USMC boot camp tougher than the others?

[Unregistered]

well this my make alot of fellow devil dogs upset but boot camp these days just sucks. its not hard, but still harder then the other branches. but its not what my older brothers and uncles said it would be. whatever the marines are still the best

[Measure Man]

its not hard, but still harder then the other branches.

How many other boot camps have you been to?

[SSgt2651]

How many other boot camps have you been to?
Are you actually prepared to make an argument that the Marine Corps' Recruit Training is not the most difficult basic training in the Armed Forces?

If so, please proceed. If not, be on your way.

[Measure Man]

Are you actually prepared to make an argument that the Marine Corps' Recruit Training is not the most difficult basic training in the Armed Forces?

If so, please proceed. If not, be on your way.

I'll be on my way when I'm good and ready.

I guess it depends how you define difficult. I had a prior Marine in my AF boot camp that flunked the academic test. He wasn't too bright.

[utdcomet]

I think making a flippant statement like Marine basic is "not hard" makes one's claims less than reliable. If this Marine believes that his personal experience persuades him to believe that Marine boot camp is not difficult, contrary to its general reputation, then how can he consider its reputation as the most difficult basic training to be true without some personal experience of other services' basic training?

EDIT: And I must agree with Measure Man in that different services test different facets of a person to different degrees. In that sense, difficult is quite subjective. Therefore, Marine basic may be easier than another service's basic, or it may be more difficult. I think, in general, it is the most difficult.

[SSgt2651]

I'll be on my way when I'm good and ready.

I guess it depends how you define difficult. I had a prior Marine in my AF boot camp that flunked the academic test. He wasn't too bright.
So the kid wasn't that bright. You're using one waterhead individual as your measuring stick of how difficult MC Recruit Training is?

Very well. If he was going from the MC to the AF, that alone tells you how "bright" he is.

[Measure Man]

So the kid wasn't that bright. You're using one waterhead individual as your measuring stick of how difficult MC Recruit Training is?

What is your measuring stick?


Very well. If he was going from the MC to the AF, that alone tells you how "bright" he is.

It sure does, it means he's brighter than the average Marine...hooah


Look, I wasn't really here claiming the AF had the more difficult basic training...asked a simple question of the person who was claiming the Marine Corps was the most difficult...simply asked how many he has been to.

Several of your posts are quick to reply "Have you been there"..."Have you done that"...so I'd expect you would see the logic.

But...if you'd like to argue on how "bright" the Marine Corps is vs. the Air Force...well, I'd think I'd enjoy that discussion....probably belongs in a separate thread, though.

Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for Marines...I"m guessing you haven't worked in many joint environments because you simply believe that "Our service is best" stuff that gets fed to every E-1 from every service in boot camp...your disdain for the other services is apparent. Let me guess...you also believe your MOS is the best...and your Unit is the best, am I right?

Most people (Marines as well) who've spent any amount of time in the joint environment figure out pretty quickly that no service has a monopoly on professionalism, excellence...or dirtbags for that matter. ...and that when it really comes down to it, we're all pretty much the same.

It's great to be proud of your service, and I'm glad you are...but I've looked through several of you posts and you frequently try to bump up the USMC by sort of ridiculing the other services...even though much of them are not even insults..such as "you want nice PT gear, join the AF" Becasue somehow looking shabby during PT makes the Marines better...doesn't appear your Commandant feels the same, you may want to get in line, SSgt.

Hooah!

[Scotty]

How many other boot camps have you been to?

I don't think one needs to have attended each boot camp to be able to assess the "toughness" of each of them. There is a great deal of information out ther on boot camp, in particular that of the Marine Corps.

I take your point that each service (and unit etc) likes to talk up themselves but so long as it's not out of control it can just be part of healthy competition. You have to concede that there are several points in favour of saying that the Marine Corps boot camp is tougher than the rest - The sheer length at 13 weeks and the intensity of the crucible to name just two aspects.

"Toughness" can't exactly be measured though. What's tough for one person might be a piece of cake for another. One recruit in tip top condition could ace the physical demands of Marine boot camp training but find learning the technical aspects of the Air Force to be utter hell.

[SSgt2111]

I'm surprised this post has received this much attention and controversy considering the initial post by "unregistered" sounds like a 3rd grader wrote it. "Whatever marines are still the best".

[MedicYak777]

So the kid wasn't that bright. You're using one waterhead individual as your measuring stick of how difficult MC Recruit Training is?

Very well. If he was going from the MC to the AF, that alone tells you how "bright" he is.

yeah that tells you he is very bright and wants to have a future and not just be a bullet catcher

[ringjamesa]

Apparently it is. For the DIs too. this one is facing 269 years in prison.
SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego drill instructor accused of abusing recruits could face a sentence of nearly 270 years in prison if he's convicted on all charges leveled against him, it was reported Thursday.

Sgt. Jerrod M. Glass postponed entering a plea Wednesday at San Diego Marine Corps Recruit Depot, where he was arraigned on 244 counts of abusing recruits. He also delayed his request to have a trial by judge or jury, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.
http://www.10news.com/news/13958629/detail.html

[Sailor in Phoenix]

Mind if a squid chimes in here? I went to Boot Camp in San Diego - yes, San Diego back in 1985. Looking back on it now, my experience was great. I changed into a completely different person during my time at the Training Center. I was 18 and in the best shape of my life at the time and left boot camp in even better shape. To me, the physical part was a piece of cake and I was only homesick for a day or two. The mental part took a while to get used to, but overall, my experience was solid.

I do agree that Marine Corps boot is probably more demanding, but my best friend in high school made it through with flying colors and I could run circles around his scrawny backside :tongue:

Furthermore, I spend a majority of my 8 years on active duty working closely with Marines and it's an experience I will never forget.

[usmcdfjr]

Simple answer for this post......Marines no one else comes close......

[ringjamesa]

See? A Marine uses the AF slogan to prove his point.

[usmcdfjr]

Everyone one does there share in the military just we do more.

Army: 18%
Navy: 8%
Air Force: 5%
Coast Guard: 16%
Marine Corps: 53%

[Shrike]

Everyone one does there share in the military just we do more.

Army: 18%
Navy: 8%
Air Force: 5%
Coast Guard: 16%
Marine Corps: 53%

Did you know that 80% of all statisticians agree that 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
:D

[Measure Man]

Everyone one does there share in the military just we do more.

Army: 18%
Navy: 8%
Air Force: 5%
Coast Guard: 16%
Marine Corps: 53%

Okay...what are these percentages supposed to be of?

[usmcdfjr]

I did make up the numbers just messing around but the Marines do more than our share, with much worse gear and equipment.

[ringjamesa]

and you know what they say about opinions.......

[usmcdfjr]

It is not a opinion it is a fact!!!

[Measure Man]

It is not a opinion it is a fact!!!

It is a fact...that it takes Marines 13 weeks to cover 41.5 hours of academic instruction...while the AF does 40 hours in 7 weeks.

Now what?

[usmcdfjr]

It is because we are the branch that is taking care of our country, the ones that are dieing everyday. We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World.

OORAH

[Measure Man]

It is because we are the branch that is taking care of our country, the ones that are dieing everyday. We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World.

OORAH

Good luck with that.

Seriously though...I love you guys....you are awesome.

[ringjamesa]

Apparently grammer, punctuation, and spelling aren't covered though.

[ringjamesa]

What is going on in San Diego? This guy faces a year in prison and the other one faces nearly 270 years?

A military jury on Tuesday convicted a drill instructor of violating recruit training regulations when he threw a set of keys at a recruit, injuring the young man’s eye.

But the four-member jury found Sgt. Mark A. Delarosa not guilty of 12 other counts, including five counts of assault and cruelty and maltreatment involving two other recruits, at a special court-martial at Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego.

The case went into the sentencing phase Wednesday. The jury, comprised of a captain, first lieutenant and two staff sergeants, could award no additional punishment or give Delarosa up to one year’s confinement and a bad-conduct discharge for the guilty verdict, which is considered a federal conviction.

Delarosa, 25, assigned to 1st Recruit Training Battalion, was charged in May with mishandling recruits during training earlier this year.


SAN DIEGO -- A San Diego drill instructor accused of abusing recruits could face a sentence of nearly 270 years in prison if he's convicted on all charges leveled against him, it was reported Thursday.

Sgt. Jerrod M. Glass postponed entering a plea Wednesday at San Diego Marine Corps Recruit Depot, where he was arraigned on 244 counts of abusing recruits. He also delayed his request to have a trial by judge or jury, The San Diego Union-Tribune reported.
http://www.10news.com/news/13958629/detail.html

[bomber1379]

Apparently grammer, punctuation, and spelling aren't covered though.

Yes, Marine boot camp does in fact leave those subjects out. We are trained to be obedient, fight, and to do more with less. Most of our syllabus is written at a 6th grade level too. We mainly cover history and general field studies. First aid, land navigation, shooting, and so on. The rest of the time is spent on physical conditioning and excercises like drill and standing at attention for hours at a time to strengthen discipline and teamwork. It is by far the most difficult though, and you know it.

[ringjamesa]

If it is so physically challenging, why does it take so long to get the recruits to meet the standard? They start mandatory PT before they go to Basic and then do PT throughout to meet the standard whereas the AF starts the PT at BMT and they meet the standard in 6 weeks. Very similar standards I might add.

[james]

Anyway you try and slice it, the Marine Corps does have the toughest boot camp in the U.S. services, academics is one thing, where the Navy does excel in. A leatherneck's military bearing is above normal and they actually wear their uniform with great pride. Mind you, this coming from a squid who has been stationed with Marines, Army and Air Force. There is no competition. Period. This in no way means that there are no Army, Air Force, or Navy personnel that can hang with them, it is all a matter of personal pride and character.

[TJMAC77SP]

I don’t think any (rational) person would argue that the USMC boot camp is not the most physically demanding. When you start comparing other factors and try to award this distinction with the same level of difficulty your logic fails.

If you take an individual, who based on his/her physical capabilities would have little problem getting through Marine Basic and put him/her in AF basic training and that individual fails the academic tests you have someone who would booted out of the AF. The same result if you take an inherently intelligent person and put him/her through Marine Basic and they can’t meet the physical standards. They are both civilians.

It is apples and oranges, period. The topic of the thread was the difficulty of Marine basic. If you accept that the sole criteria of that distinction are physical difficulty then, without a doubt, yes it is. All other discussion are not worth spit.

[Unregistered]

It is because we are the branch that is taking care of our country, the ones that are dieing everyday. We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World.

OORAH

GOOD GRIEF!!! Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?

[bomber1379]

GOOD GRIEF!!! Do you believe in the Tooth Fairy too?

The tooth fairy is real! I think she went AirForce, I saw her at a base in Germany!

[Measure Man]

The tooth fairy is real! I think she went AirForce, I saw her at a base in Germany!

Good job...and keep it up. Repeat after me:

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

[bomber1379]

Good job...and keep it up. Repeat after me:

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

The Marines are elite
The tooth fairy is real

I already know that! I usually go with...

There's no place like home.

There's no place like home.

There's no place like home.

While clicking the heels of my boots together.

[NMWH1985]

I find it strange that the Marines toot their horn about how hard their boot is, when their washout rate is just over 10%, which is comarable to Ft. Benning's basic. Jesus people, it's not like you're getting put through three months of sheer torture. Put up with some physical and verbal harrassment for a few months, make your bed real neat, and let your DI's do the thinking for you and that's about it.

The beauty of Military Basic is that you can take just about any slob off the street and turn them into a Soldier/Sailor/Airmen/Marine. Looking back, Navy Boot was probably two of the easiest months of my life because I didn't have to do any thinking for myself. If you can check your ego at the door it's nothing. It's not like BUD/s or Ranger School or Recon Training or any other SOF training where over half just "don't have it."

The Marines are elite because they say they're elite. That pretty much sums it up.

I'd take a Marine infantry batt over an Army leg infantry batt any day, but ultimately it's the training in that makes the man, not the Boot Camp.

[NMWH1985]

It is because we are the branch that is taking care of our country, the ones that are dieing everyday. We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World.

OORAH

I looked at your profile, and you're just a pogue.

No disrespect intended, but it sounds like you're claiming the achievements of those Marines who actually FIGHT as your own. Yeah, I know, First to Fight, Tip of the Spear, blah blah blah. Those slogans refer to the 03's. It's cute how you pass yourself off as some sort of lean mean, ruck humping, lead slingin fightin man.

Unless your over in the Sandbox humping a ruck I wouldn't talk about "putting your life on the line." Leave the slogans for the commercials. I'd imagine it's a safe bet that there'd be a bunch of COMBAT personnel from the other brances who'd take great offense at being put down by a Pogue Marine.

I pushed a desk in Virginia in the Navy for a little over a year, the only difference between the two of us is the uniform we wear.

[Unregistered]

Whatever boot camp or indoc course you went thru, pride or mental tougness and academic standing is a direct reflection of the individual wearing the uniform not the service. Everyone had the choice to choose to be either an infantryman, Spec Ops, or just plain tech. wizard. We all play a role when it come tos the entire theater of defending our country or executing national policy.

[bomber1379]

I looked at your profile, and you're just a pogue.

No disrespect intended, but it sounds like you're claiming the achievements of those Marines who actually FIGHT as your own. Yeah, I know, First to Fight, Tip of the Spear, blah blah blah. Those slogans refer to the 03's. It's cute how you pass yourself off as some sort of lean mean, ruck humping, lead slingin fightin man.

Unless your over in the Sandbox humping a ruck I wouldn't talk about "putting your life on the line." Leave the slogans for the commercials. I'd imagine it's a safe bet that there'd be a bunch of COMBAT personnel from the other brances who'd take great offense at being put down by a Pogue Marine.

I pushed a desk in Virginia in the Navy for a little over a year, the only difference between the two of us is the uniform we wear.

Oh, and don't forget the easier time at boot camp! He is a Marine and you are not, that's the biggest difference I see. He has an eagle, globe and anchor on his uniform that he earned. You? Didn't think so...

[NMWH1985]

Oh, and don't forget the easier time at boot camp! He is a Marine and you are not, that's the biggest difference I see. He has an eagle, globe and anchor on his uniform that he earned. You? Didn't think so...

What's your point?

Different missions, different services, apples and oranges.

No once branch is better than another.

I wouldn't expect a Surface Warfare 05 in the Navy to run a Marine Corps infantry batallion succesfully, nor would I expect an infantry Light Colonel to be able to run a destroyer.

And the easier boot camp? You do realize, that out of a twenty year career, boot camp comprises between 1-2% of that career. The only people who obsess over boot camp are those who just got out. The Basic Training isn't the only litmus test in determining the worth of an individual Branch of Service, which is what he was implying.

The Marines are a killer light infantry force. They almost single handedly took Japan. But let's leave the boasting about that to the Marines who actually fight. Pogue Marines without their CAR boasting about the Marines combat history is like a boy bragging because his older brother is a star College QB. The Marines are the only branch of see this in. I've never seen a group of Navy Cooks bragging about the SEALs, somehow claiming their achievements simply because they wear the same uniform.

Point being, USMCDFJR is a SUPPORT MARINE. He's a Clerk.

Admirable stuff. Freaking stand up guy for taking the oath and wearing the uniform. But I'll quote him here: We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World."

