USMC boot camp tougher than the others?

[ringjamesa]

Wait a sec - doesn't DoD set the minimum for all services at 19? At least I thought that was the case...

Nope....each service sets their minimum standard. The Army has been lowering theirs, the AF raised theirs. The DoD did "renorm" the scores a number of years ago though-I guess the kids these days are stupider? You are EXTREMELY limited in MOS choices (2) but you can get in. Sorry but as far as DoD standards, I don't think the Navy has much room to talk.....have you seen the DoD weight standards? Have you seen some of the female sailors? ..how does THAT happen?

:-)

[Variable Wind]

I thought it used to be 32.

[NineWorlds]

Nope....each service sets their minimum standard. The Army has been lowering theirs, the AF raised theirs. The DoD did "renorm" the scores a number of years ago though-I guess the kids these days are stupider? You are EXTREMELY limited in MOS choices (2) but you can get in. Sorry but as far as DoD standards, I don't think the Navy has much room to talk.....have you seen the DoD weight standards? Have you seen some of the female sailors? ..how does THAT happen?

:-)

Ygg here - just riding this one out until Friday.

To answer the question concerning the weight standards, the CNO at the time - Admiral Vern Clark - the man with a bunch of "good ideas" (sarcasm) felt that people were failing the PRT on purpose to get a discharge, so he made it so that it merely has an adverse affect on the EVAL/FITREP. The result? People who would have been out-of-shape fatasses whether they were being discharged or not are all over the place.

Slowly, the Navy started bringing back the discharge for PRT failures in 2005, and it's about to be finalized. We have the same body fat requirements as the other services (except the USMC who has even more strict requirements), only over the last decade, the consequences for not meeting them weren't as dire as they're going to be once more.

[ringjamesa]

Can't be THAT hard...an Autistic kid made it through.....

:D :D :D

[SSgtAllen3381]

Can't be THAT hard...an Austitic kid made it through.....

What is "Austitic"? Anyway, MAYBE he's one tough Autistic SOB? I mean that in a good way. :)

[ringjamesa]

Sew eye Kant spull....

[SSgtAllen3381]

Sew eye Kant spull....

Neither can I, I used dictionary.com for everyword. That's why it takes me so long to respond.

:)

[Cobra5]

All Marines are forged from the same fire. We all go through the same basic training. That's what makes us the best. Even though USMCDFJR might be pushing paper, he could still plug you with an M16 open sights from 500 yards. No matter what our job, all Marines must remain ready to go at any time. Rifle range, gas chamber and NBC training, CWSQ, and martial arts must remain current. No matter what your job. We are all Marines, not matter what the job. And we always have each others back.

I'm in the AF and can consistently hit a target at 800M with a 240B, open sights, one round at a time (that means one quick pull, not holding it down for you less intelligent folks out there). Does that make me insanely bad ass then?

[Your_Name_Here]

I'm in the AF and can consistently hit a target at 800M with a 240B, open sights, one round at a time (that means one quick pull, not holding it down for you less intelligent folks out there). Does that make me insanely bad ass then?

Hey C5,

Be advised, I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer from that guy you responded to; that post is what, TWO years old?

It's all good tho.:)

[Cobra5]

Hey C5,

Be advised, I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer from that guy you responded to; that post is what, TWO years old?

It's all good tho.:)

Oh I know...I just wanted to be a sarcastic douche that's all.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Oh I know...I just wanted to be a sarcastic douche that's all.

Mission Accomplished. :thumbup:

[Shrike]

Hey C5,

Be advised, I wouldn't hold my breath for an answer from that guy you responded to; that post is what, TWO years old?

It's all good tho.:)

Yeah, Measure Man and I put a much deserved tag-team mocking on bomber, and he hasn't been back with his elitist idiocy since. He actually had some good things to say in other threads, but he just couldn't get past the fact that he was the baddest dude on the planet...in his own mind, of course.

