Captain accused of berating academy guards

[Unregistered]

I had an ensign do the same thing to me back in 1978. Only he used his finger to poke me in the chest ! There were witnesses. He then poked me in the face ! I decked him !!!!! He pressed charges. And lost his commmision..... Officers don't have all the power !!!!! Bravo-Zulu...... to the Sailors

what happened to you? I hope you were punished crybaby

[Unregistered]

I could not agree more. We are talking about a commanding officer, not a company commander in boot camp. This happened in front of civilians. I would think a C.O. would be well versed in what bad P.R. can do to the military right now. Also, can we just get rid of the dungarees. If any uniform looks so bad you cannot wear it at the front gate then it should not be a question. I know they are working on that but lets speed it up and trash those things once and for all.

speaking of bad publicity the gurad started it
it could have and should have been handled internally and not through the newspaper
the person that wrote the article should be ashamed to have created this and her wording is very one sided
she should know better, to wait for all the facts to be in and not have caused the stir she has

[Unregistered]

There is NO ACCEPTABLE time to berate or humiliate anyone..just because he is a Captain, it does NOT give him the right to do that to anyone. Hence, that is why the Captain is in so much HOT WATER!!!!!!

you have to be kidding
no time to do this and berate is exaggeratring
how long was he in the head?

[Unregistered]

have you seen how West Point is Guarded?
you think the Guards are for show, you have a lot to learn


There is a US Mint production facility on West Point. Nothing remotely close to that here!

[TJMAC77SP]

There is a US Mint production facility on West Point. Nothing remotely close to that here!

There is a US Mint facility IN the town of West Point, NY and near (but not on the grounds of) the US Military Academy at West Point. One has nothing to do with the other.

And neither of these has anything to do with the topic of this thread

26 pages and counting.................................

[Unregistered]

There is a US Mint facility IN the town of West Point, NY and near (but not on the grounds of) the US Military Academy at West Point. One has nothing to do with the other.

And neither of these has anything to do with the topic of this thread

26 pages and counting.................................

You got that right! By the way, who else thinks the CO is posting on here more? The last couple of pages sure look like it.

[Unregistered]

what happened to you? I hope you were punished crybaby

Somebody has a problem!!! Why would you call the ensign a crybaby? If you are on person's side who got in trouble, than what does that say about you? Sick....

[Unregistered]

There is a US Mint facility IN the town of West Point, NY and near (but not on the grounds of) the US Military Academy at West Point. ..


Hmmm... Well I disagree! It is immediately adjacent to the West Point golf course and base housing.
http://cryptome.org/west-point/west-point.htm You will notice that there are a number of military vehicles parked in the area immediately to the left of the first close up attached photo.

Why is this important? This gives WP a reason to hold a more rigid security posture. Nothing other than class room / educational facilities are located at the USNA. There is not a single classified office or shop on Academy grounds. It is simply a university, nothing more!

While some cry out on behalf of the CO standing up for security, what was the CO securing that necessitated his draconian actions? Was someone going to steal a library book, take an extra apple from the galley or paint "Go Army, Beat Navy" graphitti on the bricks in "T" court? Eitherway, his actions were out of line.

[Unregistered]

who else thinks the CO is posting on here more?

If he isn't then we have an Academy award winning actor posting on his behalf... Then again, the Captain has been "acting" as a leader and commander. And he is an Academy grad.

Like all actors trying to pretend he is something that he is not, a trained eye is able to detect what is real and what is fake. This Captain is a fake when it comes to being a leader and commander.

[TJMAC77SP]

Hmmm... Well I disagree! It is immediately adjacent to the West Point golf course and base housing.
http://cryptome.org/west-point/west-point.htm You will notice that there are a number of military vehicles parked in the area immediately to the left of the first close up attached photo.

Why is this important? This gives WP a reason to hold a more rigid security posture. Nothing other than class room / educational facilities are located at the USNA. There is not a single classified office or shop on Academy grounds. It is simply a university, nothing more!

While some cry out on behalf of the CO standing up for security, what was the CO securing that necessitated his draconian actions? Was someone going to steal a library book, take an extra apple from the galley or paint "Go Army, Beat Navy" graphitti on the bricks in "T" court? Eitherway, his actions were out of line.


You can disagree all you want. The security posture of West Point is essentially the same as that of the Naval Academy. Being adjacent to the USMA is irrelevant. There are no shock troops standing around waiting to defend the Mint facility. One air base I was once stationed at had a hog farm adjacent to it. However, the base was not, in any way, in the pork production industry.

My second point is still valid…………not one shred of this has a G-D thing to do with the topic of this thread.

[Unregistered]

Us poor dumb enlisted, we can not do anything right, we are just a bunch of ignorant , sorry, S.O.B.'s who have lost every war. Thank heavens for the Officer corps that keeps the world rotating about it's axis. The sentry should have punched the perpetrators lights out, instant anger managament therapy.

[Unregistered]

There is not a single classified office or shop on Academy grounds. It is simply a university, nothing more!



I can say, without a doubt, that there are at least three classified offices on the grounds of USNA.


R/
-One of the divisional classified materials security managers.

[Unregistered]

Just for a note about this captain, when the sentry was relieved from his post after his run in with the Colonel who referred to him as "stupid," the captain had a metting with the sentry as well as superior brass from Naval District Washington (I suppose due to the ongoing investigation?). The officers and master chiefs sided with the sentry, claiming the Captains actions were unjust and the sentry was sent back to the gates immediately.

Just please, someone explain to me how there can be a 100% I.D. check in progress as per order of the captain, but when a fellow O-6 and his family has their I.D.s checked, the sentry is in the wrong? He's not, plain and simple. If he was, he'd still be off the gates.

Even at the Naval Academy, rules are in effect for everyone. Even grads.

[Unregistered]

Us poor dumb enlisted, we can not do anything right, we are just a bunch of ignorant , sorry, S.O.B.'s who have lost every war. Thank heavens for the Officer corps that keeps the world rotating about it's axis. The sentry should have punched the perpetrators lights out, instant anger managament therapy.
when will you begin therapy? you need it very badly
and have serious issues with those in command
never swear at anybody never loose your cool? doubt it

[Unregistered]

There is a US Mint production facility on West Point. Nothing remotely close to that here!

you consider the Histroy and the records and the MIdshipman being trained as future officers
nothing

you cannot be serious, if you think some terroirst would not love to destroy this
and all that can be done must be done to protect it

[Unregistered]

Somebody has a problem!!! Why would you call the ensign a crybaby? If you are on person's side who got in trouble, than what does that say about you? Sick....

speaking for yourself
this should have been handled interanlly and not in the media

[Unregistered]

He is not going to be transferred...wake and smell the coffee!! The only person that is going to be transferred or forced to retire is the CO!!

that would be a disgace to what was and is being done with this
this should have been handled internally
nobody will want those people who complain under them
they will not be welcome and should be ttransferred to wear the action is

[Unregistered]

I gotta agree with that, since when did it become a crime to go pee-pee when the urge strikes you?

when you are placed in an important position and are charged with security
the guard did not notify anybody in authority that he was doing this
how long does it ake to pee and how long was he away from his post
you people backing the guard seem to avoid this time frame
you people resent somebody who is on to your goofing on the job and want him replaced

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE=Unregistered;60211]The sailors were in the right, the officer is guilty of conduct unbecoming, and if you are an old salt, you should have learned to spell during your time in the Navy.[/QUOTe
the sailors were wrong were tyou there?
this should have been handled internally and not blabbed to the public which makes the sailors look bad for doing this why did they do this? must havea motive or poor advice

and the rest of you joining in should be ashamed of yourselves
nothing better to do with your time, go to work

[Unregistered]

There is a US Mint facility IN the town of West Point, NY and near (but not on the grounds of) the US Military Academy at West Point. One has nothing to do with the other.

And neither of these has anything to do with the topic of this thread

26 pages and counting.................................

yes it does the guards at West Point take their jobs seriously and it seems ome at Anaapolis do not

[Unregistered]

Don't even try to compare this to the President walking into the White House without an ID! I am quite sure the President wouldn't have ripped someone's head off for asking for their ID, which is stated right on the sign when you drive up "100% ID CHECK"!!!!!!!!!! That means EVERYONE!!!! No excuses...
the super in some ways was similar to the president
he was a know face seen every day and should be recognized. If for some reason he forgot his ID
call a superior to handle it Internally not take it upon your self. again signs of dislike for the Brass
this should and must be stopped. If you don't like taking orders from above, you have a problem

[Unregistered]

This incident will affect his military and work record.......as someone said many postings ago, this is nothing new. He's just been lucky enough to "know people" in the right places to get him jobs. I don't see that happening again. Not now that is out in the open for the whole world to see.
you can't be serious, what he did would have been ignored if it were 2 enlisdted men
are you judge and jury? are you perfect?

[Unregistered]

That had NOTHING to do with anyone disliking the Supt....he caused what happened...by HIS actions and acting out inappropriately.
take off the blinders suppose you were the super?

[Unregistered]

I live in Annapolis and am a spouse of Naval personnel , and all those in Annapolis are rude and unbecoming to everyone not just those below them in rank. They have no class and are prejudiced beasts. This man needs to be demoted. This shows what is Wrong with the military. No one wants to admit what they have done is wrong.
you live and work in Annapolis, you should be happy they are there or you wouldn't have ajob and probably couldn't afford to live there either
without them spending monies there where would you be
don't kick a gift horse in the mouth

[Unregistered]

Outside the provocation of the events at the gate, I believe nothing that happened warranted the unprofessional conduct of Capt. Fierro. It is a great example of his typical method of dealing with adversity. I also served under him on the USS Kinkaid (DD-965). I have been witness to several outburts by him including: when he proceeded to smash the phone receiver into three different pieces,after receiving a report from the bridge; when he tore a phone out of the hands of the OOD, ripped the phone base off the mounts, and threw all of the pieces over the bridge wing into the ocean; during a Captain's Mast when he engaged a seamen in a "staring contest" which went on for three hours (with all of the witnesses standing by); and as he generally made a life a living hell for his officers and crew. If you don't believe me, check the records during 2000 in which 25+ crew members left the ship on drug charges and an additional 25+ crew members reported to Balboa Hospital for mental heath treatment (these included seamean, senior chiefs, and officers). Ask anyone who served in 3rd Fleet between 2000-2001 and you will get a better flavor of Fierro's history.
looks to me like there were a bunch of bad apples on the ship that neede to be shaped up
this is not a game you are playing it is serious business

[Unregistered]

In the spirit of the upcoming Turkey Day... Put a fork in him, he's done! Well, maybe not being that he is a graduate of the almighty USNA and they tend to protect their own. But anywhere else, he'd be done!
you have that wrong in the private sector the guard would be done and have no good reccomendations for a future employer

[Unregistered]

Okay, for you who asking, the shifts vary and the sentry was NOT eating breakfast, he was relieving himself in the bathroom! So, don't you think the CO feels a little stupid? Banging on the door to the bathroom, accusing the sentry of eating? I know because I happen to work there. I am sure there are many others who work there who can back this up.

how do you know this were you witness to it?

[Unregistered]

Are you living under a rock?? The Captain acted nutier than a fruitcake and corrected noone. The very thing he was complaining about, he caused!!! It was not a big deal, what a big deal is how he made a complete a## of himself - because now everyone in the whole USA knows about him and his tirades!! I heard about this from someone out of the country.

you must live under a rock if this upset you so much what would you do in a real situation
gaurino handled the whole thing from the pee to reporting it very badly and seems he was trying to cover his A seems he was not doing his job the day before either and did not want to be written up so he did this along with some friends

[Unregistered]

The sentry hasn't been in any trouble...why must you assume the worst?
how do you know? because they con't blab about it doesn't mean it

[Unregistered]

that would be a disgace to what was and is being done with this
this should have been handled internally
nobody will want those people who complain under them
they will not be welcome and should be ttransferred to wear the action is

I would proudly keep the sentry at my command..

[Unregistered]

when you are placed in an important position and are charged with security
the guard did not notify anybody in authority that he was doing this
how long does it ake to pee and how long was he away from his post
you people backing the guard seem to avoid this time frame
you people resent somebody who is on to your goofing on the job and want him replaced

The guards do NOT have to call someone in authority before using the restroom...so if you don't know much about the gates and sentries, you can't reallly comment on this.

