Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

[big sarge]

:confused: **Still waiting for proof from Big Sarge** :confused:

It is obvious that increasing capital gains taxes by a minimum of one-third and possibly doubling them, both of which Obama has proposed during his campaign, would send a clear signal to investors to keep their money under the mattress. Who would buy stock now knowing that the tax on any profits he or she will make is going to go up sharply if Obama becomes president.

[big sarge]

Thanks for the detailed breakdown, that is helpful when I am trying to debate politics with Republicans. Just out of curiosity, where did you get those numbers? I ask because they ALWAYS ask me or accuse me or slough it off as liberal propaganda, so i'm hoping you got it from somewhere credible so i can send out a mass email and throw it in their face. :)

The Obama campaign doesn’t seem to get that it is running against McCain, not Sarah Palin. They spent the entire Republican convention and the week since attacking the vice presidential candidate. That’s like stabbing the capillaries instead of the arteries. Nobody is going to vote for or against McCain because they want Sarah Palin to be vice president of the United States, or don’t. But Palin has served, and will serve, a key purpose in illustrating and demonstrating what kind of a man John McCain is. She stands as a tribute to his desire to bring change, his willingness to cut loose from the past, and his courage in attempting innovation. No amount of criticism of Palin is going to stop that process. Obama needs to remember who his opponent is.

[BJN]

The Obama campaign doesn’t seem to get that it is running against McCain, not Sarah Palin. They spent the entire Republican convention and the week since attacking the vice presidential candidate. That’s like stabbing the capillaries instead of the arteries. Nobody is going to vote for or against McCain because they want Sarah Palin to be vice president of the United States, or don’t. But Palin has served, and will serve, a key purpose in illustrating and demonstrating what kind of a man John McCain is. She stands as a tribute to his desire to bring change, his willingness to cut loose from the past, and his courage in attempting innovation. No amount of criticism of Palin is going to stop that process. Obama needs to remember who his opponent is.

McCain is old...you can't deny that. This is why they are attacking Palin because she will probably be president before McCain's first term is over. I also love how McCain has jumped on the Obama train by taking all of his ideas about change. Obama has been saying this for 16 months and now McCain is suddenly using the whole "we need change" attitude. It's sad. In addition to this I love how McCain has changed his views on Iraq over the past few months. He went from the war lasting 100 years to being over by the end of his first term to the war being over in 16 months (copying Obama again!!!). All of McCain's lies will catch up with him in the next month and Americans will see his true colors.

[BJN]

I'm just wondering if Mr Num Nuts is reading about IRR Soldiers being sent to Iraq. Seriously....

I think you meant to call him Numb Nuts...at least spell the word correctly when trying to insult him. Also they do not talk about IRR call ups in the newspaper anymore, it hurts morale.

[BJN]

OK i'm already got replies like 'where the hell did you get this'? I checked under 2008 proposals but theres like thousands of different pdf docs to search through. Like charts and graphs, i dont know what im looking at here. Any direction?

Here is where is was posted in the washington post using information from the Tax Policy Center:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/06/09/ST2008060900950.html

[seeks advice]

I am in the IRR. I just received a phone call from HRC telling me that my delay/exemption board has been closed and my orders are revoked.
I had received orders for Iraq to report in October and applied for an exemption for extreme hardship. So now that the case has been closed in my favor, I am unsure of my IRR status. You all seem to have a good handle on this type of thing. I have been reading for a few months in case something came across my mailbox, and it did.
Anyway, the SSG said that I am just back in the IRR pool. I thought I would be removed from the IRR. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

[ALPHA101]

I am in the IRR. I just received a phone call from HRC telling me that my delay/exemption board has been closed and my orders are revoked.
I had received orders for Iraq to report in October and applied for an exemption for extreme hardship. So now that the case has been closed in my favor, I am unsure of my IRR status. You all seem to have a good handle on this type of thing. I have been reading for a few months in case something came across my mailbox, and it did.
Anyway, the SSG said that I am just back in the IRR pool. I thought I would be removed from the IRR. Any insight would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

It sounds like they just put you back in the pool just like the SSG said. If they said you were discharged that would be different. Just go on AKO and look it up. They put that info on the My Personnel section. How long did it take you to get the exemption? They are hard to come by these days.

[seeks advice]

It sounds like they just put you back in the pool just like the SSG said. If they said you were discharged that would be different. Just go on AKO and look it up. They put that info on the My Personnel section. How long did it take you to get the exemption? They are hard to come by these days.

I will check AKO. I received orders in the last week of August and I faxed my request for exemption on August 27th. I just received the board result this morning. So, it was about 1 month.
Just so you know, this thread was very helpful. I was a little more confident when the time came after reading this.

[ALPHA101]

I will check AKO. I received orders in the last week of August and I faxed my request for exemption on August 27th. I just received the board result this morning. So, it was about 1 month.
Just so you know, this thread was very helpful. I was a little more confident when the time came after reading this.

It should log you in from the get go. If you are not sure just click on self-service, then my personnel, the website will pop up and then click on my records portal, my reserve record and then over to the left it should say orders. Click on that and it will display your orders. Also, if you want to before you check your orders look to the right and see what your ETS date is. It may have changed.

What was your MOS if I might ask and what was the process like D&E like? Just so others know. We all hope you will be okay seeing you had hardship issues. Alot of people here will offer good advice if you need it.

[seeks advice]

It should log you in from the get go. If you are not sure just click on self-service, then my personnel, the website will pop up and then click on my records portal, my reserve record and then over to the left it should say orders. Click on that and it will display your orders. Also, if you want to before you check your orders look to the right and see what your ETS date is. It may have changed.

What was your MOS if I might ask and what was the process like D&E like? Just so others know. We all hope you will be okay seeing you had hardship issues. Alot of people here will offer good advice if you need it.

I checked my record and there is no change in my MSO. I was a 14A, but later branch detailed MI. Never worked in MI though.
When I received my orders, I called HRC using the number used for updating your records. I first spoke to a SSG. He took the time to remind me that I signed up for an 8 year obligation and that I was part of a volunteer Army. So despite my hardship, which is very personal, he wanted to make sure I knew what it means to join the Army. Yeah.
So anyway, I finally got through to the D&E team. I spoke to a SFC who was very, very helpful. He had me summarize my situatuion, while staying completely compassionate. He reassured me that I need to submit for an exemption. After taking my email address, he sent me all of the forms and instructions that I would need. I filled out the forms (a request memo- already done for me by D&E; a medical release form; some documents; and 2 letters, one from me and one from my husband) and faxed them the next morning. The D&E office called and confirmed the receipt. One month later (today) I received my results.
My advice to anyone needing an exemption would be to call the D&E team immediately. There is a timeline that you need to follow in order to even have a chance at an exemption. (about 14 days) Make sure that you are very specific and don't be afraid to share it all, even when it hurts. Good luck.

[ALPHA101]

I checked my record and there is no change in my MSO. I was a 14A, but later branch detailed MI. Never worked in MI though.
When I received my orders, I called HRC using the number used for updating your records. I first spoke to a SSG. He took the time to remind me that I signed up for an 8 year obligation and that I was part of a volunteer Army. So despite my hardship, which is very personal, he wanted to make sure I knew what it means to join the Army. Yeah.
So anyway, I finally got through to the D&E team. I spoke to a SFC who was very, very helpful. He had me summarize my situatuion, while staying completely compassionate. He reassured me that I need to submit for an exemption. After taking my email address, he sent me all of the forms and instructions that I would need. I filled out the forms (a request memo- already done for me by D&E; a medical release form; some documents; and 2 letters, one from me and one from my husband) and faxed them the next morning. The D&E office called and confirmed the receipt. One month later (today) I received my results.
My advice to anyone needing an exemption would be to call the D&E team immediately. There is a timeline that you need to follow in order to even have a chance at an exemption. (about 14 days) Make sure that you are very specific and don't be afraid to share it all, even when it hurts. Good luck.

Thanks for taking the time to share your experience with all on the board. I am surprised they actually were that helpful usually they come off rude but I guess it is alot different now. They even typed up your request memo...cool!

[BJN]

It is obvious that increasing capital gains taxes by a minimum of one-third and possibly doubling them, both of which Obama has proposed during his campaign, would send a clear signal to investors to keep their money under the mattress. Who would buy stock now knowing that the tax on any profits he or she will make is going to go up sharply if Obama becomes president.

Still not proof? Where did you get these so called "facts"?

Nice new political scheme from McCain by the way, "suspending" his campaign. What a joke...what can he possibly solve? He is also trying to get the VP debate cancelled because he knows Palin won't be able to stand the heat.

[karinp30]

Seeks Advice - That's great that they were so quick! I agree, the DE team were very helpful and professional. They were even cool when I got a little testy about needing a document after I already faxed my packet in. (They didn't tell me they needed it before I faxed everything in when they gave me the list of stuff needed in the packet.)

I'm getting nervous though if yours was so quick. I faxed my packet on 22 AUG. I would've thought it would be cut & dry. Then again, I was an officer, and I know they're really hurting for officers. I'll just have to wait and see. They didn't even open the case until 12 September.

[seeks advice]

Seeks Advice - That's great that they were so quick! I agree, the DE team were very helpful and professional. They were even cool when I got a little testy about needing a document after I already faxed my packet in. (They didn't tell me they needed it before I faxed everything in when they gave me the list of stuff needed in the packet.)

I'm getting nervous though if yours was so quick. I faxed my packet on 22 AUG. I would've thought it would be cut & dry. Then again, I was an officer, and I know they're really hurting for officers. I'll just have to wait and see. They didn't even open the case until 12 September.

I wouldn't get too nervous. In my experience while on AD, paperwork was never consistant, regardless of the situation. Sometimes it just takes longer bc of the person who is processing it.
It took a couple of weeks for them to open my case too. Don't lose hope, I was an officer too. But, I guess it all depends on the reason for your request. I wish you luck.

[astcell]

I got out from my 1000 day mobilization on September 5th. Now they are spamming me, saying if I join a TPU I will get $10,000 for a 3-year commitment and $20,000 for a 6-year commitment and a deferment from a redeployment for 24 months. I told them the 3-year was the best deal, but wait until after the election.

And then I get an email from HRC saying to get ready to go to a muster, more information to follow! Holy cow the ink is not even dry on my DD214.

[ALPHA101]

I got out from my 1000 day mobilization on September 5th. Now they are spamming me, saying if I join a TPU I will get $10,000 for a 3-year commitment and $20,000 for a 6-year commitment and a deferment from a redeployment for 24 months. I told them the 3-year was the best deal, but wait until after the election.

And then I get an email from HRC saying to get ready to go to a muster, more information to follow! Holy cow the ink is not even dry on my DD214.

The e-mails and such will continue, I just deleted them or threw the mail in the shredder when I got them. I thought you finished your 8 year gig? Maybe I was mistaken. Anyways, I don't see them doing a muster anytime soon, not with an election coming up and the simple fact that they usually have them in the summer time. They send out the muster orders through the regular mail, no need to sign for it, also check AKO so no one gets surprised.

[astcell]

The e-mails and such will continue, I just deleted them or threw the mail in the shredder when I got them. I thought you finished your 8 year gig? Maybe I was mistaken. Anyways, I don't see them doing a muster anytime soon, not with an election coming up and the simple fact that they usually have them in the summer time. They send out the muster orders through the regular mail, no need to sign for it, also check AKO so no one gets surprised.

I got more emails today. I wish they would at least use the BCC line for emails. Holy cow I am getting th names of everyone returning from deployment! Isn't this an OPSEC issue here?

Yes, I finished my 8 years. I was done with that in 1988. I have my 20-year letter and in a few day will start my 29th year. My ETS is 2022. Yes I can put in to retire but they can still call me. Seems if I want that check at 60 I have to keep jumping.

[2YearsOrBust]

I got more emails today. I wish they would at least use the BCC line for emails. Holy cow I am getting th names of everyone returning from deployment! Isn't this an OPSEC issue here?

Yes, I finished my 8 years. I was done with that in 1988. I have my 20-year letter and in a few day will start my 29th year. My ETS is 2022. Yes I can put in to retire but they can still call me. Seems if I want that check at 60 I have to keep jumping.

God, no amount of money could have me being the Army's b*tch for the rest of my life. I mean can't you get an IRA account? Or build on your TSP for retirement? What a nightmare.

[astcell]

If I stayed active duty I can retire at 50%. If I get out and go back to my old job, I can retire at 100%.

Yea, Army retirement is a good augmentation, but not a sole income.

[Howie T.]

I went to the "accountability" muster on Saturday and the SFC told me the exact same thing. He also told me this when I set up the appointment. There were two guys there besides me in a very large city (Houston). One of the dudes was still all Army-hooah and stuff, standing at parade rest, calling him a sergeant, etc. I respect all those still in, but inactive buddy. Anyway, I smelled BS at what this guy was trying to sell me. He tried all the recruiter tricks (he told me several times he was NOT a recruiter, but he was retention - what's the difference???) like trying to rush me that there were only a few slots open, we talked to the trans sgt and he said he could put me in his platoon to "hide me away" till my obligation ends (10 months). He even tried to get me to fill out the 4187 form. I had none of that crap. I told him I wasn't gonna sign anything anytime soon. He kept blinking his eyes and stuttering while trying to convince me.

I had a bad vibe and didn't trust me. So this MSG Myers says the exact same stuff. I feel that he's trying to feed everyone what the Army wants to get soldiers back into the reserves. My question is is this legit? He really didn't explain it very well, and I'm sceptic, but would just like some advice. I'm a 92F (fueler with truck driving qual, so I might be screwed) who never went to Iraq or Afghan. He kept saying "they gonna get ya." Which I saw as scare tactics. I still want to know if this could be a good path though. What's with the 24 month overseas deferrement. Seems like they will still be able to control you if you join the Active Reserves. He kept talking about the TPU, but I took this as the ACTIVE Reserves, which means signing another contract.

Here is an update on my situation. I'm now under 2 months from finally being out for good. As far as I can tell (and what my hunch was) the whole thing is really just a recruiting ploy. The SGT gave me his card and told me about how I needed to contact him ASAP to "get a spot." A few days later, a recruiting SGT came to my house and asked for me, I told him I wasn't him and he left a card. Since then, I haven't gotten any correspondence. As one final kick in the ass, they "revoked" my orders and didn't pay me for the muster. My advice is to just ignore the damn thing if it came in regular mail, unless you want a recruiting speel or are desperate for the cash (good luck). It really isn't worth the time. Thanks for everyone who gave me their input and God (whoever he is) bless our troops over there and the citizens of Iraq who don't really want us there, but had no choice because one incompotent president is a bitch to the vice president.

[DaveP]

So I just got to the retraining site after being popped on IRR call up. I attended both musters at which an SRP was conducted. The SRP that is done during muster doesn't matter since they don't communicate at all with the people here. Also there seems to be no coorelation between attending muster and getting called back as most of the people here either ignored their orders or didn't get them. So there really doesn't seem to be any reason to go other than the money.

[2YearsOrBust]

How much longer did you have until you ETS'd, Dave? Also, I thought the whole deal with ignoring the musters was that it was essentially ignoring an ORDER and was sent certified mail and all that jazz, right? The people on here who "ignored" the muster, didn't exactly ignore it- they called and verified with a valid reason that they could not be present and so were excused. Two totally different things.

I have 6 months! Can you BELIEVE it? (knock on wood)

[ALPHA101]

So I just got to the retraining site after being popped on IRR call up. I attended both musters at which an SRP was conducted. The SRP that is done during muster doesn't matter since they don't communicate at all with the people here. Also there seems to be no coorelation between attending muster and getting called back as most of the people here either ignored their orders or didn't get them. So there really doesn't seem to be any reason to go other than the money.

What is/was your MOS?

[DaveP]

My MSO ended in Ocober of 2009. There are people here who were called back with as little as three months left in their MSO. I was out for roughly a year and a half. I'm an MP. We make up a pretty large percentage of the IRR people here. And in regards to ignoring the order vs. coming up with some reason you can't make it to the silly muster thing doesn't really matter. Everyone I talked to that didn't go straight up ignored the "order" and then it was deleted after they didn't show. It really doesn't matter either as we are all here together. We ship to retraining soon and then off to our unit. They are attatching all the RA soldiers to NG units. So if you get called back you're going to the NG for deployment unless you're retiree recall. And again, this is only my experience and what I've seen. I know this muster update thing kinda bled into the whole actual call up info, but I figure people looking for info the paths kinda cross.

[astcell]

DaveP, are you an officer? If your MSO ran out you can still be recalled unless you resign your commission. But I bet you knew that.

[DaveP]

Nope ast, just an E4. Majority of us here are. Most officers coming back in are the retiree recalls from what I've seen. They are hitting like 15 every two weeks i guess.

[astcell]

Nope ast, just an E4. Majority of us here are. Most officers coming back in are the retiree recalls from what I've seen. They are hitting like 15 every two weeks i guess.


When I got called up everyone was E-6 or greater in my area. E-5 and below were basically turned into 11B, we were all Civil Affairs. And yes we had officers who were surprised that they were still in.

I am debating going to Ret Res now. I can go back if I volunteer but they will not be able to call me, or so they say.

[Soaknfused]

Hi, this is my first visit to this site, and I see guest posting is available so i will take advantage of that feature. I finished my 6 year enlistment as an 11B in the national Guard in June, so I am 5 months into my 2 year IRR obligation. On veterans day I received orders that were dated November 5th (day after the election) instructing me to report to Ft. Jackson in January. I returned from Iraq almost 3 years and a few days ago. I have no problem going back, of course its not something that I had planned on or hoped for, but it is what it is. Ironically, another member from my unit who ETS'd in January of this year gave me a call and told me that he and his wife (i think shes was in a trans unit) both got called back from the IRR with orders dated Nov 5th and they are both instructed to go to Ft Jackson in January as well. I have been thinking, that is is rather strange that the day after the dems win the election that they send out recall notices.. I would really like to now how many were sent, if that number is extraordinary or just part of the deal. I can imagine a push to strengthen the troop counts prior to Obama taking office, as I am sure they assume the dems would never approve such a raise in numbers..

