What is wrong with Marines these days?

[SGT2311]

Before I begin, I might add that I've only been in the Marine Corps for 4 years so I'm still boot to people but hear me out:

There is not a weekend that goes by where I don't go to get my haircut out in town where I see a Marine wearing shower shoes or not shaven or is wearing SOMETHING they know they are not suppose to wear because every time I correct them they say "Oh, I was just coming from my house real quick" Or "Oh I forgot I was wearing them". WTF Marines, seriously! You know what's right and wrong yet you continue to do the wrong thing because nobody chews your ass for it. There has been numerous times when i see Marines out of uniform or jacked up in some way and I just wait to see if anyone is going to say anything to him, but it never happens. I'm always the one who has to tell that Marine that he's all jacked up, then he gets butt hurt and thinks I'm hazing him for telling him he's wrong. Whatever happened to NCOs with gonads? Whatever happened to Honor, COURAGE, and Committment? Our Corps is slowly starting to lose confidence in it's NCO ranks, including ME and I'm a friggen NCO!

[wzgriffith]

A lot of it is how you go about correcting Marines. A f-ed up Marine is more likely to get defensive and not listen to you if you jump into a DI style "devil dogging." There is no need to go straight to that level. Yell after they disrespect you. Besides, you also have to know your order, people think they know, but when you actually read the order... it's different.

[Bigmoe]

Motivated hard charging Ammo Tech. Marines are only as good as the NCO's that lead them. Keep in mind that it is easy to be hard, but it is hard to be easy. Anyone can go high and to the left but only a true leader can take the time to explain why the actions of their Marines are unaceptable.

Moe

[SGT2311]

Motivated hard charging Ammo Tech. Marines are only as good as the NCO's that lead them. Keep in mind that it is easy to be hard, but it is hard to be easy. Anyone can go high and to the left but only a true leader can take the time to explain why the actions of their Marines are unaceptable.

Moe



I understand where you and everyone else is coming from but what can you do when they aren't YOUR Marines. You can't mentor someone you don't work with, You can make on the spot corrections and they can take it and then forget it as soon as you're out of sight.

[ares7]

Marines are only as good as the NCO's that lead them.

NCO's are only as good as the SNCO's that mold them :)

[Bigmoe]

Motivated hard charger. Any Marine that you out rank belongs to you. Thats the beauty of the Marine Corps.

[SEMPERMAN]

Motivated hard charger. Any Marine that you out rank belongs to you. Thats the beauty of the Marine Corps.

That is not always the case. I am a grunt and I only respect 03 SNCO's because those are the only ones I ever deal with. No disrespect to any POG's but I have never worked with anyone besides grunts. but that does not mean I am running around being nasty or disrespectful to anyone.

[SSgtB1990]

That is not always the case. I am a grunt and I only respect 03 SNCO's because those are the only ones I ever deal with. No disrespect to any POG's but I have never worked with anyone besides grunts. but that does not mean I am running around being nasty or disrespectful to anyone.

That attitude itself is nasty and disrespectful. Look disrespect up in the UCMJ and it doesn't state only 03's. In fact, read your promotion warrant. You don't get to pick and choose the superiors you render obedience to. Whatever your rank, you have an obligation to lead ANYONE under you and obey ANYONE over you.

[SEMPERMAN]

That attitude itself is nasty and disrespectful. Look disrespect up in the UCMJ and it doesn't state only 03's. In fact, read your promotion warrant. You don't get to pick and choose the superiors you render obedience to. Whatever your rank, you have an obligation to lead ANYONE under you and obey ANYONE over you.

i respect the rank dont get me wrong. But in combat I would only really trust one of my 03 SNCO's to lead me. Just because of what we do and because we do it better than anyone.

[GySgt_8000]

SEMPERMAN,

You have to think outside of your little part of the Marine Corps.
You would not be able to do anything without "POGs"
All the 782 gear that you have is ordered, issued and maintained by other Marines.
Your weapon is fixed by other Marines.
Your ammunition is provided by other Marines.
Your close air support is done by other Marines.
You would not be paid if not for othe Marines.
The intelligence provided so you can do your missions is provided by other Marines.

The list could go on and on......

[Measure Man]

i respect the rank dont get me wrong. But in combat I would only really trust one of my 03 SNCO's to lead me. Just because of what we do and because we do it better than anyone.

I"m sure many of them wouldn't trust you to process their pay...fix their aircraft...or cook their lunch.

[SSgtAllen3381]

i respect the rank dont get me wrong. But in combat I would only really trust one of my 03 SNCO's to lead me. Just because of what we do and because we do it better than anyone.

Well, I think you should let HQMC know this so they can stop the SNCO Academies. The Corps wants me to go to the Academy to be a better SNCO, but according to you I can just go to Camp Devil Dog and learn it there.

Just ribbin' you big guy, I didn't want you to think we all are kicking you in the buttocks.

[KrashKatz]

I'll tell you whats wrong with Marines these days....

They don't fear the consequences of their actions. They run their mouths all day long, cause they know nothing will happen to them. They get drunk and stupid cause the most that will happen to them is a negative counseling or worst case scinero is a page 11 entry. New Marines who recently picked up think that a page 11 or a non-rec is a career ender, so they don't want to give it to their junior Marines.

The one thing that Marines understand is when you screw with their libo and their money. I never enjoyed writing paperwork on Marines, a nice "fear of god PME" used to do the trick, but that doesn't seem to work these days.

[7thMar-4-ever]

You can tell a marine over and over and over to do whatever. It will ultimatly come down to if that marine wants to do it or not.
On base this kind of bahavior is unexeptiable.
But SNCO and officers are not their rank....(OR POLICE OFFICERS)...off of base. They are Joe McEverybody.

[GySgt_8000]

You can tell a marine over and over and over to do whatever. It will ultimatly come down to if that marine wants to do it or not.
On base this kind of bahavior is unexeptiable.
But SNCO and officers are not their rank....(OR POLICE OFFICERS)...off of base. They are Joe McEverybody.

This is a good example of what is wrong with young Marines these days.

[KrashKatz]

But SNCO and officers are not their rank....(OR POLICE OFFICERS)...off of base. They are Joe McEverybody.

I'm not sure what Corps you grew up in, but a NCO's, SNCO's, or Officer's are always their rank, on or off base. You, and every other U. S. Service member, is still subject to the UCMJ even on liberty, on or off base.

[7thMar-4-ever]

True that you are still subject to the UCMJ off of base and while on libo. But no one is thire rank when they are off base and on libo. Does a SNCO think they can pull you over if you are going to fast on the road? Yes. Do they think they can berate you and correct you in public because youre somewhere without a shave? Yes. Are they going to come to your house out in town and tell you how to arange it and tell you to clean it? No. Why? Because they know thats not legal. Where is the line between just annoying and illegal when not on base?
There is none, because we make it up as we go along.

[KrashKatz]

True that you are still subject to the UCMJ off of base and while on libo. But no one is thire rank when they are off base and on libo. Does a SNCO think they can pull you over if you are going to fast on the road? Yes. Do they think they can berate you and correct you in public because youre somewhere without a shave? Yes. Are they going to come to your house out in town and tell you how to arange it and tell you to clean it? No. Why? Because they know thats not legal. Where is the line between just annoying and illegal when not on base?
There is none, because we make it up as we go along.

If you disrespect a NCO or SNCO out in town, is it still a violation of article 91? yes.

If you are out in town without a shave, is it still a violation of an order? yes.

If your a Corporal or GySgt at work, then are you still one out in Jacksonville, Oceanside, or Joshua Tree? Yes.

I understand you want to be treated like a civilian when your out in town, but you still have to follow the Marine Corps rules, the base specific rules when your on base, and every other Marine Corps rule when your off base.

[SSgtAllen3381]

7th Mar, if you don't go out in town unshaven, dirty, speeding down the road...then you don't have to worry about a SNCO correcting you. That's plain and simple. Now, if a SNCO is yelling at you in public, then you are doing something wrong in public. Me personally, my yelling days are over (until someone gets stupid) so I can't tell you why "some" SNCO still feel the urge to yell about everything. But, I learned a long time ago, do the right thing, all the time and I won't have to worry about someone I don't know...YELLING AT ME.