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE=Unregistered;60211]The sailors were in the right, the officer is guilty of conduct unbecoming, and if you are an old salt, you should have learned to spell during your time in the Navy.[/QUOTe
the sailors were wrong were tyou there?
this should have been handled internally and not blabbed to the public which makes the sailors look bad for doing this why did they do this? must havea motive or poor advice

and the rest of you joining in should be ashamed of yourselves
nothing better to do with your time, go to work

Why don't you take your own advice...and go to work....

[Unregistered]

yes it does the guards at West Point take their jobs seriously and it seems ome at Anaapolis do not

Get off the West Point thing...totally not related...

[Unregistered]

the super in some ways was similar to the president
he was a know face seen every day and should be recognized. If for some reason he forgot his ID
call a superior to handle it Internally not take it upon your self. again signs of dislike for the Brass
this should and must be stopped. If you don't like taking orders from above, you have a problem

The Supt who got in trouble handled it inappropriately...the SUPT brought attention to himself and caused it to be ALL OVER the media and in every newspaper in print, not the Marine! Duh! Think about it.... If you act crazy, you are crazy...regardless of your position of authority. I seriously doubt President Bush would be "bashing" a guard who asked for his ID. He does not think he is "above the law". Unlike this idiot CO....

[Unregistered]

the super in some ways was similar to the president
he was a know face seen every day and should be recognized. If for some reason he forgot his ID
call a superior to handle it Internally not take it upon your self. again signs of dislike for the Brass
this should and must be stopped. If you don't like taking orders from above, you have a problem

Lets get one thing perfectly clear here.....just because there are people who believe and know that the sentry was not in the wrong, it does not mean they "dislike the Brass". For you who keeps throwing it in everyone's face, it just goes to show you are trying to use that to detract from the real issue here...that the CO was in the WRONG and that is why he's in trouble. The end of the story.

[Unregistered]

you live and work in Annapolis, you should be happy they are there or you wouldn't have ajob and probably couldn't afford to live there either
without them spending monies there where would you be
don't kick a gift horse in the mouth

People who are in Annapolis and HAVE BEEN in Annapolis will still be here when those in the military are gone....the military doesn't make it affordable to live here. People living here can afford to live here.....alot of them have always lived here. the money and the military make no difference on how affordable it is or not. The housing market dictates that and it is certainly not related to the military.

[Unregistered]

looks to me like there were a bunch of bad apples on the ship that neede to be shaped up
this is not a game you are playing it is serious business

Looks to me that the CO is posting again!

[Unregistered]

you must live under a rock if this upset you so much what would you do in a real situation
gaurino handled the whole thing from the pee to reporting it very badly and seems he was trying to cover his A seems he was not doing his job the day before either and did not want to be written up so he did this along with some friends

No, he only exposed the problem that has been going on with this CO who is a loose cannon and if something is not done, he is going to go off and probably end up hurting innocent people or himself.

[Unregistered]

that would be a disgace to what was and is being done with this
this should have been handled internally
nobody will want those people who complain under them
they will not be welcome and should be ttransferred to wear the action is

That you would even hint at such an awful thing as to send someone into battle simply because you don't like something they did is so unthinkable there are no words for it. How could you - whoever you are!!!!! - even make a statement like that? So that's what it is all whistle blowers should be sent to "the front" as a sincere thank you for calling to attention a problem. Where I a parent of one of those young soldiers you wish that kind of action upon I'd hunt you down to be very sure. You should be ashamed of that comment! NOW!!! Let us all get back to the REAL TOPIC of discussion and that is the Captain and his inability to control himself when dealing with a situation. In the end the only one who'll be wishing he'd done things differently will be Captain Fierro. And even then, I would never ever - even verbally - send even the good Captain to "the front".

[Unregistered]

Looks to me that the CO is posting again!

Amen, or at least his proxy!

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

[QUOTE=Unregistered;60211]The sailors were in the right, the officer is guilty of conduct unbecoming, and if you are an old salt, you should have learned to spell during your time in the Navy.[/QUOTe
the sailors were wrong were tyou there?
this should have been handled internally and not blabbed to the public which makes the sailors look bad for doing this why did they do this? must havea motive or poor advicePeople who cannot spell, punctuate, capitalize, type, use HTML, or construct a gramatically correct sentence probably ought not criticize the spelling, punctuation, capitalization, typing, HTML use, or gramatical construction of posts made by other people.

and the rest of you joining in should be ashamed of yourselves
nothing better to do with your time, go to workFYI, I am at work. What work I am doing is none of your concern.

[Unregistered]

What? Someone actually wants to back up this Captain who is obviously got some serious issues going on. Good for the sailors for standing up to him. Noone deserves to be treated like that, not even a dog. He obviously has a very big problem and needs a psychiatric evaluation.
seems like you do also were you there? did you witness this or are you a friend of the people involved and if you think this so called conduct is so bad you have a problem with life
this should have been handled internally, not by blabbing to the newspaper
seems like they were trying to coversomething they may have done wrong and turning the blame around
drawing attention to the Captain and taking it away from them are you civilian or Military ?

[Unregistered]

So he was in trouble in the past for terrorizing his crew on the Kinkaid and received a slap on the wrist? So much for Navy Core Values. No doubt everyone in his current comand is terrified of him as well. What a coward! It's a shame the gate sentry didn't give him a dose of pepper spray!
terrorizing? or insisting the jobs be done correctlly that is not a coward
that is a good Leader
what do you consider terror?
there is a difference If you are afraid to do something wrong because it will anger Your parents or bosses
you don't do it

[Unregistered]

It sounds like from your reply that you have Guarino and FIerro mixed up.

I don't see any comments from Fierro in the article nor should there have been any from Gaurino
and this is all his word and the word of his friends

Gaurino left his post and was reprimanded for it

[Unregistered]

the bottom line is. the captain should had gotten on the person that sent the sailor out there w/o a uniform and talk to that person in a military manner. teach our kids in a military manner and not like they on the street. would you like somebody to cuss you out? treat people the same way you want to be treated. nobody wants to give RESPECT!!!!!!! people do make mistakes and forget where they are at but how are they gonna take care of this situation. i hope they don't let it go because other officer think they can get away with it. rab

these people are not kids and should know the seriousness of their positions
I have been cussed out many times in my lifetime and it has been a very long one
It does not bother me or upset me
you let it go

[Unregistered]

He did NOT leave his post, he was simply using the restroom which is provided for his use in the gate house; as it is in all the gate houses.
how do you figure he did not leave his post
he was in the Head with the door closed and for how long?
nobody says you cannot use it but you need to notify somebody to cover you if this is a neccessity

[Unregistered]

The civilian employees you referenced work for the NAVAL ACADEMY and the Superintendent of the Naval Academy, not the CO of NSA Annapolis. And who are you to say these employees need to get back to "not doing their jobs"? Give me a break.

don't think these people should work for the Academy, the set a bad example

[Unregistered]

Regardless if the Marine recognized the Supe or not; EVERYONE passing through the gates is REQUIRED to provide proper ID. I think it's time the brass realizes they aren't the rockstars they think they are!
I guess you never got stopped by a Police officer and asked to produce your drivers licesnes and for some reason you forgot it, they would either give you a warning and a time and place to produce it or give you a ticket and time and place to produce it not pepperspray you or arrest you or confine you

[Unregistered]

I don't feel sorry for the soldier, I feel sorry for you backing up a crazy, out of control Captain. That is disturbing. Rank means nothing when one acts like a madman who deserves to be holed up in a padded room.

are you in the Milittary or a psychiatrist, if not shut up you really exaggerate
cursing is not acting like a madman, when was the last time you curses?
are you in a padded room, grow up

[Unregistered]

Does anyone else think that Captain Fierro posted at least one of these ‘unregistered’ posts?

seriously doubt it he has more important things to do and little time to do them all and he does not need to defend his actions to the
media

[Unregistered]

seems like you do also were you there? did you witness this or are you a friend of the people involved and if you think this so called conduct is so bad you have a problem with life
this should have been handled internally, not by blabbing to the newspaper
seems like they were trying to coversomething they may have done wrong and turning the blame around
drawing attention to the Captain and taking it away from them are you civilian or Military ?

Why do you keep asking everyone on here if they are civilian or miltary? It really makes no difference one way or another. It also doesn't matter who witnessed the actions in question. What matters is the history of the same thing happening all the time. That is why this was being investigated by the IG. So get over it..you obviously do not know the history or background on this troubled individual.

[Unregistered]

seems like you do also were you there? did you witness this or are you a friend of the people involved and if you think this so called conduct is so bad you have a problem with life
this should have been handled internally, not by blabbing to the newspaper
seems like they were trying to coversomething they may have done wrong and turning the blame around
drawing attention to the Captain and taking it away from them are you civilian or Military ?

Who blabbed to the newspaper?? Being that it is a military issue and there is an investigation going on, of course the military papers would have ahold of it. I seriously doubt anyone had to "blab" to them. It's their job to stay on top of the goings on in the military.

[Unregistered]

terrorizing? or insisting the jobs be done correctlly that is not a coward
that is a good Leader
what do you consider terror?
there is a difference If you are afraid to do something wrong because it will anger Your parents or bosses
you don't do it

What you said makes absolutely no sense....

[Unregistered]

I don't see any comments from Fierro in the article nor should there have been any from Gaurino
and this is all his word and the word of his friends

Gaurino left his post and was reprimanded for it

Okay....smarty pants..who reported it????? How can you blame Guarino for those who were waiting in line behind the CO and saw all of it? You can't. They did what they thought was the right thing to do.

[Unregistered]

how do you figure he did not leave his post
he was in the Head with the door closed and for how long?
nobody says you cannot use it but you need to notify somebody to cover you if this is a neccessity

You seem to know everything....how long was he in there?

[Unregistered]

don't think these people should work for the Academy, the set a bad example

Oh really? Who exactly are you referring to? I think alot of people agree that NSA Annapolis needs a new CO!

[Unregistered]

are you in the Milittary or a psychiatrist, if not shut up you really exaggerate
cursing is not acting like a madman, when was the last time you curses?
are you in a padded room, grow up

cursing does not make someone a madman, this is true, however, with this person's history, its obvious that cursing is not his major problem in life.

[Unregistered]

seriously doubt it he has more important things to do and little time to do them all and he does not need to defend his actions to the
media

Not my post but I'll comment.... you are so right, why does he need to get on here when he already has someone on here posting for him!

[Unregistered]

I guess you never got stopped by a Police officer and asked to produce your drivers licesnes and for some reason you forgot it, they would either give you a warning and a time and place to produce it or give you a ticket and time and place to produce it not pepperspray you or arrest you or confine you

Not really related to the issue at hand but factual none the less...........

I've been a civilian city police officer in a major "Navy" town. I have arrested folks for this. It's called "Driving without a License!" In some locations it is high misdemeanor punishable by up to 12 months in jail or up to a $1000 fine. And the place to prove that you have a license is before a Judge. He can then dismiss the charge but I fiqure I had already WON at that point because the violator either paid for an attorney or took time off from work to appear in court (costing either their pay or leave) or both. And I got paid OVERTIME to be in court! Ah, life is grand!

And yes, depending on the violator's demeanor they may have been sprayed before being transported to the "gray bar inn."

[Unregistered]

Who blabbed to the newspaper??

Surprisingly it has not been in the local Annapolis paper. Navy Times is the only place I have seen. And that may play in favor the Captain as the notoriety is a little less when, generally speaking, on Navy people know and not the entire local community.

[Unregistered]

don't think these people should work for the Academy, the set a bad example

Just what we need; train our future military leaders to ignore a problem or issue because if we ignore things they will just go away.

I think not! Sometimes doing the right thing is not easy or politically correct. Sometimes, principle demands that we not accept something unacceptable, even if it doesn't directly involve the one witnessing an alleged violation or unacceptable behavior.

We must police ourselves. When that doesn't work the issue needs to be brought to the authority having jurisdiction to rectify the issue!

[Unregistered]

How was the CO doing his job? I would like to know were you work and do the same to you and see if you can restrain yourself in not punching me in the face. The bathroom is ON POST at USNA so he did not leave his post. Are you saying that in your daily job, 8-10 hours you dont take a leak?? Give me a break and be realistic, you are nuts. And whose fault was it the unarmed guard was on the gate?? I dought an E5 had that kind of authority.