I hear all of this "We, We, We." If I remember correctly, he's in Pendleton pushing a desk while the O3's are the ones actually "putting their lives on the line." The 03's are the ones trying to continue the legacy of the Marine as the "elite fighting force of the world" (something I only hear Marines say), while he's the one shooting his suck off back stateside.

Does USMCDFJR have a combat action ribbon? Maybe. If he does, I'll take back everything I just said. But somehow I don't think he does. He sounds like a Boot.

[bomber1379]

What's your point?

Different missions, different services, apples and oranges.

No once branch is better than another.

I wouldn't expect a Surface Warfare 05 in the Navy to run a Marine Corps infantry batallion succesfully, nor would I expect an infantry Light Colonel to be able to run a destroyer.

And the easier boot camp? You do realize, that out of a twenty year career, boot camp comprises between 1-2% of that career. The only people who obsess over boot camp are those who just got out. The Basic Training isn't the only litmus test in determining the worth of an individual Branch of Service, which is what he was implying.

The Marines are a killer light infantry force. They almost single handedly took Japan. But let's leave the boasting about that to the Marines who actually fight. Pogue Marines without their CAR boasting about the Marines combat history is like a boy bragging because his older brother is a star College QB. The Marines are the only branch of see this in. I've never seen a group of Navy Cooks bragging about the SEALs, somehow claiming their achievements simply because they wear the same uniform.

Point being, USMCDFJR is a SUPPORT MARINE. He's a Clerk.

Admirable stuff. Freaking stand up guy for taking the oath and wearing the uniform. But I'll quote him here: We are just as smart as the AF or any other branch, we just chose to be in harms way and put our life on the line, so other branches can play with airplanes, play on ships and fail at there mission. We are the eilte fighting force in the World."

I hear all of this "We, We, We." If I remember correctly, he's in Pendleton pushing a desk while the O3's are the ones actually "putting their lives on the line." The 03's are the ones trying to continue the legacy of the Marine as the "elite fighting force of the world" (something I only hear Marines say), while he's the one shooting his suck off back stateside.

Does USMCDFJR have a combat action ribbon? Maybe. If he does, I'll take back everything I just said. But somehow I don't think he does. He sounds like a Boot.

All Marines are forged from the same fire. We all go through the same basic training. That's what makes us the best. Even though USMCDFJR might be pushing paper, he could still plug you with an M16 open sights from 500 yards. No matter what our job, all Marines must remain ready to go at any time. Rifle range, gas chamber and NBC training, CWSQ, and martial arts must remain current. No matter what your job. We are all Marines, not matter what the job. And we always have each others back.

[Shrike]

All Marines are forged from the same fire. We all go through the same basic training. That's what makes us the best. Even though USMCDFJR might be pushing paper, he could still plug you with an M16 open sights from 500 yards. No matter what our job, all Marines must remain ready to go at any time. Rifle range, gas chamber and NBC training, CWSQ, and martial arts must remain current. No matter what your job. We are all Marines, not matter what the job. And we always have each others back.

I've never been through Marine basic, yet I could plug anyone with my AR-10B from 600 yards, open sights. And I didn't have to go through a rigorous regime of standing at attention for long periods of time to hone that skill. What's your point?

As I believe someone else already pointed out, your argument basically comes down to "We're the best because we say so." If that's the case, then I'm the sexiest, the funniest, and the smartest. You know why? Because I say so. I was forged in the sexiest, funniest, and smartest fire. Then I peed on that fire to put it out so that no one may be forged in my image. You should believe this to be the truth, just because I say it is so.

[bomber1379]

I've never been through Marine basic, yet I could plug anyone with my AR-10B from 600 yards, open sights. And I didn't have to go through a rigorous regime of standing at attention for long periods of time to hone that skill. What's your point?

As I believe someone else already pointed out, your argument basically comes down to "We're the best because we say so." If that's the case, then I'm the sexiest, the funniest, and the smartest. You know why? Because I say so. I was forged in the sexiest, funniest, and smartest fire. Then I peed on that fire to put it out so that no one may be forged in my image. You should believe this to be the truth, just because I say it is so.

What branch are you in anyways? Don't be sad because you don't know what it's like being part of a team. Or actually leaving boot camp feeling like you earned something. I am one of the best, you aren't. End of discussion.

[Shrike]

What branch are you in anyways? Don't be sad because you don't know what it's like being part of a team. Or actually leaving boot camp feeling like you earned something. I am one of the best, you aren't. End of discussion.

You completely missed my point, just as I figured you would. You can say you're the best all you want; the only person it sounds like you're trying to convince is yourself. You just go on thinking you're the best simply by virtue of stating "I'm the very bestest! I'm special because I say so!!!". Oh, that and being "forged in a fire" that pretty much any average high-school senior with a modicum of self-discipline could withstand. WELL DONE! :rolleyes:

That kind of magical thinking will get you far in life, just like being able to stand at attention for long periods of time - lot's of post-military employment opportunities for such in-demand skills! Oh, that's right, you don't have to worry about such things, because as you've stated in another thread, marines are here to die, that's what you do. But what do I know; I'm not the one who's self-esteem seems so fragile that if I don't repeatedly exclaim how great I am, my little world of illusions falls apart.

[Measure Man]

I am one of the best, you aren't. End of discussion.

No you aren't.

[Shrike]

No you aren't.

But he said he was. Doesn't that make it true?

[TJMAC77SP]

I thought this disscussion was over.....

[bomber1379]

The discussion is over. Marines are the best, nothing more needs to be said.

[Measure Man]

The discussion is over. Marines are the best, nothing more needs to be said.

haha ha ha ha...you are SO funny!

[TJMAC77SP]

haha ha ha ha...you are SO funny!

True. I just had this flashback to much younger (prepubescent) days.

[bomber1379]

True. I just had this flashback to much younger (prepubescent) days.

When everything down there worked for you?

[TJMAC77SP]

When everything down there worked for you?

Actually bomber if it were prepubescent it would generally be before anything ‘worked’ down there.

[bomber1379]

Actually bomber if it were prepubescent it would generally be before anything ‘worked’ down there.

Maybe for some people...

[bomber1379]

USMC boot camp is still tougher than others!

[bomber1379]

You completely missed my point, just as I figured you would. You can say you're the best all you want; the only person it sounds like you're trying to convince is yourself. You just go on thinking you're the best simply by virtue of stating "I'm the very bestest! I'm special because I say so!!!". Oh, that and being "forged in a fire" that pretty much any average high-school senior with a modicum of self-discipline could withstand. WELL DONE! :rolleyes:

That kind of magical thinking will get you far in life, just like being able to stand at attention for long periods of time - lot's of post-military employment opportunities for such in-demand skills! Oh, that's right, you don't have to worry about such things, because as you've stated in another thread, marines are here to die, that's what you do. But what do I know; I'm not the one who's self-esteem seems so fragile that if I don't repeatedly exclaim how great I am, my little world of illusions falls apart.


Sure sounds like you have some mommy daddy issues to me. Hey try this one! Walk up to a beautiful woman on the street tommorrow and ask her if she had to choose between a soldier, a sailor, an airman, or a Marine.... who would she be taking home? And that my friends is one reason why the Marines are the best!

[Measure Man]

Sure sounds like you have some mommy daddy issues to me. Hey try this one! Walk up to a beautiful woman on the street tommorrow and ask her if she had to choose between a soldier, a sailor, an airman, or a Marine.... who would she be taking home? And that my friends is one reason why the Marines are the best!

...lol. I know plenty that would choose other than the Marine, that's for sure.

You guys don't really believe that crap do you?

[Measure Man]

USMC boot camp is still tougher than others!

It wasn't for the Marine in my boot camp that flunked out on academics...I'm just sayin'

[TJMAC77SP]

Sure sounds like you have some mommy daddy issues to me. Hey try this one! Walk up to a beautiful woman on the street tommorrow and ask her if she had to choose between a soldier, a sailor, an airman, or a Marine.... who would she be taking home? And that my friends is one reason why the Marines are the best!

Well, there you go.....that must, beyond a doubt, prove that marine boot camp is the toughest. Oh, wait that really doesn't prove anything. Oh crap, back to the drawing board.

[TJMAC77SP]

Maybe for some people...

Bomber, I don't mind trading barbs in good fun but please don't bring a knife to a gun fight.

[Shrike]

Sure sounds like you have some mommy daddy issues to me. Hey try this one! Walk up to a beautiful woman on the street tommorrow and ask her if she had to choose between a soldier, a sailor, an airman, or a Marine.... who would she be taking home? And that my friends is one reason why the Marines are the best!

Keep on telling yourself that, little man. It seems to be the only thing you have going for you, so you might as well run with it.

What a lovely little universe you must live in where you can magically say things and make them reality.

[bomber1379]

Keep on telling yourself that, little man. It seems to be the only thing you have going for you, so you might as well run with it.

What a lovely little universe you must live in where you can magically say things and make them reality.


That alone is probably a lot more that anything you might have, which would explain why you are such a negative individual. Did life really go so bad for you that the only thing you have left to do now is sit on here and try your best to bash others with a different point of view. Marines have the hardest boot camp, and we always get the girl! There's a big mouthful of reality for you pansy.

[bomber1379]

Well, there you go.....that must, beyond a doubt, prove that marine boot camp is the toughest. Oh, wait that really doesn't prove anything. Oh crap, back to the drawing board.

Ok smartguy! Why don't you prove me wrong! Oh yeah, you can't!

[Shrike]

...bash others with a different point of view.

You don't HAVE a different point of view, you have an infantile point of view. "I'm the best because I say so, end of story" is not a point of view, it's the childish statement of a four year old.


Marines have the hardest boot camp, and we always get the girl

Evidence? Statistics? Nope, it is so simply because you say it is. What a master logician you are!



There's a big mouthful of reality for you pansy.

"Big mouthful"? "Pansy"? Ahhh...I see. Now we're getting somewhere.
Now we're getting to the root of the problem. Have you seen a therapist yet about your possibly latent homosexual tendencies? If you keep trying to suppress them with all of your tough guy talk, and (now obviously) farcical statements about getting the "girl", they may manifest themselves in terrible ways, and you may hurt yourself and/or others. Seriously, get some help.

[Measure Man]

That alone is probably a lot more that anything you might have, which would explain why you are such a negative individual. Did life really go so bad for you that the only thing you have left to do now is sit on here and try your best to bash others with a different point of view. Marines have the hardest boot camp, and we always get the girl! There's a big mouthful of reality for you pansy.

Funny you should mention the "getting the girl" part.

Did you know...Us Magazine did a survey of which "uniformed men" girls 18-26 prefer (see it in the October 2006 edition). The results:

Police: 46%
Air Force: 18%
Firemen: 12%
Army 9%
Marines: 8%
Navy: 2%
Other: 5%

[Shrike]

Funny you should mention the "getting the girl" part.

Did you know...Us Magazine did a survey of which "uniformed men" girls 18-26 prefer (see it in the October 2006 edition). The results:

Police: 46%
Air Force: 18%
Firemen: 12%
Army 9%
Marines: 8%
Navy: 2%
Other: 5%

LMAO!

Well, bomber, you can take comfort in the fact that marines are considered slightly more attractive to women then people who call themselves "seamen" and have name tags on their pants' bottoms.

Now you can proudly declare, as evidence of how awesome you are, "Marines always get the girl, as long as there are no airmen, cops, soldiers, firemen, pastry chefs, shoe salesmen, janitors, mimes, or jugglers around."

[ringjamesa]

Ok Shrike, that was funny but a mime? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! Freaky litte pained mute men in tights with little gay french hats? Oh, I see your point.

[Shrike]

Ok Shrike, that was funny but a mime? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! Freaky litte pained mute men in tights with little gay french hats? Oh, I see your point.

LOL!





-

[TJMAC77SP]

I was going to respond to bomber's last post to me but I just kick a guy (even a marine) when he's down (and stomped). Merry Christmas everyone...even you bomber.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Ok smartguy! Why don't you prove me wrong! Oh yeah, you can't!I see that you don't quite understand "The Rules".

When someone makes an "assertion of fact" (for example "The USMC has the toughest boot camp.") then it is not up to other people to "prove them wrong" and, failing the others doing that, then they are right.

It is up to the person who makes the "assertion of fact" to prove themselves right.

To see how silly your stated position is, here is an "assertion of fact":


THERE ARE 27 NUCLEAR BOMBS HIDDEN IN WASHINGTON DC
AND
ANOTHER 14 HIDDEN IN NEW YORK CITY.

Now, if your "logic" applied then it would be A FACT that there were 27 nuclear bombs hidden in Washington DC and another 14 hidden in New York City.

In fact, if your "logic" applied, then the only way that you could "prove" that statement false would be if you could find (A) more than 27 nuclear bombs hidden in Washington DC and/or (B) more than 14 nuclear bombs hidden in New York City.

Even further, it wouldn't matter if you found hundreds of hidden nuclear bombs, because all that I would have to do to prevent you "proving" that the statement was false was to say something like "Oh, those aren't the ones I was talking about."

I, on the other hand, (assuming that the statement was, in fact, true) could prove it simply by detonating them (or taking you to their hiding places if you would prefer a slightly less messy proof).

PS - If you take the degree of reduction in difficulty that each "draft class" tells the succeeding one has taken place in USMC training and then work backwards from the current standards, then the members of the REAL "Old Corps" had to run 2,600 miles in 0.04 minutes while carrying a 37 ton pack and then immediately shoot 6,000 out of a possible 1,000 at a range of 4.2 miles - whereupon they would go out and drink 96 gallons of 240 proof alcohol before impregnating 382 women in 9 minutes. So, if you can't make the real "Old Corps" standards of the USMC you ought to consider either (A) a career change or (B) not getting involved in a battle of wits where there is an unarmed man present that wasn't there before.

[soldiermedic]

Ok Shrike, that was funny but a mime? EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWWWWWW!! Freaky litte pained mute men in tights with little gay french hats? Oh, I see your point.

They may look weird, but boy are they great listeners!

[hookemhorns7]

I'm a Marine. I've never been to Army, Navy or Air Force Basic Training. But honestly, I know the Marine Corps doesn't define our branch of service by the "toughness" of it's Boot Camp. Being a Marine is SOOO much more than the quality or toughness of it's Boot Camp.

There are certain facts to Marine Corps Boot Camp:

It is definitely longer than all the other brances of service.
To be a Marine, you MUST graduate from Marine Boot Camp. Marines don't have to go through Basic Training in any other service.
Marine Corps Boot Camp does teach some academics, but does not stress them as much as the Air Force might. Largely due to the Marine Corps repuation as an air, land AND sea fighting force.

I won't say that any service's boot camps are tougher than the others, they are just all different. And for good reasons, too.

[TJMAC77SP]

I'm a Marine. I've never been to Army, Navy or Air Force Basic Training. But honestly, I know the Marine Corps doesn't define our branch of service by the "toughness" of it's Boot Camp. Being a Marine is SOOO much more than the quality or toughness of it's Boot Camp.

There are certain facts to Marine Corps Boot Camp:

It is definitely longer than all the other brances of service.
To be a Marine, you MUST graduate from Marine Boot Camp. Marines don't have to go through Basic Training in any other service.
Marine Corps Boot Camp does teach some academics, but does not stress them as much as the Air Force might. Largely due to the Marine Corps repuation as an air, land AND sea fighting force.