[7thMar-4-ever]

ive on one occasion brought a 'higher' up on charges because they tried to pull me over out in town. Did they loose? Yes. Because the county court out here considers that impersonating a police officer.

ive on another occasion filled a harassment charge on a 'higher rank' because they yelled like a banshee at me out in town for having a shadow shave, and then reaching into my pants to get at my ID. Did they win that? No again. Because again, they are not police and caused a public disturbance along with harassing myself and my family.

[Bigmoe]

ive on one occasion brought a 'higher' up on charges because they tried to pull me over out in town. Did they loose? Yes. Because the county court out here considers that impersonating a police officer.

ive on another occasion filled a harassment charge on a 'higher rank' because they yelled like a banshee at me out in town for having a shadow shave, and then reaching into my pants to get at my ID. Did they win that? No again. Because again, they are not police and caused a public disturbance along with harassing myself and my family.

From a purely objective view point it sounds as though you have a chip on your shoulder and have a problem with authority. If you carry yourself like a Marine and act like a Marine then you will not have someone continually yelling at you and telling you what to do. Personally I have never been approached out of uniform and told I need to do something, as I have enough personal respect for myself to make sure that I am squared away before I venture out. Think before you reply and maybe you will see that the problems you are having are brought on by your own actions, for a fool laughs at correction but a wise man takes heed.

[PUALLOFF]

7th Mar, if you don't go out in town unshaven, dirty, speeding down the road...then you don't have to worry about a SNCO correcting you. That's plain and simple. Now, if a SNCO is yelling at you in public, then you are doing something wrong in public. Me personally, my yelling days are over (until someone gets stupid) so I can't tell you why "some" SNCO still feel the urge to yell about everything. But, I learned a long time ago, do the right thing, all the time and I won't have to worry about someone I don't know...YELLING AT ME.



Cowboys Suck....bunch of losers!

[SSgtB1990]

ive on one occasion brought a 'higher' up on charges because they tried to pull me over out in town. Did they loose? Yes. Because the county court out here considers that impersonating a police officer.

ive on another occasion filled a harassment charge on a 'higher rank' because they yelled like a banshee at me out in town for having a shadow shave, and then reaching into my pants to get at my ID. Did they win that? No again. Because again, they are not police and caused a public disturbance along with harassing myself and my family.

So you "won," not because you were right, but on a technicality? You should be so proud. (dripping sarcasm) Oh, and by the way, it's "lose" not "loose."

[GySgt_8000]

As I said before. This is what is wrong with Marines.

This looks like you intentionally try to get yelled at and corrected and then yell harrassment
"Oh no My feelings are hurt" Grow a pair and be a man. If you can't handle the heat get out of my kitchen.
Marines like you would hesitate to follow an order and end up getting someone killed. Do us a favor and check out.

[wzgriffith]

As I said before. This is what is wrong with Marines.

This looks like you intentionally try to get yelled at and corrected and then yell harrassment
"Oh no My feelings are hurt" Grow a pair and be a man. If you can't handle the heat get out of my kitchen.
Marines like you would hesitate to follow an order and end up getting someone killed. Do us a favor and check out.

Its not all Marines these days. There are some of us that understand the concept of being a Marines is not a day job. Its people like this that want all the benifits of being a Marine, without having to be a Marine.

[wzgriffith]

ive on one occasion brought a 'higher' up on charges because they tried to pull me over out in town. Did they loose? Yes. Because the county court out here considers that impersonating a police officer.

ive on another occasion filled a harassment charge on a 'higher rank' because they yelled like a banshee at me out in town for having a shadow shave, and then reaching into my pants to get at my ID. Did they win that? No again. Because again, they are not police and caused a public disturbance along with harassing myself and my family.

you brought them up on charges? WTF man? I'm still on my first term, but even I understand the concept of not fu*king over a fellow Marine. Way to try and mess up a fellow Marine's career. I hope you're not re-enlisting, its Marines like you that give us other junior Marines a bad name.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

ive on one occasion brought a 'higher' up on charges because they tried to pull me over out in town. Did they loose? Yes. Because the county court out here considers that impersonating a police officer.

ive on another occasion filled a harassment charge on a 'higher rank' because they yelled like a banshee at me out in town for having a shadow shave, and then reaching into my pants to get at my ID. Did they win that? No again. Because again, they are not police and caused a public disturbance along with harassing myself and my family.Damn! My Juniour Officers and Sergeants (and I) would have had such fun with you.

[GySgt_8000]

Its not all Marines these days. There are some of us that understand the concept of being a Marines is not a day job. Its people like this that want all the benifits of being a Marine, without having to be a Marine.

You are correct. There are many Marines that do the right things at the right times. It is still the same old 10% that take up 90% of the time.

[7thMar-4-ever]

Every job has standards while on the job. When i was working at McDonalds once upon a time, we couldent wear earrings, long sleve shirts, or have any facial hair while on the job.
If i ran into my boss out of work and i had a good bit of growth, did i get yelled at? no, because i wasent at work.

I understand that the Marines is differnt. If a little more than your average job. But when were in the rear, it is that: A JOB.

A job that i like being able to disconnect myself from when i get off. I dont want to be CPL. 7thmar-4-ever 24/7.

If a SNCO or Officer dosent want to be brought up on charges for impersonating a cop, or causing a public disturbance, then they SHOULDNT DO IT!!!!!

Having that rocker or bar dosent put you above anything or any law. it dosent make you a traffic cop, or dress code enforcer outside of base.

[fmrldylthrnk]

A job that i like being able to disconnect myself from when i get off. I dont want to be CPL. 7thmar-4-ever 24/7.


Then you never should have joined the Marine Corps, because, like it or not, you ARE a marine 24/7.
You should have checked out when you heard that in boot camp, because like someone else said, you're just screwing over other Marines and their careers because you don't like the lifestyle. Do everyone a favor and say goodbye when your time is up.

[KrashKatz]

7th-Mar,

Are you serious? You seem to think everyone is out to get you when you constantly keep putting yourself out there.

[fmrldylthrnk]

7th-Mar,

Are you serious? You seem to think everyone is out to get you when you constantly keep putting yourself out there.

The sad thing is that he seems to be putting himself out there on purpose, just looking for a fight.

[USMC_8156]

I'm raising the bullsh-t flag. There isn't a court anywhere near a Marine base that would interfere with Marine business, nor is there a Sergeant Major in the Corps that would back up some "Corporal" (I highly doubt 7thMar has his bloodstripe) over a SNCO who was correcting him, regardless of the location.

Coming from the same Marine who says "Women could never do my job" and "If you don't have 8% bf you're a sh-tbag", I think 7thMar's lost all credibility with anyone who even glances through more than a few threads.

[PUALLOFF]

Every job has standards while on the job. When i was working at McDonalds once upon a time, we couldent wear earrings, long sleve shirts, or have any facial hair while on the job.
If i ran into my boss out of work and i had a good bit of growth, did i get yelled at? no, because i wasent at work.

I understand that the Marines is differnt. If a little more than your average job. But when were in the rear, it is that: A JOB.

A job that i like being able to disconnect myself from when i get off. I dont want to be CPL. 7thmar-4-ever 24/7.

If a SNCO or Officer dosent want to be brought up on charges for impersonating a cop, or causing a public disturbance, then they SHOULDNT DO IT!!!!!

Having that rocker or bar dosent put you above anything or any law. it dosent make you a traffic cop, or dress code enforcer outside of base.


Dude...oh yes it does...so get over it.

[7thMar-4-ever]

Law is not a matter of personal opinion. Point being that, violating a crime in town is the same for an officer or SNCO as anyone else.
The county police out here call them the 'Wanna-Be-Citizen-Patrol.'

[7thMar-4-ever]

I've lost all credibility? Are you joaking? for what? simply because i dont agree with your point of view? Give me a break. Guess how much sleep i will loose over that? None, would be the correct anwser.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Law is not a matter of personal opinion.Would you like to bet?

Point being that, violating a crime in town is the same for an officer or SNCO as anyone else.Would you like to bet?

The county police out here call them the 'Wanna-Be-Citizen-Patrol.'Uh huh, oh sure, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh t.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

I've lost all credibility? Are you joaking? for what? simply because i dont agree with your point of view?No. I suspect that you lost all credibility because your posts make you seem like an ignorant dolt with an artificially inflated ego.

Give me a break.Son, you've had a break. Unfortunately it was with reality.

Guess how much sleep i will loose over that?Further reinforcing the image of being rather "dozy" that your posts present.