[Cobra5]

Mission Accomplished. :thumbup:

I try. :cool:

[Yggdrasil]

Well, before we talk about an autistic man making it through Marine boot camp, we have point out the difference between retardation and autism. While retardation comes with autism in most cases, there are many autistic people with an IQ above 80, taking them out of the "retarded" category (I'm told that there's a similar case with Down's Syndrome as well, though I haven't seen it personally). An extreme example would be Temple Grandin, professor of animal science at Colorado State University - autistic woman who earned her PhD from University of Illinois.

I believe that it wasn't until the 19th or early 20th century that they were able to separate autism from retardation, but from my readings, there are many accounts of Michaelangelo's personality that suggests that he was autistic as well.

So when I first saw that article, the fact that an autistic person made it through boot camp didn't shock me at all - I was just curious to see if high functioning autistic people were actually allowed in the military.

[topjohn8511]

Holy smokes, Batman; this was a fun read. All of the emotionally charged posts in this thread are very entertaining. There's also ten tons of false statements; what a shock!

I don't know if Marine Corps Recruit Training is the toughest, but I know that I tried as hard as I could to make it so when I was at PI. I only had certain tools at my disposal, as I'm sure the staff of the various branch's basic training facilities have. I've heard some Army folks speak poorly of basic if it's not at Benning, or one of the other segregated spots...Just what they say is all.

That alleged "warbyrd" is really embarrassing. I can't believe he didn't know where the USMC sits in the overall scheme, or that he spent 12+ years believing we're the only force that can project power on short notice. What a hoot! MEUs are great, and they're almost tailor-made for fast insertion (NEOs and TRAPs are some examples of specialties). That doesn't cheapen the Army's ability to project power, or the force and effect that a CAG showing up on a country's doorstep has. B-52s anyone? Does warbyrd remember the days of SAC?

The OP topic? Different focus for different goals. The USAF has made great strides recently in becoming more military in their approach. A few buddies of mine in the USAF have discussed this, as well as the hiccups it is causing among those that grew accustomed to the corporate lifestyle of the USAF.

I don't know how "tough" Air Force basic training is these days, but I would bet that USMC Recruit Training is "tougher." That would be a VERY tough bet to collect on, since tough is a relative term. While the academic aspects of USAF basic are probably very demanding, in preparation for the logistics of shipping gymnasiums and plasma televisions on deployments, I don't know how we can truly quantify "tough."

Remarks about the JCS remind me that some are overlooking my Commandant's permanent seat at that table.

I know that I would never fail to come to the aid of a fellow service member, to include my Air Force brothers and sisters. Inter-service jabs will continue until the cows come home. :D

I only commented on this thread because it's so fun, and a neat topic.

[bruceleeyourface]

What is your measuring stick?

we're all pretty much the same.


Hooah!

haha wtf?

chair force.
you guys eat burger king during bootcamp!!! witnessed.
oh AND have integrated divisions...meaning GUYS and GIRLS train together.
Marines are marines because the air force is the air force. get it?
COMPLETELY different training styles.
just like navy doesnt train for cqb in boot. they train how to RUN A SHIP.
just look at length of boot and the runs/ pt tests. proof right there.
but just like anything, its up to the individual. you make it what it is.
you probably just had a hard time in AF boot and felt attacked when people say its weak and the CLUB MED of bootcamps.
seen it with my own two eyes.

[Variable Wind]

haha wtf?

chair force.
you guys eat burger king during bootcamp!!! witnessed.
oh AND have integrated divisions...meaning GUYS and GIRLS train together.
Marines are marines because the air force is the air force. get it?
COMPLETELY different training styles.
just like navy doesnt train for cqb in boot. they train how to RUN A SHIP.
just look at length of boot and the runs/ pt tests. proof right there.
but just like anything, its up to the individual. you make it what it is.
you probably just had a hard time in AF boot and felt attacked when people say its weak and the CLUB MED of bootcamps.
seen it with my own two eyes.

Apparently, putting intelligible sentances together wasnt a prereq for the Marines.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Apparently, putting intelligible sentances together wasnt a prereq for the Marines.