It's where, not were

[Unregistered]

Does anyone else think that Captain Fierro posted at least one of these ‘unregistered’ posts?

That reasoning should not be exclusive to CAPT Fierro, just a person that has some element of wisdom, experience, and belief that it's possible that not all is known about this incident.

No, I'm not CAPT Fierro.

[Unregistered]

quid pro quo

Understand what quid pro quo means...

[TJMAC77SP]

That reasoning should not be exclusive to CAPT Fierro, just a person that has some element of wisdom, experience, and belief that it's possible that not all is known about this incident.

No, I'm not CAPT Fierro.

Well, since you said so as an unregistered poster, it must be true.

32 pages and counting..............................

[Unregistered]

Surprisingly it has not been in the local Annapolis paper. Navy Times is the only place I have seen. And that may play in favor the Captain as the notoriety is a little less when, generally speaking, on Navy people know and not the entire local community.

I highly doubt whether it is in the Capital or any other newspaper is going to make a difference. The only one that matters, the military members all know about it now; and let's face it, he acted out without thinking.

[Unregistered]

At least three complaints have been filed against the commanding officer of an Annapolis Navy base after he allegedly unleashed a torrent of curses and insults at Naval Academy gate guards before speeding onto the yard without their permission on two separate mornings in late October, according to police documents and an interview with one of the guards.

Capt. Michael Fierro, commanding officer of Naval Support Activity Annapolis, is accused of berating three sentries, calling them “motherf———,” “ignorant sons of b———,” and “pieces of s—-” before driving onto academy grounds without being waved through on Oct. 21-22, according to copies of written reports of “violent behavior” made by two Navy sentries and a civilian academy employee and given to the Department of Defense Police Department in Annapolis last month. Documents containing the statements were obtained by Navy Times.

One of the sentries, Operations Specialist 2nd Class Stuart Guarino, told Navy Times that Fierro grew angry when he saw an unarmed sentry in a dungaree uniform manning the gate while Guarino used the bathroom inside the guardhouse. The other sentries wore camouflage, he said.

Guarino said Fierro jumped from his personal car, ran inside the guardhouse and banged on the bathroom door.

When Guarino emerged, he said Fierro cursed him out and accused him of “eating breakfast” instead of doing his job.

“He looked like he was so mad that he was about to cry,” Guarino said, adding that the other sailor was new to Annapolis and had been sent to the guardhouse by his command in his dungarees. He did not yet own the camouflage uniform.

Guarino said the guard in dungarees was needed at the last minute because the regular sentry had been tasked to drive an unnamed four-star admiral to Andrews Air Force Base when he finished his visit to the Naval Academy.

According to the documents, Fierro claimed to be a “friend” of that admiral.

The next morning, according to the three written statements, Fierro returned to the same gate and cursed out Guarino and a second sentry, this time with “arms flying” and “fingers jabbing to their faces,” according to a statement by the civilian Naval Academy employee who witnessed the incident while waiting to drive on academy grounds. Guarino said Fierro was angry that word had gotten out about the previous day’s incident.

Guarino said there were several cars idling behind Fierro’s while he allegedly berated the two sentries for several minutes.

“This is our commanding officer in front of some people who we are supposed to have some kind of authority over,” he said. “He was embarrassing us, degrading us. This guy has power over the next three years of my life. He can do whatever he wants.”

As CO of NSA Annapolis, Fierro oversees the academy guards.

The civilian employee, who watched the Oct. 22 incident while waiting to be waved on academy grounds, wrote that “the spit was flying from his mouth; the verbal assault was so vicious.”

“I would not scream at a dog that way,” he wrote at the end of his statement.

Fierro, a 1982 Naval Academy graduate, released a written statement to Navy Times.

“I am aware of the hotline complaint and am cooperating fully in the investigation,” Fierro wrote. “It would be inappropriate to comment further while this is being investigated.”


Article: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2007/11/navy_academy_sentry_071108w/
this article is very one sided
now lets hear something about the Captain and his wife who between them have about 48 years dedicated to the Navy who are caring people, who give their time to those less fortunate around the Holidays
I am sure if you did some research other than negative you would see what kind hearted people they really are and how much god they do. they have deicated their lives to the country and the Navy

Unless you walk in somebodies shoes you should not be so easy to put them down

How about hearing something positive?

[Unregistered]

THIS seems personal as well
no this sounds like a caring person, how would you hold up under the stress they were going thru
you are despicable to even bring her into this
has absolutely nothing to do with the article

[TJMAC77SP]

Not really related to the issue at hand but factual none the less...........

I've been a civilian city police officer in a major "Navy" town. I have arrested folks for this. It's called "Driving without a License!" In some locations it is high misdemeanor punishable by up to 12 months in jail or up to a $1000 fine. And the place to prove that you have a license is before a Judge. He can then dismiss the charge but I fiqure I had already WON at that point because the violator either paid for an attorney or took time off from work to appear in court (costing either their pay or leave) or both. And I got paid OVERTIME to be in court! Ah, life is grand!

And yes, depending on the violator's demeanor they may have been sprayed before being transported to the "gray bar inn."

Another poster who like to throw grenades.

I do agree with you that this is not related to the issue at hand but it is most definitely not factual (at least in the realm of reality)

In what city where you a police officer? The offense of not possessing your driver's license (as opposed to operating without being licensed) is a minor misdemeanor and in some states (like Massachusetts) a nonmoving violation (same as a parking ticket). Let’s look at some examples….

Alabama: $100 fine
Connecticut: $90 for first offense, $350 and 30 days for the THIRD offense
Florida: Provide fingerprint imprint to officer. Have 30 days to provide proof to clerk of court that you possess a valid license.

Hardly $1000 and a year in jail.

I wonder how long you would really have lasted as a police officer if you arrested and booked every driver who simply did not possess his/her driver’s license. You wouldn’t last long in the military and I would venture that most reputable police departments would be the same.

Now, back to our thread……….still 32 pages and counting.

[TJMAC77SP]

this article is very one sided
now lets hear something about the Captain and his wife who between them have about 48 years dedicated to the Navy who are caring people, who give their time to those less fortunate around the Holidays
I am sure if you did some research other than negative you would see what kind hearted people they really are and how much god they do. they have deicated their lives to the country and the Navy

Unless you walk in somebodies shoes you should not be so easy to put them down

How about hearing something positive?

Ok, I admit that most of my references to some of the posters on this thread actually being CAPT Fierro but after this post……come on.

Ok, given the grammar of this post I certainly hope it isn’t a US Navy Captain but what the heck does the captain’s wife, their combined years of service, or their caring for ‘less fortunate’ during the holidays have to do with his (and not his wife’s) behavior on the day in question?

[Unregistered]

Ok, I admit that most of my references to some of the posters on this thread actually being CAPT Fierro but after this post……come on.

Ok, given the grammar of this post I certainly hope it isn’t a US Navy Captain but what the heck does the captain’s wife, their combined years of service, or their caring for ‘less fortunate’ during the holidays have to do with his (and not his wife’s) behavior on the day in question?

Amen to that!!!!!

[Measure Man]

Ok, I admit that most of my references to some of the posters on this thread actually being CAPT Fierro but after this post……come on.

Ok, given the grammar of this post I certainly hope it isn’t a US Navy Captain but what the heck does the captain’s wife, their combined years of service, or their caring for ‘less fortunate’ during the holidays have to do with his (and not his wife’s) behavior on the day in question?

Not really having a dog in this particular fight...

I think it is completely appropriate for the Capt's superior to consider the totality of his career when deciding on appropriate action to be taken against him for this particular incident...be it positive or negative.

[Unregistered]

What despicable conduct, at the training campus for future Naval leaders, no less! An example need to be set. Anything less than forced immediate retirement at the next lower rank would be an injustice to the sailors he has humiliated and a disgrace to the U.S. Navy!

do you blieve the guard could walk in the Captains shoes? you are not very smart or just have blinders on

[Unregistered]

do you blieve the guard could walk in the Captains shoes? you are not very smart or just have blinders on

Okay, this is getting REALLY OLD.....is "you are not very smart" all you can say? What has that got do with the issue? nothing really.

[Unregistered]

Just what we need; train our future military leaders to ignore a problem or issue because if we ignore things they will just go away.

I think not! Sometimes doing the right thing is not easy or politically correct. Sometimes, principle demands that we not accept something unacceptable, even if it doesn't directly involve the one witnessing an alleged violation or unacceptable behavior.

We must police ourselves. When that doesn't work the issue needs to be brought to the authority having jurisdiction to rectify the issue!

you said it the right thing is not easy but principle demands that it be done and the guard did not do the right thing and again as you said alleged not proven and obiously the guards issues were brought to the Captains attention and he acted

[Unregistered]

I highly doubt whether it is in the Capital or any other newspaper is going to make a difference. The only one that matters, the military members all know about it now; and let's face it, he acted out without thinking.
this whole thing is overblown and needs to be put to rest
it is over and done and not worthy of any newspaper just gossip for enlisted to try and embarrass the Brass

[Unregistered]

Ok, I admit that most of my references to some of the posters on this thread actually being CAPT Fierro but after this post……come on.

Ok, given the grammar of this post I certainly hope it isn’t a US Navy Captain but what the heck does the captain’s wife, their combined years of service, or their caring for ‘less fortunate’ during the holidays have to do with his (and not his wife’s) behavior on the day in question?
that some people loose their temper, he is a good person and maybe he should not have cursed, if in fact if he did as said

[Unregistered]

Well let me give you all some facts about the Naval Academy or NSA Annapolis as it is now known. Let me start with I was stationed there until September of this year standing the gates. There are so many issues there and I am thinking that none of or not many of you know how things are there. Manning is an issue. Im not sure what the current is but it's not sufficient for what we are called to do. So that being said, that is part of the reason that a sentry was in Utilities instead of the required BDU's. May still be a waiting list for the BDU's as I speak but then again I left in September so don't take this as fact. Thats how it was when I was there. So from time to time things happen that are not stated in the SOP's or any other rules that we are to follow. If you are ever in the area stop by and watch the day today operations of the gate sentries.
Regardless of what your stature, position in the military ranking system, or who you may "think" you are doesn't count for that conduct at any time or place. I mean this is the Naval Academy. Is it not. This is not a Base, that is a military installation and thats it. No ships or anything like that. We are ambassadors to the public right? We were told from the time I reported to the time I left active duty our composure on the gate is reflective upon the public and we are constantly in the public eye. So for all of you idiots that think that captain is right. Practice what you preach right? Doesn't make it right either way. He is a Captain in the World's Finest Navy. He has no special rights, well i should say that he shouldn't. But for you all that have served you know that as not being factual. No matter what branch of service, enlisted or officer, our UCMJ and general orders are the same. Also we are a nation at war against terrorism. Every base or installation I have been to is 100% ID check. So for those of you siding with the forced to resign Admiral. Refer to my previous sentences. You are still in the Navy and the rules apply. I don't care if you are my dad. Show your ID. I cant tell you how many times I was spoken to about doing my job correctly, and they were trying to yell at me. So reprimand me for doing my job. You're an Idiot.
Things at NSA Annapolis do not happen the way they should and in my 10 years served I cant recall them ever happening that way. Like I said I was stationed there for 3 years. Been there, done it, and I have a lotof brown T-Shirt still. I have seen this Captain in action. Most times a decent person. But he has his times as everyone else does. But conduct on the gates, in public needs to be controlled. If you cant control it then maybe you need to rethink your position where you are at. No exceptions. Just because you are a Captain shouldn't grant you the authority to do what you want on gate but tell us we have to be this way. BS!! The CO is wrong. Thats Fact. You can't argue fact. Probably wouldn't be so bad had it been had nobody else been trying to pass through the gates. But when a civilian sees this and reports this? Come on people use your head. The is totally UNPROFESSIONAL period. If you think it is professional then you are an idiot.
Everyone there has had issues with the CO from military people being yelled at to civilian, police, fire department. Just stop by and ask them.
Why doesn't that Admiral have a personal driver like others do? Why does everyone try to make excuses for the CO. Contain yourself as professional and as courteous as you are told to do throughout your military career. No exceptions. I beg/ask all of you to go there and question people that are there working there civilian and military and ask them about what goes on there. There is a time and place for things to happen. Not on the gates. That is the first view that anyone coming from the public to the Academy will see. So seriously people use your head when reading and thinking about it. Doesn't matter who is right or wrong here really does it? What does matter is WHERE it happened and WHO was allowed to view this behavior from either person. That is the real problem here. But it takes times like this for people to see how our Navy really is. Kind of sad for me even though I am not still in. The whole thing is sad. Go there and find outthe facts. Its all there. Still the CO was wrong and totally out of line. Thats all I have to say for now.
you appear to be a vey unhappy person, you should seek some help
did you see this / were you present? or do you have an ax to grind over cuts in the civilians, fire and police
persons and are holding the Captain responsible for this
his job is not easy and in fact very difficult and as you opinted out the gate is important as to image
and this image was broken by the guard, as to the civialin being there at that time, curious was he an employee?