I would love to get opinions about this, and also any info that people may about what Ft Jackson is doing. I have read elsewhere that there is a lot of retraining from Infantry to other MOS's like CA etc.. I do not want to retrain to a different MOS, i picked Infantry because that was what I wanted to do, not because of any other reason and I would really rather not be forced into another MOS :-)

looking forward to any feedback.

[ALPHA101]

Hi, this is my first visit to this site, and I see guest posting is available so i will take advantage of that feature. I finished my 6 year enlistment as an 11B in the national Guard in June, so I am 5 months into my 2 year IRR obligation. On veterans day I received orders that were dated November 5th (day after the election) instructing me to report to Ft. Jackson in January. I returned from Iraq almost 3 years and a few days ago. I have no problem going back, of course its not something that I had planned on or hoped for, but it is what it is. Ironically, another member from my unit who ETS'd in January of this year gave me a call and told me that he and his wife (i think shes was in a trans unit) both got called back from the IRR with orders dated Nov 5th and they are both instructed to go to Ft Jackson in January as well. I have been thinking, that is is rather strange that the day after the dems win the election that they send out recall notices.. I would really like to now how many were sent, if that number is extraordinary or just part of the deal. I can imagine a push to strengthen the troop counts prior to Obama taking office, as I am sure they assume the dems would never approve such a raise in numbers..

I would love to get opinions about this, and also any info that people may about what Ft Jackson is doing. I have read elsewhere that there is a lot of retraining from Infantry to other MOS's like CA etc.. I do not want to retrain to a different MOS, i picked Infantry because that was what I wanted to do, not because of any other reason and I would really rather not be forced into another MOS :-)

looking forward to any feedback.

welcome the the board! there is another thread with alot of info on the IRR in case you would like to visit that here. i had a friend who got out and got orders for fort jackson. he was in the signal corp and he got sent home after two weeks because of his bum knee. i think the november swing was in the works even beofre the election and just for the reasons you stated...the dems willbe in charge. i highly doubt they will re-class you seeing you are an 11B. and not to be rude but that is probably why you got called up. i see alot of mps' and infantry being called up and any others are being re-classed to civil affairs.

if there is any advice i can give you it is this: the IRR is screwed up and it will be a mess at Fort Jackson and there is a website called "the command toc" which has alot of info for you. take care!

[beautty]

ya i have recieved the same orders that were dated nov 5, and I have to go to Fort Jackson I didnt recieve them as certified mail, but I did end up calling HRC,which I regret now . I asked this lady what about the height and weight standards and she said right now they are trying to get who ever they can. My MOS is 92F, but I was put into IRR 4 years ago, and I ETS march next year, and I will still have two more years. I am worried like all the other people and at this point I dont know if I should get the help of a lawyer to get exemption or what ???/

[beautty]

ya i have recieved the same orders that were dated nov 5, and I have to go to Fort Jackson I didnt recieve them as certified mail, but I did end up calling HRC,which I regret now . I asked this lady what about the height and weight standards and she said right now they are trying to get who ever they can. My MOS is 92F, but I was put into IRR 4 years ago, and I ETS march next year, and I will still have two more years. I am worried like all the other people and at this point I dont know if I should get the help of a lawyer to get exemption or what ???/

[astcell]

ya i have recieved the same orders that were dated nov 5, and I have to go to Fort Jackson I didnt recieve them as certified mail, but I did end up calling HRC,which I regret now . I asked this lady what about the height and weight standards and she said right now they are trying to get who ever they can. My MOS is 92F, but I was put into IRR 4 years ago, and I ETS march next year, and I will still have two more years. I am worried like all the other people and at this point I dont know if I should get the help of a lawyer to get exemption or what ???/


That's interesting, because after I did two tours back to back I tried for a third and I was denied. I wanted to stay in. So why do they let me out then call you in!

By the way when I mobilized I was 43 years old, 6'3, and 260 pounds. I was in the best shape of anyone in the barracks. Some folks were an easy 320 pounds. Do you know they make body armor that size!!!!

If you do not go when orders they simply amend the orders. They did that to me. March to July to September to December. An yes they take anyone unless you need lots of medical work.

So YES you need to ask for an exemption, but it needs to be a good reason from their view, not yours. My reasons were not good enough for them. And if they deny your exemption, you can appeal. There are stories here of successes, but they are few and far between.

Ooh 92F, they sure will love to get their paws on you. If you are lucky they will reclass you to 38B but that is for E5 and above only.

Stay in touch, please. I even checked this board regularly while downrange.

[beautty]

thanks for the reply..i will keep reading the posts

[redhat37]

So I have 3 years left in the IRR and was just diagnosed with OCD and put on medication for it. Now you're not even allowed to enlist while taking that kind of medicine, so how would that work if i got called up from irr? just show them i'm on medication that would prevent me from a enlistment?

[astcell]

So I have 3 years left in the IRR and was just diagnosed with OCD and put on medication for it. Now you're not even allowed to enlist while taking that kind of medicine, so how would that work if i got called up from irr? just show them i'm on medication that would prevent me from a enlistment?


You are already enlisted so it would not prevent you from that, but it may prevent you from being mobilized to active duty. For some things the Army will take a doctor's note, like if you are missing a leg or anything that anyone can deduce. But if your ailment is mental or unseen, the Army docs may want a crack at it. You have to consider things like is your condition permanent, how serious is it, etc.

Now, if you were on active duty and so diagnosed, would they discharge you or treat you? Remember you are already in the system, you are not trying to qualify to get in the system. (Sort of like the whales happily mobilized while weighing 320lbs who would never be considered upon an initial enlistment.)

[beautty]

i was wondering about the stabilization units, the recruiters came to my house and said that if I will drill with them I can get mobiliaztion defferment for 24 months, I only have two years left in IRR , I wanted an opinion on accepting this offer is this another catch , coz I am on orders, but two drills a month for two years doesnt sound too bad, just wanted to knwo what other people think ??

[redhat37]

You already got IRR orders to deploy or whatever? If thats what you ment, it's too late to join the guard for stabilization

[MICKEY121]

That Is Ok If Proper Training Is Available. How Can I Join The Irr

[MICKEY121]

Because They Raised The Age To 42 Iam Trying To Join The Irr

[former31B]

Why would you want to join the IRR? You can probably join a Guard or Reserve unit and be drilling next week (assuming you are prior service). If you are so intent of deploying, I'm sure they can find a spot for you with the next unit out of the door.

[cmalueg4]

I also got orders dated 5 Nov 08. I am a 63B. Anybody really know exactly what we have to do?

[xinfantry11b]

curious if there has been any more recent people who have just ignored mob. orders... what punishments recieved (if any other than an OTH)
i am requesting a deferrment for school...any advice? thanks

[WhySoSerious?]

curious if there has been any more recent people who have just ignored mob. orders... what punishments recieved (if any other than an OTH)
i am requesting a deferrment for school...any advice? thanks

A friend of mine (2 years left in IRR) received orders in March, ignored them, and was sent a notice stating he was in 'FTR' status and that if he continued to ignore the orders he would have his benefits (GI Bill, etc.) revoked. Thus, he's heading to Ft. Jackson in a couple weeks.

If you're planning to ask for an exemption, get references from as many people as possible. I'm not sure if 'school' is going to cut it, but when another friend of mine requested an exemption to take care of his wife (both of whom had been deployed together previously) - she was suffering from PTSD and such - he got letters from his old SGM, and other military folks (in addition to her doctor). He was discharged after a review of his exemption application. So, it does work :).

Good luck.

[MRMIXITUP]

I also got orders dated 5 Nov 08. I am a 63B. Anybody really know exactly what we have to do?

During my last deployment, 50% of our troops were IRR Recalled 11 Bravos. Our mission wound up being a Civil Affairs rotation in Afghanistan.

The good news is that all Reserve tours (including IRR Tours) are now limited to 400 days, usually with only 9 months being in country.

My guys weren't so lucky. Our deployment including mob and demob time was 22 months.

One thing is for sure: You 11 Bravo guys won't be doing Infantry since the Army Reserve doesn't have Infantry.

If it's a National Guard callup, however, you may be in trouble.

[MC123]

Earlier this year I received a personnal accountability muster. I went to that, and it was the basic record update and to try and convince to why I need to join the reserves. Now not even 8 months later I receive a 2nd muster order, however this time it is a unit affiliation muster.

First of all has anyone else received a unit affiliation muster and attended? If so, what did you do there and how long did it take?

My 2nd question is I thought these musters are only supposed to be done on a yearly basis? Are they referring to a physical 12 months apart, or just a year change (ie 08' to 09')? It's only been about 8 months since I've received my previous muster order.

I called the number on the orders to try and get an exemption, however they said that I would need a disability rating or 30% or higher to get it approved, and I only have 10%. Does anyone know anyway around this or of another way I can get an exemption approved?

Also I only have about 8 more months left in the IRR, I have been diagnosed with PTSD and I also have uncorrectable vision in one eye, is there any way I can get an early discharge date?

[MRMIXITUP]

curious if there has been any more recent people who have just ignored mob. orders... what punishments recieved (if any other than an OTH)
i am requesting a deferrment for school...any advice? thanks

Thankfully, the Army has hired so many incompetent civilians to run its Human Resources programs, nothing will happen to you because it takes too much work to actually discipline people that don't obey mob orders.

Go ahead and throw the orders in the trash, then whistle a jaunty tune, courtesy of U.S. Military incompetence!

[hockeyman7lw]

I just wanted to let everybody know that I got an exemption from my recall to active duty. Some tips for anybody that is going to file for an exemption, make sure you have plenty of documentation. For example, I filed for a medical exemption for asthma and sleep apnea so I got all my medical records from the VA, army, and civilian doctors together and pulled out the necessary documentation. I also contacted all the doctors that I was dealing with to write personal letters about my health. And finally, I even sent documentation on my wife and I going through a fertility doctor on how long we have been doing it, how much money we have spent on the process and doctors letters. All in all, I sent in 39 pages of solid documentation along with my other necessary paperwork required from the D&E team. I hope this helps anybody reading and if anybody has any other questions just reply because I check this message board daily.

[hockeyman7lw]

I just wanted to let everybody know that I got an exemption from my recall to active duty. Some tips for anybody that is going to file for an exemption, make sure you have plenty of documentation. For example, I filed for a medical exemption for asthma and sleep apnea so I got all my medical records from the VA, army, and civilian doctors together and pulled out the necessary documentation. I also contacted all the doctors that I was dealing with to write personal letters about my health. And finally, I even sent documentation on my wife and I going through a fertility doctor on how long we have been doing it, how much money we have spent on the process and doctors letters. All in all, I sent in 39 pages of solid documentation along with my other necessary paperwork required from the D&E team. I hope this helps anybody reading and if anybody has any other questions just reply because I check this message board daily.

[MRMIXITUP]

I just wanted to let everybody know that I got an exemption from my recall to active duty. Some tips for anybody that is going to file for an exemption, make sure you have plenty of documentation. For example, I filed for a medical exemption for asthma and sleep apnea so I got all my medical records from the VA, army, and civilian doctors together and pulled out the necessary documentation. I also contacted all the doctors that I was dealing with to write personal letters about my health. And finally, I even sent documentation on my wife and I going through a fertility doctor on how long we have been doing it, how much money we have spent on the process and doctors letters. All in all, I sent in 39 pages of solid documentation along with my other necessary paperwork required from the D&E team. I hope this helps anybody reading and if anybody has any other questions just reply because I check this message board daily.

You could have also done this:

SOLDIER: Hello, Human Resources Command?
HRC Voicemail: We're sorry. Everyone is currently out to lunch. Please call back in 3 hours.
(3 hours later)
SOLDIER: Hello, Human Resources Command?
HRC Voicemail: We're sorry. Everyone is currently out to their second lunch. Please call back in another 3 hours.
(Another 3 hours later)
SOLDIER: Hello, Human Resources Command?
HRC Voicemail: We're sorry. Our offices are now closed for the day. Please call back tomorrow.
(Next day)
SOLDIER: Hello, Human Resources Command?
HRC Voicemail: We're sorry, our offices are closed in honor of St. Valentine's Day. Please call back on Monday as we are also observing a four day weekend.
(Next week)
SOLDIER: Hello, Human Resources Command?
HRC Civilian: Yes, hello?
SOLDIER: Yes, I just got these orders in the mail, and I wanted to let you know I don't plan on showing up.
HRC Civilian: Well sir, if that's the case, then we're going to do to you exactly what we did to all the enlisted Soldiers called up in 2004 that didn't show up.
SOLDIER: Really? What's that?
HRC Civilian: Absolutely nothing! Ha! Bet you thought you were in trouble, huh?
SOLDIER: Yea! I sure did! You really had me going there!
HRC Civilian: Yea, we usually send 4 times the number of orders than people we need, and when the typical 1 in 4 idiots show up, we just mobilize them and nothing happens to the people that don't show because we're way too lazy to do anything about it!
SOLDIER: Thank God for military outsourcing! Have a great day, ma'am.
HRC Civilian: You, too! And thanks for serving!

[CommandoAir]

Need HELP!!!
Only had 6 MONTHS left in my IRR Obligation and guess what!!! Received orders to report to a military base for 25 days where after, I would be giving a active duty station.
Should I file an exception in order to complete my senior year of college or just ignore the orders and hopefully get discharge in the incoming 6 months left in the IRR??

[fallout]

Start building your case to file for an exemption. What's your MOS BTW?

[CommandoAir]

Going to wait and see what else I can put in my exception file besides College. BTW my MOS is 11C. I see other posts of people ignoring these MOD orders so I dunno what I should do???

[fenway]

I tdoesn't sound like you got called to muster...you got called up.

read the regs and build your file, I would find a loophole before you go ...if you don't want to go

[BCline26]

I also just got the fed-ex recall orders from the IRR and I'm in my senior year of college and out of the IRR in 8 months. i was also an 11C. just got engaged too. Man this sucks!

[redhat37]

I'm a 11C, didn't get recalled though. Best advice is to just ignore the recall. If fedex or post man comes to your door saying you gotta sign for it, don't. Refuse to sign for it. You'll get letters saying they'll change your discharge to w/e if you don't show up, but they most likely wont change it.

Did you know only 51% of people recalled show up?

[ra1]

Survival Guide for Veterans

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/19/opinion/19fri2.html

This is a free online publication that tries to get through the bureaucracy. Find at Veterans for America:

http://www.veteransforamerica.org/

[dgaf]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. I wasn't even surprised when I got the recall orders. The army never ceases to disappoint and let me down. Seeing as I am "under circumstances of extreme hardship and physical inability" I am looking into deferment or exemption. The orders point me to www.hrc.army.mil but unsurprisingly that address gives a page load error. Any idea where I can find more information on the process or application forms?

[smarg]

Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. I wasn't even surprised when I got the recall orders. The army never ceases to disappoint and let me down. Seeing as I am "under circumstances of extreme hardship and physical inability" I am looking into deferment or exemption. The orders point me to www.hrc.army.mil but unsurprisingly that address gives a page load error. Any idea where I can find more information on the process or application forms?

Oh, don't fret. Eighteen more months is all. You can do it standing on your head. Think of the money. Think of the adventure. Think of the lifelong friendships.

[ALPHA101]

Oh, don't fret. Eighteen more months is all. You can do it standing on your head. Think of the money. Think of the adventure. Think of the lifelong friendships.

Screw that! I would file of a delay and exemption just to piss them off and then proceed to bury them in paperwork. The army and this phony global war on terrorism is a joke. I will be glad, as with alot of other people, when the president with the D- grade point average is out of office.

[SGT. Finished]

Hey everyone,

I'm new to the forum and have briefly read through a lot of the posts. I am currently in the IRR and served 2 tours in Iraq. The first was during the initial push to Baghdad in 2003. The second was from Jan 2005 to Jan 2006. I was an 11B and I just received mobilization orders to deploy back to Iraq. I am 80% service connected through the VA and I am one semester away from completing an associates of science degree. I had every intention of transferring to a four year university but until/unless I get a delay or an exemption, that will not happen. I will keep everyone updated, win,lose, or draw. Please feel free to ask any questions along the way. Thanks to everyone here for your service.

[ALPHA101]

Hey everyone,

I'm new to the forum and have briefly read through a lot of the posts. I am currently in the IRR and served 2 tours in Iraq. The first was during the initial push to Baghdad in 2003. The second was from Jan 2005 to Jan 2006. I was an 11B and I just received mobilization orders to deploy back to Iraq. I am 80% service connected through the VA and I am one semester away from completing an associates of science degree. I had every intention of transferring to a four year university but until/unless I get a delay or an exemption, that will not happen. I will keep everyone updated, win,lose, or draw. Please feel free to ask any questions along the way. Thanks to everyone here for your service.

I read on another board that you should have all of your medical documentation for your packet. if you trust them to look at the VA paperwork only then you might have alot of problems. did you go to any of the musters? if so you should also check to see, if on your AKO acount in the my medical readiness section, whether they gave you a medical non-deployable profile. that may help as well. just a suggestion. talk to you later!

[SGT. Finished]

Hey Alpha,

I actually went to a muster earlier this year, March I think. The NCO I had an appointment with decided to take some leave and didn't bother to call and let me know. After asking around another NCO sent me to another recruiting station to see a "qualified" NCO. When I got there I handed in the packet with all of the information that they wanted (Service connection proof, direct deposit information, etc). The recruiter said that the only thing he needed was my direct deposit information and a few other pieces of paperwork, none of which had anything to do with the medical stuff (surprise surprise). I asked for a copy of the paper that had both of our signatures that proved I was there. Good thing I did because a few months later HRC called me up asking why I was a no-show. I sent them the paperwork and never heard back until I got these orders. They still haven't paid me for the muster. AKO says I'm a go for deployment. I've already got a letter from my Psych and will be requesting my medical records from the VA on Monday. If I don't get the records fast enough that's ok, I have 90% of them already. Still trying to get a hold of the D&E department at HRC. Keep getting voice mail.