VW...you may want to hit up that spell check one time. ;) :thumbup:

[Seasons]

haha wtf?

chair force.
you guys eat burger king during bootcamp!!! witnessed.
oh AND have integrated divisions...meaning GUYS and GIRLS train together.
Marines are marines because the air force is the air force. get it?
COMPLETELY different training styles.
just like navy doesnt train for cqb in boot. they train how to RUN A SHIP.
just look at length of boot and the runs/ pt tests. proof right there.
but just like anything, its up to the individual. you make it what it is.
you probably just had a hard time in AF boot and felt attacked when people say its weak and the CLUB MED of bootcamps.
seen it with my own two eyes.

How can you see anything if someone Bruce Lee'ed your face?

Is there something wrong with integrated divisions, I might ask?

[TJMAC77SP]

There is a common theme running through all the "USMC is the toughest of all" posts.....................

Redundancy, redundancy and also some redundancy............................

To paraphrase Shakespeare…..” "The man doth protest too much, methinks”

[Variable Wind]

VW...you may want to hit up that spell check one time. ;) :thumbup:

Im not talking about spelling :D Im talking about syntax. If you speak in sentEnce fragments in order to get your point across, you end up sounding like those guys in Nigeria trying to send me millions.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Im not talking about spelling :D Im talking about syntax. If you speak in sentEnce fragments in order to get your point across, you end up sounding like those guys in Nigeria trying to send me millions.

LOL. I'm still waiting on my check too. One of those SOB called my house 3 times one day...yes, I'm on the no call list. :D :D

[TJMAC77SP]

LOL. I'm still waiting on my check too. One of those SOB called my house 3 times one day...yes, I'm on the no call list. :D :D

You mean that I am NOT getting any money ?!?!?!?!?!

[SSgtAllen3381]

Oh, I'm sure your check is in the mail too. It should have been explained in the 22 emails you got from them...all different people at that.

[Seasons]

It don' t need a registered member to get some big attention for his post. To freshen things up boot camp is not only on what do you think that leads you to your grave. It also offers a wellness benefits to your life. Haven't you heard about the fitness and weight loss boot camp? See, it's not only for men separated with boys, it's also for everyone.
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Funny how everybody missed this signature spam on the first page.

[ringjamesa]

haha wtf?

chair force.
you guys eat burger king during bootcamp!!! witnessed.
oh AND have integrated divisions...meaning GUYS and GIRLS train together.
Marines are marines because the air force is the air force. get it?
COMPLETELY different training styles.
just like navy doesnt train for cqb in boot. they train how to RUN A SHIP.
just look at length of boot and the runs/ pt tests. proof right there.
but just like anything, its up to the individual. you make it what it is.
you probably just had a hard time in AF boot and felt attacked when people say its weak and the CLUB MED of bootcamps.
seen it with my own two eyes.

Boy!! Are you the stupidest Marine ever or are you an accurate representation of ALL Marines. I sincerely hope it is the former not the latter. First off, are you telling me that when your family comes to see you graduate, you are not allowed to eat with them on base lib? If not fine...point in your favor..:rolleyes:
Secondly, the AF has not, does not, nor will it ever have integrated DIVISIONS. The AF doesn't even have Divisions much less integrated ones. If you use PT tests as your measure, then rack a point up for the AF because with the exception of the pull-ups, out min standard is higher. You would definitely have a hard time at AF Basic Training since your grasp of the English language is tenuous at best...

[Yggdrasil]

How can you see anything if someone Bruce Lee'ed your face?

Is there something wrong with integrated divisions, I might ask?

Yes, I'll tell you what's wrong with integrated divisions.

In the Navy, males who ship off to Great Lakes on Thursdays (and Fridays, in the summer months) are in all-male divisions. Those who ship on Mon-Wed are integrated divisions.

I shipped on a Thursday myself. Our RDC's spoke to us with the SAME vocabulay that Lee Ermey did in Full Metal Jacket. I seriously doubt that an MTI/RDC/Drill Sergeant would EVER get away with asking some weary recruit his pussy hurts, for example, when there are females around.

And course, when it comes to PT'ing the recruits, you can only push all of your recruits as hard as you can push the females.

Personally, I think all services need to separate the genders in training.

