Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

[Unregistered]

Weeks ago I linked this thread to an email I sent to the Investigative Team of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. At that point, there were lots of different people posting their fears and concerns about this muster, and it seemed like a strong argument for the disruption and stress that the military places upon honorable veterans. Now this thread has been reduced to nothing more than immature, chat-room-like bickering. We've now made ourselves look like a bunch of unmanageable privates deserving of the Army instead of wisened, disciplined soldiers that have learned from their experiences.

You've got a mix of all-kinds here. That's why they make the big bucks to cut through the chatter and pick out what's important. Still, not surprising considering the state of the country nowadays: crumbling bridges and infrastructure stateside, but $12 billion a month for Iraq. And no increase in spending for poor kids or education because it costs too much. Seriously---we got Punk'd.

[Unregistered]

As a member of the IRR it is a reqiurement to make sure you keep your personal information up to date. Each Soldier out of the 30,000 that received orders to attend were sent a letter of instruction and what the IRR Muster entailed. To date no one that attended it has been recalled or received MOB Orders. This could be a simple exercise in accountability.

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Wait, seriously? The Sunnis seceeded from the Iraqi Parliament? Hold on, I gotta verify...

Whoa.

Alright, I just did research. Actually it looks like the Sunnis had already staged a five-week boycott. Then they showed up 10 days ago only to now full sedeed from the Iraqi Government. And the Kurds just threated war against the main powers.

What the hell's going on over there that's not being reported. This is a 3-Way Civil War.

This is definitely not Unity Government. If the Iraqis can't or won't work with each other, it's a lost cause and a waste of my tax dollars and the lives of my friends and neighbors.

If we can see this, you know that our own leaders can as well.

Anyone sent who dies from this point on is an immeasurable needless death. And I'm not just a checkbook for our elites in the White House to keep spending with no end in sight. I'm callling my Senators/Congressman today...

not to be rude but what does that have to do with a muster? can we get back on the topic please!?

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As a member of the IRR it is a reqiurement to make sure you keep your personal information up to date. Each Soldier out of the 30,000 that received orders to attend were sent a letter of instruction and what the IRR Muster entailed. To date no one that attended it has been recalled or received MOB Orders. This could be a simple exercise in accountability.

sure it is captain recruiter!

[Unregistered]

not to be rude but what does that have to do with a muster? can we get back on the topic please!?

Are the musters done for this year? When is round two?

[Unregistered]

This week's descent into Civil War in Iraq has everything to do with the Muster. If it scares you, don't read it little man...

post something that should scare me pee wee.

[Unregistered]

Are the musters done for this year? When is round two?

once they are done that is it for the year from what the NCO said at HRC

[Unregistered]

post something that should scare me pee wee.

yeah no kidding man! you should not even be talking about it on this thread so move yorur ass over there loser! this thread is for the muster not civil war crap!

[Unregistered]

yeah no kidding man! you should not even be talking about it on this thread so move yorur ass over there loser! this thread is for the muster not civil war crap!

First rule of Iraq Fight Club...

[Unregistered]

Maybe it should be about a better name than Individual Ready Reserve...

[Unregistered]

Thanks to the original poster of this info. It was interesting. And speaking as a reader, I have the ability to ignore posts that aren't relevant to me. But it's obvious that each person who posted against this sharing of info must be incredibly slow and unable to look at more than one facet of any issue. Sad, really.

blah, blah, blah move over to another thread jackass! this board is for muster info only not cnn or msnbc crap about sunni's and no i don't care if you get a riled up over what i just said. move on and post real information about musters and keep your news about sunni's on other threads! or better yet just go turn on the t.v. this news is more than two days old you bush loving loser.

[Unregistered]

It sounds like a mix of people went to the musters (deployed and not). Any patterns anyone can think of?

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blah, blah, blah move over to another thread jackass! this board is for muster info only not cnn or msnbc crap about sunni's and no i don't care if you get a riled up over what i just said. move on and post real information about musters and keep your news about sunni's on other threads! or better yet just go turn on the t.v. this news is more than two days old you bush loving loser.

Hey look, it's the dumbest person in the world... :-)

Some news is two-days old. It must not matter any more...

[Unregistered]

blah, blah, blah move over to another thread jackass! this board is for muster info only not cnn or msnbc crap about sunni's and no i don't care if you get a riled up over what i just said. move on and post real information about musters and keep your news about sunni's on other threads! or better yet just go turn on the t.v. this news is more than two days old you bush loving loser.

Nice exclamation point...he gets so emotional...like a girl. Ha, ha, ha...

[Unregistered]

Do NOT believe what they tell you to placate you.... the guy below is an infantry IRR recall who already deployed with a Ranger battalion, CIB, Jump wings, possibly EIB and probably can max the PT test. Got called up from his civilian life and they're fucking him over yet again with lack of promotion.

On 1 July,

"I think it's about time to let you all in on a little running joke that the "Clown Shoes" of previous posts have been playing on me for some time now.... You see...when me and a few dedicated individuals were activated as part of the Individual Ready Reserve (free agent list), we were informed of some very limited benefits that we were afforded as part of the call to duty....and by limited I mean one..... This benefit being that us E-4's and E-5's were to be promoted, provided the appropriate paperwork was submitted and certain standards were met....Now for the joke...The "Clown Shoes" submitted this paperwork back in March....And my promotion was approved and was to be awarded Apr.1.... Well....Apr 1 comes and goes...promotions happen....none of which are any of us from the IRR..A few weeks go by...a few more promotions...none for IRR....I began to wonder what was going on seeing as it was approved a month ago.....I inquire and am told that the paperwork work was submitted to the wrong place and that they needed to resubmit it.... This left me to wonder who approved said promotion if the paperwork was submitted to the wrong place....Alright...Continuing on....I am later told that the paperwork required has changed since we were told in February, and that they knew the required paperwork and would take the required steps to have in completed and submitted...We are entering May and while there are promotions happening....none however are for us IRR soldiers....I began questioning some more and finally..one of the clown shoes comes forth and says....we know what you guys need for promotion but we need you to call on your own and find out, then tell me so we can get it started....hmm...the joke continues...I call the good people in the know and they tell me the same things we were told in February....so...here we are right where we started...we write down everything needed...the proper paperwork is filled out....Signed....and what i thought was submitted...That was Early June.... It is now July 1st....still no promotion....I suppose the joke continues.....

On 27 July...

"We're back from out little tour of the countryside..It was an interesting little trip..Someone was definately on our side this time...I wish i had been in A.C. instead..might have made it a little more lucrative....Anyway...we're back to refit...and finding things much the same as we left them...a few differences being SGT.'s Nievera and Thomson are now SSGs...SSG Nunn finally received his SFC. when we got back...Thats pretty exciting...SPC. Sidwa...still SPC. Sidwa....yes...apparently some more mistakes were found in the paperwork....It seems the clownshoes have remained true to form.....Command has some issues they need to work out....hopefully before i have a run in...I don't need to be an E I owe you one again....anyway....gotta get to the gym...."

[Unregistered]

Do NOT believe what they tell you to placate you.... the guy below is an infantry IRR recall who already deployed with a Ranger battalion, CIB, Jump wings, possibly EIB and probably can max the PT test. Got called up from his civilian life and they're fucking him over yet again with lack of promotion.

On 1 July,

"I think it's about time to let you all in on a little running joke that the "Clown Shoes" of previous posts have been playing on me for some time now.... You see...when me and a few dedicated individuals were activated as part of the Individual Ready Reserve (free agent list), we were informed of some very limited benefits that we were afforded as part of the call to duty....and by limited I mean one..... This benefit being that us E-4's and E-5's were to be promoted, provided the appropriate paperwork was submitted and certain standards were met....Now for the joke...The "Clown Shoes" submitted this paperwork back in March....And my promotion was approved and was to be awarded Apr.1.... Well....Apr 1 comes and goes...promotions happen....none of which are any of us from the IRR..A few weeks go by...a few more promotions...none for IRR....I began to wonder what was going on seeing as it was approved a month ago.....I inquire and am told that the paperwork work was submitted to the wrong place and that they needed to resubmit it.... This left me to wonder who approved said promotion if the paperwork was submitted to the wrong place....Alright...Continuing on....I am later told that the paperwork required has changed since we were told in February, and that they knew the required paperwork and would take the required steps to have in completed and submitted...We are entering May and while there are promotions happening....none however are for us IRR soldiers....I began questioning some more and finally..one of the clown shoes comes forth and says....we know what you guys need for promotion but we need you to call on your own and find out, then tell me so we can get it started....hmm...the joke continues...I call the good people in the know and they tell me the same things we were told in February....so...here we are right where we started...we write down everything needed...the proper paperwork is filled out....Signed....and what i thought was submitted...That was Early June.... It is now July 1st....still no promotion....I suppose the joke continues.....

On 27 July...

"We're back from out little tour of the countryside..It was an interesting little trip..Someone was definately on our side this time...I wish i had been in A.C. instead..might have made it a little more lucrative....Anyway...we're back to refit...and finding things much the same as we left them...a few differences being SGT.'s Nievera and Thomson are now SSGs...SSG Nunn finally received his SFC. when we got back...Thats pretty exciting...SPC. Sidwa...still SPC. Sidwa....yes...apparently some more mistakes were found in the paperwork....It seems the clownshoes have remained true to form.....Command has some issues they need to work out....hopefully before i have a run in...I don't need to be an E I owe you one again....anyway....gotta get to the gym...."

So you'd be ok with it if you got promoted???

[Unregistered]

Nice exclamation point...he gets so emotional...like a girl. Ha, ha, ha...

could be worse...we all could be gay like you! i guess you are still living in your own little world you stupid myspace faggot! i guess you only have time to play hide the bishop with your boyfriend....you must be navy! ha ha ha ha!

[Unregistered]

Hey look, it's the dumbest person in the world... :-)

Some news is two-days old. It must not matter any more...

that is right...kind of like your life. you're nothing but a waste of sperm and egg so shut your trap loser! hahahahhahhahha

[Unregistered]

Ha! That's just what I was thinking. It hurts to read people who are that dense.

I'm glad this Civl War info is posted here. Sure it can be posted on the other pages, too. But this way this information reaches people who might not otherwise see it.

And they and me can decide if we want to read it or not. But at least we're free to have the option. But this short bus rider who's scared (and I think he said he's a Bush Lover which totally makes sense) keeps yelling at people to shut up because he hates freedom. Eh, another neocon chickenhawk.

dense...well look in the mirroe and decide which one of your two faces you are gonna wear. hint...the one you got is not working for you. oh and by the way if you think you have any freedom you are dead wrong! you have no civil liberties anymore so deal or move to another country chickenhawk

[Unregistered]

wow just becaue they're wimps does not mean you should bash them....there mommy may hurt you

[Unregistered]

Per Jon over at The Command TOC re: all the Sunnis walking out of the Iraqi Parliament this week.

There's no way our military effort can work if the Iraqis can't work with each other.

>>>Yeah, I didn't realize this either until Steve posted. I googled and saw that the LA Times reported that:

"The withdrawal of all six Iraqi Accordance Front Cabinet members Wednesday all but destroyed hopes that leaders of the country's main ethnic and religious factions can reach agreement on a set of legislative reforms intended to quell sectarian fighting before U.S. officials issue a progress report to Congress in September."

That's not so good... >>>

[Unregistered]

that is right...kind of like your life. you're nothing but a waste of sperm and egg so shut your trap loser! hahahahhahhahha
hhahahahahah... that's hilarious!!!

[Unregistered]

Weeks ago I linked this thread to an email I sent to the Investigative Team of the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. At that point, there were lots of different people posting their fears and concerns about this muster, and it seemed like a strong argument for the disruption and stress that the military places upon honorable veterans. Now this thread has been reduced to nothing more than immature, chat-room-like bickering. We've now made ourselves look like a bunch of unmanageable privates deserving of the Army instead of wisened, disciplined soldiers that have learned from their experiences.

I forgot I also sent this blog to a few newspapers and Time magazine. I guess they must of enjoyed reading our blogs.

[Unregistered]

So you'd be ok with it if you got promoted???

I wouldn't be okay with it but it is the LEAST they can do! Seriously, I've seen real shitbirds promoted simply due to them sticking around long enough. If there was ever a case of earning a promotion, it is having the fidelity, patriotism and virtue to not only serve on your second or third deployment to Iraq or Afghanistan, but to leave your civilian life behind to do so. That is above and beyond many things soldiers do, aside from battlefield heroism and excelling at taking care of soldiers. Seriously, they are demonstrating their leadership unlike many, who take the "do as I say, not as I do" route. These guys are not CPTs or SSGs coming back in and taking a leadership slot by MTOE, they are the heavy-lifters, the ones who get shafted on pay, privledges, duty positions and respect. They are not volunteers to be used, abused, and tossed after the deployment the UNIT needed them for. THEY did not need the unit.

I won't even go into the disregard for combat (combat arms-style combat) experience the leadership has. Used to be that combat experience was the real test, no recocking, do-overs, or alibi-fires, you saw who crakced and who didn't. Now, with everyone deploying, they don't care. It's still ass-kissing, buddy-buddy system, pencil in whatever to get promoted.

Am I wrong?

[Unregistered]

Where have YOU been? That's how it's always been done. Just ignore the Army values and blue falcon your peers and friends. Gotta look out for number one.

[Unregistered]

Where have YOU been? That's how it's always been done. Just ignore the Army values and blue falcon your peers and friends. Gotta look out for number one.

well i am always lokking out for myself anyways. back on topic though wouldn't any IRR call up have to do with the way the rotations are. i think alot of them overlap and alot of things get lost in the middle when they should be paying attetion to what is going on. i think the musters are just musters and a IRR call up next year would be suicide for the army and the republicans in any case.

[Unregistered]

Actually, I believe they're trying to turn most folks into Civil Affairs or Infantry...

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070802/NEWS07/708020378/1001/NEWS

Do you have anything to support your theory or is it just, as you said, "word on the streets"?

[Unregistered]

These guys are not CPTs or SSGs coming back in and taking a leadership slot by MTOE, they are the heavy-lifters, the ones who get shafted on pay, privledges, duty positions and respect. They are not volunteers to be used, abused, and tossed after the deployment the UNIT needed them for. THEY did not need the unit. ?

Damn fucking straight. The lifers always forget that without troops to lead, they can't accomplish much of anything.

[Unregistered]

Haha...your writings crack me up. The Army should take a serious look at this forum. Maybe afterwards they’ll wake up and realize that the Army should change its policies on how they treat and inform their soldiers after witnessing how angry, confused, distrustful, disillusioned, and straight up crazy such a majority of us veterans are.

[Unregistered]

39th tells units to prepare
BY AMY SCHLESING
Posted on Saturday, August 4, 2007

Arkansas National Guard officials notified several units this week to begin preparing to mobilize with Arkansas’ 39th Infantry Brigade next year if the brigade deploys to Iraq as planned.

The need for soldiers to fill out the 39 th’s ranks came after 1st Army last week finally firmed up the details of the 39th’s pending mission, including personnel requirements and mission details. The mission calls for 3, 200 troops — more than first anticipated, and just about equal to the brigade’s current roster.

Maj. Gen. Bill Wofford, Arkansas’ adjutant general, on Friday said it would be “impossible” for the 39th to meet the required troop level without help.

“We’re going to get pretty dad-gummed close,” he said.

The problem is that not all 39th soldiers are deployable. The brigade has hundreds of soldiers still in basic training; about 400 eligible to retire or nearing the end of their enlistment contracts; and there are unknown hundreds with medical issues that could disqualify them from deployment.

“There are medical problems still lingering from the first [deployment ]” Wofford said. “But those numbers so far are not as alarming as I thought they’d be.” But, he called the number of soldiers the brigade will lose to medical issues “the big unknown.”

Some medical problems are fixable while others are chronic. Individual screenings are being done to identify those soldiers medically incapable of deploying.

“We knew we’d have medical problems upfront,” Wofford said. “At annual training, we tried to identify as many people as possible who had issues. We still have a lot of work to do. It’s an ongoing process.”

Guard officials are basing shortfall estimates on worstcase scenarios and preparing replacement units.

The need for soldiers to help fill the ranks of deploying units is commonplace.

Every National Guard unit in the nation has borrowed soldiers from other units to meet deployment manning requirements. The 39 th pulled hundreds of soldiers from other Arkansas units and about 1, 000 from other states for its Iraq deployment in 2004.

“There is nothing new here,” said Wofford about the need to use troops from other Guard units. “We’re going to try to maintain unit integrity whenever we can [by deploying units rather than individual soldiers ]. We want to build that cohesion in the brigade here at home rather than later down the road at the [mobilization ] station.”

Arkansas National Guard officials Friday confirmed that some units had been identified to help fill the 39 th’s ranks, but did not identify those units, pending notification of soldiers and their families.

However, word is starting to spread. On Thursday, KTLOFM, 101. 7, in Mountain Home cited several sources in a story on its Web site identifying the 224 th Maintenance Company as one of the units on alert. The 224 th last deployed to Iraq in 2003.

Calls to Gov. Mike Beebe and Col. Kendall Penn, 39 th Brigade commander, were not returned Friday.

This will be the first time Arkansas has called up entire units to bolster its largest brigade.

Rather than pulling individual soldiers from several different units to fill its ranks, the 39 th will move its own troops within its battalions to make room for entire companies from other units.

When the 39 th was mobilized in October 2003, about 1, 200 soldiers from 10 states were added to bolster the brigade’s strength to 4, 200.

The brigade served as part of the Fort Hood, Texas-based 1 st Cavalry Division and patrolled the streets of Baghdad from March 2004 through March 2005.

Earlier this year, the 39 th Brigade — known as the Arkansas Brigade — became the first National Guard unit to be called for a second tour of duty in Iraq, receiving an alert order April 6.

Three other National Guard brigades also were placed on alert — Oklahoma’s 45 th Infantry Brigade, Indiana’s 76 th Infantry Brigade and Ohio’s 37 th Infantry Brigade.

The 39 th is the only brigade to previously deploy in its entirety to Iraq. Parts of the brigades in Oklahoma, Ohio and Indiana have deployed to Afghanistan and Iraq. Those states are expected to face some of the same issues as the 39 th as they prepare to deploy. National Guard officials in all three states didn’t return phone calls Friday.

None of the four brigades has been mobilized yet, and National Guard officials don’t know exactly when or if those orders will arrive.

Without a mobilization order, commanders cannot stop Guard soldiers from leaving the ranks.

Under current stop-loss policies, soldiers are not allowed to retire or leave the service within three months of a mobilization order.