[fenway]

I would contact your local representatice also, just in case. ask if they know someone who can advocate for you or can un-screw the wheels of bueracracy. It doesn't sound like you are deployable but still.

I advise everyone to save all documents

[xinfantry11b]

trying not to sound redundant, but does anyone know if the 'oth' discharge is still the current path taken for those who are ignoring mob. orders? from what i've been reading it seems the only 'benefit' i would be losing is a military paid burial.... any news???

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

with an other than honorable discharge, you are losing your educational and VA benefits as well. You get nothing. I dont know if that is the path being taken but everybody understands the contract when they sign on the dotted line so any repercusion shouldnt be a surprise.

[former31B]

with an other than honorable discharge, you are losing your educational and VA benefits as well. You get nothing. I dont know if that is the path being taken but everybody understands the contract when they sign on the dotted line so any repercusion shouldnt be a surprise.

This is at least partially inaccurate. I know for a fact that if a person completes an active duty enlistment qualifying them for the GI Bill, an OTH discharge from the IRR will not affect it. I have verified this with the VA. Your other VA benefits may be affected by an OTH as the result of ignoring a recall notice.

AN OTH discharge is a possible repercussion of ignoring orders. Whether you will receive one or not seems to depend on the luck of the draw. Some people claim nothing will happen while others report having received an OTH.

[sjyoung116]

I have a question for anyone that has been reactivated from the IRR. I got my orders not too long ago and will be heading to Benning in a few weeks. I bought alot of my own gear during and after my first tour in Iraq and am curious If I should bring this stuff with me, or will I have a chance to go home and get this before reporting to the nancy girl unit I am being attached too?(yeah, not happy about that part) And what about stuff like multitools? (form says no weapons or blades, cant imagine being in the army without my gerber)

Any other heads up on what to expect would be nice too.

[xinfantry11b]

it seems it is the army's typical way of dealing with things... give out only tidbits of information, make sure they conflict with each other (IE: an article saying IRR will not be punished, then another saying they will be declared awol) then leave the rest up to people who really aren't aware of what is happening to start rumors.... damn

[dwagner1111]

has anyone ever been reactivated ..showed up at the mobilization station.....processed...and then being told they can all go home?

[dwagner1111]

Having 11 months left in the IRR and just now getting orders being recalled to duty....anyone know how it would work out it i told them I was gay?

[stop-loss]

I got an idea you join up and quit telling our youth to do the job you should have done. We wouldn't be here in thir situation tody if the previous generations had stepped up and done their duty and not been GREEDY! Corporate greeed! ERON! Comeon man Wake up!

WOW, did you ever serve in the military? Did you ever serve 18 months in Iraq? Have your friends killed, maimed? I was once one of those guys who believed in his country and it's leadership. But I saw too many things while over there that didn't make sense.
Do you still use oil from overseas? Gas? Then you support terrorism and the men who created this war and enlisted our young men to fight their war as their "corporate security force". They made billions in profits last year and didn't have to pay anything for the "private american military/security" protecting their ass.
Have you ever been to Kuwait or Saudi Arabia and seen the gold palaces they live in? From our wealth. Their children will be living off our dollars for generations to come.
WAKE UP AMERICA! YOU GOT SOLD A BILL OF GOODS! We lost our jobs to Mexico and China. When was the last product you bought made by your neighbor, really made in the US? ALL YOUR CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS AND ADMINISTRATION ARE SELL OUTS!
I got a letter last week from the NC Commerce Dept saying they are having a furniture show in Shanghi, China. What the hell is going on?
I wouldn't have said this 5 years ago. But the truth when really looked at and accepted hurts. ANd this IS the reality, there's nothing we can do.
So I and trying to be the best husband and father I can be praying this war will be over and my friends can come home to their families alive and well.
And why are we losing this war, because POGUE officers like the one above who said their little statement. How about when Shinseki's of the Army who wanted more troops and Rumsfeld said no. Then they "got rid of him". have you noticed that there is a new general every 6 months now? because they can't fix it, then they get fired. So sad, so sad. When will we put Rumsfeld and others like him. . .their feet to the fire!

I agree my man. I was involved with the invasion in 2003 and I never thought 6 years later I would be going back. I don’t think people understand that there are men over there fighting this endless goat f*** who were 12 years old when it started.

So now Im in a national guard unit who is just checking their boxes to deploy so the full time AGR officers can suck someones brass di** and have some better AGR slot at HQ when they get back. It’s a shame the best our country can give their young soldiers is three months of training on throwing hand grenades they wont be issued, planting claymores they wont have, and dawning NBC mask they wont carry. Then what, we go train an Iraqi Military force with the useless knowledge we've received and in the end wonder why its all jacked up. I pray to god every day that someone stops this sh**. I used to be so proud of my country and the USA but after the last 6 years of this worthless war and criminal use and loss of young brave men and after 15 years in the military Im calling it quits after this. Id rather have my integrity then their retirement

Who would’ve thought all those people who said this was going to be just like Vietnam would be right. You look at the history of the vietnam war and the Iraq war and the similarities are eery

[bradorr5943]

Irr call up, I have received orders a few weeks ago that tell me to report to Fort Jackson . Does anyone know how it works from there. I know I have to do all the SRP crap and basic training type stuff but not sure from there. I shouldnt have to go to an MOS refresher as I came in the Army years ago under civilian aquired skills, anyways not quite sure what happens after Fort Jackson do I deploy at that time do I go home to return on a different date? I found on the internet that they send people to the unit for unit training, but they are in Nebraska and I live in Houston Texas with 4 kids and a wife. Any have any ideas? Just trying to figure out what happens before it actually happens. I knew I shouldnt have opened that letter and called HRC to inform them they made a mistake. And they DENIED my expemtion request. A$$HOLES!!!

If anyone can give me an intellgent answer to any of this drop me an email at bradley.orr1@us.army.mil

[dwagner1111]

Can you or anyone send me the letters you send requestion an exception or a delay...I can be reached at dwagner1111@comcast.net. Thanks much. I am not one to duck my responsibilities..just that its a been there done it. Five years active duty with the 10th mtn div...two tours of duty in Afghanistan along the boarder with the Packs. With 11 months left of my irr, its just time they let me move on with my new life. Thanks in advance for anyone that can send me an example or two.

[ryan42680]

I actually have run into a situation which I don't know what to think about it. I was hoping someone had some answers here. I'm new to this forum, and so far seems like a good place for answers to some real scenarios.

I served in the MA National Gaurd for my 6 years, and most recently was deployed to Kosovo for a total of an 18 month deployment, from pre-mob to train-up, to overseas ftx in Germany, the 12 month deployment for Operation Joint Gaurdian/KFOR 8, and demob. I am a 21B but was in theater ILO MP. Anyhow, I did my 6, and ETSed in October of '08. I ot a call in December from an NCO in the IRR career counciling section updating my info by phone (kinda wish I had ignred that call!) I then recently got a call from a career counciler in the Reserves telling me "my file is under review". I was told that although Obama pledged during his campaign to have a troop drawdown overseas, he since changed his plans and now intends to devote another 35,000 troops to OIF/OEF. Because of this, 4300 IRR soldiers thoughout the country will be called to active duty because senior commanders in the DOD are worried we don't have enough troops as is. And I am apparently one of these 4300 IRR soldiers having their files under review. So I was told by this career counciler that if I want to avoid another deployment, then I need to sign a one year contract with the Reserves, and the contract will state I am non-deployable, by completing one year of Reserve duty I will satisfy my 2 year IRR and will no longer be on contract, and at anytime I can leave the Reserve and go back to IRR status. I was even told I would really only need to serve 8 drill weekends rather than 12 because out - processing paper work is done 90 days before the contract is up, so I could "blow it off" and even though the Commander or 1SG would be pissed for me blowing it off, there's nothing they could do. If you ask me, that doesn't sound very honorable, and I was appauled that this counciler would even suggest me doing that.

My questions are first, does this sound more like a scare tactic to get me to sign? The career counciler says he's not wth any MA Reserve unit in particular, and even tried to find me a home in NH, so I don't know if he would benefit from getting me to sign, seeing as he's not a recruiter/retention NCO.

Secondly, what's with the offers for a custom tailored contract? It almost sounds like he was selling me a product rather than finding ways for me to avoid MOB. I mentioned to him if I needed to resign to avoind MOB, I would just resign with my old NG unit where I know my role and know the faces and would reintegrate easier than going to a Reserve unit where I don't know anyone or what is expected of me.

I have heard of a few others that were in my situation that got screwed by resigning similar contracts, and quite frankly, I'm done signing contracts with Uncle Sam. I honored my 6 active, yet the Army came up $4000 short on my student loan repayment program; after 4 years of recieving the payments, they said wait, we don't pay on private student loans, sorry.

I guess I have a few options. A. sign this one year reserve contract and hope it doesn't come back to bite me. B. sign a one year Gaurd contract, but my old unit I would go back to is MOBing for Iraq so the next few months would be MUTA 8s all over the place, a 2 week AT, a one week FTX, etc. or C. do nothing and hope I don't get called but realize I may.

My situation is I'm an apprentice fire sprinkler fitter with about 7000 of my 8000 required on the job training hours for my licence, I missed 3000 by going to Kosovo so I shoulda had the lic. by now, I'm engaged, and I'm about to buy a home.

Anyone here of these "offers" by career councilers, or anyone with similar experiences? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

-Ryan

[irr captain]

I actually have run into a situation which I don't know what to think about it. I was hoping someone had some answers here. I'm new to this forum, and so far seems like a good place for answers to some real scenarios.

I served in the MA National Gaurd for my 6 years, and most recently was deployed to Kosovo for a total of an 18 month deployment, from pre-mob to train-up, to overseas ftx in Germany, the 12 month deployment for Operation Joint Gaurdian/KFOR 8, and demob. I am a 21B but was in theater ILO MP. Anyhow, I did my 6, and ETSed in October of '08. I ot a call in December from an NCO in the IRR career counciling section updating my info by phone (kinda wish I had ignred that call!) I then recently got a call from a career counciler in the Reserves telling me "my file is under review". I was told that although Obama pledged during his campaign to have a troop drawdown overseas, he since changed his plans and now intends to devote another 35,000 troops to OIF/OEF. Because of this, 4300 IRR soldiers thoughout the country will be called to active duty because senior commanders in the DOD are worried we don't have enough troops as is. And I am apparently one of these 4300 IRR soldiers having their files under review. So I was told by this career counciler that if I want to avoid another deployment, then I need to sign a one year contract with the Reserves, and the contract will state I am non-deployable, by completing one year of Reserve duty I will satisfy my 2 year IRR and will no longer be on contract, and at anytime I can leave the Reserve and go back to IRR status. I was even told I would really only need to serve 8 drill weekends rather than 12 because out - processing paper work is done 90 days before the contract is up, so I could "blow it off" and even though the Commander or 1SG would be pissed for me blowing it off, there's nothing they could do. If you ask me, that doesn't sound very honorable, and I was appauled that this counciler would even suggest me doing that.

My questions are first, does this sound more like a scare tactic to get me to sign? The career counciler says he's not wth any MA Reserve unit in particular, and even tried to find me a home in NH, so I don't know if he would benefit from getting me to sign, seeing as he's not a recruiter/retention NCO.

Secondly, what's with the offers for a custom tailored contract? It almost sounds like he was selling me a product rather than finding ways for me to avoid MOB. I mentioned to him if I needed to resign to avoind MOB, I would just resign with my old NG unit where I know my role and know the faces and would reintegrate easier than going to a Reserve unit where I don't know anyone or what is expected of me.

I have heard of a few others that were in my situation that got screwed by resigning similar contracts, and quite frankly, I'm done signing contracts with Uncle Sam. I honored my 6 active, yet the Army came up $4000 short on my student loan repayment program; after 4 years of recieving the payments, they said wait, we don't pay on private student loans, sorry.

I guess I have a few options. A. sign this one year reserve contract and hope it doesn't come back to bite me. B. sign a one year Gaurd contract, but my old unit I would go back to is MOBing for Iraq so the next few months would be MUTA 8s all over the place, a 2 week AT, a one week FTX, etc. or C. do nothing and hope I don't get called but realize I may.

My situation is I'm an apprentice fire sprinkler fitter with about 7000 of my 8000 required on the job training hours for my licence, I missed 3000 by going to Kosovo so I shoulda had the lic. by now, I'm engaged, and I'm about to buy a home.

Anyone here of these "offers" by career councilers, or anyone with similar experiences? Any advice is appreciated. Thanks.

-Ryan

IRR career counselors are recruiters with a different name. They don't know that your file is under review. I doubt they are that squared away to review files before mobilizing you.

There are policies that allow you to join a reserve unit, reduce you commitment, and keep you from deploying, but I would be skeptical about whether they are honored, or whether you would be stop lossed just before getting out.

As you probably know already, they still are mobilizing people from the IRR. I got orders in December to report in Feb, to deploy to Iraq with the PA NG 56th Stryker Brigade. I am in my last semester of school, which really messes up my plans. Sometimes I wish I had joined a reserve unit, but hindsight is 20-20.

[SGT. Finished]

Hey everyone,

I'm new to the forum and have briefly read through a lot of the posts. I am currently in the IRR and served 2 tours in Iraq. The first was during the initial push to Baghdad in 2003. The second was from Jan 2005 to Jan 2006. I was an 11B and I just received mobilization orders to deploy back to Iraq. I am 80% service connected through the VA and I am one semester away from completing an associates of science degree. I had every intention of transferring to a four year university but until/unless I get a delay or an exemption, that will not happen. I will keep everyone updated, win,lose, or draw. Please feel free to ask any questions along the way. Thanks to everyone here for your service.


Hey Alpha,

I actually went to a muster earlier this year, March I think. The NCO I had an appointment with decided to take some leave and didn't bother to call and let me know. After asking around another NCO sent me to another recruiting station to see a "qualified" NCO. When I got there I handed in the packet with all of the information that they wanted (Service connection proof, direct deposit information, etc). The recruiter said that the only thing he needed was my direct deposit information and a few other pieces of paperwork, none of which had anything to do with the medical stuff (surprise surprise). I asked for a copy of the paper that had both of our signatures that proved I was there. Good thing I did because a few months later HRC called me up asking why I was a no-show. I sent them the paperwork and never heard back until I got these orders. They still haven't paid me for the muster. AKO says I'm a go for deployment. I've already got a letter from my Psych and will be requesting my medical records from the VA on Monday. If I don't get the records fast enough that's ok, I have 90% of them already. Still trying to get a hold of the D&E department at HRC. Keep getting voice mail.

Hey everyone,

Here's the update. So I finally got in touch with the delay and exemption department at HRC. They sent an email to me that contained a memorandum that I had to sign, a release of medical information form (DD Form 2870), an informational sheet and a power point slide that shows how to check your packet's status. The memorandum was addressed to the commander and basically stated that I understood that if they did grant me an exemption I could be discharged or transferred back into the IRR. The informational sheet basically stated their hours of operation and repeats the information in the power point slide. I called and confirmed that they received the packet. I was told that I was not to report until I receive a decision from command. As I understand it, this is standard for all packets that are submitted. As soon as I have a decision or if they ask for more paperwork I will update again. As always, if anyone has questions feel free to ask.

[blah333]

305 days and a wakeup !!!

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :

[blah333]

304 days and a wakeup.

tick tock.

[2YearsOrBust]

107 days and a wakeup!!! :cool:

[blah333]

dude you suck so bad!!

that was just wrong!

107 days till what? u in iraq right now?

im talking till the contract ends...

i already did my 2 years. and 6 months stop loss.

leave me alone army. move on.

hahahahhahah

:D :D




OIF 1, OIF 3,
1st baby :)
crazy euro wife
33rd Civilian Regiment

[blah333]

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[astcell]

has anyone ever been reactivated ..showed up at the mobilization station.....processed...and then being told they can all go home?

Some go home for medical reasons on day one. Show up with your dialysis machine, etc. Others go home after some bit of in-processing. Just like in basic training, not everyone makes the cut.



Having 11 months left in the IRR and just now getting orders being recalled to duty....anyone know how it would work out it i told them I was gay?

With the new POTUS you may get a special ribbon to wear.



Irr call up, I have received orders a few weeks ago that tell me to report to Fort Jackson . Does anyone know how it works from there. I know I have to do all the SRP crap and basic training type stuff but not sure from there. I shouldnt have to go to an MOS refresher as I came in the Army years ago under civilian aquired skills, anyways not quite sure what happens after Fort Jackson do I deploy at that time do I go home to return on a different date? I found on the internet that they send people to the unit for unit training, but they are in Nebraska and I live in Houston Texas with 4 kids and a wife. Any have any ideas? Just trying to figure out what happens before it actually happens. I knew I shouldnt have opened that letter and called HRC to inform them they made a mistake. And they DENIED my expemtion request. A$$HOLES!!!

If anyone can give me an intellgent answer to any of this drop me an email at bradley.orr1@us.army.mil


E-mail on the way!

[blah333]

the army is meeting and exceeding its recruitment goals!!!!

happy days are here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

woohoooooooooooooooooooo

all of you go sign up now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ill drive you there.

[CommandoAir]

:confused:
Anybody been granted a delay or exemption due to senior in college??
Only 4 months left in IRR and got call up?? HELP

[SGT. Finished]

Hey all,

I got the phone call from HRC this morning. My request for an exemption to my mobilization orders has been granted. I should get the official papers in 7-10 days. Also, according to the SSG. that I spoke with, I am being discharged from the Army. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me and I will do what I can to help. Thanks for reading and good luck to all of you.