None, would be the correct anwser.Have you ever considered investing in a spell checker program? (HINT:- When doing an Internet search to find one, do NOT use "spel cheker" as your search criterion.)

[KrashKatz]

Law is not a matter of personal opinion. Point being that, violating a crime in town is the same for an officer or SNCO as anyone else.
The county police out here call them the 'Wanna-Be-Citizen-Patrol.'

Have you ever heard of a "Citizens Arrest"? Its where a "citizen", either military or non-military can detain you till the authorities come, and from there its up to the police officer who comes to write you a ticket, arrest you, or whatever it is they feel the need to do. Its not impersonating a police officer like you have mentioned in previous posts, its a practice that happens all over the US.

As far as your post above, yes, if a SNCO or Officer commits a crime out in town they will be held accountable just like everyone else. Imagine that.

[SSgtB1990]

If a SNCO or Officer dosent want to be brought up on charges for impersonating a cop, or causing a public disturbance, then they SHOULDNT DO IT!!!!!


I've worked in the legal field (military and civilian) for over ten years and NEVER would someone be brought up on charges for impersonating an officer for correcting a Marine out in town. You are completely full of it. To impersonate an officer, you have to do more than correct someone. And you HAVE to, by law, tell them that you are a police or federal officer.

Oh, and if you don't want to get corrected by a SNCO or Officer out in town, then you SHOULDN'T DO IT!!! (It, of course, being whatever you justifiably got "yelled" at for doing.)

[wzgriffith]

Every job has standards while on the job. When i was working at McDonalds once upon a time, we couldent wear earrings, long sleve shirts, or have any facial hair while on the job.
If i ran into my boss out of work and i had a good bit of growth, did i get yelled at? no, because i wasent at work.

I understand that the Marines is differnt. If a little more than your average job. But when were in the rear, it is that: A JOB.

A job that i like being able to disconnect myself from when i get off. I dont want to be CPL. 7thmar-4-ever 24/7.

If a SNCO or Officer dosent want to be brought up on charges for impersonating a cop, or causing a public disturbance, then they SHOULDNT DO IT!!!!!

Having that rocker or bar dosent put you above anything or any law. it dosent make you a traffic cop, or dress code enforcer outside of base.

Dude, are you serious? Being a Marine, no matter where you are, is NEVER a 9-5 job. When you are off base do you tell people you're a Marine. You can't get the respect that a Marine deserves without putting in the effort. There's a reason we are the most respected military branch in the world. We hold ourselves to a higher standard at all times, thats why we're the "Few the Proud," not the "Few the Proud (as long as we're on base or at work"). I can't believe you have the nerve to compare being a Marine to working at McDonalds.

[ringjamesa]

Ok, I'm not a Marine but I am a SNCO (E-7). I can tell you that while I may not like correcting people on my time off, if they are doing something stupid I will let them know. I will try to be civil and just make the correction and move on but if they get belligerant, there have to be consequences. You say that I am not SNCO when I leave the base? I beg to differ. I have responsibilities whether I am at work or not and I take them seriouxly.

[wzgriffith]

[QUOTE=7thMar-4-ever;83260]

I dont want to be CPL. 7thmar-4-ever 24/7.

QUOTE]

You're a Corporal? Sh*t, I'd love to see the kind of Marines you're molding.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Cowboys Suck....bunch of losers!

Wow, way to comeback with something intelligent. :rolleyes:

[PUALLOFF]

Wow, way to comeback with something intelligent. :rolleyes:

Now you are off the topic....but they do suck until they retract "America's Team"

[SEMPERMAN]

Damn! My Juniour Officers and Sergeants (and I) would have had such fun with you.

Yeah whatever, you guys need to chill with all this motto do the right thing bull shit. You all know that one way or another you have all broken some regulation. Get off your high horse and stop acting like you are perfect Marines. I dont know about all you POG's but in the grunts we have a way different view on things. Thank god I ain't some pencil pusher in the fleet who gets off on correcting jr marines.

[fmrldylthrnk]

Yeah whatever, you guys need to chill with all this motto do the right thing bull shit. You all know that one way or another you have all broken some regulation. Get off your high horse and stop acting like you are perfect Marines. I dont know about all you POG's but in the grunts we have a way different view on things. Thank god I ain't some pencil pusher in the fleet who gets off on correcting jr marines.

Here we go with the POG argument. Gotta love that not only are marines cocky, but you put an 03 into the mix, the ego inflates to astronomical proportions.
You're right, we should all just shut up and let the "real Marines" tell us all how to do things. Especially the guys who've been in the fleet for 5 minutes because the 03 in their MOS trumps experience.

[SEMPERMAN]

Here we go with the POG argument. Gotta love that not only are marines cocky, but you put an 03 into the mix, the ego inflates to astronomical proportions.
You're right, we should all just shut up and let the "real Marines" tell us all how to do things. Especially the guys who've been in the fleet for 5 minutes because the 03 in their MOS trumps experience.

Exactly Shut Your Mouth Woman:)

[GySgt_8000]

Yeah whatever, you guys need to chill with all this motto do the right thing bull shit. You all know that one way or another you have all broken some regulation. Get off your high horse and stop acting like you are perfect Marines. I dont know about all you POG's but in the grunts we have a way different view on things. Thank god I ain't some pencil pusher in the fleet who gets off on correcting jr marines.

Please enlighten me on The GRUNT's view on things. As a POG that has been serving for over 18 years I have spent quite a few of them on the ground side and I am guessing that you are going to give me Semperman's view instead of the grunt view.

[fmrldylthrnk]

Exactly Shut Your Mouth Woman:)


Yeah, I'm laughing...

[Odin]

RAWR! ANGRY! LOUD NOISES......WHY ARE WE YELLING!!!! I love lamp.

[fmrldylthrnk]

ROFL!
Do you really love the lamp, or are you just naming things you see?

[Odin]

Would you like to go to this party with me. Its got pants, its a pants party. Would you go with me to the Pants Party?(Trying to lighten up the conversation guys)

[fmrldylthrnk]

Would you like to go to this party with me. Its got pants, its a pants party. Would you go with me to the Pants Party?(Trying to lighten up the conversation guys)

Are you trying to say there's a party in your pants and I'm invited?



Marines these days watch too many stupid movies and quote them ad nauseum, lol! Yours truly included.

[Odin]

Yes...will you go with me?

Agreed that Marines quote dumb movies.

[ringjamesa]

It isn't just Marines. Pretty much all guys quote movies-good and bad ones.

[fmrldylthrnk]

And girls--I have practically every Will Ferrell movie memorized.
Marines these days... (staying on topic)

[RM2SWUSNRET]

Well let me tell you what is wrong with the corps.

As a father of a marine sgt and a retired sailor that was on 2 amphibs with marines I know. One when a you marines put in there paper work for tuition assistance and is told that they are there to fight wars not go to school. is a slap in there face. One of reasons my son joined the corps was for education. how can he get it if everytime he puts in his paperwork he is told wait till he gets out.s where is the SNCO there to councel him and work with him. I understand that there is a shooting war going on in iraq and afghanistam. but to deny the marine time to go to school at night is totally wrong. this means that the corps could care less about there troops. they put on a face saying that they can go to school on there off time then get told we are fighting a war. it is kind of funny that the army navy and the air force are going in there off time to attend college. but the marines can't sign there paperwork so this man who is dedicated as they come to supporting the marines in what he has to do. this is just one reason that many first and 2nd term marines get out and want nothing to do with the marines. I know from talking to people that the retention in the corps and the navy is not good. one is iraq, the other is not keeping there promise so that these young men and women getting time after knock off to go attend college. so that they have a head start on college when they finally get out. As a fatther of a marine and a dad of a sailor. I fully support these services. but to tell a mairne that it is more important to fight wars that give them approval to go to college in there off time is totally ridiclious. it is unfair to the member and is wrong.


V/R


LON K. HE'BERT, RM2(SW), USN, RET

PS,

When I was in the navy even onboard ship there was always time to go to school. when we were inport as long as our PQS-Personnel Qualfications Standards were done we could attend college on base or off. even marines attended with me.

[GySgt_8000]

Well let me tell you what is wrong with the corps.