The 39 th’s pending deployment is the result of a drastic policy change established by Secretary of Defense Robert Gates in January that removed restrictions on how often National Guard forces can deploy. Before then, guardsmen were limited to no more than 24 months’ deployment in a fiveyear period.

Now, guardsmen can deploy as often as needed, although Army officials have said the goal is to get the Guard into a cycle of being deployed once every five years.

“There’s going to be holes in the bucket for a while, until we get into this new rotation cycle,” said a National Guard Bureau spokesman. “We’re going to have to rob Peter to pay Paul for at least a little while longer.”

Now, states are placing their own limits on deployment, when possible.

Wofford said he would not volunteer a unit to supplement a deploying unit unless it had been home at least 24 months. The last 39 th soldiers returned from Iraq exactly 24 months before the current alert order hit.

Repeat deployments create new issues that the Arkansas National Guard must blaze the trail for future units.

Getting a fully manned brigade in place early is essential, Wofford said. “You have to figure out who’s on the team before you can train the team.”

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This is just one of many, I'm sure of it. Where are they going to get their reinforcements? Obviously NOT from active duty, active/drilling reserve, active/drilling guard.

[Unregistered]

"Army offers $20,000 'quick-ship' bonus to attract recruits"

How about giving some of that to the soldiers they've ALREADY fucked over, rather than the would-be soldier? I forgot. Even WITH that they still can't bring in enough troops to get rid of stop-loss and IRR recalls. My mistake!

[Unregistered]

I think something that should also be considered in stop-loss and IRR guys being re-activated due to time remaining on their MSO, is what happens when a soldier breaks contract by serving less time than the contract calls for by going AWOL or deserts. The military doesn't just sit back and let it happen. They punish the soldier to the full extent of the UCMJ. The military should be held just as accountable for its actions as its individual components. And that's just the legal part. The moral part is something else entirely. I wonder if the Marines who salute Bush when he exits his helicopters ever got stop-lossed, IRR recalled or had a buddy who did. I would LOVE to see him trip the Prez or Veep.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

... a soldier breaks contract by serving less time than the contract calls for by going AWOL or deserts. The military doesn't just sit back and let it happen. They punish the soldier to the full extent of the UCMJ.Actually the "usual drill" these days is to sit back and do nothing unless the soldier comes forward and insists on being dealt with.

After that, if the soldier is content with an "administrative level discharge" then that is what is done.

Very few actually go to General Courts Martial and of those that do the punishment (generally speaking and absent some aggravating factor) is that the soldier is tossed out on his/her (r)ear.

As far as I know not a single soldier has been executed (the "full extent of the UCMJ") for "desertion in the face of the enemy" or even "desertion in tim of war" since Mr. Bush's War started. (Of course I could always be wrong and, if so, I would appreciate you referring me to the specific case(s) where that has happened.)

[Unregistered]

I got this off from the Indiana National Guard:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:NzqZaVwjnfIJ:www.campatterbury.org/images/PDF/CAMIP.pdf+ready+reserve+soldier+2008&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us&client=safari


6-6. UNIT STRENGTH. Camp Atterbury will try to bring all units up to 100% of required
strength, however, the unit may be deployed at 75% if resources are not available prior to
the unit shipping dates. It may be necessary to reassign some personnel in order to make
another unit mission capable. This is the last option exercised by the installation personnel
managers. Unit vacancies will be filled first by Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) and excess
unit personnel before any cross-leveling action is taken.

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That last sentence is so matter-of-factly that it's scary.

[Unregistered]

Actually the "usual drill" these days is to sit back and do nothing unless the soldier comes forward and insists on being dealt with.

After that, if the soldier is content with an "administrative level discharge" then that is what is done.

Very few actually go to General Courts Martial and of those that do the punishment (generally speaking and absent some aggravating factor) is that the soldier is tossed out on his/her (r)ear.

As far as I know not a single soldier has been executed (the "full extent of the UCMJ") for "desertion in the face of the enemy" or even "desertion in tim of war" since Mr. Bush's War started. (Of course I could always be wrong and, if so, I would appreciate you referring me to the specific case(s) where that has happened.)


I can think of a few...

SSG Camilo Mejia (ARNG): 1 Year Prison Sentence / BCD
SGT Kevin Benderman (RA): 1 Year, 3 Months Prison Sentence / Dishonorable Discharge
1LT Watada (ARNG): Double Jeopardy Court Case / TBD, may be 4 Year Prison Sentence
Lance Corporal Stephen Funk (USMC): 6 Month Prison Sentence / BCD

There might be more. But these folks were all in uniform when they stood up against the Iraq War.

It seems if you're IRR and don't report at all, then you're much, much better off. This could change at any time, but it seems like the worst you'll get is an OTH if you lay low in the IRR and don't report.

[Unregistered]

I got this off from the Indiana National Guard:

http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:NzqZaVwjnfIJ:www.campatterbury.org/images/PDF/CAMIP.pdf+ready+reserve+soldier+2008&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=14&gl=us&client=safari


6-6. UNIT STRENGTH. Camp Atterbury will try to bring all units up to 100% of required
strength, however, the unit may be deployed at 75% if resources are not available prior to
the unit shipping dates. It may be necessary to reassign some personnel in order to make
another unit mission capable. This is the last option exercised by the installation personnel
managers. Unit vacancies will be filled first by Individual Ready Reserve (IRR) and excess
unit personnel before any cross-leveling action is taken.

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That last sentence is so matter-of-factly that it's scary.

Do you think there's an Army-wide directive that allows these yahoos in Indiana to say they'll fill unit vacances first by IRR? Or do you think these Hoosiers are just talking?

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

I can think of a few...

SSG Camilo Mejia (ARNG): 1 Year Prison Sentence / BCD
SGT Kevin Benderman (RA): 1 Year, 3 Months Prison Sentence / Dishonorable Discharge
1LT Watada (ARNG): Double Jeopardy Court Case / TBD, may be 4 Year Prison Sentence
Lance Corporal Stephen Funk (USMC): 6 Month Prison Sentence / BCD

There might be more. But these folks were all in uniform when they stood up against the Iraq War.As I said "absent some aggravating factor". Those folks didn't simply "walk away" they "took a public stand that is in opposition to the 'officially approved' line".

BTW, what about the other (roughly) 3,500 folks who DID simply "walk away" - in 2005, the 2006 figures don't seem to have been released?

Aren't those the ones that we are talking about?

It seems if you're IRR and don't report at all, then you're much, much better off. This could change at any time, but it seems like the worst you'll get is an OTH if you lay low in the IRR and don't report.You may well be right. Remember, many of those folks in the IRR have "political connections" (and I don't mean that they are buying Senators or Representatives - only that they are well established members of their communities without any (normally) detectable ties to the military (in any active sense). Those kind of folks have a nasty tendency to be able to make PR waves and, what with the massively underwhelming support that both Mr. Bush and Mr. Bush's War currently have, that is something that the government of the United States of America (particularly the Executive Branch) doesn't particularly want right now.

[Unregistered]

Haha...your writings crack me up. The Army should take a serious look at this forum. Maybe afterwards they’ll wake up and realize that the Army should change its policies on how they treat and inform their soldiers after witnessing how angry, confused, distrustful, disillusioned, and straight up crazy such a majority of us veterans are.

great idea. i think i will forward to a few senators.

[Unregistered]

hi,
Quick question. My husband got muster orders, I don't want him to attend because I am afraid of him getting deployed so I threw them away. Would he get in trouble for that? What would happen if he ignored all the letters or not attend the recall altogether? Any insight would help, thanks.

[Scotty]

hi,
Quick question. My husband got muster orders, I don't want him to attend because I am afraid of him getting deployed so I threw them away. Would he get in trouble for that? What would happen if he ignored all the letters or not attend the recall altogether? Any insight would help, thanks.
You really need to tell him as soon as possible. While the current policy might be to let such actions slide since it's sometimes more trouble than it's worth, he could get into serious trouble and he has the right to make that decision for himself.

He made a commitment in full knowledge that the job involves deploying to combat zones and in my opinion should honor that commitment.

[Unregistered]

Anyways....back to the original topic....

I just got back from my "Muster." It took place in Minnesota, and according to the Career Counselor there, she got 81 replies from the almost 200 orders sent out.

I was there for only 5 minutes. I completed all the online stuff before going. But the main reason I was in and out probbaly had to do with the fact that my MSO (8-year mark) was July 25, 2007. So, my MSO came and went in between the time the muster orders were cut and when I showed up for the muster.

This will probably be the only time I ever make equivalent to +$2,000/hour.

Z

[Unregistered]

i totally agree with you. he should at least call the number listed and tell them that he cannot attend or something. i feel that if you just don't show you will draw just as much attention as if you did. i plan on showing up and not signing up for anything.

[Unregistered]

I notice some post are being deleted, weird huh?

[Unregistered]

Anyways....back to the original topic....

I just got back from my "Muster." It took place in Minnesota, and according to the Career Counselor there, she got 81 replies from the almost 200 orders sent out.

I was there for only 5 minutes. I completed all the online stuff before going. But the main reason I was in and out probbaly had to do with the fact that my MSO (8-year mark) was July 25, 2007. So, my MSO came and went in between the time the muster orders were cut and when I showed up for the muster.

This will probably be the only time I ever make equivalent to +$2,000/hour.

Z

Wait, you took tax dollars after your MSO was complete? Are you an officer? Or did you take tax dollars illegally?

And, of course, for another IRR person who gets recalled, that $168 won't go near as far working 24/7 in the sand...

[Unregistered]

I notice some post are being deleted, weird huh?

Very weird... I read a post here about Cheney that was removed within hours... Seems the only posts being deleted are the obvious attack/flame posts and then "general liberal" ideas...

[Unregistered]

Im from Houston...just did my muster today and it took approximately 1 1/2 hour. I did my online stuff and was out of there really quick. She did not even ask me about re-up or joining back in, she just explained to me what my duties are as far as being in the IRR. I asked her the chances of me being called back to duty and she said its possible since got till April 2010...Oh well, just hope this will all be over by then.

[Unregistered]

Minnesota Muster

I went earlier today (and posted about it, too). When I first received these muster orders around July 1st, I called HRC and told them my MSO would be up before the first date of the musters here. The guy said because the orders were dated pre-MSO completion, I still had to attend.

Nothing like sticking it to the Army one last time....

[Unregistered]

Minnesota Muster

I went earlier today (and posted about it, too). When I first received these muster orders around July 1st, I called HRC and told them my MSO would be up before the first date of the musters here. The guy said because the orders were dated pre-MSO completion, I still had to attend.

Nothing like sticking it to the Army one last time....

No, it's cool you got some money and all. It's just that...they cannot force you to attend. You were already a civilian... Unless by showing up and taking the money, you incurred some sort of obligation. But that doesn't make sense either. Weird...

[Unregistered]

Very weird... I read a post here about Cheney that was removed within hours... Seems the only posts being deleted are the obvious attack/flame posts and then "general liberal" ideas...

i guess the army feels the same way the bush adminstration does. if you talk about them you are against them. pretty lame if you ask me. let's see how long it takes them to take down this message shall we?

[Unregistered]

Fuck the army, fuck Bush and fuck the direction this country is heading in.

[Unregistered]

It is really lame for people on here to call anyone that disagrees with them a recruiter. It shows real immaturity and ignorance. It is the equivalent of junior high kids talking about someone's mom when they run out of things to say.

Sounds like some people I have seen on T.V. that call anyone who opposses the war unpatriotic.

[Unregistered]

i guess the army feels the same way the bush adminstration does. if you talk about them you are against them. pretty lame if you ask me. let's see how long it takes them to take down this message shall we?

Dude, they just took down one of my posts! I did it as a test. It had no bad language. But it definitely had a liberal bent and recommended people think hard before going to a muster. It was to see what would happen, and someone is censoring this site big time.

America likes to talk, talk, talk about Freedom in theory. But, in practice, they hate our Freedom. (Especially draft dodgers like Bush and Cheney along with the Army, etc...)

[Unregistered]

Dude, they just took down one of my posts! I did it as a test. It had no bad language. But it definitely had a liberal bent and recommended people think hard before going to a muster. It was to see what would happen, and someone is censoring this site big time.

America likes to talk, talk, talk about Freedom in theory. But, in practice, they hate our Freedom. (Especially draft dodgers like Bush and Cheney along with the Army, etc...)

Tis true...

[Unregistered]

If you are headed to a muster or have been called up from the IRR for this latest installment of the Crusades you might want to watch this video and ask yourself if the contract you signed really obligates you in this massive failure to occupy Iraq.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/080307A.shtml

[Unregistered]

Dude, they just took down one of my posts! I did it as a test. It had no bad language. But it definitely had a liberal bent and recommended people think hard before going to a muster. It was to see what would happen, and someone is censoring this site big time.

America likes to talk, talk, talk about Freedom in theory. But, in practice, they hate our Freedom. (Especially draft dodgers like Bush and Cheney along with the Army, etc...)

Hey Guys,

I'm the one that wrote about my husband getting those letters and I threw them away. I asked if it was the right thing to do, but now I know why I never got a response and that is because someone deleted my question.

I just wanted to know if my husband would get into trouble for not responding. I don't ever want him to go back again and I don't think any wife should live like that. Anyone know the repercussions and if I should tell him he got letters.

[Unregistered]

Hey Guys,

I'm the one that wrote about my husband getting those letters and I threw them away. I asked if it was the right thing to do, but now I know why I never got a response and that is because someone deleted my question.

I just wanted to know if my husband would get into trouble for not responding. I don't ever want him to go back again and I don't think any wife should live like that. Anyone know the repercussions and if I should tell him he got letters.

[Scotty]

Hey Guys,

I'm the one that wrote about my husband getting those letters and I threw them away. I asked if it was the right thing to do, but now I know why I never got a response and that is because someone deleted my question.

I just wanted to know if my husband would get into trouble for not responding. I don't ever want him to go back again and I don't think any wife should live like that. Anyone know the repercussions and if I should tell him he got letters.
Don't worry, your question was not deleted. It's back on page 104. There were a fair few anonymous posts criticising my response to your question and so I guess a lot of replies have been deleted lately though that wasn't one of them.

Essentially it seems they don't seem to follow this sort of thing up much but it is possible and in any case it should be up to your husband to make the choice. You'd have every right to be mad at him if he hid your mail to stop you making a decision he disagreed with and so the reverse should also be true.

I personally think he should follow orders but neither of us should have the final say and he may very well agree with you.

[Unregistered]

Hey Guys,

I'm the one that wrote about my husband getting those letters and I threw them away. I asked if it was the right thing to do, but now I know why I never got a response and that is because someone deleted my question.

I just wanted to know if my husband would get into trouble for not responding. I don't ever want him to go back again and I don't think any wife should live like that. Anyone know the repercussions and if I should tell him he got letters.


Actually, you may get better information at http://polybius.blogs.com/. It's The Command T.O.C. and is an independent site friendly to IRR members and family members like you to ask/answer questions on virtually any topic.

There are Vets of all political persuasion on this site, but it's generally considered to be "liberal" by the Far Right Extremists. But what this really means to you is that you can simply ask your question, and no one will preach and moralize telling you what we think your husband should do. Go, don't go, whatever. That's up to you and him...

But almost all of us are experienced and decorated (and disabled) Vets with overseas experience. Drop by sometime...

[Unregistered]

This is the link to the Muster thread if you feel like dropping by...

http://polybius.blogs.com/left_of_way/2007/06/irr_muster_is_a.html

[Unregistered]

This is the link to the Muster thread if you feel like dropping by...

http://polybius.blogs.com/left_of_way/2007/06/irr_muster_is_a.html


Lol... And no one will delete your posts for political reasons - unlike this forum.

[sao feng]

i have been on that site. it has alot of information!

[astcell]

If you throw away hubby's papers you are putting off the inevitable. My western Union Mailgram looked like junk mail when I got it. The real orders show up later on and you cannot miss those. Throwing them away may give you the time you need to accept what is happening and enjoy what you have while you have it.

[sao feng]

If you throw away hubby's papers you are putting off the inevitable. My western Union Mailgram looked like junk mail when I got it. The real orders show up later on and you cannot miss those. Throwing them away may give you the time you need to accept what is happening and enjoy what you have while you have it.

you received muster orders via western union? mine just came in the regular mail. or are you talking about something else? can you please specify? also, has anyone gone to the latest muster?

[astcell]

I got a heads up regarding mobilization orders via Western Union mailgram in March 2005. Western union has since gone out of the mailgram business. My orders and a deployment packets followed a week later.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Dude, they just took down one of my posts! I did it as a test. It had no bad language. But it definitely had a liberal bent and recommended people think hard before going to a muster. It was to see what would happen, and someone is censoring this site big time.Most reputable websites will not allow posts that advocate the commission of crimes.

That WAS what you were doing you know.

Your post was about as ethical as a Recruiter telling a potential recruit to conceal information when enlisting. The Recruiter is quite right when they say that "nothing will happen" - however they aren't quite being straight when the neglect to add "to me" to that "nothing will happen".

Admittedly - most of the time - nothing serious will happen BUT try telling that to the Recruit who gets the short end of the stick and winds up a felon because of their "fraudulent enlistment".

However, if you feel that your "constitutional right to yell 'FIRE' in a crowded theatre" has been infringed on, why not seek legal advice in order to sue a private company for refusing to let you say whatever you feel like saying on a private message board?

You do know that first five words of the First Amendment (you know, the one that contains the words "or abridging the freedom of speech") are "Congress shall make no laws". I am sure that you will win a Kazillion dollars in damages - right after you convince the court that the "Founding Fathers" "originally intended that the word "Congress" to mean "the Army Times Publishing Company, 6883 Commercial Dr., Springfield, Va. 22159-0500 USA" and that they meant "laws" to mean "not letting an idiot convince other people to commit crimes - especially when the idiot wouldn't suffer in the least if the other people got convicted of committing those crimes".

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

I just wanted to know if my husband would get into trouble for not responding."Would" is one thing. "Could" is quite another.

I don't think that anyone can tell you if your husband WILL get into trouble if he fails to respond to his IRR call out. (BTW, don't trust anyone who says that they can absolutely positively answer that question unless you have rock-solid guarantees that they are going to pay your husband's legal bills as well as serving whatever sentence your husband has imposed on him.)

That your husband might get into trouble is self-evident.

I don't ever want him to go back again ...Isn't that sort of his decision to make - ultimately?

... and I don't think any wife should live like that.If you included mothers, fathers, and children in that sentiment, I wouldn't be surprised if you found around 200,000 people who were personally involved in a situation similar to yours and who agreed with you.