[Unregistered]

I don't feel sorry for the soldier, I feel sorry for you backing up a crazy, out of control Captain. That is disturbing. Rank means nothing when one acts like a madman who deserves to be holed up in a padded room.

since when is ass chewing acting like a madman ? wake up and grow up and take it
the Captain was never out of control you are not in grade school

[Unregistered]

In May I graduated from the Academy and was commissioned as an Ensign. I now await my first post Academy assignment in Pensecola and will be departing Annapolis shortly. During the months since I completed my academic program I have been assigned to various offices around The Yard. One of those temporary assignments was working under the Captain. While I found him to be demanding of perfection, which I appreciated, I found he has zero tolerance for anything else. Knowing what little I do know about our service I know perfection is often desired but sometimes impossible to achieve. Since the Captain is brutually hard on those that don't reach his level of expectation for perfection I can't help but wonder what kind of leader he really is. With all due respect to the Captain, I don't see how his actions fostered an environment whereby improvement was the primary goal. Instead, I believe the Captain failed in providing the sentry the respect needed to provide an environment where the sentry could take steps towards bettering his performance levels. Essentially, the Captain wasted an opportunity to steer a wayward ship in the right direction. Sadly, I have seen this attitude several time while at the Academy but this one is probably the most blatant. I will use the as an example of how not to lead our sailors as I move into the fleet.

want to see how you respond 25 years from now and how wll you handle things
good luck he does strive for perfection an so does USNA

[ringjamesa]

Wow! A lot of heated discussion over what seemed to be a pretty clear cut case of an officer losing his cool. I don't have any inside info or anything and the article did seem a bit one-sided but, whether or not the gate guard is or is not allowed to go the restroom, whether or not the person on duty with him was armed or wearing the proper uniform, or the service of his wife seems to have very little bearing on the topic at hand. From what I read, the Capt lost his cool and lost his cool in public. Is it the end of the world, doubt it. Is it the end of his career? Doubt that too. Was he out of line? I think so. Whatever the reasons for his outburst, it isn't really proper to do so in public. If he had an issue, he could have addressed it through this guard's supervision or if he deemed it necessary, called the young man into his office for a dressing down. He did none of those things and chose to apparently lose his cool in a public setting. He will face the backlash but I don't think it necessarily means he is a bad guy. After all, even officers have bad days.

[Unregistered]

this whole thing is overblown and needs to be put to rest
it is over and done and not worthy of any newspaper just gossip for enlisted to try and embarrass the Brass

The Captain's reaction to the event is overblown....he has himself to thank for the fine mess he has gotten himself into!

[Unregistered]

this whole thing is overblown and needs to be put to rest
it is over and done and not worthy of any newspaper just gossip for enlisted to try and embarrass the Brass

Why are you trying to badmouth the enlisted? They are what runs the military...the higher ups just think they do.

[Unregistered]

that some people loose their temper, he is a good person and maybe he should not have cursed, if in fact if he did as said

A "good" person gets in someone's face and calls them a SOB and a MF'er and a Piece of Sh#t???? A "good" person puts his fingers in someone's face and spits on them? Degrades them? belittles them?

I'd sure hate to see what your definition for a "bad" person is.............................!

[Unregistered]

you appear to be a vey unhappy person, you should seek some help
did you see this / were you present? or do you have an ax to grind over cuts in the civilians, fire and police
persons and are holding the Captain responsible for this
his job is not easy and in fact very difficult and as you opinted out the gate is important as to image
and this image was broken by the guard, as to the civialin being there at that time, curious was he an employee?

Uh..anybody reading this (and it was not me who posted the above referenced post) can tell it is from a military member... so why would they care about civilian jobs? And besides that, there hasn't been any cuts in civilian jobs there.

Who says the Fire & Police are holding him responsible? His BOSS is holding him responsible as is the Navy.

Yes, an employee witnessed it....MANY employees witnessed it..just ask anyone behind the CO's car while he was out of his car acting like a crazy maker.

[Unregistered]

since when is ass chewing acting like a madman ? wake up and grow up and take it
the Captain was never out of control you are not in grade school

an ass chewing isnt acting like a madman but he acts that way on a regular basis out of control and screaming at and spitting at and waving his fingers in peoples faces like he thinks he is better than them thats the truth of it

[Unregistered]

want to see how you respond 25 years from now and how wll you handle things
good luck he does strive for perfection an so does USNA

He strives for perfection? Hmmm..this seems like the CO posting.

[Unregistered]

want to see how you respond 25 years from now and how wll you handle things
good luck he does strive for perfection an so does USNA

There is nothing that says perfection has to come in such a package!!! There is nothing that says that in order to be perfect a person has to learn how to berate and belittle others into following direction. In fact it's been proven after many many years of experience that that kind of management is very INEFFECTIVE. Which is the very reason why managers AND military officers are being taught better and MORE EFFECTIVE ways of commanding those in their charge. What the captain violated is taught in management 101. If you kick someone they will not get up and continue to work for you. If you call what the captain did correct then I would seriously doubt your ability to command anyone. If this had been his first or even second offense in his career this would be an entirely different situation. However, there are many many people who are coming forward and have through out his career to testify to his bully tactics and poor command abilities. These are not people who were bystanders or people who happened to hear a story from someone else as to his actions. They were the victims themselves or the first hand observers - just as those who witnessed his most recent tirades at USNA. How can anyone challenge those kind of testimonies as not knowing the facts? How can anyone say that this man does not have a track record throughout his career stating his inability to control himself and command in a manner befitting his rank? Now, there are plenty of people who KNOW the facts regarding that guard post and the actions of those guards. Remember there were 3 guards there that day at the very moment the captain chose to "perform his duty" on that soldier. If those people step up and state the facts then where's the argument? There is none. The only one whose actions are in question are the captain's. It is not necessary to belittle anyone including the captain - he seems quite able to do that very well on his own. Those who choose to ignore the facts and continue to make ugly statements and accusations using flawed knowledge are as much a part of the problem as the captain himself.

[SeaHawk]

this whole thing is overblown and needs to be put to rest
it is over and done and not worthy of any newspaper just gossip for enlisted to try and embarrass the Brass

Embarrass the brass? It's very easy to see that the Captain has more than taken care of that task. As for gossip from the enlisted, this discussion includes readers and responders who are enlisted, officer ("brass"), and civilian.
Isn't this discussion for the sake of talking out the topic? Unfortunately gossip is part of it and unfortunately some of it is quite mean spirited. But it is only discussion and from both sides of the fence. It's very fortunate for Captain Fierro that it did not go into the local papers - yet. Probably won't either.

[Unregistered]

Uh..anybody reading this (and it was not me who posted the above referenced post) can tell it is from a military member... so why would they care about civilian jobs? And besides that, there hasn't been any cuts in civilian jobs there.

Who says the Fire & Police are holding him responsible? His BOSS is holding him responsible as is the Navy.

I have just spent over an hour reading this entire discussion after it was brought to my attention last night. Let me say, I am utterly amused by some postings and repulsed by others postings.

As a member of the fire dept. I can assure you that the USNA fire dept does not desire to hold the Captain responsible for anything related to the initial article. That is not for the dedicated fire professionals at the USNA to inject ourselves into.

The post regarding the lack of a fire boat is correct. We rely upon the City of Annapolis or Anne Arundel County Fire Depts for marine operations support. Unfortunately, both of the nearest units have a considerable response delay because they are not staffed full-time. Instead, a fire truck must respond to one of the two boats mooring locations and then get underway. We normally expect to experience 20 to 40 minute delays until we can get an emergency fire/rescue boat on location, depending upon which unit is available and ultimately responds because of their travel times. Having a dedicated Fire/Rescue boat at the USNA could like result in a boat being underway in 5 to 7 minutes and on scene only a few minutes later. That is less than 3 minutes to arrive at the boats location and then 2 to 3 minutes to get the personnel and the rescue equipment on board and then cut the boat loose from the dock. Being centrally located means our on the water response times would be extremely short for waters in the general vicinity of the USNA.

I do wish to correct the above poster's erronious point. In Feb 2007 the USNA Fire Dept, including our Chesapeake Beach Detachment station, did go through a staffing and capability reduction. Prior to Feb our Battalion consisted of 4 staffed engine companies, 3 at the USNA and 1 at CBD. In Feb. that number was cut in half. This resulted in the closure of the fire station at CBD and the elimination of the third USNA fire company. These cuts eliminated about 20 firefighter positions. The net effect of these reductions is the community we protect is less safe and our own safety is placed in greater risk as our resources have been cut and on-scene back up is not readily available.

It is my opinion that physical security gains at the USNA have come at the expense of the other end of the Public Safety spectrum, the fire and emergency medical services. It would be my wish that we could return to the time when we were once a full service fire department with adequate staffing resources to function independently instead of heavily relying upon the neighboring departments to provide services we are not equipped or prepared to perform.

Sign Me: A Concerned Fireman

[Unregistered]

Embarrass the brass? It's very easy to see that the Captain has more than taken care of that task. As for gossip from the enlisted, this discussion includes readers and responders who are enlisted, officer ("brass"), and civilian.
Isn't this discussion for the sake of talking out the topic? Unfortunately gossip is part of it and unfortunately some of it is quite mean spirited. But it is only discussion and from both sides of the fence. It's very fortunate for Captain Fierro that it did not go into the local papers - yet. Probably won't either.

Well whether it goes in the local papers or not really doesn't matter. It's higher up than that at this point...the Navy is taking care of the matter.

[TJMAC77SP]

Not really having a dog in this particular fight...

I think it is completely appropriate for the Capt's superior to consider the totality of his career when deciding on appropriate action to be taken against him for this particular incident...be it positive or negative.

I agree with you in one sense. When Captain Fierro discussed this with his superior(s) I would assume command would take into consideration his whole career and its accomplishments when deciding on any correction or punitive action. I feel these inputs are moot when discussing his actions on the day (or days) in question (which is what the topic of this thread is supposed to be). I also believe his wife and her alleged accomplishments have nothing to do with anything


BTW: For the sake of clarity my first line in the post you responded to should have read….

Ok, I admit that most of my references to some of the posters on this thread actually being CAPT Fierro were meant to be a joke but after this post……come on.

[Measure Man]

I agree with you in one sense. When Captain Fierro discussed this with his superior(s) I would assume command would take into consideration his whole career and its accomplishments when deciding on any correction or punitive action. I feel these inputs are moot when discussing his actions on the day (or days) in question (which is what the topic of this thread is supposed to be). I also believe his wife and her alleged accomplishments have nothing to do with anything

right, I agree...his career accomplishments don't prove one way or another what happened that day and are not an "excuse" if the behavior was as some represent it to be.

On the other hand, his future in the Navy and any punishment/corrective action...yes, his lifelong commitment and past accomplishments should be considered. Also, his past behavior should be considered...as some have indicated this may be a pattern of behavior.

And I agree...what his wife has done is neither here nor there and has zero bearing on this.

[Unregistered]

Hmmm....lets see - the reason the sailor was on watch in his dungarees was because the Captain had one of the sailors taken off the gate to take his Admiral "friend" to Andrews Air Force Base to catch a plane. He caused that to happen, so he needs to take a look at himself. It said so right in the article if you read it!!!!
shouldn't believe all you read especially from the source in question
even you must know their are 2 sides to evry story

[Unregistered]

This has absolutely NOTHING to do with Guarino personally. It has to do with the fact that the CO acted out like a crazy person. Bin Laden could care less about this. If a terrorist wants to target Annapolis or the Naval Academy, what uniform is being worn has nothing to do with it.
you are saying Gaurino did nothing wrong by leaving his post ungaurded with an unarmed guard ? his actions are to be okay but the Captain cussing makes him a madman
why is this? and the civilian who started all this should crawl in a hole and wait until he is a mature person and then come out

[Unregistered]

unless her took a leak in public view, he left his post, his view was obstructed

[Unregistered]

Why are you trying to badmouth the enlisted? They are what runs the military...the higher ups just think they do.
you must be joking
I have 3 generations of Navy in my family beginning with WW1
how much action have you seen?