As a father of a marine sgt and a retired sailor that was on 2 amphibs with marines I know. One when a you marines put in there paper work for tuition assistance and is told that they are there to fight wars not go to school. is a slap in there face. One of reasons my son joined the corps was for education. how can he get it if everytime he puts in his paperwork he is told wait till he gets out.s where is the SNCO there to councel him and work with him. I understand that there is a shooting war going on in iraq and afghanistam. but to deny the marine time to go to school at night is totally wrong. this means that the corps could care less about there troops. they put on a face saying that they can go to school on there off time then get told we are fighting a war. it is kind of funny that the army navy and the air force are going in there off time to attend college. but the marines can't sign there paperwork so this man who is dedicated as they come to supporting the marines in what he has to do. this is just one reason that many first and 2nd term marines get out and want nothing to do with the marines. I know from talking to people that the retention in the corps and the navy is not good. one is iraq, the other is not keeping there promise so that these young men and women getting time after knock off to go attend college. so that they have a head start on college when they finally get out. As a fatther of a marine and a dad of a sailor. I fully support these services. but to tell a mairne that it is more important to fight wars that give them approval to go to college in there off time is totally ridiclious. it is unfair to the member and is wrong.
V/R
LON K. HE'BERT, RM2(SW), USN, RET
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It will always be more important for Marines to fight wars than to go to school. Our mission is to fight America's battles not sit behind a desk at school. TA is a benefit it is not a right. Your son can use the GI Bill after he gets out to go to school if he participated in the program. Right now it is a time of War and everything else should be second. Mission accomplishment comes before troop welfare.

[Bigmoe]

Well let me tell you what is wrong with the corps.

As a father of a marine sgt and a retired sailor that was on 2 amphibs with marines I know. One when a you marines put in there paper work for tuition assistance and is told that they are there to fight wars not go to school. is a slap in there face. One of reasons my son joined the corps was for education. how can he get it if everytime he puts in his paperwork he is told wait till he gets out.s where is the SNCO there to councel him and work with him. I understand that there is a shooting war going on in iraq and afghanistam. but to deny the marine time to go to school at night is totally wrong. this means that the corps could care less about there troops. they put on a face saying that they can go to school on there off time then get told we are fighting a war. it is kind of funny that the army navy and the air force are going in there off time to attend college. but the marines can't sign there paperwork so this man who is dedicated as they come to supporting the marines in what he has to do. this is just one reason that many first and 2nd term marines get out and want nothing to do with the marines. I know from talking to people that the retention in the corps and the navy is not good. one is iraq, the other is not keeping there promise so that these young men and women getting time after knock off to go attend college. so that they have a head start on college when they finally get out. As a fatther of a marine and a dad of a sailor. I fully support these services. but to tell a mairne that it is more important to fight wars that give them approval to go to college in there off time is totally ridiclious. it is unfair to the member and is wrong.


V/R


LON K. HE'BERT, RM2(SW), USN, RET

PS,

When I was in the navy even onboard ship there was always time to go to school. when we were inport as long as our PQS-Personnel Qualfications Standards were done we could attend college on base or off. even marines attended with me.[\=]

I understand what you are saying, but anyone who joined the Marine Corps with the intent of going to college while still on active duty is some what naive. The Marine Corps is all about accomplishing the mission and then if there is time a Marine may be permited to attend college. It is absoulutely more important to train and as you put it "fights wars" then it is to attend college while on active duty. Your son had a choice to attend college before he joined the Marine Corps and he still chose to join the Marine Corps over going to college. So now his primary goal is to be a war fighter not a college student.

[KrashKatz]

RM2,

Sounds like your problem is more with the Marine Corps, then the Marines in it. If your son is really that ambitious about going to college, then the Marine Corps has programs that can help him, such as MECEP. (Marine Enlisted Commissioning Education Program.) The basic run down is, if he pays for the college, they pay him his basic pay, bah, etc. As long as he can get accepted to a school that has a NROTC.

Info: https://www.marines.usmc.mil/G3/Officer/mecep.htm

[KrashKatz]

Yeah whatever, you guys need to chill with all this motto do the right thing bull shit.

Maybe if someone had shown you some love (ie hazed the shit out of you) when you were coming through the ranks you wouldn't be all about your "lets be buddies and not correct people when they're wrong" mentality.


You all know that one way or another you have all broken some regulation.

I did chew gum and walk in cammies once back in 2004.


Get off your high horse and stop acting like you are perfect Marines.

I don't recall anyone saying they were perfect, but it never hurts to try and improve. Hold on... I have to adjust the saddle.


I dont know about all you POG's but in the grunts we have a way different view on things.

The grunts "different way of doing things" doesn't seem to be serving you well.



Thank god I ain't some pencil pusher in the fleet who gets off on correcting jr marines.

It looks like its up to the "pencil pushers" to do the correcting since the grunts and half of the Marines in the Corps can't seem it do it.
Since you brought up the pencil pusher subject, Marines is spelled with a capital "M." We do this cause we take pride in our Corps, and it appears to be something your lacking.

I'm sure your going to read this, sit in front your computer, take about 30 minutes to think of a moderately creative response and type it by poking the keyboard with your index fingers. So while your thinking about your respose, ask yourself, "Am I whats wrong with Marines these days?"

[SSgtAllen3381]

Well let me tell you what is wrong with the corps.

As a father of a marine sgt and a retired sailor that was on 2 amphibs with marines I know. One when a you marines put in there paper work for tuition assistance and is told that they are there to fight wars not go to school. is a slap in there face. One of reasons my son joined the corps was for education. how can he get it if everytime he puts in his paperwork he is told wait till he gets out.s where is the SNCO there to councel him and work with him. I understand that there is a shooting war going on in iraq and afghanistam. but to deny the marine time to go to school at night is totally wrong. this means that the corps could care less about there troops. they put on a face saying that they can go to school on there off time then get told we are fighting a war. it is kind of funny that the army navy and the air force are going in there off time to attend college. but the marines can't sign there paperwork so this man who is dedicated as they come to supporting the marines in what he has to do. this is just one reason that many first and 2nd term marines get out and want nothing to do with the marines. I know from talking to people that the retention in the corps and the navy is not good. one is iraq, the other is not keeping there promise so that these young men and women getting time after knock off to go attend college. so that they have a head start on college when they finally get out. As a fatther of a marine and a dad of a sailor. I fully support these services. but to tell a mairne that it is more important to fight wars that give them approval to go to college in there off time is totally ridiclious. it is unfair to the member and is wrong.


V/R


LON K. HE'BERT, RM2(SW), USN, RET

PS,

When I was in the navy even onboard ship there was always time to go to school. when we were inport as long as our PQS-Personnel Qualfications Standards were done we could attend college on base or off. even marines attended with me.


It's unfortunate that your son can't attend college. Is he in a deployed status right now? There are few chances that he can attend college while in Iraq, that would be online classes. My first four years in the Corps, none of my leaders EVER mentioned college to me, and I had no desire to attend. When I came back into the Corps in 96, college was then preached to me and I still had no desire to go, I was happy just being back in the Marines and deploying (2/6). But, as I get older and had time to go to class, I went and recieved counseling. When I was mentally prepared and the Corps paid for 100% of my tuition, I decided to sign up. Granted, I was at a base unit and there was a college on base and I went for it.

To make a short story great, I attended college and was only 10 credit hours short of my degree while I was on Instructor Duty; a few years back. Unfortunately for me, I have to now finish my last few hours online and for me that bites. BUT, I was persistant in my desire to finish college before I deploy again and I had to suck it up and do online courses. I also made it clear to the junior Marines under me, that they can attend college courses as well, and one of the 15 actually went and signed up immediately following the brief.

So, yes, we are a fighting force, but like I've been told since I came in the Corps...KNOWLEDGE IS POWER.

[wzgriffith]

Well let me tell you what is wrong with the corps.

As a father of a marine sgt and a retired sailor that was on 2 amphibs with marines I know. One when a you marines put in there paper work for tuition assistance and is told that they are there to fight wars not go to school. is a slap in there face. One of reasons my son joined the corps was for education. how can he get it if everytime he puts in his paperwork he is told wait till he gets out.s where is the SNCO there to councel him and work with him. I understand that there is a shooting war going on in iraq and afghanistam. but to deny the marine time to go to school at night is totally wrong. this means that the corps could care less about there troops. they put on a face saying that they can go to school on there off time then get told we are fighting a war. it is kind of funny that the army navy and the air force are going in there off time to attend college. but the marines can't sign there paperwork so this man who is dedicated as they come to supporting the marines in what he has to do. this is just one reason that many first and 2nd term marines get out and want nothing to do with the marines. I know from talking to people that the retention in the corps and the navy is not good. one is iraq, the other is not keeping there promise so that these young men and women getting time after knock off to go attend college. so that they have a head start on college when they finally get out. As a fatther of a marine and a dad of a sailor. I fully support these services. but to tell a mairne that it is more important to fight wars that give them approval to go to college in there off time is totally ridiclious. it is unfair to the member and is wrong.