[SGT. Finished]

Hey Commando,

I haven't heard of anyone getting an exemption based on their status in school (Med-students maybe). Your only four months out? See if you can get a delay, but apply for an exemption. Maybe you can delay them until your time is up but I don't know if that actually gets you out of your orders. Are you service connected through the VA for anything? If not, get registered, get in contact with a Veteran Service Officer to help you out (American Legion, VFW, etc) and apply for compensation. Also, load up your request for an exemption with every possible reason you can. Good luck and keep us informed.

[blah333]

just out of curiosity...

when you have finished with the IRR do they give you an AAM or something when u get out of the army for good??

ive been to all my musters (2 so far) and was very polite an even called everyone SGT etc....

[spcupyurs]

Hey all,

I got the phone call from HRC this morning. My request for an exemption to my mobilization orders has been granted. I should get the official papers in 7-10 days. Also, according to the SSG. that I spoke with, I am being discharged from the Army. If anyone has any questions please feel free to contact me and I will do what I can to help. Thanks for reading and good luck to all of you.


Do you mind me asking what the basis for the granted exemption was? I hav received two different orders for muster in the past. Showed up at one and the second got an exemption for and then the third I didn't respond to. Then shortly afterwards I received Deployment orders...We just overnighted our packet to HRC waiting to see how long it takes...

[astcell]

Yes if they grant your exemption they may discharge you since you are really of no use to them. That should not really matter unles you have your 20 years in or plan to get 20 years in.

[SGT. Finished]

Hey Spc,

While I am not sure about the exact reasoning for my exemption I will bet that it had to do with my 80% service connection through the VA. It took about two and a half weeks from fax to decision for me. It sounds like you have already contacted the D&E department and have all the necessary paperwork. I wish you luck, please keep us updated on the results and any details that you feel might be helpful to others in the same position.

[spcupyurs]

I would like to make a VERY important note to anyone sending Delay and Exemption paperwork. I sent mine via Fedex Overnight with Signature required AND United States Postal Service OVERNIGHT and Fedex made it on time and the Postal service is ALREADY a day late in delivering it and I was told they are not sure where my packet is. Just a HEADS UP send it more than one way. We even sent it a few days early thank goodness!! Remember request a signature on it no exempting the signature!

[ALPHA101]

I would like to make a VERY important note to anyone sending Delay and Exemption paperwork. I sent mine via Fedex Overnight with Signature required AND United States Postal Service OVERNIGHT and Fedex made it on time and the Postal service is ALREADY a day late in delivering it and I was told they are not sure where my packet is. Just a HEADS UP send it more than one way. We even sent it a few days early thank goodness!! Remember request a signature on it no exempting the signature!

the post office has been slacking alot lately regarding package deliveries and they said it is because of cutbacks due to the economy....i think they are full of it. just beware when you send something out.

[spcupyurs]

Package has been located but STILL not delivered so I am really glad we overnighted via fedex as well..We even faxed the 25 page packet in to them. I was told "Just because you have a confirmation of delivery and a signature doesn't mean we got it" . Hmm...Yeah that comment is completely untrue :) I was told to "fax it to make sure we get it on time" yeah you received in enough time anything I can do to run the clock down while waiting on the official word...


the post office has been slacking alot lately regarding package deliveries and they said it is because of cutbacks due to the economy....i think they are full of it. just beware when you send something out.

[HeyThere]

I just got off the phone with the exemption extention with HRC. The guy says i have to fax everything by next friday... My orders say I have to report three weeks after i got them... Is it me or are these time tables incredibly short? Also, when I asked for the mailing address in addition to the fax number he said just send it to the address on the orders... Does anyone have a better address or any additional information?

[blah333]

do we get an AAM when we get out of the IRR??

cause i wold like another one for the work ive done in the IRR.

is there a burger king coupon printed on the back of the AAM?

i hope it discoutns a whopper meal.

[ALPHA101]

I just got off the phone with the exemption extention with HRC. The guy says i have to fax everything by next friday... My orders say I have to report three weeks after i got them... Is it me or are these time tables incredibly short? Also, when I asked for the mailing address in addition to the fax number he said just send it to the address on the orders... Does anyone have a better address or any additional information?

That is one of the way they get you by making the time gaps small so no one can respond. They hope you will just give in and show up. I cannot help you with the address but as stated before in other posts you should get a signature. Faxing is just another way for them to say "oops we did not get your paperwork".
Stick to your guns and do not let them push you around regarding anything, the more you cover your bases the better off you are. "Google" has a good IRR board and you can sign up for free if you want information from others that are not on the board.

[blah333]

does all the directional audio and other harassment stop when i get our of the army??

will the citienze of st.pete, florida become nice law abiding citizens again??

will the police department of st. pete, florida stop interfacing with the military networks??

has anyone red the FBI report on military networks and gangs dated november 2007?

does the police know they are actively interfacing with a military "gang" network?

i dont think they know.

the FBI needs to stop in and clean house with the military network and the police department.

clean house.

do people know this is america?????

do people know what the constitution says?

does the army actually care about the contract i signed? i fulfilled my end.

in no terms did it state that i would be harassed for 3-4 years after i got out with real people on the ground and audio and other things........

maybe its a cavalry thing?

i dunno.

[blah333]

ill let you all know at the end of the year when i get out how it goes....

if it stops, then we know whats up.....

ill keep posting here.

i think its pretty pathetic they gotta do all this crap to get 1 person to join up!!!

thats pathetic.

[blah333]

"smart, stupid........ im the guy who aint joining the army".

modified quote from army of darkness.

[SGT. Finished]

Got the memorandum today in the mail. The memorandum reads as follows:

Subject: Request for Exemption from Active Duty

1. Under the provisions of AR 601-25, Chapter 4, your request for exemption is approved.

2. As a result of this approved exemption from active duty, your status in the Army Reserve must be changed. Based on the circumstances of your exemption request, you will be discharged in accordance with AR 601-25, paragraph 4-11.

3. You should retain this memorandum until you receive orders revoking your call to active duty and the orders discharging you from the United States Army Reserve.

4. Inquiries concerning this matter should be directed to the Delay and Exemption Team, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, at 1 (800) 325-4361, option 2.

So I have one question. Will I still be in the IRR after I receive these orders discharging me from the United States Army Reserve? Thanks for reading.

[HeyThere]

Got the memorandum today in the mail. The memorandum reads as follows:

Subject: Request for Exemption from Active Duty

1. Under the provisions of AR 601-25, Chapter 4, your request for exemption is approved.

2. As a result of this approved exemption from active duty, your status in the Army Reserve must be changed. Based on the circumstances of your exemption request, you will be discharged in accordance with AR 601-25, paragraph 4-11.

3. You should retain this memorandum until you receive orders revoking your call to active duty and the orders discharging you from the United States Army Reserve.

4. Inquiries concerning this matter should be directed to the Delay and Exemption Team, U.S. Army Human Resources Command-St. Louis, at 1 (800) 325-4361, option 2.

So I have one question. Will I still be in the IRR after I receive these orders discharging me from the United States Army Reserve? Thanks for reading.



As I understand it, you MAY be in the IRR after you receive your orders. They will make the determination and it should say on your orders. Or you maybe still be eligible for the retired reserve, whatever that is. Plus, you know how the army just wants quantity- you may be another number on their list for a short time.

[spcupyurs]

My AKO account shows that I have a D&E Case Open and says not to report until I receive a decision from the Commander. I still have a few tricks up my sleeve for an appeal if it is denied. I have medical records that I remembered existed and thankfully I mentioned the problem I was having in my paperwork. Remember even if you do not have the exact paperwork for the problem as of yet to mention it because once you write your letter you can not add issues or problems you can only elaborate or provide further documentation on appeal.

Ie if you mention in your original letter you are having severe back problems and had to have surgery or some other thing but you later realize you need to add in that you have PTSD you cant add that later so mention it with the first letter you write even if you don't have your hands on the docs for it yet. If you are still waiting on past records from Docs like I was.

Oh and no I haven't received my first response yet from the Army...WE shall see.

[karinp30]

Maybe I should call over to the D&E Team. I sent in my exemption packet in August. I still have not heard anything. My report date just keeps getting pushed back every month or so. It's been 6 months. Certainly, they've had enough time to process a packet. Of course, my packet is probably on the bottom of some knucklehead's desk. :rolleyes:

[SGT. Finished]

Maybe I should call over to the D&E Team. I sent in my exemption packet in August. I still have not heard anything. My report date just keeps getting pushed back every month or so. It's been 6 months. Certainly, they've had enough time to process a packet. Of course, my packet is probably on the bottom of some knucklehead's desk. :rolleyes:

Absolutely! As I understand it, their policy is that they have 30 days to make a decision. Of course they could just say that your case is "complex" and that your case is an exception to the policy. Keeping you on the hook that long must be very stressful. Let us know how it goes.

[karinp30]

Well, the lady I talked to today said that the standard processing time is 6-10 months. :eek:

Hmmmm. Let's see, so if they were/are actually going to deploy me with this unit that they've assigned me to... They take 10 months to process a packet and it's a one year deployment... That doesn't really pass the common sense test, now does it? They obviously don't need me that bad if they take this long to decide on my packet.

I'm trying not to worry too much. I don't have a family care plan. So, worse comes to worse, I guess the kids (toddler and infant) and I will show up at Ft. Jackson. If the Army wants to send me to Afghanistan, they'll have to start making some ACUS in sizes 12 month & 3T. :D My little girl could probably out run some of the NCOs. ;) (I'm completely joking by the way... about taking the kids to Afghanistan.... not about my girl's running abilities. LOL :D :D )

[blah333]

Well, the lady I talked to today said that the standard processing time is 6-10 months. :eek:

Hmmmm. Let's see, so if they were/are actually going to deploy me with this unit that they've assigned me to... They take 10 months to process a packet and it's a one year deployment... That doesn't really pass the common sense test, now does it? They obviously don't need me that bad if they take this long to decide on my packet.

I'm trying not to worry too much. I don't have a family care plan. So, worse comes to worse, I guess the kids (toddler and infant) and I will show up at Ft. Jackson. If the Army wants to send me to Afghanistan, they'll have to start making some ACUS in sizes 12 month & 3T. :D My little girl could probably out run some of the NCOs. ;) (I'm completely joking by the way... about taking the kids to Afghanistan.... not about my girl's running abilities. LOL :D :D )

dude dont do that... theyll prolly make your kids enlist too.

i wish i was joking.

[Briar]

I've been out for three years now, after serving four, and am a year from completing my engineering degree. I just got a mobilization order, and am planning to ask for a deferment or whatever for school. Has anybody else been in this situation and how did it go? This mobilization will make me leave in the middle of the semester and really screw up my scholarship (company paying for school, with the understanding that I work for them directly afterwards).

[blah333]

"smart, stupid,.... im the guy who isnt reenlisting".


quote from "army of darkness".





dont give in to the dark side.

[blah333]

theyll lie to you.

theyll lie to your family.

theyll get the power company to charge u more.

theyll get your bank to screw with your account.

theyll make all your family hate you.

theyll try and make u think you arent good at anything./

theyll try to alienate you and separate you from everyone who knows you.

theyll park the medical examiner next door, to declare you dead.

theyll use directional audio and other such means to try and make u dumb enough and depressive...

theyll try to make u hear voices in your head (using multiple sources of audio) and then accept suggestions like a manchurian candidate (without the political part.... the 2nd movie not the 1st...)

theyll use audio bugs and laser beams to listen to your conversations

theyll use military band GPS with reverse geocoding to call up the places you visit to get them to harass you.

theyll use military networks with police connections to harass you

theyll form civilian networks to charge you more at the supermarket.

theyll tell everyone its "national security" and wont let u get that job u want

theyll tell everyone its a "security clearance" and to do this or that to you.

theyll interrogate you when u sleep.

theyll harass you online too.

theyll get your wife to harass you.

theyll get people to crack your windshield and spray paint your car.

theyll have people break into your car to turn the AC vent upwards, just to let u know they were there. (or theyll steal your key)

theyll have everyone girl within 100 feet come on to you, to try and make you cheat on your wife so you can get a divorce and be "alone" and prone to more harassment.

theyll tell everyone your going into the CIA, and this is your training.

theyll tell everyone your a child molester even though you arent.

theyll tell everyone your gay even though you arent.

theyll use psychology in 100 different situations, and run ops on you trying to make u do things and lead you a certain way.

theyll use plausible deniability and half truths to bend things to their methods.

theyll kill your short term memory and test your object permanence.

theyll try and get you commited with buzz words such as "head unit, antenna etc" buzzwords

theyll try and get you to become a "checker" by 1st doing the bad thing, then wanting you to check it repeatedly.

and when its all done and over you still wont reenlist.

CAUSE THE ARMY SUCKS ASSS AND IM DONE WITH THAT SHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

ID RATHER BE HOMELESS OR DEAD HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

KEEP HARASSING HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

its a godammed movie, but its my movie.

im having fun now. im good at this.



tick tock.


legal disclaimer:

"they" is an adverb, and "oh yah i was just joking" wink wink.

[PhoenixGuy]

Hi all... I just got MOB orders on Thursday. I've been reading the posts and, up to this point in my situation, everything here is correct. The SFC at D&E was very helpful. On an interesting note, while we were talking, he noticed that my MSO is up this November. The orders I received would take me all the way to May of 2010. I understand as well as anyone that the Army can pretty much do as it pleases, but the SFC I talked to was emphatic about including my MSO date in my written memo. I almost got the sense that that is enough to get out of it. I'm pretty positive about it but cautious at the same time. I have a few other reasons to request an exemption but I'm wondering if the MSO issue could be enough. Are they finally coming to their senses that keeping people past their MSO is more trouble than it's worth? Anybody else have experience with the D&E and their MSO? Thanks all...wish me luck...and I'll keep you posted!

[ALPHA101]

Hi all... I just got MOB orders on Thursday. I've been reading the posts and, up to this point in my situation, everything here is correct. The SFC at D&E was very helpful. On an interesting note, while we were talking, he noticed that my MSO is up this November. The orders I received would take me all the way to May of 2010. I understand as well as anyone that the Army can pretty much do as it pleases, but the SFC I talked to was emphatic about including my MSO date in my written memo. I almost got the sense that that is enough to get out of it. I'm pretty positive about it but cautious at the same time. I have a few other reasons to request an exemption but I'm wondering if the MSO issue could be enough. Are they finally coming to their senses that keeping people past their MSO is more trouble than it's worth? Anybody else have experience with the D&E and their MSO? Thanks all...wish me luck...and I'll keep you posted!

seems kind of odd that the SFC would be helpful. something is going on so please when you can post all of your findings and good luck. if you don't mind me asking what is your MOS?

[hockeyman7lw]

As a previous poster stated, make sure you include everything in your letter to the D&E team, even if you do not have all the documentation at the time. When I went through the process I claimed everything that I could get documentation for which was my asthma, back problems, PTSD and even the fact that my wife and I have been going to a fertility doctor. Get written letters from anybody that you can along with all the documentation possible. My packet that I sent in was over 40 pages with solid evidence and like others have stated, took almost 6 months to complete.

The SFC that I dealt with was actually decent person and offered alot of advice but remember one thing, they are still in the army and we all remember how that worked out from the beginning. I think the standard statement was "you will never have to worry about the IRR unless there is WW3." Good luck to all.

[acorntarget]

I'm currently finishing up my 6 years on a 6/2 enlistment and plan to enter the IRR (if they let me in). My unit said I need to write a letter requesting permission. Is this the case and if so, are there any examples I can use as a reference? Thanks, Tom

[hockeyman7lw]

That wasn't like that when I was in, I just did my clearing papers and got the F out.

[ALPHA101]

I'm currently finishing up my 6 years on a 6/2 enlistment and plan to enter the IRR (if they let me in). My unit said I need to write a letter requesting permission. Is this the case and if so, are there any examples I can use as a reference? Thanks, Tom

since when does on have to ask for permission to go into the IRR? You finish your active duty enlistment then you go into the IRR for the rest of the 8 year term. I think they are just messing with you.

[acorntarget]

I've asked a few followup questions. It appears it may be internal to my unit. They said I need to address it to my Company CDR. Last drill they asked for a letter from my employer, which made me a little nervous. I'll find out a little more this weekend as I have drill.

On a smilar note, I feel like I have a tough decision coming up in April when I'm eligible for the IRR. I can go into the IRR if approved and cross my fingers that I won't get called up in the next two years. Or, if I transfer out of the IRR to another unit, and continue to drill, I'm safe from another deployment until my two years are up. I've done a year in Afghanistan and one in Iraq as well. My fun meter is pegged. While continuing to drill is not a huge deal, especially relative to another deployment, but I did have my heart set on no more drills after April. Anyone want to put their $0.02 in?

[citadelu]

My brother is IRR and received papers that he is being deployed. He has a head injury that occured many years; prior to entering the Guard but they took him anyway. He told me that he actually missed a few questions on the entry exam but that the recruiter "grandfathered" him in. Anyway, we are planning on filing a medical exemption due to his circumstances. We took him for a more current neuro test and the test does show moderate damage - more than mild for sure. It does support our fears about him going such as: delayed reaction time, inability to handle emotions and anger, and difficulty following instructions. My fear is that they may think, "Well he made it through basic and ait a few years ago so he's deployable." I fear for his safety and those of others since he isn't blessed with the same mental resources that we have. Any help or advice regarding this whole medical exemption thing would be greatly appreciated. The papers are due this week.

[citadelu]

I forgot to mention that he did not disclose the information regarding his head injury when he signed up to the service back in 03.

[blah333]

u know i was sitting on the toilet today (where i have most of my brilliant ideas) and i was reading a report on a special agent... and i realized...

