There is a reason Coasties don't post here

[dolphindriver]

We are an individual military service. We are not a subservice of the US Navy.

One would think Military times of all organizations would know that.

So two things happen. Coasties look at the site and don't see Coast Guard as one of the services and move to another site that does have a section for the Coast Guard or they find the Coast Guard listed under the Navy's site while browsing and they pass on posting anything as they are obviously not being taken seriously on this site.

[CommunityEditor]

For a long time, this forum lived separately, but without participation. It was only a recent move to bring it under the Navy to give it more exposure.

It has been separated out once again. :)


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[bomber1379]

We are an individual military service. We are not a subservice of the US Navy.

One would think Military times of all organizations would know that.

So two things happen. Coasties look at the site and don't see Coast Guard as one of the services and move to another site that does have a section for the Coast Guard or they find the Coast Guard listed under the Navy's site while browsing and they pass on posting anything as they are obviously not being taken seriously on this site.

Why is the coast guard on military times? They aren't military! They are a branch of homeland security. Coasties can go blog on that website!

[TJMAC77SP]

Why is the coast guard on military times? They aren't military! They are a branch of homeland security. Coasties can go blog on that website!

Bomber....you are throwing grenades. I am sure some coastie will be on here soon to explain their participation in the war (and not just here in the US).

[bomber1379]

Bomber....you are throwing grenades. I am sure some coastie will be on here soon to explain their participation in the war (and not just here in the US).

Nothing yet, where are they?

[TJMAC77SP]

Nothing yet, where are they?

Well, they certainly have had the opportunity.

[miketalk]

quote posted originally by
bomber1379
Platoon Daddy

"Why is the coast guard on military times? They aren't military!
They are a branch of homeland security.
Coasties can go blog on that website!" End of quote by bommer1379


To bommer1379
Pursuant to an act of the United States Congress, the United States
Coast Guard is in fact a military branch of the United States government,
and therefore pursuant to the United States Code has been declared as a
branch of the Armed Forces at all times. Let me please add that the
United States Coast Guard is in fact the oldest sea going service in the
United States military. As such, the US Coast Guard has fought in
every conflict with distinction that the United States of America has
ever been involved with. Please see United States Code citation below
declaring the United States Coast Guard as an Armed Force and military
service at all times pursuant to US Code Title 14, part 1, chapter 1 by
an act of the United States Congress below:


* United States Code
o TITLE 14 - COAST GUARD
+ PART I - REGULAR COAST GUARD
# CHAPTER 1 - ESTABLISHMENT AND DUTIES

U.S. Code as of: 01/19/04
Section 1. Establishment of Coast Guard

The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a
military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United
States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the
Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service
in the Navy. [end of quote]
The above quote from the United States Code Title 14, Part 1, Chapter 1, Section 1 - Establishment of US Coast Guard may
be accessed at Findlaw at the link below:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/uscodes/14/parts/i/chapters/1/sections/section_1.html

To all the Coasties - SEMPER PARATUS!

[dolphindriver]

Bomber, if you are posting something like that to get a rise out of a Coastie it is a tired point and simply shows the type of person you are. If you are making comments like that because that is what you really think then you really need to get more knowledgeable to keep from looking ignorant. As noted, by law we are military but we also have the unique position of being able to do civilian law enforcement.

Coast Guard personnel hold the same rank and privileges as their DoD counterparts. We just get to work outside that world as well. We get the same pay, get saluted and have to salute by the same rank structure as anyone in DoD.

So you got a response. I guess that is what you wanted.

[soldiermedic]

Bomber....you are throwing grenades. I am sure some coastie will be on here soon to explain their participation in the war (and not just here in the US).

I knew a Coastie who was out at sea delivering supplies to Iraq and Kuwait.

[dolphindriver]

I have long since stopped trying to defend anything I have done or any service I have been in. I served ten years in the Army and am at about eight years in the Coast Guard. If someone wants to runoff about their service being better, fine. I know what I have and have not done and they can think what they want.

[Thomas Jackson]

Coasties in large numbers may not post here for fear of reprisal and retaliation should they say anything that does not tow the company line. We have reported at the Thomas Jackson Center on the case of several bloggers at CGblog.org. They have had their jobs (civilian) threatened. The Coast Guard does not take lightly to those who think outside the box.

[JimB]

Nothing yet, where are they?

Just found this site bomber----how's this---Why do the Marines have their own section here? They are part of the Navy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[warr1or]

Just thought I'de throw in my two cents - anyone who's willing to go out into choppy seas to patrol, or anyone willing to fly a chopper out to rescue stranded boaters is the bees frickin' knees. Not to mention the rescue divers who kick ass. I've always admired the Coast Guard, and growing up on the shore, have seen the important role they play at home.

[dolphindriver]

The Coast Guard does not take lightly to those who think outside the box.

That is not really true as most of us are paid to think outside the box on a daily basis.


warr1or, thanks for the compliment. I have enjoyed serving in both the Army and the Coast Guard and think all services bring a great deal to the table.

[ringjamesa]

bump-hope this helps warbyrd. Check out post #7

[Deebelle369]

Just thought I'de throw in my two cents - anyone who's willing to go out into choppy seas to patrol, or anyone willing to fly a chopper out to rescue stranded boaters is the bees frickin' knees. Not to mention the rescue divers who kick ass. I've always admired the Coast Guard, and growing up on the shore, have seen the important role they play at home.

A-men! Thank you Coasties!

[TightenUp]

Why is the coast guard on military times? They aren't military! They are a branch of homeland security. Coasties can go blog on that website!
The Coast Guard, in its literature, describes itself as "a military, maritime, multi-mission service within the Department of Homeland Security dedicated to protecting the safety and security of America."