Anyone know the repercussions ... The repercussions are that he MIGHT be charged under the UCMJ and end up with a DD (or even jail time) which would put a real crimp on his future employment prospects.

... and if I should tell him he got letters.
You do know that it is a federal offence to interfere with the mail, don't you? Were the letters addressed to you? Have you intercepted them? Are you preventing their delivery to their rightful addressee? Doesn't your husband deserve to know that he is doing something that might result in a felony conviction?

Isn't that your question an easy one to answer?

[astcell]

If the letters were first class, yes he should have received them. If they were junk mail (bulk rate) then they can be tossed. I think they were likely first class mail.

Yes, he has the decision to go or stay, as did I. With a retirement letter in hand it is very hard to say no and give that up. I opted to deploy. My wife opted to divorce. For every action there is a reaction. Some family out there actually wait for their spouses. Or maybe that's a rumor.

The time will fly. I would have been home now, my 18 months completed. My wife decided to leave, so I decided to stay here on active duty.

Believe me, as you are a wife at home thing of it this way. Picture a huge Thanksgiving table complete with turkey, dressing, cranberries and pie. The works. Add everything you ever wanted to it. Now, remove one of your favorite items and set it outside. Now look at the table. It is still rather bountiful is it not? The item outside represents your husband. Subject to the elements, separated from everything that he knows and loves and wants in life. YOU are not the one going without. You have support, you live in peace, you have American life. He will have none of that. All he has is the faith and promises of those he left behind, regardless if they are there for him or not. He will risk his life daily.

Start a countdown and look forward to the day this is over. It will go faster than you think. And remember this is muster time, not deployment time. He can get delays and deferments and play the odds that they will not need him eventually. I did that and prolonged the inevitable. The sooner you start, the sooner this mess will end.

YES I am off topic, sorry, but this woman needs to hear this. I know how she feels and she came here first. she deserves a reply. Anyone can discuss this with me offline.

[Captain Barbossa]

Commission of a crime for not attending a muster? HAHAHAHAHA. Oh boy, the big bad KGB is going to come and get you.

Lets be realistic. People from the IRR ignore mobilization orders and nothing happens. And the regulation says you must miss a second muster before they can punish you.

I do agree you should give him the letter and let him decide on his own though.

[astcell]

Mustering is just another way to say, "Since you will not voluntarily go to a recruiter to see your options, we will pay you to come to the recruiter!"

[Captain Barbossa]

Mustering is just another way to say, "Since you will not voluntarily go to a recruiter to see your options, we will pay you to come to the recruiter!"

Yeah, I agree with you there.

[sao feng]

i agree with you. i just got a call from hrc-st. louis asking whether i wanted to be a recruiter. the answer is heck no! i am ignoring the army just like everyone else!

[astcell]

I am not the right rank to be a recruiter but if I was you can bet I would treat folks different. I get recruiters contacting me (now even) and promising me the school and MOS of my dreams, then they are gone in a flash. All hat, no cattle.

[sao feng]

I am not the right rank to be a recruiter but if I was you can bet I would treat folks different. I get recruiters contacting me (now even) and promising me the school and MOS of my dreams, then they are gone in a flash. All hat, no cattle.

i did not bother to return her call. i am not going to waste my time being a recruiter. it is just not my type of job. no disrespect but they are under alot of pressure these days and i am not interested in the headache it would give me. i got out to get rid of the headaches i had at that time. i think i made a good choice. best of luck to all. has anyone gone to the muster they had onthe 11th?

[airborne03]

Has anyone received their $176?????

I went on the 27th of July and have yet to receive anything!:mad:

[rabbitdonkey]

I was on vacation last week and I received a phone call from some bitch crying about me not going to a muster. She gave me an 800 number to call so I wouldn't have anymore " problems". Your the one with the problems honey, doing the dirty deeds. I have no sympathy at all for recruiters or these nipple-heads calling me about a muster(stupid word). You know where you can stick those 8 years kitten. I'm finished with PT belts baby, finished.

[wulfbourne]

I went to the muster at Ft. Meade today. It lasted all of 45 minutes. I could tell by her sign in sheet that only about 5 other people had been there since monday. I'm guessing most people going there are going on the weekend. Anyway she took my paperwork, went to go copy my ID and bank info while I watched a 14 minutes movie. She tried to get me to join a unit which I refused. She also told me that they are changing the IRR to become less inactive. They have started making them go to weapons qualification, take PT tests etc. Also she told me that only people in certain MOS's and ranks were chosen for this muster. They want to start using the IRR to fill vaccencies in units deploying instead of transferring someone attached to another unit. So anyway, that's what went on at Ft. Meade. GL everyone.

[sao feng]

sounds like you went to an accountability muster. i have the luxury of going to the readiness muster this weekend. oh lucky me! anyways she is full of crap. there is no weapons qual or PT test for inactive soldiers. they are tranforming nothing anyways. by the way did you just turn in medical records or something? i am just curious and was looking for a little more detail. thanks man!

[wulfbourne]

sounds like you went to an accountability muster. i have the luxury of going to the readiness muster this weekend. oh lucky me! anyways she is full of crap. there is no weapons qual or PT test for inactive soldiers. they are tranforming nothing anyways. by the way did you just turn in medical records or something? i am just curious and was looking for a little more detail. thanks man!
No medical records or anything. She took my certificate that I did the Individual Warrior screening and my pay information. Then she gave me a packet of information if I change my mind and that was it. It all happened in her small office. I even watched the video in there on her computer. My husband and baby were in there as well because he didn't want to drive home and then back again. (I don't have my license)

[blah333]

176 dollars huh?

did i read that wrong?

mine came out to 131 and change.

i showed up and i got ripped!!!!

:(


Pending ACH CREDIT DFAS-IN
IND, INARMY $131.84

[johnnyboy]

So, I was away from home over the summer working on an internship. I came back this week and I found this muster letter while going through all the mail that I didn't get while away. Of course, I didn't show up or call because I got the letter just now. What kind of trouble am I in now?

[Chateauroux]

So, I was away from home over the summer working on an internship. I came back this week and I found this muster letter while going through all the mail that I didn't get while away. Of course, I didn't show up or call because I got the letter just now. What kind of trouble am I in now?

Trouble? I'd say none. If the Army is too damn cheap not to send it registrated mail and have you sign for it, proving they sent it, screw 'em. I'd toss it and claim I never got it.

[airborne03]

How long ago do you go to your muster that you received your $131.84?

I went 3 weeks ago and nothing?

:mad:

[sao feng]

i went to the muster at meade yesterday. it was a pretty harmless affair. they did give us far warning about it taking a long time. 5 hours for me. they really needed more people doing the blood drawing but everyone had good spirits about it.

[astcell]

Wow this place got quiet since registration became a requirement.

[blah333]

thats cause they are tracing IP addy's and sending CIA hit squads to all the people who post bad comments.

then they force them to join the army by installing head units and directional sound in their homes and drive them schizphrenic until they join the army active duty and sign 6 year active contracts.

it happens all the time.

this is the secret america.

the secret army retention program.

[blah333]

How long ago do you go to your muster that you received your $131.84?

I went 3 weeks ago and nothing?

:mad:



mine was on ummm like july 28 or something so it was pretty quick.. i thought it was gonna take 8 weeks like a travel pay usually takes...

[Chateauroux]

thats cause they are tracing IP addy's and sending CIA hit squads to all the people who post bad comments.

then they force them to join the army by installing head units and directional sound in their homes and drive them schizphrenic until they join the army active duty and sign 6 year active contracts.

it happens all the time.

this is the secret america.

the secret army retention program.

Unless this post was tongue-in-cheek, shouldn't you be sitting on your roof wearing your tin foil hat waiting for the mother ship?

[astcell]

Check at mypay.dfas.mil for your LES and see where your money went.

[blah333]

Unless this post was tongue-in-cheek, shouldn't you be sitting on your roof wearing your tin foil hat waiting for the mother ship?

is the mother ship in the tail of haley's comet?

dont i have to wait another 75 years?? i dont think ill live that long.

[blah333]

Check at mypay.dfas.mil for your LES and see where your money went.

thanks!!

yes it was in there as an LES :) (didnt think it would be...)

they just put me in with 0 exemptions for some reason hmmm... and single... guess i should update that somehow somewhere.

[astcell]

Yep, you can change your deductions and your mailing address on the site too.

[blah333]

Yep, you can change your deductions and your mailing address on the site too.

btw i threw away my tin foil hat a long time ago :p

actually i wanna get one of those cone hats like that 80's rock group " u can dance if u want to"

[DOC]

Fuck the army, fuck Bush and fuck the direction this country is heading in.


Funny... This didn't get deleted.

[2YearsOrBust]

Ahh, drill. I just returned from another fascinating wknd of doing absolutely nothing of value when I caught word that it was almost certain our unit would be getting called up late '08-early '09. Of course I ETS in May 09 and have been holding my breath that this day wouldn't happen again, after my 03-04 deployment to Iraq.

HOWEVER, I am in the precarious position of someone who is in a Public Affairs unit, but who is not MOS qualified in Public Affairs. My actual MOS is Transportation, which in theory would seem quite volatile in the IRR, but I know that Public Affairs Specialists are understrengthed. Here's my delimma:

-Do I risk joining the IRR next summer with a Trans MOS, prior to the PA course I would take that would make me MOS-qualified, BEFORE our unit potentially gets stop-lossed?
-Do I become a Public Affairs Specialist, but then go into the IRR in fall '08?
-Do I just transfer to another crappy Transportation unit (not to be confused with my current Public Affairs unit) until my ETS is through? Please don't say yes.

I guess I'm wondering how volatile the IRR still is and what MOS's seem to be the more critical and/or under/over strengthed than others.

[blah333]

yes please join the IRR!! we need more people here !!!

that way less of a chance of being called in.

thankyou

[2YearsOrBust]

So I take that that's a no. Appreciate.

[blah333]

most people seem to think theres gonna be an early 08 callup given the musters that have just been goin on..

remmeber the 30K people that got mustered?

i went there too. and i got 2 years in the sandbox already. 2 long long long long years.

and some other people seem to say that everyone will generally be transportation or CA... that sounds about right...but donr forget the trombone player called up in 2004 hahahahaha :p

so who knows...

take your chance and come join the IRR...

will there be callups?

im sure there will be!!

i just hope they consider the time we spent in the sandbox 1st.

[2YearsOrBust]

I am not concerned about early 08 for myself frankly. It's early 09 I am frightened of.

And you brought up a good point: I would like to also know if longevity in the IRR system is a factor as well. Anotherwards, would a soldier whose been in the IRR for 2 years have more or equal chance of getting pulled than a soldier whose been in the IRR for 6 months, regardless of MOS.

THAT'S my question man.

[astcell]

Public Affairs folks are being let out now, there is a start of a draw down and the people I have talked to say they are the first to leave. But that is today. Frankly no one knows what 09 will bring us at this time.

As for time in the IRR counting...think of it as a list of names to hire from. The active duty side asks for 1000 names and you are on the list. I doubt they draw in any specific order. Maybe the first 1000 who answer the phone then they go back for more. I got called in 2005 and my MOS is Civil Affairs from the start. You would think I would have been called up a lot sooner, and when I got to the mob point they were ready to send me to CA school. Obviously not everyone is talking.

If you are in the IRR at least figure out a way to get your 50 points a year. Take correspondence or language courses or volunteer for 2 week assignments in Germany. That way those years count towards retirement. You cannot say you will not be around for it.

[2YearsOrBust]

What does public affairs folks "being let out" mean? What does "draw down" mean?

Also I'm confused about your point being civil affairs. You're saying you were in the IRR with a Civil Affairs MOS, but didn't get pulled until 2005. Then you said once at your mob point, they wanted you to attend "Civil Affairs school"? I don't get that. You were ALREADY Civil Affairs, how could you reclass?

[astcell]

Some PA folks who are on orders now are not staying longer than one tour. Draw down means we will go from the 168,000 folks deployed down to 134,000 (projected) but the people will come out through normal attrition.

Yes, they wanted to send me to school, when they saw I was already MOSQ they just kept me around doing extra duties until it was time to deploy. when they called me up I was just a guy who got the letter. I was not hand picked for the callup, though since being called up I have had some choice duties.

If you do go to CA the "normal" ranks are E-7 and O-4. They do the work. If you are a higher rank you will reap the benefits. If you are a lower rank, all I can say is I went through my baptism by fire in Bosnia, and this is your turn.

Do not expect to go CA if you are E-1 through E-5. Those ranks will likely get other assignments. Also if you have enough time in grade and service to be promoted, GET THOSE ANNUAL POINTS so that you can be promoted on the next go around.

[2YearsOrBust]

Still confused. "Some PA folks who are on orders (for WHAT???) are not 'staying longer' than one tour." Staying longer WHERE???? Are we still talking about the IRR???

I'm not interested in retirement points, as I don't intend on retiring.

[sao feng]

Still confused. "Some PA folks who are on orders (for WHAT???) are not 'staying longer' than one tour." Staying longer WHERE???? Are we still talking about the IRR???

I'm not interested in retirement points, as I don't intend on retiring.

okay first off look at the situation you are in. you are in a trans mos but you are working in public affairs. my suggestion is you are probably going to lose either way my friend. but if you stay in a transportation unit all those wonderful things will for the most part happen to you....stop loss, not ETS-ing on time and so one but if you go public affairs then you may have it eaiser when you go to get out if that is what you want. as far as the muster that just happened don't pay any attention to it right now seeing you have other things to consider. i hope this helps and best of luck to you!

[2YearsOrBust]

Let's hold on a minute here people. I feel like the IRR is getting a bad rap.

Since the time I posted that I've done a lot of research, to include calling the DOD press office and actually SPEAKING to several people I personally know in the IRR, to include Transpo MOS. The IRR has a bad stigma and is not as volatile as it once was. I think you all are just kind of going with the general consencus and group think on this board being that it's SOOO horribly dangerous and risky. I know there's a risk involved, but not as much as there once was.

The people I personally know in the IRR, some being in 3-6 months, some over a year, have not gotten touched at all. Call it a crap shoot if you will, but I'm DETERMINED to find out their filtering process and method of selection. There's been different schools of thought:

-LIFO (Last In First Out)
-Based on MOS
-Based on time in IRR
-Based on last deployment
-Random

The goal right now is not to keep preaching how damned dangerous the IRR WAS but to identify the selection practices currently being used in the IRR and look ahead to the future, not the past.

[sao feng]

Let's hold on a minute here people. I feel like the IRR is getting a bad rap.

Since the time I posted that I've done a lot of research, to include calling the DOD press office and actually SPEAKING to several people I personally know in the IRR, to include Transpo MOS. The IRR has a bad stigma and is not as volatile as it once was. I think you all are just kind of going with the general consencus and group think on this board being that it's SOOO horribly dangerous and risky. I know there's a risk involved, but not as much as there once was.

The people I personally know in the IRR, some being in 3-6 months, some over a year, have not gotten touched at all. Call it a crap shoot if you will, but I'm DETERMINED to find out their filtering process and method of selection. There's been different schools of thought:

-LIFO (Last In First Out)
-Based on MOS
-Based on time in IRR
-Based on last deployment
-Random

The goal right now is not to keep preaching how damned dangerous the IRR WAS but to identify the selection practices currently being used in the IRR and look ahead to the future, not the past.



if you did not want to hear what other people had to say then don't ask and as far as you contacting the DOD press office show proof. if you have been flipping through this board then you will notice the stories without warrant. personally the IRR is a joke all you had to do was be at meade for the 6+ hours of crap. so enjoy your crap shoot

[2YearsOrBust]

What does that even MEAN? Show proof of what?? How is the IRR a joke?

All I'm suggesting is that we not make ourselves martyrs here and find out what's REALLY going on.

[sao feng]

What does that even MEAN? Show proof of what?? How is the IRR a joke?

All I'm suggesting is that we not make ourselves martyrs here and find out what's REALLY going on.

just because you say you talked to someone does not mean anything. for all we know you could have been talking to a barracks lawyer. and as far as the IRR being a joke just look at the stories posted here. that is all you need to know. it may be a confusing situation but i try to stay away from the army as much as possible. the headache was not worth it when i was in and it surely won't dictate my life now that i am out. alot of people feel the same way and that is a shame seeing i actually did enjoy my first 1 and a half in and then it went dowhill from there.

[2YearsOrBust]

Ok I have no clue what you're talking about. You're obviously OUT of the Army at this point, so I'm sure it's all fine & well for you to sit there and have a lax attitude about it all, but I'm not sure why you're suspecting me of coming on here and lying. I frankly don't care if you beleive I spoke with someone at the press office or not. Like really.

And Im still not sure what you're implying about the IRR being a joke based on the stories on here. The stories on here just indicate there's a slew of information out there and no one really seems to know, THUS the forum. Which is why I came here. Perhaps joke is the wrong adjective?

[sao feng]

ah what is the matter armytimes? to much propaganda for ya?

[sao feng]

Funny... This didn't get deleted.

but other things will. this must be a bush admintration website.

[2YearsOrBust]

Are they deleting threads again? Why?

[sao feng]

Are they deleting threads again? Why?

don't know. i had typed a message for you and they deleted it. it had alot of info in it so i really do not understand why and cannot give you an explaination. sorry. you're on the right track though. if you want you can check out www.usmilitary.about.com they have alot of info on all branches and if you e-mail the webmaster he is retired and pretty much knows everything. give that a try and best of luck to you.

[sao feng]

does anyone know if there information has been update don AKO yet? i checked mine and nothing but the hearing test.

[astcell]

Wow this board sure died. No one else getting called up?

[sao feng]

Wow this board sure died. No one else getting called up?

yeah it sure did brother! i still have not gotten a response to my question. maybe i should talk to someone else.

[2bhelpful]

http://www.meililaw.com/index.asp?f=

this may help

[teapots614]

I just found this forum as we're researching information for my daughter to file a recall exemption. She's and IRR Army MP who just received her recall orders on Thursday. It wasn't for a one day muster, it's for "up to 25 days of training" and then to "support Operation Iraqi Freedom, not to exceed up to 400 days, unless extended or terminated by proper authorities. After a training trip to Ft. Jackson, she's been assigned to a National Guard Unit at Ft. Whiting. Sounds like hers are more than a "one-day muster" to get updated information. she's been out for 15 months and hasn't received aything about updating her information, until she got the orders. As you can imagined, we were all shocked.

My daughter has a 3 month old baby and her husband is in the police academy and cannot be the primary caregiver, amongst a bunch of other reasons why we're filing for exemption.