[Variable Wind]

Yes, I'll tell you what's wrong with integrated divisions.

In the Navy, males who ship off to Great Lakes on Thursdays (and Fridays, in the summer months) are in all-male divisions. Those who ship on Mon-Wed are integrated divisions.

I shipped on a Thursday myself. Our RDC's spoke to us with the SAME vocabulay that Lee Ermey did in Full Metal Jacket. I seriously doubt that an MTI/RDC/Drill Sergeant would EVER get away with asking some weary recruit his pussy hurts, for example, when there are females around.

And course, when it comes to PT'ing the recruits, you can only push all of your recruits as hard as you can push the females.

Personally, I think all services need to separate the genders in training.

I have to agree with Yggs here. When I went to Knox, it was good training. No PC crap until I got to Eustis. Then there were fraternization and harassment briefings almost daily.

[SailorDave]

The difficulty of any course or portion of a course of instruction is directly proportional to the ability of the student. Academics and physical training only form parts of the course. Each individual will find it difficult or easy based on their capabilities and attitude.

It's the individual that makes a good Marine/Sailor/Soldier/Airman, not the course of instruction.

[eichampt1]

haha wtf?

chair force.
you guys eat burger king during bootcamp!!! witnessed.
oh AND have integrated divisions...meaning GUYS and GIRLS train together.
Marines are marines because the air force is the air force. get it?
COMPLETELY different training styles.
just like navy doesnt train for cqb in boot. they train how to RUN A SHIP.
just look at length of boot and the runs/ pt tests. proof right there.
but just like anything, its up to the individual. you make it what it is.
you probably just had a hard time in AF boot and felt attacked when people say its weak and the CLUB MED of bootcamps.
seen it with my own two eyes.


And there we have it folks. The Marines are so tough, they have to write posts like this to ascert their dominance in the world. Someone is suffering from chronic inferiority complex. "I've seen it with my own two eyes".

[Yggdrasil]

And there we have it folks. The Marines are so tough, they have to write posts like this to ascert their dominance in the world. Someone is suffering from chronic inferiority complex. "I've seen it with my own two eyes".

Just from an unbiased third party outside-looking-in standpoint, Airmen are no better when it comes talking about smart they are.

[TJMAC77SP]

Almost two years later and everyone is saying the same thing (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=62530&postcount=30)......................sad.

[TJMAC77SP]

Here is an interesting fact. I think it is safe to say that when you discuss how hard or how tough a particular type of military training is the attrition (i.e. failure) rate is often cited. For example BUDS (SEALS initial training) is around 70%, Ranger School is at around 60%, and AF Combat Controller selection course is at around 50%. Accepting this premise, consider the following………..

Failure rates for US armed forces basic training.

Navy 14.0%

Army 13.6%

Marines 11.7%

Air Force 7.1%


Things that make you go ‘Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm’

[SailorDave]

Although it's been a long while since I attended Boot Camp, I can tell you that it wasn't that difficult for me, either academically or physically. Because I was ready for it when I got there. Most of the new Sailors I see aren't Adonis' or anything, they're not coming out like the statue of David. They're just normal people. I think the failure rates are mostly due to people who really aren't ready for it when they get there and get shocked to find they actually have to do something to make it through.

There should be a pre-screening test given to all potential recruits (both physically and academically) to try and guage a recruit's level of capability before they even arrive. At least then, they'd have an idea of what they can do to improve their chances of making it through.

[eichampt1]

Just from an unbiased third party outside-looking-in standpoint, Airmen are no better when it comes talking about smart they are.

As far as initiating the shit-talking I'd say wrong, but once the ball is rolling, yes, we are as bad as anyone else...myself included.

[ringjamesa]

Here is an interesting fact. I think it is safe to say that when you discuss how hard or how tough a particular type of military training is the attrition (i.e. failure) rate is often cited. For example BUDS (SEALS initial training) is around 70%, Ranger School is at around 60%, and AF Combat Controller selection course is at around 50%. Accepting this premise, consider the following………..
Failure rates for US armed forces basic training.
Navy 14.0%
Army 13.6%
Marines 11.7%
Air Force 7.1%
Things that make you go ‘Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm’

lies...damn lies...and statistics. I could use those very same statistics to "prove" to you that the AF has the best Recruiters and the Navy has the worst Recruiters-better screening=less washouts. I could also use those statistics to "prove" that the AF does the best job of training their trainees-better training=less dropouts right?