V/R


LON K. HE'BERT, RM2(SW), USN, RET

PS,

When I was in the navy even onboard ship there was always time to go to school. when we were inport as long as our PQS-Personnel Qualfications Standards were done we could attend college on base or off. even marines attended with me.

I say the same thing to anyone who says anything about joining for college. If you join the military for education, go air force. The Marine Corps is too high tempo to count on getting time off for school. It also depends on your command. Here, everyone and their mother is going to school. Back in Oki? 80+ hours a week at work with an understaffed job makes that a bit difficult.

[Mateo820506]

NOTHING! Nothing is wrong with Marines these days. The question isn't even what is wrong with society these days. We are humans and have always had some sick, stupid, and accentric people. It doesn't matter what time period, culture, race, or nationality. We will always be that way.

[e3grunt]

most marines cant care. if u are a e-3 or an e-4 with 2 tours under your belt, do u realy think that marine is gonna listen to some sgt who has never been deployed?

[iluvdrt]

most marines cant care. if u are a e-3 or an e-4 with 2 tours under your belt, do u realy think that marine is gonna listen to some sgt who has never been deployed?


Yes. They will listen to my Sgt's.

Deploying is part of the job, and it does not give you ammunity to gaff off any NCO, or SNCO because they may not have, dispite what you might think. There are A LOT of circumstances which you dont know that will prevent Marines from deploying,, in which they have no control over. Uncle Sam puts us where he needs us, and every job is just as important as the next.

[AH/U1HMECH]

most marines cant care. if u are a e-3 or an e-4 with 2 tours under your belt, do u realy think that marine is gonna listen to some sgt who has never been deployed?

90% of the Marine Corps has MULTIPLE combat deployments, and yes read your promotion warrant, you will listen.

[fmrldylthrnk]

most marines cant care. if u are a e-3 or an e-4 with 2 tours under your belt, do u realy think that marine is gonna listen to some sgt who has never been deployed?

I LOVE GRUNT LCPLS!!! ;)
They are perfect fodder for every infantry cliche and stereotype...
Maturity will broaden your horizons, young one.
We can only wait and laugh until that time arriveth.

[e3grunt]

I LOVE GRUNT LCPLS!!! ;)
They are perfect fodder for every infantry cliche and stereotype...
Maturity will broaden your horizons, young one.
We can only wait and laugh until that time arriveth.


lol i know what are u saying
i still listen to my sgts tho. i landed at caxs for the second time and some embark tried yelling at me for my hair cut in frount of his marines to make himself look better. yes i should listen to him, but i real did just gaff him off becuse im in regs, give him a oorah and walk away.

what point i was trying to make is, should some supply sgt who is out of shape, never deployed , real just a waste of rifle, try to yell at me for a haricut, he realy can just go fuck himself. most people have to earn respect, not use the rank to get respect.

i realy dont know where im going with this, but i earn my paychecks and i;ll be danmed if some one will say other wise

[e3grunt]

I LOVE GRUNT LCPLS!!! ;)
They are perfect fodder for every infantry cliche and stereotype...
Maturity will broaden your horizons, young one.
We can only wait and laugh until that time arriveth.


90% of the Marine Corps has MULTIPLE combat deployments, and yes read your promotion warrant, you will listen.

there is a big diffrance from sitting at aq,tq,allasd or any main base, and living on a fob doing patrolls eveyday. im not saying any ones job is more important, but there is a diffrance from someone who works at the px at aq, and some one who lives on a fob out side of aq.

[AH/U1HMECH]

[QUOTE=e3grunt;95888]lol i know what are u saying
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what point i was trying to make is, should some supply sgt who is out of shape, never deployed , real just a waste of rifle, try to yell at me for a haricut, he realy can just go fuck himself. most people have to earn respect, not use the rank to get respect.


So, if a Sgt, you didnt know or was from another unit, told you to do something and you told him to fuck off, would he be wrong for charging you for dissrespect?

[e3grunt]

no he wouldnt be wroung. im just gonna smile and do what im told, or just gaff it off.

[SGT6124]

no he wouldnt be wroung. im just gonna smile and do what im told, or just gaff it off.

That's ok young puppy. (since I can't call you devil dog) The older generation can see the silver spoon haning out of your mouth and we will correct you and take care of you accordingly. It's funny that you spill words out of your mouth like you know what your talking about, an then revert back to " I don't know where I was going with that." Sounds like you are a bit confused there chap.

[social-catastrophy721]

e3 just has that natural grunt mentality of im a real marine. if you make it through boot camp, then guess what, you're a real marine no matter what your job, we all put cammies on when we wake up to go to work. but back to the subject, there's a lot more wrong with the marine corps today than people walking around in flip flops and having scruff on their face on the weekends. im guilty of wearing flip flops all the time cuz their comfortable, and i will continue to wear them. that doesn't make me a bad marine, cuz i still conduct myself in a fashionable manor when im out in town. i think we should be more concerned on how our senoir leadership is spiraling down the drain. oohrah!!!

[e3grunt]

That's ok young puppy. (since I can't call you devil dog) The older generation can see the silver spoon haning out of your mouth and we will correct you and take care of you accordingly. It's funny that you spill words out of your mouth like you know what your talking about, an then revert back to " I don't know where I was going with that." Sounds like you are a bit confused there chap.

lol thanks for not calling me devil dog, but what was silver spoon feed to me? what could u realy have gone trew that could be so much more differnt then me???? im pretty sure i earned my shit and c.a.r so what more do i need?

[SGT6124]

lol thanks for not calling me devil dog, but what was silver spoon feed to me? what could u realy have gone trew that could be so much more differnt then me???? im pretty sure i earned my shit and c.a.r so what more do i need?

Devil Dog, apparently you need to do some research and find out what "silver spoon" means first of all. Second, type your paragraph in microsoft word, spell check it, and then copy and paste here. I don't understand what the heck your trying to say...what the heck is trew? I will assume you mean threw, or through which is what you should have said. Anyhow, im pretty sure you got your c.a.r. because you did your job...not to sure you have to say you earned it, but if that is how you feel, then so be it.

[fmrldylthrnk]

lol thanks for not calling me devil dog,

I have to be honest and say that made me throw up in my mouth a little.
A Marine saying "thanks for not calling me devil dog"...oh, it's coming back up.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Who said you can't call a Marine DEVIL DOG? I say BULL SQUAT! I will continue to call Marines DEVIL DOG, I don't say it to "degrade" anyone, and if any one thinks that...GROW UP.

[SSgtAllen3381]

e3 just has that natural grunt mentality of im a real marine. if you make it through boot camp, then guess what, you're a real marine no matter what your job, we all put cammies on when we wake up to go to work. but back to the subject, there's a lot more wrong with the marine corps today than people walking around in flip flops and having scruff on their face on the weekends. im guilty of wearing flip flops all the time cuz their comfortable, and i will continue to wear them. that doesn't make me a bad marine, cuz i still conduct myself in a fashionable manor when im out in town. i think we should be more concerned on how our senoir leadership is spiraling down the drain. oohrah!!!

Spiraling down the drain? You just admitted to wearing flip flops and you know you aren't supposed to be wearing them on liberty. I assume you are wearing them on libbo because you said, "I will keep wearing them" and I know you didn't mean you will wear them around your house.

If I'm wearing my flip flops, unshaven and going to the PX and one of my Marines sees me...WHAT CAN I SAY? What can I do?

Does that make you a bad Marine? YES...you are purposely disobeying Marine Corps reg's, end of story. OOH-RAH back!!!!

[wzgriffith]

Spiraling down the drain? You just admitted to wearing flip flops and you know you aren't supposed to be wearing them on liberty. I assume you are wearing them on libbo because you said, "I will keep wearing them" and I know you didn't mean you will wear them around your house.

If I'm wearing my flip flops, unshaven and going to the PX and one of my Marines sees me...WHAT CAN I SAY? What can I do?