Just wanted everyone to know that recall orders are being sent and the silent backdoor draft continues.

[Riverbridge]

It is a back door draft and somehow like in the 60's and 70's the people of this country sould know what is really going on!

Why are we sacrificing our children, our soldiers for those of another country who have no desire to fight and defend themselves.

We trained our troops in WW11 in 6 weeeks! These people do not want us there!!!! They do not want our "help", they want to be free from our intervention.

Why are their lives more important than ours here?

Also, I was wondering if anyone from the USMC was at the Muster in Kansas City at the beginning of the month and what details can they share.

Are they filled or are they still in the process of recalling others to get to their quota?

[aaaa]

I just found this forum as we're researching information for my daughter to file a recall exemption. She's and IRR Army MP who just received her recall orders on Thursday. It wasn't for a one day muster, it's for "up to 25 days of training" and then to "support Operation Iraqi Freedom, not to exceed up to 400 days, unless extended or terminated by proper authorities. After a training trip to Ft. Jackson, she's been assigned to a National Guard Unit at Ft. Whiting. Sounds like hers are more than a "one-day muster" to get updated information. she's been out for 15 months and hasn't received aything about updating her information, until she got the orders. As you can imagined, we were all shocked.

My daughter has a 3 month old baby and her husband is in the police academy and cannot be the primary caregiver, amongst a bunch of other reasons why we're filing for exemption.

Just wanted everyone to know that recall orders are being sent and the silent backdoor draft continues.

i am in almost the exact situation. been out 17 months have a 12 month old. my husband is a police officer. i recieved orders on thursday also for not to exceed 400 days. i got out to have a family and raise my child. my husband cant take off work. i also am filing for an exemption and if that doesnt work, well i just wont go

[sao feng]

i am in almost the exact situation. been out 17 months have a 12 month old. my husband is a police officer. i recieved orders on thursday also for not to exceed 400 days. i got out to have a family and raise my child. my husband cant take off work. i also am filing for an exemption and if that doesnt work, well i just wont go

what was your MOS. i can understand an MP being called back but not some MOS's. as far as filing for an exemption you should call the lawyer a previous poster put up here. they maybe able to help. anyways, do you think all are gonna show up for a recall. i know i wouldn't.

[sao feng]

I just found this forum as we're researching information for my daughter to file a recall exemption. She's and IRR Army MP who just received her recall orders on Thursday. It wasn't for a one day muster, it's for "up to 25 days of training" and then to "support Operation Iraqi Freedom, not to exceed up to 400 days, unless extended or terminated by proper authorities. After a training trip to Ft. Jackson, she's been assigned to a National Guard Unit at Ft. Whiting. Sounds like hers are more than a "one-day muster" to get updated information. she's been out for 15 months and hasn't received aything about updating her information, until she got the orders. As you can imagined, we were all shocked.

My daughter has a 3 month old baby and her husband is in the police academy and cannot be the primary caregiver, amongst a bunch of other reasons why we're filing for exemption.

Just wanted everyone to know that recall orders are being sent and the silent backdoor draft continues.

all army musters were finished in august for the last fiscal year. yes the backdoor draft continues and it will fail just like the pathetic war strategy bush is using.l

[aaaa]

im a 91wm6. i think it is a 68wm6 now. which is an lpn. but my orders just call me up as a combat medic with some national guard unit out of arkansas

[aaaa]

i know im not showing up, whether i get an exemption or they turn it down.

[sao feng]

i know im not showing up, whether i get an exemption or they turn it down.

well i cannot tell you what to do but you might want to see about the legal route first before you do anyhting rash. the exemption process does take a while so get a lawyer to help and have all of your records straight so the proper presentation of everything is in order. HRC is very picky from what i heard so getting counsel is a good way to go. best of luck to you!

[2YearsOrBust]

HRC is very picky about WHAT? So also, if you're saying you will just not show up, what do you mean by that? Dishonorable discharge? man. i think i'm going to go in april 2008, with my ets date may 2009. if i can play it safe in the IRR for 1 year, i should be gold. it just worries me people are STILL being mustered.

is it true all musters ended august 07?

[sao feng]

HRC is very picky about WHAT? So also, if you're saying you will just not show up, what do you mean by that? Dishonorable discharge? man. i think i'm going to go in april 2008, with my ets date may 2009. if i can play it safe in the IRR for 1 year, i should be gold. it just worries me people are STILL being mustered.

is it true all musters ended august 07?

the august muster was the last one for the 07 fiscal year.

[wulfbourne]

im a 91wm6. i think it is a 68wm6 now. which is an lpn. but my orders just call me up as a combat medic with some national guard unit out of arkansas

For those who got orders, how long did they give you before a report date? I'm wondering how far in advance they are giving orders.

[aaaa]

my orders were sent oct 15 and are to report on jan 8

[blah333]

HRC is very picky about WHAT? So also, if you're saying you will just not show up, what do you mean by that? Dishonorable discharge? man. i think i'm going to go in april 2008, with my ets date may 2009. if i can play it safe in the IRR for 1 year, i should be gold. it just worries me people are STILL being mustered.

is it true all musters ended august 07?

id go for the IRR in your case!!

maybe more muster stuff in ~aug or so 2008 but hey id go for the gold..

btw: in my long long long ago post i think you misunderstood..

i did not mean longevity in IRR i meant i spent 2 years in Iraq , one in OIF 1, and another in OIF 3....

yah im trying to ride out my time in the IRR.


I LOVE THE IRRR woohooooo

MY CLOCK IS TICKING DOWN BABY YAH.

tick tock... tick tock....

anywhoo... see you all in 2008 with the callup hahah :) yah i went to the muster...

ill take the MP over CA please. thankyou. dont wanna convoy. no thanks... did enough of that stuff...

well at least the army gives everyone a thanksgiving and xmas 1st.

oh and my wife and i just had a baby too..

so im crossing my fingers!!!

NO CALLUPS!!

:(

[twiceasoldier]

Welcome to the screwed up HRC of the Army. As a recalled soldier who just got done from a 22 month deployment (thanks to HRC) all i have to say is "Fire everyone who works for HRC, and the dept of the Army" IRR "or bastard children from the Army" as i learned is basically a screwed up program that the Army came up0 with, they started calling all these people and once they showed up, they had no clue what to do with them.

I showed up and got sent to Iraq with poor training since i got deployed with the 1 BCT 34th BDE "which is by far the worst brigade i have ever been" I spent six useless months in training at Camp Shelby, MS and then i got sent to Iraq to run RST and convoy security escort with no training. Now would i ever do it again? nope. Alot f people decided to show up and nothing happened to them, i lost 22 months out of my life, 22 months out of my kids, i am messed up, i can't understand my kids nor my family, and for what? for an unpopular war that it is taking us nowhere but inflation.

So if you are IRR and you get called in, don't even worry about it, because nothing is going to happen if you don't show up. Me? i was just that idiot who wanted to be "whoah" and wanted to find out what was Iraq like, but in the process i lost my family. The system is screwed up and basically no one knows how to deal with IRR problems, not even when it comes to awards, so until they fix it, it might probably work, in the meantime stay put and try to enjoy your life because it is not worth to go to country where everyone hates you.

SGT Rodriguez

[2YearsOrBust]

So if you're suggesting that we ignore orders we get in the IRR, then what does that officially mean? People who ignored mustered.....were you dishonorably discharged?

Also, to the last poster (twiceasoldier) what is your primary MOS? Mine is trans and i'm trying to conclude if they're still the primary targets for call-ups.

[1234]

Hello everyone,

I read some posts on here about people receiving orders for 25 days of "training" and possible deployment for no more than 400 days to Iraq. I was wondering if you are a person who received these orders could you post your MOS, time remaining in IRR, when you got out of army, report date on orders...etc.? I am trying to see if there is a pattern that the army is using. (i.e. MOS, people not getting orders if they have less than 1 year left on IRR).

I think you need to register to post but it only takes 1 minute to register and you can put false information in the registration area.

Please post as soon as possible.
Thank you!

[aaaa]

Hello everyone,

I read some posts on here about people receiving orders for 25 days of "training" and possible deployment for no more than 400 days to Iraq. I was wondering if you are a person who received these orders could you post your MOS, time remaining in IRR, when you got out of army, report date on orders...etc.? I am trying to see if there is a pattern that the army is using. (i.e. MOS, people not getting orders if they have less than 1 year left on IRR).

I think you need to register to post but it only takes 1 minute to register and you can put false information in the registration area.

Please post as soon as possible.
Thank you!


i got out because i was pregnant a year before my ets date. my mos is 68w6-lpn. so now i have about 3 and a half years left in the irr. like i said before, i recieved orders in oct and my report date is for january. i already applied for an exemption and now am just waiting to see what they say...........

[aaaa]

So if you're suggesting that we ignore orders we get in the IRR, then what does that officially mean? People who ignored mustered.....were you dishonorably discharged?

Also, to the last poster (twiceasoldier) what is your primary MOS? Mine is trans and i'm trying to conclude if they're still the primary targets for call-ups.

i dont think there is one primary target. my husband is being called up, also in january. i think they just need bodies

[ringjamesa]

i got out because i was pregnant a year before my ets date. my mos is 68w6-lpn. so now i have about 3 and a half years left in the irr. like i said before, i recieved orders in oct and my report date is for january. i already applied for an exemption and now am just waiting to see what they say...........

That makes absolutely no sense. If you didn't want to fulfil your IRR obligation, why didn't you just request discharge instead of release? So now, after you CHOSE to be in the IRR, you are refusing to honor the obligation you voluntarily incurred twice? I'm speechless. Most of the people on this forum signed up once and possibly weren't fully aware of the IRR obligation. You already completed 3 years and then voluntarily chose to retain your IRR obligation and now you have the audacity to complain?

[sao feng]

i dont think there is one primary target. my husband is being called up, also in january. i think they just need bodies

well from what i have seen from the last few posts that they are calling up some mp's and medics.

[wulfbourne]

That makes absolutely no sense. If you didn't want to fulfil your IRR obligation, why didn't you just request discharge instead of release? So now, after you CHOSE to be in the IRR, you are refusing to honor the obligation you voluntarily incurred twice? I'm speechless. Most of the people on this forum signed up once and possibly weren't fully aware of the IRR obligation. You already completed 3 years and then voluntarily chose to retain your IRR obligation and now you have the audacity to complain?

If you are in the army and get pregnant, unless you are still in training, they don't do discharges. I was in the reserve when I got pregnant and decided to 'get out'. The 'getting out' that they offer is into the IRR. All it means is that I don't have to go to drill once a month and 2 weeks a year anymore, but I can still be called up for deployments. You still have to serve out the remainder of your contract in the IRR. So yes, she did CHOSE to be in the IRR, but discharge was not an option.

edit: I found the regulation. AR 135-91
4–26. Enlisted soldiers
The following procedures apply when an enlisted woman becomes pregnant:

a. Before enlistment. A woman who is determined to have been pregnant when enlisted and whose pregnancy has
not been terminated will be involuntarily discharged. Discharge will be per AR 135–178 or NGR 600–200.

b. After enlistment but prior to entry on IADT.
(1) A woman who became pregnant after enlistment but before entry on IADT will not be involuntarily discharged
due to pregnancy. She will not be permitted to enter on IADT until pregnancy is no longer a factor. The soldier will be
told that she will be given the opportunity as she deems appropriate to—
(a) Request discharge (fig 4–4, option 2a). This is not an available option following delivery or termination of
pregnancy. It does not apply to women who incurred an AD service obligation due to participation in a federally
funded program. The latter will not be discharged solely on the basis of pregnancy. She will be delayed from entry on
IADT under (b) below.
(b) Delay IADT until the pregnancy is no longer a factor (fig 4–4, option 2b). The period of delay is set initially by
adding 6 weeks to the expected date of delivery. A woman who is delayed from entry on IADT may be granted
excused absence from unit training per paragraph 4–28c. The word “pregnancy” will be entered in the Remarks section
of DA Form 1379 (U.S. Army Reserve Component Unit Record of Reserve Training) when a woman is excused from
training for this reason. The notice of approved delay will tell the woman that on release from postnatal care, a
physician’s statement is required. The physician’s statement must show whether the soldier is physically able to enter
on IADT. (An ARNG unit commander may transfer a soldier to the Inactive National Guard (ING) during the prenatal
and postnatal periods (NGR 614–1) if determined more appropriate.)
(2) The woman will be allowed at least 7 days to consider the options in b(1) above. Then, at a time specified by
the unit commander, she will be required to elect one of the options.
(3) A copy of the signed statement of pregnancy counseling and a memorandum on election of options regarding
pregnancy (fig 4–6) will be filed in the enlisted woman’s MPRJ.

c. After IADT has been completed. A woman who becomes pregnant after completing IADT will be counseled using
the Pregnancy Counseling Checklist. She will be advised that she has the following options:
(1) Transfer/reassignment to the Retired Reserve (fig 4–4, option 2d) or to the Individual Ready Reserve (fig 4–4,
option 2g), if eligible.
(2) Transfer to the ING until pregnancy is no longer a factor (fig 4–4, option 2c).
(3) Continue membership in a unit and be granted maternity leave per paragraph 4–28 (fig 4–4, option 2e)


Active Duty women apparently can choose a discharge, just not women in the reserves. I found that in AR 635-200

[aaaa]

If you are in the army and get pregnant, unless you are still in training, they don't do discharges. I was in the reserve when I got pregnant and decided to 'get out'. The 'getting out' that they offer is into the IRR. All it means is that I don't have to go to drill once a month and 2 weeks a year anymore, but I can still be called up for deployments. You still have to serve out the remainder of your contract in the IRR. So yes, she did CHOSE to be in the IRR, but discharge was not an option.

THANK YOU!!!!!
some people need to check the regs before they go off on a tangent not knowing what they are talking about

[ringjamesa]

Actually, I do know what I am talking about. Read the last line in the post prior to yours. You did not specify your component.

[med]

For those of you that have been recalled or know someone who has, when you were on active duty or in the reserves did you ever deploy? I'm just wondering if they are calling up people who haven't deployed first, or if we are all fair game.

[1234]

That makes absolutely no sense. If you didn't want to fulfil your IRR obligation, why didn't you just request discharge instead of release? So now, after you CHOSE to be in the IRR, you are refusing to honor the obligation you voluntarily incurred twice? I'm speechless. Most of the people on this forum signed up once and possibly weren't fully aware of the IRR obligation. You already completed 3 years and then voluntarily chose to retain your IRR obligation and now you have the audacity to complain?

I dont know why people use this forum as a podium to preach about fullfilling your obligation, honor, blah blah blah...I only have 3 months left in the IRR and when I signed up for the army I knew about the 8 year obligation but I was told not to worry about the IRR time because it was only to be used incase of a world wide emergency (i.e. World War III). Since it seems that the army has lied a countless number of times to me throughout my 4 years of active service my honor and obligation to the army has run out. We are sending more and more troops into a pointless war with no end in sight. When I was deployed from Dec 2002 - Jan 2004 I thought I was doing something good for Iraq but as I look back I really dont see the point of the war and its obvious that the administration is thinking the same thing...

I was also wondering of those who received order for Jan 2008, did you attend the muster in July/August?

Thanks!

[Measure Man]

I only have 3 months left in the IRR and when I signed up for the army I knew about the 8 year obligation but I was told not to worry about the IRR time because it was only to be used incase of a world wide emergency (i.e. World War III).
Thanks!

...and don't worry about those mortgage payments tripling in 3 years on this adjustable mortgage...you can always just refinance at that time (if you qualify AND your house appreciates by 10%).

...you don't need to worry about the residual payment on this car lease...you can just turn the car in and owe nothing (if you drive less than 8,000 miles per year).

...and don't worry about the national debt...I promise to cut your taxes anyway (if elected for this term).

You have every right to complain, but the Army has every right to call you up. Good luck.

[1234]

...and don't worry about those mortgage payments tripling in 3 years on this adjustable mortgage...you can always just refinance at that time (if you qualify AND your house appreciates by 10%).

...you don't need to worry about the residual payment on this car lease...you can just turn the car in and owe nothing (if you drive less than 8,000 miles per year).

...and don't worry about the national debt...I promise to cut your taxes anyway (if elected for this term).

You have every right to complain, but the Army has every right to call you up. Good luck.

Yeah your right, the army does take care of you...? That is why they just release a report that 1 in 4 homeless people in the US are veterans!!!! What a bunch of crap...you fight their wars, get shot up and in return they sweep you under the rug like a piece of useless crap. Lets spend another 70 billion dollars on the war this year but do nothing for the veterns returning home with missing limbs and a broken home. The war is projected to cost 1.2 trillion dollars in the next years but the great president rejects a bill for childrens health because it is "too expensive." Does anyone else see that the US has it all wrong???

[Measure Man]

Yeah your right, the army does take care of you...? That is why they just release a report that 1 in 4 homeless people in the US are veterans!!!! What a bunch of crap...you fight their wars, get shot up and in return they sweep you under the rug like a piece of useless crap. Lets spend another 70 billion dollars on the war this year but do nothing for the veterns returning home with missing limbs and a broken home. The war is projected to cost 1.2 trillion dollars in the next years but the great president rejects a bill for childrens health because it is "too expensive." Does anyone else see that the US has it all wrong???

Did I say the Army will take care of you?

...doesn't matter if you served one year or 30 years...private or General...the day you hang up the uniform, they don't love you no mo'

[aaaa]

I dont know why people use this forum as a podium to preach about fullfilling your obligation, honor, blah blah blah...I only have 3 months left in the IRR and when I signed up for the army I knew about the 8 year obligation but I was told not to worry about the IRR time because it was only to be used incase of a world wide emergency (i.e. World War III). Since it seems that the army has lied a countless number of times to me throughout my 4 years of active service my honor and obligation to the army has run out. We are sending more and more troops into a pointless war with no end in sight. When I was deployed from Dec 2002 - Jan 2004 I thought I was doing something good for Iraq but as I look back I really dont see the point of the war and its obvious that the administration is thinking the same thing...

I was also wondering of those who received order for Jan 2008, did you attend the muster in July/August?

Thanks!
no i never attended any muster or got order for any muster. if you only have three months left im sure you have nothing to worry about!!