[TJMAC77SP]

lies...damn lies...and statistics. I could use those very same statistics to "prove" to you that the AF has the best Recruiters and the Navy has the worst Recruiters-better screening=less washouts. I could also use those statistics to "prove" that the AF does the best job of training their trainees-better training=less dropouts right?

Easy there skippy. I think you missed the tongue-in-cheek irony of my post (and others couldn’t possibly get it and ignored it). After two years this thread (and the others of the same ilk) are being kept going by the same ponderously inane bullshit.

((of course I might have missed your sarcasm if intended as such))

[Yggdrasil]

Hell, those stats could also mean that the Navy is more willing to let people go than the other services as well. Which could very well be the case right now.

Our boot camp isn't that bad, however, I think the only part that might make people washout is the fact that RTC Great Lakes is a very gloomy, depressing place. I mean, I used to live right down the street from Lackland; and I stayed a night on Fort Jackson back in '06.

While I was on Fort Jackson, I was driving on post on got lost - way out in the sticks, and saw recruits doing all sorts of things that actually appeared to be fun. Hell, the fact that they actually got to be that far from the barracks is cool enough on it's own. There's no "fun factor" in Navy boot camp. No road marches, no pugil stick fighting, no bivuacing (sp?), no stabbing dummies with bayonets, or any of that crap - Navy boot camp is boring and depressing, and consists mostly of just getting fucked with by RDCs, and every now and then, we'll do damage control and seamanship skills - but nowhere near on the daily basis that the Army does combat training in it's boot camp. I watched how the depressing environment of Great Lakes actually drove people out of their minds, and to go UA.

[SailorDave]

Oh, look. A dead horse. Anyone got a stick ??

[Variable Wind]

Yeah, I thought basic training was a blast. The weather sucked, and the drill sgts were tough but thats all part of the experience. Id do it again if I got the chance.

[sandangel2001]

lies...damn lies...and statistics. I could use those very same statistics to "prove" to you that the AF has the best Recruiters and the Navy has the worst Recruiters-better screening=less washouts. I could also use those statistics to "prove" that the AF does the best job of training their trainees-better training=less dropouts right?

:tongue: I just had to grin.
RJ, we can use stats to back up most anything. Correct me if I am wrong but the training material is different. Different training is going to result in differing stats.
Inter service rivalary!
;)

[gymnast101]

Here is an interesting fact. I think it is safe to say that when you discuss how hard or how tough a particular type of military training is the attrition (i.e. failure) rate is often cited. For example BUDS (SEALS initial training) is around 70%, Ranger School is at around 60%, and AF Combat Controller selection course is at around 50%. Accepting this premise, consider the following………..

Failure rates for US armed forces basic training.

Navy 14.0%

Army 13.6%

Marines 11.7%

Air Force 7.1%


Things that make you go ‘Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm’
that does make me think: :::::eek: :eek: :cheers: ;)

[gymnast101]

I'll be on my way when I'm good and ready.

I guess it depends how you define difficult. I had a prior Marine in my AF boot camp that flunked the academic test. He wasn't too bright.

i am thinking about being a marine do u guys think its a good idea:thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown

[Yggdrasil]

i am thinking about being a marine do u guys think its a good idea:thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown

If you're going to be like Michaep, i.e., having a some Napoleon Complex if a Marine were to say, "My boot camp is tougher than yours," then I say yes, go for it - that way, you at least take away other people's abililty to do that to you...

[scn.newman]

Marine Corps boot camp is 13 weeks of intense workouts and scrutiny.

Do not arrive fat and lazy or you we be put into a conditionaing platoon. Welcome to an extended stay. Go in with some stamina. From the time from MEP's or Military Enlistment Processing Center the fisrt time, weeks or months can go by, depends on when your slot opens.

