventually to the public affairs office of the Army recruiting battalion in Indianapolis.

Steve Lawson, a public affairs specialist, said he did not yet know enough about the allegations to comment on them.

"There's two things I can tell you," Lawson said. "First, it is our policy to follow up with all soldiers to make sure they are ready to ship to boot camp. Second, it's not our policy to go out and threaten anyone."

Lawson said that as of Tuesday, the Army was not conducting its own investigation, allowing the Delaware County prosecutor's office to determine the merit of Beard's allegations.

Delaware County Prosecutor Mark McKinney said Tuesday he had yet to receive reports on the case.

Beard said he considered joining the Army Reserves about two months ago, but that the Army had recently documented him as a full-time active-duty recruit.

When the Army failed to correct the error, Beard decided not to join, he said.

"It was issue after issue," he said.

Army recruits have no legal obligation to the military until after a swearing-in ceremony the day they ship off for boot camp, Lawson said.

Beard had not yet gone through that process.

The fact that Beard was not yet a soldier, Beard said, gives credit to his story.

"I don't have to make any of this up to get out," he said.

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I imagine behavior like this from both wary prospective enlistees and drained recruiters could happen more often in the near future.

[Unregistered]

Too true... I've already made sure 12 people in my family and their friends didn't join the military. (not even the Air Force, they asked? Nope... ;-)

And we're all spreading the word...

What about the Coast Guard?

[Unregistered]

Oh no... We're losers who "can't hack it" in the military. Wow. Bummer. And I had really wanted to go to a muster and get recalled just to please someone like you.

Oh well. Then I guess we don't have to go and get stop-lossed past our MSOs to die in Iraq for a corporate war that only enriches Bush's chickenhawk, draft-dodging cronies who made sure we don't have any healthcare or VA support or even the right supplies or armor.

So you go ahead and enjoy that PT Belt Chow in the sand now, ya hear - thanks for being their tool!

[Unregistered]

HRC is coming down on IRR with promotions for officers in the first monthly quarter of 2008, but it may be too late for those with an honorable discharge circa 1945. 15 minutes in line and a little recruiter’s butt mouth speaks. Just look at the Marine's recall of '04 and you can get a good handle on the Army's recall numbers for '08. In a month those with 40%-83% disability can qualify for a $500 bonus when reporting to muster formations (Fort Dix and Fort Tits only). Don't forget to bring your PT belt to the muster or you'll be beatin' face baby. I went to the muster and got LAID; it can happen to you too. That’s right folks, report to the muster and your chances of getting laid increase another 70% over next year's fiscal quarter.

You may have read this and asked “what the fuck is this guy talking about?" Funny, that’s the same thing I ask when reading half these posts, posts filled with pointless dribble. I called some guy a "tool" on here yesterday and his reply was “Jealous of us who are honorable?". I'd be happy to compare records dick-face. Anyone on here with a brain comparable to a cat, or Kuala bear (those little suckers are so damn cute) knows this muster is sour, just down right sour.

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HRC is coming down on IRR with promotions for officers in the first monthly quarter of 2008, but it may be too late for those with an honorable discharge circa 1945. 15 minutes in line and a little recruiter’s butt mouth speaks. Just look at the Marine's recall of '04 and you can get a good handle on the Army's recall numbers for '08. In a month those with 40%-83% disability can qualify for a $500 bonus when reporting to muster formations (Fort Dix and Fort Tits only). Don't forget to bring your PT belt to the muster or you'll be beatin' face baby. I went to the muster and got LAID; it can happen to you too. That’s right folks, report to the muster and your chances of getting laid increase another 70% over next year's fiscal quarter.

You may have read this and asked “what the fuck is this guy talking about?" Funny, that’s the same thing I ask when reading half these posts, posts filled with pointless dribble. I called some guy a "tool" on here yesterday and his reply was “Jealous of us who are honorable?". I'd be happy to compare records dick-face. Anyone on here with a brain comparable to a cat, or Kuala bear (those little suckers are so damn cute) knows this muster is sour, just down right sour.


This post...is awesome. I laughed. I cried. It's better than Cats.

The only thing I'm jealous of is the fact that I didn't write it.

[Unregistered]

HRC is coming down on IRR with promotions for officers in the first monthly quarter of 2008, but it may be too late for those with an honorable discharge circa 1945. 15 minutes in line and a little recruiter’s butt mouth speaks. Just look at the Marine's recall of '04 and you can get a good handle on the Army's recall numbers for '08. In a month those with 40%-83% disability can qualify for a $500 bonus when reporting to muster formations (Fort Dix and Fort Tits only). Don't forget to bring your PT belt to the muster or you'll be beatin' face baby. I went to the muster and got LAID; it can happen to you too. That’s right folks, report to the muster and your chances of getting laid increase another 70% over next year's fiscal quarter.

You may have read this and asked “what the fuck is this guy talking about?" Funny, that’s the same thing I ask when reading half these posts, posts filled with pointless dribble. I called some guy a "tool" on here yesterday and his reply was “Jealous of us who are honorable?". I'd be happy to compare records dick-face. Anyone on here with a brain comparable to a cat, or Kuala bear (those little suckers are so damn cute) knows this muster is sour, just down right sour.

I like talking to the WWII vets and seeing their face when I try to explain what's going on in Iraq. Only asking them about the Red Cross gets them madder.

[Unregistered]

I like talking to the WWII vets and seeing their face when I try to explain what's going on in Iraq. Only asking them about the Red Cross gets them madder.

I had this experience over the weekend. Very true

[Unregistered]

HRC is coming down on IRR with promotions for officers in the first monthly quarter of 2008, but it may be too late for those with an honorable discharge circa 1945. 15 minutes in line and a little recruiter’s butt mouth speaks. Just look at the Marine's recall of '04 and you can get a good handle on the Army's recall numbers for '08. In a month those with 40%-83% disability can qualify for a $500 bonus when reporting to muster formations (Fort Dix and Fort Tits only). Don't forget to bring your PT belt to the muster or you'll be beatin' face baby. I went to the muster and got LAID; it can happen to you too. That’s right folks, report to the muster and your chances of getting laid increase another 70% over next year's fiscal quarter.

You may have read this and asked “what the fuck is this guy talking about?" Funny, that’s the same thing I ask when reading half these posts, posts filled with pointless dribble. I called some guy a "tool" on here yesterday and his reply was “Jealous of us who are honorable?". I'd be happy to compare records dick-face. Anyone on here with a brain comparable to a cat, or Kuala bear (those little suckers are so damn cute) knows this muster is sour, just down right sour.

Best advice I've read on this blog yet - I'll follow it to the letter and go for broke wearing only a PT belt and a shit eating grin.

[Unregistered]

HRC is coming down on IRR with promotions for officers in the first monthly quarter of 2008, but it may be too late for those with an honorable discharge circa 1945. 15 minutes in line and a little recruiter’s butt mouth speaks. Just look at the Marine's recall of '04 and you can get a good handle on the Army's recall numbers for '08. In a month those with 40%-83% disability can qualify for a $500 bonus when reporting to muster formations (Fort Dix and Fort Tits only). Don't forget to bring your PT belt to the muster or you'll be beatin' face baby. I went to the muster and got LAID; it can happen to you too. That’s right folks, report to the muster and your chances of getting laid increase another 70% over next year's fiscal quarter.

You may have read this and asked “what the fuck is this guy talking about?" Funny, that’s the same thing I ask when reading half these posts, posts filled with pointless dribble. I called some guy a "tool" on here yesterday and his reply was “Jealous of us who are honorable?". I'd be happy to compare records dick-face. Anyone on here with a brain comparable to a cat, or Kuala bear (those little suckers are so damn cute) knows this muster is sour, just down right sour.


Best advice I've read on this blog yet - I'll follow it to the letter and go for broke wearing only a PT belt and a shit eating grin.


This is the best blog I've read. Hitler would love some of the folks in these blogs.

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This is the best blog I've read. Hitler would love some of the folks in these blogs.

What Saddam wouldn't?

[Unregistered]

This is the best blog I've read. Hitler would love some of the folks in these blogs.

Hitler would love the great taste of Cool Ranch Doritos. What's your point? Please elaborate.

Are you suggesting that the soldiers who brought Saddam to justice, defeated the Baathist army and cleared Fallujah of insurgents are Nazis for objecting to compulsory service that flagrantly violates the contractual MSO everyone enters into. No one agreed to be recalled for an occupation mission, only war or a national emergency.

Hey, we got five skins but only four shirts! Better cut a mob order.

[Captain Barbossa]

No, I think Hitler was more of an original Doritos kind of guy, not sure he would have liked the cool ranch taste.

[Captain Barbossa]

Here are 10 reasons why you shouldn't report back to the Iraq Garrison.

1. Wearing PT belts to the chow hall in Iraq.
2. Mandatory wear of "eye protection" aka plastic glasses on FOBS.
3. Sergeant Majors who sit on the FOBs and walk around in their pressed DCU's.
4. Constant 100% inventories and layouts.
5. "Leaders" who get bronze stars for sitting on the FOBS.
6. Taking APFT's in war zones.
7. No drinking policy.
8. Living quarters inspections conducted by those leaders who stay on the FOB.
9. Getting paid about 1/4 of what the contractors do.
10. Conducting morning PT runs in Iraq.

The missions didn't even bother me that much, it was all the dumb little crap like this that did.

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1. Sandbagging the TOC or higher's CHUs.
2. KP in between Force Protection.
3. Police calling everywhere you don't go.
4. Police calling everywhere you go but don't litter.
5. Dip spit everywhere.
6. Haji Guard. More Haji Guard. No sleep, but Haji Guard.
7. Being stuck out on a "brand new" frontier FOB while paid same or less than those at Speicher, BIAP, Anaconda, etc.
8. Arm DAPS. Underarm DAPS. Side SAPIs. Neck guard. Collar guard. Nape Kevlar. Nut blanket.
9. The best way to hunt bad guys is to take a convoy of uparmored 1114s on a night patrol, driving right alongside muddy and deep canals under blackout conditions in the smelliest places and the favorite route of IED emplacers.
10. If what we're doing is so important, why does America care more about 'American Idol' instead of going down to a Vet center and thanking the wounded and veterans? Why do those who don't answer the "call" live better lives, get paid better money, and don't worry about losing life and limb? You need a draft, throw in those who are physically fit but need to earn a day's pay through hard work - professional athletes. They apparently don't appreciate how rich they are.

[Captain Barbossa]

Good points...forgot about some of those

1-3. luckily didn't get stuck with those.
4. yep, know that feeling
5. ditto
6. especially in large Baghdad FOB's
7. Yeah, BIAP especially. They even had MP's running radar patrols on BIAP. They drove actual police cars, had radar guns....similar to garrison posts in the US. What the hell is some 1408 ticket (notice to commander, no fine) going to do to Haji? Not a damn thing.
8. Forgot how much I hated those things.
9. Some tactics were indeed stupid.
10. Agree 100%

Great post, thanks!

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you forgot...

1. Training the Iraqi Army - I never had to yell at a bunch of lazy, worthless, useless, corrupt assholes for hours a day before and never want to again. At least I knew if they didn't show up for work we were about to get mortared.

2. Driving through waste deep sewage in Sadr City. I know I caught several nasty diseases that will catch up with me later in life.

3. Having to watch the Mahdi Militia "guard" places and not being able to shoot at them when you know they're planting IEDs as soon as we drive around the corner.

4. Having my sensitive nature exposed to Haji shagging a donkey on the side of the road with buddy holding the donkey's head. Disturbing.

5. Seeing oh so many Hajis lift their rope and take a hefty one right on the sidewalk as I walk by at least once a week. Then proceed to wipe with the left hand - and these are the assholes we question about the bad guys.

6. VBIEDs

7. VCIEDs

8. EFPs

9. The nasty pressure plate 1000 lbs of explosive IEDs that can flip an Abrams and pop the turret off

10. Baghdad reeks.

Ahhh, feels good to bitch about it. Civilians just don't understand.

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has anyone received paperwork from HRC in the mail after they finished the online survey? i received paperwork asking me to verify my information again yet i already did that on the website and i even printed out the certificate.

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wheres the gung ho spirit? figure that after two or three deployments and musters, uncle sam wont have much left to kill.. i figure like this, i dont smoke so somethings gotta kill me.!

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you forgot...

1. Training the Iraqi Army - I never had to yell at a bunch of lazy, worthless, useless, corrupt assholes for hours a day before and never want to again. At least I knew if they didn't show up for work we were about to get mortared.

2. Driving through waste deep sewage in Sadr City. I know I caught several nasty diseases that will catch up with me later in life.

3. Having to watch the Mahdi Militia "guard" places and not being able to shoot at them when you know they're planting IEDs as soon as we drive around the corner.

4. Having my sensitive nature exposed to Haji shagging a donkey on the side of the road with buddy holding the donkey's head. Disturbing.

5. Seeing oh so many Hajis lift their rope and take a hefty one right on the sidewalk as I walk by at least once a week. Then proceed to wipe with the left hand - and these are the assholes we question about the bad guys.

6. VBIEDs

7. VCIEDs

8. EFPs

9. The nasty pressure plate 1000 lbs of explosive IEDs that can flip an Abrams and pop the turret off

10. Baghdad reeks.

Ahhh, feels good to bitch about it. Civilians just don't understand.



all this just for oil. i can't wait till i run for office one day. i'll lie and cheat, yes sir!

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Ultimate Fighter Champions Kenny Florian, Jorge Rivera, Heath Herring, and Octagon Girl Amber Nichole Miller joined fans of the sport to fill Afghanistan's Camp Vance combatives building with UFC action.

“Everywhere we went, we received a warm welcome from UFC fans,” said Herring. “A lot of Soldiers take their fitness very seriously, and I think UFC has a basic appeal to all athletes. Even if someone isn’t an especially aggressive person, they can appreciate the contest of strength aspect.”

“At the smaller fire bases, you could tell that they don’t get a lot of visitors; so you could definitely say I got some extra attention,” said Miller, a Las Vegas native. “One guy at one of them told us that they hadn’t seen a female who wasn’t local in 15 months. If I can bring a little piece of what makes America home, that’s awesome.”

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That's great, but do these women realize a glimpse is great, but it's not what the single males REALLY need? Twelve months, fifteen months, you have 14-18 days to balance family, fun, and getting laid, IF you live to use your R&R? I know many who didn't. There are just too few or no females at the FOBs and of them, only a few will fuck, and the ratio is 400 to 1, so tough for the other 399 guys? American soldiers got to enjoy non-American women wherever they could in the end of WW2 in Europe, after WW2 in Japan, Vietnam. I know some guys in OIF 1 who enjoyed some translator women and there were some rumors of a female LT on FOB _______ later on who'd charge 500 a head but by and large, you go without! It's very misogynistic to say so, but I'm just speaking the truth, that the least American women could do is fuck a soldier. Deployed, about to be deployed, coming back from a deployment, a veteran, fuck him! I'm not saying we guys should no longer enjoy picking women up, dating, casual to serious stuff, but it's like an honest thank you. You want honesty, I'm being honest. Toiletries, candy, novels, DVDs, it's all great, I thank the USO and all who send that stuff over here, but we need women!

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Ultimate Fighter Champions Kenny Florian, Jorge Rivera, Heath Herring, and Octagon Girl Amber Nichole Miller joined fans of the sport to fill Afghanistan's Camp Vance combatives building with UFC action.

“Everywhere we went, we received a warm welcome from UFC fans,” said Herring. “A lot of Soldiers take their fitness very seriously, and I think UFC has a basic appeal to all athletes. Even if someone isn’t an especially aggressive person, they can appreciate the contest of strength aspect.”

“At the smaller fire bases, you could tell that they don’t get a lot of visitors; so you could definitely say I got some extra attention,” said Miller, a Las Vegas native. “One guy at one of them told us that they hadn’t seen a female who wasn’t local in 15 months. If I can bring a little piece of what makes America home, that’s awesome.”

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That's great, but do these women realize a glimpse is great, but it's not what the single males REALLY need? Twelve months, fifteen months, you have 14-18 days to balance family, fun, and getting laid, IF you live to use your R&R? I know many who didn't. There are just too few or no females at the FOBs and of them, only a few will fuck, and the ratio is 400 to 1, so tough for the other 399 guys? American soldiers got to enjoy non-American women wherever they could in the end of WW2 in Europe, after WW2 in Japan, Vietnam. I know some guys in OIF 1 who enjoyed some translator women and there were some rumors of a female LT on FOB _______ later on who'd charge 500 a head but by and large, you go without! It's very misogynistic to say so, but I'm just speaking the truth, that the least American women could do is fuck a soldier. Deployed, about to be deployed, coming back from a deployment, a veteran, fuck him! I'm not saying we guys should no longer enjoy picking women up, dating, casual to serious stuff, but it's like an honest thank you. You want honesty, I'm being honest. Toiletries, candy, novels, DVDs, it's all great, I thank the USO and all who send that stuff over here, but we need women!

since when did we all get off the subject of this thread?

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since when did we all get off the subject of this thread?

i see that as well. this thread was informative now it is just a side show

[Unregistered]

People! Let's get back on track. Can we begint o compile a list of names and circumstances of those who've been recalled and deployed?

SPC Jacob Sidwa

CPT Steve Smith

CPT Andrew Exnicos

Those who've died on stop-loss:

SGT Mark Maida

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Here are the latest posts from another website regarding the muster....take it for what you think it is worth.


Finally heard back from the retention NCO at the site where I'm to muster. It's a 1-hour appointment during which records/contact information will be updated if need be, a video on the IRR will be shown (the NCO hadn't seen it yet) and we'd be given a briefing on the Reserves (i.e., the "hard sell"). There's no medical or dental component to this muster, but they do want you to bring a voided check so you can get that big money for the day as well as the Individual Warrior Screening Portal certificate if you've finished that online.

Posted by: waiting | July 13, 2007 at 04:27 PM


Sounds very fishy. They pay you $168 (I think) for an hour's work? And you still have to give your bank account info? Plus all your personal and employer info? I dunno... I kind of think they're going to want something for their money. They always do.

Essentially it sounds just like all the stuff we've already talked about. They'll give you the hard sell, take all your most personal and financial information, and then send you on your way...until they call back for Iraq.