[anderson23]

[QUOTE=ringjamesa;59800]That makes absolutely no sense. If you didn't want to fulfil your IRR obligation, why didn't you just request discharge instead of release? So now, after you CHOSE to be in the IRR, you are refusing to honor the obligation you voluntarily incurred twice? I'm speechless. Most of the people on this forum signed up once and possibly weren't fully aware of the IRR obligation. You already completed 3 years and then voluntarily chose to retain your IRR obligation and now you have the audacity to complain?[/QUOTe
how do you know who MOST PEOPLE are? if you are SPEECHLESS, then quit talking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:eek:

[1234]

Hello everyone,

I also wanted to know if you received orders were you ever deployed before or would this be your first deployment? I am still tring to figure out if the is some sort of pattern to all this craziness or if the army is just picking namesout of a hat.

Thanks!

[sao feng]

Hello everyone,

I also wanted to know if you received orders were you ever deployed before or would this be your first deployment? I am still tring to figure out if the is some sort of pattern to all this craziness or if the army is just picking namesout of a hat.

Thanks!

it might be driven by MOS needs. the previous posts say that MP's and medics were getting called up. as far as this being there first deployment that you will have to ask them.

[1234]

**For the person who received the orders who has a newborn baby** Are you in the army or the marines? I read a similar story online about a marine mother being called up as well...

[ringjamesa]

I would just like to clarify some observations from this forum. Every branch of service is required to recall IRR members to a muster on an annual basis. Usually, they do use a modicum of logic and only send orders to members within a "reasonable" distance of a military installation of the same branch. From reading various posts, it doesn't seem that this is the major objection to the Army IRR recalls. The objection is to the fact that if you do show up the Army is apprently either notifying you of intent to recall you to AD or the Army attempting to coherse members who show up to "voluntarily" join a Reserve component or come back to AD. I see a lot of people objecting to the Muster in and of itself just to what seems to be happening to those who show up to the Muster that have an MOS that the Army is in desparate need of. Is this synopsis correct?

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Is this synopsis correct?As near as I can figure it out, yes.

On the other hand, going on what little knowledge I have of the laws and regulations governing the US military, I believe that the US Army doesn't have to go to all the bother of conducting an IRR "muster" but has the legal ability to simply send a uniformed representative of the American government to the door of a member of the IRR in order to deliver a letter along the lines of:

1. You have been recalled to active duty.

2. You are hereby ordered to accompany the bearer of this letter to your duty station.

3. Please turn off the stove and ensure that all water taps are closed before leaving.

4. You have 20 minutes to arrange any childcare required prior to your departure.

5. Welcome back to the wonderful world of the US military.

[ringjamesa]

As near as I can figure it out, yes.

On the other hand, going on what little knowledge I have of the laws and regulations governing the US military, I believe that the US Army doesn't have to go to all the bother of conducting an IRR "muster" but has the legal ability to simply send a uniformed representative of the American government to the door of a member of the IRR in order to deliver a letter along the lines of:

1. You have been recalled to active duty.

2. You are hereby ordered to accompany the bearer of this letter to your duty station.

3. Please turn off the stove and ensure that all water taps are closed before leaving.

4. You have 20 minutes to arrange any childcare required prior to your departure.

5. Welcome back to the wonderful world of the US military.

That is certianly true. They are under no obligation to have personnel muster prior to recalling them to AD. However, the purpose of the Muster-in theory is to verifiy that those in the IRR are still eligible for service. Of course if need be, the Army could just go door-to-door and recall everyone and then process them through say a MEPS or any MTF and let those deemed unfit go home and hand the rest a rifle. To the individual that said if you have 3 months left, you have nothing to worry about, you may want to read the second page of the DD 4 a little more closely. How much time you have left in the IRR has absolutely no bearing on you being subject to recall. Theoretically, they could come to your door on your last day in the IRR, recall you to AD and keep you on AD (stop-loss) until up to 6 months following the conclusion of the war or national emergency for which you were recalled (section 10 c).

[1234]

That is certianly true. They are under no obligation to have personnel muster prior to recalling them to AD. However, the purpose of the Muster-in theory is to verifiy that those in the IRR are still eligible for service. Of course if need be, the Army could just go door-to-door and recall everyone and then process them through say a MEPS or any MTF and let those deemed unfit go home and hand the rest a rifle. To the individual that said if you have 3 months left, you have nothing to worry about, you may want to read the second page of the DD 4 a little more closely. How much time you have left in the IRR has absolutely no bearing on you being subject to recall. Theoretically, they could come to your door on your last day in the IRR, recall you to AD and keep you on AD (stop-loss) until up to 6 months following the conclusion of the war or national emergency for which you were recalled (section 10 c).

I am the individual with 3 months left and I never said I wasn't worried about being called up. This is the army...I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to call me up after my 8 years is done. I am just counting down the days until my 3 months is up and I will "supposedly" be free from the army.

Thanks!

[sao feng]

I am the individual with 3 months left and I never said I wasn't worried about being called up. This is the army...I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to call me up after my 8 years is done. I am just counting down the days until my 3 months is up and I will "supposedly" be free from the army.

Thanks!

they probably won't call you back IMO. but you never know. they do shady things as we all know but some of the previous posters inquired abouth the musters. i went to mine in august. it was a six hour joke and they still screwed up my medical records on MEDPROS. go figure on that one!

[ringjamesa]

I am the individual with 3 months left and I never said I wasn't worried about being called up. This is the army...I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to call me up after my 8 years is done. I am just counting down the days until my 3 months is up and I will "supposedly" be free from the army.
!

My post wasn't directed at you. Post 1145 advised you that since you only have 3 months left not to worry. While I wouldn't worry too much......well you know. I just wanted to refute someone giving you bad advise. And after your IRR time is up, you will be free and clear. You should recieve actual discharge orders in the mail-may take a year but... They aren't really that important except perhaps for you peace of mind. They won't look like much. they will look more like a letter than actual orders but the key phrase will be that you are "honorably discharged." Good luck and I wish you the best.

[2YearsOrBust]

I dont understand too much of all the dialogue that has been going on here. I am requesting that people nix the bitching and moaning and stick to fact-based information. Several questions that has been posed by myself and others, and that STILL remain unaddressed:

1. Popular MOS (I know we're speculating MP's and Medics. Who else?)
2. How close are you to your ETS?
3. How long have you been in the IRR?
4. What's your component?
5. Will I be safe in the IRR for a year?
6. What if I get preggers?

[karas78]

Sheesh, they are still doing this? I was part of the recall in 2004 and it was one heck of a Charlie Foxtrot! I did what I was suppose to do and reported and even if the cadre did what they could to make sure we were ready the soldiers that reported sure didn't give a damn for sure.

Would like to hear about anyone that had been to Camp McCrady outside of Fort Jackson and if things are still pretty rough when it comes to making sure records are up to date, medical issues are fixed and the recalled troops have decided to behave or still f**k up all the time.

[ElleTee]

25C Radio Op. (why are they sending me, I've heard for years they were phasing us out?)
Feb 2009-ETS
Been in IRR since Feb 2007
Served 6 years ntl guard

Safe? That's relative. I think it's common sense that they call up high priority mos ie infantry, medic, mp. obviously higher chances of getting plucked from irr if you are one of those, but in my case i don't think 25c are all that high priority, prolly just filling one empty slot. so, either way there is a chance. Is anyone else's orders say to report to Jackson/McCrady 6 Jan?

[anderson23]

My post wasn't directed at you. Post 1145 advised you that since you only have 3 months left not to worry. While I wouldn't worry too much......well you know. I just wanted to refute someone giving you bad advise. And after your IRR time is up, you will be free and clear. You should recieve actual discharge orders in the mail-may take a year but... They aren't really that important except perhaps for you peace of mind. They won't look like much. they will look more like a letter than actual orders but the key phrase will be that you are "honorably discharged." Good luck and I wish you the best.

its advice not advise. learn how to spell. someone was trying to say there wasnt much to worry about. you are just picking every thing apart. anyway, arent you air force and if you get deployed its for 30 days and you stay in a hotel. you probably even have room service

[ringjamesa]

Shows how much you know. The AF doesn't deploy for 30 days (except possibly the Guard). They are 4-12 month deployments. If we have hotels in Kirkuk and Bagdad that are so nice, why are you complaining that you might deploy?

[ALPHA101]

25C Radio Op. (why are they sending me, I've heard for years they were phasing us out?)
Feb 2009-ETS
Been in IRR since Feb 2007
Served 6 years ntl guard

Safe? That's relative. I think it's common sense that they call up high priority mos ie infantry, medic, mp. obviously higher chances of getting plucked from irr if you are one of those, but in my case i don't think 25c are all that high priority, prolly just filling one empty slot. so, either way there is a chance. Is anyone else's orders say to report to Jackson/McCrady 6 Jan?

it sounds like they might try to reclass you the 25 series are usually filled from what i see so that maybe what they are gonna do:eek:

[ALPHA101]

Sheesh, they are still doing this? I was part of the recall in 2004 and it was one heck of a Charlie Foxtrot! I did what I was suppose to do and reported and even if the cadre did what they could to make sure we were ready the soldiers that reported sure didn't give a damn for sure.

Would like to hear about anyone that had been to Camp McCrady outside of Fort Jackson and if things are still pretty rough when it comes to making sure records are up to date, medical issues are fixed and the recalled troops have decided to behave or still f**k up all the time.

they will never get the records straight. not until they read them and put the info in correctly. i went to the muster a few months back and they totally messed up my medical on AKO. they do not seem to bright. has anyone else had this problem?

[1234]

25C Radio Op. (why are they sending me, I've heard for years they were phasing us out?)
Feb 2009-ETS
Been in IRR since Feb 2007
Served 6 years ntl guard

Safe? That's relative. I think it's common sense that they call up high priority mos ie infantry, medic, mp. obviously higher chances of getting plucked from irr if you are one of those, but in my case i don't think 25c are all that high priority, prolly just filling one empty slot. so, either way there is a chance. Is anyone else's orders say to report to Jackson/McCrady 6 Jan?


Did you attend the muster in July/August? When did you receive your orders?

[1234]

What is with the lack of posts? Any new news on call ups anybody?

[ALPHA101]

What is with the lack of posts? Any new news on call ups anybody?


i have not heard anything. all i can tell you is that it is gonna get interesting with all of the units in europe getting alerted, the elections and such, but i have not heard anything about call-ups. how about you?

[astcell]

They are re-vamping the IRR. They want folks in it to really be ready to go.

[ALPHA101]

They are re-vamping the IRR. They want folks in it to really be ready to go.

they really should have no need to re-vamp it if they would have kept up on it to begin with. but the people in the IRR are to blame just as much seeing they did not update there records so the blame goes all the way around. the musters just shocked alot of people even though it states on the dd214 that one is subject to it. but what i cannot figure out is when i went to the muster i had all my current medical files copied for them and they said they did not want them. i even had my mental health records etc. and i saw the full bird colonel about all of this so why not take the records? but they even screwed up my medpros on AKO so i guess they have yet to figure it out themselves. best of luck to all and have a safe and happy holiday season.

[BNDUECE]

Like many I have an opinion on this. I'm a drilling reservist who is gettin ready to do my second tour and we are being plussed up with a number of IRR soldiers. What really tears me up are the Guard full timers like one LT at JFHQ who has avoided any deployments will soon be promoted ahead of a fellow officer who has gone to Iraq and was commissioned the same day she was and did I mention she (the first LT) has been seen numerous time around town with an O-5 (p) at JFHQ (And yes they were very much enjoying each others company) . We have plenty of slick sleeves drawing a check. They should be going before the IRR troops. Just my 2 cents:mad:

[ALPHA101]

Like many I have an opinion on this. I'm a drilling reservist who is gettin ready to do my second tour and we are being plussed up with a number of IRR soldiers. What really tears me up are the Guard full timers like one LT at JFHQ who has avoided any deployments will soon be promoted ahead of a fellow officer who has gone to Iraq and was commissioned the same day she was and did I mention she (the first LT) has been seen numerous time around town with an O-5 (p) at JFHQ (And yes they were very much enjoying each others company) . We have plenty of slick sleeves drawing a check. They should be going before the IRR troops. Just my 2 cents:mad:

you think that is bad you should try being stationed in the military district of washington d.c. i went from a unit in germany that deployed twice and when i got here i learned that no one deploys from this area. all people here do is get up, go to p.t., show up for first formation and then go back to there house or barracks room and hide so no one will find them or they come up with a great excuse to screw the soldier next to them! it was the longest year and a half of my life. i am glad i got out after seeing this crap and getting screwed so many times that i just did not care about anything anymore! it is a shame the army treats people this way.

[lmcleod]

Hello Everyone

I just received order to report to ft.Jackson SC on January 20. I dont want to drop everything to go there and nothing happens. I am in school and I am starting a new job on January 2. I am scared to tell the job that I have to report on the 20. I would not even have been there 30 days . I dont want to go to Iraq and I dont have any major health issue that they would not send me. I dont know what to do.

My questions are:

What will happen if I dont show up?

What will happen if I find some kind of medical problem and have my doctor write a note and then I send it in by applying for an elimination packet?

What does UMCJ Action mean?

What will happen if these action are placed against me?

I am in the IRR It expires 2009, I have never been to Iraq, my mos is petroleum lab specialist,


What should I do?????????

[2YearsOrBust]

Hmm, petroleum specialist. ODD.

Well I know that in the IRR, as oppossed to being a tpu soldier, there is an appeals process. A very very lengthy one. So if nothing else, you could apply for an exemption as a HARDSHIP. Many people have played the school card or even the new job card, so its possible. I personally dont know how stringent they're being with the approval process, but its worth a shot. By the time they get back to you, your unit may already be gone.

How long have you actually been in the IRR?

Are they muster orders? Or are you being involuntarily transfered to another petroleum unit?

also, what city are you in? it may depend based on what your resources are....(ie, if you are in dc or not)

[lmcleod]

I dont know what muster order are????? The orders can in the mail uncertified !!! So I can very well say that I never got them.

The order just say that I have to report on Jan 20 at Ft Jackson.

I am just going to do what you said and use the new job and school card and hopefully nothing will happen.

It is not like it is not true.

I think I have been in the irr since May; I stop going to drill late last year when my unit deployed I never when back and I receive a letter in the mail saying that I was in the IRR.

I start my job on Jan 2 so if I tell the job that I have to leave on the 20th that maybe a big problem and this is a good job with excellent benefit and I dont want to lost it. I dont think that it is worth going down there and possibly losing a good job for them to send me back home in a month because they dont need me or I dont meet the requirments.

Is there a certain way to write the eliminate request??????

[lmcleod]

oh I am in the maryland area !!!!

[2YearsOrBust]

I start my job on Jan 2 so if I tell the job that I have to leave on the 20th that maybe a big problem and this is a good job with excellent benefit and I dont want to lost it. I dont think that it is worth going down there and possibly losing a good job for them to send me back home in a month because they dont need me or I dont meet the requirments.

Is there a certain way to write the eliminate request??????

Well you don't have to sell me about going over there, i understand your predicament. But just make sure when you appeal your case, you proofread for errors. Because wow.

And i have no idea what your last question means. Any type of appeals will go through HRC St. Louis...home of the IRR.

[ALPHA101]

Well you don't have to sell me about going over there, i understand your predicament. But just make sure when you appeal your case, you proofread for errors. Because wow.

And i have no idea what your last question means. Any type of appeals will go through HRC St. Louis...home of the IRR.

i find it kind of wierd that they are sending out orders that are not certified or soemthing along those lines. are they expecting people not to show up or something? it seems they are only going to take whoever will show up. also, a couple of posts back there was a law firm listed that handled exemptions and stuff so you might want to look into that as well.

http://www.meililaw.com/index.asp?f=

[2YearsOrBust]

I mean sure if you want to get embroiled in a lengthy, costly lawsuit that you probably won't win.

[ALPHA101]

I mean sure if you want to get embroiled in a lengthy, costly lawsuit that you probably won't win.

i don't think a lawsuit would be advisable but this law firm can help with the paperwork so the army won't screw you at the end of the process by saying "oh you never submitted that". I also was reading the army times at the office the other day (we have it sent there) and the reason why they called back petro specialist is because of shortages. it is on page 12 of the current issue.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

I also was reading the army times at the office the other day (we have it sent there) and the reason why they called back petro specialist is because of shortages. it is on page 12 of the current issue.Shortages???

My God how could there be a shortage for a "specialist" (a 77F) where the pass rate for the course is 99.5% and the duties “receives and stores bulk and package POL products; issues and dispenses bulk fuels and water from storage and distribution facilities to units; selects and submits samples of POL to laboratory for testing; performs petroleum and water accounting duties; operates equipment associated with petroleum and water distribution system and multi-product pipeline system; fuels and de-fuels vehicles, aircraft, and stationary equipment; takes emergency precautions to prevent harm to self and facilities in event of petroleum spillage or fire.” (http://www.hqda.army.mil/ari/wordfiles/SN_2005-01.doc) read like "Wanted Junior Attendant for Full Service Gas Station - MUST be able to RELIABLY (min. three successes out of five tries) walk and chew gum at the same time"?

[ALPHA101]

Shortages???

My God how could there be a shortage for a "specialist" (a 77F) where the pass rate for the course is 99.5% and the duties “receives and stores bulk and package POL products; issues and dispenses bulk fuels and water from storage and distribution facilities to units; selects and submits samples of POL to laboratory for testing; performs petroleum and water accounting duties; operates equipment associated with petroleum and water distribution system and multi-product pipeline system; fuels and de-fuels vehicles, aircraft, and stationary equipment; takes emergency precautions to prevent harm to self and facilities in event of petroleum spillage or fire.” (http://www.hqda.army.mil/ari/wordfiles/SN_2005-01.doc) read like "Wanted Junior Attendant for Full Service Gas Station - MUST be able to RELIABLY (min. three successes out of five tries) walk and chew gum at the same time"?

i really don't know how there could be shortages. i was just saying what was in print my friend. sorry to tick you off.

[mosaic17]

I too just got orders on 18 Dec 07 to report to Ft. Benning for Involuntary Active Duty by 10 Feb 2008. I was assigned to a National Guard MP unit The orders came priority mail but were not certified...it was a huge packet of information. I was an active duty MP from 2002 to 2004 and got out of the army due to my pregnancy. Right now, I'm sending in an exemption packet because I am in grad. school and a single parent causing personal hardship if I were to leave my daughter.

However, I'm struggling a little bit with all of this because although my main priority is my daughter I still feel loyal and a sense of duty to the army. I know, it sounds like brainwashing but there is that sense of guilt for filing exemption paperwork. But in the end, my daugher is the most important thing.