"things arent as complicated as they seem".


there isnt anything wrong with filing an exemption.

you all have served your country and done your duty.

dont feel bad about it.

leave the BS for the recruiters. they get paid to BS.

my .02

[hockeyman7lw]

I would get all medical documentation from his head injury from every doctor that you can think of. Also, have these medical doctors write letters stating the reasons that you wrote ie. slower reaction time etc and maybe even that he might be a liability to others if deployed because of this. Another thing to do is like I did with my asthma is to use multiple tests from different time periods. I showed the first test that I took when I returned from Iraq and then the last test I took a year ago and compared how the conditions are considerably worse. Like stated though, make sure that anything you can think of is written in the explanation letter.

[Your_Name_Here]

Hey blah333,

posting it the first time was plenty. Now you are officially a spammer. And how about sharing the REST of the story? Your allegations are waaaaaaay too serious for any rational person to just take your word for it. And BTW, when this guy's identity gets stolen (and that is precisely what you have invited, thankyouverymuch) the finger of blame for that WILL go to you too, for enabling.

[ringjamesa]

Are you aware of just how paranoid you sound? How deluded? Some Army CID guy is allegedly using audio devices to torture you and your family? How exactly? Is he pumping loud music into your AC ducts? Did he plant bugs in your house? You make no sense. Also, posting someone else's personal information is a foul and your posts have been reported.

[blah333]

if something is happennig to you and your family, you would do everything to protect them.

am i not entitled to the right to protect my family and my loved ones?

wouldnt you try to protect your own family?

i sincerely apologize if i have offended anyone, but nevertheless i am asking for help in bringing these individuals to justice. the reason i am posting here is becuase the police say it is libel (ciliv law) and they cant do anything about it.

i have not divulged any of caruso's personal information.

i need your help in resolving this...

if anyone is in the know about the equipment these idiots are using, then please report this guy and bring him to justice.

this may be happening to others in the IRR.

[ringjamesa]

if something is happennig to you and your family, you would do everything to protect them.
am i not entitled to the right to protect my family and my loved ones?
wouldnt you try to protect your own family?
i sincerely apologize if i have offended anyone, but nevertheless i am asking for help in bringing these individuals to justice. the reason i am posting here is becuase the police say it is libel (ciliv law) and they cant do anything about it.
i have not divulged any of caruso's personal information.
i need your help in resolving this...
if anyone is in the know about the equipment these idiots are using, then please report this guy and bring him to justice.
this may be happening to others in the IRR.

So, the police told you that to do what you are doing is a crime but if you did it online there was nothing they could do about it? And you thought that committing a crime online would be a good idea why? So releasing his name, unit history, picture, etc is "protecting" you family how? How do you expect anyone to help you when all you do is post paranoid rantings? "this guy is out to get me" "this guy is torturing me" "the army is using audio devices to torture me and my family" "if anyone know (s) about the equipment these idiots are using" "it may be happening to others in the IRR"

PARANOID!!!

[blah333]

most of it is civil law not criminal.

i thought you all would care about veterans.

but i guess not.

[ringjamesa]

Except that you have made no actual statements as to what this individual has done. You allege he is torturing you but won't say how. All you do is continue to claim to be a victim (except when you declared this thread your personal property) with nothing to support your claim-not even one solid allegation just paranoid rants.

[Proud Mom]

well im not going to post 3.5 years of stuff here.


i was hoping someone would get something done..... someone who knows what it is.... but it doesnt look like its happening...

To start dont insult the Active Duty folks on the threads. these folks have all sacrificed for our country.

Second, take a deep breath and yes, get into the past 3.5 years. List actual offenses, methods and give the facts. No rants, JUST THE FACTS. Folks like facts to back up a claim. Facts are what makes the crime stick to the perp.

[sprockets2000]

lets make this simple if you have a real injury they will make sure you dont go somehwere to get someone else hurt im overweight and i must say that if i got a mobilization order i would actually feel kind of like a douche, now they have to find a man that followed the rules since all ive done is work go to school but more importantly eat some serious fast food.

peace

id still rather go overweight though if its allowed dont know never got a mobilization order just muster i got 8 months ago

[CommandoAir]

I got orders to report next month. Well, I am in my final year of college and will contact a VA counselor to talk about my problem. Only 3 months left before my IRR obligation was going to end and really want to get a degree. Is anybody in a similar situation and if yes then care to share some advise?

[acesfilter]

I got orders to report next month. Well, I am in my final year of college and will contact a VA counselor to talk about my problem. Only 3 months left before my IRR obligation was going to end and really want to get a degree. Is anybody in a similar situation and if yes then care to share some advise?

Since you're so close to obtaining a degree and it appears inevitable that you will report to duty anyway, my advice to you would be to get commissioned as an officer; make it worth your while. Unless you have your personal reasons to remain on the enlisted side--that's fine, too. Just that I've ran into a lot of Soldiers with college degrees who feel a bit under paid and under appreciated working beneath leaders who have absolutely no managerial competency what so ever.

[spcupyurs]

So three weeks after I submitted my DD&E paperwork I get a call from some SFC from D&E dept. He completely misunderstood my DD&E and is requesting ADDITIONAL paperwork. Says I have two weeks to get it in (By March 4th now) anyways tries to ream me for not telling the original SFC the other things I was claiming in my petition..My response? "He shouldn't have assumed that was my only personal hardship" go figure huh? So we are in the process of getting all the EXTRA paperwork they are requesting which is fine we will drag it out for as long as they give us. My report date is set for March 8th but I was told not to report pending the response on my Delay and Exemption case. In other more interesting news saw this on Fox News today:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,502525,00.html

[Jackie Boy]

Well, add me to the list of many who have served after 9/11 honorably, done a tour in Iraq, and gotten out to start my life. I got recall orders from the IRR around Feb. 1 with a report date of 22 Feb. I put in my exemption packet, as I have been reading here that claims taking a few months to be resolved for whatever reason. My case has college, a 10% VA disability, partial caregiving for my grandmother, a diagnosis for ADHD, and an apartment lease. If anyone thinks this has a shot or has a comment, send it my way.

Also, it seems that the FTR option towards IRR orders has been and still is very popular. I have a friend who was just down in Ft. Jackson for an IRR recall who quoted the drill sergeants as saying "1/3 actually show up". If the Army won't go after you or your benefits, then why take this an order as opposed to a suggestion? I am seriously considering not going however my case is resolved. The Army has never treated me right; they continually disappointed me and now they want me back against my will. I say, why don't we all play hard to get? It isn't like the Army actually cares about you. They will just suck you dry.

Lets get some things clear: Does anyone know of any cases where someone actually was forced back into service or had their GI bill revoked? And yes, we all know they like to threaten this kind of action, but do they actually do it?




It also seems that the Army is being very careful is not making this a PR nightmare and getting the media to turn against them. That story listed above has been resolved quickly, the Army made sure of that.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/03/02/us.soldier.children/index.html

[redhat37]

Does anyone know of any cases where someone actually was forced back into service or had their GI bill revoked? And yes, we all know they like to threaten this kind of action, but do they actually do it?






Several pages ago someone made a post saying they contacted the VA and the VA told them that the army can't take it away

[spawn]

Does anybody know if there are any cases of people being called up more then once? I ask this because I got recalled back in 2007. I went and did my time with a very disorganized NG unit from Washington D.C. I got back in June of 08 and I recently got muster orders. I went to the muster and was respectful of the Career Counselor. This guy kept telling me that I was going to get recalled again and was trying to get me to join a reserve unit because there I can get a 24 month deferment. My 8 years is up in Feb of 2010. I told him that while I respect the military and those in it, its just not for me. My question is HRC calling people up twice?

[karinp30]

I'm not sure if they would call you back twice... but as long as you're in the IRR, they certainly could. :(

[FormerArmyCPT]

I just got orders via Fedex.

Evidently the Army had been trying to reach me at an old address since December. My orders land in my hand almost exactly 2 months before 18 May 2009 which is the end of my 8 years.

As an officer, I was just starting to get my resignation paperwork together in order to send it in on/about my 8 year mark. Go figure.

So, any news about what the President's troop move has on the affect of IRR mobilization?

I'm going through the full range of emotions right now since I thought I was finished with the Army. Ironically enough, my Active Duty time was extended four years ago with a stoploss order to OIF . . . here we go again.

I'm seriously considering not even showing up.

[Jackie Boy]

I just got orders via Fedex.

Evidently the Army had been trying to reach me at an old address since December. My orders land in my hand almost exactly 2 months before 18 May 2009 which is the end of my 8 years.

As an officer, I was just starting to get my resignation paperwork together in order to send it in on/about my 8 year mark. Go figure.

So, any news about what the President's troop move has on the affect of IRR mobilization?

I'm going through the full range of emotions right now since I thought I was finished with the Army. Ironically enough, my Active Duty time was extended four years ago with a stoploss order to OIF . . . here we go again.

I'm seriously considering not even showing up.


Two months out from your MSO, eh? I might suggest putting in some exemption paperwork which apparently takes a while and will buy you time. While that is processing, try putting in your resignation paperwork.
If that works, then in your exemption or appeal, add to your packet that your MSO has expired and you resigned your commission!
If none of this successful, change your address that the HRC uses to some non-English speaking country and never respond to their correspondence. My point is, don't think you are lacking options. Play hardball with these guys.

I know exactly how you feel, I got my orders last month. Do some research. Nobody has faced UCMJ yet for not showing up.

[spcupyurs]

After submitting the addtl paperwork requested we noticed it no longer states that a DDE case is open and THEN to top it all off Iperms shows a NEW SET OF DEPLOYMENT ORDERS for two months from now WOW!! The Army is a real TRIP!!! I should also mention the end date of my deployment orders is TWO MONTHS AFTER my MSO obligation date is up.

[kalabie]

My husband got a letter of re mobilization. He's already served in iraq. and to our beliefs we thought he was completely done. He's over weight and has ptsd. He's due to report to ft benning Gerogia on the 22nd of march. (this month) for medical exams. Can they really send him back to iraq with the problems he has? and what would happen if he didn't show up?

[kalabie]

Also, his pyciatrist wrote a letter stating he doesn't recomend him to go. His ptsd has really effected our personal life. and i'm afraid that if he goes back he could be a dangermount to other soildiers. And i'm more afraid if he makes it through this again he could seriously be a danger to myself. He's already crazy enough. I really don't think he needs to go back and come back crazier. I fear my life;

[spawn]

Did your shrink prescribe him any medication? The first time I got recalled I know of a few people who were sent home when they tried to refill their medication at an army hospital. The doc saw what was prescribed and sent them home pretty quick. When I was going through all the mob stuff, I was amazed at who they were taking. They do not want quality they just want quantity. I hope everything works out for you guys.

[kalabie]

Yeah he is prescribed to mirtazapine. And i'm pretty sure that's a really strong medication. I also recommended him to go and ask for day time meds because he really does need them. I hope things work out as well. Support your troops not your governement.

[hockeyman7lw]

Another great army moment. I was just granted an exemption from an Afghanastan deployment and was told I would be receiving my orders for release from the IRR. Now, I get in the mail orders to muster. What kind of joke are they running here. You better believe I am going in to collect my hard earned tax dollars that are being wasted because the stupid army beaurocrats can't get anything right. Gotta love it

[kalabie]

so can anyone help me out in our situation? I am going to make a D&E packet for him. I belive I have enough evedince on why he should not be eligible to go back. Wish me luck,

[ALPHA101]

I have a question for anyone that is willing to answer....my cousin got a letter for a muster and when he called the reserve center to speak with the NCO that was listed on the order the NCO had no clue as to why his name was on the muster order to begin with. My cousin also has gone to Fort Meade for the last 2 years to attend the muster but now they are sending him to a reserve center for accountablility. Has anyone been through this process before?

[FUBARendous]

It is probably a communication issue. I know what you are thinking; not in the Army!

The muster orders lists a number to call to schedule the actual attendance. After I called the number on mine, locations of several Army Reserve processing centers were given to me. There were a couple different places I could have gone within reasonable distance.

I dealt with two different NCOs over the last 2 musters and both acted new at this. While at the muster, all I had to do was log onto ako and fill out some address updates and politely say no to the NCOs about returning to duty. I was given the option of geographical preference at each as well. Maybe your cousin is being preassigned a specific location?

The IRR falls under Army Reserve, could it be a possibility that they no longer process at Ft Meade?

[ALPHA101]

It is probably a communication issue. I know what you are thinking; not in the Army!

The muster orders lists a number to call to schedule the actual attendance. After I called the number on mine, locations of several Army Reserve processing centers were given to me. There were a couple different places I could have gone within reasonable distance.

I dealt with two different NCOs over the last 2 musters and both acted new at this. While at the muster, all I had to do was log onto ako and fill out some address updates and politely say no to the NCOs about returning to duty. I was given the option of geographical preference at each as well. Maybe your cousin is being preassigned a specific location?

The IRR falls under Army Reserve, could it be a possibility that they no longer process at Ft Meade?

Thanks for the response! The order had a specific place and a specific recruiter. He also said that the two other musters were for readiness....eyes checked, blood drawn etc. The soldiers running it were from St. Louis and traveled for the readiness musters but not the other ones. Maybe they reversed the trend this fiscal year? Oh well. My cousin is responsible and he will do the right thing even if it is a waste of time...at least for him.

[hockeyman7lw]

I had the same issue with my last muster call. I was ordered to a local reserve center and called the NCOIC on the orders and she had no clue as to why her name was there. After talking on the phone and telling her no repeatedly, I was told to make sure my info was correct on AKO so that the meeting would not take long. I got there and of course had to say no many more times

[pissedofIRR]

ok so i got called back from the IRR, so i knew it was my duty and whatever else to show up and do what i needed to do. so i showed up and have been doing what i need to over the past few weeks. iv come to the point that i am completely 100% done with the military, for the simple fact of since coming back in and trying to do the right thing i have been completely treated like shit, i get denied things that other people are getting and im just fed up with it. dont get me wrong and don't get all mad at me saying oh your not doing the right thing and your a deserter because i actually showed up and tried to do the right thing. so its come down to the point of where i am on the verge of leaving and not coming back. this post is not intended for people to talk me out of it because the decision has not yet been made. this post is to find out what would happen if i was to go AWOL as an IRR soldier so i can make an informed decision of what i should do.

this is the worst time in my life to deploy, i just recently got married and have a son on the way. my wife is 5 months pregnant and when i tried to file for a deferment it got denied. so once i found that out i did the right thing and showed up, and ever since then its almost like iv been treated like a second class soldier and im sick and tired of it.

any info would help...thanks

[Yggdrasil]

Advice? You should've stayed in and did eight years active duty. I could never be in the reserves - much better to be sent overseas while active duty then to be called in civilian life and have your whole life thrown into upheaval.

Of course - you're not going to take a beating from me. The beating you're about to take will probably start with the next post.

[former31B]

If I understand you correctly, you already reported to a mob site and are in training. If that is the case, the time to disappear has passed. You would now be treated like any other AWOL soldier. After 30 days, a warrant will be issued for your arrest. From there, I'm not sure what would happen to you. Normally, a soldier in training or inprocessing would simply be discharged from the Personnel Control Facility at either Fort Knox or Fort Sill. Since you are a recalled soldier, I'm not sure if they would treat you as an MOSQ soldier assigned to a real unit. If that is the case, they will send you back to wherever you are training at now. The commander there would make the decision of punishing you. This information is based on my experience working with processing AWOL/deserters as an MP at Fort Knox.

Frankly, if I were you, I'd just take a stand and tell whomever I had to that I'm done. Make it clear that they can give you whatever kind of discharge that will make them happy but that you refuse to train or deploy. They will give you grief but will eventually give you the boot if you make a big enough fuss. This would be a lot better than going AWOL and going through that hassle only to end up back where you are now. They are taking the path of least resistance with IRR soldiers so use it to your advantage.

[WILDJOKER5]

Should have taken your wife with you to training and said she is not leaving your side cause she is prego. Say you are the only one that can take care of her and they should let you go. It worked before with whats her face.

[NeWSoldiEr08]

heres an idea, dont say u are thinking bout AWOL...on a military forum lol

1000s of people around the country and world hate the military ...ur no different suck it up and join the rest of the army haters u signed up u agreed to your contract when u signed up now you have to honor it if you cant do that then you shoulda never signed up in the first place

[Variable Wind]

Dude, these stories suck.

We had a guy in Iraq with us attached to our unit who was 1 week away from being OFF the IRR. His first kid had just been born and man the guy had the best attitude about thing. I admired him because he was treated much like you. Had I been in his shoes, I would have been raising holy hell. If you want to take the discharge, even if its other than honorable, you probably still have a DD-214 lying around from when you last deployed saying "honorable".

But before going that route, I would say raise as much of a stink as possible. Dont take crap from these people. What are they going to do? Kick you out? If you truely are getting the shaft, put a complaint through the chaplain or even better the IG. Otherwise, they will walk all over you if you let them.

[former31B]

But before going that route, I would say raise as much of a stink as possible. Dont take crap from these people. What are they going to do? Kick you out? If you truely are getting the shaft, put a complaint through the chaplain or even better the IG. Otherwise, they will walk all over you if you let them.

Couldn't agree more. As a recall, you no longer depend on the Army for a job or to provide a roof over your head. You really do have some power here. You should demand equal treatment. Let them know *now* that you are there to do your duty, not to kowtow to lifers. If they don't like it, they can discharge you.

[Jackie Boy]

Just an update to all of those who have recently gotten mobilization orders: I received my mob orders in January with a report date of Feb 22, 2009. I put in an exemption packet in early February and I was just notified today that my exemption request was accepted. My criteria seem less than others noted in the forum, but nonetheless, it was successful.