Does that make you a bad Marine? YES...you are purposely disobeying Marine Corps reg's, end of story. OOH-RAH back!!!!

Flip flops (or "thong style sandals") are actually allowed per MCO. Base orders differ though. Camp Pendleton base order says they are allowed, MCRD SD base order says they arn't. It depends on your command. This boils down to knowing the rules before you go devil doggin someone. The fact that he thought he was going against the rules is still f-ed up. So, he is in the wrong.

Good rule of thumb though...stay off base if you're unshaven and looking like ass.

[fmrldylthrnk]

Go to K-Bay, flip flops and tank tops wherever you may be...
And Aloha Fridays. -sigh-

[ghb2513]

Go to K-Bay, flip flops and tank tops wherever you may be...
And Aloha Fridays. -sigh-

It's Hawaii..............the beach, the sun etc.

Of course it's authorized here.

Like it's already been pointed out here, there are different rules at every base command.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Flip flops (or "thong style sandals") are actually allowed per MCO. Base orders differ though. Camp Pendleton base order says they are allowed, MCRD SD base order says they arn't. It depends on your command. This boils down to knowing the rules before you go devil doggin someone. The fact that he thought he was going against the rules is still f-ed up. So, he is in the wrong.

Good rule of thumb though...stay off base if you're unshaven and looking like ass.

Sandals are different than flip flops and he said flip flops. I don't think any flip flop should be worn on liberty, unless one is at the beach or the pool. But, to each his own I guess.

[fmrldylthrnk]

It's Hawaii..............the beach, the sun etc.

Of course it's authorized here.

Like it's already been pointed out here, there are different rules at every base command.

That was more of a "I wish I was back in Hawaii" post than an argument, sorry. :tongue:

[wzgriffith]

Sandals are different than flip flops and he said flip flops. I don't think any flip flop should be worn on liberty, unless one is at the beach or the pool. But, to each his own I guess.

Ummm... "Thong-style sandals" are flip flops. So, those are allowed. It's when people act on personal prefence in correcting a Marine that problems arise. We need to know the orders before we go devil dogging a Marine for his civillian attire.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Ummm... "Thong-style sandals" are flip flops. So, those are allowed. It's when people act on personal prefence in correcting a Marine that problems arise. We need to know the orders before we go devil dogging a Marine for his civillian attire.

UMMMM...he said FLIP FLOPS (once again) and I will devil dog a Marine if he's doing well or if he's out of regs.

[Former_Marine_23]

UMMMM...he said FLIP FLOPS (once again) and I will devil dog a Marine if he's doing well or if he's out of regs.


Regardless of what he called them, the order from HQMC says that sandals (as long as they are not designed for primary use in the shower) are authorized, with or without socks. I call them flip flops and I interpret that as beach sandles. As long as they aren't the Marine Corps issue black shower shoes you get in boot camp, then there shouldn't be an issue. What I've noticed here both with the one Marine claiming to wear them against regulations and the SSgt claiming that he will correct any Marine who has them on is that neither one of you knew the order before jumping in on this. That's one of the biggest problems in my opinion is Marines running around as the fashion police when they don't know the Marine Corps orders in the first place. Well go ahead and try and correct Marines anyway but stand by to get told (respectfully of course) that you're wrong.

I can speak first hand on this because when my unit got back from Iraq a few years ago, our Bn CO authorized plain white t-shirts and flip flops for 48 hours after our return so Marines had time to go to the Mall or what have you and get clothes or their things out of storage. Well we went out the first night back to celebrate and sitting in the Olive Garden, two Marines came up to my buddy saying they were Marine SSgt's and that he was out of regs for wearing a plain white t-shirt and that there was a Gunny over at their table who was about to lose his mind if he didn't leave the restaurant. I politely stepped in and informed them tht we had just gotten back from Iraq and our commander had authorized said white t-shirt. They promptly returned to their table and not another word was said. So before you go correcting other Marines, know what you're talking about first.

[SGT6124]

Yeh I will agree with your statement to a degree. Like you said, your co had authorized it. If I don't work in your area how the hell would I know that? You fail to see the point that those Marines had the balls to say something to you, whether they were right or wrong. Since obviously they couldn't read your minds.

[Former_Marine_23]

Yeh I will agree with your statement to a degree. Like you said, your co had authorized it. If I don't work in your area how the hell would I know that? You fail to see the point that those Marines had the balls to say something to you, whether they were right or wrong. Since obviously they couldn't read your minds.

Granted! However, I think a more tactful way of approaching the situation because the SNCO's aren't mind readers would have been to come over and say, "Hey Marine, are you authorized to wear that attire out in public?" instead of telling him he was wrong and throwing out there that the Gunny at their table was about to lose his mind. I don't fault them though and I do think it was good on them to step up and say something because a lot of the time, I think it is situation dependant. Now someone who is obiously disregarding any base or Marine Corps order should be put in his place. There really is no excuse for showing up on base with baggy shorts and unshaved.

[SGT6124]

It would be nice in a perfect world. That's how I correct Marines, but then again it just makes sense to do it that way, since they actually have to pause and think about the situation instead of just yelling at them. Although, other Marines leadership abilities differ. If they feel they have to yell at someone, which you usually do because a Marine will 9 times out of 10 smart off and say, "this is authorized", then so be it.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Regardless of what he called them, the order from HQMC says that sandals (as long as they are not designed for primary use in the shower) are authorized, with or without socks. I call them flip flops and I interpret that as beach sandles. As long as they aren't the Marine Corps issue black shower shoes you get in boot camp, then there shouldn't be an issue. What I've noticed here both with the one Marine claiming to wear them against regulations and the SSgt claiming that he will correct any Marine who has them on is that neither one of you knew the order before jumping in on this. That's one of the biggest problems in my opinion is Marines running around as the fashion police when they don't know the Marine Corps orders in the first place. Well go ahead and try and correct Marines anyway but stand by to get told (respectfully of course) that you're wrong.

I can speak first hand on this because when my unit got back from Iraq a few years ago, our Bn CO authorized plain white t-shirts and flip flops for 48 hours after our return so Marines had time to go to the Mall or what have you and get clothes or their things out of storage. Well we went out the first night back to celebrate and sitting in the Olive Garden, two Marines came up to my buddy saying they were Marine SSgt's and that he was out of regs for wearing a plain white t-shirt and that there was a Gunny over at their table who was about to lose his mind if he didn't leave the restaurant. I politely stepped in and informed them tht we had just gotten back from Iraq and our commander had authorized said white t-shirt. They promptly returned to their table and not another word was said. So before you go correcting other Marines, know what you're talking about first.

Before you start adding quotes in your message...READ WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON FIRST. I've already said numerous times....HE SAID FLIP FLOPS and that's what I was referring too. Flip flops are just that, plastic cheap pieces of crap and shouldn't be worn on liberty. HOW HARD IS THAT TO UNDERSTAND? Will I correct a Marine for wearing them? YES, I do it every damn day...EVERY WHERE IN PUBLIC.

A CO allowing Marines to wear white t-shirts and flip flops for 48 hours? GET THE F**K out of here! Who the hell in their right mind would blatantly disregard a MCO and allow Marines to do such a thing? The PX was open I'm sure that day "you" got back and damn sure it was open the next day. White T-shirts and flip flops...you can do better than that to try and make up a great story to go against something someone said.

So, before you go correcting MARINES, know what you are talking about FIRST.

[SGT6124]

SSgt,

He doesn't pay attention, he has showed that numerous times in the forums. He makes a smart remark to someone about not answering his questions, although you already told him 4 times in big bold letters. Just thought you should know who your dealing with before you waste your time. He is in 1st Mar Civ Div anyhow. That was a good made up story though, I thought it was entertaining. HA, white t-shirts and flip flops....right...

[SSgtAllen3381]

SSgt,

He doesn't pay attention, he has showed that numerous times in the forums. He makes a smart remark to someone about not answering his questions, although you already told him 4 times in big bold letters. Just thought you should know who your dealing with before you waste your time. He is in 1st Mar Civ Div anyhow. That was a good made up story though, I thought it was entertaining. HA, white t-shirts and flip flops....right...

Thanks for the heads up, but I was done with him after that anyway.