I won't say that any service's boot camps are tougher than the others, they are just all different. And for good reasons, too.

A voice of reason who gets it. Well said.

[Shrike]

A voice of reason who gets it. Well said.

Don't let Measure Man see that!!!

:D

[TJMAC77SP]

Don't let Measure Man see that!!!

:D

You are right, I should have included copywrite information..............Sorry MM

[Measure Man]

You are right, I should have included copywrite information..............Sorry MM

No problems...he is "a voice of reason" (no caps), while I am "The Voice of Reason" :-)

Not to mention...his was a good post

[Liberty4all]

Through physical demands and length of program the Marine Corps is without question the "toughest".

Putting the Army, Navy, & Air Force on the back burner for a moment, many leave out the little ole USCG. The Coasties have a mentally challenging time in the jam-packed 8 weeks of Basic Training.

The highest ASVAB score minimum to enlist.

Considering the ENTIRE U.S. Coast Guard is 90% the size of the New York City Police Dept. they have to get recruits trained quickly to fill an already short-handed service of Search/Rescue, Law Enforcement, Homeland Security, Pollution Response/Enforcement, IALA B ATON, International Ice-Breaking, Customs: Migrant Interdiction, Drug Interdiction,...etc.

God bless all of you deployed, with an angel by the name of Douglas Munro keeping a safe watch over you.

[ringjamesa]

Putting the Army, Navy, & Air Force on the back burner for a moment, many leave out the little ole USCG. The Coasties have a mentally challenging time in the jam-packed 8 weeks of Basic Training.
The highest ASVAB score minimum to enlist.
.

Only if you took the ASVAB prior to 20040701 (40) after that the min is 36. Since the ASVAB is only good for 2 years.......I believe your info is outdated.

[Former_Marine_23]

It is a fact...that it takes Marines 13 weeks to cover 41.5 hours of academic instruction...while the AF does 40 hours in 7 weeks.

Now what?

That's because we have to fit 90 others things into our training schedule that the chair force doesn't do or doesn't do to the extent that we do. We have 2 full weeks devoted simply to the rifle range. Throw in the Crucible, first aid, drill, pt, weapons cleaning, swim qual and did I mention drill? So that would be why we can only fit in 41.5 hours of academic study into 13 weeks.

Now what?

[Former_Marine_23]

Apparently grammer, punctuation, and spelling aren't covered though.

Apparently you should learn how to spell grammar before trashing someone else there stud!

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Apparently you should learn how to spell grammar before trashing someone else there stud!Ooooohhh - low blow.

BTW, you are quite correct on the amount of "other stuff" (as the USAF is likely to consider it to be) that the USMC considers to be absolutely essential to turn out a (reasonably) well trained "Basic Marine".

I also happen to agree with you that that "other stuff" IS necessary and that 13 weeks is a more appropriate training length - mostly because "that's the way that we did it in my day" but also because it enables the training staff to have a long enough period to ensure that the lessons are actually absorbed (as well as giving them the opportunity to enable everyone who is capable of doing the job to complete the full course of instruction successfully. (Shorten the training period too much and your failure rate zooms.)

[ViperfFiXXXer81]

That alone is probably a lot more that anything you might have, which would explain why you are such a negative individual. Did life really go so bad for you that the only thing you have left to do now is sit on here and try your best to bash others with a different point of view. Marines have the hardest boot camp, and we always get the girl! There's a big mouthful of reality for you pansy


Yeah, because actually taking home a women of legal age seems difficult for Marines. Please, you pride yourselves on being so elite and so disciplined yet off garrison you act like complete asshats, when you go TDY to bases of other branches you act like asshats, looks to me like 13 weeks of discipline and military bearing go out the window once most of you get 5 minutes of freedom. Then acting as if we owe you something, if I felt like I owed the USMC something then I would have joined them, I respect there service and those who chose to join the USMC, I don't and won't feel inferior to them, the USAF is the team I wanted to be apart of and I proud of my branch and I know what we do day in and day out. I am an F-16 / F-117 Crew Chief I do a job that in the Corp and Navy is shredded out to about 3 different MOS's, So anyone who knows anything about Air Force history knows that when the USAF seperated from the AAC that the focus was going to be on technical profienancy and embrace mentoring and counseling, not screaming and getting on your face and pushing, so going through some of the schools and academics we go through just as enlisted could wear you down just as bad as the physical aspect of the Marine Boot Camp, people in the AF can get booted for good just for failing on an academic leve, in a lot of cases you don't get a second chance.

[ty5486]

I've been to Navy BC (1996), have family in the USAF, and USCG, and work at a MEPS, where I have learned some on the others. I still do not feel qualified to speak about the difficulties of boot camp, but I can tell you that when I was still on the ship I was entirely underwhelmed with the quality of the young people that came fresh from boot camp (or A school). I think boot camp needs to be longer, with more face time with the instructors/company commanders whatever you call them now. I also am familiar with service cultures, and feel that that is another area that drives the differences. Physically there can be no question as to which is harder (USMC, although I'm sure Army BC makes USAF look like a picnic). I'm appalled every time I hear about shorter boot camp, more computers, less "face time," lower stress environment...I could go on, but I just don't understand how we have justified removing the stress from boot camp. I always thought the point was to tear down the civilian and build up a military member. Well, they are not doing that any more. We lost something like a third of our new people because they weren't used to people telling them that they weren't good for much. It stressed them out. Sure, that's not nice, but have you ever been the new guy on a submarine? Turns out you're not good for much. But you work hard, learn and become a useful member of the crew. Since when was quitting an allowable thing? It just blows my mind...

[ty5486]

I will also say, that the branch that works worst with others seems to be the USMC, while the branch that understands others worst is the USAF, but neither of those is boot camp's fault, it is a service culture issue.

[Former_Marine_23]

I've been to Navy BC (1996), have family in the USAF, and USCG, and work at a MEPS, where I have learned some on the others. I still do not feel qualified to speak about the difficulties of boot camp, but I can tell you that when I was still on the ship I was entirely underwhelmed with the quality of the young people that came fresh from boot camp (or A school). I think boot camp needs to be longer, with more face time with the instructors/company commanders whatever you call them now. I also am familiar with service cultures, and feel that that is another area that drives the differences. Physically there can be no question as to which is harder (USMC, although I'm sure Army BC makes USAF look like a picnic). I'm appalled every time I hear about shorter boot camp, more computers, less "face time," lower stress environment...I could go on, but I just don't understand how we have justified removing the stress from boot camp. I always thought the point was to tear down the civilian and build up a military member. Well, they are not doing that any more. We lost something like a third of our new people because they weren't used to people telling them that they weren't good for much. It stressed them out. Sure, that's not nice, but have you ever been the new guy on a submarine? Turns out you're not good for much. But you work hard, learn and become a useful member of the crew. Since when was quitting an allowable thing? It just blows my mind...

Low stress my ass...lol

[Shrike]

Low stress my ass...lol

Is he yelling, or belting out an aria from La Boheme?

:D

[ty5486]

I was specifically addressing Navy boot camp. I haven't dealt with any Marines fresh from BC, so I can't speak to that one...

[darkhorse0369]

I beleive the overall problem is that if no one is making the standard....All services just lower the standard!

[ty5486]

I agree with that. It seems like there's a race on to see who can lower the standard first, because it opens up a whole new pool of potentials for whichever service does it first.

[Calmo70]

OK, I'll bite.
USMC - toughest physical challenge
Army - probably second in regard to physical requirements
Navy/Coast Guard - physically tough, but not USMC/Army tough
USAF - getting to be more physically tough in recent years, but still not really physically demanding unless you are really soft when you get there.

Does that make any of them tougher than the other to get through? It really depends on the person's motivation, intelligence, and physical attributes AND the reason that one person joined the branch they did to begin with. There are no winners here.

[Unregistered]

I'll be on my way when I'm good and ready.

I guess it depends how you define difficult. I had a prior Marine in my AF boot camp that flunked the academic test. He wasn't too bright.

I read the first couple of pages and couldnt believe no one caught this.

Why was there a former Marine in AF bootcamp?

Something doesnt click here.

[NeWSoldiEr08]

i bet Marine bootcamp is hard than Army BCT

[Measure Man]

I read the first couple of pages and couldnt believe no one caught this.

Why was there a former Marine in AF bootcamp?

Something doesnt click here.

uhm...because he separated from the Marines and subsequently joined the AF.

[Variable Wind]

I cant say because I have never been to Marine Boot Camp, my brother (USMC) and I have traded stories and they sound similar. They both have their differences of course. I went to FT. Knox which is (unless it has changed since I left) an all male BCT. I think there and FT Benning are harder than the co-ed sites simply because the Drill Sgts are less afraid of any type of EO or similar charges. Not saying that women cant handle it, but I did realize a gigantic change between Basic at Knox, to AIT at Eustis where there were women and the amount of extra beaurocracy included. The Army is so afraid of fraternization or EO lawsuits whatever, that it gets in the way of the training to be done, and even water down such training. But if I had to choose between the two, I would say Marine Boot Camp but really, the standards have REALLY dropped in the past few years.

[USMC_8156]

uhm...because he separated from the Marines and subsequently joined the AF.

We don't attend the initial enlisted training of other branches if we separate and join another branch, MM. That's what the poster was talking about.

If that was sarcasm, sorry.

[Measure Man]

We don't attend the initial enlisted training of other branches if we separate and join another branch, MM. That's what the poster was talking about.

If that was sarcasm, sorry.

You did in 1983. Just the facts, no sarcasm.

[j9mm]

A Marine going through Air Force boot camp? I've heard of those stories, and usually when that happens the Airman recruit is LYING. He wouldn't be there if he was a Marine- all they have to do is walk into the recruiters office and get their uniforms issued.
Marine boot is tough, but it ultimately depends on your DI's. If they want the training out of you, they'll get it out of you...if they're bags, they will produce bags. I love how people say how easy it was in boot camp, but if you asked someone that knew them in their platoon they were sniveling like a baby the whole time, and dragged down the whole platoon.
Everyone knows Marine Boot is the ultimate test. As for the "knowledge" sector the AF boasts, that's for MOS schools to take care of. And as far as Marines having trouble with girls their own age, what is the AF Academy notorious for? Don't hate.
Semper Fi

[USMC_8156]

I love how people say how easy it was in boot camp, but if you asked someone that knew them in their platoon they were sniveling like a baby the whole time, and dragged down the whole platoon.

True story.

[Measure Man]

A Marine going through Air Force boot camp? I've heard of those stories, and usually when that happens the Airman recruit is LYING. He wouldn't be there if he was a Marine- all they have to do is walk into the recruiters office and get their uniforms issued.

Times change...policies change...if a Marine walked into an AF recruiters office today...the AF recruiter would say "sorry" and direct them to the Army or Marines.

We are not currently taking prior service, to my knowledge. Perhaps in very specific skill sets...

They have most definitely been prior Marines that have gone through AF boot camp.

[USMC_8156]

Times change...policies change...if a Marine walked into an AF recruiters office today...the AF recruiter would say "sorry" and direct them to the Army or Marines. We are not currently taking prior service, to my knowledge. Perhaps in very specific skill sets...

Zing! Too bad it's incorrect. A friend of mine in the aviation comm area went "into the blue" recently.


They have most definitely been prior Marines that have gone through AF boot camp.

According to the USAF website, the Air Force waives basic training for prior service enlistees. So...no again.

[Measure Man]

According to the USAF website, the Air Force waives basic training for prior service enlistees. So...no again.

Currently that may be the policy...it has not ALWAYS been the policy.

[ringjamesa]

That is in fact the current policy. The only Prior Service folks that currently have to go to Basic Training for the AF are the ones that come from the Navy and did the 2 week "orientation" instead of Navy boot camp. MM didn't say the AF wasn't taking ANY PS, he said,
"We are not currently taking prior service, to my knowledge. Perhaps in very specific skill sets..."
And that is also factual. There are only certian jobs open to Prior Service folks. Not elibile or willing to do those jobs=Army or Marines (Navy is limiting their PS accessions as well).

[Variable Wind]

That is in fact the current policy. The only Prior Service folks that currently have to go to Basic Training for the AF are the ones that come from the Navy and did the 2 week "orientation" instead of Navy boot camp. MM didn't say the AF wasn't taking ANY PS, he said,
"We are not currently taking prior service, to my knowledge. Perhaps in very specific skill sets..."
And that is also factual. There are only certian jobs open to Prior Service folks. Not elibile or willing to do those jobs=Army or Marines (Navy is limiting their PS accessions as well).

That is correct sir. Also I have heard that the Air Force will not accept former Active Duty Marines because they may be unable to adapt to the Air Force lifestyle. I must say the differences between the two are night an day. I do not know how true that this is but the source was somewhat reliable.

[USMC_8156]

Also I have heard that the Air Force will not accept former Active Duty Marines because they may be unable to adapt to the Air Force lifestyle.

Myth. I know plenty of Marines who have, as we say, "went to take a long vacation in the Air Force"

[Variable Wind]

Myth. I know plenty of Marines who have, as we say, "went to take a long vacation in the Air Force"

Well I know that in the past it has been acceptable, but more recent developments have allowed the Air Force to be more selective for one reason or another. Perhaps the fact that Im sure their retention numbers are higher. The impression I have gotten from the fly boys is that they get a big budget and make their members happy. I sure shouldve gone that way. Oh well, like I said, it was just through the grapevine.

[ringjamesa]

I have never heard that and doubt the validity of that statement. When they are accepting PS, it doesn't really matter which branch they are from.

[eichampt1]

If you believe marines are the best, why is it you have to broadcast it aloud? It sounds as though you and some of the more boisterous loudmouths from our sister services have some doubts individually and about your respective chosen branches. If you feel confident about yourself you shouldn't have the need to downplay others to make yourself feel better.

[ChiefAD]

I been to Army basic, Marine Boot camp, Border Patrol, Warrant Officer Candidate School and been to hooah schools such as Air Assault and hands down; the Corps is the hardest of them all. These links bring back great memories.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yja_M...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=104Zq...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39WkP...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSjbQ0rWFPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzukU...eature=related

http://www.prepareforbootcamp.com/?h...FQZeswodZgPUkw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7T84...eature=related

and the Canadians

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTVVh...eature=related

and a tribute

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETUid...eature=related
__________________

[USMC Semper Fi]

It is a fact...that it takes Marines 13 weeks to cover 41.5 hours of academic instruction...while the AF does 40 hours in 7 weeks.

Now what?

Are u kidding me now what? All of use trying to show off thinking AF is better then MARINES blow it out your piss flaps. During our 13 weeks of Boot were actually busting our back holes getting ready to be the warriors that are the first to see the battle field the army only covers land the AF only covers the air the NAVY only covers the sea the MARINES cover AIR,LAND,and SEA and i m not putting down any part of our armed forces as a marine i respect every soldier in uniform beside me but if you think for one second u could try an up show a marine we will put u in your place any time and any place SEMPER FI HOOO-RAHHH

[Shrike]

I need some aspirin after translating that to English.