My packet included the following: A 10% VA disability rating (back problems), college (I am a junior), I am a partial caregiver for my grandmother, I had my doctor cite my ADHD along with my current prescription in a note, and I just signed a rental agreement on a house down at my college. I had a document to support everything. My grandmother wrote a letter, I had a copy of my lease, college transcripts, ect. I did not involve any lawyers or any special help.

So, if there is anyone out there was wants to try for an exemption, this may help clarify what is possible. I am unsure if others will get similar results, but it may be worth a try. If anyone has any questions, shoot me a reply.

[jmoder]

Why are they sending the IRR for?
For policing up around the damn FOB - especially those ciggarette buds the troops themselves don't have
the disciplie to put in the trash ( go figure), DFAC guard - to make sure every troop is in the right uniform ( that includes protective eyewear), make sure guys are clean shaven, roaming guard around the living quartes cause seargy was caught doing it with that sexy and cute spec. and the captain is doing the Lt.,
guard the porta johns cause someone stold the damn toilet paper and tagging the porta johns, guard the px and make sure everyone has ammo, eyewear, weapon and id...even if its a 4 star general, oh and my fav....
guard the "Food court" cause someone stold a #3 combo meal and a hamburger?!!
Give me a break!!
This is just a waste of time for deploying the IRR. This will be a perpetual of the higher people treating the lower class soldiers like dirt. This is the epitome of "master of puppets". I will not longer be a puppet, and have those strings cotrolling me. I'm currently going to school to be a screenwirter here in my hometown of Los Angeles, CA. I will not have my dreams taken away from me if I do get called back. The army will F%%#$ uo the most and I won't get brainwashed ever again. I'm done playing GI Joe. I want to be normal and have a normal life. Grow a goatee once in a while, have my hair how I want it to grow, go to places withought having an improval to pass that radius mileage. I understand the 8 year obligation, but read my fine print army...I won't report to the damn munster.

[spcupyurs]

They suck at getting back to me. I put my packet in to them in February and they felt that I needed more docs even though 25 pages should have been sufficient. I sent in an addtl 46 pages on March 4th and to this date nothing and they refuse to talk to my wife. I am just sitting back waiting to get the response from them. Hopefully something will come out soon.

[Chalybis]

IRR call up is a big deal now apparently. I got called back a few months ago as a combat officer after several years out in a group of several hundred inf and armor soldiers and fell in on a deploying unit into a line leadership position. For one reason or another combat arms IRR troops are getting hit hard in the last 6 months. And most of us are getting plugged into line units across the board to fill manning holes. And they send you several duty stations, none of which recognize each other's POIs so you do the same individual training over and over and over again. Def in need of some revamp.

[2YearsOrBust]

I have ONE MONTH until I ETS!!!!! Praaaaaaise Jesus! Cross your fingers I don't get stop-lossed :eek:

[debtha]

I just got Recalled yesterday on IRR. I am trying to file for an exemption because my husband is currently in Afghanistan. This is too much Hardship for us. I haven't seen him in 12mths and they want me to leave right before he gets home.

[karinp30]

There's a lot of good info at the command toc: http://polybius.blogs.com/left_of_way/irr_information/

You'll probably have to come up with something more substantial then the separation from your husband. I don't think the Army is real big on family values and maintaining marriages these days. If you have any obvious medical reasons that would keep you from deploying, those are coming back the fastest.

[CMSBROWN]

Good luck to those on this thread in your future endeavors.

Thank you for your service. God's Speed.

[INGUARD]

we need more bodies unfortunately

[ringjamesa]

Actually, all services are currently meeting their recruiting numbers-ok so the army lowered their #s but they are meeting them....

[sjbradbury]

Does anyone have an example or outline of the letter they sent in explaining the reasons for their exemption request?

[djill]

Hey quick question. I got my orders to report June 7. I put an exception packet together. I hired an attorney, with limited experince but a lot of connections. Hes a Lt Col in the army reserves, teaches at the JAG academy. My packet is for personal hardship due to loss of child, wife suffering from post partum, no family in 300 mile radius, child is due in dec and ets is oct 2010, no security clearence. i provided all supporting documentation. From experince, is this solid for a exception being granted and subseqent discharge.

djrill@gmail.com with reply

[2YearsOrBust]

Free at last, free at last!!!

Today is my ETS date! I lasted 16 months in the IRR unscathed. I'm finally released from the clutches of the Army!!! mwahahahaha! I'm off to celebrate for the rest of the night by being a drunkard. WOOOHOOOO!!!!

[hockeyman7lw]

I finally got my discharge paperwork in the mail so I probably won't be back on this site. Good luck to all and keep your heads down when the big bad army comes around.

[Master Tanker]

Unregistered, you are a bitter& disappointed person indeed. He who searches for justice will search forever.

[blah333]

i bow to all of you that got out!!! congrats!! you wont be looking here no more... who would?? i wouldnt.


take the time this memorial day weekend to remember our fallen heroes.

Most gave alot, some gave everything for our freedoms.







and also take the time to remember how much the army sucks @#@#$##@.

thats why we are all getting out.



umm lemme post something about IRR so i dont get banned again. (ive already been banned twice now)

ummm i got paid for my muster.

thanks army! they did pay me, i aint mad at u for that. easy 200 bux.


anyways, between your BBQ's and stuff this weekend, remember our fallen heroes.

[blah333]

FAIL.

you have failed your highness.

i will never join the army.

i am a civilian like my father.

GOT FAIL?

FAIL.



this will probably get me banned.

make it three weeks this time.

did you know if you get banned just delete the cookie and you can come back?

also its easy to reregister and post again under different accounts.

[blah333]

if they ban your IP address then you can use a proxy server to visit this site again under a different IP address or visit a computer elsewhere.

you cant stop my constitutional right to speak!!!

I WILL BE HEARD!!! RAAAWWWWWRRRR!!!!

YOU HAVE FAILED ARMY.

army epic fail.

[blah333]

google gmail accounts are great for registering for forums like this.

you can get like 100000 gmail accounts very easily.

great for verification purposes for signing up for forums.

[blah333]

When the Mortars came, When the explosion hit us, When the defening silence was cancelled by zinging bullets and tracer fire, When we reacted and depressed the trigger in a split second ---------- When it was over we were less. We came home to jubilee and after the party .....in the silence....... we remembered what we left behind.

"When we remembered"

[Variable Wind]

You need some serious emotional help.

[blah333]

take the time this weekend to honor our fallen heroes!!

we all gave alot but they gave everything.

we all get busy with life, but now is the time to remember them, to talk about them and to honor them.

take the time.

[FromwhommuchisExpected]

I have a question about these IRR call ups because I am sriously considering a transfer to the IRR because there are no units with my MOS close by where I am moving to and also to be honest my experience with my unit has been less then Id hoped for. Problem is my current contract does not expire for another 2 and a half years.
Are Soldiers being called up if they are combat arms, Civil affairs or PSYOPs or is anyone being called up and forced to reclass to be a "body" and fill a paragraph and line number. I could either join a TPU and reclass (the MOS I go to would probably have me deployed soon since it is undestrengthed for NCOs) or try to ride it out in the IRR for another 2 years and change. I would rather get mobbed doing something I want then get called up and reclassed as an Infantryman or Civil affairs (no offense to those MOS holders)

Opinions? Advice?

[sarge89]

Here is the issue and confusion I have. I just rec'd this "muster" order today. I've been getting IRR 'stuff' since discharge from the CT Guard.

I served 4 yrs AD and 4 yrs IRR - I was honorably dischared from the Army after my 8 yr commitment in 1996. I then joined the USAR in CT and served 1998-2005, in 2006 I joined the CT National Guard and served 1 year and then reenlsted for 8. In 2008 I became pregnant and after 14 yrs of trying I chose to get discharged from the Guard they finally processed in early 2009 on a pregnancy. I have to repay my bonus I got..okay I get that. Here is where I think this "muster" is a scam.

I do not owe any IRR service and not sure why the Guard put me in the IRR when I don't owe them anything. I have to check this again as I should have been dischared totally. I have rec'd emails at my work address and mail at home encouraging me to join and they can keep me from a deployment for 2 yrs etc..they want me back to serve as a 79V - Retention. I'm done no thanks stop trying to get me back.

I will probalby call but I am NOT going to show up. It's a waste of my time and they just want to entice ppl to join. They need to get their records straight as I owe them NOTHING. I've served over 12 years on AD, Reserve and Guard. I also take medication for my blood pressure now so that might be an eliminating factor but I don't care. IMO they can't do anything to anyone who doesn't muster anyway.

[FromwhommuchisExpected]

Controlled BP doesnt make you Non-Deployable. I had to get a waiver for my BP to come back in. Went across the street from MEPS to the Sick Call Bldg and got that taken care of. Hypertension is only a problem if it is not controlled.
If you were discharged you should have been discharged lol. I dont understand the IRR status either. Retention NCO isnt such a bad thing to have if you do choose to go back in. They dont have the lifestyle of Recruiters and the drama.
I agree with you though, from what I "hear" if you dont show up for Muster nothing will really happen to you. Maybe its best to focus on raising your child and getting some Civilian Bucks right now then worrying about DFAS and their bs.

[sarge89]

Controlled BP doesnt make you Non-Deployable. I had to get a waiver for my BP to come back in. Went across the street from MEPS to the Sick Call Bldg and got that taken care of. Hypertension is only a problem if it is not controlled.
If you were discharged you should have been discharged lol. I dont understand the IRR status either. Retention NCO isnt such a bad thing to have if you do choose to go back in. They dont have the lifestyle of Recruiters and the drama.
I agree with you though, from what I "hear" if you dont show up for Muster nothing will really happen to you. Maybe its best to focus on raising your child and getting some Civilian Bucks right now then worrying about DFAS and their bs.


I get that non-controlled BP makes you non-deployable. I'm on meds monthly. It's just the game that they are sending me this crap and I shouldn't be in the IRR. I have to address it AGAIN with the National Guard. I'm not really worried about it because IF they truly wanted this muster to work they would send the letters via certified mail and not just via the USPS. They really want to keep their database updated. I have to say that I left the Reserves as the area that controlled the reservists and 79V were a joke to work for and after a while the BS just got old. I have a federal job so I'm all set for now.

[FromwhommuchisExpected]

Ok that sounds good! You have a good bit of time under your belt. If you dont want to be bothered with the Army anymore I can understand. I have had a few negative experiences as well.Primarily crap with getting paid in a timely manner (several months, almost a year!) But the one thing my Grandmother says with regard to the situation is "You could finish it off and get a retirement check from them in addition to your civilian job" so I am not trying to make any rash decisions. Maybe you should think about that since you are so close to a 20 year letter. Good luck.
As for my situation, I have to wait and see how things go in the next several months. If I want to get back into APFT shape, reclass and risk all that comes with it or "move on" by dropping to the IRR and letting the chips fall where they may. I want to be patient and make the right move.

[ringjamesa]

Here is the issue and confusion I have. I just rec'd this "muster" order today. I've been getting IRR 'stuff' since discharge from the CT Guard.

I served 4 yrs AD and 4 yrs IRR - I was honorably dischared from the Army after my 8 yr commitment in 1996. I then joined the USAR in CT and served 1998-2005, in 2006 I joined the CT National Guard and served 1 year and then reenlsted for 8. In 2008 I became pregnant and after 14 yrs of trying I chose to get discharged from the Guard they finally processed in early 2009 on a pregnancy. I have to repay my bonus I got..okay I get that. Here is where I think this "muster" is a scam.
I do not owe any IRR service and not sure why the Guard put me in the IRR when I don't owe them anything. I have to check this again as I should have been dischared totally. I have rec'd emails at my work address and mail at home encouraging me to join and they can keep me from a deployment for 2 yrs etc..they want me back to serve as a 79V - Retention. I'm done no thanks stop trying to get me back.
I will probalby call but I am NOT going to show up. It's a waste of my time and they just want to entice ppl to join. They need to get their records straight as I owe them NOTHING. I've served over 12 years on AD, Reserve and Guard. I also take medication for my blood pressure now so that might be an eliminating factor but I don't care. IMO they can't do anything to anyone who doesn't muster anyway.

I take it math isn't your strong suit. If you joined the guard in '06 and served for one year=2007. Then you ADDED another 8 years to your comittment (7+8=15), that means your OBLIGATION is up in 2015 not in 2009. With that said, you might want to check your DD 4 since generally the max enlistment is 6-still puts you obligated to 2013. Time left on your enlistment=IRR obligation, which means they had every right to separate you instead of discharge you AND that you are subject to recall until the expiration of your term of service-just like everyone else.

[discharged for good]

Hey everyone. I've been watching this forum for months now like a little fly on the wall, yet hesitant to post anything out of utter fear of somehow, someone, somewhere identifying me and messing up my D&E packet and me having to go back in the army. Crazy hu, but i've always been paranoid when it comes to the army and them somehow messing up everything I try to do.

So.... now, as of June 10, 2009, I am 100% OUT OF THE ARMY. I have my discharge papers right in front of me, my D&E packet was approved (amazing) and now I’m here to help anyone and everyone I can.


Message me with any questions and i'll help however I can. Take care and GOOD LUCK!

[sarge89]

I take it math isn't your strong suit. If you joined the guard in '06 and served for one year=2007. Then you ADDED another 8 years to your comittment (7+8=15), that means your OBLIGATION is up in 2015 not in 2009. With that said, you might want to check your DD 4 since generally the max enlistment is 6-still puts you obligated to 2013. Time left on your enlistment=IRR obligation, which means they had every right to separate you instead of discharge you AND that you are subject to recall until the expiration of your term of service-just like everyone else.

Wow Bill glad to see you are helping. Forgive me but I meant 6 yrs and not 8 and quite frankly I talked to the Guard and they should have discharged me and not put me in the IRR. But frankly since I"m repaying back my bonus, which I knew I would have to, the IRR can call all they want. I've done my time and the Guard isn't bothering me the Reserves wants me back for my 79V MOS and were initially emailing me over and over AT WORK to re-sign with them and they PROMISE no deployment for 2 yrs. Yeah Okay.

Like I said before, the muster letters come via regular mail and they didn't even send it to my home address I live at so I really don't care. I'm not taking a day off of work so they can update their records and try to get me back. The Reserves has a way of pissing people off and then they really dont' want to go back, I've seen it for many years. I've done my time, I have highly marked NCOERs and was never a dead beat soldier but this tactic is a waste of time.

[bubbagene]

To the wives and any other wives reading this, the "not even gonna show him the letter" was not as much of a joke as it seems. I wish my wife had done that, now I wouldn't be at war with myself over this. Seriously, if there are punishments for no-shows (more on this later) I don't see how someone who really never knew wouldn't have an airtight defense if they wanted to change his discharge status or something. And you wives of course aren't subject to the UCMJ, so the army's got nothing on you.

So here I am, muster orders in hand, torn in half... half of me is of course on the side of those saying "man up, it's probably just an effort to recruit you anyway, not worth changing discharge status over (esp. with federal law enforcement in my future)". The other half of course, says remember how bureaucratically jacked up the army is, like last time they tried to call back some from the IRR those who didn't show up just slipped through the cracks, and so just because they have your address doesn't mean showing up won't mean fucking yourself by getting yourself on a "list", etcetera. The argument of helping out the active duty guys sounds good on paper, but when you've spent more nights sleeping in the dirt of a combat zone than half of those guys have days in which they handled a weapon... and that the army nearly killed my marriage during both of my year long combat tours... and hell, I'm educating myself to REALLY fight terror, instead of just riding around behind a machine gun until someone decides to blow me up.

Well now to the point... I know it's a little hard to ask this, since this is the first time, but what do you guys see happening to no-shows? Apparently about 90% who've received the letter think nothing much, but anyone got any evidence or military law experience to wager an educated guess? Secondly, any evidence about what to expect? Is this just the exact same thing the other services do regularly, or will this be different? Not to worried by what the Navy and Air Force do, but if this is an "Individual Warrior" transformation experience and they tell me when I can show up to an Infantry refresher course, I'll shit a brick.

Ok, one more question, just for those that have received the muster orders, what MOS? 11B here, and it seems like mostly that and just a few others so far, which is bad- last time IRR called it only attempted to produce certain MOS's that were lacking. So is there a big range of MOS's here? Thanks.

On the getting the letter thing. Wheather your wife shows it to you or not it doesnt matter.

To be legal and stand up in court it must be sent as a registered letter that you sign for at the post office.

If it was not sent that way you can always say that you did not receive such letter!

[bubbagene]

Hey everyone. I've been watching this forum for months now like a little fly on the wall, yet hesitant to post anything out of utter fear of somehow, someone, somewhere identifying me and messing up my D&E packet and me having to go back in the army. Crazy hu, but i've always been paranoid when it comes to the army and them somehow messing up everything I try to do.

So.... now, as of June 10, 2009, I am 100% OUT OF THE ARMY. I have my discharge papers right in front of me, my D&E packet was approved (amazing) and now I’m here to help anyone and everyone I can.


Message me with any questions and i'll help however I can. Take care and GOOD LUCK!

Sounds good for you! holy carp war breaks out with Korea and you get called back or get drafted.
Never say never,the army will never let you go LOL.

[anotherflyonthewall]

Discharged for good: Please elaborate to us all, now that you're safe. What was your D+E for? How many pages, etc. Anything in there that might help us healthy but reluctant individuals? (IE future shitbags who have much better things to do, and real lives to continue, and you don't want in your unit anymore anyway, lifers/callback supporters) I would love for pursuing a federal job that lets an intelligent individual fight terror in a more productive way to be a legit excuse, but I guess that's just wishful thinking in this bureaucracy we call the federal govt.