[Unregistered]

A "good" person gets in someone's face and calls them a SOB and a MF'er and a Piece of Sh#t???? A "good" person puts his fingers in someone's face and spits on them? Degrades them? belittles them?

I'd sure hate to see what your definition for a "bad" person is.............................!
were you there? did you witness all of this? if not you should be quiet you could leave yourself up for legal action later on

[Unregistered]

Uh..anybody reading this (and it was not me who posted the above referenced post) can tell it is from a military member... so why would they care about civilian jobs? And besides that, there hasn't been any cuts in civilian jobs there.

Who says the Fire & Police are holding him responsible? His BOSS is holding him responsible as is the Navy.

Yes, an employee witnessed it....MANY employees witnessed it..just ask anyone behind the CO's car while he was out of his car acting like a crazy maker.
you say many how Many? and how you exagerrate and I assume you were there to see this or else you would not be saying things that may not be true

[Unregistered]

There is nothing that says perfection has to come in such a package!!! There is nothing that says that in order to be perfect a person has to learn how to berate and belittle others into following direction. In fact it's been proven after many many years of experience that that kind of management is very INEFFECTIVE. Which is the very reason why managers AND military officers are being taught better and MORE EFFECTIVE ways of commanding those in their charge. What the captain violated is taught in management 101. If you kick someone they will not get up and continue to work for you. If you call what the captain did correct then I would seriously doubt your ability to command anyone. If this had been his first or even second offense in his career this would be an entirely different situation. However, there are many many people who are coming forward and have through out his career to testify to his bully tactics and poor command abilities. These are not people who were bystanders or people who happened to hear a story from someone else as to his actions. They were the victims themselves or the first hand observers - just as those who witnessed his most recent tirades at USNA. How can anyone challenge those kind of testimonies as not knowing the facts? How can anyone say that this man does not have a track record throughout his career stating his inability to control himself and command in a manner befitting his rank? Now, there are plenty of people who KNOW the facts regarding that guard post and the actions of those guards. Remember there were 3 guards there that day at the very moment the captain chose to "perform his duty" on that soldier. If those people step up and state the facts then where's the argument? There is none. The only one whose actions are in question are the captain's. It is not necessary to belittle anyone including the captain - he seems quite able to do that very well on his own. Those who choose to ignore the facts and continue to make ugly statements and accusations using flawed knowledge are as much a part of the problem as the captain himself.

SPEAKING OF YOURSELF

[Unregistered]

an ass chewing isnt acting like a madman but he acts that way on a regular basis out of control and screaming at and spitting at and waving his fingers in peoples faces like he thinks he is better than them thats the truth of it
HOW MANY TIMED DID YOU YOURSELF SEE THIS?

[filecabinet]

This is all pretty ridiculous.

[SeaHawk]

This is all pretty ridiculous.

Very well put! It seems the argument is more important than the facts. And only the blind argue about the color of the sky on a clear day.

[Unregistered]

shouldn't believe all you read especially from the source in question
even you must know their are 2 sides to evry story

It's common knowledge what the person wrote (about a guard being taken off the gate to take an Admiral to Andrews) is FACT and TRUE...

[Unregistered]

you are saying Gaurino did nothing wrong by leaving his post ungaurded with an unarmed guard ? his actions are to be okay but the Captain cussing makes him a madman
why is this? and the civilian who started all this should crawl in a hole and wait until he is a mature person and then come out


No they should be commended for bringing this outrageous behavior to the forefront.

[Unregistered]

unless her took a leak in public view, he left his post, his view was obstructed

You obviously do not work there or you would know that using the head is NOT LEAVING THE POST.

[Unregistered]

were you there? did you witness all of this? if not you should be quiet you could leave yourself up for legal action later on

Keep talking to yourself....I have done NOTHING...this thread is for posting one's opinions..don't try to threaten me with any legal action...get a life!!!

[Unregistered]

you say many how Many? and how you exagerrate and I assume you were there to see this or else you would not be saying things that may not be true

How many? enough...

[Unregistered]

HOW MANY TIMED DID YOU YOURSELF SEE THIS?

higly reliable sources.....enough said

[Unregistered]

What despicable conduct, at the training campus for future Naval leaders, no less! An example need to be set. Anything less than forced immediate retirement at the next lower rank would be an injustice to the sailors he has humiliated and a disgrace to the U.S. Navy!
who appointed somebody like you Judge and Jury?
How much of this did you actually see? or another one who believes what others say?
do you always believe what you hear and do not see?
What does this say about you?

[Unregistered]

So he was in trouble in the past for terrorizing his crew on the Kinkaid and received a slap on the wrist? So much for Navy Core Values. No doubt everyone in his current comand is terrified of him as well. What a coward! It's a shame the gate sentry didn't give him a dose of pepper spray!

you say they are terrified of the Captain, How do you know this to be the truth?\
are youn under him?
or do they know they have to do their job the way it should be done, becuase he does not tolerate it being done any other way some people will let you do things your way and let you slide, the Captain will not
this is not terror

[Unregistered]

I don't feel sorry for the soldier, I feel sorry for you backing up a crazy, out of control Captain. That is disturbing. Rank means nothing when one acts like a madman who deserves to be holed up in a padded room.

SINCE WHEN DOES CURSING MAKE SOMEONE A MADMAN?
DID YOU EVER CURSE AT ANYONE?
AS FAR AS WAVING HIS ARMS, MOST ITALIANS SPEAK WITH THEIR HANDS MOVING ARE THEY ALSO MADMEN?

[Unregistered]

I worked for this Captain and the abuse that he lets off is unjust. If his day is bad you get cursed out? How does that look for the military? And for anyone to say that the sentry was work is as dumb as the next man who says its okay. Lets be real if you get cursed out by anybody in front of a group of people who do or don't know you, you would be offended. Don't be stupid.
SO WHAT?
DO YOUR JOB RIGHT AND IT WON'T HAPPEN

WHO IS ACTING STUPID?

[Unregistered]

This is too much for a sane person to stomach! The fact is this guy screwed up really bad. It wasn't the guard either. The FACT is the Captain needs help. If he can not control his behavior and act like an adult much less the officer that he is supposed to be then perhaps he needs to rethink the job he has and consider a new line of business. There's nothing difficult about that assessment. The FACT is that no self respecting individual - WHOEVER they may be - would ever deal with a situation the way the Captain has chosen to do so. NO ONE - military or otherwise - would EVER deal with a situation in the manner in which he chose. BECAUSE they would already know that to deal with a situation in such a manner would be detrimental to all parties concerned. There is NO BENEFIT to this kind of behaviour EVER. AGAIN - as stated before - this guard OBVIOUSLY was placing NO ONE in imminent danger. THEREFORE, the situation definately could have been dealt with in a more adult and professional manner. Most certainly his choice was not correct and has caused more problems than it solved. All the name calling in the world is not going to correct the damage that has been done. The FACTS are the facts.
FACTS ARE THE FACTS
AND UNLESS YOU WERE RIGHT THERE AND SAW WHAT HAPPENED
YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, SOMEBODY COULD DO THIS TO YOU ALSO ONE DAY
THIS MAY BE REALLY BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION, THAT IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

[Unregistered]

I can understand where you are coming from. People at the Academy are quite aware of his ways and there have been numerous outbursts such as this one. The difference is that this one was witnessed by someone outside of our agency and reported. If it was serious enough for them to report, you have to think about his actions and wonder how he got this far in his career. Its a shame he cannot control his emotions...it's obvious this will put a mark on his career. I actually kind of feel bad for him.
THE CIVILIAN THAT REPORTED IT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY, HE WAS
THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL AND SEE ALL
WAS HE IN HIS CAR, OR OUTSIDE THE CAR, HOW MUCH DISTANCE WAS THERE
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL HE SAYS HE DID

[Unregistered]

It's common knowledge what the person wrote (about a guard being taken off the gate to take an Admiral to Andrews) is FACT and TRUE...
ok how about the rest?

[Unregistered]

higly reliable sources.....enough said
that is hearsay not fact

[Unregistered]

an ass chewing isnt acting like a madman but he acts that way on a regular basis out of control and screaming at and spitting at and waving his fingers in peoples faces like he thinks he is better than them thats the truth of it

Have you seen this yourself

[SeaHawk]

SO WHAT?
DO YOUR JOB RIGHT AND IT WON'T HAPPEN

WHO IS ACTING STUPID?

That is absolutely not true. I work there I KNOW that he goes off on even those who ARE doing their job. These are not people who are slackers either - they are very hard working and extremely competent at what they do. For a FACT I know that the times he literally went off on them was for no justifiable reason (and yes it was as though he were insane - no kidding or exaggeration). So just doing the job right is not correct at all. This man goes off at the drop of a hat and there are many hard working people who can testify to that. I will not say that he is not smart - obviously he is. However, it is possible to be intelligent and have anger issues as well.

[SeaHawk]

FACTS ARE THE FACTS
AND UNLESS YOU WERE RIGHT THERE AND SAW WHAT HAPPENED
YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, SOMEBODY COULD DO THIS TO YOU ALSO ONE DAY
THIS MAY BE REALLY BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION, THAT IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

Obviously you weren't right there either. Yes, in this conversation, the facts have been really blown out of proportion. When a good man gets blamed for someone else's inability to control them self, obviously the facts have been blown out of proportion. Why is it so hard to believe when the facts are coming straight from the reports of those who were there that day?

[Unregistered]

who appointed somebody like you Judge and Jury?
How much of this did you actually see? or another one who believes what others say?
do you always believe what you hear and do not see?
What does this say about you?

Whomever this is..every post says "were you there?" "Did you actually see this?" "Do you believe what others say?". Is it the CO again? or one of his cronies???

[Unregistered]

SINCE WHEN DOES CURSING MAKE SOMEONE A MADMAN?
DID YOU EVER CURSE AT ANYONE?
AS FAR AS WAVING HIS ARMS, MOST ITALIANS SPEAK WITH THEIR HANDS MOVING ARE THEY ALSO MADMEN?

And why are you yelling (all caps)???

[Unregistered]

SINCE WHEN DOES CURSING MAKE SOMEONE A MADMAN?
DID YOU EVER CURSE AT ANYONE?
AS FAR AS WAVING HIS ARMS, MOST ITALIANS SPEAK WITH THEIR HANDS MOVING ARE THEY ALSO MADMEN?

No I do NOT curse at people - I do not waive my hands either. Italians might use their hands, but they do not act like the CO did...yelling and acting like that when they do. Big difference there...not related.

[Unregistered]

SO WHAT?
DO YOUR JOB RIGHT AND IT WON'T HAPPEN

WHO IS ACTING STUPID?

would love to know who the employee is (or should I say was),,,, do not believe that the person wasn't doing their job.... it only depends on which way the wind is blowing....he doesn't need a reason to "blow up"

[Unregistered]

FACTS ARE THE FACTS
AND UNLESS YOU WERE RIGHT THERE AND SAW WHAT HAPPENED
YOU SHOULD KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT, SOMEBODY COULD DO THIS TO YOU ALSO ONE DAY
THIS MAY BE REALLY BLOWN OUT OF PROPORTION, THAT IS WHAT REALLY HAPPENED

That Captain will NEVER yell at me, that you can be sure of...

[Unregistered]

THE CIVILIAN THAT REPORTED IT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY, HE WAS
THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL AND SEE ALL
WAS HE IN HIS CAR, OR OUTSIDE THE CAR, HOW MUCH DISTANCE WAS THERE
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL HE SAYS HE DID

Why don't you go ask the person if you are so concerned

[Unregistered]

ok how about the rest?

duh..............

[SeaHawk]

THE CIVILIAN THAT REPORTED IT, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE EXACTLY, HE WAS
THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL AND SEE ALL
WAS HE IN HIS CAR, OR OUTSIDE THE CAR, HOW MUCH DISTANCE WAS THERE
I FIND IT HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HE COULD HEAR ALL HE SAYS HE DID

E-Mail etiquette - All Caps means you are yelling. Unless your intension is to yell at everyone.