[Your_Name_Here]

Are u kidding me now what? All of use trying to show off thinking AF is better then MARINES blow it out your piss flaps. During our 13 weeks of Boot were actually busting our back holes getting ready to be the warriors that are the first to see the battle field the army only covers land the AF only covers the air the NAVY only covers the sea the MARINES cover AIR,LAND,and SEA and i m not putting down any part of our armed forces as a marine i respect every soldier in uniform beside me but if you think for one second u could try an up show a marine we will put u in your place any time and any place SEMPER FI HOOO-RAHHH

Son, you must have been fighting tears as you typed this. No need to cry--the whole inter-service "rivalry" is just an amusing pastime that you are obviously taking waaaaaaaayyyy too seriously.

I'm afraid I'm now gonna have to confuse you with facts: EVERY branch has a piece of all three--land sea and air. Well almost--the AF doesn't have much call in the sea, but DOES have TAC/P, PJ, CCT, Combat Weather and a few others that do have missions on the ground. The Army DOES have some sealift capability as well as an Aviation branch that has the same basic CAS function as the MC. You better get to know that the Navy does more than "give you a ride" into the AOR.

BTW, just HOW do you think you're gonna put ANYONE "in their place?" I have been doing my thing since you were repeating the 5th grade, or something. I surely don't need a lesson from you on "my place."

Finally, can you account for Marines who can't stay out of trouble in Okinawa? They would be easiest to "up show," I presume.

[Variable Wind]

into the AIIIRR Junior Birdmen...

sorry couldnt resist :D

[0302_USMC]

[QUOTE=Your_Name_Here;140810]Son, you must have been fighting tears as you typed this. No need to cry--the whole inter-service "rivalry" is just an amusing pastime that you are obviously taking waaaaaaaayyyy too seriously.

I'm afraid I'm now gonna have to confuse you with facts: EVERY branch has a piece of all three--land sea and air. Well almost--the AF doesn't have much call in the sea, but DOES have TAC/P, PJ, CCT, Combat Weather and a few others that do have missions on the ground. QUOTE]


What the heck is Combat Weather?

[Your_Name_Here]

[QUOTE=Your_Name_Here;140810]Son, you must have been fighting tears as you typed this. No need to cry--the whole inter-service "rivalry" is just an amusing pastime that you are obviously taking waaaaaaaayyyy too seriously.

I'm afraid I'm now gonna have to confuse you with facts: EVERY branch has a piece of all three--land sea and air. Well almost--the AF doesn't have much call in the sea, but DOES have TAC/P, PJ, CCT, Combat Weather and a few others that do have missions on the ground. QUOTE]


What the heck is Combat Weather?

In a nutshell: Combat Weather personnel are Meteorologists with additional ground combat capabilities.

The whole scoop is here:
http://usmilitary.about.com/od/airforceenlistedjobs/a/combatweather.htm

[USMC_8156]

Combat Admin
Combat Food Specialist
Combat Supply
Combat Belly Tickler

Give me a break, can we just drop the "Combat" on all of these job titles? Everyone who can be deployed could at some time be "combat" anything.

[Your_Name_Here]

Combat Admin
Combat Food Specialist
Combat Supply
Combat Belly Tickler

Give me a break, can we just drop the "Combat" on all of these job titles? Everyone who can be deployed could at some time be "combat" anything.

I can't speak to other AFSCs/MOSs calling themselves Combat. They are "combat" because they do get attached to Army SF, Force Recon, SEALS, etc. AND are different from other AF Weather personnel who support the local flying mission.
Full disclosure: I am NOT assigned to Weather, combat or otherwise; just answering a question.

How, pray tell, does one become a "Combat Belly Tickler?":D :D

[USMC_8156]

I've seen the AFN commercial, I know who they are...I just laugh when I see that every non-combat MOS puts Combat on there, and all of the combat MOS's don't bother. Combat Rangers, Combat SEALS, Combat Recon? How ridiculous would that be.

Use your imagination...it's more of a Billet than an MOS ;)

[Your_Name_Here]

I've seen the AFN commercial, I know who they are...I just laugh when I see that every non-combat MOS puts Combat on there, and all of the combat MOS's don't bother. Combat Rangers, Combat SEALS, Combat Recon? How ridiculous would that be.

Use your imagination...it's more of a Billet than an MOS ;)

OK, I'm tracking. That would be silly, ignorant and something that needs to go to the "Department of Redundancy Dept."

I know for sure some intensive OJT would be involved. LOL

[TJMAC77SP]

I've seen the AFN commercial, I know who they are...I just laugh when I see that every non-combat MOS puts Combat on there, and all of the combat MOS's don't bother. Combat Rangers, Combat SEALS, Combat Recon? How ridiculous would that be.

Use your imagination...it's more of a Billet than an MOS ;)

Combat Weather performs as part of the AF Special Operations Command. They do weather forcasting in operations involving Special Operations Forces. It wasn't merely sticking 'combat' on a job title.

You are correct though that they are a subset of the weather AFSC.

[Variable Wind]

Im playing Combat Madden 09, bitches!

[Shrike]

That's "COMBAT" bitches to you.


;)

[TJMAC77SP]

Combat Weather performs as part of the AF Special Operations Command. They do weather forcasting in operations involving Special Operations Forces. It wasn't merely sticking 'combat' on a job title.

You are correct though that they are a subset of the weather AFSC.

I figured I better post a correction to my own post before someone else does. Combat Weather (and it is now called Special Operations Weather or SOWT) now has their own AFSC. (http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80950)

[SGT Nolan]

Everyone one does there share in the military just we do more.

Army: 18%
Navy: 8%
Air Force: 5%
Coast Guard: 16%
Marine Corps: 53%

You have got to be kidding me. Yes, Marines are pretty hard core, but im sorry to break it to you pal, you guys dont do all the work. Having just gotten back from a 13 month combat rotation to Afghanistan, I can safely say the Army and Marines did the EXACT same thing and the SAME amount of work. Is that in all cases? Maybe not, but from what I expierienced, you guys didnt do a damn thing differnt. So give thanks that you have other components to fight along side with and support you, the way we all give thanks tha we have Marines.

Out.

[Variable Wind]

You have got to be kidding me. Yes, Marines are pretty hard core, but im sorry to break it to you pal, you guys dont do all the work. Having just gotten back from a 13 month combat rotation to Afghanistan, I can safely say the Army and Marines did the EXACT same thing and the SAME amount of work. Is that in all cases? Maybe not, but from what I expierienced, you guys didnt do a damn thing differnt. So give thanks that you have other components to fight along side with and support you, the way we all give thanks tha we have Marines.

Out.

Yeah its funny that when my aviation unit was attached to MAG-16 we broke all of the marine in-country flying records. Of course we broke all the Army ones too :D. Still seems like you have to do a bit more than 18% to do that.

[SGT Nolan]

Yeah its funny that when my aviation unit was attached to MAG-16 we broke all of the marine in-country flying records. Of course we broke all the Army ones too :D. Still seems like you have to do a bit more than 18% to do that.

Haha, for sure. A LOT more than 18%. ;)

[AMERICANWARFIGHTER]

If you believe marines are the best, why is it you have to broadcast it aloud? It sounds as though you and some of the more boisterous loudmouths from our sister services have some doubts individually and about your respective chosen branches. If you feel confident about yourself you shouldn't have the need to downplay others to make yourself feel better.

Very good point. The true professionals are the quite ones. The ones who simply do their jobs without all the chest thumping and trash talking. So take pride in what you do and do it well. We all joined the branch of the service that was the best fit. Carry on!

[SSgtAllen3381]

I can not believe I just read this whole thread.

I hope EVERY ONE and EVERY BRANCH has a wonderful VETERANS DAY!!!

Semper Fidelis

[ChiefAD]

I'll be on my way when I'm good and ready.

I guess it depends how you define difficult. I had a prior Marine in my AF boot camp that flunked the academic test. He wasn't too bright.


I thought if you successfully completed Marine boot camp; you were exempt from the other branches basic training.

I attended Army basic in 1983, Marine boot in 1987 (mind you that even completing Army basic didnt omit me from Marine boot) and various schools as well (border patrol academy and Army Air Assault) and in my humble opinion, Marine Corps was the hardest. Not necessarily the hardest physically (even though the PRT is the hardest of all branches) but because its emphasis on discipline and the repercussions of not adhering to it. Also, you can get an article 15 (office hours) in the Corps for menial things (example, I got one for walking through the wrong hatch and 5 minutes late to PT) and I know guys in the Army that goes AWOL for two days and just would get a slap on the wrist by a counseling statement. Overall, a Marine's life is not one every sailor or airman could endure. I met a female thrown out of the AF for misconduct and you really have to be soup to let that happen to you in the AF. When it comes to running, I can say there are many soldiers of the 101st, 82nd, Rangers and other high speed units that exceed the PT standard that can go toe to toe with Marine PT.

Also, I am aware that length of recruit training doesnt necessarily mean that its harder but we all got a laugh at MEPS when the gentleman boarding us told everyone to do the best that they can except the AF recruits since they were leaving to a vacation. ;) But soldiers and marines would love to go to an IET of 6 1/2 weeks anyday of the week.

[SSgtAllen3381]

For those questioning the Marine Corps Boot Camp. Go down to Parris Island or San Diego and ask the Drill Instructors if you can join them for a few weeks. :)

[SGT 0313]

Fuc*ing right Marine Boot Camp is the toughest! Are you kidding me? What, they make you Air Force chicks ride your exercise bikes and do math problems (how can anyone in your command justify an exercise bike as a PFT component)? Marines are broken down and groomed to do things no other service can offer. We guard the President while he sleeps and every embassy overseas! The President can send us in harms way without Congressional approval so we can start killing bodies before our sister services even show up. Take the movie Black Hawk Down for example...one of the first lines of the movie was the Marines pulled out of Somalia and that my friends is why shit hit the fan because the Somalians knew we weren't around anymore to fuk them up.
You other services are great at what you do. Would not have survied Fallugah without some bombs dropped from the sky and my Army brethren raining hell with arty and close combat infantry but come on (gotta give love to the Squids to for all they do to protecting our country).
I will give you guys academics but when the fuk was the last war decided upon who could do a fuking math problem the fastest. It has ALWAYS been kill or be killed and that is why Marine Boot Camp is superior. It makes us the elite of the elite and I am tired of hearing all this shit about WE only talk ourselves up. Google our fuking battles and talk to some past enemies of ours. WE ARE THE FUKIN TIP OF THE SPEAR AND ALWAYS THE FIRST ONES IN TO DESTROY ANYONE THAT FUKS WITH LIBERTY!!!

[SGT 0313]

HERE ARE SOME QUOTES FROM DIFFERENT SERVICES TO BACK UP WHAT I AM SAYING FOLKS!!!

The safest place in Korea was right behind a platoon of Marines.
Lord, how they could fight! [MGen. Frank E. Lowe, USA; Korea, 26
January 1952]



Marines know how to use their bayonets. Army bayonets may as well be
paperweights. [Navy Times; November 1994]



Why in hell can't the Army do it if the Marines can. They are the
same kind of men; why can't they be like Marines. [Gen. John J.
"Black Jack" Pershing, USA; 12 February 1918]


The raising of that flag on Suribachi means a Marine Corps for the
next five hundred years. [James Forrestal, Secretary of the Navy; 23
February 1945 (the flag-raising on Iwo Jima had been immortalized in
a photograph by Associated Press photographer Joe Rosenthal)]



I have just returned from visiting the Marines at the front, and
there is not a finer fighting organization in the world! [Gen.
Douglas MacArthur, USA; Korea, 21 September 1950]



We have two companies of Marines running rampant all over the
northern half of this island, and three Army regiments pinned down in
the southwestern corner, doing nothing. What the hell is going on?
[Gen. John W. Vessey Jr., USA, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff;
during
the assault on Grenada, 1983]



Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a
difference in the world. But, the Marines don't have that problem.
[Ronald Reagan, U.S. President; 1985]



Marines I see as two breeds, Rottweilers or Dobermans, because
Marines come in two varieties, big and mean, or skinny and mean.
They're aggressive on the attack and tenacious on defense. They've
got really short hair and they always go for the throat. [RAdm.
"Jay" R. Stark, USN; 10 November 1995]



They told (us) to open up the Embassy, or "we'll blow you away." And
then they looked up and saw the Marines on the roof with these
really big guns, and they said in Somali, "Igaralli ahow," which
means "Excuse me, I didn't mean it, my mistake." [Karen Aquilar, in
the U.S. Embassy; Mogadishu, Somalia, 1991]

[SGT 0313]

Oh......and let us not forget all you other services having "Time Out" cards if the stress is just too much for you. Hopefully they issue those out in the sandbox so you can present it to the enemy just before he rips your fuk*ing throat out!

[ChiefAD]

Oh......and let us not forget all you other services having "Time Out" cards if the stress is just too much for you. Hopefully they issue those out in the sandbox so you can present it to the enemy just before he rips your fuk*ing throat out!


oooh rah! we heard your point lol

There wasnt a 101st Airborne Division during WWI lol (relating to the Pershing quote) Those guys can bring the fight and observe how they operate on a day to day basis.

Former Marine/Former Screaming Eagle

[Variable Wind]

Oh......and let us not forget all you other services having "Time Out" cards if the stress is just too much for you. Hopefully they issue those out in the sandbox so you can present it to the enemy just before he rips your fuk*ing throat out!

As far as I am concerned, that is just an urban legend. I have heard the rumor before but never met anyone who ever was issued one or even knew someone who was issued one. Get a clue. I went into combat under a Marine Division, fortunately the marines I worked with acted a helluva lot more professional than you. Get over your inferiority complex. Just because you are a marine doesnt make you a bad ass, its just a stepping stone. I will agree that marines are generally better trained and belong to a more elite cadre than other services, but as you have just proven, even they have problem children.

[ChiefAD]

Stress cards was utilized in Army basic training in the early 2000s and ended a couple of years ago. If you couldnt handle the stress by the drill sergeant, you can hold that card up and the pressure was alleviated. Old school soldiers were critical of the program as well and I am told now (from a drill sergeant that just recently returned from the trail) that its been removed and that the Army new Basic Combat Training focusing on the warrior is the current standard. They now have soldiers have their rifles with them 24/7 just like the Corps does but I still dont believe in Co-ed training. I will never be an advocate of that. Only the Army Combat MOSes have them segregated e.g. infantry, combat engineer in what is called OSUT (one-station unit training)

[ChiefAD]

I was told by soldiers that witnessed this but snopes seems to list it as an urban legend.

http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp

[Variable Wind]

Stress cards was utilized in Army basic training and ended a couple of years ago. If you couldnt handle the stress by the drill sergeant, you can hold that card up and the pressure was alleviated. Old school soldiers were critical of the program as well and I am told now (from a drill sergeant that just recently returned from the trail) that its been removed and that the Army new Basic Combat Training focusing on the warrior is the current standard. They now have soldiers have their rifles with them 24/7 just like the Corps does but I still dont believe in Co-ed training. I will never be an advocate of that. Only the Army Combat MOSes have them segregated e.g. infantry, combat engineer in what is called OSUT (one-station unit training)

to correct you somewhat (unless my information is antequated) FT Knox and FT Benning are male only no matter OSUT or IET BC, MPs go through OSUT and they are Co-Ed at Ft Leonard Wood. I went to FT Knox before 15T was considered a Combat MOS (67T and still doesnt have OSUT) and it was all male as late as last year when another guy from the unit came from there too.

As far as the stress cards, Im going to have to see evidence of its use in the Army to believe it happened.