Blah333: Seek help. I've diagnosed this accurately, despite my lack of formal qualifications, from online postings twice before, and you seem to be suffering from paranoid schizophrenia. Hopefully I'm wrong and it's just 'minor' schizophrenia, but either way you need a neutral voice to confront your irrational paranoia. Nobody is using sonic intel gathering systems against you, however right you are to distrust the 'needs of the army' mantra. Just ignore any non-certified letters you get and continue to enrich your civilian life as best you can. If you're just preemptively providing evidence for instability incongruent with military service, then you're a genius. Otherwise, I think the people closest to you need a little levity by now. Support our nation with your vote that fights the real and impressive islamofascist threat, and you're just as much of a a patriot in my eyes as you ever were serving.

The strength of a nation (that pursues the democratic process) is directly proportional to the will of all its citizens. We don't need more soldiers to win, we need more supporters.

"Peace, true peace, is not the absence of conflict, it is the presence of justice" -- Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Wes_Mantooth]

Free at last! I ETS today after 18 long months in the IRR. I've spent a lot of time lurking around here and would like to thank everyone for posting great info. While in the IRR, I never recieved mob, readiness, or muster orders. Just phone calls and letters tryiing to get me to re-up. Good luck to everyone out there and God bless.

[blah333]

Free at last! I ETS today after 18 long months in the IRR. I've spent a lot of time lurking around here and would like to thank everyone for posting great info. While in the IRR, I never recieved mob, readiness, or muster orders. Just phone calls and letters tryiing to get me to re-up. Good luck to everyone out there and God bless.



Congratulations!!! what a happy day for you!

i love to read about these success stories.

i have been to 3 musters.

can i make it to this december?

i think so.

165 days and a wakeup.

[fallout]

Sup Gentlemen I hope all of you are having good luck in the IRR and not to many of you have been caught in the bullshit. I just went to my first muster, (I know this is old news but I'll outline what happened anyway)

Ok so I report in civilians and just basically sit down with a recruiter and take a stupid survey. He then throws me the "Come back into the army pitch" I pretty much gave off the impression that I had absolutely ZERO interest of coming back in. He's offering me a state side reservist job that is undeployable ect. And then tells me that if I don't take it my chances of getting pulled back in and sent to Iraq is around 50% (BULLSHIT did not believe a word) It was so funny because as he said it he held of a stack of "Recall orders" but pulled them back away from me as I pawed at them to try and look at them.

What's interesting is my friend in across the states fell into kind of a cash crunch and went to talk to the recruiterand he immediately after understanding his situation says "Hey sorry the only job we've got is 11B" He just stood up right there and left. Anyway as all you know the recruiters are salesmen but I thought that was a little unethical.

Anyway I wish you all the best of luck.

530 days and wake up until MSO ends.

[blah333]

530 days!!! ouch..

i dunt remmeber when i had that many.

my ~160 is way too many days!!!

yah cash crunch ehh? like you never had one in the army?

did you read about the wife who killed her military husband for the policy money?

yah.

cash crunch.

lets get some perspective people.

[Stillnotout]

Hi,

I have a few questions...

I'm in the IRR and over a year ago I got a couple muster orders. I just ignored them and never went and they always got rescinded.

Then Nov 08, I got Mob orders via Fedex for OIF. I'm done with the army and I just ignored the mob orders as well since they came Fedex and not Certified Mail.

When I login to my HRC OMPF Reserve Record...It says:
Mobilization Failure To Report As Ordered Case Pending.
Does this mean anything? serious?

Also, today I received a letter in the mail today from HRC saying that: The following order is amended as indicated.

Then below that it has a whole bunch of numbers/letters that I have no clue what they mean separated in 2 groups: As Reads and How Changed. I can't make out what has actually changed since its just numbers and letters that mean nothing to me.
What does this mean?

Lastly, what would the typical outcome be for me ignoring the mob orders? Since they were sent Fedex, they have no proof I ever got them. Will I get a honorable, other than honorable, or dishonorable discharge?

I am concerned because I recently got a job offer that requires a top secret clearance. Obviously I won't get the job if they do the security clearance and I get a dishonorable discharge...any help here?

Thanks!!

[Wes_Mantooth]

Hi,

I have a few questions...

I'm in the IRR and over a year ago I got a couple muster orders. I just ignored them and never went and they always got rescinded.

Then Nov 08, I got Mob orders via Fedex for OIF. I'm done with the army and I just ignored the mob orders as well since they came Fedex and not Certified Mail.

When I login to my HRC OMPF Reserve Record...It says:
Mobilization Failure To Report As Ordered Case Pending.
Does this mean anything? serious?

Also, today I received a letter in the mail today from HRC saying that: The following order is amended as indicated.

Then below that it has a whole bunch of numbers/letters that I have no clue what they mean separated in 2 groups: As Reads and How Changed. I can't make out what has actually changed since its just numbers and letters that mean nothing to me.
What does this mean?

Lastly, what would the typical outcome be for me ignoring the mob orders? Since they were sent Fedex, they have no proof I ever got them. Will I get a honorable, other than honorable, or dishonorable discharge?

I am concerned because I recently got a job offer that requires a top secret clearance. Obviously I won't get the job if they do the security clearance and I get a dishonorable discharge...any help here?

Thanks!!

Well, only a court-martial can award a dishonorable or bad conduct discharge so you don't have to worry about that. OTH would be the absolute worst they can administratively give you. For the rest of you questions, I have no idea...Maybe a former Lima can help you out.

[blah333]

i think the musters were a good deal.

$200 for 2 hours?

thats my hourly wage!!

ive already been to 3 of them.

i wonder if i can sign up for another muster this year?

hahahahahah.

aint no way in #@$# im gettting called in. my knee is about to fall off. im 500 lbs now. i have PTSD and a severe hardship, and family care plan too. oh yah and people in the army have been harassing me for umm 4 years and they use the "national security" excuse. pretty pathetic really. do you really gotta do all this stuff just to get 1 person to reenlist? thats pathetic.

oh yah and im moving to mexico!

so viva mexico!

hola! tiene cervesa?


CHE!

NEVER GIVE UP THE RESISTANCE!!!!

[discharged for good]

In response to anotherflyonthewall,

(for those who dont know, i submitted my packet, it got approved, i dont have to be deployed..now im here to help you guys and gals out..)

My packet has a total of 38 pages to it. First page is the coversheet:

Title: FAX COVER SHEET
Date:
Attention: delay and exemption team
Re: Exemption request (unclassified)
Fax#: 1-314-….
From: your name SSN: xxx-xx-xxxx
Email: your email
Phone#: xxx-xxx-xxxx
Pages: Including Fax cover sheet: 38

After this is the Detailed Personal Letter. You MUST write one out. Title it “Detailed Personal Letter”. The people at D&E are stupid idiots and they can call you and say they didn’t receive your detailed personal letter. Label this sheet “Detailed Personal Letter”. Include your name and SSN.

Include this as the first paragraph:

“This letter is written in response to the requirement stated in the Delay and Exemption Information Sheet emailed to (Your Name) on (date they emailed it to you). As instructed by (Sergeants name) on (date) this letter should include the following: dates served while deployed, reasons why exemption is being requested, detailed information explaining my personal situation, and supporting documentation to substantiate any claims. The required doctor’s letter has been included in this packet.”

Remember, d&e are idiot people. They don’t care about you one bit so stick up for yourself. In the detailed personal letter, say what your primary specialty was, on your DD214, when you got in and out, if you were deployed, the dates for that.

Include this paragraph if you have medical conditions:

“Prior to deployment in part of Operation Iraqi freedom I had no substantial medical history of pain or weakness.”

Then explain after active duty how you have constant pain wherever, site medical notes from the VA or doctors office. If you get compensation from VA, use that!

Quote doctors notes.

Go see a doctor, ITS REQUIRED, and tell him / her whats going on and you need it to say something about how your condition has made it difficult in civilian life and that a second deployment will aggravate your condition.

If you get comp. from VA use this paragraph:

The department of Veterans affairs has recognized my injury and granted me service connection compesation of x% for (injury).”

Include your papers from your disability ratings.

Explain each disability clearly and that it has made your civilian life difficult.

PTSD is a plus in this case. I have it and used it as much as I could.

End it with something like, “I willingly joined the military to serve my country. I was a strong abled individual who was mentally prepared to serve my county. I joined with no medical history of (your injury).

Then end it with a summery…

Currently, I have no job (or whatever the issue is). After deployment, my injury has made it extremely difficult to…..”

“I am requesting exemption based on concers of aggravating my existing documented medical conditions pertaining to my mental and personal health.”

Sign it, and date it.

Then, include the REQUIRED APPLICATION FOR AN IRR EXEMPTION FROM INVOLUNARY ACTIVE DUTY paper.

If you mess with it, edit it, change anything, youre screwed. Just print it, and sign it.

Then, include the DD Form 2870 Dec 2003 form.

Fill out box 1,2,3,4,5(check outpatient),6,9 and 10.

Box 9 and 10, make the dates ONE YEAR APART! So, box 9 would be todays date, box 10 would be one year from today. (2010 6 17)

Box 11, 13.

Then include ALL medical notes that pertain to you. If youre part of the VA, go to RELEASE of INFORMATION, and get your ENTIRE medical records since you left the military. If they wine, screw them. You need it. Mine was about 150 pages long.

Go though ALL of them, and find doctors notes that talk about injuries. Include them in your packet.

TALK ABOUT YOUR INJURIES OR HARDSHIPS IN YOUR DETAILED PERSONAL LETTER!

Example: while serving in iraq I was injured when a car blew up next to me as stated in the doctors note dated 12 April 2007 (p121).

Include the page number of the doctors note, and then organize them in numerical sequence. My packet had doctors notes from p12, p102,p.134, p142, etc.

FAX it when done.
Get confirmation from the fax place. Ask before you fax it if they can fax your WHOLE packet in one fax. If they cant, go someplace else. Your packet will get lost.

D&e lost my packet and DIDN’T TELL ME! I CALLED randomly 2 days later and some guy named bruce (314-592-0535) said they didn’t have it. I told him to look again and low and behold THEY HAD IT!

After you fax it, call 2 days later, get the CONTROL number from the person in the CONTROL ROOM. This is proof they got it.

Then I believe you can call a number to find out if the office got it. Ask to speak with a SFC mcgrath or sergent(not sure of rank) Holem to see if they got your orders. If they asked how you got their name, say someone in the control room gave it to you.

If the control room gives you a hard time, and says someone picked it up or it got lost or whatever, ask who signed the D.A.R.P. form. That has to be signed to be taken out of the control room.

DISCLAIMER:.............
It took me days to figure all this out, and remember, not everyone filing a D&E packet is going to be excused from deployment. There WILL be some who file a packet and is rejected. My instructions are what WORKED FOR ME and might not work for you so im not responsible if you copy my words, word for word, and someone at D&E calls you up and says, ‘you copied your packet from someone else, youre getting deployed’.

Change the wording around to fit YOUR NEEDS, YOUR INJURIES. I was shot in the leg, if you weren’t shot in the leg, don’t say you got shot in the leg!

People at D&E, especially the operators are jerks and idiots so don’t get flustered if they yell at you or hang up (did it 3 times to me).

Good luck.

[discharged for good]

my reply is on page 194 in red.

[mitchrich4199]

Hi,

Congratulations on your discharge. I saw that you were willing to help people with questions, so I hope you don't mind me asking...

I was mobilized in September after 9.5 years out of the service. I submitted an D&E packet and I've been waiting ever since. How long did it take to receive the results of your request? I'm almost at 9 months and it's about driving me crazy!

Thanks,

Rich

[discharged for good]

Rich,

That doesn't make sense. If you serve 4 years in active duty, you only have 4 years in the IRR. How can you be mobilized after 9 1/2 years out of the service? Your IRR obligation was completed 1 1/2 years ago.

Let me know..

[mitchrich4199]

Thanks for replying. in 2003, when my obligation ran out, we were just about to start the war, so I stayed in the IRR voluntarily. Nothing ever happened while I was single and could have gone a lot more easily. I decided to stay on in case they needed me, but thought that with everything winding down in Iraq that nothing would happen. I was so far removed from it. So, yes, I was still on the IRR.

Any idea how long I might wait? How long did it take for your answer?

[karinp30]

Rich,

Timing really depends. I sent my packet in mid-August. I've heard of other packets going through in just a couple of weeks though. The D&E team advised me that the ones that are really cut & dry go through very quickly. I last called at the end of May and was advised that they were 'hoping' to have a decision by the end of June. :rolleyes: I still haven't heard anything. Who knows with these knuckleheads....

[Automated Response]

FYI: VA Will Suspend Benefits for MOB No-Shows !!!!!

One of my former platoon mates got MOB orders for last Nov. He applied for an exemption and was denied, despite being in his last year of school, having a horrible back (he nearly got medboarded but asked not to be, as it would have taken longer), and being the primary caregiver for his sick mother. He decided not to show, given that the VA reps he spoke with (2) stated that the DoD couldn't interfere with your VA benefits over an OTH discharge. Additionally, his part-time employer, who he will work for full-time upon graduation, said they did not care about his discharge status changing to an OTH, and that they would still have him on full-time.

Fast forward to 10 minutes ago. He just called me to explain that he got a letter from the VA stating that they were acting to suspend his benefits as of his Nov. report date on the request of the DoA. As he obviously needs his benefits (including those already paid to him, obviously), he called HRC and the lady said there wasn't anything he could do at this point, and that his OTH discharge would be complete in 2 weeks. After some haggling, she spoke to her Highers and returned to tell him that if he reported to Ft. Benning (he's an 11B) in a week (Sunday), they would reverse course and pretend like none of this happened.

Just wanted to put the Status Quo out there for everyone.

[former31B]

If this is true, it would seem as though the Army decided to get tough. Why start doing this now after so many years is beyond me but it is the Army we are talking about. As this letter came from the VA, I'm assuming the Army is serious about it and not just trying another one of their scare tactics. This is a bit shocking, and alarming, as I too called the VA twice to confirm that an OTH from the IRR was a non-issue.

To confirm, was your friend active duty and served over three years?

I'm fortunate in that I have just a little over 200 days left after 2.5 years on IRR and it looks as though the call-ups are slowing. The only word I have heard from the Army during this time is muster orders, which I complied with (wasn't a big deal). For what it's worth, I deployed to both Iraq and Afghanistan but cannot confirm if that has been a factor in the Army, to this point, not calling me back.

[Wes_Mantooth]

FYI: VA Will Suspend Benefits for MOB No-Shows !!!!!

One of my former platoon mates got MOB orders for last Nov. He applied for an exemption and was denied, despite being in his last year of school, having a horrible back (he nearly got medboarded but asked not to be, as it would have taken longer), and being the primary caregiver for his sick mother. He decided not to show, given that the VA reps he spoke with (2) stated that the DoD couldn't interfere with your VA benefits over an OTH discharge. Additionally, his part-time employer, who he will work for full-time upon graduation, said they did not care about his discharge status changing to an OTH, and that they would still have him on full-time.

Fast forward to 10 minutes ago. He just called me to explain that he got a letter from the VA stating that they were acting to suspend his benefits as of his Nov. report date on the request of the DoA. As he obviously needs his benefits (including those already paid to him, obviously), he called HRC and the lady said there wasn't anything he could do at this point, and that his OTH discharge would be complete in 2 weeks. After some haggling, she spoke to her Highers and returned to tell him that if he reported to Ft. Benning (he's an 11B) in a week (Sunday), they would reverse course and pretend like none of this happened.

Just wanted to put the Status Quo out there for everyone.

Wow. Did he call the VA after he got the letter? You state he only called HRC, of course they'll play the "there's nothing we can do unless you come in" card. That's just strange and completely out of the norm for every other soldier with an honorable DD 214.

[Automated Response]

CLARIFICATION: Under a Technicality, VA Will Suspend Benefits of Those the DoD is Reporting as Activated!!

To answer a previous inquiry, my buddy was indeed AD.

And I initially asked him whether he had called the VA. He said no, as the letter from the VA was explicit and had come straight from them. I told him to call them anyways and demand to know why this was suddenly happening after many VA reps had stated that an OTH will not alter your benefits.

He called the VA, and after an hour, finally got on the line with a case manager. He was told the VA was suspending his benefits and requiring repayment because the DoA had contacted them after his appeal was denied to report his activation to AD. The VA said this had automatically caused him to become ineligible to receive his current education benefits, as of his activation date back in Nov. Nothing sinister, just typical VA policy regarding active duty soldiers receiving veterans benefits.

So he told the VA he was not on active duty at this time. They took his statement and told him his benefits would be reinstated and he would continue to receive them. As a result, he will not be heading down to Benning- he does not ultimately care about an OTH, as it will not directly affect his life, whereas a deployment would do so in a dramatic fashion.

In conclusion, the DoD is apparently trying to impact VA benefit disbursement, using a very simple back door technique. As they do not have the ability to take these benefits away, they instead push the right VA buttons to get them suspended- in the hopes that such a smoke screen will cause you to become disoriented enough to show up and ship out!

[Wes_Mantooth]

CLARIFICATION: Under a Technicality, VA Will Suspend Benefits of Those the DoD is Reporting as Activated!!



In conclusion, the DoD is apparently trying to impact VA benefit disbursement, using a very simple back door technique. As they do not have the ability to take these benefits away, they instead push the right VA buttons to get them suspended- in the hopes that such a smoke screen will cause you to become disoriented enough to show up and ship out!

Now that sounds more like them! Don't flinch guys, call their bluff.

[Seasons]

they need to start using other branches of the military. i know alot of navy and air force people who have never deployed. so they need to start sharing the load. as far as using the reserves and national guard as a relief effort for the soldiers there, that won't happen because no one will show up for this muster. and by the way to the poster who said no one held a gun to our heads and that we should suck it up....go screw yourself....what are you gonna do when an insurgent holds a gun to your head, think about patriotism? i think not!

Its call an ILO or Augmentee deployment. We do it. In fact that's the majority of taskings I see where I'm at. And we're just engineers and scientists.