Then you visit MEP's gain before you leave for boot.

Week one, arrive on a Monday or Tuesday and get sent to processing. Here you are issued utilities, the Army calls them BDU's. You are given a haircut and screamed at constantly. You also retake the Asvab and reach the "Moment of truth" where you are told to confess what you did not tell the recruiter. Shut your mouth at this point, only a written criminal record will appear, do not say I smoked pot and used crack....just shut up unless you omitted a criminal offense, DUI, etc. You tell your recruiter and he will get waivers ok. My recruiter went to a "failure to appear" hearing for a speeding ticket I got and it was dismissed!

Friday of that week you are introduced to your DI's....oh, by the way in processing you will get 6 to 8 hours sleep total for that week. Maybe! I got 4 and my brother hot like 10! Depends on the prcessing DI's, usually these guys are trying to become DI's and are a-holes.

First phase 4 weeks...break you down, force you to quit on yourself. The individual is dropped and team is the key, unity...one fails, you all fail. Drill, PT, Drill PT...meet your weapon. Wisdom teeth will be pulled....wash with salt water at the chow as much as you can. You get 1 minute to eat, so do not waste your damn time and just eat!

Request a sit down head call right after you eat or you will be uncomfortable for hours. Try and dump before you go eat.

Remember, you can do this....this phase is designed with mind games and even if you do well...you are told you did not. You know, so keep it to yourself and stay positive.

Second Phase 4 weeks...teach you - train you, rifle range, intense beach runs....etc. say goodbye...this is the hardest phase. Do not unc or un-qulaify, or you could be rolled back. I had never shot a weapon before and got "Expert" its a matter of listening to your instructor...trust me.

Third Phase 4 weeks, build you, train you...encourage you. But still drill, PT, learn the most of what you will need in History and tradition. 12 hour guard duty! PT, Drill...PT! But you will be shocked at how much you can take, by week 9/10 you can take whatever they can dish out! If you did a great job in the pool, you could be selected for Marine warfare jobs...pre-screaned for recon etc. If you had good proficiency and conduct scores, HM1 or presidential security jobs. There will be offers for other MOS's if you do well in boot. Take full advantage of this!

Want a trick? Spend one hour each night squaring away your stuff...uniforms boots, etc. Don't waste time sending honey-bunny letters, this is what Sunday's are for and you will not have the energy. get your stuff done and be AJ squared away. Volunteer to be wisky locker recruit....its the best job in boot as you will not do half the cleaning others do. You will have access to a washer, but do not get caught...line dry your junk like everyone else does, otherwise you get to hand-wash your filthy clothes. Nobody questions why you are doing wash...it is your job!

On Sunday's go to church...No DI's and its a break from them. We slept in church and watched out for each other.

You will be assigned to your MOS school...Recruits that enlisted open-contract that scored well on GT and ASVAB will become MP's, S-2, S-4, air wing stuff, intelligence. As I was an open-contract, I was assigned to Anglico - a great job as far as Marines go. The students that had lower GT ASVAB scores will in general get offered jobs the Marine Corps has a tough time filling. This could be a cook or jobs that people prefer not to have. As I have been properly corrected, food service can be a rewarding career, in fact it is one of the fastest promoting fields. But I would not personally seek this job.

Vistors Sundat the week of graduation...this is fun. Then you get about 10 days leave, report to first MOS school. Grunts will be sent to several schools.

In boot camp you do get paid, at the end! You will get a direct deposit or check "less airfare" to your first duty school. Yep...you pay for it. Decline this, say your mom works for Delta and use some other form of search engine to get your ticket. I did this and it worked. Not so much lying as it is saving about 200 bucks.

Most people would pass through Marine boot camp if they do not give up, yeah it’s not easy...but not impossible. They reason it is 13 weeks is that they want you to be a bad-ass, so they take their time making you one. When you graduate you will feel invincible.

Do not f##k up when you go home, do not drink and drive, stay away from those that will take you down the wrong path.