[ChiefAD]

You are right about the MPs (I was referring to combat arms not combat support). I was a reclass. Knox has tankers and cav scouts and Benning obviously infantry. I went to Fort Leonardwood as a combat engineer and Parris Island so all my basics have been only male. I know Jackson is Coed.

But my point is that no co-ed training in the Corps and I believe that it serves a good purpose.

[SGT 0313]

Get a clue. I went into combat under a Marine Division, fortunately the marines I worked with acted a helluva lot more professional than you. Get over your inferiority complex. Just because you are a marine doesnt make you a bad ass, its just a stepping stone. I will agree that marines are generally better trained and belong to a more elite cadre than other services, but as you have just proven, even they have problem children.[/QUOTE]

Sir.... I did not start this forum but I will be damned if I will have other services talk about how their boot camp is superior to mine. As far as me thinking I am a badass, you got it all wrong. I am but a stepping stone to the elite warrior culture of my brothers. No Marine takes personal pride in their achievments. I take no peronal pride in the ribbons I have on my chest because I know that it was beacuse of my colleagues that I am wearing them today.

Semper Fi

[Variable Wind]

You are right about the MPs since I was a reclass so didnt witness the joes up front. Knox has tankers and cav scouts and Benning obviously infantry. I went to Fort Leonardwood as a combat engineer and Parris Island so all my basics have been only male. I know Jackson is Coed.

Jackson and Sill. I dont know if its a fluke but the guys from Sill always seemed to shoot better and know more about the green book. I think whoever has been running the basics there has been doing a good job. Since most of the Aviation guys go to Jackson (I have no idea how I got assigned to Knox) I have heard from stories that the place is a total joke of a basic training now. Listening to my Father-in-Law's stories of how it used to be in the 60's thats a different story. But I dont know too many REAL differences from the REMF's training between myself and my brother who is a Marine crewchief. But while most of my family is USMC they are all prior generations. My belief is that all of the boot camps are starting to get too lax.

[Variable Wind]

Sir.... I did not start this forum but I will be damned if I will have other services talk about how their boot camp is superior to mine. As far as me thinking I am a badass, you got it all wrong. I am but a stepping stone to the elite warrior culture of my brothers. No Marine takes personal pride in their achievments. I take no peronal pride in the ribbons I have on my chest because I know that it was beacuse of my colleagues that I am wearing them today.

Semper Fi

Take into consideration that you are reflecting poorly with your language and lack of understanding of the other branches. You are basing judgements on stereotypes and not experience. We all have our role, Marines arent the only ones at the tip of the spear. As I said, I was very impressed at the professionalism in the Marines I served with in Iraq. I figured they were going to look at us army flyboys as dirt. But I think they knew we were no different from any other MAG unit flying them in and out of danger.

[SGT 0313]

We are all going to bitch and moan about whose d*ck is the biggest at the end of boot camp. I think we just need to reflect that we all make up the greatest war force this world has ever known. We each do our role better than any other country and that is why I am proud to have served with everyone who has contributed to this forum. It is pretty funny to see how much pride is at stake when someone calls out your branch of service:cool:

[Variable Wind]

We are all going to bitch and moan about whose d*ck is the biggest at the end of boot camp. I think we just need to reflect that we all make up the greatest war force this world has ever known. We each do our role better than any other country and that is why I am proud to have served with everyone who has contributed to this forum. It is pretty funny to see how much pride is at stake when someone calls out your branch of service:cool:

Ill drink to that.

[ChiefAD]

to correct you somewhat (unless my information is antequated) FT Knox and FT Benning are male only no matter OSUT or IET BC, MPs go through OSUT and they are Co-Ed at Ft Leonard Wood. I went to FT Knox before 15T was considered a Combat MOS (67T and still doesnt have OSUT) and it was all male as late as last year when another guy from the unit came from there too.

As far as the stress cards, Im going to have to see evidence of its use in the Army to believe it happened.

VW you were right. I saw this article in the Army Times today.

Leonard Wood sees jump in sex misconduct cases


The Associated Press
Posted : Sunday Nov 23, 2008 13:55:36 EST

ST. LOUIS — Fort Leonard Wood is dealing with a stream of cases in which drill sergeants have been accused of sexual misconduct with women trainees.
The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported in its Sunday editions that since February 2007, at least 14 drill sergeants or other trainers have faced courts-martial for improper relationships with soldiers undergoing basic training.
An Army spokesman said drill sergeants should never have any kind of personal relationship with a recruit.
Fort Leonard Wood is one of two Army installations that offer gender-integrated basic training.
Each year, about 30,000 soldiers, about a third of whom are women, undergo basic training at Fort Leonard Wood, which has 503 drill sergeants. Of those, 96 are women.

[jsnchrry]

to correct you somewhat (unless my information is antequated) FT Knox and FT Benning are male only no matter OSUT or IET BC, MPs go through OSUT and they are Co-Ed at Ft Leonard Wood. I went to FT Knox before 15T was considered a Combat MOS (67T and still doesnt have OSUT) and it was all male as late as last year when another guy from the unit came from there too.

As far as the stress cards, Im going to have to see evidence of its use in the Army to believe it happened.

here is a link for an article on stress cards, not sure if its the truth or not....stress cards ...urban legend or a product of clintons army?

you decide

http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp

[Variable Wind]

here is a link for an article on stress cards, not sure if its the truth or not....stress cards ...urban legend or a product of clintons army?

you decide

http://www.snopes.com/military/stress.asp

You were AF right? Did you ever see stress cards?

[Battleshort]

The guy that relieved me in Pearl in 97 had just come from pushing boots. He said that these cards, when raised, turned an ass chewing into a formal counseling session.

[Your_Name_Here]

You were AF right? Did you ever see stress cards?

Looks like I got here first: No such creature when I went through BMT in 92-93--not even as a card w/phone numbers. When I deployed to Gitmo in 94, I met one guy who had recently come back into the Operational AF from MTI duty. HE said there was no such thing, though if there was, he speculated that someone brandishing it about would definitely open him/herself up to an additional world of shit.

[jsnchrry]

You were AF right? Did you ever see stress cards?

I was in both the Army and then the AF. I was in the army back during the clinton years and never saw a stress card but i did hear of them. Isnt it funny how no one has seen a stress card on this forum instead all we have is second hand accounts from "buddies in basic" who swear they saw them. Its highly possible this is an urban legend, just like the ether bunny...remember the ether bunny?

[weazlefuzion]

You were AF right? Did you ever see stress cards?

I went through back in '06 and never saw one. Plenty of buddies went through in 07 and 08 and no one has ever seen one. I think they were probably a one-time deal with a single unit (in whatever service did in fact try them) and then someone called "bullshit" and they were tossed.

[jsnchrry]

Has anyone ever seen a stress card...i'm just curious?

[ringjamesa]

According to the snopes reference the only branch that had anything even remotely like what we all hear about was the Navy.

[Unregistered]

I am curious to know, since many of you have experience covering all the different services and various MOS' within them, what is the personal opinions you have (or experiences) with the Merchant Marine? I know that Military Sealift Command transports only military supplies and equipment and are civilian mariners, but I have never heard what their reputation is within the armed forces.

Thanks for your service, regardless which branch and MOS.

[Unregistered]

sorry, i've been trained to do more than just pull triggers. I just observe the people that I see in each branch of service and make my own conclusions on which branch I decided to join.

USAF-Above all

[USMC_0211]

I'm a Marine. I've never been to Army, Navy or Air Force Basic Training. But honestly, I know the Marine Corps doesn't define our branch of service by the "toughness" of it's Boot Camp. Being a Marine is SOOO much more than the quality or toughness of it's Boot Camp.

There are certain facts to Marine Corps Boot Camp:

It is definitely longer than all the other brances of service.
To be a Marine, you MUST graduate from Marine Boot Camp. Marines don't have to go through Basic Training in any other service.
Marine Corps Boot Camp does teach some academics, but does not stress them as much as the Air Force might. Largely due to the Marine Corps repuation as an air, land AND sea fighting force.

I won't say that any service's boot camps are tougher than the others, they are just all different. And for good reasons, too.

Good post overall

[SGT Nolan]

That alone is probably a lot more that anything you might have, which would explain why you are such a negative individual. Did life really go so bad for you that the only thing you have left to do now is sit on here and try your best to bash others with a different point of view. Marines have the hardest boot camp, and we always get the girl! There's a big mouthful of reality for you pansy.

Man, after reading your posts I am now convinced you are no older than 18. Have you even GONE to Boot Camp? I bet your just a DEP recruit judging by the thoughtless posts you put on here. Everything you say ends with "MC BOOT IS THE HARDEST AND WE GET THE GIRL" or some stupid shit along those lines. You must know by now that none of your posts sound credible. God help the MC if they have people like you in it.

[Shrike]

Man, after reading your posts I am now convinced you are no older than 18. Have you even GONE to Boot Camp? I bet your just a DEP recruit judging by the thoughtless posts you put on here. Everything you say ends with "MC BOOT IS THE HARDEST AND WE GET THE GIRL" or some stupid shit along those lines. You must know by now that none of your posts sound credible. God help the MC if they have people like you in it.

Just FYI, it's been over a year since Bomber was on here, so don't hold your breath waiting for a response. ;)

[Retired old dog]

Fuc*ing right Marine Boot Camp is the toughest! Are you kidding me? What, they make you Air Force chicks ride your exercise bikes and do math problems (how can anyone in your command justify an exercise bike as a PFT component)? Marines are broken down and groomed to do things no other service can offer. We guard the President while he sleeps and every embassy overseas! The President can send us in harms way without Congressional approval so we can start killing bodies before our sister services even show up. Take the movie Black Hawk Down for example...one of the first lines of the movie was the Marines pulled out of Somalia and that my friends is why shit hit the fan because the Somalians knew we weren't around anymore to fuk them up.
You other services are great at what you do. Would not have survied Fallugah without some bombs dropped from the sky and my Army brethren raining hell with arty and close combat infantry but come on (gotta give love to the Squids to for all they do to protecting our country).
I will give you guys academics but when the fuk was the last war decided upon who could do a fuking math problem the fastest. It has ALWAYS been kill or be killed and that is why Marine Boot Camp is superior. It makes us the elite of the elite and I am tired of hearing all this shit about WE only talk ourselves up. Google our fuking battles and talk to some past enemies of ours. WE ARE THE FUKIN TIP OF THE SPEAR AND ALWAYS THE FIRST ONES IN TO DESTROY ANYONE THAT FUKS WITH LIBERTY!!!

Well-said!

[ringjamesa]

If you think that tripe was well said.....you should spend some of your retirement going back to school...

[TJMAC77SP]

If you think that tripe was well said.....you should spend some of your retirement going back to school...

Thanks James.......had several versions of a reply but just hit the 'delete' button. Not worth it.

[Variable Wind]

Well-said!

as in "marine corps boot camp is tougher because we dont have to use our brains, only our muscles and smart people are just feminine pansy-types"

If you agreed with that, you pretty much agreed with a slam against the corps. Being in the Army I find that quite humorous, but I am pretty sure my brother would take offense.

[ringjamesa]

IMHO, comments like that belong in the past. Yes every Basic Training is different. Yes every service is different. However, if they actually knew what they were talking about, they would realize that the bike test is only for those that cannot complete the run or walk. Also, I am of the opinion that while there is still some interservice rivalry, this tripe is pretty much in the past. In today's joint force enviroment, attitudes like that are no longer justified and often not tolerated. Over the last 10 years or so, the amount of joint training, joint tasking, etc has increased exponentially and IMHO so has the respect that the different services have for one another. There is still some good natured ribbing don't get me wrong but this neaderthal attitude is no longer one that is encouraged and for good reason. If you rely on the AF to keep you safe, why would you dog them out? If you work side-by-side with the Army every day, why dog them out? If the Navy is running convoys to bring you much needed supplies, why dog them out? If your Installation Commander is a Marine, why bag on the Marines? That crap doesn't make sense anymore and while an old out of touch retiree may still have that mindset, most current members of the United States Military don't.

[Variable Wind]

Well said. Since my unit was actually attached to MAG-16 in our trip across the pond, I found the marines we deployed with to be quite friendly. Swapping stories you realize how very much the same the services are.

[sigecaps]

I will always dog on Marines/Army for not having high enough asvab scores to join the Air Force. :D

[SSgtAllen3381]

I will always dog on Marines/Army for not having high enough asvab scores to join the Air Force. :D

That's alright, because we dog the Air Force for not being man enough to join the Corps. :)

[Deebelle369]

Ha! My kid MAXED out the ASVAB and still chose the Corps! Ooh-rah!

[Variable Wind]

Ha! My kid MAXED out the ASVAB and still chose the Corps! Ooh-rah!

Must have been a learning curve. ;). Dont have room, I maxed it too and still went Army.

[TJMAC77SP]

Well the ASVAB does not measure how well you can make a positive choice..............

((obviously))

[Variable Wind]

Well the ASVAB does not measure how well you can make a positive choice..............

((obviously))

Ive been saying that ever since I stayed at yalls billets at Dover.

[Deebelle369]

Must have been a learning curve. ;). Dont have room, I maxed it too and still went Army.

Well, I won't hold that momentary mental lapse against ya Windy.....;)

[Deebelle369]

Well the ASVAB does not measure how well you can make a positive choice..............

((obviously))

True. Good choices speak for themselves. :tongue:

[Variable Wind]

Well, I won't hold that momentary mental lapse against ya Windy.....;)

Lol, noone is perfect. At least I still get to wear the eagle, globe and anchor on my combat patch. 3rd MAW!

[Deebelle369]

Proof we are all on one side....
Say, is that quote in your siggie from Boondock Saints? Cuz if it is, I'm fairly certain he didn't say "friggin"......

[Variable Wind]

Proof we are all on one side....
Say, is that quote in your siggie from Boondock Saints? Cuz if it is, I'm fairly certain he didn't say "friggin"......

A-men, different uniforms, same flag.

Yes the sig is from Boondock Saints, and no he didnt say "friggen" but as I believe in a generally profanity free post history, the rewording was necessary for public consumption. Alice the MOD would not appreciate me dropping the F bomb at the end of every post.

That said, I curse like a sailor on the flightline.

[Deebelle369]

LOL! Well, I for one appreciate the self-restraint! My two Marine sons LOVE that movie and fancy themselves fans of the two brothers, but I wince everytime I sit through it with them. Not fond of that word and don't use it myself but I think they have a class in the F-word in MC Boot Camp and it slips out of my boys mouths in my presence a lot more than it ever did before they went. In other words, I wince a lot.:rolleyes:

And ..um....curse like a "sailor"? Dude! How many different unis you got? :D

[Variable Wind]

Two, Army and Civilian.

[Deebelle369]

Just teasin'.....I am fluent in smarta$$. :D

[acesfilter]

Well the ASVAB does not measure how well you can make a positive choice..............

((obviously))

Of course not. An ASVAB score isn't much different from an IQ test; it demonstrates your ability (or lack there of) to take a test.

[TJMAC77SP]

Of course not. An ASVAB score isn't much different from an IQ test; it demonstrates your ability (or lack there of) to take a test.

Joke missed......................

[Deebelle369]

I don't think that was a joke Teej. Just a statement. I guess some of us have to be serious. Thanks God it's not me.

[ringjamesa]

I love it w3hen people say they maxed out the ASVAB or got a perfect score. I have seen literally thousands of ASVAB scores and have yet to see ONE perfect score. I have seen some that are pretty damn close but "maxed out?" Never...