So if you've already served your time, choose wisely about this muster.

Posted by: Steve | July 13, 2007 at 05:29 PM


I think they will tag the ones that show to the Musters with MOB Orders. HRC will always take the easy way out. They get a list of people that followed an Order to attend the Muster then they have a good idea that the same list will comply with Orders to Iraq or Asscrakistain. Simple as that!

Posted by: OutNow | July 13, 2007 at 05:38 PM

Think your right on the money with this. They are gonna use you ones (like) who actually show up to this bullshit to fill the void they have all over the ARMY?USAR. It just goes with the a-typical army pattern of fucking the people that actually care about doing there duty and doing there best. None the less, I will still go
I can't fine it in my being to not do as I swore to do. No matter how many times I,ve already done the sand box fuckfest. Nione the less I not hating on you guys that were good soldiers who don't go to this bullshit.
I will hate on the ones you refuse MOB because we all did sign up for that.

But this bullshit of 'annual training' is fuck look over your original contract it does not say shit about it. So you didn't sign up for it. But, none the less the rules change and men who did there duty get fucked, while rich Marxist cunts do nothing. Oh well.

By the way just a heads up my old platoon mate got MOB to go into a National Guard unit in S.C. and he lives in fucking Flint, M.I. I don't know about the rest of you but as a former grunt I sure as fuck do not want to be put in some shitty ass Nasty or reserve units full of fat fucks that don't know what the fuck they are doing form bumb fuck Alabama of Lucifer New Mexico or some shit that are gonna get you killed. This seem like to worst fate to me. Does anyone know if you can actually get back into the Active duty Army if they MOB you to a reserve units? I mean if they call me to a unit in Georgia I much rather just to go back to my old unit in the 82nd in Iraq.

J. Tzimisces, Former Paratrooper

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Yes I just got of the army about 6 months ago active duty with the 173rd abn brigade. I did 3 years with a tour overseas. I just got some dumb ass orders saying that I am to report to some reserve unit in another state. The man who sent the orders had his telephone # on them so I called him. He told me that this is something new that is coming down and that I am gonna have to go. What a bunch of bullshit. He did say that with this new thing that they are trying to do is get IRR soldiers in a unit instead of floating around. I told him I would rather float around and take my chances of being called back then be at a unit and take a chance there. The kicker is that I have to do this thing once a month like a reserve soldier and he told me that I can go up there and tell them that I dont want to come back if I dont want to and be put back in the floating system. So I called the unit and was talking to them and they told me that I couldnt do that and I am with them now. Well what a bunch of horse shit. I am not a reservist I did not swear in or sign any damn papers. What a bunch of bullshit. You dont know how mad I am. I was a 11b and now i am gonna be some paper pusher. What the hell. IF anybody has any kind of insight please reply because I just may get thrown in jail this coming weekend. I gave the army a good 3 years and would have died for my country and this is the shit I get. Now I know I have a duty to do for 8 years but come on. Trying to make me be a reservist and I didnt even sign any papers.


P.P.S.Hey Bro they tried this same bullshit to me. I don't know your situational details but they said the same to me I was in the Reserve and had to show up to muster in some unit near where I live. I called every fucking Reserve I.G. until they fixed the problem. Basically they tried to bully me into a reserve unit. I fought it, unless you have been MOBed I would do the same. They can force you into a USAR job if you didn't sign the papers unless they actually MOB you. Thew only problem is if you don't handle it right then the may just Mob you for spite. I fought it and just told them the truth. I don't want to be in the USAR, if they MOB me than fine i'll go and get my legs bowen off. But I'm not gonna do this USAR crap unless you can some me where I signed up to be in a USAR UNIT. I would check into your situation with the your I.G. If that does not produce anything then start talking to your congress men and get something rolling.

Like I said we all sign up to be called back but, Its bullshit that they are bullying you into USAR bullshit you did NOT sign up for. GoodLUCK with that.

J. Tzimisces, Former Paratrooper

P.s. If you want anymore info on what I did reply to this message and I'll tell you more. Don't get fucked by the USAR,until you have to,Until they MOB you.

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Muster Duty:

Just got back for this. The retention officer there said In major cities where there are alot of IRR, these people had to do a physical. which it why it took alot long for some. For me, I just went it and he told me about some benefits of joining the reserves and if I chose to get when my MSO was up then I could. So i asked him whats up with all this muster shit? He said looks to me like HRC f'ed up and are trying to update shit they were supposed to be doing all the time. Just then some Fat E-7 said well I don't know, it seems a bit weird to me. Forget you Fattie, go eat some more donuts and quit trying to scare me with all your tactics. Then he tried to talk about the 2 year deferment. pfft......

Guys & Gals, what I got from this? They gave me a booklet about the IRR and what you entitled to and some other bull. Published May 2007. Same time we all got orders....... HRC f'ed up and are trying to fix it. Looks like this will be an annual thing for everyone.

We also talked about VA benefits. He said if you have anything wrong go and get it looked at. I have a very f'ed up neck but haven't wanted to claim it because I wanted to cut all strings from the army and wait out my time. After this i'm going to call and make an appointment to get some money from these fags. Februrary I'll be done and still drawing money, (hopefully).

I'll admit, I was a bit nervous about going but said forget it and went. After going and seeing they hate HRC for fing up, I feel a bit better.

In closing, F all the fags who love the army and think its the best thing. Have fun fighting for something that can't possibly be won. Terror will always be here. Once we kill a terrorist leader, they breed another. Go F yourself if you think it can be won. We'll see in 20 years when we are still in Iraq cause they keep breeding. Good Day.

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P.P.S.Hey Bro they tried this same bullshit to me. I don't know your situational details but they said the same to me I was in the Reserve and had to show up to muster in some unit near where I live. I called every fucking Reserve I.G. until they fixed the problem. Basically they tried to bully me into a reserve unit. I fought it, unless you have been MOBed I would do the same. They can force you into a USAR job if you didn't sign the papers unless they actually MOB you. Thew only problem is if you don't handle it right then the may just Mob you for spite. I fought it and just told them the truth. I don't want to be in the USAR, if they MOB me than fine i'll go and get my legs bowen off. But I'm not gonna do this USAR crap unless you can some me where I signed up to be in a USAR UNIT. I would check into your situation with the your I.G. If that does not produce anything then start talking to your congress men and get something rolling.

Like I said we all sign up to be called back but, Its bullshit that they are bullying you into USAR bullshit you did NOT sign up for. GoodLUCK with that.

J. Tzimisces, Former Paratrooper

P.s. If you want anymore info on what I did reply to this message and I'll tell you more. Don't get fucked by the USAR,until you have to,Until they MOB you.

iam quite confused by what you have been talking about. i mean sure they are gonna try to bully people into the reserve units but just say no. i have never heard of them trying this before. but i do agree that you should talk to IG about it. i understand about being loyal and showing up to the muster so what is the real issue here? did you hear of something that we all should be aware of?

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Muster Duty:

Just got back for this. The retention officer there said In major cities where there are alot of IRR, these people had to do a physical. which it why it took alot long for some. For me, I just went it and he told me about some benefits of joining the reserves and if I chose to get when my MSO was up then I could. So i asked him whats up with all this muster shit? He said looks to me like HRC f'ed up and are trying to update shit they were supposed to be doing all the time. Just then some Fat E-7 said well I don't know, it seems a bit weird to me. Forget you Fattie, go eat some more donuts and quit trying to scare me with all your tactics. Then he tried to talk about the 2 year deferment. pfft......

Guys & Gals, what I got from this? They gave me a booklet about the IRR and what you entitled to and some other bull. Published May 2007. Same time we all got orders....... HRC f'ed up and are trying to fix it. Looks like this will be an annual thing for everyone.

We also talked about VA benefits. He said if you have anything wrong go and get it looked at. I have a very f'ed up neck but haven't wanted to claim it because I wanted to cut all strings from the army and wait out my time. After this i'm going to call and make an appointment to get some money from these fags. Februrary I'll be done and still drawing money, (hopefully).

I'll admit, I was a bit nervous about going but said forget it and went. After going and seeing they hate HRC for fing up, I feel a bit better.

In closing, F all the fags who love the army and think its the best thing. Have fun fighting for something that can't possibly be won. Terror will always be here. Once we kill a terrorist leader, they breed another. Go F yourself if you think it can be won. We'll see in 20 years when we are still in Iraq cause they keep breeding. Good Day.

interesting post my friend . where did you go for your muster? i have to go to meade and do the readiness physical and shit. i am not looking forward to it and i still may not show up. oh and by the way you should really fill out the application for VA compensation. any amount of money will help but expect them to take a shit load of x-rays for your neck! good luck !

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interesting post my friend . where did you go for your muster? i have to go to meade and do the readiness physical and shit. i am not looking forward to it and i still may not show up. oh and by the way you should really fill out the application for VA compensation. any amount of money will help but expect them to take a shit load of x-rays for your neck! good luck !

Local reserve station here in Ohio. I would say don't go cause of the length, but I really think they'll start pressuring people who don't go. Take a look at your DD214, it's states you can be called up for Muster Duty. Which means it is legal. Good luck to you as well my friend. Hope everything works out.

www.ivaw.com

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Local reserve station here in Ohio. I would say don't go cause of the length, but I really think they'll start pressuring people who don't go. Take a look at your DD214, it's states you can be called up for Muster Duty. Which means it is legal. Good luck to you as well my friend. Hope everything works out.

www.ivaw.com

i am originally from ohio. which station are you at?

[going tomorrow]

im going to my muster tomorrow.

i did 2 years in iraq already OIF 1 and 3.

i have 2.5 years left on IRR....

i gained 15 lbs since i got our and can run 1 mile.. barely.... used to run it in 14:30 or soo...

but since i saw the video on youtube i dont think they care hahaha..

got pulse?

you good!

hold this rifle and drive that truck.

what you played a tuba?

thats ok your still a soldier go drive that truck.

ill let u all know how it went tomorrow.

cheers

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I have read a great deal of these blogs. I can agree with a lot of the top 10 lists. When I went to Iraq it was April 03 to April 04. WoW.... I nearly shit my pants when they first started running MP radar patrols on LSA Anaconda... I was thinking WTF.. Why are we wasting MPs on post for bullshit like this when they can be out where the real action is.. Stupid.. I do NOT miss the dust, dirt, excessive heat, disgruntled Iraqis, Iraqi army being LAZY pieces of shit, and hajji guard.. No wonder why they cant get their shit together cause they are ALL LAZY... Why should Americans go over there and do the dirty work while they think they can get a free ride??? They dont want us there, but then when you talk to them and say that we would love to leave, they all get confused?? So I have this IRR thing on Monday, I'll go in and listen to what he has to say, probably gonna try the ole used car salesmen tactic on making me sign up for some USAR bullshit.. Oh ya, and how many of you constantly got update information in the mail from St. Louis, MO.. I must of filled out about 3-4 of those change of address forms. Retards there cant get a simple change of address right. They still send shit up to my parents house where I entered the army. On one of the lines that said, "are there any physical or mental disabilities that prevent you from entering active duty".. I replied that I was a homosexual and that is forbidden in the military... I mailed it in, and some SFC called me and wanted to talk to me, left his number, I called him back like 3 times and he never once got back to me.. Whatever. Army fucks you over, so why not fuck them over. True, we did sign up for it and on the DD214 it says that we are subject to muster duty, but by no means I am going to willingly sign up for some bullshit USAR.. Line E of the muster order says, "report in everyday civilian attire, PT and haircut standards will not be enforced". I wonder what would happen if I showed up dressed like dolly parton with huge tits... What if thats my everyday attire?? LOL.. Not sure if I have the balls to do that tho, but would love to see the look on the SFC face..

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Local reserve station here in Ohio. I would say don't go cause of the length, but I really think they'll start pressuring people who don't go. Take a look at your DD214, it's states you can be called up for Muster Duty. Which means it is legal. Good luck to you as well my friend. Hope everything works out.

www.ivaw.com

It's actually not legal. Thanks to activist judges and Gonzo scaring the Justice Department from enforcing the Constitution and our contracts, HRC is abusing soldiers.

And it's all just a precepice to the big IRR Recall in 2008 when the current IRR folks finish their tours.

If you muster, you will more than likely be recalled.

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:) Yeah, you go to that muster because our government clearly never lies.

Never.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/ap_on_re_us/tillman_friendly_fire


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070727/ap_on_go_co/congress_gonzales

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Bush, Cheney, Rummy, et al, will probably never sleep well once out of office, because if being kicked out of SFAS was enough for Timothy McVeigh to put innocent people to death, there's bound to be some crazy hurt OIF/OEF vets who'd want reciprocity on the ones who recklessly sent them over there.

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1. It's actually not legal. Thanks to activist judges and Gonzo scaring the Justice Department from enforcing the Constitution and our contracts, HRC is abusing soldiers.

2. And it's all just a precepice to the big IRR Recall in 2008 when the current IRR folks finish their tours.

3. If you muster, you will more than likely be recalled.

1. Wishful thinking...
2. "Precepice"???
3. Dire predictions of doom anf gloom! The world will end on March 1st, 2008!

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It's actually not legal. Thanks to activist judges and Gonzo scaring the Justice Department from enforcing the Constitution and our contracts, HRC is abusing soldiers.

And it's all just a precepice to the big IRR Recall in 2008 when the current IRR folks finish their tours.

If you muster, you will more than likely be recalled.

I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of what you are saying. But it definitely is legal. Don't give people bad info.

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I wholeheartedly agree with the sentiment of what you are saying. But it definitely is legal. Don't give people bad info.

has anyone been to one of the readiness musters?

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has anyone been to one of the readiness musters?

Yes, Me. Waste of time. Another ploy to bring you back in.


Muster Duty:

Just got back for this. The retention officer there said In major cities where there are alot of IRR, these people had to do a physical. which it why it took alot long for some. For me, I just went it and he told me about some benefits of joining the reserves and if I chose to get when my MSO was up then I could. So i asked him whats up with all this muster shit? He said looks to me like HRC f'ed up and are trying to update shit they were supposed to be doing all the time. Just then some Fat E-7 said well I don't know, it seems a bit weird to me. Forget you Fattie, go eat some more donuts and quit trying to scare me with all your tactics. Then he tried to talk about the 2 year deferment. pfft......

Guys & Gals, what I got from this? They gave me a booklet about the IRR and what you entitled to and some other bull. Published May 2007. Same time we all got orders....... HRC f'ed up and are trying to fix it. Looks like this will be an annual thing for everyone.

We also talked about VA benefits. He said if you have anything wrong go and get it looked at. I have a very f'ed up neck but haven't wanted to claim it because I wanted to cut all strings from the army and wait out my time. After this i'm going to call and make an appointment to get some money from these fags. Februrary I'll be done and still drawing money, (hopefully).

I'll admit, I was a bit nervous about going but said forget it and went. After going and seeing they hate HRC for fing up, I feel a bit better.

In closing, F all the fags who love the army and think its the best thing. Have fun fighting for something that can't possibly be won. Terror will always be here. Once we kill a terrorist leader, they breed another. Go F yourself if you think it can be won. We'll see in 20 years when we are still in Iraq cause they keep breeding. Good Day.

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Yes, Me. Waste of time. Another ploy to bring you back in.

no i read your post that sounds like an accountability muster the readiness muster is the one withthe physical and dental.

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no i read your post that sounds like an accountability muster the readiness muster is the one withthe physical and dental.

You're absolutely right! There has only been one readiness muster so far. It was in Los Alamitos, CA a couple weeks ago. By the end of the summer there will have been a total of four of these, held in four different locations .

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Has anyone else (former soldiers) gotten flak from gung-ho former Marines about how we percieve and respond to IRR musters (new to most of us, but not ot he USMC, apparently) and IRR recalls? The majority of them seem to have no problem with jumping back in. Does anyone know how long they are mobilized for?
Because it seems soldiers have been recalled for anywhere from 575 to 700 plus days and that, plus the possibility of being blown up and no one caring might have something to do about soldiers' not being quite as enthusiastic.

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You're absolutely right! There has only been one readiness muster so far. It was in Los Alamitos, CA a couple weeks ago. By the end of the summer there will have been a total of four of these, held in four different locations .

unless they did away with the readiness musters?! i think this muster shit runs through august so there is not much time left for them to get this test run complete.

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Has anyone else (former soldiers) gotten flak from gung-ho former Marines about how we percieve and respond to IRR musters (new to most of us, but not ot he USMC, apparently) and IRR recalls? The majority of them seem to have no problem with jumping back in. Does anyone know how long they are mobilized for?
Because it seems soldiers have been recalled for anywhere from 575 to 700 plus days and that, plus the possibility of being blown up and no one caring might have something to do about soldiers' not being quite as enthusiastic.

Yes Im sure there are alot of ate up former jarheads that want nothing more than to return to Iraq but I recall reading a story saying that 25% of IRR Marines are not able to be contacted because of bad or no forward adress. Im sure there are many, many former Marines that are feed up with this BS and just want to move on with their lives. You can go to Military.com and check there Forums and see just how ate up some of these people are. My advice to them is to stay in the service and enjoy your deployments. Only 18% of people who join the military retire from the military.

Think about it. By and large, most people in the IRR wanted to seperate from the Military for some reason. Yes there are a few that want to keep their foot in the door or want 20 good years for retirement but I would think that % would be very low.

Note to HRC. If we wanted to stay in the Army and continue serving, we would have stayed in the Army.

[Unregistered]

iam quite confused by what you have been talking about. i mean sure they are gonna try to bully people into the reserve units but just say no. i have never heard of them trying this before. but i do agree that you should talk to IG about it. i understand about being loyal and showing up to the muster so what is the real issue here? did you hear of something that we all should be aware of?