[Unregistered]

that is hearsay not fact

everything about this is fact..the person who is in trouble would call it hearsay

[Unregistered]

you say they are terrified of the Captain, How do you know this to be the truth?\
are youn under him?
or do they know they have to do their job the way it should be done, becuase he does not tolerate it being done any other way some people will let you do things your way and let you slide, the Captain will not
this is not terror

This is not about the "Captain" letting things slide or not...this is about the "Captain" acting inappropriately.

[filecabinet]

When is the investigation going to be completed?

[TJMAC77SP]

Hey, can anyone tell me how the sentries at West Point behave?


Sorry……just had to

39 Pages and counting !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

Whomever this is..every post says "were you there?" "Did you actually see this?" "Do you believe what others say?". Is it the CO again? or one of his cronies???
it is not the Captain nor one of his cronies, just a legal person who still has not received your answer

[Unregistered]

Why don't you go ask the person if you are so concerned

I am asking, He probably reads these posts

[TJMAC77SP]

it is not the Captain nor one of his cronies, just a legal person who still has not received your answer

Do you mean "Legal person" in that you are legally a person or "Legal person" in that you are a person in the legal profession? If it is the later I shudder to see your 'professional' written correspondence.

[Unregistered]

I dunno know why you're barking at my post...

I don't have particularly strong feelings on this either way...I don't think its a crime for a commander to yell at people...but, I have no knowledge of this commander and his history.

Nor do I have much knowledge on the rules for being a sentry in the Navy.

I wasn't putting down the Captain...perhaps you are quoting the wrong post. I think he probably acted a bit inappropriately and is due some private counseling...but doubt he should be relieved of command, sent to jail...or any of the other things some are suggesting here. I think this whole ordeal is blown out of proportion.

As for me...I've been on the receiving end a couple times with O-6s cussing me out...and I certainly didn't cry about it...just all in a day's work as far as I'm concerned.

sorry, you seem like a good person . wrong post

[Unregistered]

Probably. It still isn't going to save his career. No officer worth the name has any business treating subordinates the way Fierro did. Fierro needs to be retired, probably as a CDR. At worst he should be subject to UCMJ action. BEAT IT, MIKE!!!

you are a very sick person, if you think the treatrment was so serious, he was cussed at, not the end of the world or the worse that will happen in his life, or your life, grow up
if he was not the captain, nothing would have been said

[SeaHawk]

you are a very sick person, if you think the treatrment was so serious, he was cussed at, not the end of the world or the worse that will happen in his life, or your life, grow up
if he was not the captain, nothing would have been said

The problem is not just that he cussed but the way he behaved while he was cussing AND that this performance took place in front of a whole line of people. The problem is not that he did this just once but that it is part of a repeating performance throughout his career. The problem is not that the guard did or didn't do anything wrong it's how the captain chose to deal with the situation. He not only embarrassed himself he embarrassed his uniform and the Naval Academy. The problem is that the captain has anger issues and cannot seem to control his outbursts toward situations of all sorts. This is a fact which can be attested to in more ways than one. Boil it down to one point and what comes up is the captain. The only reason we're even discussing anything regarding the incident at the USNA gate is because several people reported yet another one of his many tirades. The fact that so many people witnessed it first hand and reported on it is probably not even the reason it went to UCMJ. No doubt the reason this action went to UCMJ is because it was part of a long list of reports and complaints. Had he done the very same thing behind closed doors we probably would not be having this discussion.

[Unregistered]

you are a very sick person, if you think the treatrment was so serious, he was cussed at, not the end of the world or the worse that will happen in his life, or your life, grow up
if he was not the captain, nothing would have been said

again with the sick person and grow up...getting very old

[Unregistered]

Do you mean "Legal person" in that you are legally a person or "Legal person" in that you are a person in the legal profession? If it is the later I shudder to see your 'professional' written correspondence.

Time will tell

[Unregistered]

Whomever this is..every post says "were you there?" "Did you actually see this?" "Do you believe what others say?". Is it the CO again? or one of his cronies???

answer the questions

[Unregistered]

Time will tell

Hey TJMAC, is this person threatening you??

[Unregistered]

answer the questions

I think not, you'll find out soon enough.

[TJMAC77SP]

Hey TJMAC, is this person threatening you??

I have no frapping idea!! My first reaction to the post was (and remains).........HUH ???

[Unregistered]

The problem is not just that he cussed but the way he behaved while he was cussing AND that this performance took place in front of a whole line of people. The problem is not that he did this just once but that it is part of a repeating performance throughout his career. The problem is not that the guard did or didn't do anything wrong it's how the captain chose to deal with the situation. He not only embarrassed himself he embarrassed his uniform and the Naval Academy. The problem is that the captain has anger issues and cannot seem to control his outbursts toward situations of all sorts. This is a fact which can be attested to in more ways than one. Boil it down to one point and what comes up is the captain. The only reason we're even discussing anything regarding the incident at the USNA gate is because several people reported yet another one of his many tirades. The fact that so many people witnessed it first hand and reported on it is probably not even the reason it went to UCMJ. No doubt the reason this action went to UCMJ is because it was part of a long list of reports and complaints. Had he done the very same thing behind closed doors we probably would not be having this discussion.
you say a whole line of people. What time of the day was this? were you there to witness all that has been said? and how many is a whole line of people? just curious, as I am sure other people are also
would like to hear all of it, from the people that were there in person

[Unregistered]

you say a whole line of people. What time of the day was this? were you there to witness all that has been said? and how many is a whole line of people? just curious, as I am sure other people are also
would like to hear all of it, from the people that were there in person

Of course no one stood there during morning rush hour and counted the cars in that line. Suffice to say it was during the hour when everyone was arriving at work. When someone stops at the gate in line it backs up. Anyone who works at USNA or has even visited there knows that. The number of cars in line at the time of the incident is hardly the issue here anyway. That question is a bit off topic. The fact is that several of those people in that line witnessed what happened and were so upset by the captain's actions that they reported it. What exactly is in each report no one knows but those who submitted and those who received them. Given that people were on their way to work and the nature of gossip that was the "hot topic" of the day in offices throughout USNA - at least for a short while. No matter how nitpicky anyone wants to get regarding minor details such as how many cars were in line the issue will always remain the same - the captain's actions that day at that moment were unnecessary and unbecoming the officer that he is supposed to be. The issue is his actions and the results of those actions. If you want to know how many cars back up at the USNA gate when ONE car is stopped in line just try it one day. And then YOU stand there and count them all - that is if the guard will let you get that far!

[Unregistered]

Of course no one stood there during morning rush hour and counted the cars in that line. Suffice to say it was during the hour when everyone was arriving at work. When someone stops at the gate in line it backs up. Anyone who works at USNA or has even visited there knows that. The number of cars in line at the time of the incident is hardly the issue here anyway. That question is a bit off topic. The fact is that several of those people in that line witnessed what happened and were so upset by the captain's actions that they reported it. What exactly is in each report no one knows but those who submitted and those who received them. Given that people were on their way to work and the nature of gossip that was the "hot topic" of the day in offices throughout USNA - at least for a short while. No matter how nitpicky anyone wants to get regarding minor details such as how many cars were in line the issue will always remain the same - the captain's actions that day at that moment were unnecessary and unbecoming the officer that he is supposed to be. The issue is his actions and the results of those actions. If you want to know how many cars back up at the USNA gate when ONE car is stopped in line just try it one day. And then YOU stand there and count them all - that is if the guard will let you get that far!
Aa you put it, it was the gossip of the day and that may be just what it was, a lot of gossip, which tends to mulitply from one person to the other
Hot Topic, don"t see why, must be more important things to discuss
I guess you were not there from your wording to see if first hand

[Unregistered]

Of course no one stood there during morning rush hour and counted the cars in that line. Suffice to say it was during the hour when everyone was arriving at work. When someone stops at the gate in line it backs up. Anyone who works at USNA or has even visited there knows that. The number of cars in line at the time of the incident is hardly the issue here anyway. That question is a bit off topic. The fact is that several of those people in that line witnessed what happened and were so upset by the captain's actions that they reported it. What exactly is in each report no one knows but those who submitted and those who received them. Given that people were on their way to work and the nature of gossip that was the "hot topic" of the day in offices throughout USNA - at least for a short while. No matter how nitpicky anyone wants to get regarding minor details such as how many cars were in line the issue will always remain the same - the captain's actions that day at that moment were unnecessary and unbecoming the officer that he is supposed to be. The issue is his actions and the results of those actions. If you want to know how many cars back up at the USNA gate when ONE car is stopped in line just try it one day. And then YOU stand there and count them all - that is if the guard will let you get that far!
do I understand you to say, this occured during the busy morning hours? and this is the time the Guard chose to go to the head? He could not wait until the rush was over? what time did he begin?

[Unregistered]

Aa you put it, it was the gossip of the day and that may be just what it was, a lot of gossip, which tends to mulitply from one person to the other
Hot Topic, don"t see why, must be more important things to discuss
I guess you were not there from your wording to see if first hand


yeah i guess the UCMJ thing and the investigation is a bunch of gossip ........

[Unregistered]

do I understand you to say, this occured during the busy morning hours? and this is the time the Guard chose to go to the head? He could not wait until the rush was over? what time did he begin?

he was on watch before you stepped out of bed

[Unregistered]

what time did he begin? The Sentries work 12 hour shifts, 0600 to 1800 to 0600. They report 30 minutes prior at 0530 or 1730. So since this was the morning rush hour I think it is safe to say the Sentry had been up since 0430 and on duty since 0530. The incident reportedly happened in the 0700 hour.

[Unregistered]

not true
I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 18 hours and get up the same time and have to drive to work and could not or would not think of using the John, so soon after starting my shift or during the busier time of my shift and I am a senior citizen, who tends to have to go more often than you young people
it is being investigated because a bunch of people with nothing better to do are griping and I tend to believe they will find out how untrue most of what is being said really is

[Unregistered]

This sailor, whom i have had the privilege of serving with did not leave his post. As stated in an earlier comment, the head is 10 feet from the traffic lanes at the gates. If anything had happened i can assure u that guarino would have been out dealing with the situation in a matter of seconds. as for the other sentry, he did not have the proper uniform because there were none to issue him. The only reason he was put on the gate is because there was no other available option. For those of you criticizing guarino for using the head, what do you expect him to do? Pee his pants? Berating the sentries during peak traffic demonstrates a lack of professionalism expected from a senior officer in a command position regardless of where you are located. This is not the first time Capt. Fierro has berated sentries at their posts (i know, i have been on the receiving end of a few myself) and if he remains in command, will not be the last.
you said it during peak hours, why could he not wait until after, have gone before, seems like he just began his shift, his timing was not good and may be why the captain was irate, was the long line due to his not being where he was supposed to be? and if you were reprimanded, you probably needed it also
seems like you guards, have been goffing off and now you cannot anymore

[TJMAC77SP]

Captain, go back to work. You have done your work. The USNA sentries are now outstanding and holding their water. Good on ya !!

41 pages and counting........

[Measure Man]

I've never been to the USNA...but rush hour at my base has 9-12 sentries on duty...any of them can go to the head during thier 12 hour shift...

No way any leader should ask one man...to man a post for 12-16 hours with no relief...i don't care who you are.

[Unregistered]

not true
I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 18 hours and get up the same time and have to drive to work and could not or would not think of using the John, so soon after starting my shift or during the busier time of my shift and I am a senior citizen, who tends to have to go more often than you young people
it is being investigated because a bunch of people with nothing better to do are griping and I tend to believe they will find out how untrue most of what is being said really is

Well...that's really odd that you would say that..and being a senior citizen...don't take it the wrong way, but senior citizens normally have a much harder waiting to use the restroom. Of course, your age and the sentries age have nothing to do with it...if nature calls, nature calls and you must answer!

Waiting to use the restroom causes urinary tract infections...which are harmful to the body and extremely painful. Trivial it is arguing over why someone thinks a person should "hold" their urine or fecies for 12+ hours...what a joke to think they could even begin to!!

[Unregistered]

not true
I also work 12 hour days and sometimes 18 hours and get up the same time and have to drive to work and could not or would not think of using the John, so soon after starting my shift or during the busier time of my shift and I am a senior citizen, who tends to have to go more often than you young people
it is being investigated because a bunch of people with nothing better to do are griping and I tend to believe they will find out how untrue most of what is being said really is

It's being investigated..not because of the sentries actions, but because of the Captain's actions. And this was just the icing on the cake for him. One more rant and tirade in an endless history....it just happens that this one was observed by regular people...and not in his office or on his ship..etc.