To the wives and any other wives reading this, the "not even gonna show him the letter" was not as much of a joke as it seems. I wish my wife had done that, now I wouldn't be at war with myself over this. Seriously, if there are punishments for no-shows (more on this later) I don't see how someone who really never knew wouldn't have an airtight defense if they wanted to change his discharge status or something. And you wives of course aren't subject to the UCMJ, so the army's got nothing on you.


Wrong. Inteference with federal/military matters can in fact be investigated. Or better yet, "tampering with mail". Especially if they touch the certified mail muster orders.

I'm appalled. All of you complaining about it being unreasonable to keep the fitness standards, or to even try while you're still on IRR, grow up. I've got extended family in every branch, some of them full on retired. And the retired ones still keep themselves fit enough to be called up, despite the fact that they've been out for nearly a decade.

If you joined for the benefits only, do us all a favor and leave. if you joined to serve something higher than yourself, then bloody well serve till your commitment is actually up. And guess what? You can't leave mid-deployment. Go ahead and read the regulations. Its called "desertion". And I'll be damned if I let a deserter go free.

USAF AD

[Seasons]

And no, I don't mean those who are medically disabled or disqualified. I agree that its total bullshit for them to ignore the medical reviews or edit them just to get numbers.

[former31B]

[QUOTE=Seasons;250870

If you joined for the benefits only, do us all a favor and leave. [/QUOTE]

Many are trying to do the military a favor by leaving but the pesky military, particularly the Army, refuses to accept the favor.

If you joined for love of country, to "be part of something higher than yourself", or any other romantic notion, good on you! Hooah! Soldier on! Make it a career and leave the rest of us alone.

[Variable Wind]

Many are trying to do the military a favor by leaving but the pesky military, particularly the Army, refuses to accept the favor.

If you joined for love of country, to "be part of something higher than yourself", or any other romantic notion, good on you! Hooah! Soldier on! Make it a career and leave the rest of us alone.

I joined for that reason. I learned my lesson.

[Seasons]

Many are trying to do the military a favor by leaving but the pesky military, particularly the Army, refuses to accept the favor.

If you joined for love of country, to "be part of something higher than yourself", or any other romantic notion, good on you! Hooah! Soldier on! Make it a career and leave the rest of us alone.

The thing is, you joined, you made a commitment. Have the balls to stick with it. I don't approve of STOP-LOSS, never will. But being asked to do something you knew was a possibility? Seriously? Its a bloody muster. Just go, decline the offers if you don't want them, and go home.

[astcell]

Free at last, free at last!!!

Today is my ETS date! I lasted 16 months in the IRR unscathed. I'm finally released from the clutches of the Army!!! mwahahahaha! I'm off to celebrate for the rest of the night by being a drunkard. WOOOHOOOO!!!!


I think when the day comes that I am 100% separated from the Army I will be depressed. I have had my ID card since I was 18 years and 3 weeks old. After three years of deployment (05-08) I am having big issues adapting to civilian life that moves at a snail pace. I volunteered as an IMA but don't know how that will go. At least I will have points for this year to count in retirement.

[astcell_]

I think when the day comes that I am 100% separated from the Army I will be depressed. I have had my ID card since I was 18 years and 3 weeks old. After three years of deployment (05-08) I am having big issues adapting to civilian life that moves at a snail pace. I volunteered as an IMA but don't know how that will go. At least I will have points for this year to count in retirement.


I apologize for posting this response.

I WILL NOT BE DEPRESSED

I WILL BE SO HAPPY I WILL JUMP FOR JOY

screw the army.

I did volunteer as an IMA but they promised me lots of things.... anyways... i will still make retirement!

[astcell]

I think if you feel the Army is wrong you ought to stick around and fix it, if you're man enough.

[sparky101]

I think if you feel the Army is wrong you ought to stick around and fix it, if you're man enough.


dam dude are you like bipolar or what?

anyways.... you go ahead and stick around and ill be.....right...... there.......



just wait for me ok?


;) ;) ;) ;) ;)

[astcell]

Well maybe you do get bipolar after being in for 29 years. :tongue:

[astcells_mom]

Well maybe you do get bipolar after being in for 29 years. :tongue:

look son, that aint no excuse for being bipolar.

what rank are you nowdays anyways?

[astcells_mom]

ok i see your senior enlisted, well i outrank you becuase im a civilian.

but i looked at your page and you look cool so ill let it go this time. :-)

as a sys admin you should tell these yahoo's at military forums to get some php work done and fix this cause im your mom right now.

cool pics!! :-)

[astcell]

The good pics are at myspace and facebook. :-) One thing to be said about the military, you have travel opportunities!

[astcell]

On this last deployment (2005-2008) I was on official business in FL, NV, NC, SC, Qatar, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Afghanistan, Istanbul, and Moscow. While deployed my marriage died, my mother died, and my dog died. I cleared $11k a month. I'm up for E-9 now and have orders for a new unit next month.

[LOAL-D]

Well, that was truly weird!......

[ringjamesa]

Wow! Insanity anyone?

Anyway, does anyone know if the Army is still activating and deploying the IRR? The title of this thread is kinda misleading since the Army has always had IRR Musters (as does every branch of the DoD as perscribed by law). I am not talking about those suckers that go the the muster and sign up for the Reserve or Guard I am asking about involuntary activation of IRR members. Anyone know?

[oh_canada]

im going to canada too!!

well have an ex soldiers reunion in canada!!!!

VIVA LA CANADA

[Variable Wind]

im going to canada too!!

well have an ex soldiers reunion in canada!!!!

VIVA LA CANADA

Yeah enjoy that socialized medicine. You do realize that the thing that has the most in common with the Military Bureaucracy is the Canadian Government.

Out of the frying pan eh?

[oh_canada]

LOL hahahahah :-)

[redhat37]

I got orders to report in november to deploy.
I don't plan on showing up

[Battleshort]

I got orders to report in november to deploy.
I don't plan on showing up

...and when they catch you, some big boy in Leavenwoth is going to make you his butt buddy.

Coward.

[Seasons]

I got orders to report in november to deploy.
I don't plan on showing up

Congrats! The next time a deserter makes news headlines, we can say "we saw it start here".

[redhat37]

...and when they catch you, some big boy in Leavenwoth is going to make you his butt buddy.

Coward.

Catch me? They can't do s*** if I don't show up for this IRR bulls***
Not bound by ucmj, no civilian laws in effect, blah blah blah

[Variable Wind]

Catch me? They can't do s*** if I don't show up for this IRR bulls***
Not bound by ucmj, no civilian laws in effect, blah blah blah

Not so fast, you are still under contract. It also covers you being in the IRR.

[Battleshort]

Catch me? They can't do s*** if I don't show up for this IRR bulls***
Not bound by ucmj, no civilian laws in effect, blah blah blah

Leave your name at the door.

We'll send KY and Tampax.

[Seasons]

Catch me? They can't do s*** if I don't show up for this IRR bulls***
Not bound by ucmj, no civilian laws in effect, blah blah blah

Nice try. You received orders. You're IRR. UCMJ applies. You're fucked.

Literally, if you try and dodge.

Coward.

[ramrod]

I got orders to report in november to deploy.
I don't plan on showing up

Bunch of whiny, irresponsible babies who can't hold up to their end of the bargain. Is this what you plan to do when confronted with issues the rest of your life? Turn around and run? Pathetic.

[vette88]

Catch me? They can't do s*** if I don't show up for this IRR bulls***
Not bound by ucmj, no civilian laws in effect, blah blah blah

What a dirt bag to say the least. You signed a contract to be on IRR too when you toke an oath.

[Wes_Mantooth]

Nice try. You received orders. You're IRR. UCMJ applies. You're fucked.

Literally, if you try and dodge.

Coward.

Not true, not true, not true at all. UCMJ DOES NOT apply to those individuals in the IRR. If you don't show you'll be administratively separated with a characterization of discharge anywhere from Honorable to OTH. This has been addressed at great length in the previous posts.

[Variable Wind]

Im sorry Wes, I have to say this, you may have the best Screen Name on this forum period.

[Seasons]

Not true, not true, not true at all. UCMJ DOES NOT apply to those individuals in the IRR. If you don't show you'll be administratively separated with a characterization of discharge anywhere from Honorable to OTH. This has been addressed at great length in the previous posts.

802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.
(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.
(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.
(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial.
(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces.
(9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.
(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field.
(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

As per 802-2.a.1, because he's been lawfully ordered into duty/training, upon duty date he is subject to the UCMJ, whether he shows or not. At that point, he can be held to the laws of the UCMJ for desertion, AWOL, and missing a movement.

[spyshark69]

The IRR is ABSOLUTELY deploying those in its ranks. I just got released from active duty in May after 4yrs and currently have just received mobilization orders to Iraq. I am not in a combat arms or critical MOS, in fact my MOS is overstaffed in every way imaginable. Plus they gave me 30 days to be at the mob site. Like I'm suppose to rush and pack up my bags and fly out.

I am an extremely patriotic person and have a whole room dedicated to my army stuff. I've got my awards, medals, portraits, gear, etc all setup nicely. However, that being said, I absolutely refuse to show up for this IRR recall. I just got back from a 15 month deployment in March. I was stop lossed so immediately outprocessed the army upon my return. Now they expect me to return 5 months later? 3 months after being discharged?! Don't you think I would have taken the $20k reservist bonus and 2yr stabilization if I supported this war?!?!

This is absolutely insane. I'm not scared to be back, I have an administrative job with minimal danger. I got out of the military because I don't support this war. Period. I've started college full-time, work full-time, just purchased a home and finally got to spend a holiday(July 4th) with my wife. I have yet to spend a single Thanksgiving or Christmas in the past 4yrs because of being overseas every time.

The IRR can kiss my a$$. The papers are already shredded! I am a civilian and refuse to be treated like this. It makes me happy to see other IRR members ignoring this sh$t.

[Seasons]

The IRR is ABSOLUTELY deploying those in its ranks. I just got released from active duty in May after 4yrs and currently have just received mobilization orders to Iraq. I am not in a combat arms or critical MOS, in fact my MOS is overstaffed in every way imaginable. Plus they gave me 30 days to be at the mob site. Like I'm suppose to rush and pack up my bags and fly out.

I am an extremely patriotic person and have a whole room dedicated to my army stuff. I've got my awards, medals, portraits, gear, etc all setup nicely. However, that being said, I absolutely refuse to show up for this IRR recall. I just got back from a 15 month deployment in March. I was stop lossed so immediately outprocessed the army upon my return. Now they expect me to return 5 months later? 3 months after being discharged?! Don't you think I would have taken the $20k reservist bonus and 2yr stabilization if I supported this war?!?!

This is absolutely insane. I'm not scared to be back, I have an administrative job with minimal danger. I got out of the military because I don't support this war. Period. I've started college full-time, work full-time, just purchased a home and finally got to spend a holiday(July 4th) with my wife. I have yet to spend a single Thanksgiving or Christmas in the past 4yrs because of being overseas every time.

The IRR can kiss my a$$. The papers are already shredded! I am a civilian and refuse to be treated like this. It makes me happy to see other IRR members ignoring this sh$t.

Thanks for your service. See my above post. Have fun in court.

[Wes_Mantooth]

802. ART. 2. PERSONS SUBJECT TO THIS CHAPTER
(a) The following persons are subject to this chapter:
(1) Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.
(2) Cadets, aviation cadets, and midshipman.
(3) Members of a reserve component while on inactive-duty training, but in the case of members of the Army National Guard of the United States or the Air National Guard of the United States only when in Federal Service.
(4) Retired members of a regular component of the armed forces who are entitled to pay.
(5) Retired members of a reserve component who are receiving hospitalization from an armed force.
(6) Members of the Fleet Reserve and Fleet Marine Corps Reserve.
(7) Persons in custody of the armed forces serving a sentence imposed by a court-martial.
(8) Members of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Public Health Service, and other organizations, when assigned to and serving with the armed forces.
(9) Prisoners of war in custody of the armed forces.
(10) In time of war, persons serving with or accompanying an armed force in the field.
(11) Subject to any treaty or agreement which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons serving with, employed by, or accompanying the armed forces outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.
(12) Subject to any treaty or agreement t which the United States is or may be a party to any accepted rule of international law, persons within an area leased by or otherwise reserved or acquired for use of the United States which is under the control of the Secretary concerned and which is outside the United States and outside the Canal Zone, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, Guam, and the Virgin Islands.

As per 802-2.a.1, because he's been lawfully ordered into duty/training, upon duty date he is subject to the UCMJ, whether he shows or not. At that point, he can be held to the laws of the UCMJ for desertion, AWOL, and missing a movement.

I love selective copy and pasting and reading. This applies to "Members of a regular component of the armed forces" and those under Title 10 status. Reserve members do NOT have title 10 status and are NOT members of the regular army. Try again.

[Variable Wind]

I love selective copy and pasting and reading. This applies to "Members of a regular component of the armed forces" and those under Title 10 status. Reserve members do NOT have title 10 status and are NOT members of the regular army. Try again.

Just curious, but once you are called up from the IRR, arent you considered a member of the regular component? I am going to assume that the orders follow naming you into that status.

[Wes_Mantooth]

Just curious, but once you are called up from the IRR, arent you considered a member of the regular component? I am going to assume that the orders follow naming you into that status.

Right, but they can't just send the orders in the mail and assume you got them. Think about it, the burden of proof in a court-martial is beyond a reasonable doubt. Who's to say the orders didn't get lost in the mail, sent to the wrong address, maybe someone stole your mail, maybe the postman dropped the letter in between the seats...they have to prove that none of that mess happened beyond all doubt. Now if you signed for your orders..that's a bit different. Bu to answer your question, no, merely mailing orders to a Soldier does not put you on title 10 status or make you a member of the regular army.

[Seasons]

I love selective copy and pasting and reading. This applies to "Members of a regular component of the armed forces" and those under Title 10 status. Reserve members do NOT have title 10 status and are NOT members of the regular army. Try again.

You misunderstand the use of semi-colons, don't you? Lemme break that section down for ya.

Applies to:
1. Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; and
2. volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; and
3. inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and
4. other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.

As an IRR with orders to report, you fall under #4.

[Wes_Mantooth]

AR 27-10 Paragraph 21-2 tells you the Reservist when you are subject to UCMJ. Only when under Title 10 Status.

21–2. Policy
a. USAR Soldiers will be subject to the UCMJ whenever they are in a title 10, United States Code, duty status.
Examples of such duty status are active duty (AD); active duty for training (ADT); annual training (AT); Active Guard/
Reserve (AGR) duty; inactive duty training (IDT). IDT normally consists of weekend drills by troop program units, but
may also include any training authorized by appropriate authority. USAR Soldiers are subject to the UCMJ from the
date scheduled to report to AD, ADT, AT, or IDT until the date the Soldier is released from that status.

[Seasons]

Right, but they can't just send the orders in the mail and assume you got them. Think about it, the burden of proof in a court-martial is beyond a reasonable doubt. Who's to say the orders didn't get lost in the mail, sent to the wrong address, maybe someone stole your mail, maybe the postman dropped the letter in between the seats...they have to prove that none of that mess happened beyond all doubt. Now if you signed for your orders..that's a bit different. Bu to answer your question, no, merely mailing orders to a Soldier does not put you on title 10 status or make you a member of the regular army.

Which is why when you don't respond they'll send you certified mail. At which point the destruction or tampering of the orders becomes a crime.

[Wes_Mantooth]

You misunderstand the use of semi-colons, don't you? Lemme break that section down for ya.

Applies to:
1. Members of a regular component of the armed forces, including those awaiting discharge after expiration of their terms of enlistment; and
2. volunteers from the time of their muster or acceptance into the armed forces; and
3. inductees from the time of their actual induction into the armed forces; and
4. other persons lawfully called or ordered into, or to duty in or for training in the armed forces, from the dates when they are required by the terms of the call or order to obey it.

As an IRR with orders to report, you fall under #4.

No it doesn't bro. I was 27D for 6 years working entirely in the Criminal Law shop at every duty station. I'm not trying to pick a fight or anything, I'm just saying, its been my experience that there is a jurisdictional issue when it comes to prosecuting reservists for crimes. And this particular issue of no-shows has been hashed and re-hashed and re-hashed in the JAG Corps. We cannot prosecute these guys for not showing. We can administratively Separate them..but not court-martial them. Another thing, legal docs usually spell out who they apply to and if this indeed applied to reservist, don't ya think they would specifically name all the components of the military to which this thing applies? Oh, wait they did, its only the regular component. :-) Again, this excerpt you're using is under US Code TITLE 10, or call it the MCM if ya want (Manual for Courts-Martial). We do in the Jag Corps..or used to I should say.

[Wes_Mantooth]

Which is why when you don't respond they'll send you certified mail. At which point the destruction or tampering of the orders becomes a crime.

Not really. You can make a request to the post office that you are not receiving any kind of packages or mail that needs to be signed for at your residence. That's not tampering, that's your right to receive your mail in any way, shape or form you desire. Its the American way !

[Variable Wind]

Not really. You can make a request to the post office that you are not receiving any kind of packages or mail that needs to be signed for at your residence. That's not tampering, that's your right to receive your mail in any way, shape or form you desire. Its the American way !

Yeah but once you sign for that certified letter. Your signature says you have it.

[Wes_Mantooth]

Yeah but once you sign for that certified letter. Your signature is in.

Right. So don't sign for it. If you don't want to receive certified mail, then tell the post office not to deliver that stuff to your house. Or just refuse to sign at the door. You know you can refuse to sign for mail right?

[Variable Wind]

Right. So don't sign for it. If you don't want to receive certified mail, then tell the post office not to deliver that stuff to your house. Or just refuse to sign at the door. You know you can refuse to sign for mail right?

Well its kind of late in the game for these cats. Plus, the military sends damn near everything via certified mail so how are you supposed to know that is what they are sending you? It also depends on your post office. The one I grew up next to will NOT give you your mail without signing for it. You can refuse to sign, but then you dont get your mail.