I'm not talking about the Muster here. I talking about a problem another guy is having with a USAR unit that say he is now "with them' despite the fact that he did not sign up to do so. I think he is saying that He is not MOBed. I.G. "called back" to deploy but they are making him to to drill with a U.S.A.R. unit near his home. This same thing happened to me right after I got out of the 82nd. They said I was in Reserve unit near my home now despite the fact that I did not sign up for one. When I called to explain that to them they basically tried to tell me "oh well' your in now you have to show up to drill. I told them I did not sign, or raise my right hand. They said "oh well." well your fucked anyway. So I called I.G. they looked inot it and after a few months or so the got me released from the U.S.A.R. back into the IRR. Now my point is if they have not MOBed you then they cannot make you go to weekend drill ,as a part of there unit until they do, MOB you. We all are subject to this annual Muster bullshit and to be called back or MOBed. But I pretty sure they cannot force you into a USAR unless the MOB you first. Otherwise they would not have let me out. They let me out because I was not MOBed, some unit just tried to bully me into being in it, Basically. And form what this other guy from the 173rd said they are now doing the s\me thing to him. That is all I.m talking about. Involuntary duty in a local Reserve unit with an actual official MOBed or "call back" that we all signed up for. If this is happening to anybody else I would fight it, I did and won. Now I just subject to call back like everyone else instead of having to go to drill once a month.


J.Tzimisces,

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It is amazing there is no public outrage over these practices. One ugly mother (Don Imus) says "Nappy Headed Hos" (I guess If I were a chick I could be offended by the 'Ho' comment, but bad hair is something to bitch about?) and shit blows up like the Godfather! Guy loses his job, national inquiry nationwide outrage, endless debates... about a three word comment with less racial connotations than what's glorified in half of the rap videos and music out there.

Guys ripped from their civilian lives after ALREADY having served YEARS in OIF or OEF or both and brought back in the ARMY no one (99.4% of America) wants to serve even for a day, for shit wages and shit care...
"Oh. Well, you signed up for it. Being used and abused that is. And we have better things to do. But what you're doing is so important to our survival. So you do it. And it's so important, we're going to pay you less than we pay politicians to do nothing, for actors to pretend, for athletes to run around and do fucked up stuff, and basically, anyone with a job that pays better than minimum wage."

[Unregistered]

went to my IRR muster today.....

everyone was very nice and professional....

only 2 other people there at that time...

got in and out in less than 2 hours :p


didnt sign up for anything.

tried to push the 24 month stab thing...

also offering 10 K for AGR...

no thanks...

[Unregistered]

iam quite confused by what you have been talking about. i mean sure they are gonna try to bully people into the reserve units but just say no. i have never heard of them trying this before. but i do agree that you should talk to IG about it. i understand about being loyal and showing up to the muster so what is the real issue here? did you hear of something that we all should be aware of?

I not talking about pressure from recruiters, I'm talking about a USAR unit telling you are part of that unit and must come to a drill even though you did not sign up for the USAR and are not MOBed. This happened to me and and it looks like I'm not the only one. This unit near my home told me I was AWOL because I didn't show to a drill. Somehow the put I got on there books with out ever signing up and they tried to make me part of the unit anyway. I don't know if i can make it more clear, they did not try to get me into the unit. They said I was in the unit already and was simply fucked, even if I didn't sign any paper work. But, I.G. fixed that shit!

J.Tzimisces

[Unregistered]

went to my IRR muster today.....

everyone was very nice and professional....

only 2 other people there at that time...

got in and out in less than 2 hours :p


didnt sign up for anything.

tried to push the 24 month stab thing...

also offering 10 K for AGR...

no thanks...

We're totally nice and professional - thanks for noticing! And thanks for your info. We'll give you a holler in early 2008 to recall the IRR for Iraq. Thanks again!

[Unregistered]

@J.Tzimisces,

What did the USAR unit say/do after you fixed their fuck-up?

[Unregistered]

at J.Tzimisces,

yeah, was anyone investigated or held accountable? I've seen privates held accountable for chickenshit and get smoked/punished/art15'ed/etc. Something like backhandedly putting you on their rolls ought to invite 10 times the pain.

[Unregistered]

unless they did away with the readiness musters?! i think this muster shit runs through august so there is not much time left for them to get this test run complete.

Right again! Three more readiness musters, various parts of the country, completed by the end of August. Don't know for sure what the time line is for the accountability musters...

[Unregistered]

We're totally nice and professional - thanks for noticing! And thanks for your info. We'll give you a holler in early 2008 to recall the IRR for Iraq. Thanks again!


maybe so...

but the difference between me and other people is that i will honor my commitment and the paper i signed.

yah i already did 2 years in iraq.

but guess what i signed that paper... they got me for 2.5 more years.

oh dont get me wrong ill bitch and complain like you have never seen... and ill talk so much shit..

that is the army soldier way :)

[Captain Barbossa]

Go ahead and honor the almighty piece of paper. I have more important committments to my family that over ride irr contract.

[Unregistered]

Go ahead and honor the almighty piece of paper. I have more important committments to my family that over ride irr contract.

i agree i am not even reporting if i get mob orders. i wil go to the muster but only give them bum information

[Unregistered]

"Oh. Well, you signed up for it. Being used and abused that is. And we have better things to do. But what you're doing is so important to our survival. So you do it. And it's so important, we're going to pay you less than we pay politicians to do nothing, for actors to pretend, for athletes to run around and do fucked up stuff, and basically, anyone with a job that pays better than minimum wage."

No one put a gun to your head, we all enlisted of our own free will and will go where we're told and fight and win. I'm getting paid less than most of you (E-3 pay) and don't care, I signed up to fight and when I deploy to Iraq in the future I will watch my buddies' backs and my own. There is so much complaining from fellow soldiers, why did you sign up then?

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No one put a gun to your head, we all enlisted of our own free will and will go where we're told and fight and win. I'm getting paid less than most of you (E-3 pay) and don't care, I signed up to fight and when I deploy to Iraq in the future I will watch my buddies' backs and my own. There is so much complaining from fellow soldiers, why did you sign up then?

blah blah blah. just the some old crap from one of the stupid soldiers. hey when you see through the lies and bullshit then you will think differently. so take your phony patriotism and your flag, and your oil war and your stupid president and shove them all nice and neatly up your e-3 ass...loser

[Unregistered]

Troll!

On another note, I had a talk with guys who've been to Iraq but didn't participate in the invasion or OIF 1. They obviously have had a deadlier time post OIF 1 but I doubt they had it as hard as guys who didn't arrive and move into CHUs, pre set up facilities, showers, internet, KBR, etc.

[Unregistered]

maybe so...

but the difference between me and other people is that i will honor my commitment and the paper i signed.

yah i already did 2 years in iraq.

but guess what i signed that paper... they got me for 2.5 more years.

oh dont get me wrong ill bitch and complain like you have never seen... and ill talk so much shit..

that is the army soldier way :)

That's adorable! But that honor is one-way.

You may honor the contract, but the Army won't.

They'll recall you more and more often for longer and longer tours - and they'll go beyond your "contract's" military service obligation (MSO) because they'll stop-loss you indefinitely. Enjoy! :)

[Unregistered]

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/REPOSITORY/707260308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. But does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? You'll be recalled. To Iraq or Afganistan. In 2008.

[Unregistered]

Look if your sure you want to completely cut ties with the Army just do this...Go where you update your information and put a completely wrong adress and contact number and dont show up for the muster. They will never be able to get a hold of you again. Your welcome, I just saved you life/marriage/family/job/future

[Unregistered]

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/REPOSITORY/707260308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. But does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? You'll be recalled. To Iraq or Afganistan. In 2008.

Whoa. It's not quite an admission that the muster is part of the IRR Recall but it's as close as the Army would ever get in print these days...

[Unregistered]

Look if your sure you want to completely cut ties with the Army just do this...Go where you update your information and put a completely wrong adress and contact number and dont show up for the muster. They will never be able to get a hold of you again. Your welcome, I just saved you life/marriage/family/job/future

And change banks with no forwarding adress. They require direct deposit info so they can pay you your whooping $176.00!

You could also them em you have turned gay since seperating from the Army. Might not work for IRR recalls since they take 300 pound guys. Does anyone else think this recall shit stinks when they call guys they chaptered out of the Army years ago back to active duty? If they were not good enough for the Army when they were booted out why are they good enough now?

[Unregistered]

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/REPOSITORY/707260308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. But does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? You'll be recalled. To Iraq or Afganistan. In 2008.

Alright Brainiac... First, there have been ZERO involuntary retiree recalls! If the CA retiree came back active, he volunteered to do so. There's no other way it's done.

Second, you're so brilliant! You're saying that 30,000 IRR Soldiers will be mobilized in early 2008... Mark that down and report back next summer how STUPID a prediction that really is!

[Unregistered]

@J.Tzimisces,

What did the USAR unit say/do after you fixed their fuck-up?

I never actually talked to the unit again after the I.G. sent me my release papers to the IRR. After I got those release papers, I just called St. Louis to make sure I was back in the IRR and all was well. Since everything checked out I never bothered with the unit again.

J.Tzimisces

[Unregistered]

at J.Tzimisces,

yeah, was anyone investigated or held accountable? I've seen privates held accountable for chickenshit and get smoked/punished/art15'ed/etc. Something like backhandedly putting you on their rolls ought to invite 10 times the pain.

Nobody was held accountable to my knowledge. They chalked the whole thing up to a "computer error" that happened when i was at the mandatory 'briefing with the retention NCOs while i was clearing at Ft. Bragg.
Im not sure it may well have started a an error I guess that is possible, but the fucked up part was the way the unit didn't even bother to look into what I was telling them and basically just had the "whatever your in deal with it" attitude. And I even took me talking to at least ten different I.G. offices up and down the East coast before anyone would really believe me enough to check into what happened. I Finally got a squared away NCO who work in an I.G. office to try and track down a paper trail on me, through the normal reserve channels. When he found that there was no trial at alll he knew that I was telling the truth and got me released from the units command back into the IRR.

J.Tzimisces

[Unregistered]

Originally Posted by Unregistered
Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. But does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? You'll be recalled. To Iraq or Afganistan. In 2008.

>>>>Alright Brainiac... First, there have been ZERO involuntary retiree recalls! If the CA retiree came back active, he volunteered to do so. There's no other way it's done.

Second, you're so brilliant! You're saying that 30,000 IRR Soldiers will be mobilized in early 2008... Mark that down and report back next summer how STUPID a prediction that really is!>>>>


I love when these guys get so emotional...like a girl. Ha!

Actually, if you read this article, you'll see that this 49 year old retiree was himself involuntarily recalled. But I love that this little lady (probably a recuiter no matter what they say) did no research and then screeched his shrill lies in ALL CAPS with an exclaimation point. That's hilarious. Lighten up, Francis...

And nobody said that all 30,000 would be recalled. The Army always asks for more than it needs because a certain number of people can't deploy, won't go, etc... But there will be thousands of IRR folks recalled in 2008. And if you go to a muster, you will likely be one of the lucky folks reactivated for Iraq. Why? Because lots of people aren't going to the muster. So if you're one of the folks who do choose to go, you increased your recall exponentially.

So believe it or not. Doesn't matter to us. We have inside information and want folks to be informed that *when they go to a muster, their chances of being part of the 2008 IRR Recall will be drastically increased to the point where it's more than likely.*

I'm sure no one will take your advice since it was easy to show you were wrong point by point. But we love laughing at you so keep up the crazy rantings!

[Unregistered]

Alright Brainiac... First, there have been ZERO involuntary retiree recalls! If the CA retiree came back active, he volunteered to do so. There's no other way it's done.

Second, you're so brilliant! You're saying that 30,000 IRR Soldiers will be mobilized in early 2008... Mark that down and report back next summer how STUPID a prediction that really is!

Hmm, actually you should definitely ignore this lunatic. He clearly has an agenda to dissuade folks from reading the Army's own statement. Why else would want to have people not read the article - unless he had a recruiter's quota... :) He's clearly someone trying to make a disturbance so folks won't read that article that seems to pretty much prove there's going to be a huge IRR Recall at the end of the muster.

<b>"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."</b>

[Unregistered]

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/REPOSITORY/707260308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. But does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? You'll be recalled. To Iraq or Afganistan. In 2008.

Dang, that pretty much proves the muster is part of the IRR Recall. I agree with that Colonel who said it's as close as the Army would ever get in print these days to admit their muster and recall are one and the same...

[Unregistered]

Anyone know how true this is:

Gates actively involved in planning for US force drawdown: letter
Thu Jul 26, 4:13 PM ET
WASHINGTON (AFP) - US Defense Secretary Robert Gates said in a letter made public Thursday he is actively involved in planning for a draw down of US forces in Iraq.

Gates' comments on the subject was in response to a letter from Senator Hillary Clinton requesting briefings on contingency planning for a future withdrawal of US forces.

In his response, Gates rebuffed the request but promised to find a way "to keep you apprised of the conceptual thinking, factors, considerations, questions and objectives associated with draw down planning."

"Further, you may rest assured that such planning is indeed taking place with my active involvement as well as that of senior military and civilian officials, and our commanders in the field," Gates said.

"I consider this contingency planning to be a priority for this Department," he wrote.

The letter offered no details on the planning or possible scenarios for a reduction in US forces.

General David Petraeus, the US commander in Iraq, and US Ambassador Ryan Crocker are supposed to report to Congress in mid-September on the impact of a surge in US forces and what should be done next.

Democrats and some Republicans are pushing for a phased withdrawal of US forces in Iraq but US commanders have cautioned that it will be a couple of years before the Iraqi security forces are ready to take control.

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I mean, they tell us one thing but then say another, we're supposed to be in Iraq at least until 2009, but we'll somehow need less troops?

[Unregistered]

Don't even bother to show up then.. thieving a**.

oh what is the matter.....are you mad? the army fucked with alot of people so it is pay back time mo fo! and if you don;t like to it too god damn bad loser!@

[Unregistered]

As the VFW president recently asked, why does the IRR still exist?
It was created after the draft ended during the cold war as a strategic reserve to be called upon in the event of, as recruiters routinely put it, WWIII. The IRR hasn't served any tactical purpose since 1989, and now it's being abused as a manpower pool.

Contact Congress about eliminating the IRR, an obsolete reserve component that army bureaucrats can't be trusted to manage competently or use responsibly.

Your hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted managing the IRR. Bureaucrats in St. Louis are receiving commissioned officer salaries to do clerical work, and incompetently at that, as the DA admitted while announcing the muster. Our tax dollars are wasted in a thousand different ways every day by local, state and federal government entities. But why should your tax dollars be thrown away to harass combat veterans, to terrorize their families and to threaten their homes, careers, educational pursuits and livelihoods? Doesn't America owe those who answered the call to serve more?

[Unregistered]

As the VFW president recently asked, why does the IRR still exist?
It was created after the draft ended during the cold war as a strategic reserve to be called upon in the event of, as recruiters routinely put it, WWIII. The IRR hasn't served any tactical purpose since 1989, and now it's being abused as a manpower pool.

Contact Congress about eliminating the IRR, an obsolete reserve component that army bureaucrats can't be trusted to manage competently or use responsibly.

Your hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted managing the IRR. Bureaucrats in St. Louis are receiving commissioned officer salaries to do clerical work, and incompetently at that, as the DA admitted while announcing the muster. Our tax dollars are wasted in a thousand different ways every day by local, state and federal government entities. But why should your tax dollars be thrown away to harass combat veterans, to terrorize their families and to threaten their homes, careers, educational pursuits and livelihoods? Doesn't America owe those who answered the call to serve more?

Dude, great post. I'm a Republican (but not some cprporate, evangelical neo-con like Team Bush), and I'm all about small government and *less spending!* I'm going to call my Senators and Congressman tomorrow and just read from your post...

[Unregistered]

Right again! Three more readiness musters, various parts of the country, completed by the end of August. Don't know for sure what the time line is for the accountability musters...

that is true. has anyone gone to a readiness muster outside of the one individual that posted some time ago. the one at meade is around the corner and no one has posted yet.

[Unregistered]

that is true. has anyone gone to a readiness muster outside of the one individual that posted some time ago. the one at meade is around the corner and no one has posted yet.

that is the one with the physical, right?

[Unregistered]

As the VFW president recently asked, why does the IRR still exist?
It was created after the draft ended during the cold war as a strategic reserve to be called upon in the event of, as recruiters routinely put it, WWIII. The IRR hasn't served any tactical purpose since 1989, and now it's being abused as a manpower pool.

Contact Congress about eliminating the IRR, an obsolete reserve component that army bureaucrats can't be trusted to manage competently or use responsibly.

Your hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted managing the IRR. Bureaucrats in St. Louis are receiving commissioned officer salaries to do clerical work, and incompetently at that, as the DA admitted while announcing the muster. Our tax dollars are wasted in a thousand different ways every day by local, state and federal government entities. But why should your tax dollars be thrown away to harass combat veterans, to terrorize their families and to threaten their homes, careers, educational pursuits and livelihoods? Doesn't America owe those who answered the call to serve more?

Nice post! I know more folks are thinking about not letting the Army play with their lives. This will help them call their Senators and Representatives...

[Unregistered]

It looks like the speculation of imminent calling up of IRR was true, because I know someone in the Army that was just called up out of IRR for Iraq. What options are available to him to avoid this?

P.S.

Thousands, tens of thousands, called up? Anyone have any idea? And why so many all at once?

[Unregistered]

It looks like the speculation of imminent calling up of IRR was true, because I know someone in the Army that was just called up out of IRR for Iraq. What options are available to him to avoid this?

P.S.

Thousands, tens of thousands, called up? Anyone have any idea? And why so many all at once?

At the rate the ARMY is charging its soldiers with murder not reporting for a call up might be the best course of action.

I saw a report on CNN last week where several former Army Generals were saying that the surge could not continue past this Fall without 18 month deployments or a LARGE Reserve call up. So something is about to happen. Its possible that a reduction could happen but not likely untill next year.

[Unregistered]

It looks like the speculation of imminent calling up of IRR was true, because I know someone in the Army that was just called up out of IRR for Iraq. What options are available to him to avoid this?

P.S.

Thousands, tens of thousands, called up? Anyone have any idea? And why so many all at once?

[Unregistered]

As the VFW president recently asked, why does the IRR still exist?
It was created after the draft ended during the cold war as a strategic reserve to be called upon in the event of, as recruiters routinely put it, WWIII. The IRR hasn't served any tactical purpose since 1989, and now it's being abused as a manpower pool.

Contact Congress about eliminating the IRR, an obsolete reserve component that army bureaucrats can't be trusted to manage competently or use responsibly.