[Variable Wind]

I love it w3hen people say they maxed out the ASVAB or got a perfect score. I have seen literally thousands of ASVAB scores and have yet to see ONE perfect score. I have seen some that are pretty damn close but "maxed out?" Never...

I dont know how often it happens or even whether its a big deal or not. I could care less as long as I qualified to do what I wanted to do. However, when I was processed through MEPS and Reception at Basic, a few of the paper pushers did look at my records and said "oh youre the one with the 99 ASVAB"

Really I was always told that your GT score was what counted.

[Deebelle369]

I love it w3hen people say they maxed out the ASVAB or got a perfect score. I have seen literally thousands of ASVAB scores and have yet to see ONE perfect score. I have seen some that are pretty damn close but "maxed out?" Never...

Well, Ring, I got my info from my son and that is the term he used. Having not taken the ASVAB for over 25 years, I don't remember what a perfect score is, but he got the best possible. So, what is a perfect score?

[TJMAC77SP]

I don't think that was a joke Teej. Just a statement. I guess some of us have to be serious. Thanks God it's not me.

My orignal post about positive choices was the joke. Some folks are a wee bit too serious about topics which are prima facie silly

[Deebelle369]

OOOHHH! I gotcha now...duh....:rolleyes:

[ringjamesa]

Well, Ring, I got my info from my son and that is the term he used. Having not taken the ASVAB for over 25 years, I don't remember what a perfect score is, but he got the best possible. So, what is a perfect score?

Well, if he went into the USMC, for them a perfect score would of course include a 99 AFOQT as well as a 99 in the MM, CL, GT, and EL scores. A true Perfect score would be to have a 99 in all the line scores; GS, AR, WK, PC, NO, CS, AS, MK, MC, EI , and VE.

[Deebelle369]

Thx, Ring. He is such a brainiac, I wouldn't be a bit suprised if he did 'max it out' (shameless braggin on progeny here), but I guess I'll have to give the actual results the once-over to know for sure. This much I am sure of, they told him he could have any MOS he wanted.

[acesfilter]

Really I was always told that your GT score was what counted.

Which is strange...considering "general tech" would have little to do with frying bad meat or pulling the trigger on an M16 or turning a wrench..

And it goes on.

But you're right--they certainly do focus hard on GT score more than the other 9 categories.

[ringjamesa]

Thx, Ring. He is such a brainiac, I wouldn't be a bit suprised if he did 'max it out' (shameless braggin on progeny here), but I guess I'll have to give the actual results the once-over to know for sure. This much I am sure of, they told him he could have any MOS he wanted.

Ahh...the oldest and biggest lie they tell at MEPS. There isn't one single person that is qualified for every single MOS out there. No possible way. First of all, I am assuming that he was Non-prior service? Can he be a Recruiter? a DI? Education Assistant? EOA? Even ones open to NPS applicants..How about Band? Linguist (requires another test)? CID? Does he have Depth Perception? Color Vision? There are a lot of factors that need to be taken into consideration before someone is qualified for a MOS. ASVAB isn't the end all be all.

[Deebelle369]

Well, I assume they meant any MOS that is available to first-time recruits that he could receive training for.

And may I ask, ever so sweetly, why you are hell-bent on peeing on my maternal pride parade? :cool:

[Variable Wind]

Well, I assume they meant any MOS that is available to first-time recruits that he could receive training for.

And may I ask, ever so sweetly, why you are hell-bent on peeing on my maternal pride parade? :cool:

Because recruiters blew sunshine up your dress. They do it to everyone and some of us are bitter about it.

[ringjamesa]

Not me. I am a Recruiter. He wasn't even eligible for all the jobs availible to first time recruits. Did he take the DLAB? If not=not eligible. Does he play an instrument? If not, can't be in the band. Does he have color vision? If not there are a TON of jobs he isn't eligible for. The MEPS liason tells a lot of people that and while they may intend it well-give you that warm fuzzy, it is almost never true. The only reason I don't like it is because later in life when they find out it wasn't true, "my recruiter lied to me." Those are the 4 words I hate to hear most and sometimes it is true but 9-10 times, the either it wasn't the recruiter it was the MEPS liason and the recrutier takes the heat OR the person just heard what they wanted to hear. sorry just bothers me. BTW, I had a person from another branch tell me they got a 99 on the ASVAB-reall scored in the 40s.

[Variable Wind]

Not me. I am a Recruiter. He wasn't even eligible for all the jobs availible to first time recruits. Did he take the DLAB? If not=not eligible. Does he play an instrument? If not, can't be in the band. Does he have color vision? If not there are a TON of jobs he isn't eligible for. The MEPS liason tells a lot of people that and while they may intend it well-give you that warm fuzzy, it is almost never true. The only reason I don't like it is because later in life when they find out it wasn't true, "my recruiter lied to me." Those are the 4 words I hate to hear most and sometimes it is true but 9-10 times, the either it wasn't the recruiter it was the MEPS liason and the recrutier takes the heat OR the person just heard what they wanted to hear. sorry just bothers me. BTW, I had a person from another branch tell me they got a 99 on the ASVAB-reall scored in the 40s.

Youre a recruiter? **grabs blunt object**

[Variable Wind]

Basically the ASVAB is a dumbed down version of the SAT's that you take in high school only it covers more than just two subjects.

[acesfilter]

Because recruiters blew sunshine up your dress. They do it to everyone and some of us are bitter about it.

It's simply their attempt at making running into open fire on a battlefield with no running water sound more appealing to the young American public.

[Deebelle369]

Actually, VW, nobody blew anything up my dress. I've been involved with the US Mil (ex was Army) for longer than you've been alive and I know there are no bases at Club Med. I came into this when the expression was "if the Army wanted you to have a wife, they'd have issued you one". Good times (she said with sarcasim).

I do understand that certain illusions are presented to would-be recruits of every branch. I tried to tell him (my son) that, but he did not listen. Ah, such is life for a mother of sons. I can totally understand your bitterness. But, lemme tell ya, it's not all sweetness and light here in the corporate world either. Recruiters wear civies too and are not above sucking you in, getting you all settled and then taking off their sheep's clothing. The difference is, my postition is "at will" which means I don't have to stay. But, when you are the sole source of support for your family and they are all used to luxuries like heat and groceries...you stay.

My point is ( and I do have one), that my kid is smart and I'm sure he will do well no matter what the Corps throws at him. And I will brag on him no matter what you guys throw at me. :)

[acesfilter]

My point is ( and I do have one), that my kid is smart and I'm sure he will do well no matter what the Corps throws at him. And I will brag on him no matter what you guys throw at me. :)

So in other words, he'll be out in four. Because intelligent people don't normally hang around the Corps too long; they move onto bigger and better things (whatever those are).

[Variable Wind]

I hear you Dee, I think you brought the ASVAB arguement on when you mentioned it though. Since youve been in the military system you know that it comes off as annoying when someone starts bragging about their ASVABs (I think even I did the same thing a couple of pages back but the point I was trying to make was that it doesnt make a difference) Now as a parent I can understand your pride and whatnot, but we still associate it with 'that guy' in the unit who brags about his ASVAB score. Im glad your kids have the brains to get good jobs, but brag about what they do since thats what they decided to do.

[acesfilter]

I have always agreed with the quote from Batman Begins:

"It's not who you are underneath, but what you do that defines you."

[Variable Wind]

Was that before or after he gave his wife and mother a verbal thrashing ;)

[Deebelle369]

I understand VW. Bragging on oneself is gauche. Bragging on one's child is expected!

Aces - do you honestly believe that no intelligent persons stay in the Corps for a career? Can't agree with you there. I have two, very intelligent nephews that did 20 years each and it didn't dumb them down a bit. Both are successful today.

[sigecaps]

I don't seriously believe scoring in the 99th percentile of the ASVAB precludes me to the Air Force. Most of us know that you have intelligent people in the Marines, and you hardcore people in the Air Force; albeit these tend to be the exceptions to the norm. We enjoy the friendly inter-service rivalry anyway. Marines call us whimps. We call them dumbasses. "Yeah, yeah, I'm a pussy, but you are still in the Marines! Dumbass." :D

[acesfilter]

Aces - do you honestly believe that no intelligent persons stay in the Corps for a career? Can't agree with you there. I have two, very intelligent nephews that did 20 years each and it didn't dumb them down a bit. Both are successful today.

There are, as always, room for variables. No where in my statement did I cite absolution in my rather generalized assumption (I.E. "no intelligent person EVER..").

Reread last quote, then proceed to the next station. Thank you.

[Deebelle369]

I don't seriously believe scoring in the 99th percentile of the ASVAB precludes me to the Air Force. Most of us know that you have intelligent people in the Marines, and you hardcore people in the Air Force; albeit these tend to be the exceptions to the norm. We enjoy the friendly inter-service rivalry anyway. Marines call us whimps. We call them dumbasses. "Yeah, yeah, I'm a pussy, but you are still in the Marines! Dumbass." :D


True Sig. And I am not above playful banter (tongue planted firmly in cheek). Honestly, my boys chose the Corps because they viewed it as the toughest. Whether or not it is, is not for me to say seeing how I have never been to any form of boot camp except sweating out my ex and both my sons incarcerations and that hardly qualifies. In raising them, mostly by myself, I either did something really right or dreadfully wrong, because they just can't make it hard enough for those two. Both of them have had a "great time" in boot camp and one of them even called it "disappointing". Not challenging enough for him. Aye carumba.... Not sure how they got that way other than we as a family had some serious crap thrown our way and it made them tough. This I do know, that they have always excelled at everything they set their minds to and the Corps will be no exception.

[Variable Wind]

True Sig. And I am not above playful banter (tongue planted firmly in cheek). Honestly, my boys chose the Corps because they viewed it as the toughest. Whether or not it is, is not for me to say seeing how I have never been to any form of boot camp except sweating out my ex and both my sons incarcerations and that hardly qualifies. In raising them, mostly by myself, I either did something really right or dreadfully wrong, because they just can't make it hard enough for those two. Both of them have had a "great time" in boot camp and one of them even called it "disappointing". Not challenging enough for him. Aye carumba.... Not sure how they got that way other than we as a family had some serious crap thrown our way and it made them tough. This I do know, that they have always excelled at everything they set their minds to and the Corps will be no exception.

Well after serving with and supporting the Marines in Iraq, I can tell you your boys definitely have something to be proud of.

[Deebelle369]

Thx, WV. So do I. But, I already said that, huh? :D

[Muel1988]

So the kid wasn't that bright. You're using one waterhead individual as your measuring stick of how difficult MC Recruit Training is?

Very well. If he was going from the MC to the AF, that alone tells you how "bright" he is.


Kill people, break things. The Marine Corps way.

Cpl Mueller
MSG Detachment Kingston Jamaica
MWR/Ball/Training NCO

[Warbyrd13]

Look the Marines are differant for the simple fact we can be told by the President himself go here an kick ass. The rest of the branches need permission from congress to do that. We are the first ones in and the last ones out.

The Marines are also differant from other branches in the fact we have small unit leadership. You compare ranks across the services an actualy look what branch actualy expects more out of thier enlisted.

Marine Corp Boot Camp is 13 weeks long. Then there is either MCT( Marine Combat Training) or SOI( School of Infantry) after boot camp just depends on what MOS you have. Then there is MOS school for the noninfantry.

Every Marine is a rifleman. Want to compare what my rilfe range qual is like compared to other branches? I do believe the the Marine Corp is the only branch that shoots from the 500 yd line when we do our yearly qual. I may be wrong. We all are trained to be able to fight first an then our other Job second. Read all the AI billets being filled by non combat MOS's. My buddy is a Sat Com Tech n he was part of a team training the Iraqi police there.

We can also look at all the services Physical Fitness test. I will be more than happy to take anyother branches PT test if you think you are ready to take mine. An the funny thing there are updating the PT standerd with this new Combat Fitness Test we have to take along with our PFT. But since I am out now never had to take that little test. Looks like something from Sgt's course PT though. Drag,carry, crawl with weight or with another Marine. Looks simple enough. An no lets not debate what our special forces physical requirments are becuase what I am pointing out is what every Marine has to take this regardless of thier job title.

We actualy have a swim qual that happens also. Its fun just a nice day in the pool that is all it is. With your pack n a few other items.

Lets talk about the NCO sword that the enlisted are allowed to wear during certain events. After you reach the rank of Cpl. This actualy symbolizes the Leadership the NCOs of the Marines after a nasty little battle back in history. Which of course is where we get our Blood Stripe also for all those who died in that battle.

Lets talk about uniforms. The Dress Blues of the Marines. Marines look damn sexy in them an we know it.

An I will finish this off with a comment that my wife used while she was in the Air Force. She was asked why she only dated Marines an not her fellow Airmen. Her response was I like dating real men.

Sorry I couldn't resist the last one. Any way iIhope my brothers n sisters from the other branches get a smile about the last statement.

[Shrike]

Look the Marines are differant for the simple fact we can be told by the President himself go here an kick ass. The rest of the branches need permission from congress to do that.

Really? Care to cite the US Code that states this?

[Warbyrd13]

Not a problem. Let me go an find the actual order that allows the Marines to be deployed anywhere , at any time when the President calls for us.

The US Marines works directly for the president
The US Marines is also the only branch that works directly for the US President. (The others work for Congress). Therefore, the US Marines can be deployed within 24 hours anywhere around the world.
Since the end of the Cold War the US Marines has increasingly been called upon to respond to a growing number of unconventional crises around the world. The US Marines Corps' focus on littoral warfare, its forward deployed presence, and rapid crisis response capability, make the US Marines the natural force of choice to turn to.

this is where that staement came from. The Marines can be and have been deployed in 24 hrs to go anywhere at any time. Now where the actual order is____i will research this more but i do rember from my classes there is a time limit on how long Marines are allowed in an area to operate. i just can not rember all the details since I have not been on "Air Alert" for such a long time.

[Shrike]

Not a problem. Let me go an find the actual order that allows the Marines to be deployed anywhere , at any time when the President calls for us.

The US Marines works directly for the president
The US Marines is also the only branch that works directly for the US President. (The others work for Congress). Therefore, the US Marines can be deployed within 24 hours anywhere around the world.
Since the end of the Cold War the US Marines has increasingly been called upon to respond to a growing number of unconventional crises around the world. The US Marines Corps' focus on littoral warfare, its forward deployed presence, and rapid crisis response capability, make the US Marines the natural force of choice to turn to.

this is where that staement came from. The Marines can be and have been deployed in 24 hrs to go anywhere at any time. Now where the actual order is____i will research this more but i do rember from my classes there is a time limit on how long Marines are allowed in an area to operate. i just can not rember all the details since I have not been on "Air Alert" for such a long time.

So you're saying that the president can't tell the USAF to go bomb, say...an aspirin factory in the Sudan without getting Congress' approval first?

I think there's a misunderstanding. The Marine Corps, just like all of the other services, is organized under the DoD and as such takes its marching orders from the SecDef. I think you're confusing the three primary areas of responsibility of the Corps as listed in 10 U.S.C. 5063: "The seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and other land operations to support naval campaigns; the development of tactics, technique, and equipment used by amphibious landing forces; and such other duties as the President may direct" with the operational chain of command of the services.