He has to pay the price....the old saying..what you do comes back to you...sure fits here.

[Unregistered]

you said it during peak hours, why could he not wait until after, have gone before, seems like he just began his shift, his timing was not good and may be why the captain was irate, was the long line due to his not being where he was supposed to be? and if you were reprimanded, you probably needed it also
seems like you guards, have been goffing off and now you cannot anymore

goffing off??? I think you meant to say goofing off...and by the way, I am not a guard but I can tell you that they are very professional and get compliments all the time. Lets not turn this into something it's not...we all can see what it is...those of us who know the deal. Someone..and not the guard, needs a new job and duty-station! Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!!!

[Unregistered]

I've never been to the USNA...but rush hour at my base has 9-12 sentries on duty...any of them can go to the head during thier 12 hour shift...

No way any leader should ask one man...to man a post for 12-16 hours with no relief...i don't care who you are.
there wer2 and the shift just started according to what is being said

[Unregistered]

It's being investigated..not because of the sentries actions, but because of the Captain's actions. And this was just the icing on the cake for him. One more rant and tirade in an endless history....it just happens that this one was observed by regular people...and not in his office or on his ship..etc.

He has to pay the price....the old saying..what you do comes back to you...sure fits here.
I sure hope this applys to all the people who are intent on trying to make the Captain's life unappreciated to say the least, again what he is supposed to have said, iit may have been not quite as they say
how could you take a SH--in the Head at this busy time and not have called them what they say he did

for the people to hear exactly what was said, they would have to be out of their cars and very near to the conversation
I hope they are being watched for every goof they make and thus recorded and saved to be used against them at a time when people want to be mean or just plain don't like them for whatver reason
it never should have gone so far, this is a little crazy, things like this dscourage, men and women from making careers in the Military, when something mundane as this, cause so much stir

[Unregistered]

Well...that's really odd that you would say that..and being a senior citizen...don't take it the wrong way, but senior citizens normally have a much harder waiting to use the restroom. Of course, your age and the sentries age have nothing to do with it...if nature calls, nature calls and you must answer!

Waiting to use the restroom causes urinary tract infections...which are harmful to the body and extremely painful. Trivial it is arguing over why someone thinks a person should "hold" their urine or fecies for 12+ hours...what a joke to think they could even begin to!!
he just started his shift, if he has problems with his bowels or bladder, he should be transferred somewhere else

[Unregistered]

he just started his shift, if he has problems with his bowels or bladder, he should be transferred somewhere else

Come on! This is getting ridiculous. The issue is not how long anyone can wait to go to the bathroom! Nowhere did anyone say this guy had just got on duty. And even if he did - so what if he went to the bathroom. Those guards go to the bathroom every day they're on duty. SO WHAT! That's why they built a bathroom right there at the gate so they could do that. But that's not the issue here. The issue here is that the captain can not control his temper. The issue is that a captain who's supposed to be the example of military leadership to those he's supposed to be leading threw a fit during rush hour at the Naval Academy. For whatever reason it was not necessary to act that way. This officer seems to have a severe problem knowing how to conduct himself as an officer. EVEN IF the situation warranted his immediate intervention there is NEVER a reason so shout down anyone in the manner done by Captain Fierro. With all the evidence out there his is nothing more than a case of OVER REACTING --- AGAIN. Any good manager know that's not how to manage people effectively.

[Unregistered]

he just started his shift, if he has problems with his bowels or bladder, he should be transferred somewhere else

Stop! That is a pretty moronic response. He had been at work for about 2 hrs and awake some 3 or 4 hours.

He was in and out of the cold. He was likely drinking the official beverage of the Navy (or at least what is in the hand of every Chief I have ever seen), Coffee, in order to stay warm. All of this increases the biological sensory triggers and/or increases the need to urinate.

Hell, I usually urinate as soon as I get up in the morning and then when I arrive at work an hour or 90 minutes later I need to relieve myself again. As a medical professional I assure you that it is quite normal to urinate 6 to 10 times over a 24 hour period. Why do you think we recommend that you drink 6 to 8 glasses of water a day?

[Unregistered]

I support the captain- someone should have yelled at the Sentry for not being armed. Think about that- the alternative would be for the unarmed Sentry to have been shot. Has everyone in this country gotten too much pride to where they can not accept any criticism? Get over it- you have an unarmed guard- a killer or terrorist would love to sieze that opportunity. I have very little authority and I get very upset when I see Sentries without any military bearing (dancing, acting thugish, etc). ONE JOINED THE MILITARY- PART OF THE FUN IS TO HAVE GOOD STORIES LIKE THIS ONE!!!

[Unregistered]

The captain should have been upset- it is his job to be upset. The one Sentry should have given the pistol to the unarmed Sentry while he used the head. The Navy is getting too soft.

[Shrike]

he just started his shift, if he has problems with his bowels or bladder, he should be transferred somewhere else

Quite possibly the dumbest statement in 42 pages containing many dumb statements about this issue.

[Unregistered]

The one Sentry should have given the pistol to the unarmed Sentry while he used the head.

This is the 2nd dumbest posting so far... If the "unarmed" sentry had been properly qualified (read: trained and proficient) he would have had a weapon issued to him. Besides, it is not for a fellow sentry to decide on a spur of the moment to arm a co-worker.

This all goes back to one of the original problems with this situation. The unarmed sentry should not have been posted at the assignment he was ordered to stand. He wasn't in proper uniform nor was he properly equipped. But this is not the fault of the other sentry on duty. This falls on the shoulders of Chief of Guard Savino! He is responsible for sentry postings!

The Captain should have been mad but he took it out on the wrong person. The COG should have received the tongue lashing (in private) not the lone armed sentry.

[jeffersj]

Going back to the original article, and staying away from all the back and forth comments:

1. When I was in you could only be relieved by someone fully qualified to stand the watch. That has nothing to do with the fact one sentry was in utilities. While the article does not clarify this, I imagine the gate guard is required to be armed since the article makes mention of the fact the Sailor in utilities was unarmed. If indeed the watch was required to be armed, then both the watch supervisor and the gate guard were in the wrong here - the supervisor for sending the person out there, and the guard for allowing them to stand the watch while he made a head call.

2. The CO was within his rights in the first incident to take immediate action, although his methods leave more that a little to be desired, assuming the article provides an accurate account of the incident. After that he should have called the Senior Watch Officer in and held that person accountable for what happened. Chain of command - manure rolls downhill.

3. Was there a need for the other gate guard to be pulled off watch to drive an Admiral to the airport? Seems the duty driver should have been tasked with that detail, and if they were not available a supernumerary should have been identified and on standby.

4. If the second incident is related accurately, there may be a serious issue brewing at the Academy. Is a Sailor who also happens to be the CO and incapable of self-control really the person we need responsible for developing future leaders?

One thing I will say in regard to a couple of the posts - there is nothing wrong with being chewed out for doing something wrong. However, there is a time and place for everything, and from what the article was saying the CO was incapable of understanding that little detail.

[Unregistered]

Going back to the original article, and staying away from all the back and forth comments:

1. When I was in you could only be relieved by someone fully qualified to stand the watch. That has nothing to do with the fact one sentry was in utilities. While the article does not clarify this, I imagine the gate guard is required to be armed since the article makes mention of the fact the Sailor in utilities was unarmed. If indeed the watch was required to be armed, then both the watch supervisor and the gate guard were in the wrong here - the supervisor for sending the person out there, and the guard for allowing them to stand the watch while he made a head call.

2. The CO was within his rights in the first incident to take immediate action, although his methods leave more that a little to be desired, assuming the article provides an accurate account of the incident. After that he should have called the Senior Watch Officer in and held that person accountable for what happened. Chain of command - manure rolls downhill.

3. Was there a need for the other gate guard to be pulled off watch to drive an Admiral to the airport? Seems the duty driver should have been tasked with that detail, and if they were not available a supernumerary should have been identified and on standby.

4. If the second incident is related accurately, there may be a serious issue brewing at the Academy. Is a Sailor who also happens to be the CO and incapable of self-control really the person we need responsible for developing future leaders?

One thing I will say in regard to a couple of the posts - there is nothing wrong with being chewed out for doing something wrong. However, there is a time and place for everything, and from what the article was saying the CO was incapable of understanding that little detail.

#1 - Close but no cigar. The one "armed" sentry was placed in a "no win" situation. He made a decision based upon normal day to day ops in a ThreatCon Alpha environment. Agreed, another armed sentry should have been present but that wasn't the situation presented to those on duty at the time.

#2 - BINGO

#3 - BINGO

#4 - BINGO

Summary - DEAD ON ACCURATE!

[Unregistered]

Come on! This is getting ridiculous. The issue is not how long anyone can wait to go to the bathroom! Nowhere did anyone say this guy had just got on duty. And even if he did - so what if he went to the bathroom. Those guards go to the bathroom every day they're on duty. SO WHAT! That's why they built a bathroom right there at the gate so they could do that. But that's not the issue here. The issue here is that the captain can not control his temper. The issue is that a captain who's supposed to be the example of military leadership to those he's supposed to be leading threw a fit during rush hour at the Naval Academy. For whatever reason it was not necessary to act that way. This officer seems to have a severe problem knowing how to conduct himself as an officer. EVEN IF the situation warranted his immediate intervention there is NEVER a reason so shout down anyone in the manner done by Captain Fierro. With all the evidence out there his is nothing more than a case of OVER REACTING --- AGAIN. Any good manager know that's not how to manage people effectively.

your priorities are really messed up
you say it was more serious to be reprimanded than to leave the gate unguarded by an unarmed person
does not seem to be much evidence either way, just a lot of gossip and story teling
this is not over reacting by a long shot, any good manager would have fired the guard and nothing would have been said about the manager and you can bet the guard would have been cursed at also
the driving of an Admiral has no bearing on this either, these things happen, all in a days work
could have been any reason that a person was switched to do something else

[Unregistered]

Quite possibly the dumbest statement in 42 pages containing many dumb statements about this issue.

meant that there are people, who need to go more often than others and they need to admit it and find a position that this can be accepted, not security guarding

[Unregistered]

Not surprising but still very sad. Looks like he may be on track for an early retirement from the Navy. I read the comments mentioned. There are at least two that look very much like he wrote them in defense of himself. And a very poor defense it was! One of the comments nailed it "conduct unbecoming an officer". IF those guards were doing ANYTHING wrong there's a time and a place for dealing with it. Where it happened in this case was a very poor decision made by the Captain. Unless those guards were placing people in imminent danger the discipline could have waited for a more appropriate time and place. Captain Fierro has more than once and on numerous occasions with many different people both civilian and military shown himself to be unfit for his station of duty and it is very surprising he's made it this far in his career. Several of the commenters mentioned concern for the Captain's mental health and suggested that perhaps he seek some. Maybe an early retirement would give him the time he would need to do just that. It can't be good for the morale of the troops to know that their CO is a loose cannon that could blow without a moment's notice. Nor could it be good to know that he is so untrustworthy with their respect and reputation as to just rip it to shreds in a tirade of rage over what probably amounts to nothing but a mere misunderstanding on his part. I thought captains were taught to remain calm under fire. Hair trigger reactions like his have gotten people killed.

That's my take on the mess. The Rear Admiral who cussed out the gate sentry and then tried to cover up for it by having the guy move was sent packing. Why would they do less to a Captain at the same installation attempting to do the same or a similar thing. Is he that much better than a Rear Admiral?

A very sad state of affairs going on there. :o(
you are a very very sad person, to judge somebody without first hand experience
what the Captain is accused of doing, not saying he actualy did what is being said.
is nothing that isn't done every day
just curious what have you accomplished in the last 25 years, and the Admiral was not handled in the proper manner, the treatment was unjust and uncalled for, again trying to satisfy some people who resent those above them and they got there by hard work and dedication
How much action have you bveen in?