Your hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted managing the IRR. Bureaucrats in St. Louis are receiving commissioned officer salaries to do clerical work, and incompetently at that, as the DA admitted while announcing the muster. Our tax dollars are wasted in a thousand different ways every day by local, state and federal government entities. But why should your tax dollars be thrown away to harass combat veterans, to terrorize their families and to threaten their homes, careers, educational pursuits and livelihoods? Doesn't America owe those who answered the call to serve more?


If the army was forced to manage its money responsibly, maybe they could afford to pay soldiers enough so they wouldn't qualify for food stamps. "Involuntary recall" means draft anyway you cut it.

[Unregistered]

As the VFW president recently asked, why does the IRR still exist?
It was created after the draft ended during the cold war as a strategic reserve to be called upon in the event of, as recruiters routinely put it, WWIII. The IRR hasn't served any tactical purpose since 1989, and now it's being abused as a manpower pool.

Contact Congress about eliminating the IRR, an obsolete reserve component that army bureaucrats can't be trusted to manage competently or use responsibly.

Your hard-earned tax dollars are being wasted managing the IRR. Bureaucrats in St. Louis are receiving commissioned officer salaries to do clerical work, and incompetently at that, as the DA admitted while announcing the muster. Our tax dollars are wasted in a thousand different ways every day by local, state and federal government entities. But why should your tax dollars be thrown away to harass combat veterans, to terrorize their families and to threaten their homes, careers, educational pursuits and livelihoods? Doesn't America owe those who answered the call to serve more?

I think the bureaucrat heroes are moving to Ft. Knox. They've successfully defended the Applebees in St. Louis from insurgents, and they now have to liberate a TGI Friday in Tennessee. People wonder why we have no money for body armor, why the national guard might as well have muskets and jeeps, when we're still pissing away money on a relic of the cold war.

[Unregistered]

At the rate the ARMY is charging its soldiers with murder not reporting for a call up might be the best course of action.

I saw a report on CNN last week where several former Army Generals were saying that the surge could not continue past this Fall without 18 month deployments or a LARGE Reserve call up. So something is about to happen. Its possible that a reduction could happen but not likely untill next year.

that is the course of action i am taking. i could care less about this phony global war on terrorism...oops i mean oil war!

[Unregistered]

It looks like the speculation of imminent calling up of IRR was true, because I know someone in the Army that was just called up out of IRR for Iraq. What options are available to him to avoid this?

P.S.

Thousands, tens of thousands, called up? Anyone have any idea? And why so many all at once?

Did he attend the muster? How does one recall translate into "tens of thousands, so many all at once?" We certainly won't see it in any media reports, as the army isn't honorable enough to be truthful and open about it.

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Did he attend the muster? How does one recall translate into "tens of thousands, so many all at once?" We certainly won't see it in any media reports, as the army isn't honorable enough to be truthful and open about it.

the bad thing is that call-ups have been going on for a while. it is just a few here and a few there since they realized they had an issue witht he system. personally speaking though if they want to try and do a massive call up go right ahead. the same thing is going to happen regardless....no one is going to show and they probably would have to use marshal law to get anyone to comply....then again the media would have a field day either way you look at it. the line has been drawn and crossed so we all have to say enough is enough somehow. i protest is not showing up and that is it!

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Why are there so many people on here that claim to know someone that knows, or have some "inside information" about a 2008 recall, but never will back it up? I admit, it looks likely. Someone has to replace the troops sent over in the surge. But making statements like "I have inside information," without backing it up, is bullshit. Reminds me of another time when people acted on faulty, bullshit intelligence...

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Everyone with actual MOB/recall orders experience should e-mail Donna Leinwand at

dleinwan@usatoday.com

She reported about the IRR callup puts lives in disarray when the first big occurance happened in 2004 and despite the outrage back then, I guess a lot of people still thought we'd be out of there ASAP eventually. If enough of us contact her with facts, proof, stories of those who've served time and again and are being forced to do so again because the dickheads above fucked up and they're not going to pay for it, but WE WILL, she can break a new story and get it on the AP, news networks, etc.

Remember, many in the military hate the media, but it's something we all have to live with these days, and while they can twist ambiguous events such as the Marine who shot the unarmed...but still fighting insurgent, they can also do some good, such as let the public know how its former soldiers are used and abused. We also need to push the fact that just because the goverment CLAIMS they can do this "legally," that doesn't mean 'have at it then.'

And here's a good example of shit that's LEGAL but that doesn't make it FUCKING RIGHT:

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/bestoftv/2007/07/30/roberts.blogging.pedophile.cnn


Great post! Although I really disagree with the musters and definitely with the recalls, it is all legal. But that sure does not make it right! People need to stop arguing about the legality of it. You sound like the LT that would not deploy because he thought the war was illegal. Going with the "that's illegal" fight, you sound ignorant. The LT really had no other choice, but we do. Media attention is the way to go.

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I went to my accountability muster last week in Texas. It took less than an hour. There was no real pressure to join a unit (but there definitely was a pitch), and no threats about a recall. He did say it was about a fifty-fifty chance, but did not claim to know anything about the how, who, or when of recalls.

My advice to anyone: do not fall for the stabilization thing. I talked to a JAG officer, who compared the guarantee of 24 months stabilization to the guarantee that deployments would not last more than 12 months. Also, as someone else posted, it does not affect you being mobilized for a CONUS assignment.

But, if you go anyway, it may be better to go with people you know.

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But, if you go anyway, it may be better to go with people you know.

I know this is important to a lot of people, but I have done OIF 1 and 4 and you know what? We recieved new guys into the fold in both and they did fine. That is why their "unit integrity" and "deploy together" line is all bullshit. The Army's MTOE and rank structure is DESIGNED for allowing new guys to come into units they don't know, bringing them up to speed, and teaching them what they need to know. It may not be as good as a Ranger battalion training to a T between their deployments, but it's what we have, and while it's happened, I personnally have not seen replacements get anyone killed...yet. That's what a good, competant team leader and squad leader are for,

On the flip side... from what I have gathered, if you are recalled from the IRR and sent to augment a unit individually, you will still have months of train-up time to get to know your comrades, go drinking, share stories, etc and bond as well as train together. Shit, I got to the 101st a month and a half before deploying to OIF 1 and I got along fine with my fellow 11Bs. Not great, but we were a true band of brothers.

Does anyone know how they're doing this recall augment assigment crap though? I've heard a lot of conflicting shit.

1) Everyone is being reclassed to Civil Affairs. Maybe not everyone, as officers seem to be a shoe-in no matter their branch, although some do MiTT and one did FA turned ad hoc ground pounder.

2) E-6 and above get reclassed to CA, E-5 and below become infantry.

3) You MOB through Fort Jackson, Fort Bragg, or Fort Benning. You train at Camp Shithole.

4) Infantrymen aren't found in the USAR so they send you to augment at National Guard deployment.

5) You get a lot of time off for weekends, etc. I say bullshit, let me get it over with! Faster the better!

6) Promotions are not automatic and not readily available due to the fact that you are augmenting a unit that has MTOE in place and career E-4s and bald, overweight E-5s.

7) They seem to get a huge RFI dump.

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Has anybody received or an exemption from mobilization(not just from a muster), or know what cases are generally approved for an exemption? What about disabled/debilitated spouses? I have read AR 601-25 but its a bit vague. Are they just reviewed case by case?

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Just a heads up. I just went to the Muster last weekend and today igot a call from 'unavailable' that let a voice mail, which is always odd. Soon as I checked the voice mail it said " you have one new message,then it It rang as if I called someone and the next thing I know I hear deployment help" or something along those lines. I just hung up but, it was pretty fucking shady. Not sure what is going on with that whole thin and to be honest I don't want to know.

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I know this is important to a lot of people, but I have done OIF 1 and 4 and you know what? We recieved new guys into the fold in both and they did fine. That is why their "unit integrity" and "deploy together" line is all bullshit. The Army's MTOE and rank structure is DESIGNED for allowing new guys to come into units they don't know, bringing them up to speed, and teaching them what they need to know. It may not be as good as a Ranger battalion training to a T between their deployments, but it's what we have, and while it's happened, I personnally have not seen replacements get anyone killed...yet. That's what a good, competant team leader and squad leader are for,

On the flip side... from what I have gathered, if you are recalled from the IRR and sent to augment a unit individually, you will still have months of train-up time to get to know your comrades, go drinking, share stories, etc and bond as well as train together. Shit, I got to the 101st a month and a half before deploying to OIF 1 and I got along fine with my fellow 11Bs. Not great, but we were a true band of brothers.

Does anyone know how they're doing this recall augment assigment crap though? I've heard a lot of conflicting shit.

1) Everyone is being reclassed to Civil Affairs. Maybe not everyone, as officers seem to be a shoe-in no matter their branch, although some do MiTT and one did FA turned ad hoc ground pounder.

2) E-6 and above get reclassed to CA, E-5 and below become infantry.

3) You MOB through Fort Jackson, Fort Bragg, or Fort Benning. You train at Camp Shithole.

4) Infantrymen aren't found in the USAR so they send you to augment at National Guard deployment.

5) You get a lot of time off for weekends, etc. I say bullshit, let me get it over with! Faster the better!

6) Promotions are not automatic and not readily available due to the fact that you are augmenting a unit that has MTOE in place and career E-4s and bald, overweight E-5s.

7) They seem to get a huge RFI dump.

"Infantrymen aren't found in the USAR so they send you to augment at National Guard deployment."

This one I can attest to. A guy I knew from my old Company got out and went back home to Flint, and couple of years later he got called up to deploy with a National Guard unit in South fucking Carolina. That shit is ate the fuck up!

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Just a heads up. I just went to the Muster last weekend and today igot a call from 'unavailable' that let a voice mail, which is always odd. Soon as I checked the voice mail it said " you have one new message,then it It rang as if I called someone and the next thing I know I hear deployment help" or something along those lines. I just hung up but, it was pretty fucking shady. Not sure what is going on with that whole thin and to be honest I don't want to know.

Whoa. Very shady. Did you see that article from a page or two back? The Army admitted the muster is indeed part of an IRR Recall. Keep us posted on your own dealings...

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Has anybody received or an exemption from mobilization(not just from a muster), or know what cases are generally approved for an exemption? What about disabled/debilitated spouses? I have read AR 601-25 but its a bit vague. Are they just reviewed case by case?

Delays or exemptions occur on a reglar basis. Soldiers who receive mobilization (recall) orders have a phone number to call to get info on how to submit a request.

Question: The second Readiness Muster just finished this past weekend in NY... How come no one has posted anything about it?

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Delays or exemptions occur on a reglar basis. Soldiers who receive mobilization (recall) orders have a phone number to call to get info on how to submit a request.

Question: The second Readiness Muster just finished this past weekend in NY... How come no one has posted anything about it?

What's the point of posting accounts of muster experiences? You fill out paperwork. The end.
What matters is what the bureaucrats do with the paperwork. The point is that the army is abusing the IRR and the good faith of mostly teenage enlistees who believe the recruiting commercials, who believe that the army can be a springboard to bigger and better things.
Sorry, we need to steal another two years of your life so you're qualified to do nothing when we spit you back out into the civilian world. Sorry, we're going to jew you over the fine print.
If this was the war or the national emergency mentioned in your contract, why would they let you ETS in the first place?
If the army cared about obligations, why would there be a strip of check-cashing places outside of every major military post in this country? If the army cared about honor, why would they lie to reporters and the American public at every available opportunity? If they cared about soldiers, why would they repeatedly charge them with murder while AT WAR? If they cared about sacrifice, why would they put those wounded in action on trial before a med board, to ensure they get the minimal benefits and get treated like garbage? If the army cared about contracts, why would they recall soldiers right before their MSOs expire and stop-loss them beyond their 8 years? If the army cared about winning in Iraq, why would they tear people away from their lives so they're unmotivated and disgruntled while in the sandbox? If they cared about success in Iraq, why would the army call upon those kicked out and those who received medical discharges?

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I went this past weekend to Pasadena, TX and they definitely did the whole scare tactic. They said that I would be much more safe drilling in a unit for the next 14 months as an instructor. What exactly I would instruct I have no idea, but they said I could finish out my obiligation that way. The told me my chances of being deployed were much greater floating around in this IRR pool than in a unit. They said the ARMY wasn't spending all of this money for nothing. I was there for maybe an hour. My orders said personnel accountability muster....I understand some say readiness muster.....what's the difference in the scheme of things?

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http://www.blackanthem.com/News/afghanistan/1-158th_Infantry_hunt_insurgents_in_rugged_Afghanist an8906.shtml

"Most of the unit is comprised of Individual Ready Reserve Soldiers. IRR Soldiers lead lives like many other civilians. They have regular full-time jobs or go to school, but after being reactivated on Sept. 1, 2006, the 1-158th began training at Fort Bragg, N.C for the traditional infantry mission of mounted and dismounted patrols.

In order to fulfil the PRT security mission, there are platoon size elements of the 1-158th scattered across Afghanistan. Each platoon conducts daily mounted and dismounted patrols, but their priority is PRT support and security. "

Looks like this National Guard Infantry Unit's IRR Soldiers "lucked out" by being sent to A-Stan instead of Iraq. I'm sick of Iraq, and while i hate the Army anyway, Afghanistan would be a fuckin change of pace.

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Whoa. Very shady. Did you see that article from a page or two back? The Army admitted the muster is indeed part of an IRR Recall. Keep us posted on your own dealings...

Huh? You mean this... http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070726/REPOSITORY/707260308/0/NEWS03 ? Sorry buddy but once you do 20 years in the military and retire, you are placed in a pool of people who are called up more than those in the IRR. Why? Because of equipment knowledge. You may know equipment and need to train those who are getting ready to use it. This has nothing to do with the IRR.

What we have here is a bunch of people who are freaked they will get MOB orders, it can happen, but more or less people are trying to find a reason to say this is something greater than what it really is. people from HRC have posted on here and would know what is in the works if anything. They all stated they have not been informed of any such discussion. Yet everyone on here reads over it and starts back to "We are going to get MOB orders"

Another one is "I know someone" who this happened to, went to a muster a little while back and was then sent MOB orders. Sorry but this is the first time they have done a Muster since the Gulf. Get serious. If your so freaked about getting orders, just join and quit scaring everyone else into thinking it somthing bigger than what it really is.

Almost everyone on here is willing to say what they know for a fact, yet never supply any proof, facts, or links proving their statements are true. If your going to post about something you know for a fact, back it with something. Until then, DON'T POST.

The my buddy, or my friend bid doesn't work.

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Just a couple of questions. Does anyone know the truth about the topic on the IRR recall for 2008 and can anyone actually say they know the true consequences of disobeying mobilization orders not muster orders? Do you just get discharged or are there other factors? Thanks.

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Just a couple of questions. Does anyone know the truth about the topic on the IRR recall for 2008 and can anyone actually say they know the true consequences of disobeying mobilization orders not muster orders? Do you just get discharged or are there other factors? Thanks.

Nothing has been confirmed about a 2008 recall.... Everyone on here is speculating due to the Muster orders.

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Nothing has been confirmed about a 2008 recall.... Everyone on here is speculating due to the Muster orders.


HRC/Recruiter Alert! Every time we see some of these posts saying "it's just speculation," feel free to flag 'em as the Army tools they are.


Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.

Does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? Just a free $176 for giving up your personal information? Or do you think maybe...just maybe...they want all your personal information for a reason? But why would they...hmm...oh yeah, because everyone from Gates on down says the Army needs more bodies. You will be recalled. It's common sense.

So that said, who wants to be the last person to die for a failing mission in Iraq?

You?

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HRC/Recruiter Alert! Every time we see some of these posts saying "it's just speculation," feel free to flag 'em as the Army tools they are.


Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.

Does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? Just a free $176 for giving up your personal information? Or do you think maybe...just maybe...they want all your personal information for a reason? But why would they...hmm...oh yeah, because everyone from Gates on down says the Army needs more bodies. You will be recalled. It's common sense.

So that said, who wants to be the last person to die for a failing mission in Iraq?

You?

oh i will show up for the muster, take there money and move like i plan on doing after i "update" my information. i am not wasting anymore of my time on this matter. i could care less about what is going on in the world. i am only concerned about myself and the army gave me this attitude. so go ahead and MOB me you will only see "no longer at this address"

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Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:


"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.



You?

While the musters may very well be a prelude to a big callup (no reasonable person cannot say the signs are not present), too many people are jumping the gun here. That article, which alot of people think confirms the musters are part of a callup, is by no means a confirmation, or admission from the army, of anything. That paragraph has the exact same information that the army has put out before, and has been in any article about the muster. The difference here is that the writer put the part about the muster in the same paragraph, and right next to, the part about the army calling up people. Whether it was done intentionally or not, the effect is that the reader assumes that the musters are part of a recall, and because of the quote from HRC in the same paragraph, it looks like HRC is admitting that the musters are part of a callup.

I have always thought that the musters were part of a callup, but this article is not confirmation of my belief. The writer either screwed up by placing those sentences together, or did it on purpose to give the effect that it had on many people.

Think about it - if the purpose of the musters is to get people to come in, why would the army say that the musters are the first part of a mobilization? HRC has stated that well over half of the people recalled do not show up.

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While the musters may very well be a prelude to a big callup (no reasonable person cannot say the signs are not present), too many people are jumping the gun here. That article, which alot of people think confirms the musters are part of a callup, is by no means a confirmation, or admission from the army, of anything. That paragraph has the exact same information that the army has put out before, and has been in any article about the muster. The difference here is that the writer put the part about the muster in the same paragraph, and right next to, the part about the army calling up people. Whether it was done intentionally or not, the effect is that the reader assumes that the musters are part of a recall, and because of the quote from HRC in the same paragraph, it looks like HRC is admitting that the musters are part of a callup.

I have always thought that the musters were part of a callup, but this article is not confirmation of my belief. The writer either screwed up by placing those sentences together, or did it on purpose to give the effect that it had on many people.

Think about it - if the purpose of the musters is to get people to come in, why would the army say that the musters are the first part of a mobilization? HRC has stated that well over half of the people recalled do not show up.

Good observation. However, it's more likely the writer isn't familiar with the military in depth and perhaps doesn't draw the distinction between muster and mobilization or perhaps just reached the same common-sense conclusion any reasonable person would.

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HRC/Recruiter Alert! Every time we see some of these posts saying "it's just speculation," feel free to flag 'em as the Army tools they are.


Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.