[Warbyrd13]

You might be right. Maybe I am over thinking the whole "Big Stick" as Truman called it. I will have to do some more research on this. I just tired n trying to rember what i was thinking about. Thanks for point out the order n stuff.

[Variable Wind]

Everyone knows you guys work for the Navy anyway.

[ringjamesa]

Not a problem. Let me go an find the actual order that allows the Marines to be deployed anywhere , at any time when the President calls for us.

The US Marines works directly for the president
The US Marines is also the only branch that works directly for the US President. (The others work for Congress). Therefore, the US Marines can be deployed within 24 hours anywhere around the world.
Since the end of the Cold War the US Marines has increasingly been called upon to respond to a growing number of unconventional crises around the world. The US Marines Corps' focus on littoral warfare, its forward deployed presence, and rapid crisis response capability, make the US Marines the natural force of choice to turn to.

this is where that staement came from. The Marines can be and have been deployed in 24 hrs to go anywhere at any time. Now where the actual order is____i will research this more but i do rember from my classes there is a time limit on how long Marines are allowed in an area to operate. i just can not rember all the details since I have not been on "Air Alert" for such a long time.

Wow. You couldn't be more wrong. I was with you on most of your other posts on other threads but this one...so far out in left field. Please tell me that you are not actually a Marine? If you are, you REALLY need to do some research. I can't imagine anyone that is actually in the USMC would have that little knowledge about the USMC. I am pretty sure they teach your chain of command and Marine Coprs history in Basic. Or did you skip basic? The USMC is actually part of and falls under the Department of the Navy which in turn is part of the Department of Defense. The only components of the Armed Forces that fall outside the Dod only do so during peacetime-Merchant Marines and the US Coast Guard. The USMC has always and will always be part of the DoD and just like any component of the DoD would require Congressional approval for extended operations AND conversely like the USMC, no other conponent (the USMC is not a branch of the armed forces [Army, Navy, and Air Force] like the USCG they fall under the Navy) requires congressional approval to do squat that the President tells them to do as long as it falls under the President's authority to give said order.

[Yggdrasil]

But since I am out now....

Just like all of my friends back from high school who joined the Marine Corps. Every last one of them got out. They all thought that they were such badasses - yet refused to make a career out of being that badass.

Tell me, what's so wrong with the USMC that most of you seem to get out after you do your four?

[ringjamesa]

Welcome back!

[Yggdrasil]

An I will finish this off with a comment that my wife used while she was in the Air Force. She was asked why she only dated Marines an not her fellow Airmen. Her response was I like dating real men.

By the way, I thought I might add this: both my wife and I were previously married. My wife was married to a Marine (apparently, he's a computer dork that's obessed with comics and Japanese anime). Now, she's a proud Navy wife. Hoo yah!

[Variable Wind]

I thought the marines and the navy were the same thing...whats the difference again?

nyuck nyuck.

[ringjamesa]

I thought the marines and the navy were the same thing...whats the difference again?

nyuck nyuck.

Navy can at least claim to be a Department of the DoD....Marines are a component of the Department of the Navy...

[Yggdrasil]

Looks to me like the only "cool" part about being a Marine is becoming one. After the training is over, and you're going to work and being paid just like everyone else in every other service, it must be a real drag.

[ringjamesa]

Apparently it isn't learning anything ABOUT the Marines...(see the tripe Warbyrd was spewing forth...)

[axscntU8_Dpstv]

Lets talk about uniforms. The Dress Blues of the Marines. Marines look damn sexy in them an we know it.




***big happy sigh***

[Deebelle369]

Just like all of my friends back from high school who joined the Marine Corps. Every last one of them got out. They all thought that they were such badasses - yet refused to make a career out of being that badass.

Tell me, what's so wrong with the USMC that most of you seem to get out after you do your four?

Probably opening a can here, but from what I hear from my son, making you a badass doesn't make you a good leader or teacher. Jr. Marines are treated like poo and they get tired of it real quick. On one hand they get "be a man of honor, courage and committment" (all wonderful qualities) and then they get treated like children by the ones that are supposed to be modeling it for them. I'm not saying this is everyone's situation, but the leadership over my son has managed to sour him on staying anytime after his original four (plus 4). This was a kid that wanted nothing more than to become a Marine and has done his absolute best to be a good one. His SDI called him a "stantion recruit", so we aren't talking about a slacker. But the other day he got reamed a new one for leaving his NVG's in the wrong pocket. Now, I understand correcting a mistake, but telling him he is the WORST Marine ever and he needs the sh$t beat out of him hardly qualifies as good correction in my view.

[Yggdrasil]

***big happy sigh***

Maybe a better response would have been asking him whether or not he's acted on his findings of Marines being sexy in their dress blues.

[Warbyrd13]

No, I do not find Male Marines sexy in their Dress Blue uniform. I do find some Female Marines very sexy in thier Dress uniform. i don't judge Males in uniform on how sexy they look. I don't swing that way. I prefer women to have intimate realtionships with.

No I did not do my full twenty. I got out with 12 yrs 9 months. Every one gets out for their reasons. Some people stay in becuase they have a great time n don't mind the deployments. There is always pros an cons with staying in and getting out just depends on peoples personal experiance on how they were treated by their first unit. I know everyone here has a few stories about a dirt bag officer or NCO, SNCO that just never needed to be promoted or allowed to stay in. I know of a "high caliber" "Sgt" who was the units Golden Child in Oki who is now serving time in the brig for rape. He was a douchebag an I honestly want to strangle the morons who promoted this reatard. I warned him about his actions but he thought he was untouchable. That guy did alot of stupid shit an it just amazed us other Sgts how clueless this guy really was.

Don't take this the wrong way people but I do take alot of pride in my branch of service. I respect the other services also, but I do enjoy poking a little at the other branches an don't mind when the Marine jokes get told. I just take pride in I believe seperates my branch from the others. PFT, Swim qual, Marksmanship, NCO Sword and what it stands for, the uniform. My core values Honor, Courage, Commitment. The 14 leadership traits. My branch can mobilize very quickly. These things to me make Marines differant from the other branches.

Now there are several things I need to look up as some people have pointed out. I have no problem with that. Sometimes I think more of the titles "911 force" can mobilize in 24 hours to be any where to do what the President needs us to do. I have to look a couple things up as some people have pointed out, an I have no problem in doing that. But I need to get ready for night shift. I have to study for my upcoming exam so I can get promoted in the company I work for. Looking forward to that nice little pay raise.

Once I get some infomation I will post some more on this subject. You guys have a good day.

[axscntU8_Dpstv]

Maybe a better response would have been asking him whether or not he's acted on his findings of Marines being sexy in their dress blues.


Why? It matters not to me what his courting rituals are. I only appreciate a damn fine sexy Marine in uniform. :D

ETA: self-confidence is sexy too.

[Yggdrasil]

Why? It matters not to me what his courting rituals are. I only appreciate a damn fine sexy Marine in uniform. :D

ETA: self-confidence is sexy too.

Sorry about that - I won't question his "courting rituals" anymore (he's already answered anyway). BTW, I don't think females look good in USMC blues - especially with that black-visored white baseball cap that they have to wear with it.

Not saying that I like female Navy dress uniforms either. The blues appear to be cheaply made compared to Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps dress uniforms, and I'm not a fan of the female combination cover (personally, I feel that the Navy dixie cup and the service cap/combination cap currently worn by males in all services should be unisex).

I think that the Air Force dress uniform is the best looking one on females - and I would tie the Army dress uniform with it, were it not for the fact that the Army throws so much sh!t on their uniforms that by the time a Soldier makes PFC, they look like a dictator of a third world country (as I understand it, Soldier's actually LIKE that - the Army Dress Blues - which I rate as equal to Marine Corps dress blues as it stands now - is about to get "third-world-country-dictatored out" as well, since they want to put unit patches on the shoulders, unit crests on the epaulets, and tuck their pants into jump boots, and wear a beret with it. Now, the one uniform that could stand against Marine Corps dress blues is going to look like ass).

[Variable Wind]

Sorry about that - I won't question his "courting rituals" anymore (he's already answered anyway). BTW, I don't think females look good in USMC blues - especially with that black-visored white baseball cap that they have to wear with it.

Not saying that I like female Navy dress uniforms either. The blues appear to be cheaply made compared to Army, Air Force, and Marine Corps dress uniforms, and I'm not a fan of the female combination cover (personally, I feel that the Navy dixie cup and the service cap/combination cap currently worn by males in all services should be unisex).

I think that the Air Force dress uniform is the best looking one on females - and I would tie the Army dress uniform with it, were it not for the fact that the Army throws so much sh!t on their uniforms that by the time a Soldier makes PFC, they look like a dictator of a third world country (as I understand it, Soldier's actually LIKE that - the Army Dress Blues - which I rate as equal to Marine Corps dress blues as it stands now - is about to get "third-world-country-dictatored out" as well, since they want to put unit patches on the shoulders, unit crests on the epaulets, and tuck their pants into jump boots, and wear a beret with it. Now, the one uniform that could stand against Marine Corps dress blues is going to look like ass).

You mean look like Paul Blart- Mall Cop. I swear the Army just might issue us Sequays with this uniform.

[acesfilter]

You mean look like Paul Blart- Mall Cop. I swear the Army just might issue us Sequays with this uniform.

Indeed. Way to ruin a perfectly good dress uniform, eh? I don't see the big deal in simply maintaining two dress uniforms for two (or more) different purposes.

[Warbyrd13]

I will have to agree on you guys about the fact the Army has too many patches, badges, ribbons on thier uniform so its hard to know what they have actualy done.

Personaly i hate the Charilie uniform for the marines becuase it just don't look right to me. Iprefer my Delta unifrom blue slacks, kahiki shirt, Dress blue cover. To me I prefer this uniform espicaly when the Marine has earned thier "Blood Stripe" an is able to wear that in thier dress uniform.

[MKopack]

Not a problem. Let me go an find the actual order that allows the Marines to be deployed anywhere , at any time when the President calls for us.

The US Marines works directly for the president
The US Marines is also the only branch that works directly for the US President. (The others work for Congress). Therefore, the US Marines can be deployed within 24 hours anywhere around the world.
Since the end of the Cold War the US Marines has increasingly been called upon to respond to a growing number of unconventional crises around the world. The US Marines Corps' focus on littoral warfare, its forward deployed presence, and rapid crisis response capability, make the US Marines the natural force of choice to turn to.

this is where that staement came from. The Marines can be and have been deployed in 24 hrs to go anywhere at any time. Now where the actual order is____i will research this more but i do rember from my classes there is a time limit on how long Marines are allowed in an area to operate. i just can not rember all the details since I have not been on "Air Alert" for such a long time.

How in fact would the Marines get there? Would they walk? Swim perhaps? Or would they ride along on a Naval vessel, or perhaps fly as freight on an Air Force aircraft?

Do you seriously think that the Marines are unique to be able to be deployed in 24 hours? All services have alert units that are standing by to support whatever contingencies may arise, and I know that I've been deployed to a country that not even our Wing Commander had heard of with less than 12 hours notice. Twelve hours later our aircraft were in place and ready for combat - ready to cover the Marines as they entered the theater.

While we all have pride in our own branch, all the services are important to our country, and none can accomplish their missions without the other's support.

Mike

[Variable Wind]

Very true. Marines RARELY move on their own.

[ringjamesa]

No, I do not find Male Marines sexy in their Dress Blue uniform. I do find some Female Marines very sexy in thier Dress uniform. i don't judge Males in uniform on how sexy they look. I don't swing that way. I prefer women to have intimate realtionships with.
No I did not do my full twenty. I got out with 12 yrs 9 months. Every one gets out for their reasons. Some people stay in becuase they have a great time n don't mind the deployments. There is always pros an cons with staying in and getting out just depends on peoples personal experiance on how they were treated by their first unit. I know everyone here has a few stories about a dirt bag officer or NCO, SNCO that just never needed to be promoted or allowed to stay in. I know of a "high caliber" "Sgt" who was the units Golden Child in Oki who is now serving time in the brig for rape. He was a douchebag an I honestly want to strangle the morons who promoted this reatard. I warned him about his actions but he thought he was untouchable. That guy did alot of stupid shit an it just amazed us other Sgts how clueless this guy really was.
Don't take this the wrong way people but I do take alot of pride in my branch of service. I respect the other services also, but I do enjoy poking a little at the other branches an don't mind when the Marine jokes get told. I just take pride in I believe seperates my branch from the others. PFT, Swim qual, Marksmanship, NCO Sword and what it stands for, the uniform. My core values Honor, Courage, Commitment. The 14 leadership traits. My branch can mobilize very quickly. These things to me make Marines differant from the other branches.
Now there are several things I need to look up as some people have pointed out. I have no problem with that. Sometimes I think more of the titles "911 force" can mobilize in 24 hours to be any where to do what the President needs us to do. I have to look a couple things up as some people have pointed out, an I have no problem in doing that. But I need to get ready for night shift. I have to study for my upcoming exam so I can get promoted in the company I work for. Looking forward to that nice little pay raise.
Once I get some infomation I will post some more on this subject. You guys have a good day.

You sir are a LIAR. There is no way that you could have done 12 years without learning the fact that the Secratary of the Navy and the Secratary of Defense are in your Chain of Command-no possible way. You obviously take ZERO pride in what you claim to be your branch of service since you have no idea how it works or what it's position within the Department of Defense is or even that it IS part of the Department of Defense (you claim they work "directly for the president"). You think making up a slogan like 911 force excuses your total lack of knowledge about a uniform you claimed to have worn for over 12 years? Obviously you are having trouble looking it up. YOU claimed you could provide U.S. law that said the USMC works directly for the President. YOU said that and have yet to provide anything more than drivil about your lack of knoledge regarding the USMC. Obviously you looked it up somewhere saw that The Marine Corps doesn't get it's own Secratary so in your ignorance, you thought they get to bypass the Joint Chiefs all together. If that is what they teach you at Marine Basic Training, then I take back any statment I said about Marine Basic Training being even remotely challenging because apparently ALL it entails is physical. There is no MC or Military history, no learning your chain of command...nothing but physical challenges. Since you can't find it here it is; http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10/usc_sec_10_00000155----000-.html

[Yggdrasil]

Do you seriously think that the Marines are unique to be able to be deployed in 24 hours? All services have alert units that are standing by to support whatever contingencies may arise, and I know that I've been deployed to a country that not even our Wing Commander had heard of with less than 12 hours notice. Twelve hours later our aircraft were in place and ready for combat - ready to cover the Marines as they entered the theater.
Mike

Mike, Warbyrd is correct - but the only part he leaves out is the fact that BOTH the Navy and Marine Corps have this capability.

You may have deployed within 12 hours notice, but more than likely, it was to a situation that was going on long before you got there, and there was already a base established for you to operate out of.

In order for the Army and Air Force to deploy to a certain area, they need a base established in a nearby friendly country - sometimes, they won't agree to it, sometimes it takes a while to negotiate. To get around this, the Navy brings US territory (i.e., our ships) to the enemy. That's how we get Marines to the fight, and that's how we get Navy aircraft to the fight. The Army and Air Force cannot get there until a base is established.

I will say this, though - the Marine Corps is NOT subordinate to the Navy. The Navy and Marine Corps are two services that report to the same secretary - kind of like to captains that report two the same commodore.