The paperwork states that we only have 14 days from the time that you contact HRC to send in your exemption paperwork. At that point, your case will be open and you will not be required to report by the date that you gave. Then it's just a waiting game to see what there answer is. So, does anyone have any idea what my chances are for getting an exemption due to lack of a family care plan? I know that I can definetly get a delay due to my higher education. Also, if I do get an exemtion because of my single parent status, will I be fully and honorably discharged? Thanks.

FYI: Check out Army Regulation 601-25 for a list of exemptions and how to go about filing for one.

[2YearsOrBust]

More importantly, what is your MOS and HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE IRR?????

[ALPHA101]

I too just got orders on 18 Dec 07 to report to Ft. Benning for Involuntary Active Duty by 10 Feb 2008. I was assigned to a National Guard MP unit The orders came priority mail but were not certified...it was a huge packet of information. I was an active duty MP from 2002 to 2004 and got out of the army due to my pregnancy. Right now, I'm sending in an exemption packet because I am in grad. school and a single parent causing personal hardship if I were to leave my daughter.

However, I'm struggling a little bit with all of this because although my main priority is my daughter I still feel loyal and a sense of duty to the army. I know, it sounds like brainwashing but there is that sense of guilt for filing exemption paperwork. But in the end, my daugher is the most important thing.

The paperwork states that we only have 14 days from the time that you contact HRC to send in your exemption paperwork. At that point, your case will be open and you will not be required to report by the date that you gave. Then it's just a waiting game to see what there answer is. So, does anyone have any idea what my chances are for getting an exemption due to lack of a family care plan? I know that I can definetly get a delay due to my higher education. Also, if I do get an exemtion because of my single parent status, will I be fully and honorably discharged? Thanks.

FYI: Check out Army Regulation 601-25 for a list of exemptions and how to go about filing for one.

i would have to say they probably would just let you go. your situation seems to be one the army does not want. personally i think this is all some kind of screening process. they call anyone and everyone and just weed cetrtain ones out and say to the others....off to the sandbox! your MOS is another thing as well. i think they are having trouble finding new recruits to sign up for that job. i still find it kind of odd they are sending these orders priority mail. did you have to sign for it? anyways i hope you get your exemption and best of luck to you and your daughter!

[mosaic17]

Not sure if you were asking me or not but I'll answer you just in case. My MOS is 31B (MP) and I've been in the IRR for 3 years and have until 2010 until I am done. Again, the packet came priority mail and I did NOT have to sign for it.

Also, I just wanted to add, that I attended the muster duty during the summer 2007. The SFC I had to meet with wasn't there so I just submitted my paperwork and took off. See what happened though? Now I've got orders to basically deploy.

[ALPHA101]

Not sure if you were asking me or not but I'll answer you just in case. My MOS is 31B (MP) and I've been in the IRR for 3 years and have until 2010 until I am done. Again, the packet came priority mail and I did NOT have to sign for it.

Also, I just wanted to add, that I attended the muster duty during the summer 2007. The SFC I had to meet with wasn't there so I just submitted my paperwork and took off. See what happened though? Now I've got orders to basically deploy.

Well being an MP has alot to do with it and it sounds like you got out before your original contract( time on active duty ) was up. The SFC had no intention of showing anyways because a seperate group of people were handling the musters and they did all of the traveling etc. I think if you submit your exemption stuff that you will not have to go. do not accept the family care plan. it is still odd they sent that stuff just through the mail like that. either they are getting cheap or like i said earlier they are just seeing who shows up. the national guard and reserves are short from what the army times said.

[2YearsOrBust]

Not sure if you were asking me or not but I'll answer you just in case. My MOS is 31B (MP) and I've been in the IRR for 3 years and have until 2010 until I am done. Again, the packet came priority mail and I did NOT have to sign for it.

Also, I just wanted to add, that I attended the muster duty during the summer 2007. The SFC I had to meet with wasn't there so I just submitted my paperwork and took off. See what happened though? Now I've got orders to basically deploy.

But I dont see what your point is. "See what happened though?" No. What are you saying, had you not attended the muster then you don't think you would have gotten deployment orders? I'm confused about your point.

[mosaic17]

But I dont see what your point is. "See what happened though?" No. What are you saying, had you not attended the muster then you don't think you would have gotten deployment orders? I'm confused about your point.

I probably would have gotten orders either way. Maybe it would have taken a little longer had I not gone to the muster. Maybe not. The muster duty allowed HRC to have all my latest and up-to-date information. It was just a blanket statement made out of frustration for getting mobilization orders.

From reading posts and doing research on IRR recalls, I've noticed it's all pretty random, whether or not one attended the muster duty or not. I've noticed that people are reacting to the orders very differently. Some show up for duty, others file exemptions and delays, and still others don't show at all. I wish I could read the mind of HRC and figure out exactly what it is they expect from people. One person gave advice to not show up and take an OTH discharge. Honestly, I don't want anything other then an "Honorable Discharge".

Either way, I think people should take the orders seriously, whether through certified mail or not. This is our lives that we're talking about, whatever your choice may be.

[2YearsOrBust]

I guess.

And just so I'm straight here, you had been in the IRR for 3 years and had never gotten deployed to the big I, correct?

[astcell]

For those who got orders, how long did they give you before a report date? I'm wondering how far in advance they are giving orders.

About 30 days. But you can call and ask for an extension, they may add another 90 days on the spot for you. I fought mine big time. Got my orders in March 2005 to deploy April. They extended me to July, them September, then December. At that point they had me, I lost all appeals. That was December 2005. I am still in.



Also, to the last poster (twiceasoldier) what is your primary MOS? Mine is trans and i'm trying to conclude if they're still the primary targets for call-ups.

Everyone called up with me was E-5 or greater and went to CA school. MOS will not matter, they will reclass you. They will also give you a stripe if they can and you qualify.


For those of you that have been recalled or know someone who has, when you were on active duty or in the reserves did you ever deploy? I'm just wondering if they are calling up people who haven't deployed first, or if we are all fair game.

I went IRR in January 1998 and deployed in December 2005.



I also wanted to know if you received orders were you ever deployed before or would this be your first deployment? I am still trying to figure out if the is some sort of pattern to all this craziness or if the army is just picking names out of a hat.
Thanks!

You got that right. It is picking names out of a hat. The Army wants 1,000 people, they send out 3,000 requests and hope to get 1,000 deployable bodies out of that. You were chosen by a computer, no one read your file. Sorry. While I was processing I fond out they had way too any bodies who reported. send the last bunch home? "Nah, we'll keep them." was the reply. I was there. It is like if you buy an extra box of soap powder at the store, you just buy it, what the hell, you can use it.



it might be driven by MOS needs. the previous posts say that MP's and medics were getting called up. as far as this being there first deployment that you will have to ask them.

Everyone in my group was reclassed to Civil Affairs. Except me, since I am already CA.



I dont understand too much of all the dialogue that has been going on here. I am requesting that people nix the bitching and moaning and stick to fact-based information. Several questions that has been posed by myself and others, and that STILL remain unaddressed:

1. Popular MOS (I know we're speculating MP's and Medics. Who else?)
2. How close are you to your ETS?
3. How long have you been in the IRR?
4. What's your component?
5. Will I be safe in the IRR for a year?
6. What if I get preggers?

1. CA for E-5 and up, 11B for E-4 and below. And if you are not that MOS they will reclass you.
2. One guy called up had 2 weeks to ETS. Welcome to stop-loss.
3. Irrelevant. One guy who showed up was IRR since he got off active duty in 1973. Yes, 1973. That was one old E-5. His uniform had black nametapes with yellow writing.
4. Irrelevant. IRR is after names. Don't think weighing 400 lbs will stop them from calling you either.
5. One of my buddies took the early out (VSOP) and went IRR to get $ every year. He was KIA.
6. I suppose they can mskeyoua71L for your entire tour.



What is with the lack of posts? Any new news on call ups anybody?

Folks need to register to post now. Folks are accountable for what they say. No more anonymity.



Hello Everyone
I just received order to report to ft.Jackson SC on January 20. I dont want to drop everything to go there and nothing happens. I am in school and I am starting a new job on January 2. I am scared to tell the job that I have to report on the 20. I would not even have been there 30 days . I dont want to go to Iraq and I dont have any major health issue that they would not send me. I dont know what to do.
My questions are:
What will happen if I dont show up?
What will happen if I find some kind of medical problem and have my doctor write a note and then I send it in by applying for an elimination packet?
What does UMCJ Action mean?
What will happen if these action are placed against me?
I am in the IRR It expires 2009, I have never been to Iraq, my mos is petroleum lab specialist,
What should I do?????????

Wow so they are still calling IRR like they did for me in 2005. Wow. If you apply for a deferment they can cut you some slack. Some they can do on the spot, other stuff takes a higher up decision.

They asked us if we wanted to go to Iraq or Afghanistan. Some wish list.

Don't show up and they send nasty letters. First class mail is a legal notification.

Some of my buddies called up were sent home for medical reasons. The Army docs want to be the ones to verify that you are unable to go. Even if you are missing a hand.

UCMJ Action = Article 15 or more. Do you plan to use your military service on a resume?

What to do... well if you join a unit that may defer you. Unless the unit deploys.



...So, does anyone have any idea what my chances are for getting an exemption due to lack of a family care plan? I know that I can definetly get a delay due to my higher education. Also, if I do get an exemtion because of my single parent status, will I be fully and honorably discharged? Thanks.
FYI: Check out Army Regulation 601-25 for a list of exemptions and how to go about filing for one.

Do you have a living parent? If so, that's the family care plan issues off the table. But try anyway.



More importantly, what is your MOS and HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN IN THE IRR?????

Not relevant to call-ups.


... Also, I just wanted to add, that I attended the muster duty during the summer 2007. The SFC I had to meet with wasn't there so I just submitted my paperwork and took off. See what happened though? Now I've got orders to basically deploy.

You would likely have been called even if you did not muster.

Well I can see I need to read this board more often! It is sad that the IRR is not communicating better with folks. All these question here I had asked too, and now with 2 years mobilization under my belt, 6 months left,and likely another 365 after that, I am becoming quite knowledgeable on what they should have told me.

In my mob group, four people were KIA. One was 53/F E7, and one was 56/M E6. The other two were an O3 and E6. This is real world my friends.

I'll try to get here more often but you can reach me at astcell dot com if you wanna talk army stuff. I'm not a lawyer, a recruiter or a St Louis rep. I'm just a mobilized soldier.

[ALPHA101]

sorry buddy but first class mail is not legal notification and i would like to see an explanation as to why you say it is. if it is not sent requiring a signature then how do they know one received it? plus, i know a DA civilian who got muster orders did not even report and got nothing in the mail otherwise. so if you are going to post here back it up with credited information not barracks lawyer stuff.

[astcell]

To use your logic: If you car payment bill arrives by first class mail, you can ignore it and not pay for the car, right? After all, you did not sign for it. They do not know that you got the bill, right?

All you will do is make them less willing to work with you. As IRR you are ***required*** to give them a good address and phone number. So, ignore it at your peril. Closing your eyes, plugging your ears and going BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH will not get you out of a deployment. Are you going to wait until they do want registered letters? Fine, now you have registered letters going back and forth. How does that solve things? Maybe it delays your deployment by a month and costs you $40 in mailing fees.

Another argument: You send in your valid exemption request. But it is not sent registered! They can say they never got it! You're deployed now!

And "legally speaking" they can haul you back in for the remainder of your contract, not just the mob period. So before you start waving the technicality flag, it works both ways.

And I think the advice of "You did not sign for it, so technically you did not get it, so ignore it" is what the barracks lawyers say.

[ALPHA101]

To use your logic: If you car payment bill arrives by first class mail, you can ignore it and not pay for the car, right? After all, you did not sign for it. They do not know that you got the bill, right?

All you will do is make them less willing to work with you. As IRR you are ***required*** to give them a good address and phone number. So, ignore it at your peril. Closing your eyes, plugging your ears and going BLAHBLAHBLAHBLAH will not get you out of a deployment. Are you going to wait until they do want registered letters? Fine, now you have registered letters going back and forth. How does that solve things? Maybe it delays your deployment by a month and costs you $40 in mailing fees.

Another argument: You send in your valid exemption request. But it is not sent registered! They can say they never got it! You're deployed now!

And "legally speaking" they can haul you back in for the remainder of your contract, not just the mob period. So before you start waving the technicality flag, it works both ways.

And I think the advice of "You did not sign for it, so technically you did not get it, so ignore it" is what the barracks lawyers say.

nice try but you still did not prove your point. unless i get a letter i have to sign for i will not accept any orders period. as for your argument about your exemption paperwork if you are stupid enough to trust the army without making them sign for it go right ahead it is your life and it is your stupidity so i will enjoy my GS job here, toy with your deployments, then close my eyes and plug my ears to your tears and crying while i have my feet up so good luck to ya.....after all it is your deployment!

[astcell]

Let's play with the argument "I never got the letter." Here is what will happen.

You get an envelope saying orders are enroute,standby to standby.
You got a mob packet with lots of forms to fill out, as a courtesy.
You get orders. Use this and the info in the mob packet to get a plane ticket.

Now, you do not report.

This is where the fun starts. Logon to the HRC web page and check your status. It will say AWOL.
Unless you have a TS clearance. Then it says DESERTER. Folks with TS do not get the 30 days of AWOL as a courtesy.

Oh, don't get a traffic ticket after this point. If you get pulled over you are getting hauled in. And if you try to say you never got a letter, you have to tell it to a federal judge, not a traffic cop.

You will get more letters,and they will be registered. Now you have to pretend you didn't get those either or else you will not be able explain not getting the first one. Well, you can say the dog ate it.

The ball is in your court now. Odds are you will call the IRR and beg for them to clear you.

-----
How do I know all this? I was given a new report date and told not to report, by phone. I checked online and oops! Status change! I called the IRR, they admitted they were just slow with their paperwork, they know I am not a deserter, it will be fixed in 30 days, but in the meantime they said try not to get pulled over.

[ALPHA101]

Let's play with the argument "I never got the letter." Here is what will happen.

You get an envelope saying orders are enroute,standby to standby.
You got a mob packet with lots of forms to fill out, as a courtesy.
You get orders. Use this and the info in the mob packet to get a plane ticket.

Now, you do not report.

This is where the fun starts. Logon to the HRC web page and check your status. It will say AWOL.
Unless you have a TS clearance. Then it says DESERTER. Folks with TS do not get the 30 days of AWOL as a courtesy.

Oh, don't get a traffic ticket after this point. If you get pulled over you are getting hauled in. And if you try to say you never got a letter, you have to tell it to a federal judge, not a traffic cop.

You will get more letters,and they will be registered. Now you have to pretend you didn't get those either or else you will not be able explain not getting the first one. Well, you can say the dog ate it.

The ball is in your court now. Odds are you will call the IRR and beg for them to clear you.

-----
How do I know all this? I was given a new report date and told not to report, by phone. I checked online and oops! Status change! I called the IRR, they admitted they were just slow with their paperwork, they know I am not a deserter, it will be fixed in 30 days, but in the meantime they said try not to get pulled over.

can't say never got a letter because it did not require a signature. sorry to disappoint you! anyways the barracks lawyers at HRC are getting better at this. i was expecting you to let us all down but you seem to have your story straight. now if you can read it correctly from the scritp when someone calls you would be a hell of a colonel!

[astcell]

I have never been to HRC but I know folks who work there. I have just learned a few things in 27 years of service.

[astcell]

Alpha101,

I like to think we are on the same side here. To inform soldier who get called up of our experiences. From what I see of your posts here, you went to a muster, it was a cluster, yet you have not been called up.

Sounds like you know about the musters. I never went to one. Sounds like you never got a mob letter either. And I think if someone does not show up,gets in trouble and then they say "But Alpha101 told me I didn't have to go!" ...well, I think they are on their own. I don't think you would stand behind your words. Nor should you. Every troop is responsible for themselves.

I tried to fight the mob and lost. It cost me my marriage. But I keep my retirement. TO ALL: If you want to fight the call-up, the Army tells you how in the packet. If that doesn't work look into legalities. You need a lawyer for that. That is beyond the scope of this room.

One guy pointed his M4 at the CO, got a section 8. Not the best way to get out! :-)

Happy New Year.

[ALPHA101]

Alpha101,

I like to think we are on the same side here. To inform soldier who get called up of our experiences. From what I see of your posts here, you went to a muster, it was a cluster, yet you have not been called up.

Sounds like you know about the musters. I never went to one. Sounds like you never got a mob letter either. And I think if someone does not show up,gets in trouble and then they say "But Alpha101 told me I didn't have to go!" ...well, I think they are on their own. I don't think you would stand behind your words. Nor should you. Every troop is responsible for themselves.

I tried to fight the mob and lost. It cost me my marriage. But I keep my retirement. TO ALL: If you want to fight the call-up, the Army tells you how in the packet. If that doesn't work look into legalities. You need a lawyer for that. That is beyond the scope of this room.

One guy pointed his M4 at the CO, got a section 8. Not the best way to get out! :-)

Happy New Year.

i just tried to do the right thing i guess. i went to the muster basically to have my medical records updated but they never accepted the records i copied for them. then i saw a full bird who gave me 3's and 4's in my profile for the degenerative joint disease i developed in the army. i can't even run anymore which sucks! anyways, the muster was messed up but i tried to keep cool about it unlike alot of other people who flipped but that comes with the territory. no, i have not been called up but did two tours before the army said see ya.

as far as orders go they should send them certified. just to cover there butts when they send them out. it may be pricey but it cannot be as pricey as needing 1000 soldiers, getting 3000 and not knowing what to do with them. i sent all of my stuff even to VA signature required. it puts pressure on them because you can claim that they accepted it when you receive the notice in your mailbox. you know how it goes! later bro!

p.s. - the M4 thing not good that is jail time if you ask me.

[2YearsOrBust]

A few things.....

First, can we PLEASE stop using a lot of jargon and acronyms. astcell and Alpha101, you guys both have good points and credibility, but I couldn't for the life of me understand what either you guys were saying half the time. So let's break it down (coming from a technical writer's perspective:)

-Ast cell, what is this "deferment" you speak of? I'm afraid we may be getting our terms mixed up. At one point you mentioned it like it was some sort of status you could be in while in a TPU/unit (most likely as a Reservist?). Then at another point, you made it seem as though it could be synonymous with an "appeal" or a "delay". So what IS a deferment and how would you potentially go about filing one upon recieving mobe orders?

-There's also much talk of these musters. Alpha, you have said you actually showed up to yours and for whatever reason, YOU were not picked off after updating your records. But astcell, you have said whether you go or don't go doesn't matter because "they will find you". Except, will they? If I'm hearing correct, alpha mentioned that the extra 2,000 people that showed were simply thrown in the barrel along with the required 1,000 people just for being there. Obviously sounds like the Army. But if we're saying "muster call-ups" are not ORDERS, then who gives a shit if I show up? I usually do the right thing too, but I'm not getting collected up just because I'm there.