Does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? Just a free $176 for giving up your personal information? Or do you think maybe...just maybe...they want all your personal information for a reason? But why would they...hmm...oh yeah, because everyone from Gates on down says the Army needs more bodies. You will be recalled. It's common sense.

So that said, who wants to be the last person to die for a failing mission in Iraq?

You?

Again speculation. Do you have any proof of a callup in the mist? Naw.. Media will get their hands on it before you do. I haven't seen one bit of information that says they are recalling people. Alls I see is people saying this muster is the first step of a callup, then people like you jump the gun and say "A call up? OMG he's right they are." Then you look for any shred of information to prove your right.

No one knows whats going on, The IRR is the super lotto. You know that as much as the next. That is why a computer picks people at random. Even if all 30,000 people went to the muster and were place in a seperate pool, who is searching through all these names to get the number they need? I would guess not a person.

You can believe what you want to about this whole thing, but regardless NO ONE KNOWS.

Over the next 2 months 1 of two thingas are going to happen. Both of which will lead to the same end result. When General Ptraeus reports back in 6 weeks He'll either say it's not working, or it is working. In the case it's working more troops will start coming home while a smaller group works on counter-terrorism. Or in the case he says no it's not working. After which all the republicans will jump ship and leave our fearless president. If thats the case, guess what? They are going to vote to overthrow bush's VETO.

Try doing a bit of thinking before speculating cheif.

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While the musters may very well be a prelude to a big callup (no reasonable person cannot say the signs are not present), too many people are jumping the gun here. That article, which alot of people think confirms the musters are part of a callup, is by no means a confirmation, or admission from the army, of anything. That paragraph has the exact same information that the army has put out before, and has been in any article about the muster. The difference here is that the writer put the part about the muster in the same paragraph, and right next to, the part about the army calling up people. Whether it was done intentionally or not, the effect is that the reader assumes that the musters are part of a recall, and because of the quote from HRC in the same paragraph, it looks like HRC is admitting that the musters are part of a callup.

I have always thought that the musters were part of a callup, but this article is not confirmation of my belief. The writer either screwed up by placing those sentences together, or did it on purpose to give the effect that it had on many people.

Think about it - if the purpose of the musters is to get people to come in, why would the army say that the musters are the first part of a mobilization? HRC has stated that well over half of the people recalled do not show up.


Actually, you answered your own question. If the Army stated truthfully that the musters are the first step of a larger-scale IRR mobilization, then not just half of the recalls would decline to show up - virtually all of them would not show up.

And nice try to suggest that "just because these sentences are next to either, they're really not related in any way." Haw!

Your point is ludicrous as you yourself agreed that it only makes sense that this muster is for a reason, and that most logical reason is to recall IRR folks in a time of war where everyone from Gates on down says we'll be in Iraq until 2009 (at least) and we need bodies because we're short after over 4 years of deployments.

So why would you try to spread your misinformation? And further, why would you care if you really believed real Americans with jobs and homes and families are "jumping the gun" with their concerns that this muster is a precursor to a large-scale IRR Recall? (even though you just said their conclusion is the most logical outcome of the muster)

Why would some "random poster' here care if people give up their personal info to the Army? Hmm, let me think, let me think...

Oh yeah... Only an HRC or a recruiter or one of these guys (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html) would post like you.

So sure, you can respond again saying you're just a "regular guy" giving advice. But it's clear your advice is to get more people to give up personal information that logically means they'll be recalled. And that paints you and others who try to influence people to attend these musters as HRC or recruiters.

And we all know how truthful the HRC and recruiters have been to us over the years...


Read on:
http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070724/NEWS06/70724013

A Muncie man has filed a police report alleging that an Army recruiter held him against his will inside a car Saturday and threatened his life

“He told me he wanted to cut my throat and stab me in the chest,” Beard said. “He continued on and on with this murder thing for about 10 minutes straight.”

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Try doing a bit of thinking before speculating cheif.

This little guy is the best. But he may want to do a little thinking on his own and perhaps even spell "chief" right if he wants to be taken seriously. Not the kind of guy whose advice you want to take...

And as an aside, isn't it interesting how many posts quickly replied to that original article and post which proves the Muster is related to the IRR Recall?

Like the guy stated above, I agree - anyone on this board who tries to get you to give up all your personal info by pretending that there isn't good evidence linking the Muster to the Recall is clearly a recruiter or HRC - no matter what they tell you anonymously...

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Actually, you answered your own question. If the Army stated truthfully that the musters are the first step of a larger-scale IRR mobilization, then not just half of the recalls would decline to show up - virtually all of them would not show up.

And nice try to suggest that "just because these sentences are next to either, they're really not related in any way." Haw!

Your point is ludicrous as you yourself agreed that it only makes sense that this muster is for a reason, and that most logical reason is to recall IRR folks in a time of war where everyone from Gates on down says we'll be in Iraq until 2009 (at least) and we need bodies because we're short after over 4 years of deployments.

So why would you try to spread your misinformation? And further, why would you care if you really believed real Americans with jobs and homes and families are "jumping the gun" with their concerns that this muster is a precursor to a large-scale IRR Recall? (even though you just said their conclusion is the most logical outcome of the muster)

Why would some "random poster' here care if people give up their personal info to the Army? Hmm, let me think, let me think...

Oh yeah... Only an HRC or a recruiter or one of these guys (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html) would post like you.

So sure, you can respond again saying you're just a "regular guy" giving advice. But it's clear your advice is to get more people to give up personal information that logically means they'll be recalled. And that paints you and others who try to influence people to attend these musters as HRC or recruiters.

And we all know how truthful the HRC and recruiters have been to us over the years...


Read on:
http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070724/NEWS06/70724013

A Muncie man has filed a police report alleging that an Army recruiter held him against his will inside a car Saturday and threatened his life

“He told me he wanted to cut my throat and stab me in the chest,” Beard said. “He continued on and on with this murder thing for about 10 minutes straight.”

RRRRight.....People like you really fuck up any kind of discussion. What is your deal with the personal information conspiracy? Do you think the army will hold your bank account hostage until you volunteer? I sure don't trust recruiters or HRC. Either they have no idea what they are talking about, or just lie. But are you trying to imply that fucking crazy recruiter that locked a guy in his car is some propaganda spreading neo-con loving war monger that will do what it takes to get more cannon fodder? Obviously that guy is fucking nuts. If you want to add something to your arguement, don't use bullshit like that. Looks like you learned how to debate from Sean Hannity.

By the way - I am not some republican, Bush loving war monger. I blew off my IRR orders like many others. But if you are going to fight it, don't do it like a fucking idiot.

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Actually, you answered your own question. If the Army stated truthfully that the musters are the first step of a larger-scale IRR mobilization, then not just half of the recalls would decline to show up - virtually all of them would not show up.

And nice try to suggest that "just because these sentences are next to either, they're really not related in any way." Haw!

Your point is ludicrous as you yourself agreed that it only makes sense that this muster is for a reason, and that most logical reason is to recall IRR folks in a time of war where everyone from Gates on down says we'll be in Iraq until 2009 (at least) and we need bodies because we're short after over 4 years of deployments.

So why would you try to spread your misinformation? And further, why would you care if you really believed real Americans with jobs and homes and families are "jumping the gun" with their concerns that this muster is a precursor to a large-scale IRR Recall? (even though you just said their conclusion is the most logical outcome of the muster)

Why would some "random poster' here care if people give up their personal info to the Army? Hmm, let me think, let me think...

Oh yeah... Only an HRC or a recruiter or one of these guys (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/max-blumenthal/generation-chickenhawk-t_b_56676.html) would post like you.

So sure, you can respond again saying you're just a "regular guy" giving advice. But it's clear your advice is to get more people to give up personal information that logically means they'll be recalled. And that paints you and others who try to influence people to attend these musters as HRC or recruiters.

And we all know how truthful the HRC and recruiters have been to us over the years...


Read on:
http://www.thestarpress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070724/NEWS06/70724013

A Muncie man has filed a police report alleging that an Army recruiter held him against his will inside a car Saturday and threatened his life

“He told me he wanted to cut my throat and stab me in the chest,” Beard said. “He continued on and on with this murder thing for about 10 minutes straight.”

Everything you posted has NOTHING to do with the muster. S_P_E_C_U_L_A_T_I_O_N. You do not know what going on nore do you care to look at it from another stand point.

You my friend come off as the recruiter. Scaring everyone into the next logical step. Joining a reserve unit for the 24 months MOB deferment. Get right JugHead.

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Again speculation. Do you have any proof of a callup in the mist? Naw.. Media will get their hands on it before you do. I haven't seen one bit of information that says they are recalling people. Alls I see is people saying this muster is the first step of a callup, then people like you jump the gun and say "A call up? OMG he's right they are." Then you look for any shred of information to prove your right.

No one knows whats going on, The IRR is the super lotto. You know that as much as the next. That is why a computer picks people at random. Even if all 30,000 people went to the muster and were place in a seperate pool, who is searching through all these names to get the number they need? I would guess not a person.

You can believe what you want to about this whole thing, but regardless NO ONE KNOWS.

Over the next 2 months 1 of two thingas are going to happen. Both of which will lead to the same end result. When General Ptraeus reports back in 6 weeks He'll either say it's not working, or it is working. In the case it's working more troops will start coming home while a smaller group works on counter-terrorism. Or in the case he says no it's not working. After which all the republicans will jump ship and leave our fearless president. If thats the case, guess what? They are going to vote to overthrow bush's VETO.

Try doing a bit of thinking before speculating cheif.

NO ONE KNOWS!!! Anything could happen, anything at all! HRC could send mutant zebras trained in a secret underground bunker to sustain the surge through the next rotation.
No one knows because the army lies and withholds information.
Congress needs to know now to stop the backdoor draft.

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Actually, you answered your own question. If the Army stated truthfully that the musters are the first step of a larger-scale IRR mobilization, then not just half of the recalls would decline to show up - virtually all of them would not show up.

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Yeah, no shit I answered my own question. That was the point - the Army is not going to admit to something if it means no one will follow the orders. Just like you and most people, I THINK that there is something besides updating records to the musters, but I dont' KNOW. But that article is not the "smoking gun" you claim.

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How about the whole situation with disregarding actually mobilization orders? I have heard many thoughts, ranging from discharges to possible criminal charges. Does anyone have proof or confirmation about what the current situation is regarding this issue?

[Unregistered]

Sorry, post above should of read "actually getting mobilization orders".

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Yeah, no shit I answered my own question. That was the point - the Army is not going to admit to something if it means no one will follow the orders. Just like you and most people, I THINK that there is something besides updating records to the musters, but I dont' KNOW. But that article is not the "smoking gun" you claim.

If you say so... But if you didn't KNOW (I love when people go to all caps ;-) either way, you wouldn't add confusion to the concerns of real Americans with homes and jobs and families about the IRR Recall. You'd let other folks do what they want. Unless you were concerned with the HRC's stats or recruiting...

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Everything you posted has NOTHING to do with the muster. S_P_E_C_U_L_A_T_I_O_N. You do not know what going on nore do you care to look at it from another stand point.

You my friend come off as the recruiter. Scaring everyone into the next logical step. Joining a reserve unit for the 24 months MOB deferment. Get right JugHead.


Lol...I've just been reading these today, and I love how this guy called the poster of that longer article a recruiter. That's awesome. That original poster seemed to calmly post the article along with truth about the muster leading to the IRR Recall.

He said nothing about joining a reserve unit.

Um...only you did. Mr. Recruiter.

Gotcha.

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RRRRight.....People like you really fuck up any kind of discussion. What is your deal with the personal information conspiracy? Do you think the army will hold your bank account hostage until you volunteer? I sure don't trust recruiters or HRC. Either they have no idea what they are talking about, or just lie. But are you trying to imply that fucking crazy recruiter that locked a guy in his car is some propaganda spreading neo-con loving war monger that will do what it takes to get more cannon fodder? Obviously that guy is fucking nuts. If you want to add something to your arguement, don't use bullshit like that. Looks like you learned how to debate from Sean Hannity.

By the way - I am not some republican, Bush loving war monger. I blew off my IRR orders like many others. But if you are going to fight it, don't do it like a fucking idiot.


Hmmm... If you come here swearing at posts and trying to say it's a conspiracy theory and telling others they learned to debate from Sean Hannity, then why are you the FoxNews type attacking the person instead of just debating ideas - getting all screechy and shrill and emotional.

Lighten up, Francis.

The fact that you and all the other folks (cough*hrcrecruiters*cough) have come here to address this article which proves the Muster and the IRR Recall are definitely related with your many wacky, negative posts attacking people with swearing and emotion and anger only proves we hit your button. We hit it bad.

And that makes it all the more clear this article is the truth that the Muster and IRR Recall are related. If it wasn't, you'd post something concrete to prove it wasn't and move on. And you wouldn't seem so loony and emotional.

Because if you were a person who actually ignored your IRR orders (ho, ho, ho...nice try), you wouldn't fit the profile of a crazed neocon. You'd be much, much cooler and willing to let others do what they think is right.

But the more you post and insult people and swear and act crazed, the more people are going to realize this article is right-on because it clearly struck a nerve.

So thanks for adding fuel to the fire. And for letting us laugh at you...

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HRC/Recruiter Alert! Every time we see some of these posts saying "it's just speculation," feel free to flag 'em as the Army tools they are.


Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.

Does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? Just a free $176 for giving up your personal information? Or do you think maybe...just maybe...they want all your personal information for a reason? But why would they...hmm...oh yeah, because everyone from Gates on down says the Army needs more bodies. You will be recalled. It's common sense.

So that said, who wants to be the last person to die for a failing mission in Iraq?

You?


Wow, this article generated a lot of highly emotional responses. Hmm...I wonder why? Unless they're worried about recruiting goals and HRC missions...

[Unregistered]

HRC/Recruiter Alert! Every time we see some of these posts saying "it's just speculation," feel free to flag 'em as the Army tools they are.


Nope, this is hardly speculation. You just have to do a little a research on the post from a few pages back. It said:

Interesting article about a 49 year old SFC who was recalled 10 years(!) after retirement to work in...wait for it...Civil Affairs.

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

Yep. 10 years after retirement. A 49 year old. Clearly everything is going according to plan...

Equally fascinating was this quote in the article:

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

First, we know that the number of folks the Army ordered up for the muster is closer to 30,000. So they're ordering more than they need to ensure they get their 5k - 6K at a minimum to replace their current crop of IRR folks.

Does anyone still think this "muster" is just for kicks and giggles? Just a free $176 for giving up your personal information? Or do you think maybe...just maybe...they want all your personal information for a reason? But why would they...hmm...oh yeah, because everyone from Gates on down says the Army needs more bodies. You will be recalled. It's common sense.

So that said, who wants to be the last person to die for a failing mission in Iraq?

You?


Actually, to respectfully disagree with that other guy, I *do* think this article seems like a Smoking Gun linking the Muster and the IRR Recall. And it makes common sense to me. I'm calling my Congressman to see what the heck's going on...

[Unregistered]

Unless you were concerned with the HRC's stats or recruiting...

Is that your answer for everything?

[Unregistered]

from CNN :


BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- The Pentagon was expected to announce Tuesday the next scheduled rotation of U.S. troops to Iraq, while evidence of deadly sectarian violence continued to line the streets of Baghdad.
The rotation plan is not designed to maintain the 20 brigades of the so-called "surge" -- the Bush administration's troop escalation that was ordered this year, Pentagon sources told CNN. The rotation will allow the military to maintain the current level of 15 combat brigades in Iraq, serving tours of duty lasting 15 months.
Under the plan, about 20,000 Army and Marine Corps frontline combat units are scheduled to begin deploying in late 2007 and into 2008. It has been widely acknowledged among the military that under the current deployment scenario, there are not enough U.S. forces to maintain the troop increase after spring 2008.

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Hmmm... If you come here swearing at posts and trying to say it's a conspiracy theory and telling others they learned to debate from Sean Hannity, then why are you the FoxNews type attacking the person instead of just debating ideas - getting all screechy and shrill and emotional.

Lighten up, Francis.

The fact that you and all the other folks (cough*hrcrecruiters*cough) have come here to address this article which proves the Muster and the IRR Recall are definitely related with your many wacky, negative posts attacking people with swearing and emotion and anger only proves we hit your button. We hit it bad.

And that makes it all the more clear this article is the truth that the Muster and IRR Recall are related. If it wasn't, you'd post something concrete to prove it wasn't and move on. And you wouldn't seem so loony and emotional.

Because if you were a person who actually ignored your IRR orders (ho, ho, ho...nice try), you wouldn't fit the profile of a crazed neocon. You'd be much, much cooler and willing to let others do what they think is right.

But the more you post and insult people and swear and act crazed, the more people are going to realize this article is right-on because it clearly struck a nerve.

So thanks for adding fuel to the fire. And for letting us laugh at you...

1. This looks to me like he was attacking your arguement, not you. He was rude though.

2. You really are into this conspiracy theory crap. Anyone that disagrees with you is a reruiter. That's real mature.

3. You told him to post something that shows the musters are not related to the recalls. You missed the point. Like others posted, there is nothing one way or the other to show that they are related. True, there are plently of reasons to think the muster will lead to recalls, and there are few reasons to think they are not related. But that article is by no means proof. If you think so, I guess you use wikipedia for a source also. There is a reason why a lot of people have not heard of the CSM Monitor. And I don't mean because it wants to stay out of the main stream.

People like you confuse others into making decisions without the right information. I have seen on this and other websites where people buy into that crap, get scared, and join a reserve unit because of the stabilization. I am sure they will be in Iraq in 6 months to a year.

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Here's another Surge:

Exemptions available in recruiter call-up

By Jim Tice - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Jul 31, 2007 11:22:00 EDT

Responding to requests from the field, the Army is authorizing limited exceptions to the short-notice call-up of former recruiters ordered Friday.

Under that surprise program, 1,106 former detailed recruiters are being pulled from their current assignments with stateside units to temporarily support a final recruiting push for fiscal 2007.

Recently, the Army’s regular recruiting force of 6,500 noncommissioned officers has struggled to meet monthly goals, and it now appears possible the service will fall short of the mission of 80,000 for the budget year that ends Sept. 30.