[Unregistered]

In the spirit of the upcoming Turkey Day... Put a fork in him, he's done! Well, maybe not being that he is a graduate of the almighty USNA and they tend to protect their own. But anywhere else, he'd be done!
you resent USNA grads, sick, jealous and spiteful person are you

anywhere else nothing would happen excet the crybabies would be looking for new jobs and or watched very carefully without good refrences for future employment

[Unregistered]

I support the captain- someone should have yelled at the Sentry for not being armed. Think about that- the alternative would be for the unarmed Sentry to have been shot. Has everyone in this country gotten too much pride to where they can not accept any criticism? Get over it- you have an unarmed guard- a killer or terrorist would love to sieze that opportunity. I have very little authority and I get very upset when I see Sentries without any military bearing (dancing, acting thugish, etc). ONE JOINED THE MILITARY- PART OF THE FUN IS TO HAVE GOOD STORIES LIKE THIS ONE!!!

You have no idea what your talking about.....you might want to read from the beginning before you open your mouth again

[Unregistered]

What ever happened to praise in public, reprimand in private?

Totally inexcusable behavior on the part of the CAPT, it set a poor example for Midshipmen at the Academy, and gave a negative impression to those civilians within site of the incident.

[Unregistered]

You know the sad thing is we are nearly 60 days after this incident took place and as far as any of us can see, this Captain has not yet suffered any kind of disciplinary action.

[Unregistered]

Hey, weren't there 44 pages here? Has someone been deleting comments and why? How is it possible when we're not supposed to be able to edit once they've been posted????

[TJMAC77SP]

Hey, weren't there 44 pages here? Has someone been deleting comments and why? How is it possible when we're not supposed to be able to edit once they've been posted????

The poster can edit or delete their own posts (at least for some unspecified time). Also, the forum administrator will remove posts which she determines violate community guidelines.

All that aside don't you think that even 43 pages is WAY TO FRACKING much for the discussion of this inane topic. It is done, let's all move on.

(Yeah right, like that is going to happen he thinks............)

[Unregistered]

The poster can edit or delete their own posts (at least for some unspecified time). Also, the forum administrator will remove posts which she determines violate community guidelines.

All that aside don't you think that even 43 pages is WAY TO FRACKING much for the discussion of this inane topic. It is done, let's all move on.

(Yeah right, like that is going to happen he thinks............)

I read that last night and there didn't seem to be anything in there that violated any guidelines. In fact they made a lot of sense in comparison to a lot of the other postings here. That's a little disappointing to know that someone is arbitrarily removing postings. If that's the way this place operates maybe it's not even worth the effort. I'd like to think that everyone's opinion matters as long as it's stated in a respectful way. I don't remember those posts being disrespectful. ????

[Unregistered]

The poster can edit or delete their own posts (at least for some unspecified time). Also, the forum administrator will remove posts which she determines violate community guidelines.

All that aside don't you think that even 43 pages is WAY TO FRACKING much for the discussion of this inane topic. It is done, let's all move on.

(Yeah right, like that is going to happen he thinks............)

That's a very good question. If you can't make a statement and have it heard just like all the others spouting off here then what's the point of posting at all. I agree with the fact that this topic is way too drawn out. But then if someone posts a response and if it does not violate any of the guidelines and is on topic then why was it removed? Something doesn't sound right.

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The posts that were listed last night were not offensive. If they were I would like to know EXACTLY what was. After all the posts that I read in this ENTIRE thread those were some of the least offensive. If it's getting to the point that you can't tell someone to go back and read the facts without them getting offended then this is not a website I want to be involved with or promote to my friends and coworkers. At that point you people are not interested in disgussing the facts but just throwing dirt around about other people. I don't understand this at all. I am as disappointed about the remarks made by some people on this thread as you are. And they were very off color remarks. But what I read last night was nowhere near off color or offensive. Please do explain because this makes no sense at all!

[Unregistered]

Of course no one stood there during morning rush hour and counted the cars in that line. Suffice to say it was during the hour when everyone was arriving at work. When someone stops at the gate in line it backs up. Anyone who works at USNA or has even visited there knows that. The number of cars in line at the time of the incident is hardly the issue here anyway. That question is a bit off topic. The fact is that several of those people in that line witnessed what happened and were so upset by the captain's actions that they reported it. What exactly is in each report no one knows but those who submitted and those who received them. Given that people were on their way to work and the nature of gossip that was the "hot topic" of the day in offices throughout USNA - at least for a short while. No matter how nitpicky anyone wants to get regarding minor details such as how many cars were in line the issue will always remain the same - the captain's actions that day at that moment were unnecessary and unbecoming the officer that he is supposed to be. The issue is his actions and the results of those actions. If you want to know how many cars back up at the USNA gate when ONE car is stopped in line just try it one day. And then YOU stand there and count them all - that is if the guard will let you get that far!

Right ON!!!!

[Unregistered]

you said it during peak hours, why could he not wait until after, have gone before, seems like he just began his shift, his timing was not good and may be why the captain was irate, was the long line due to his not being where he was supposed to be? and if you were reprimanded, you probably needed it also
seems like you guards, have been goffing off and now you cannot anymore

When nature calls, nature calls! The guards do NOT goof off..the talk is still on the CO though...!

[Unregistered]

I sure hope this applys to all the people who are intent on trying to make the Captain's life unappreciated to say the least, again what he is supposed to have said, iit may have been not quite as they say
how could you take a SH--in the Head at this busy time and not have called them what they say he did

for the people to hear exactly what was said, they would have to be out of their cars and very near to the conversation
I hope they are being watched for every goof they make and thus recorded and saved to be used against them at a time when people want to be mean or just plain don't like them for whatver reason
it never should have gone so far, this is a little crazy, things like this dscourage, men and women from making careers in the Military, when something mundane as this, cause so much stir

Hey Captain...you did it to yourself!!! (If you are reading this of course)

[Unregistered]

he just started his shift, if he has problems with his bowels or bladder, he should be transferred somewhere else

What time he started his shift and what time he had to use the head have nothing to do with it....our bodies cannot be setup by a clock to tell us when to go. When you have to go, you have to go..there is no "science" on when someone will have to use the darn bathroom! Duh! Don't be a dumby here...everyone has to go in the morning...and we certainly don't get to pick the time that our body tells us we MUST go!

Grow up!

[Unregistered]

I support the captain- someone should have yelled at the Sentry for not being armed. Think about that- the alternative would be for the unarmed Sentry to have been shot. Has everyone in this country gotten too much pride to where they can not accept any criticism? Get over it- you have an unarmed guard- a killer or terrorist would love to sieze that opportunity. I have very little authority and I get very upset when I see Sentries without any military bearing (dancing, acting thugish, etc). ONE JOINED THE MILITARY- PART OF THE FUN IS TO HAVE GOOD STORIES LIKE THIS ONE!!!

let me stop laughing....puuhhleazze....if a terrorist wants to get in the academy, he could get in any time....don't try to blame that on a sentry that had to use the restroom!

[Unregistered]

The captain should have been upset- it is his job to be upset. The one Sentry should have given the pistol to the unarmed Sentry while he used the head. The Navy is getting too soft.

I don't think the issue is with the Captain getting upset, I think the issue is HOW he went about it and HOW he ACTED and how he COULD NOT CONTROL HIMSELF! Crazyman!!!!

[Unregistered]

This is the 2nd dumbest posting so far... If the "unarmed" sentry had been properly qualified (read: trained and proficient) he would have had a weapon issued to him. Besides, it is not for a fellow sentry to decide on a spur of the moment to arm a co-worker.

This all goes back to one of the original problems with this situation. The unarmed sentry should not have been posted at the assignment he was ordered to stand. He wasn't in proper uniform nor was he properly equipped. But this is not the fault of the other sentry on duty. This falls on the shoulders of Chief of Guard Savino! He is responsible for sentry postings!

The Captain should have been mad but he took it out on the wrong person. The COG should have received the tongue lashing (in private) not the lone armed sentry.

For the "smart" person who posted that the fault should have fallen on "Chief of the Guard Savino", they must really NOT know what the hell they are talking about for Chief Savino is NOT the Chief of the Guard!!!!!!

What a dumb#$$!!!

[Unregistered]

This is the 2nd dumbest posting so far... If the "unarmed" sentry had been properly qualified (read: trained and proficient) he would have had a weapon issued to him. Besides, it is not for a fellow sentry to decide on a spur of the moment to arm a co-worker.

This all goes back to one of the original problems with this situation. The unarmed sentry should not have been posted at the assignment he was ordered to stand. He wasn't in proper uniform nor was he properly equipped. But this is not the fault of the other sentry on duty. This falls on the shoulders of Chief of Guard Savino! He is responsible for sentry postings!

The Captain should have been mad but he took it out on the wrong person. The COG should have received the tongue lashing (in private) not the lone armed sentry.

The Captain should have received a tongue lashing from the Admiral for having the gall to relieve a sentry to take his Admiral "friend" to the dam airport!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

your priorities are really messed up
you say it was more serious to be reprimanded than to leave the gate unguarded by an unarmed person
does not seem to be much evidence either way, just a lot of gossip and story teling
this is not over reacting by a long shot, any good manager would have fired the guard and nothing would have been said about the manager and you can bet the guard would have been cursed at also
the driving of an Admiral has no bearing on this either, these things happen, all in a days work
could have been any reason that a person was switched to do something else

The driving of the Admiral most CERTAINLY DOES HAVE BEARING on this! That's what brought all this bs up in the first place!!!! The so-called CO caused this...what an idiot!!! The sad thing is he's apparently not smart enough to figure it out....he's in DENIAL!

[Unregistered]

you are a very very sad person, to judge somebody without first hand experience
what the Captain is accused of doing, not saying he actualy did what is being said.
is nothing that isn't done every day
just curious what have you accomplished in the last 25 years, and the Admiral was not handled in the proper manner, the treatment was unjust and uncalled for, again trying to satisfy some people who resent those above them and they got there by hard work and dedication
How much action have you bveen in?

OMG, Captain Fierro is posting again!!!!!!!!

[Unregistered]

you resent USNA grads, sick, jealous and spiteful person are you

anywhere else nothing would happen excet the crybabies would be looking for new jobs and or watched very carefully without good refrences for future employment

Captain Fierro needs a new job..and if he's a grad, shame on him for giving the Naval Academy a bad name!!!!

[Unregistered]

The poster can edit or delete their own posts (at least for some unspecified time). Also, the forum administrator will remove posts which she determines violate community guidelines.

All that aside don't you think that even 43 pages is WAY TO FRACKING much for the discussion of this inane topic. It is done, let's all move on.

(Yeah right, like that is going to happen he thinks............)

Are we done yet??!!! :)

[Unregistered]

Are we done yet??!!! :)

Actually, the question should be "Is HE done yet?" And if not, why has nothing occurred? I suspect this is just another case of a ring knocker looking out or covering for another ring knocker!

[965er]

I served under Fierro on the Kinkaid. There were times when he got out of hand, but for the most part, the people who were screamed at had it coming.
But even though he loudly berated those who were doing wrong, he loudly praised people who were doing right.
He handed out NAMs to anyone and everyone who did something great. On the way home from deployment, he probably gave 3/4s of the ship an award of some kind. I'd go to war with him any day. He was a good captain.

FC1

[CDE]

I think that CAPT needs to crack open one those Leadership and Management text books.

For the sake of argument let's say the guards were completely in the wrong - such a reaction is completely unwarranted by the CAPT. If corrective action was in order then take it; and if its so egregious then NJP (or more) must be in order. The sad thing is that too many of these fire-breathing-dragons are actually in the navy and we have to put up with them. It saddens me further when these people get command. We need some form of 360-evaluation!

I would love for this investigation to balloon into a command-wide study on the command climate that has been fostered. If you're a senior in high school and you see and hear about stuff like this would it encourage you to sign up?

I'd also love to hear from people that stood OOD for him on a ship.

[kojack]

Maybe he can get with the Navy LtCdr teaching "leadership" who was a prostitute on the side... Ahhhhh...todays professional military....It never ceases to be more and more amazing with every passing day....

[gavinspop]

I served under Captain Fierro on the USS Kinkaid DD 965. He is unbearable. He treated all the young officers like dirt, belittling them in front of the crew on many occasions. I had my own personal run-in with him and ended up being asked to leave the Navy. If not for the temperment and childish behavior of Captain Fierro, I would have been in for life. However, I've moved far beyond 2001 and the very ANGRY Michael Fierro. I noticed he is no longer in command, so someone must have felt he wasn't fit. Too bad it took all these years. And as far as the "old salt" at the beginning of this blog, those days are gone shipmate;)