Take care

[Radar_Marine]

Regardless of what he called them, the order from HQMC says that sandals (as long as they are not designed for primary use in the shower) are authorized, with or without socks. I call them flip flops and I interpret that as beach sandles. As long as they aren't the Marine Corps issue black shower shoes you get in boot camp, then there shouldn't be an issue. What I've noticed here both with the one Marine claiming to wear them against regulations and the SSgt claiming that he will correct any Marine who has them on is that neither one of you knew the order before jumping in on this. That's one of the biggest problems in my opinion is Marines running around as the fashion police when they don't know the Marine Corps orders in the first place. Well go ahead and try and correct Marines anyway but stand by to get told (respectfully of course) that you're wrong.

I can speak first hand on this because when my unit got back from Iraq a few years ago, our Bn CO authorized plain white t-shirts and flip flops for 48 hours after our return so Marines had time to go to the Mall or what have you and get clothes or their things out of storage. Well we went out the first night back to celebrate and sitting in the Olive Garden, two Marines came up to my buddy saying they were Marine SSgt's and that he was out of regs for wearing a plain white t-shirt and that there was a Gunny over at their table who was about to lose his mind if he didn't leave the restaurant. I politely stepped in and informed them tht we had just gotten back from Iraq and our commander had authorized said white t-shirt. They promptly returned to their table and not another word was said. So before you go correcting other Marines, know what you're talking about first.

Interesting...


By the way, I've got a bridge for sale at a great price! Anyone interested?

[Former_Marine_23]

Thanks for the heads up, but I was done with him after that anyway.

Take care

SSgt,
First you said that Marines shouldn't wear flip flops in public unless they're at the beach or pool. Then you said that they shouldn't be worn on liberty period and that you correct Marines every damn day, every where in public. So which is it?

And in regards to the second half of your message, that MCO is up to the commanders discretion. But since you're obviously so knowledgable on all that is the Marine Corps, you knew that already. And not that I have to justify myself to you but yes, it did actually happen. How many PX's on base do you know that are open at 2200 when the Marines get back? Or how many Marines after getting back from Iraq are going to go to the PX and buy their clothes? So yes, our commander did authorize such an action for 48 hours because he's not an idiot who expected his Marines to wear green on green or dirty cammies for the first days back from Iraq.

And for the Meritorious Sgt, try not to choke on the SSgt's D**K when you're trying to impress him. No wonder you made meritorious Sgt! If your head was any farther up his ass, you'd be conjoined twins. It's funny how you were just agreeing with me about how to correct the Marine and then as soon as SSgt Allen says something, well by god if you didn't jump on his bandwagon. Strange that you didn't think the story was made up and funny before he mentioned it. Again, you just show the type of Marine you are, not really voicing your own opinions but just going along with the popular sentiment. And yeah, it did take you 4 posts to answer my question. Just because you type in BIG BOLD LETTERS doesn't mean that the answer is changing. It's strange that when I corrected you in the other forums and actually showed you the quote where you were wrong, you didn't write back anymore? Aww, did I hurt your feelings or possibly make you realize that you aren't the brightest crayon in the box? I'm sorry! I won't talk down to you and make you feel ignorant for you stupid comments anymore. Can we be friends now? Pretty Please?

[Radar_Marine]

[QUOTE=Former_Marine_23;99046]Aww, did I hurt your feelings or possibly make you realize that you aren't the brightest crayon in the box?[QUOTE]

Man, I must be confused. It sounded like your entire rant there was because your feelings were hurt. :tongue:

(Vicious ribbing comes with the job. Or at least it does in my shop :D If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, why rant about it?)

[Former_Marine_23]

[QUOTE=Former_Marine_23;99046]Aww, did I hurt your feelings or possibly make you realize that you aren't the brightest crayon in the box?[QUOTE]

Man, I must be confused. It sounded like your entire rant there was because your feelings were hurt. :tongue:

(Vicious ribbing comes with the job. Or at least it does in my shop :D If the shoe fits, wear it. If not, why rant about it?)

Radar,
I'm not hurt...lol. The Sgt above just amazes me sometimes with his comments and frequent attempts at being witty in order to impress. My experience has always been that if nothing gets said, it just continues. There's no reason I should sit here and let the guy drag my name through the mud. If he's really that hurt about it though, we can always meet up on Pendleton and I'll buy him some Domino's or something. I understand the vicious ribbing though. Just part of being a Marine. If you don't have thick skin, then you're never going to make it!

Semper Fi!

[SGT6124]

Radar,
I'm not hurt...lol. The Sgt above just amazes me sometimes with his comments and frequent attempts at being witty in order to impress. My experience has always been that if nothing gets said, it just continues. There's no reason I should sit here and let the guy drag my name through the mud. If he's really that hurt about it though, we can always meet up on Pendleton and I'll buy him some Domino's or something. I understand the vicious ribbing though. Just part of being a Marine. If you don't have thick skin, then you're never going to make it!

Semper Fi![/QUOTE]

Wow, Immature, but then again I expect that from someone who couldn't make it to Sgt. Good luck being a civilian since you couldn't hack it.

[Former_Marine_23]

Radar,
I'm not hurt...lol. The Sgt above just amazes me sometimes with his comments and frequent attempts at being witty in order to impress. My experience has always been that if nothing gets said, it just continues. There's no reason I should sit here and let the guy drag my name through the mud. If he's really that hurt about it though, we can always meet up on Pendleton and I'll buy him some Domino's or something. I understand the vicious ribbing though. Just part of being a Marine. If you don't have thick skin, then you're never going to make it!

Semper Fi!

Wow, Immature, but then again I expect that from someone who couldn't make it to Sgt. Good luck being a civilian since you couldn't hack it.[/QUOTE]

Right, I got out because I couldn't hack it...that's laughable. It couldn't possibly be because I want to support my family and provide them many of the things that the military can't offer. It couldn't possibly be that I make 4x what you do a year and have already made more in 3 months doing what I am now than what my entire re-enlistment bonus would have given me for staying in for 4 more years. For some strange reason, you think I hate the Marine Corps or am bitter about my experiences that I had. Well I'll tell you what. You have fun doing 20 in the Marine Corps, good on you. I'll be retired at 40 to but instead of only having my pension coming in monthly, I'll also have my kids college paid for and have a nest egg that will let my wife and I live wherever we want. I didn't get out because I couldn't hack it you unassuming moron. I got out because it gives me and my family the opportunities and financial income that you'll never have. So don't go criticizing someone for getting out because you don't think they can hack it. You are about as far out in left field as it gets and someone needs to reel you back in before you hurt yourself or worse yet, one of your Marines.

[SGT6124]

Sounds like you need a tissue over there, since you are whining up a storm. Oh yeh, your big pension should be able to cover that. Why don't you go to your high falutin' buddy civilian forums and leave the low pension heroes alone. Since you are obviously so much better than us we peons..what a looser.

[Former_Marine_23]

Sounds like you need a tissue over there, since you are whining up a storm. Oh yeh, your big pension should be able to cover that. Why don't you go to your high falutin' buddy civilian forums and leave the low pension heroes alone. Since you are obviously so much better than us we peons..what a looser.

Wow, for someone who is so quick to tell others they make no sense and that they need to spell check their posts before submitting them, you sure suck at it. Looser? Yeh? Are you serious? I think you mean loser and yeah. And what the hell is falutin'? How about you talk to me when 1) you can spell correctly and 2) when you don't use racist and slanderous verbage. I guess if we had to adhere to those rules, we'd never hear from you again so I guess that's not really fair. How about you just work on number two and we'll let the spelling slide for now.

Even if these forums weren't open to civilians, I'm pretty sure that my 5 years of honorable service, my 4 deployments to Iraq and the fact that my wife is still in the Marine Corps gives me the right to voice my opinions in here. If you don't like what I have to say, then let me know. Try doing it in a tactful manner though instead of attacking the character of someone you've never met. You do remember what TACT is right? It is one of the 14 Leadership Traits after all. Remember that you still being in the Marine Corps means that you represent the institution at all times. Something I've noticed you often forget in here. Just because you are hiding behind your computer doesn't give you impunity to write whatever you want and think you can get away with it.

I already told you "good on you" for deciding to do 20! So don't sit there and look down on someone for getting out and not doing the same. I simply told you why I decided to get out and you immediately think that I'm talking down to you and trying to make you feel like I'm better than you. Not everything is a personal attack on you but if you're going to start taking shots at me, you can't get upset when I come back at you. You continue to show on a daily basis the kind of leader of Marines you are and it really amazes me.