The sergeants, staff sergeants, sergeants first class and master sergeants tapped for “surge” recruiting duty will be returned to their regular assignments in about three months but no later than Oct. 15.

While the Army expects most of these soldiers to be at their new duty stations by Wednesday, the Human Resources Command and Recruiting Command will approve late reporting and possible deferrals and exemptions on a case-by-case basis, sources said.

Waivers will be considered based on the following types of conditions:

• A pending appearance before a medical evaluation board;

• A pending separation for cause;

• An extreme family situation;

• A pending deployment before April 2008;

• A high-risk pregnancy or surgery involving the soldier or family member;

• An approved retirement date before Feb. 1, 2008, or

• A pending leave with a nonreimbursable monetary impact.

Also eligible for waiver consideration are soldiers assigned to certain special duty positions, such as cadre for a Warrior Transition Unit, inspector general or equal opportunity NCO; master sergeants filling sergeant major billets; soldiers scheduled for professional military education, such as the First Sergeants Course and Battle Staff NCO Course, and soldiers serving as casualty assistance officers.

Exemption requests should be processed through installation chains of command to the Human Resources Command.

[Unregistered]

I've got to stop reading this. Things definitely do not look good, and I am getting stressed out.

[Unregistered]

I agree with most everyone here that there is no substantial evidence for an IRR call-up in 2008, but I gotta say: it doesn't look good. There is one big factor that has escaped everyone's consideration so far, and that is that next year is not just any election year, but a congressional AND presidential election year.

To authorize an IRR call-up would just be total political suicide, plaguing the careers of anyone who took place in the action. If we land a Republican in the white house next year- gulp!- I might see a call-up happening in 2009, which would blow.

I think this muster is really just to try to get the IRR in line. From a historical perspective, Rumsfeld "pulled the IRR lever" early on, and there was more of a fizz than a bang. I think Gates (who, don't get me wrong, I don't like that much more than Rumsfeld) realized as soon as he became SECDEF that he needed to fix the IRR because it was totally FUBAR. So here we are, a ladi-dadi-everybody show up and raise-your-hand-when-your-name-is-called formation.

Nevertheless, you won't catch me showing up for any IRR accountability. I'm doing the dutiful thing and not showing up for this muster so the IRR can get its accountability straight... because if there's an IRR call-up, don't count on seeing my mug there.

[Unregistered]

I agree with most everyone here that there is no substantial evidence for an IRR call-up in 2008, but I gotta say: it doesn't look good. There is one big factor that has escaped everyone's consideration so far, and that is that next year is not just any election year, but a congressional AND presidential election year.

To authorize an IRR call-up would just be total political suicide, plaguing the careers of anyone who took place in the action. If we land a Republican in the white house next year- gulp!- I might see a call-up happening in 2009, which would blow.

I think this muster is really just to try to get the IRR in line. From a historical perspective, Rumsfeld "pulled the IRR lever" early on, and there was more of a fizz than a bang. I think Gates (who, don't get me wrong, I don't like that much more than Rumsfeld) realized as soon as he became SECDEF that he needed to fix the IRR because it was totally FUBAR. So here we are, a ladi-dadi-everybody show up and raise-your-hand-when-your-name-is-called formation.

Nevertheless, you won't catch me showing up for any IRR accountability. I'm doing the dutiful thing and not showing up for this muster so the IRR can get its accountability straight... because if there's an IRR call-up, don't count on seeing my mug there.

You should run for office next year.

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I also recieved the muster orders. I know this string is old and am wondering what happened. I am flagged now for medical but I think it was for an update and to get you to activate on your own. I was also recalled 1yr and 6mos ago. If they wanted to recall you they would have. My group was the first to all show up. They did not know what to do with us all. I sometime wander what happened to my infatry men who were recalled as well that jan. anyway good luck to you all. Remeber you signed and joined now you must follow orders till the end. I know now to take contracts for what they are.

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All you recruiters in disguise here could go F*** yourselves because i'm not going back to iraq period. so there, what are you recruiter's going to do give me a article 15? Yeah, F*** off

[Unregistered]

"IRR Recall....Fuck Yeah! Comin' again to save the motherfuckin' day, yeah!"

The public needs to get on their knees and blow every IRR servicemember who's been activated because they are the last line of defense against a draft for the people in America. Enjoy your freedoms you didn't earn? Fuck a veteran. But not politician-style. That's fucking OVER a veteran.

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1. This looks to me like he was attacking your arguement, not you. He was rude though.

2. You really are into this conspiracy theory crap. Anyone that disagrees with you is a reruiter. That's real mature.

3. You told him to post something that shows the musters are not related to the recalls. You missed the point. Like others posted, there is nothing one way or the other to show that they are related. True, there are plently of reasons to think the muster will lead to recalls, and there are few reasons to think they are not related. But that article is by no means proof. If you think so, I guess you use wikipedia for a source also. There is a reason why a lot of people have not heard of the CSM Monitor. And I don't mean because it wants to stay out of the main stream.

People like you confuse others into making decisions without the right information. I have seen on this and other websites where people buy into that crap, get scared, and join a reserve unit because of the stabilization. I am sure they will be in Iraq in 6 months to a year.


Thanks for taking the time to respond, but you've provided no data or quotes from the Army or anything. Why do you post? By your lack of information or research, you've actually proven the point that you have nothing against linking the Muster to the IRR Recall.

But there are plenty of data and quotes for actively showing the Muster is indeed linked to the IRR Recall.

So when someone takes the time to write an emotional or long-winded response to a news article like this, you have to ask why would someone get angry or crazed just because someone else asserts this truth. IE What benefits you posters who *hate* to see the fact that the Muster and the IRR Recall are related?

Well, good question. If you're regular joes, then you generally don't care. Believe the post or don't. Listen to the advice or don't. Follow or don't. Doesn't matter to the averge guy/gal.

But if you're HRC or a recruiter or another interested supporter, then you benefit from more people showing up to muster because it's good for recruiting stats, future recalls, etc...

That said, you could be a regular joe. But then why do you care if the truth gets out there? It's just more information.

Or are you actually insulting Americans by saying they can't handle multiple sources of info - to include an article with an actual quote from the Army themselves?

Shame on you.

I clearly think more highly of our service members. So, given these odds of who really benefits, you're more likely an HRC employee or recruiter or interested party in the Iraq War or Team Bush. You want to confuse people and get more of them to muster.

But it's not about you. You don't matter.

And that said, I don't matter. What does matter is that people get all sides and facts and information before they decide what they themselves to do about musters or recalls. And this forum is about sharing information. Plus they go from here and do more research on their own.

You're okay about that, yeah? Or do you just want people to blindly follow with no information and just show up for a muster giving up all their info only to get recalled? That would make you sound like an HRC REMF or a recruiter REMF, hmm...?

So if you think all Americans are dumb sheep, and you want to spread your wacky conspiracy theories that your $176 muster has very little to do with a future recall, that's up to you. Everyone will see you for what you are. But by us folks providing a rational counterpoint to your loony ravings allows real Americans the opportunity to see all the info and make decisions for themselves. If you don't support this, you clearly hate freedom. :)

And if you're really worried, know that nothing you or I say will ultimately make up someone else's mind. Americans can think for themselves. And if common sense dictates that the Muster is likely related to the IRR Recall, then they'll make decisions for themselves. And personally, I'd think folks would both avoid the muster entirely and also not join a reserve unit.

But then again, you're the one bringing up the reserve unit, Senior Recruiter.

So all that said, with regards to the quoting the Army themselves, showing a link between the Muster and the IRR REcall, the Army's significant shortage in recruiting and retention, and the future IRR Recall, well...if you want to keep arguing against these data points and common sense then "methinks the lady doth protest too much..."

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P.S. Man, I'm freakin' long-winded... :-)

[Unregistered]

Why aren't recalled soldiers compensated money-wise?

How much is jump pay or flight pay? Both are based on the fact that there are inherent hazards the soldier faces in airborne and aviation units. You ask me, if you are a civilian, already deployed (as in, not a soldier who's NEVER gone and are trying to avoid Iraq) long or short out of the military life and you get yanked out of your civilian life, pack up, store your shit, break a lease, quit your job, quit your education, kiss your wife and kids goodbye, to arrive at Fort Fuckyouover where the cadre don't care why you're there, poor training, piecemealed units, jobs you don't want/aren't qualified for/done to death already and are sick of, to be sent to do something NONE of the planners/executors themselves or family members have to do.....

What about some mother----ing COMPENSATION! IF what we're being forced to do is so fucking important, so fucking vital, how about some of that important money? Or is that only for politicians who didn't do their jobs?

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Why aren't recalled soldiers compensated money-wise?

How much is jump pay or flight pay? Both are based on the fact that there are inherent hazards the soldier faces in airborne and aviation units. You ask me, if you are a civilian, already deployed (as in, not a soldier who's NEVER gone and are trying to avoid Iraq) long or short out of the military life and you get yanked out of your civilian life, pack up, store your shit, break a lease, quit your job, quit your education, kiss your wife and kids goodbye, to arrive at Fort Fuckyouover where the cadre don't care why you're there, poor training, piecemealed units, jobs you don't want/aren't qualified for/done to death already and are sick of, to be sent to do something NONE of the planners/executors themselves or family members have to do.....

What about some mother----ing COMPENSATION! IF what we're being forced to do is so fucking important, so fucking vital, how about some of that important money? Or is that only for politicians who didn't do their jobs?

Lol...all our tax dollars are going to Chickenhawks like that "Draft-Dodger" Cheney who gets it in the form of deferred revenue from Haliburton. Hmmm...he sends us to war and then gets paid? Seems like a conflict of interest. :)

And both the politicians and corporations make gobs of money off the War in Iraq. Really, everyone makes money but the soldiers. Shoot, even the private Mercinaries from Blackwater make way, way more money than soldiers!

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Thanks for taking the time to respond, but you've provided no data or quotes from the Army or anything. Why do you post? By your lack of information or research, you've actually proven the point that you have nothing against linking the Muster to the IRR Recall.

But there are plenty of data and quotes for actively showing the Muster is indeed linked to the IRR Recall.

So when someone takes the time to write an emotional or long-winded response to a news article like this, you have to ask why would someone get angry or crazed just because someone else asserts this truth. IE What benefits you posters who *hate* to see the fact that the Muster and the IRR Recall are related?

Well, good question. If you're regular joes, then you generally don't care. Believe the post or don't. Listen to the advice or don't. Follow or don't. Doesn't matter to the averge guy/gal.

But if you're HRC or a recruiter or another interested supporter, then you benefit from more people showing up to muster because it's good for recruiting stats, future recalls, etc...

That said, you could be a regular joe. But then why do you care if the truth gets out there? It's just more information.

Or are you actually insulting Americans by saying they can't handle multiple sources of info - to include an article with an actual quote from the Army themselves?

Shame on you.

I clearly think more highly of our service members. So, given these odds of who really benefits, you're more likely an HRC employee or recruiter or interested party in the Iraq War or Team Bush. You want to confuse people and get more of them to muster.

But it's not about you. You don't matter.

And that said, I don't matter. What does matter is that people get all sides and facts and information before they decide what they themselves to do about musters or recalls. And this forum is about sharing information. Plus they go from here and do more research on their own.

You're okay about that, yeah? Or do you just want people to blindly follow with no information and just show up for a muster giving up all their info only to get recalled? That would make you sound like an HRC REMF or a recruiter REMF, hmm...?

So if you think all Americans are dumb sheep, and you want to spread your wacky conspiracy theories that your $176 muster has very little to do with a future recall, that's up to you. Everyone will see you for what you are. But by us folks providing a rational counterpoint to your loony ravings allows real Americans the opportunity to see all the info and make decisions for themselves. If you don't support this, you clearly hate freedom. :)

And if you're really worried, know that nothing you or I say will ultimately make up someone else's mind. Americans can think for themselves. And if common sense dictates that the Muster is likely related to the IRR Recall, then they'll make decisions for themselves. And personally, I'd think folks would both avoid the muster entirely and also not join a reserve unit.

But then again, you're the one bringing up the reserve unit, Senior Recruiter.

So all that said, with regards to the quoting the Army themselves, showing a link between the Muster and the IRR REcall, the Army's significant shortage in recruiting and retention, and the future IRR Recall, well...if you want to keep arguing against these data points and common sense then "methinks the lady doth protest too much..."

Wow. I have been reading here for a while and I read this.... Alls I can say is you are very misleading. You try and support your view with facts that you don't even link to. Saying the Army has said the Muster is linked to a recall, but yet you haven't posted a website or anything showing what you say is true. You poke the finger at everyone who doesn't agree with you, calling them HRC or recruiter. Even if someone on here was a recruiter or HRC, in the IRR recruiting numbers "DO NOT" matter. While in IRR you are still considered an Army asset.

On the topic of a reserve unit, this was brought up pages upon pages ago about people who joined becuase people like yourself freaked them out with facts you still don't show any evidence of. Everyone on here states they "do not know" what is going on, but you seem to "know". So if you do know where are you getting your information? Can you provide me with some links? I'll put this at the bottom too so you don't forget...

It doesn't matter though. Everyone has their own ideas, I however will not say it is or isn't something to do with a recall. What I will say is you know for a fact it is and IRR recall because of your statements which you do not provide any support for.

Please provide some links proving your statements are true.

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Or are you actually insulting Americans by saying they can't handle multiple sources of info - to include an article with an actual quote from the Army themselves?



Dude, there is no quote from the Army about linking the muster to the IRR. That quote from the Army was only about how many recalls there have been. The other sentence (that you put in bold print - I love it when people bold things. It means they are getting emotional and shrill...).

And, if you remember, I am by no means denying that there will be a recall. I thought that back in January, when the surge crap came around. We are getting to a similar situation that we were in in 2004.

You are definitely the emotional one. You call anyone that disagrees with you a recruiter, a neo-con, a chickenhawk, or you say they are emotional. And you really love that word "shrill" - I have seen that one on the Command Toc a few times.

What is funny is that we agree on the important issue - that there will likely be a big callup of IRR guys within the next year. All I disagree with you about is that the part of that article that you claim links the muster to a recall is a quote from the army. The quote was the sentence before that one.

And no, I do not have any source that proves I am right. Like I said, common sense shows that a recall is likely. But it seems that you are tying to spread disinformation by attributing a comment to the Army that it did not make. You, my friend, are trying to find sources that are not sources.

But, since you seem like a pretty unreasonable guy that has an agenda, and won't let people make up their own minds, I am done with this issue. Nex slide.

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I got a letter today in the mail excusing me from the muster so you guys go and have some fun...

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so has anyone been called back because of these muster yet? enough said

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I got a letter today in the mail excusing me from the muster so you guys go and have some fun...

Which means they already have your address, what more is needed to send anything?

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P.S. Man, I'm freakin' long-winded... :-)

And a bull-shit artist.

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Wow. I have been reading here for a while and I read this.... Alls I can say is you are very misleading. You try and support your view with facts that you don't even link to. Saying the Army has said the Muster is linked to a recall, but yet you haven't posted a website or anything showing what you say is true. You poke the finger at everyone who doesn't agree with you, calling them HRC or recruiter. Even if someone on here was a recruiter or HRC, in the IRR recruiting numbers "DO NOT" matter. While in IRR you are still considered an Army asset.

On the topic of a reserve unit, this was brought up pages upon pages ago about people who joined becuase people like yourself freaked them out with facts you still don't show any evidence of. Everyone on here states they "do not know" what is going on, but you seem to "know". So if you do know where are you getting your information? Can you provide me with some links? I'll put this at the bottom too so you don't forget...

It doesn't matter though. Everyone has their own ideas, I however will not say it is or isn't something to do with a recall. What I will say is you know for a fact it is and IRR recall because of your statements which you do not provide any support for.

Please provide some links proving your statements are true.

Hey stupid - didn't you read that aricle this dude threw up there?

http://www.cmonitor.com/apps/pbcs.dl...60308/0/NEWS03

"...after Sept. 11, 2001, at least 14,000 IRR members from the Army were called for duty, according to Sgt. Keith O'Donnell, a spokesman for Army Reserve Human Resources Command in St. Louis. As the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq continue, the military has dipped into the force again. Last month, 5,000 soldiers from the IRR were ordered to report for medical screening and administrative tasks, according to news reports..."

That's all I needed to see.

Now what you got?

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It looks like the speculation of imminent calling up of IRR was true, because I know someone in the Army that was just called up out of IRR for Iraq. What options are available to him to avoid this?

P.S.

Thousands, tens of thousands, called up? Anyone have any idea? And why so many all at once?

I have already answered this question.

look through my posts you find a step by step guide on the WORST that could POSSIBLY happen to you (hint, OTH discharge).

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Wow. I have been reading here for a while and I read this.... Alls I can say is you are very misleading. You try and support your view with facts that you don't even link to. Saying the Army has said the Muster is linked to a recall, but yet you haven't posted a website or anything showing what you say is true. You poke the finger at everyone who doesn't agree with you, calling them HRC or recruiter. Even if someone on here was a recruiter or HRC, in the IRR recruiting numbers "DO NOT" matter. While in IRR you are still considered an Army asset.

On the topic of a reserve unit, this was brought up pages upon pages ago about people who joined becuase people like yourself freaked them out with facts you still don't show any evidence of. Everyone on here states they "do not know" what is going on, but you seem to "know". So if you do know where are you getting your information? Can you provide me with some links? I'll put this at the bottom too so you don't forget...

It doesn't matter though. Everyone has their own ideas, I however will not say it is or isn't something to do with a recall. What I will say is you know for a fact it is and IRR recall because of your statements which you do not provide any support for.

Please provide some links proving your statements are true.


Wow, if anyone needed any proof that the HRC is on this site...

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Great post! Although I really disagree with the musters and definitely with the recalls, it is all legal. But that sure does not make it right! People need to stop arguing about the legality of it. You sound like the LT that would not deploy because he thought the war was illegal. Going with the "that's illegal" fight, you sound ignorant. The LT really had no other choice, but we do. Media attention is the way to go.