-I HEAR what everyone is saying about ignoring/not ignoring official orders; I got that. But I'm talking about ignoring muster "orders", or whatever they are. Astcell, did you receive muster "orders" and if so, did you ditch them? I want to make sure that if I receive "muster orders" I know what my options are at that point to begin taking action (do i start the appeals? do i start seeing doctors about my back for medical records? do i call hrc?)

-Finally, astcell, it sounds like you have undergone some obvious hardships because of this deployment, that is clear to see. But I just want to make sure your prudence in judgment calls does not effect our due diligence in preparing for OUR possible future call-up. I am trying to do my homework now on all of this so that I will be ready should i get orders or even a muster call-up, but I want to make sure that the information we are sharing with each other is not overly-conservative/unnecessarily cautious just for the sake of being so (or perhaps bitterness?). My only analogy for what I'm trying to say is if an ex-con was highly injured from a defective, negligent window while burglarizing a home, TECHNICALLY (and legally) he could sue the homeowner for a tort against liability of improper care and maintenance to possible third parties and the window manufacturer for breach of warranty in a defective product. But any reasonable, credible judge will throw his lawsuit out the window based on AUDACITY alone. I like to live my life by statistics and probabilities (as dorky as that sounds), so tell us things that are actually happening NOW (in 2007/2008) and will most likely happen, not will POSSIBLY happen. If we play that game, we will be here all day.

-I know I joined the Army and have a duty and bla bla bla, but frankly i've payed that duty with almost a 2 year tour that set me back hardcore in life. I know you are going through your own battles, but try not to poo poo on all of our attempts at research because you drew a bad straw of luck. And I'm not trying to be insensitive, I just want to make sure we're all looking out for each other. If you can save one of us, then that's one less person the Army will have f'd over.

Alpha101-you mentioned you had Degenerative Disc disease...i have that as well, however, mine may (OR MAY NOT) be hereditary. How was your case of it able to prevent you/flag your medical files into not being mobed?

[ALPHA101]

A few things.....

First, can we PLEASE stop using a lot of jargon and acronyms. astcell and Alpha101, you guys both have good points and credibility, but I couldn't for the life of me understand what either you guys were saying half the time. So let's break it down (coming from a technical writer's perspective:)

-Ast cell, what is this "deferment" you speak of? I'm afraid we may be getting our terms mixed up. At one point you mentioned it like it was some sort of status you could be in while in a TPU/unit (most likely as a Reservist?). Then at another point, you made it seem as though it could be synonymous with an "appeal" or a "delay". So what IS a deferment and how would you potentially go about filing one upon recieving mobe orders?

-There's also much talk of these musters. Alpha, you have said you actually showed up to yours and for whatever reason, YOU were not picked off after updating your records. But astcell, you have said whether you go or don't go doesn't matter because "they will find you". Except, will they? If I'm hearing correct, alpha mentioned that the extra 2,000 people that showed were simply thrown in the barrel along with the required 1,000 people just for being there. Obviously sounds like the Army. But if we're saying "muster call-ups" are not ORDERS, then who gives a shit if I show up? I usually do the right thing too, but I'm not getting collected up just because I'm there.

-I HEAR what everyone is saying about ignoring/not ignoring official orders; I got that. But I'm talking about ignoring muster "orders", or whatever they are. Astcell, did you receive muster "orders" and if so, did you ditch them? I want to make sure that if I receive "muster orders" I know what my options are at that point to begin taking action (do i start the appeals? do i start seeing doctors about my back for medical records? do i call hrc?)

-Finally, astcell, it sounds like you have undergone some obvious hardships because of this deployment, that is clear to see. But I just want to make sure your prudence in judgment calls does not effect our due diligence in preparing for OUR possible future call-up. I am trying to do my homework now on all of this so that I will be ready should i get orders or even a muster call-up, but I want to make sure that the information we are sharing with each other is not overly-conservative/unnecessarily cautioun just for the sake of being so (or perhaps bitterness?). My only analogy for what I'm trying to say is if an ex-con was highly injured from a defective, negligent window while burglarizing a home, TECHNICALLY (and legally) he could sue the homeowner for a tort against liability of improper care and maintenance to possible third parties and the window manufacturer for breach of warranty in a defective product. But any reasonable, credible judge will throw his lawsuit out the window based on AUDACITY alone. I like to live my life by statistics and probabilities (and dorky as that sounds), so tell us things that are actually happening NOW (in 2007/2008) and will most likely happen, not will POSSIBLY happen. If we play that game, we will be here all day.

-I know I joined the Army and have a duty and bla bla bla, but frankly i've payed that duty with almost a 2 year tour that set me back hardcore in life. I know you are going through your own battles, but try not to poo poo on all of our attempts at research because you drew a bad straw of luck. And I'm not trying to be insensitive, I just want to make sure we're all looking out for each other. If you can save one of us, then that's one less person the Army will have f'd over.

Alpha101-you mentioned you had Degenerative Disc disease...i have that as well, however, mine may (OR MAY NOT) be hereditary. How was your case of it able to prevent you/flag your medical files into not being mobed?

thanks for the reply! i will try to write this so you can understand it. musters were done if i am not mistaken at four different location throughout 07. i got orders which came in the regular mail and looked like typical mail .( hence why they should make people sign for this stuff, i almost put it in the paper shredder) I called the number they gave me and the NCO asked me which day i preferred (saturday or sunday) or if i was calling to let them know i could not attend. i picked saturday and showed up only to find out my name was not on the list so i did the admirable thing and signed in.

i went to all the stations and when i got to medical they asked me standard questions and i offered my records to them and they declined but when she asked me about VA i told her i have 40% she changed the conversation to the issues i get compensation for. now i don't make fun of people for any reason but all of my problems started when i was in the army. i developed obsessive compulsive disorder, i have arthritis in my spine, and degenerative joint disease from continuous ankle and knee sprains, we are talking double digits here, and the army did not rehab me well at all.

i was told to wait in line to see the full bird and he went over my records, but did not accept them, and changed the profile there on my paperwork that HRC was collecting. but i have to tell you they still screwed everything up. nothing has changed on my medical readiness on AKO so i have no idea what they are doing with the info they get. the only thing they changed was the hearing test results. that is all.

well f you have any more questions just ask and i will try to answer them....oh by the way the entire muster took 6 hours!

[ALPHA101]

i also forgot to mention that i did not ask for the profile. he was writing that all by himself i just sneaked a peek at the paperwork when he got up to yell at the soldiers outside the door because they were making alot of noise. he had at least 3 fours in it. i think that may have been because i take anti-depressants!? i don't really know

[2YearsOrBust]

3 fours????

and what did you previously mean: "he went over my records but did not accept them." You mean he wouldn't accept them as a GO?

[liz20]

i have a son who is 1. i filed for an exemption because my husband is going to iraq this month. my orders are to report jan 8th. do you think i will get one?

[ALPHA101]

3 fours????

and what did you previously mean: "he went over my records but did not accept them." You mean he wouldn't accept them as a GO?

i photo copied all of my records from the doctor's i am currently seeing and they just would not take them. you do know of the number sequence for profiles right?

[Bigmoe]

I have no sympathy. I got out of the Marine Corps for the simple fact that I wanted to do something differnt. In March of 03'' I received a certifed letter stating that I was being called to active duty from the IRR. Needless to say I was some what suprised since I had already been out two years. I reported to the assigned duty station and 28 days later I am in Iraq leading a platoon of Marine that had no combat experience. I did my job, came home and thats that. These are trying times and unfortunatly we all have to make sacrafices to assure the safety of this nation. If you are in the IRR then you are still a Marine/Solider.

[ALPHA101]

I have no sympathy. I got out of the Marine Corps for the simple fact that I wanted to do something differnt. In March of 03'' I received a certifed letter stating that I was being called to active duty from the IRR. Needless to say I was some what suprised since I had already been out two years. I reported to the assigned duty station and 28 days later I am in Iraq leading a platoon of Marine that had no combat experience. I did my job, came home and thats that. These are trying times and unfortunatly we all have to make sacrafices to assure the safety of this nation. If you are in the IRR then you are still a Marine/Solider.

Safety of this nation. What a crock! This nation is no more safe then it was before 9/11 and you know it. Homeland Security and the war in Iraq are the biggest jokes of the last 8 years and I am looking forward to the change coming this year.

[lmcleod]

My question is this:

Once you submit you request for exemption or delay from active duty deployment.

If it is denied and you still dont report what will happen?

Loria

[2YearsOrBust]

i photo copied all of my records from the doctor's i am currently seeing and they just would not take them. you do know of the number sequence for profiles right?

Why would ANYONE know that????

[big sarge]

The IRR mini-musters will start beginning on 1 Feb and run through July 08. Alll IRR Soldiers are required to attend a personnel accountability muster with their local Army Reserve Counselor. I look forward to seeing all of you IRR Soldiers. Your orders should be coming soon to attend.

[2YearsOrBust]

The IRR mini-musters will start beginning on 1 Feb and run through July 08. Alll IRR Soldiers are required to attend a personnel accountability muster with their local Army Reserve Counselor. I look forward to seeing all of you IRR Soldiers. Your orders should be coming soon to attend.

hahaha. RIIIIGHT. Appreciate that "Big Sarge". Ass.

[ALPHA101]

Why would ANYONE know that????

you should know it so you know how they rate you on your profile.

[ALPHA101]

hahaha. RIIIIGHT. Appreciate that "Big Sarge". Ass.

who actually cares. i got orders for that crap showed up and was not on the list so forget you. tool

[1234]

The IRR mini-musters will start beginning on 1 Feb and run through July 08. Alll IRR Soldiers are required to attend a personnel accountability muster with their local Army Reserve Counselor. I look forward to seeing all of you IRR Soldiers. Your orders should be coming soon to attend.

Wow...I bet you practice your salute in the mirror every day. Also get your facts straight, not all soldiers are required to attend an accountability muster.

[ALPHA101]

Why would ANYONE know that????

here is a website in case you are curious:

http://www.us-army-info.com/pages/mos/profile.html

[2YearsOrBust]

AH I see. I have actually never been on profile in the entire 7 years I've been in. HOWEVER, I have an appt with a nuerologist this morning for the discs in my back so keep your fingers crossed! (ha, that sounds awful)

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

who actually cares. i got orders for that crap showed up and was not on the list so forget you. toolDid you get a "certificate of attendance" or anything else to show that you reported as required?

Just because your name wasn't on the list where you reported that does not mean that it wasn't on the list for someplace else and if you can't prove that you attended where you were told to attend then (simply put, as far as the military is concerned) you didn't attend at all.

[ALPHA101]

Did you get a "certificate of attendance" or anything else to show that you reported as required?

Just because your name wasn't on the list where you reported that does not mean that it wasn't on the list for someplace else and if you can't prove that you attended where you were told to attend then (simply put, as far as the military is concerned) you didn't attend at all.

yeah there was a certificate and the little money they pay you.

[big sarge]

Wow...I bet you practice your salute in the mirror every day. Also get your facts straight, not all soldiers are required to attend an accountability muster.

Let me state again, once a IRR Soldier receives the muster order they are required to attend. In 2008 there should be no exemptions, because the mini-musters are starting 1 Feb and run through July 08 for the first 2weeks of every month. I don't pratice my salute anymore either. Just the facts!!! Until then.

[ringjamesa]

AH I see. I have actually never been on profile in the entire 7 years I've been in. HOWEVER, I have an appt with a nuerologist this morning for the discs in my back so keep your fingers crossed! (ha, that sounds awful)

What you mean to say is you weren't aware of your profile. You were assigned a physical profile from the day you went to MEPS and have had one ever since. More than likely it has always been all 1s and 2s and you were WWQ but you had a profile nonetheless. If you got a copy of your medical records prior to separating, go through them and check. it will be listed as P U L H E S and on your MEPS physical also an X (not used by any branch other than the AF).

[2YearsOrBust]

What you mean to say is you weren't aware of your profile. You were assigned a physical profile from the day you went to MEPS and have had one ever since. More than likely it has always been all 1s and 2s and you were WWQ but you had a profile nonetheless. If you got a copy of your medical records prior to separating, go through them and check. it will be listed as P U L H E S and on your MEPS physical also an X (not used by any branch other than the AF).

Actually I'm in the Reserves. And I ETS in May 2009. And my disc problem only happened last month. Got an MRI done though and will be awaiting those results.

[1234]

Let me state again, once a IRR Soldier receives the muster order they are required to attend. In 2008 there should be no exemptions, because the mini-musters are starting 1 Feb and run through July 08 for the first 2weeks of every month. I don't pratice my salute anymore either. Just the facts!!! Until then.

Once again you are incorrect. You do not need to go to muster. You can call them and give them a reason why you can not attend (i.e. work/school schedule, out of country, etc.). I got orders for the july/august muster, called the HRC the same day, told them my situation and was waived from attending the muster. I even received a letter in the mail stating that I was exempt from attending the muster. So stick to practicing your salute because your "facts" are incorrect.

[big sarge]

Once again you are incorrect. You do not need to go to muster. You can call them and give them a reason why you can not attend (i.e. work/school schedule, out of country, etc.). I got orders for the july/august muster, called the HRC the same day, told them my situation and was waived from attending the muster. I even received a letter in the mail stating that I was exempt from attending the muster. So stick to practicing your salute because your "facts" are incorrect.


Like I said before new year, new rules. Your going to have the first 2 weeks from Feb thru July to attend. All in good times, all in good times. Damn my salute looks good this morning.

[ALPHA101]

Like I said before new year, new rules. Your going to have the first 2 weeks from Feb thru July to attend. All in good times, all in good times. Damn my salute looks good this morning.

new year new rules....prove it loser. let's see if you can back up what you say.

[big sarge]

I will prove it next week, by giving you the locations of the readiness musters first. Since, I'm such a big loser, I guess I will need to be more direct in the future. I'm hearing that effective communication is crappy leadership and the reason why a certain individual left active duty. As you can see that person didn't have the courage to step up and post that in the community. Bring it on!!!!

[ALPHA101]

I will prove it next week, by giving you the locations of the readiness musters first. Since, I'm such a big loser, I guess I will need to be more direct in the future. I'm hearing that effective communication is crappy leadership and the reason why a certain individual left active duty. As you can see that person didn't have the courage to step up and post that in the community. Bring it on!!!!


you will have to do more than that chucklehead! for all we know they are the same locations as last year. oh and by the way meat if you are referring to me being the "certain individual that left active duty" then you better watch what you say because leaving the military because people are disgusted with it is not a reason to bash them. but then again you are living proof of lousy leadership for just joining this board and trying to cause trouble.

[2YearsOrBust]

Oh didn't you hear? People who left active duty Army were the ones actually ABLE to survive in the real world. Maybe that big job at Bojangles didn't work out for Big Sarge. Pity.

[ALPHA101]

Oh didn't you hear? People who left active duty Army were the ones actually ABLE to survive in the real world. Maybe that big job at Bojangles didn't work out for Big Sarge. Pity.

And the ones able to survive in the real world are the ones smart enough to ignore readiness orders. i will not drop my belongings to go back to the worthless sandbox.

[big sarge]

And the ones able to survive in the real world are the ones smart enough to ignore readiness orders. i will not drop my belongings to go back to the worthless sandbox.

What is the real world; going to college, working for the Post office, applying at every local police and fire academy, and then crawling back on your knees to a local recruiter when you can't hack it in the real world. You will do what the orders tell you do, Soldier!!!

[big sarge]

you will have to do more than that chucklehead! for all we know they are the same locations as last year. oh and by the way meat if you are referring to me being the "certain individual that left active duty" then you better watch what you say because leaving the military because people are disgusted with it is not a reason to bash them. but then again you are living proof of lousy leadership for just joining this board and trying to cause trouble.

If you left the military for crappy leadership, then your just as part of the problem because you didn't man up to the situation.
I guess you don't apprecate communication. You just want to be left in the dark, and wait for that ceritfied letter from HRC. The fact is that you want us joes protecting your sorry ass, because you can't hack it.

Jack Nicholson said it best, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall, In fact I would rather you just pick a weapon and man your post.

[big sarge]

Oh didn't you hear? People who left active duty Army were the ones actually ABLE to survive in the real world. Maybe that big job at Bojangles didn't work out for Big Sarge. Pity.

And I guess your one of the ones who came back into the military for the 2-year stabilization from involuntary deployment. I know a lot of people who can't hack it in the real world. I interview them all the time at the unemployment office. hmmmm.

[ALPHA101]

What is the real world; going to college, working for the Post office, applying at every local police and fire academy, and then crawling back on your knees to a local recruiter when you can't hack it in the real world. You will do what the orders tell you do, Soldier!!!

i'd like to see you make me do what the orders tell me to do. i will be at the pentagon this morning at 9 see you in the court yard.

[ALPHA101]

If you left the military for crappy leadership, then your just as part of the problem because you didn't man up to the situation.
I guess you don't apprecate communication. You just want to be left in the dark, and wait for that ceritfied letter from HRC. The fact is that you want us joes protecting your sorry ass, because you can't hack it.

Jack Nicholson said it best, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall, In fact I would rather you just pick a weapon and man your post.

no i left the military because i am smart. i am not part of the leadership problem you are. you are the one with the worthless rank. you probably got in the military with 25 waivers because even back then they dropped the standards. i won't even reply to a letter from HRC like many others and as far as you joes protecting my "sorry ass" well if you don't like it get out if you can't hack it loser. oh and by the way it is appreciate not apprecate. see how a college education helps ?!

[2YearsOrBust]

What is the real world; going to college, working for the Post office, applying at every local police and fire academy, and then crawling back on your knees to a local recruiter when you can't hack it in the real world. You will do what the orders tell you do, Soldier!!!

Working for the POST OFFICE? hahaha. Who ARE you?? This HAS GOT to be a baby boomer. HAS TO BE.

[ALPHA101]

Working for the POST OFFICE? hahaha. Who ARE you?? This HAS GOT to be a baby boomer. HAS TO BE.

what is the matter armytimes? you have to delete post because you are Bush backers. boy how lame. anyways big sarge is just a hack who just signed up and is into starting trouble. And i state again armytimes i will not respond to orders from HRC nor will i listen to them either. The army's leadership is crap and one has to look no further than big sarge and those deleting e-mails because they are cry babies.