In addition, the Coast Guard has separate legal authority than the other four armed services. The Coast Guard operates under Title 10 of the United States Code and its other organic authorities, e.g., Titles 6, 14, 19, 33, 46, etc., simultaneously. Because of its legal authority, the Coast Guard can conduct military operations under the Department of Defense or directly for the President in accordance with 14 USC 1-3.

Role
The United States Coast Guard has a broad and important role in maritime homeland security, maritime law enforcement (MLE), search and rescue (SAR), marine environmental protection (MEP), and the maintenance of river, intracoastal and offshore aids to navigation (ATON). Founded by Alexander Hamilton as the Revenue Cutter Service on August 4, 1790, it lays claim to being the United States' oldest continuous seagoing service. As of October 2006, the Coast Guard had approximately 46,000 men and women on active duty, 8,100 reservists, 7,000 full time civilian employees and 30,000 Auxiliarists.[2]

Authority as an armed service
The five uniformed services that make up the Armed Forces are defined in 10 U.S.C. § 101(a)(4):

“ The term "armed forces" means the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marine Corps, and Coast Guard. ”

The Coast Guard is further defined by 14 U.S.C. § 1:

“ The Coast Guard as established January 28, 1915, shall be a military service and a branch of the armed forces of the United States at all times. The Coast Guard shall be a service in the Department of Homeland Security, except when operating as a service in the Navy. ”

Coast Guard organization and operation is as set forth in Title 33 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

On February 25, 2003, the Coast Guard was placed under the Department of Homeland Security. The Coast Guard reports directly to the Secretary of Homeland Security. However, under 14 U.S.C. § 3 as amended by section 211 of the Coast Guard and Maritime Transportation Act of 2006, upon the declaration of war and when Congress so directs in the declaration, or when the President directs, the Coast Guard operates under the Department of Defense as a service in the Department of the Navy. 14 U.S.C. § 2 authorizes the Coast Guard to enforce federal law, which is further defined in 14 U.S.C. § 89. Further, the Coast Guard is exempt from and not subject to the restrictions of the Posse Comitatus Act which restrict the law enforcement activities of the other four military services within United States territory.

On October 17, 2007, the Coast Guard joined with the U.S. Navy and U.S. Marine Corps to adopt a new maritime strategy called A Cooperative Strategy for 21st Century Seapower that raised the notion of prevention of war to the same philosophical level as the conduct of war.[6] This new strategy charted a course for the Navy, Coast Guard and Marine Corps to work collectively with each other and international partners to prevent regional crises, manmade or natural, from occurring or reacting quickly should one occur to avoid negative impacts to the United States. During the launch of the new U.S. maritime strategy at the International Seapower Symposium at the U.S. Naval War College, 2007, Coast Guard Commandant Admiral Thad Allen said the new maritime strategy reinforced the time-honored missions the service carried out in this U.S. since 1790. "It reinforces the Coast Guard maritime strategy of safety, security and stewardship, and it reflects not only the global reach of our maritime services but the need to integrate and synchronize and act with our coalition and international partners to not only win wars ... but to prevent wars," Allen said.[7]

Authority as a law enforcement agency
The Coast Guard, has law enforcement powers, in contrast with the other branches of the United States Armed Forces which are prevented for acting in a law enforcement capacity by the Posse Comitatus Act and Department of Defense policy.

14 U.S.C. § 89 is the principal source of Coast Guard enforcement authority.

14 U.S.C. § 143 and 19 U.S.C. § 1401 empower US Coast Guard Active and Reserve commissioned officers, warrant officers, and petty officers as federal customs officers. This places them under 19 U.S.C. § 1589a, which grants customs officers general law enforcement authority, including the authority to:

(1) carry a firearm;
(2) execute and serve any order, warrant, subpoena, summons, or other process issued under the authority of the United States;
(3) make an arrest without a warrant for any offense against the United States committed in the officer's presence or for a felony, cognizable under the laws of the United States committed outside the officer's presence if the officer has reasonable grounds to believe that the person to be arrested has committed or is committing a felony; and
(4) perform any other law enforcement duty that the Secretary of Homeland Security may designate.

The U.S. Government Accountability Office Report to the House of Representatives, Committee on the Judiciary on its 2006 Survey of Federal Civilian Law Enforcement Functions and Authorities identified the U.S. Coast Guard as one of 104 federal components employed which employed law enforcement officers.[8] The Report also included a summary table of the authorities of the U.S. Coast Guard's 192 special agents and 3,780 maritime law enforcement boarding officers.[9]

Coast Guardsmen have the legal authority to carry their service-issued firearms on and off base, thus giving them greater flexibility when being called to service. This is not always done in practice, however; at many Coast Guard stations, commanders prefer to have all service-issued weapons in armories. Still, one court has held that Coast Guard boarding officers are qualified law enforcement officers authorized to carry personal firearms off-duty for self-defense.[10]

As members of a military service, Coast Guardsmen on active and reserve service are subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and receive the same pay and allowances as members of the same pay grades in the other uniformed services.

"I said all that to say this.......in my pocket is a retired ID card....each month I get my welcomed retirement check......we often encounter people that simply are mis/uninformed....we are thousands where others are millions.....we're engaged in living saving...anyone can take a life....we try to preserve it...Respect to all soldiers, airmen, marines and sailors! Semper Paratus!

[bravohotel43]

Coasties lives in our detachment at my job school. I have to say, even though I'll make jokes about you puddle jumpers (:P) I have nothing but respect for what you fine men and women do for our country.