[Variable Wind]

Mike, Warbyrd is correct - but the only part he leaves out is the fact that BOTH the Navy and Marine Corps have this capability.

You may have deployed within 12 hours notice, but more than likely, it was to a situation that was going on long before you got there, and there was already a base established for you to operate out of.

In order for the Army and Air Force to deploy to a certain area, they need a base established in a nearby friendly country - sometimes, they won't agree to it, sometimes it takes a while to negotiate. To get around this, the Navy brings US territory (i.e., our ships) to the enemy. That's how we get Marines to the fight, and that's how we get Navy aircraft to the fight. The Army and Air Force cannot get there until a base is established.

I will say this, though - the Marine Corps is NOT subordinate to the Navy. The Navy and Marine Corps are two services that report to the same secretary - kind of like to captains that report to the same commodore.

Actually thats incorrect, because the Navy has sent the Army the same way that they have sent Marines in, and Warbyrd said that the President needed permission to send the other branches...that is false.

I will say that the NORM is that the Marines get sent in first and I think for good reason. When my unit deployed in the Al Anbar, the Airforce shipped us there, we served under a Marine Wing and the Navy guys shipped us (well our gear anyway) home.

[ringjamesa]

He also said that the USMC works DIRECTLY for the president. NO ONE that has been in any branch for 12 years and change could possibly believe that. MAYBE someone that was never in the military that looked up the JCS and only looked at who the Secs were might think that but certianly not anyone that actually served for 12 years (unless like 11.5 of those were spent in prison).

[Yggdrasil]

Actually thats incorrect, because the Navy has sent the Army the same way that they have sent Marines in, and Warbyrd said that the President needed permission to send the other branches...that is false.

I'm aware of this. I believe that Soldiers from the 10th Mountain division were the first to land on Haiti from the USS Eisenhower in 1994. However, because of the terrain of the isle of Hispanola, the mission required the skills of Soldiers from the 10th Mountain division that Marines lacked. However, I seriously doubt that there will be many times where typical black beret-wearing Soldiers will be involved in such landings, as Soldiers aren't typcially trained for amphibious warfare.

[ringjamesa]

Mike, Warbyrd is correct - but the only part he leaves out is the fact that BOTH the Navy and Marine Corps have this capability.
You may have deployed within 12 hours notice, but more than likely, it was to a situation that was going on long before you got there, and there was already a base established for you to operate out of.
In order for the Army and Air Force to deploy to a certain area, they need a base established in a nearby friendly country - sometimes, they won't agree to it, sometimes it takes a while to negotiate. To get around this, the Navy brings US territory (i.e., our ships) to the enemy. That's how we get Marines to the fight, and that's how we get Navy aircraft to the fight. The Army and Air Force cannot get there until a base is established.
I will say this, though - the Marine Corps is NOT subordinate to the Navy. The Navy and Marine Corps are two services that report to the same secretary - kind of like to captains that report two the same commodore.

Really? So according to you, the Department of the Navy plays by different rules than everyone else? So the Navy and the USMC are used haphazardly and without any forethought while the Army and Air Force operations are planned out? Surely you don't believe that? Any branch has the capability to rapidly deploy forces. Tell me, if you wanted a building in Moscow destroyed NOW would you deploy a carrier from Norfolk (or wherever they are stateside) or would you just send a few jets from Turkey or Germany? Do you honestly think that in order to scramble those jets, once they get the order they sit around and wait for Congressional approval any more than the Navy or the USMC waits for Congressional approval to carry out a lawful order? C'mon Drasil! Use your head!! To say that any branch has these mysterious powers and are authorized to do what the other branches can't is just self serving tripe.

[ringjamesa]

I'm aware of this. I believe that Soldiers from the 10th Mountain division were the first to land on Haiti from the USS Eisenhower in 1994. However, because of the terrain of the isle of Hispanola, the mission required the skills of Soldiers from the 10th Mountain division that Marines lacked. However, I seriously doubt that there will be many times where typical black beret-wearing Soldiers will be involved in such landings, as Soldiers aren't typcially trained for amphibious warfare.

That wasn't the issue. No one is arguing that the Navy and the USMC don't do most amphibious landings. So now you are saying that the Department of the Army can rapidly deploy and the Department of the Navy can rapidly deploy but not the Department of the Air Force and that the Navy does it more often? Or just that the Navy does the amphibious landings more often? Warbyrd said that the USMC works directly for the president as some sort of super secret 911 force. You said that only the USMC and the USN have rapid response forces. We are just pointing out that you are both wrong.

[Yggdrasil]

Really? So according to you, the Department of the Navy plays by different rules than everyone else? So the Navy and the USMC are used haphazardly and without any forethought while the Army and Air Force operations are planned out? Surely you don't believe that?

I should have clarified myself better when agreeing with Warbyrd. That the part that I'm agreeing with was more or less the "911" aspect of what he was saying. But I'm not in agreement that different services play play by "different rules."


Any branch has the capability to rapidly deploy forces. Tell me, if you wanted a building in Moscow destroyed NOW would you deploy a carrier from Norfolk (or wherever they are stateside) or would you just send a few jets from Turkey or Germany?

You're not disagreeing with me by saying this - in fact, you're reiterating a point that I made earlier. In the case of Russia, we already have bases established in that area so that amphibious landings (at least as an initial operation) aren't necessary. If we were to go to war with North Korea, I'm pretty sure that the Army and Air Force would be first on the scene because of the bases we have in South Korea.

BUT, in all other cases, where we don't have a base, Navy ships will deploy over there to "become" that base from which Naval aircraft and Marines can deploy. Afterall, if, for example, we went to war against Uraguay - and then get told by Argentina and Brazil to "f*ck off" after asking them to let us set up a base in their countries (or wait until the formalities of setting up those bases are worked out), how do you think we're going to get things started?

[MKopack]

That wasn't the issue. No one is arguing that the Navy and the USMC don't do most amphibious landings. So now you are saying that the Department of the Army can rapidly deploy and the Department of the Navy can rapidly deploy but not the Department of the Air Force and that the Navy does it more often? Or just that the Navy does the amphibious landings more often? Warbyrd said that the USMC works directly for the president as some sort of super secret 911 force. You said that only the USMC and the USN have rapid response forces. We are just pointing out that you are both wrong.

I'd agree and would be willing to say that USAF C-17's could put a large portion of the 82nd Airborne just about anywhere they needed to be, with their equipment, and ready for, or in combat - base or no base - within a very short timeframe. Those of us who live near Fayetteville, NC, got a pretty clear view of how it is done during evening excercises a couple of weeks ago.


You may have deployed within 12 hours notice, but more than likely, it was to a situation that was going on long before you got there, and there was already a base established for you to operate out of.

In order for the Army and Air Force to deploy to a certain area, they need a base established in a nearby friendly country - sometimes, they won't agree to it, sometimes it takes a while to negotiate. To get around this, the Navy brings US territory (i.e., our ships) to the enemy. That's how we get Marines to the fight, and that's how we get Navy aircraft to the fight. The Army and Air Force cannot get there until a base is established.

Sometimes you are correct, but in the instance that I am familiar with, the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait in 1990, we deployed over 3,000 miles and were flying combat air patrols from a bare base in a country that had never seen a US deployment in what I understand was roughly 48 hours of securing basing rights. US Air Force assets arrived in the theater (Langley based F-15's) simultaneously as the Navy's USS Eisenhower and USS Independence with the amphibious task force following later.

Mike

[ringjamesa]

YggDrasil. You are fighting the wrong battle here. We are all pretty much in agreement with each other EXCEPT with WarByrd-he claims that the USMC works directly for the President and is the ONLY component that can be deployed without an act of Congress. He is wong on all counts. The USMC falls under the DoD by way of the Department of the Navy and in fact is further removed from working "directly for the President" than the Army, Navy, or the Air Force since the USMC doens't have it's own Secratary (splitting hairs I know but just empahsizing the fallacy of his statement). Correct me if I am wrong but member of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines ALL deployed in the current conflicts prior to Congressional Authorization. No one with the exception of yourself said anything about the percentage of amphibious assaults-I would agree they are primarily and almost exclusively the perview of the Department of the Navy. I could also argue that Airborne Assault is almost exclusively the purview of the Department of the Army and the Department of the Air Force. I could say that strategic bombing is almost exclusively the purview of the Department of the Air Force. Does that mean that we are the "911 force" and the Department of the Navy just sits on their asses? Nope. Just means we do different things.

[Warbyrd13]

The US Marines is also the only branch that works directly for the US President. (The others work for Congress). Therefore, the US Marines can be deployed within 24 hours anywhere around the world. When i looked this up I was looking for something differant.

I was wrong on the above staement. I don't mind being corrected but honestly some people need to relax a little bit. So after doing proper research here is something better that we all can agrea on.

This is the better stement I should have used no half-assing looking for things on differant websites.

The United States Marine Corps serves as an amphibious force-in-readiness. As outlined in 10 U.S.C. § 5063, and originally introduced under the National Security Act of 1947, it has three primary areas of responsibility:
• "The seizure or defense of advanced naval bases and other land operations to support naval campaigns;
• the development of tactics, technique, and equipment used by amphibious landing forces; and
• such other duties as the President may direct."
This last clause, while seemingly redundant given the President's position as Commander-in-Chief, is a codification of the expeditionary duties of the Marine Corps. It derives from similar language in the Congressional Acts "For the Better Organization of the Marine Corps" of 1834, and "Establishing and Organizing a Marine Corps" of 1798. In 1951, the House of Representatives' Armed Services Committee called the clause "one of the most important statutory—and traditional—functions of the Marine Corps." It noted that the Corps has more often than not performed actions of a non-naval nature, including its famous actions in the War of 1812, at Tripoli, Chapultepec, numerous counter-insurgency and occupational duties (such as those in Central America), World War I, and the Korean War. While these actions are not accurately described as support of naval campaigns nor as amphibious warfare, their common thread is that they are of an expeditionary nature, using the mobility of the Navy to provide timely intervention in foreign affairs on behalf of American interests.

In addition to its primary duties, the Marine Corps has missions in direct support of the White House and the State Department. The Marine Band, dubbed the "President's Own" by Thomas Jefferson, provides music for state functions at the White House. Marines guard presidential retreats, including Camp David,[14] and the Marines of the Executive Flight Detachment of HMX-1 provide helicopter transport to the President and Vice President, using the call signs "Marine One" and "Marine Two" respectively. By authority of the 1946 Foreign Service act, the Marine security guards of the Marine Embassy Security Command provide security for American embassies, legations, and consulates at over 140 posts worldwide.

And you will learn this in boot Camp.

There are two parallel chains of command within the Marine Corps. Depending on the issue or task, they will either fall under the Service Chain or the Operational Chain of Command.
The Service Chain of Command is used for things that are specifically inherent to the Marine Corps. Examples would include anything from purchasing new tanks to establishing rules for the use of tuition assistance. Theses topics, whether large or small, only affect the Marine Corps. The top portion of the service chain is listed below:
Service Chain of Command
- President
- Secretary of Defense
- Secretary of the Navy
- Commandant of the Marine Corps

The Operational Chain of Command is used to direct forces in conjunction with operational or functional missions. Often times this involves other services outside the Marine Corps. The Operational Chain of command break down is listed below:
Operational Chain of Command
- President
- Secretary of Defense
- Commanders of Combatant commands

REFERENCES
MCRP 5-12D, Organization of Marine Corps Forces: Ch 1, 2
MCDP 1-0 Marine Corps Operations, Ch 3: Pgs 3-10 through 3-20
U.S. Marine Corps Concepts and Programs 2007: Appendix A

Now when it comes a little history:

At the end of the American Revolution, both the Continental Navy and Continental Marines were disbanded in April 1783. Although individual Marines stayed on for the few American naval vessels left, the last Continental Marine was discharged in September 1783. The institution itself would not be resurrected until 1798. In that year, in preparation for the Naval War with France, Congress created the United States Navy and Marine Corps as separate branches of service.

or this

It was not until 1952 that the Commdant was given an equal voice in the Joint Chiefs of Staff by the Dougal-Masnfield Bill

This little fact cracks me up

The Marine Corps is the smallest branch in the DOD. Coast guard dose not count because they are now under Homeland security orginaly if I rember correctly they were under the Dept of Transportation. I will have to look that up. But maybe some one here will rember why the coast guard is used this way. I know it has to deal with a certain law but I just can't rember what it details.

I made a dumb statemnt without researching properly an cuased one hell of a flame war but no worries. If i screw up, I just adjust learn my lesson n go on. So with a little more research I should have reeducate myself again on what I shaould have rembered instead of firing off my mouth like a dumb boot.

[Variable Wind]

Such is life on the MTF...Drink water and drive on.

[Your_Name_Here]

Such is life on the MTF...Drink water and drive on.

...or is it the OTHER way around???:confused: :D

[Shrike]

...or is it the OTHER way around???:confused: :D

Drink on and drive water?

[Variable Wind]

...or is it the OTHER way around???:confused: :D

Only if its alcohol.

[Your_Name_Here]

Drink on and drive water?

Well...if I must--I'll drink to that!;)

BTW, ever notice the membership ranks having risen in the Church of HHS? Will I get a PFW about my bell ringing?:D :tongue: :D

And, as a nod to the topic: "Tough" is relative. All depending upon whatever aspect, and life experience of a given individual. This has been pointed out by others in previous posts. Anyone caught blowing too hard about who's tougher, is simply trying to make themselves feel better about a choice they may be having second thoughts about.

[Shrike]

Well...if I must--I'll drink to that!;)

BTW, ever notice the membership ranks having risen in the Church of HHS? Will I get a PFW about my bell ringing?:D :tongue: :D
I should have thought about instituting a tithe. Oh well, the Co'HHS will continue to rely on the generosity of the followers to buy quality whiskeys OOPS I mean fill its charity coffers.


And, as a nod to the topic: "Tough" is relative. All depending upon whatever aspect, and life experience of a given individual. This has been pointed out by others in previous posts. Anyone caught blowing too hard about who's tougher, is simply trying to make themselves feel better about a choice they may be having second thoughts about.

Yep. I've noticed that within individual services, too. Those that seem to extol their jobs the loudest always seem to be in...how shall I say?...more "mundane" jobs.

[Variable Wind]

Yep. I've noticed that within individual services, too. Those that seem to extol their jobs the loudest always seem to be in...how shall I say?...more "mundane" jobs.

lol...3rd Platoon "Rat Bastards" in basic had a DS who said everytime they asked him his MOS he said "Trained Killer"

Admin.

[ringjamesa]

This little fact cracks me up
The Marine Corps is the smallest branch in the DOD. Coast guard dose not count because they are now under Homeland security orginaly if I rember correctly they were under the Dept of Transportation. I will have to look that up. But maybe some one here will rember why the coast guard is used this way. I know it has to deal with a certain law but I just can't rember what it details.


Alright. You admitted you were wrong so I won't beat up on you anymore...

: -)

But, if you really want to know the answer to the question above, check this out;
http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1560681
It is old but the facts are no less true...

[ringjamesa]

Correction. You can get into the Army with a significantly lower score than that> I KNOW at least as low as an 18...

[Yggdrasil]

Correction. You can get into the Army with a significantly lower score than that> I KNOW at least as low as an 18...

Wait a sec - doesn't DoD set the minimum for all services at 19? At least I thought that was the case...