[ALPHA101]

And I guess your one of the ones who came back into the military for the 2-year stabilization from involuntary deployment. I know a lot of people who can't hack it in the real world. I interview them all the time at the unemployment office. hmmmm.

you mean you interview them at your family reunions seeing all of the people standing in line at the unemployment office are your family members!

[ALPHA101]

i'd like to see you make me do what the orders tell me to do. i will be at the pentagon this morning at 9 see you in the court yard.

i see you did not show up you stupid recruiter

[astcell]

Alpha101 you sure have a chip on your shoulder. Guess this ol' military is just too much for you to bear. I see your attitude from those who did not make it past basic. Could not let the Drill be in charge of them for 6 weeks.

But then again you sound like you would walk by a 4-star general and call him a loser because he had to join the army because he could not hack the real world.

Just my observation based on your unfriendly posts.

This is the part where you call me names now.

[ALPHA101]

Alpha101 you sure have a chip on your shoulder. Guess this ol' military is just too much for you to bear. I see your attitude from those who did not make it past basic. Could not let the Drill be in charge of them for 6 weeks.

But then again you sound like you would walk by a 4-star general and call him a loser because he had to join the army because he could not hack the real world.

Just my observation based on your unfriendly posts.

This is the part where you call me names now.

you're entitled to your opinion. i saw your myspace page. can i still call you names? anyways, the military was easy to bear it is just stupid leadership is what ruined it all the way up to the top. and you know who i am talking about....the one person in a big white house that will be talking to big sarge on the unemployment line. later astcell!

p.s. - by the way the commanding general when i was in OIF was general batiste...we share the same opinion about it all.

[valadon]

Well it seems a lot of people are being called back. I got my orders the day before Christmas. Ive only bean out of the army about five months now but I had already started college. Now I don,t know what to do. I certainly don,t want to go back to Iraq. I feel I have already served my time. I did my sixteen month deployment and decided I didn't want to do that again. Some people are made for the army and love it. Thats great for them and more power to them if thats what makes them happy but when some one decides to get out that usualy means there done. There burned out and for whatever reason they want to get out. Now not saying Ive seen anything worse than anyone else but Ive seen my share and I don't want this anymore. Now some would say but you volunteered for the IRR when I signed up for the army but fact of the matter is most people join right out of high school and know nothing of signing contracts or reading the fine print. Yes the recruiter tells you that you may be called back but the also tell you it rarely happens so you think nothing of it. The fact of the matter is if I had known how much the army was going to use me I never would have signed up. Now in all honesty I wouldn't being called back if it were a real emergency but this is a result of poor planning and a war most people don't want anything to do with. Now I am considering not complying with these orders but I feel I have to stand up for what I think is right and I think its wrong to call back solders that have already done there duty. Now I see the need for the IRR but eight years is a very long time to expect some one coming out of high school to commit to maybe if they shorten years of commitment it would make more sense me.

[ALPHA101]

Well it seems a lot of people are being called back. I got my orders the day before Christmas. Ive only bean out of the army about five months now but I had already started college. Now I don,t know what to do. I certainly don,t want to go back to Iraq. I feel I have already served my time. I did my sixteen month deployment and decided I didn't want to do that again. Some people are made for the army and love it. Thats great for them and more power to them if thats what makes them happy but when some one decides to get out that usualy means there done. There burned out and for whatever reason they want to get out. Now not saying Ive seen anything worse than anyone else but Ive seen my share and I don't want this anymore. Now some would say but you volunteered for the IRR when I signed up for the army but fact of the matter is most people join right out of high school and know nothing of signing contracts or reading the fine print. Yes the recruiter tells you that you may be called back but the also tell you it rarely happens so you think nothing of it. The fact of the matter is if I had known how much the army was going to use me I never would have signed up. Now in all honesty I wouldn't being called back if it were a real emergency but this is a result of poor planning and a war most people don't want anything to do with. Now I am considering not complying with these orders but I feel I have to stand up for what I think is right and I think its wrong to call back solders that have already done there duty. Now I see the need for the IRR but eight years is a very long time to expect some one coming out of high school to commit to maybe if they shorten years of commitment it would make more sense me.

what is your MOS if you don't mind me asking?

[2YearsOrBust]

HOLY ....are you kidding me? I wrote like a 2 page essay and Army Times HONEST TO GOD deleted it!!! hahaha, WOW. In all my legal MBA courses I'm taking I'm reading A LOT about the first amendment. I really cannot believe they deleted my posts. There was nothing vulgar or out of the ordinary and actually, it was more of the same that you've been seeing in "Big Sarge's" posts. Yet it sounds to me like difference of political opinion came to be and whomever is their network administrator took it upon themselves to parlay their opinion on all of US. That's a direct violation of our constitutional freedom and I would LOVE to see their "bylaws" on forum behavior. Very interesting indeed.

Anyway. Big Sarge is a clownshoe, NEXT.

Valadon, feel no need to "explain" yourself to us. We get it. Trust. Now are these orders "orders" or musters? Also, what is your MOS, component, and time spent in IRR?

[2YearsOrBust]

Alpha....I emailed you.

[Bigmoe]

Interesting development we have here. To play the devils advocate it seems as though we have a bunch of individuals who have no self worth or take pride in themselves. If you signed up for eight years of service then thats what you commited to do. Is it fair, of course not. If you are not a man or woman of your word and chose not to accept your IRR orders then that is entrily up to you. The military will alwasy get what they want in the end. If you renege on your orignally contract then the military has ever legal cause to make your life more difficult. The sooner you young men and women learn that life isn't fair and that you actually are responsible for your actions and have to abide by certain rules and regualtions that you disagree with the sooner you can get on with your life.

Big Moe

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

WOW. In all my legal MBA courses I'm taking I'm reading A LOT about the first amendment. I really cannot believe they deleted my posts.Since your "legal MBA courses" didn't bother to tell you that the "First Amendment" starts out with the words "Congress shall make no law ..." and since you appear to have completed those courses without being able to tell the difference between

[A] the government of the United States of America

and

[B] a commercial enterprise

you might well want to consider asking for a refund on your tuition.

[2YearsOrBust]

Right, so here we go.......all the closet psychos coming out of the wood works. Bring it on.

[2YearsOrBust]

Since your "legal MBA courses" didn't bother to tell you that the "First Amendment" starts out with the words "Congress shall make no law ..." and since you appear to have completed those courses without being able to tell the difference between

[A] the government of the United States of America

and

[B] a commercial enterprise

you might well want to consider asking for a refund on your tuition.

Yeah I'm going to ask for a "refund" on my tuition, dipshit. Good one.

[2YearsOrBust]

Interesting development we have here. To play the devils advocate it seems as though we have a bunch of individuals who have no self worth or take pride in themselves. If you signed up for eight years of service then thats what you commited to do. Is it fair, of course not. If you are not a man or woman of your word and chose not to accept your IRR orders then that is entrily up to you. The military will alwasy get what they want in the end. If you renege on your orignally contract then the military has ever legal cause to make your life more difficult. The sooner you young men and women learn that life isn't fair and that you actually are responsible for your actions and have to abide by certain rules and regualtions that you disagree with the sooner you can get on with your life.

Big Moe

But actually, you're NOT playing devil's advocate. You're talking about matters of which you have no business talking of. haha, individuals who have no self-worth or pride? To let the Army ship me off to Iraq for a 2nd time and rob the precious civilian industry of my talents would be a TRAVESTY, thus, in turn, would be no better example of stripping me of my pride. In the military, my skills and intelligence are WASTED. Go sign your nephews and grandkids up.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Yeah I'm going to ask for a "refund" on my tuition, dipshit. Good one.And as to the fact that you don't know (or weren't taught) that the First Amendment doesn't apply to commercial enterprises - but only to Congress - your comment is?

Or are you going to continue to ignore that one?

[astcell]

Alpha101,
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I just read back and saw your post about degenerative joint disease and you still had to muster. That has gotta suck, I'm sorry about that disease. Anyway yes you have to muster, because they mobilized folks who had extrnal pacemakers in my group, among other issues. They had to be fully inprocessed before they could be fully outprocessed. I guess doing that at the muster point beats flying you across country.

If you walk in without arms and haver a civilian doctor's note, it is not valid until a military doctor blesses off on it.

I guess they will certify order delivery if enough folks stop replying or acknowledging them. Sounds like a short term solution. Then we just do not have to be 'at home" when th email comes. Eventually they will notify you by having two drill sergeant show up at the door I suppose.

Yes, the M4 on a CO was not a good idea. I thin they section-8'd the guy.

Around post #1210 you started getting angry here. I hope you feel better. I'm not trying to bait you. This is knowledge we are trying to get out. I am not addressing what is right or wrong, legal or illegal, but what happens. Calling folks losers is mucking up these forums for those who are not in our shoes. Let's let them learn from us.

I know all too well about leadership, and lack thereof. My GT score was 20 points higher than my CDR when I was an E-2. That makes for really tough times. But this is the drill, we listen to those senior to us. My first boss was Jimmy Carter, and bosses change.


2YearsorBust,
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Sorry about all the acronyms!
Deferrment: "I'll go, but I need more than 30 days to get my act together. Can I have 90 days?"
Appeal: "You say I have to go? I wanna talk to your boss!"
Delay: Cancelled flights, etc.

E-mail me your big posts too. ;-)

Yes, they will find you. Unless you decide not to file taxes, pay taxes, work where then seed your social, etc. Cancel your driver's license while you are at it. We are all ytraceable, but how much efort is it worth to them? Easier to list you as AWOL then let you worry about it.

Yes, everyone was tossed into a barrel. The only commonality in my group was prior Army service from 2-18 years, and a rank of E-5 or greater.

I was not mustered. They started that after I was mobilized so they don't call up more dead people. A muster is not an order to mobilize but it sure greases the skids. if you get mobilized, THEN appeal if you want to not go, or defer if you want to go later. or maybe at the muster say hey I do not want to go, maybe they will give you an out.

Yes I have had hardships because I fought it. It cost my marriage. So now I focus on the Army and it is all good. I'm over being angry and have extended another 13 months and plan to extend again. This way I remain in charge of my career rather than getting out only to have them call me back in six months.

YES THIS IS ABOUT YOU. From the time you "may get called" to when you are sitting here being trained as my replacement, there is a huge information gap. And that tiny packet does not help.

Here is some typical Army stuff that I went through:
-Mobilize, report to Ft Jackson SC.
-In-process with finance and medical. One week. LOTS of shots if you do not have your shot records!
-Travel to ft Bragg NC for training.
-More in-processing. This is a different Tri-care area than Ft. Jackson so you start all over again, so MORE SHOTS unles you kept copies of what you got in SC.
-They also want to re-do finance. It worked in SC so do not change it. They broke it in NC and used a wrong acount number and I did not get paid for two months.
-As soon as we got to NC we get 30 days xmas leave. So they call us up, we do 10 days, then home for 30.
-As soon as we get back from leave, it is off to Ft Dix, NJ for a month of school.
-Back to NC for more training and eventual deployment.

It is not so much saving you from deployment, but giving you information that you can use. if you get your wish at the end, whatever it may be, it sure is nice to have not walked in blind.

Number sequence for profiles? I got 111111 and I expected a few 2's and 3's in there!


BigMoe,
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Yes it is an obligation. Some folks like me made other obligations (marriage) that we valued as well. It's a challenge I know. Many folks here have kids born while away on active duty. I have sympathy for the emotions that we go through, but if folks want out of the IRR they need to try to get out now and not wait for a mob order. Also some join at 19 and then to be called back at 27, they are completely different people. And then we have the likes of Valadon who want to do something with their life for the next half-decade other than standby to standby. While we all serve with pride, having to keep going back to dsquare one can be quite frustrating. At this rate by the time the Army releases him for good he will be four years older and still not have his college degree even started.


lmcleod,
-------

Once you submit your request for exemotion they will give you a new report date. Mine was 90 days later. In that time they will decide to exempt you or not. If they do not, then you report on that second date. In my case they changed the date because they had not reviewed my case after 90 days. If you do not report you are AWOL. At one time they put guys in jail for it.


valadon,
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I think you are the typical person called up. Did your time, got out, started making a life, going to school, then you get orders a lot sooner than you ever expected. And now for the next four years they can dick you around lie this. This is why I chose to extend. It keeps me from worrying where I will go next and if I can re-start my civilian life and enjoy it.


As for skills being wasted, yes they are. In my civilian life I had the responsibility of a Colonel. Now I have much less. I have not had to guard a jeep or other stupid things yet but you never know. After all, this is the army.

[ALPHA101]

Alpha101,
---------

I just read back and saw your post about degenerative joint disease and you still had to muster. That has gotta suck, I'm sorry about that disease. Anyway yes you have to muster, because they mobilized folks who had extrnal pacemakers in my group, among other issues. They had to be fully inprocessed before they could be fully outprocessed. I guess doing that at the muster point beats flying you across country.

If you walk in without arms and haver a civilian doctor's note, it is not valid until a military doctor blesses off on it.

I guess they will certify order delivery if enough folks stop replying or acknowledging them. Sounds like a short term solution. Then we just do not have to be 'at home" when th email comes. Eventually they will notify you by having two drill sergeant show up at the door I suppose.

Yes, the M4 on a CO was not a good idea. I thin they section-8'd the guy.

Around post #1210 you started getting angry here. I hope you feel better. I'm not trying to bait you. This is knowledge we are trying to get out. I am not addressing what is right or wrong, legal or illegal, but what happens. Calling folks losers is mucking up these forums for those who are not in our shoes. Let's let them learn from us.

I know all too well about leadership, and lack thereof. My GT score was 20 points higher than my CDR when I was an E-2. That makes for really tough times. But this is the drill, we listen to those senior to us. My first boss was Jimmy Carter, and bosses change.


2YearsorBust,
-------------

Sorry about all the acronyms!
Deferrment: "I'll go, but I need more than 30 days to get my act together. Can I have 90 days?"
Appeal: "You say I have to go? I wanna talk to your boss!"
Delay: Cancelled flights, etc.

E-mail me your big posts too. ;-)

Yes, they will find you. Unless you decide not to file taxes, pay taxes, work where then seed your social, etc. Cancel your driver's license while you are at it. We are all ytraceable, but how much efort is it worth to them? Easier to list you as AWOL then let you worry about it.

Yes, everyone was tossed into a barrel. The only commonality in my group was prior Army service from 2-18 years, and a rank of E-5 or greater.

I was not mustered. They started that after I was mobilized so they don't call up more dead people. A muster is not an order to mobilize but it sure greases the skids. if you get mobilized, THEN appeal if you want to not go, or defer if you want to go later. or maybe at the muster say hey I do not want to go, maybe they will give you an out.

Yes I have had hardships because I fought it. It cost my marriage. So now I focus on the Army and it is all good. I'm over being angry and have extended another 13 months and plan to extend again. This way I remain in charge of my career rather than getting out only to have them call me back in six months.

YES THIS IS ABOUT YOU. From the time you "may get called" to when you are sitting here being trained as my replacement, there is a huge information gap. And that tiny packet does not help.

Here is some typical Army stuff that I went through:
-Mobilize, report to Ft Jackson SC.
-In-process with finance and medical. One week. LOTS of shots if you do not have your shot records!
-Travel to ft Bragg NC for training.
-More in-processing. This is a different Tri-care area than Ft. Jackson so you start all over again, so MORE SHOTS unles you kept copies of what you got in SC.
-They also want to re-do finance. It worked in SC so do not change it. They broke it in NC and used a wrong acount number and I did not get paid for two months.
-As soon as we got to NC we get 30 days xmas leave. So they call us up, we do 10 days, then home for 30.
-As soon as we get back from leave, it is off to Ft Dix, NJ for a month of school.
-Back to NC for more training and eventual deployment.

It is not so much saving you from deployment, but giving you information that you can use. if you get your wish at the end, whatever it may be, it sure is nice to have not walked in blind.

Number sequence for profiles? I got 111111 and I expected a few 2's and 3's in there!


BigMoe,
-------

Yes it is an obligation. Some folks like me made other obligations (marriage) that we valued as well. It's a challenge I know. Many folks here have kids born while away on active duty. I have sympathy for the emotions that we go through, but if folks want out of the IRR they need to try to get out now and not wait for a mob order. Also some join at 19 and then to be called back at 27, they are completely different people. And then we have the likes of Valadon who want to do something with their life for the next half-decade other than standby to standby. While we all serve with pride, having to keep going back to dsquare one can be quite frustrating. At this rate by the time the Army releases him for good he will be four years older and still not have his college degree even started.


lmcleod,
-------

Once you submit your request for exemotion they will give you a new report date. Mine was 90 days later. In that time they will decide to exempt you or not. If they do not, then you report on that second date. In my case they changed the date because they had not reviewed my case after 90 days. If you do not report you are AWOL. At one time they put guys in jail for it.


valadon,
--------

I think you are the typical person called up. Did your time, got out, started making a life, going to school, then you get orders a lot sooner than you ever expected. And now for the next four years they can dick you around lie this. This is why I chose to extend. It keeps me from worrying where I will go next and if I can re-start my civilian life and enjoy it.


As for skills being wasted, yes they are. In my civilian life I had the responsibility of a Colonel. Now I have much less. I have not had to guard a jeep or other stupid things yet but you never know. After all, this is the army.

boy was this a long post! my eyes, my eyes! i had no problem with the muster i went to it. i had a problem with them not being responsive to my help. i had went out of my way to photocopy my records and everything and they just did not accept them. i found that really strange. but that full bird still put 3's and 4's in my profile. i guess thing were serious enough to have it looked at further. plus the moment i said i had 40% disability the NCO in the medical section made me stand in line for the full bird. plus i take anti-depressents for other issues too....and no not those issues!

[astcell]

If they ask why you take anti-depressants, give the line we all know and love, "I shoulda joined the Air Force!"

Yep that post was long. I gotta pop in more. The fact that they are still calling up IRR 34 months after they called me makes for scary thoughts. That's a lot of calling. Plus they called many moons before me, too. I thought I was at the tail end of that mess.

[ALPHA101]

If they ask why you take anti-depressants, give the line we all know and love, "I shoulda joined the Air Force!"

Yep that post was long. I gotta pop in more. The fact that they are still calling up IRR 34 months after they called me makes for scary thoughts. That's a lot of calling. Plus they called many moons before me, too. I thought I was at the tail end of that mess.

i am not trying to be rude but i really don't understand the air force comment here. i do know i got a 3 in my profile from the full bird for what i deal with but i still have not seen anyhting under my medical on AKO that has changed. are they even taking the information obtained seriously?