Complain to other PFC's and L. Cpl's, but do not bitch to people above your pay grade...to NCO's and staff...you will get labeled. Everyone new to the corps is treated like crap, so just accept it. After 18 months you will start to get salty and it gets to be fun. Once you make E-4, life starts to really improve! Just do your job and remember you have 30 days off a year, play by the rules and do your best and your Marine life will be a good one like mine.

Rules to Live By:

Petty Officer 2nd Class Carl Hall, Seal Team 3: "Your reputaion starts the day you walk in the door" so keep the respect of others and make an effort everday.

Sgt. First Class Juan Rivera, Airborne Jump Instructor: "If you are not willing, do not volunteer."

Gysgt Tom Burke, USMC Pistol Instructor: "If you never attempted...you failed."

All of these quotes have stuck in my head....and they are all about making an effort!!!

Semper Fi-ght

Stephen Newman

[SSgtAllen3381]

You will be assigned to your MOS school...intelligent open contracts will become MP's, good jobs, air wing stuff, intelligence. The dumb asses will become cooks and the jobs nobody wants.


Stephen Newman

I was all with listening to your post until I read that. If you are misinformed on certain things, you really shouldn't put them out in public.

Not all Cooks are dumb and not all open contracts are dumb. You'll be surprised at the number of Marines out there that enjoy their job as a Food Service Specialist.

[Variable Wind]

I was all with listening to your post until I read that. If you are misinformed on certain things, you really shouldn't put them out in public.

Not all Cooks are dumb and not all open contracts are dumb. You'll be surprised at the number of Marines out there that enjoy their job as a Food Service Specialist.

And USMC cooks are pretty good in my experience. Much better than the crap they serve in the Army.

[Measure Man]

i am thinking about being a marine do u guys think its a good idea:thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown :thumbup: :thumbdown

It's a good idea for some people...for others it isn't.

[scn.newman]

Ok....I may be jaded here and I am not trying to be rude...but 90% of Devildogs I know did not enlist to be cooks. Granted it is one of the fastest promoting MOS's in the Corps, I aplogize for saying dumb - I should retract that in the post. I was an open contract, in fact I was assigned to Anglico but after going through the school of infantry and jump school, the MOS was deactivated. The option I was given for retraining was Air Traffic Contraol or the MP field, I chose the MP field. Its just that most recruits that scored low on GT and ASVAB are given few choices, it just so happens many become cooks. I spun this as a bad thing as I had no desire to be a cook in the Marine Corps.

Stephen

[scn.newman]

I corrected my post, my apologies to Marines abroad that are in Food Service. I appreciated the efforts you put in as I always ate pretty well on base.

My sincerest apologies,

Stephen Newman

[SSgtAllen3381]

Mr. Newman, apology accepted and I appreciate it.

When I was an Instructor at Fort Lee, VA, when a Marine from either Fabric Repair, Bulk Fuel or Air Delivery was dropped from their respective schools...they were sent right over to us. No questions asked. Believe me, 90% of the Cooks I know now...don't want to be Cooks either. But, I happened to have liked being a Cook at one time. Since the Corps decided to cut us in half and "award" the Civilians with the contract to operate the Mess Halls...not so much now.

Thanks again and take care.

[ringjamesa]

Mr. Newman, apology accepted and I appreciate it.

When I was an Instructor at Fort Lee, VA, when a Marine from either Fabric Repair, Bulk Fuel or Air Delivery was dropped from their respective schools...they were sent right over to us. No questions asked. Believe me, 90% of the Cooks I know now...don't want to be Cooks either. But, I happened to have liked being a Cook at one time. Since the Corps decided to cut us in half and "award" the Civilians with the contract to operate the Mess Halls...not so much now.

Thanks again and take care.

Wow!! What kind of disability do you get for THAT?!?!?!

[Battleshort]

Wow!! What kind of disability do you get for THAT?!?!?!

50 percent.

[mel44]

Awww I was thinking double

[SSgtAllen3381]

50 percent.

Beat me to the punch. :D

[Stuntman]

They reason it is 13 weeks is that they want you to be a bad-ass, so they take their time making you one.


Sounds like someone is still a bit brainwashed.