Officers DO NOT swear the same oath as ENLISTED. Enlisted swear to follow orders of those appointed over them. Officers swear to uphold THE CONSTITUTION. On this ground, he had legitimate claims. Congress never officially (and still hasn't) declared war on Iraq. They simply "authorized" the president to use force. His argument that the constitution is not being upheld (since congress must declare war in order for the President to deploy troops over I think it's, 90 days?) is legit. Add onto that the fact that Saddam had absolutely NOTHING to do with Al'Qaida, and that intelligence that he was buying Uranium from Nigeria (like Nigeria has Uranium to sell!) is 10 years old. The gov'ts own CIA officials (or FBI, one of them) conducted a lie detector test on the person who claimed Saddam was stockpiling WMD's and concluded he was lying. Not only that he was an ex-iraqi. Of course it would benefit him to "liberate Iraq". The whole basis of the war in Iraq was based on lie, after lie, after lie. Meanwhile through this all Osama bin Laden, the man who we promised to hunt down, who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, is still at large in the mountains of Tora Bora. This shit is not only fucked up it makes me want to hit my head against the wall, and I sure as hell am not going to pay with my sight, life, or limb because someone is too Goddamn proud to admit he royally fucked up (PLEASE DON'T ARGUE VS THIS UNLESS YOU SAW THE "NIXON AND KISSINGER" INTERVIEW ON THE DAILY SHOW).

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Officers DO NOT swear the same oath as ENLISTED. Enlisted swear to follow orders of those appointed over them. Officers swear to uphold THE CONSTITUTION. On this ground, he had legitimate claims. Congress never officially (and still hasn't) declared war on Iraq. They simply "authorized" the president to use force. His argument that the constitution is not being upheld (since congress must declare war in order for the President to deploy troops over I think it's, 90 days?) is legit. Add onto that the fact that Saddam had absolutely NOTHING to do with Al'Qaida, and that intelligence that he was buying Uranium from Nigeria (like Nigeria has Uranium to sell!) is 10 years old. The gov'ts own CIA officials (or FBI, one of them) conducted a lie detector test on the person who claimed Saddam was stockpiling WMD's and concluded he was lying. Not only that he was an ex-iraqi. Of course it would benefit him to "liberate Iraq". The whole basis of the war in Iraq was based on lie, after lie, after lie. Meanwhile through this all Osama bin Laden, the man who we promised to hunt down, who orchestrated the 9/11 attacks, is still at large in the mountains of Tora Bora. This shit is not only fucked up it makes me want to hit my head against the wall, and I sure as hell am not going to pay with my sight, life, or limb because someone is too Goddamn proud to admit he royally fucked up (PLEASE DON'T ARGUE VS THIS UNLESS YOU SAW THE "NIXON AND KISSINGER" INTERVIEW ON THE DAILY SHOW).

You are definitely right that it is all stupid, a waste, and based on lies. And that is a true tragedy. But, there does not have to be a declaration of war to deploy troops over a certain time. I am not sure what the actual difference is between declaring war and not. I would imagine it has to do with the number of troops, $, reserves, etc. But, the last declaration of war was WW2. Korea and Vietnam were similar to this. No declaration, but a legal Presidential use of the miilitary. Congress voted for the war. Yes, it was based on faulty information, but there was a vote. And there has not been a vote to rescind it.

What interview are you talking about?

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Go to www.comedycentral.com go to Daily Show (motherload will load) then go to the Daily Show with Jon Stewart interview for the "Nixon and Kissinger" book in which the author looked through all the presidential notes (and tapes) and wrote verbatim that Nixon would not admit defeat in Vietnam YEARS before the Tet(?) offensive when he KNEW victory was not possible. Nixon could have gave up years earlier and literally SAVED hundreds if not thousands of Veterans. He didn't do it because he knew if he withdrew he would have "no chance at getting elected". The fucker sacrifiiced American soldiers for a chance to save his presidency. This shit is absolutely fucking ridiculous SACRIFICING AMERICAN SOLDIERS for political gain and that fucker Bush isn't too far behind. Unfortunately I'm sure Bush already has the NSA cleaning out his fucking closet and burning any possible evidence that could be used against him.

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By the way those 2 posts were me. The same person who found out you can get away with REFUSING to deploy if you're in IRR and the WORST you can get is OTH Discharge (which has no fucking negatives other than no money for college and not veterans benefits -pfft).

Yes, thats right, I'm not going to repost the legal mumbo jumbo but it's all there in black in white in the Army Regs. I may just be a PFC but one thing I've learned after being fucked with for too long is that the Army Regs are to be obeyed, and all consequences can be looked up in the Regs.

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Go to www.comedycentral.com go to Daily Show (motherload will load) then go to the Daily Show with Jon Stewart interview for the "Nixon and Kissinger" book in which the author looked through all the presidential notes (and tapes) and wrote verbatim that Nixon would not admit defeat in Vietnam YEARS before the Tet(?) offensive when he KNEW victory was not possible. Nixon could have gave up years earlier and literally SAVED hundreds if not thousands of Veterans. He didn't do it because he knew if he withdrew he would have "no chance at getting elected". The fucker sacrifiiced American soldiers for a chance to save his presidency. This shit is absolutely fucking ridiculous SACRIFICING AMERICAN SOLDIERS for political gain and that fucker Bush isn't too far behind. Unfortunately I'm sure Bush already has the NSA cleaning out his fucking closet and burning any possible evidence that could be used against him.

I did see that. Yeah, I agree that is what Bush is doing. He is sacrificing lives so he can have his legacy. I have to admit that since we made such a huge mess over there, we have an interest in cleaning it up. But that is just to save face, which is no way in hell worth the lives of soldiers who volunteered to serve their country.

In Vietnam, one arguement for pulling out was that communism would build momentum and spread. Well, that was true. Sounds like the whole "they will follow us over here" arguement. While an attack here may be likely, it is probably fueled by us fighting over there.

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Wow. I have been reading here for a while and I read this.... Alls I can say is you are very misleading. You try and support your view with facts that you don't even link to. Saying the Army has said the Muster is linked to a recall, but yet you haven't posted a website or anything showing what you say is true. You poke the finger at everyone who doesn't agree with you, calling them HRC or recruiter. Even if someone on here was a recruiter or HRC, in the IRR recruiting numbers "DO NOT" matter. While in IRR you are still considered an Army asset.

On the topic of a reserve unit, this was brought up pages upon pages ago about people who joined becuase people like yourself freaked them out with facts you still don't show any evidence of. Everyone on here states they "do not know" what is going on, but you seem to "know". So if you do know where are you getting your information? Can you provide me with some links? I'll put this at the bottom too so you don't forget...

It doesn't matter though. Everyone has their own ideas, I however will not say it is or isn't something to do with a recall. What I will say is you know for a fact it is and IRR recall because of your statements which you do not provide any support for.

Please provide some links proving your statements are true.


So if I can jump in here for that original guy who posted...

Actually, his second post reads to me about something entirely different. And he did reference the previous article, the quotes, the accepted facts that there's an Army personnel and recruiting shortage, the current plan to be in Iraq to 2009, the fact that current IRR folks are due to return and must be replaced, the sordid news that the Muster was supposed to be 5K but is really 30K, etc, etc...

So...you totally missed the point. Purposefully?

Speaking as a message board reader, I'd like to see some quid pro quo. You show us something. Go ahead. Do it.

Shoot, show us anything - anything at all - that supports the idea that the muster is not related to an IRR Recall. I'll remind you at the bottom so you don't forget. Sorry, couldn't resist... :)

Heck, the Army is even deploying troops with brain injuries now. Brain inuries. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/26/fort_irwin/

These quotes and data are alarming enough, but then you add the number of times the military has lied/misstated. And whatever the HRC says, all soldiers on this site know the opposite is probably true. So the more you protest that there's no link to an IRR Recall, the more everyone scratches their head and says, "Really? That sounds fishy..."

So unless baby needs hims food-food directly spoonfed to hims mouth, you can look at these data points and the quotes and draw your own common sense conclusion. Isn't that the beauty about Freedom of Speech and a free society?

Or do you hate our Freedom? Again, couldn't resist... :)

And so a single post that you deigned not to read at all is posited as data for additional information - which I agree allows other folks to research more and ultimately make a well-informed decision.

But you don't want people making a well-informed decision, do you?

And perhaps that's why you and others haven't ever provided a single article or data point supporting the idea that the Muster is not related to the IRR Recall. Oh, and that must mean we're about at the end of this post.

I'm guessing you have nothing. And that you'll just continue to sit there and snipe about these ideas,facts, quotes, and data points. Which is great.

Because if this message and information wasn't hitting too close to home and the truth and didn't make sense, you'd just ignore it as crackpottery.

But you can't, can you? It got inside you and drives you crazy. I wasn't really convinced one way or the other until all you guys got wacky about sharing of some information, ideas, and thoughts...

But every time you try to respond, you only make it stronger. Because if it really didn't matter and was nowhere near the truth, you'd just ignore it.

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So if I can jump in here for that original guy who posted...

Actually, his second post reads to me about something entirely different. And he did reference the previous article, the quotes, the accepted facts that there's an Army personnel and recruiting shortage, the current plan to be in Iraq to 2009, the fact that current IRR folks are due to return and must be replaced, the sordid news that the Muster was supposed to be 5K but is really 30K, etc, etc...

So...you totally missed the point. Purposefully?

Speaking as a message board reader, I'd like to see some quid pro quo. You show us something. Go ahead. Do it.

Shoot, show us anything - anything at all - that supports the idea that the muster is not related to an IRR Recall. I'll remind you at the bottom so you don't forget. Sorry, couldn't resist... :)

Heck, the Army is even deploying troops with brain injuries now. Brain inuries. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/26/fort_irwin/

These quotes and data are alarming enough, but then you add the number of times the military has lied/misstated. And whatever the HRC says, all soldiers on this site know the opposite is probably true. So the more you protest that there's no link to an IRR Recall, the more everyone scratches their head and says, "Really? That sounds fishy..."

So unless baby needs hims food-food directly spoonfed to hims mouth, you can look at these data points and the quotes and draw your own common sense conclusion. Isn't that the beauty about Freedom of Speech and a free society?

Or do you hate our Freedom? Again, couldn't resist... :)

And so a single post that you deigned not to read at all is posited as data for additional information - which I agree allows other folks to research more and ultimately make a well-informed decision.

But you don't want people making a well-informed decision, do you?

And perhaps that's why you and others haven't ever provided a single article or data point supporting the idea that the Muster is not related to the IRR Recall. Oh, and that must mean we're about at the end of this post.

I'm guessing you have nothing. And that you'll just continue to sit there and snipe about these ideas,facts, quotes, and data points. Which is great.

Because if this message and information wasn't hitting too close to home and the truth and didn't make sense, you'd just ignore it as crackpottery.

But you can't, can you? It got inside you and drives you crazy. I wasn't really convinced one way or the other until all you guys got wacky about sharing of some information, ideas, and thoughts...

But every time you try to respond, you only make it stronger. Because if it really didn't matter and was nowhere near the truth, you'd just ignore it.

Man, it seems you are passionate. That's about all I can understand. Where in the hell did you learn to write? Maybe I am just dumb. Can you give me the Ciff's Notes version?

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What is the arguement about now anyway? Is it whether the musters are related to a recall, or whether that article is proof that there is a link?

I don't see how you cannot think that the musters are a prelude of some kind to a recall (why spend that $, there are more troops in Iraq, poor recruiting, etc...), but if you think that CSM Monitor article is the proof, I respectfully disagree. That paragraph was worded to imply the two are linked, but don't you think the writer would have attributed the "link" to some official, even an anymous one. The article almost looks like it attributes the link between the musters and recalls to the HRC spokesman, but the statement about the musters clearly says "according to news reports" - meaning that no Army guy told the writer anything about musters.

But if that is what you want to believe, then that is what you read. I learned from being in Iraq not to believe half of what comes out of the press, regardless of what the political view is. Either they want to promote their own views, or they don't understand. That is why I stopped watching Fox News. I got really tired of hearing about how great things were for so long, when the facts were the opposite.

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Man, it seems you are passionate. That's about all I can understand. Where in the hell did you learn to write? Maybe I am just dumb. Can you give me the Ciff's Notes version?

Ha! That's probably true that I'm as wordy as anybody. I can't speak for that original poster, but I agree with his assertation that the Muster seems to make sense that it's being done for a future IRR Recall.

There's the Cliff's. Now discuss... :)

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What is the arguement about now anyway? Is it whether the musters are related to a recall, or whether that article is proof that there is a link?

I don't see how you cannot think that the musters are a prelude of some kind to a recall (why spend that $, there are more troops in Iraq, poor recruiting, etc...), but if you think that CSM Monitor article is the proof, I respectfully disagree. That paragraph was worded to imply the two are linked, but don't you think the writer would have attributed the "link" to some official, even an anymous one. The article almost looks like it attributes the link between the musters and recalls to the HRC spokesman, but the statement about the musters clearly says "according to news reports" - meaning that no Army guy told the writer anything about musters.

But if that is what you want to believe, then that is what you read. I learned from being in Iraq not to believe half of what comes out of the press, regardless of what the political view is. Either they want to promote their own views, or they don't understand. That is why I stopped watching Fox News. I got really tired of hearing about how great things were for so long, when the facts were the opposite.

Yep, I'm with you...

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Ha! That's probably true that I'm as wordy as anybody. I can't speak for that original poster, but I agree with his assertation that the Muster seems to make sense that it's being done for a future IRR Recall.

There's the Cliff's. Now discuss... :)

Thanks. Sorry if I was rude. I do agree with you.

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Request gets reservist off 5th war deployment

By Brian Skoloff - The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Jul 31, 2007 21:57:32 EDT
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — The Army has released a reservist from active duty after he asked a federal court to block his fifth deployment to war zones, his lawyer said Tuesday.

Sgt. Erik Botta was sent to Iraq three times and to Afghanistan once, and he felt the Army should consider his previous tours “to assure a sharing of exposure to the hazards of combat.” He filed a court petition July 12, contending that the Army’s refusal to exempt him “constitutes unlawful custody.”

But Botta, 26, of Port St. Lucie, withdrew his petition Tuesday, noting that the Army told him he would be released from active duty and demobilized as of Tuesday, his lawyers said in a filing in U.S District Court here.

Botta was sent home from Fort Jackson near Columbia, S.C., on Monday night, said his attorney, Mark Waple.

“We’re very happy to have Erik home with his family, headed back to school and back to his job,” Waple said in a telephone interview.

He said the Army released Botta because it determined he “was not medically qualified to remain on active duty.”

The decision surprised Waple because Botta never claimed any medical disqualification and suffers from no illnesses.

Waple said that Botta, who had reported for duty July 15 with plans for deployment a few weeks later, was now pursuing an honorable discharge.

Army spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Phillips did not respond to specific questions about why Botta was released from active duty.

“The Army has policies and procedures in place to handle situations when a soldier is determined to be in a non-deployable status,” Phillips said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “Each soldier is handled on an individual basis.”

Botta had said at the time he filed his petition that he wasn’t against the war, but simply felt he had done his duty. He was granted an initial exemption from deployment last year, allowing him to pursue an electrical engineering degree at Palm Beach Community College and work as a senior technician on Blackhawk and Seahawk helicopters at Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.

But his latest exemption request was initially denied by the Army.

Phillips noted at the time Botta filed his petition that Army Reserve units deploy for 12 consecutive months, and that Botta had only accumulated about 10 nonconsecutive months of deployment.

She also noted that Botta was under an eight-year service contract. Phillips said that out of 649 deployment delays requested by soldiers since the start of the Afghanistan war in 2001, the Army has granted 561, or 87 percent.

Botta enlisted in the Army Reserves in October 2000. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, he requested transfer to active duty, which was granted the next month, according to the petition. He was deployed to Afghanistan for about seven months in 2002. He then had three deployments to Iraq as part of a special operations team — about a month in 2003, three months in 2004 and 15 days later that year, according to his petition.

After his release from active duty on Oct. 30, 2004, Botta had not been required to participate in any training, he said.

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Lawmakers come back upbeat after Iraq trip

By Amy Doolittle - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Aug 1, 2007 6:51:49 EDT
Two groups of Republican lawmakers who made quick trips to Iraq over the past two weeks say they went expecting disaster but came back encouraged.

“We thought we have a message that needs to be heard,” said Rep. John Carter, R-Texas. “We went over skeptical, but we were pleased to hear that soldiers from the top to the bottom are saying things are getting better.”

The representatives, who went in groups of five and six for two nights, each said they visited Marines and soldiers in Ramadi and Baghdad. Morale in both cities, they said, was high.

“We were left with one overwhelming fact, and that’s just how amazing the troops are,” Carter said. “We got a chance to visit with them. They’re like any other individual who would like to be home with their family, but without exception they said, ‘We think we can get this job done, we want to get this job done,’ and they’re confident that they can prevail.”

Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, said even though the area has improved, there is still work to do.

“On the down side, the government is young, it’s being tasked with the rebuilding of their government in a very short period of time while they’re still … fighting a war,” he said. “All in all, I would say that I was much more upbeat than I would expect it to be. Yes, we are making some progress. Yes there are areas where more progress needs to be made.”

Still, Burgess said he felt safe walking through the market in Ramadi. Although he was accompanied by three soldiers during his market stroll and was wearing a flak jacket, he said he would’ve felt comfortable without any guards or gear.

“I guess [the protection is] necessary because I’m a member of Congress,” he said. “But in retrospect I almost wish I hadn’t had the protective gear on. We had a lot of kids coming up and talking to us and it would’ve made it a little more relaxed.”


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Shit, I'd come back upbeat too if I only stayed in Iraq for TWO FUCKING NIGHTS. Take a lot of photo-ops, tell troops they're doing a good job and you'll see them when their 15-month tour is over, if they survive. Poor politicians had to wear a flak jacket! Load them down with IBA, DAPS, ESAPI, side SAPI, water, ammo, commo, frag, weapon, helmet, night vision, food, etc and he'd REALLY wish he didn't have it on. But hey, he had his own U.S. Army PSD. One last thing. What soldiers did they think they were talking to? The FOBBITs? Aviation? PSDs? Is there even a shred of doubt that they are talking to those who'll give them 'the line' that all 'leaders' and VIP get? When my CO, BC, etc asks how things are, you don't tell them the truth you share with your platoon mates. You say 'everything is great, sir, happy to be here sir, fuckin-A, sir.' And that's what the VIPs were told.

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Lawmakers come back upbeat after Iraq trip

By Amy Doolittle - Staff writer
Posted : Wednesday Aug 1, 2007 6:51:49 EDT
Two groups of Republican lawmakers who made quick trips to Iraq over the past two weeks say they went expecting disaster but came back encouraged.

“We thought we have a message that needs to be heard,” said Rep. John Carter, R-Texas. “We went over skeptical, but we were pleased to hear that soldiers from the top to the bottom are saying things are getting better.”

The representatives, who went in groups of five and six for two nights, each said they visited Marines and soldiers in Ramadi and Baghdad. Morale in both cities, they said, was high.

“We were left with one overwhelming fact, and that’s just how amazing the troops are,” Carter said. “We got a chance to visit with them. They’re like any other individual who would like to be home with their family, but without exception they said, ‘We think we can get this job done, we want to get this job done,’ and they’re confident that they can prevail.”

Rep. Michael Burgess, R-Texas, said even though the area has improved, there is still work to do.

“On the down side, the government is young, it’s being tasked with the rebuilding of their government in a very short period of time while they’re still … fighting a war,” he said. “All in all, I would say that I was much more upbeat than I would expect it to be. Yes, we are making some progress. Yes there are areas where more progress needs to be made.”

Still, Burgess said he felt safe walking through the market in Ramadi. Although he was accompanied by three soldiers during his market stroll and was wearing a flak jacket, he said he would’ve felt comfortable without any guards or gear.

“I guess [the protection is] necessary because I’m a member of Congress,” he said. “But in retrospect I almost wish I hadn’t had the protective gear on. We had a lot of kids coming up and talking to us and it would’ve made it a little more relaxed.”


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Shit, I'd come back upbeat too if I only stayed in Iraq for TWO FUCKING NIGHTS. Take a lot of photo-ops, tell troops they're doing a good job and you'll see them when their 15-month tour is over, if they survive. Poor politicians had to wear a flak jacket! Load them down with IBA, DAPS, ESAPI, side SAPI, water, ammo, commo, frag, weapon, helmet, night vision, food, etc and he'd REALLY wish he didn't have it on. But hey, he had his own U.S. Army PSD. One last thing. What soldiers did they think they were talking to? The FOBBITs? Aviation? PSDs? Is there even a shred of doubt that they are talking to those who'll give them 'the line' that all 'leaders' and VIP get? When my CO, BC, etc asks how things are, you don't tell them the truth you share with your platoon mates. You say 'everything is great, sir, happy to be here sir, fuckin-A, sir.' And that's what the VIPs were told.


Or they could just declare Victory and start drawing down troops. If we "won", we don't need to be there, right?

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Of course he felt safe walking around, with all the security precautions for his visit. Besides his PSD team, I'm sure that the area was probably patrolled by hundreds of other soldiers with certain areas blocked off. As for the soldiers he talked to, of course they are not going to come out and tell him what an awful failure the surge is....the congressman is only hearing what he wants to hear. If he thinks that the majority of the soldiers believe we are actually helping the Iraqis and that the bombs are going to stop, then he is living in a fantasy world.

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Of course he felt safe walking around, with all the security precautions for his visit. Besides his PSD team, I'm sure that the area was probably patrolled by hundreds of other soldiers with certain areas blocked off. As for the soldiers he talked to, of course they are not going to come out and tell him what an awful failure the surge is....the congressman is only hearing what he wants to hear. If he thinks that the majority of the soldiers believe we are actually helping the Iraqis and that the bombs are going to stop, then he is living in a fantasy world.

A fantasy world called...Texas. Anyone want to claim ownership of that Congressman?

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Things are SO great we can pull out and not stop-loss soldiers or recall them from the IRR!

Yippee!

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These Congressmen get to play dress-up in a flak jacket and buy rugs in the completely pre-secured market.

And who paid for their boondoggle? Yep, you and me with our tax dollars. We funded their propoganda so they can tell us how great everything is...

And all the while today, the main Sunni Arab political bloc quit the Iraqi cabinet! They quit. This could lead to civil war and plunge the government into crisis. And further today, suicide bombers killed more than 70 people with massive strikes in the capital.

Doesn't progress feel good?

But at least these Congressmen got to buy a rug and tell us how nice it was... They probably also walked around with an all-day sucker, a Degrassi Jr. High lunchbox, and a Hello Kitty balloon.

I second my utter lack of surprise that both of these Congressmen are douchebag Republicans from Texas. Nobodies buying these lies any more...

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"I think my estimate at the time ... was wrong," Cheney said about his statement from 2005 that the insurgents were in their last throes.

"That clearly didn't happen. I think the insurgency turned out to be more robust," Cheney said.

--Oh yeah? You "think," Dick? I know PFCs who have to "know." But apparently not you. You draft dodging cowards get to send people to die for what you "think."

--Not that it matters to you either way since Halliburton's paying you a very large deferred salary for their no-bid contract for the war you started.

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The Pentagon announced Tuesday that it will rotate 20,000 into Iraq at the end of this year but denied the troops would extend President Bush's troop "surge" through next spring, The Associated Press reported Tuesday.

CNN Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr reported Tuesday that a "worst case scenario" would stretch military ranks as troops leave for their 15-month rotations.

"They may have to reach down into the National Guard or Army reserve" to maintain the troop levels, Starr said.

[Unregistered]

So if I can jump in here for that original guy who posted...

Actually, his second post reads to me about something entirely different. And he did reference the previous article, the quotes, the accepted facts that there's an Army personnel and recruiting shortage, the current plan to be in Iraq to 2009, the fact that current IRR folks are due to return and must be replaced, the sordid news that the Muster was supposed to be 5K but is really 30K, etc, etc...

So...you totally missed the point. Purposefully?

Speaking as a message board reader, I'd like to see some quid pro quo. You show us something. Go ahead. Do it.

Shoot, show us anything - anything at all - that supports the idea that the muster is not related to an IRR Recall. I'll remind you at the bottom so you don't forget. Sorry, couldn't resist... :)

Heck, the Army is even deploying troops with brain injuries now. Brain inuries. http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/03/26/fort_irwin/

These quotes and data are alarming enough, but then you add the number of times the military has lied/misstated. And whatever the HRC says, all soldiers on this site know the opposite is probably true. So the more you protest that there's no link to an IRR Recall, the more everyone scratches their head and says, "Really? That sounds fishy..."

So unless baby needs hims food-food directly spoonfed to hims mouth, you can look at these data points and the quotes and draw your own common sense conclusion. Isn't that the beauty about Freedom of Speech and a free society?

Or do you hate our Freedom? Again, couldn't resist... :)

And so a single post that you deigned not to read at all is posited as data for additional information - which I agree allows other folks to research more and ultimately make a well-informed decision.

But you don't want people making a well-informed decision, do you?

And perhaps that's why you and others haven't ever provided a single article or data point supporting the idea that the Muster is not related to the IRR Recall. Oh, and that must mean we're about at the end of this post.

I'm guessing you have nothing. And that you'll just continue to sit there and snipe about these ideas,facts, quotes, and data points. Which is great.

Because if this message and information wasn't hitting too close to home and the truth and didn't make sense, you'd just ignore it as crackpottery.

But you can't, can you? It got inside you and drives you crazy. I wasn't really convinced one way or the other until all you guys got wacky about sharing of some information, ideas, and thoughts...

But every time you try to respond, you only make it stronger. Because if it really didn't matter and was nowhere near the truth, you'd just ignore it.

So. You want a link to some proof that the muster isn't related to a recall... damn! You know, I can't even find proof that the muster isn't related to the start of the NFL season. I bet if we go to the muster we'll end up playing linebacker for Green Bay this fall.

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has anyone contacted their congressman or a media source. i sent a letter to my congressman with the names of who it came from, maybe he could get a better understanding of it. i also tried contacting several news agencies. we'll see how things go.

[utdcomet]

Even if the muster isn't directly related to any planned troop recall, it is meant to prepare for a recall should one happen. it is a wise action to take, because it makes clear what pool the Army has to draw from. The Army is running out of people. It must either reduce its commitments (which is a matter for the politicians to decide, for better or worse) or increase its number of available personnel. The days of the draft are long past, so they have to find bodies where they can. The IRR is an option that the Pentagon can consider and is considering. Once the those unfit to serve (for whatever reason) are weeded out, then it's a group that's already trained and seemingly ready to roll.

If the political situation does not stabilize enough to maintain order without our current levels of assistance within the next year (which must include the ability to protect the Kurds from attack by Iran and Turkey, as well as the obvious need to contain sectarian violence), there will likely be a recall, among other things, because few other options will exist. The only thing that could prevent this scenario is a legislated withdrawal.

If political stability is attained, well then, everything's hunky-dory-peachy-keen now, isn't it?

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Hey, has anyone actually gone to the muster. All I see on here is a lot of idiots talking about stuff that has nothing to do with what actually goes on at the muster. Just wondering.

I'm going tomorrow. I'll let ya'll know what happens.

[Captain Barbossa]

If you would have taken the time to read through this post, you would know that several people have already posted their muster experiences.

[Unregistered]

I didn't go because I got my discharge paperwork 3 days before the muster order so they can kiss my ass I did my 8 I'm done

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Hey, has anyone actually gone to the muster. All I see on here is a lot of idiots talking about stuff that has nothing to do with what actually goes on at the muster. Just wondering.

I'm going tomorrow. I'll let ya'll know what happens.

are you going to a readiness muster or an accountablility muster?

[PlsReadImportant]

When will the military object to what the corporate fascist jerks who care nothing for them stand up, this goes way beyond crossing the line. Pentagon to implant soldiers brains with microchips.

http://pressesc.com/news/80530072007/pentagon-implant-microchips-soldiers-brains

If you find any of this interesting/alarming and want more info please visit http://www.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=12

Also visit http://www.well.com/user/jmalloy/gunterandgwen/resources.html#refs9

P.S. Please pass this on to anyone you may feel is interested in this info.

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When will the military object to what the corporate fascist jerks who care nothing for them stand up, this goes way beyond crossing the line. Pentagon to implant soldiers brains with microchips.

http://pressesc.com/news/80530072007/pentagon-implant-microchips-soldiers-brains

If you find any of this interesting/alarming and want more info please visit http://www.earthpulse.com/src/category.asp?catid=12

Also visit http://www.well.com/user/jmalloy/gunterandgwen/resources.html#refs9

P.S. Please pass this on to anyone you may feel is interested in this info.

'Tard. This forum is about the IRR and musters. Go start your own thread and stay off this one.

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Request gets reservist off 5th war deployment

By Brian Skoloff - The Associated Press
Posted : Tuesday Jul 31, 2007 21:57:32 EDT
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. — The Army has released a reservist from active duty after he asked a federal court to block his fifth deployment to war zones, his lawyer said Tuesday.

Sgt. Erik Botta was sent to Iraq three times and to Afghanistan once, and he felt the Army should consider his previous tours “to assure a sharing of exposure to the hazards of combat.” He filed a court petition July 12, contending that the Army’s refusal to exempt him “constitutes unlawful custody.”

But Botta, 26, of Port St. Lucie, withdrew his petition Tuesday, noting that the Army told him he would be released from active duty and demobilized as of Tuesday, his lawyers said in a filing in U.S District Court here.

Botta was sent home from Fort Jackson near Columbia, S.C., on Monday night, said his attorney, Mark Waple.

“We’re very happy to have Erik home with his family, headed back to school and back to his job,” Waple said in a telephone interview.

He said the Army released Botta because it determined he “was not medically qualified to remain on active duty.”

The decision surprised Waple because Botta never claimed any medical disqualification and suffers from no illnesses.

Waple said that Botta, who had reported for duty July 15 with plans for deployment a few weeks later, was now pursuing an honorable discharge.

Army spokeswoman Maj. Cheryl Phillips did not respond to specific questions about why Botta was released from active duty.

“The Army has policies and procedures in place to handle situations when a soldier is determined to be in a non-deployable status,” Phillips said in an e-mail to The Associated Press. “Each soldier is handled on an individual basis.”

Botta had said at the time he filed his petition that he wasn’t against the war, but simply felt he had done his duty. He was granted an initial exemption from deployment last year, allowing him to pursue an electrical engineering degree at Palm Beach Community College and work as a senior technician on Blackhawk and Seahawk helicopters at Sikorsky Aircraft Corp.

But his latest exemption request was initially denied by the Army.

Phillips noted at the time Botta filed his petition that Army Reserve units deploy for 12 consecutive months, and that Botta had only accumulated about 10 nonconsecutive months of deployment.

She also noted that Botta was under an eight-year service contract. Phillips said that out of 649 deployment delays requested by soldiers since the start of the Afghanistan war in 2001, the Army has granted 561, or 87 percent.

Botta enlisted in the Army Reserves in October 2000. After the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, he requested transfer to active duty, which was granted the next month, according to the petition. He was deployed to Afghanistan for about seven months in 2002. He then had three deployments to Iraq as part of a special operations team — about a month in 2003, three months in 2004 and 15 days later that year, according to his petition.

After his release from active duty on Oct. 30, 2004, Botta had not been required to participate in any training, he said.

I know that a lot of people, myself included, thought that this guy was a crybaby because in total, he has less than a year of deployed time. But then I thought about it, and this guy got really screwed. One of the worst parts of being deployed is just leaving, and the initial depression of thinking about not being home. After a while you get used to it. But this guy had to keep dropping everthing to deploy. Think about how it screwed up his work and family. You can say he hasn't done as much as many people, but I do think he suffered enough.

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I know that a lot of people, myself included, thought that this guy was a crybaby because in total, he has less than a year of deployed time. But then I thought about it, and this guy got really screwed. One of the worst parts of being deployed is just leaving, and the initial depression of thinking about not being home. After a while you get used to it. But this guy had to keep dropping everthing to deploy. Think about how it screwed up his work and family. You can say he hasn't done as much as many people, but I do think he suffered enough.

What is a deployment delay???

[Unregistered]

What is a deployment delay???

I know that IRR recalls can request a delay - extra time before they report to wrap up their affairs, finish a school semester, etc. I did not know that you could get one if you were in a regular reserve unit, though. Maybe he was deploying as an individual, not with a unit.

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I know that IRR recalls can request a delay - extra time before they report to wrap up their affairs, finish a school semester, etc. I did not know that you could get one if you were in a regular reserve unit, though. Maybe he was deploying as an individual, not with a unit.

I did find this online:
www.west-point.org/class/usma1995/classnews/IRR/Web_data.ppt
It has a little bit of information on the appeals process. May be outdated though...

[Unregistered]

Just saw a MSG recruiter in Syracse, NY who had no combat patch. Before you ask, he had bells and whistles on his uniform, just no patch on the right shoulder, and from what I could tell he was active duty...

Before I report for this pre-cursor to an IRR mobilizaion & deployment to Iraq in support of yet another surge, I want someone high up to at least lie to me and say that all active duty members of the Army have served their two+ tours. Maybe then I'll at least consider it.

OK, so I wont.

[Unregistered]

Lying is hot.

http://www.milkandcookies.com/link/65351/detail/

And, er ah, if you could show up for a muster and then get recalled to die in Iraq for a draft dodger like me, that'd be dynamite. Thx.

Yours,
R. Cheney

[Unregistered]

Some days I dream about a responsible government with combat veterans making the important decisions. I haven't made up my mind about the current crop of candidates, but when a co-worker told me that a lot of them lack 'experience' I just shook my head. POTUS and the VP had 'experience' running corporations and look what that translates to. Give me someone decent, patriotic, morally strong, and above all, a LEADER. Not a CEO, not a President of a company, titles mean squat. When was the last time we were inspired by a President? I'll admit, Bush inspired me post 9-11. But now? bin Laden's his verbal boogeyman. What happened to 'dead or alive' and 'we will not fail' GWB? Fucking hot air.

Oh, and I went to the muster, 60% hard sell, NCOs knew I wasn't gonna play ball, was out in less than 3 1/2 hours. Saw some others sign up though. Changed MOSes.

Anyone know more about them turning folks into Civil Affairs? Is is just by rank or something more important like on-the-ground BTDT experience? I think I could deal with a call up as Civil Affairs, but I'm tired of the line. Just please God not a truck driver or an MP!

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Some days I dream about a responsible government with combat veterans making the important decisions. I haven't made up my mind about the current crop of candidates, but when a co-worker told me that a lot of them lack 'experience' I just shook my head. POTUS and the VP had 'experience' running corporations and look what that translates to. Give me someone decent, patriotic, morally strong, and above all, a LEADER. Not a CEO, not a President of a company, titles mean squat. When was the last time we were inspired by a President? I'll admit, Bush inspired me post 9-11. But now? bin Laden's his verbal boogeyman. What happened to 'dead or alive' and 'we will not fail' GWB? Fucking hot air.

Oh, and I went to the muster, 60% hard sell, NCOs knew I wasn't gonna play ball, was out in less than 3 1/2 hours. Saw some others sign up though. Changed MOSes.

Anyone know more about them turning folks into Civil Affairs? Is is just by rank or something more important like on-the-ground BTDT experience? I think I could deal with a call up as Civil Affairs, but I'm tired of the line. Just please God not a truck driver or an MP!


Actually, I believe they're trying to turn most folks into Civil Affairs or Infantry - two terrible options. You're either gruntin' it in bullet-land or you're doing Civil Affairs projects with Iraqis who don't want you there and don't want to work with you. The word on the street is that Civil Affairs is to be avoided because its incredibly frustrating and nothing is getting done because the Iraqis themselves aren't committed. No matter how much good work we do, nothing will be successful unless the Iraqis can get their house in order.

And the Sunnis just seceeded from their own government. It's civil war. 142 Iraqis died on Wednesday as the Sunnis walked out on their own government. Looks like Bush's goal of a "unity government" can be chalked up as another failure for him. Isn't Bush tired of being a failure? We're sure tired of it...

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070802/NEWS07/708020378/1001/NEWS

[Unregistered]

Weeks ago I linked this thread to an email I sent to the Investigative Team of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. At that point, there were lots of different people posting their fears and concerns about this muster, and it seemed like a strong argument for the disruption and stress that the military places upon honorable veterans. Now this thread has been reduced to nothing more than immature, chat-room-like bickering. We've now made ourselves look like a bunch of unmanageable privates deserving of the Army instead of wisened, disciplined soldiers that have learned from their experiences.