[kenny10]

Wow, Immature, but then again I expect that from someone who couldn't make it to Sgt. Good luck being a civilian since you couldn't hack it.

Right, I got out because I couldn't hack it...that's laughable. It couldn't possibly be because I want to support my family and provide them many of the things that the military can't offer. It couldn't possibly be that I make 4x what you do a year and have already made more in 3 months doing what I am now than what my entire re-enlistment bonus would have given me for staying in for 4 more years. For some strange reason, you think I hate the Marine Corps or am bitter about my experiences that I had. Well I'll tell you what. You have fun doing 20 in the Marine Corps, good on you. I'll be retired at 40 to but instead of only having my pension coming in monthly, I'll also have my kids college paid for and have a nest egg that will let my wife and I live wherever we want. I didn't get out because I couldn't hack it you unassuming moron. I got out because it gives me and my family the opportunities and financial income that you'll never have. So don't go criticizing someone for getting out because you don't think they can hack it. You are about as far out in left field as it gets and someone needs to reel you back in before you hurt yourself or worse yet, one of your Marines.[/QUOTE]


Oh Damn, that was incredibly well said, I was going to comment back to the "couldn't hack it crap" but you have done so and its a damn good response
i am getting the hell out in 10 months and will be in the same boat as you, shortly

[Former_Marine_23]

Oh Damn, that was incredibly well said, I was going to comment back to the "couldn't hack it crap" but you have done so and its a damn good response
i am getting the hell out in 10 months and will be in the same boat as you, shortly

Good for you! I enjoyed my time in the Marine Corps but all I could see in the future is deployment after deployment and that is not what I wanted. It's not for everyone and I won't tell someone they're wrong for staying in. The Marine Corps needs Sgt Majors too. I'm not going to be one of them though.

Enjoy life outside of the Marine Corps...it definitely has its perks!

[Sgt D]

Before I begin, I might add that I've only been in the Marine Corps for 4 years so I'm still boot to people but hear me out:

There is not a weekend that goes by where I don't go to get my haircut out in town where I see a Marine wearing shower shoes or not shaven or is wearing SOMETHING they know they are not suppose to wear because every time I correct them they say "Oh, I was just coming from my house real quick" Or "Oh I forgot I was wearing them". WTF Marines, seriously! You know what's right and wrong yet you continue to do the wrong thing because nobody chews your ass for it. There has been numerous times when i see Marines out of uniform or jacked up in some way and I just wait to see if anyone is going to say anything to him, but it never happens. I'm always the one who has to tell that Marine that he's all jacked up, then he gets butt hurt and thinks I'm hazing him for telling him he's wrong. Whatever happened to NCOs with gonads? Whatever happened to Honor, COURAGE, and Committment? Our Corps is slowly starting to lose confidence in it's NCO ranks, including ME and I'm a friggen NCO!

Ok, so since wev'e determined who can piss further, can we return to the subject? Iv'e included the original post for those of you who have forgotten... Let me just say, correcting Marines is just a part of being a Marine. Iv'e been in for 7 years now and I'll admit that during my first 4 or 5, I didn't make any corrections at all. Now that I'm working on my 3rd Enlistment (don't ask, I know the numbers don't sound right, but Iv'e re-Enlisted twice now) I find it easier and easier to make corrections.

As an example, I saw a LCpl correcting a Marine in the French Creek Exchange yesterday. The guy was standing in line in PT gear with a case of beer in his hands. After the LCpl gave up, I followed up and let the kid know he was wrong for what he was doing. He says to me, "Well, Sgt, I was just on my way back home from the Gym, I'll be out of the store in a couple of minutes." Please tell me what Universe that excuse would work in. Seriously. Not in mine... Anyhow, the kid eventually got the picture and left.

The point I'm trying to make is this: The question is "What is wrong with Marines these days" The answer is "widespread weak leadership", possibly "promotions too easily achieved". I'm not too sure how to properly word what I'm trying to say, so just try to follow my logic, ok? What's the difference between today's Corps and the "Old" Corps? Back in those days, problems were solved with totally different methods than what you see today. Different methods, different results. NCO's were built and molded with different methods than today. It's sad to see so many turd burds walking around everywhere, but what can you do but make your little corner of the Corps better and correct the mistakes you see everywhere else? Just make sure that your'e right before you make a correction, and never be scared to make that correction. Some Marines actaully might not know that they are wrong, because their Leadership never told them what the deal is. The Marine Corps truly is a lifestyle, not a job.

[social-catastrophy721]

well just to try to add some clearity to the shit storm i began. forgive me if i gave you the wrong impression ssgt. but what i consider to be flip flops are "thong style sandals", they are made of leather and are sturdy foot wear. the plastic pieces of shit in which you refer to are shower shoes, and i do not wear shower shoes, BECAUSE it is a violation. i wasn't trying to make it seem like i was in blatant disregard, my just got a little mixed up and mis-construed. so on that note, i do disagree with marines walking around out in town with noticably unshaven faces, wearing baggy jeans and t-shirts that are 5 sizes too big, and everything similar. but i dont believe i'm wrong for wearing sandals.

[wzgriffith]

UMMMM...he said FLIP FLOPS (once again) and I will devil dog a Marine if he's doing well or if he's out of regs.

FLIP FLOPS are THONG STYLE SANDALS, which ARE AUTHORIZED per MCO (but may be unauthorized per your base order).

[Gator70]

Superman,

I hear where you are coming from, you are obviously a product of our modern day tours to Iraq and haven't been able to conduct combined operations where you get the opportunities to work side by side by with Marines from other types of units. Stick around and you will eventurally get the chance and find out there are people like me who could do your job better than you do.

[kenny10]

Superman,

I hear where you are coming from, you are obviously a product of our modern day tours to Iraq and haven't been able to conduct combined operations where you get the opportunities to work side by side by with Marines from other types of units. Stick around and you will eventurally get the chance and find out there are people like me who could do your job better than you do.

how many times have you been deployed

[SGT6124]

I don't see how the number of deployments are relevant, but usually people who are trying to prove something like to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

[notamotogrunt]

This cracks me up. Simple solution if someone tries to correct you out in town...walk away. You dont have camies on nor name tapes so they dont know who you are. If they try to put their hands on you whoop their ass. Pretty simple. Personally, I have enough respect for myself as a man that Im not gonna get in a pissing match with some pog gunny in the walmart parking lot about the fact that I have sandals and a sleeveless t on when I am going to the beach. I am off work and have more important things to do. Thats just my peice of advice. And I just laugh at people when they try to correct my shave out in town. I just tell um, hey it was fresh this morning when I came to work or if its a weekend I tell them that I will have a fresh one on mon, and walk away.
And let someone say that I am a s###bag too I really dont care cuz I know when it comes to doing my job I am good to go and wont be getting anybody killed.

[dgeezy]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Church!!!!!!!!

[SSgtAllen3381]

...walk away. I just tell um, hey it was fresh this morning when I came to work or if its a weekend I tell them that I will have a fresh one on mon, and walk away.
And let someone say that I am a s###bag too I really dont care cuz I know when it comes to doing my job I am good to go and wont be getting anybody killed.

LOL...Sure you will. This is by far the funniest post yet. Thanks.

[SGT6124]

This cracks me up. Simple solution if someone tries to correct you out in town...walk away. You dont have camies on nor name tapes so they dont know who you are. If they try to put their hands on you whoop their ass. Pretty simple. Personally, I have enough respect for myself as a man that Im not gonna get in a pissing match with some pog gunny in the walmart parking lot about the fact that I have sandals and a sleeveless t on when I am going to the beach. I am off work and have more important things to do. Thats just my peice of advice. And I just laugh at people when they try to correct my shave out in town. I just tell um, hey it was fresh this morning when I came to work or if its a weekend I tell them that I will have a fresh one on mon, and walk away.
And let someone say that I am a s###bag too I really dont care cuz I know when it comes to doing my job I am good to go and wont be getting anybody killed.
Forget a little thing you learned in bootcamp? Below will have the answer to your wild tangent. I believe you need a refresher course.

Honor: Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. A U.S. Marine must never lie, never cheat, never steal, but that is not enough. Much more is required. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs. And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.

Courage: Simply stated, courage is honor in action -- and more. Courage is moral strength, the will to heed the inner voice of conscience, the will to do what is right regardless of the conduct of others. It is mental discipline, an adherence to a higher standard. Courage means willingness to take a stand for what is right in spite of adverse consequences. This courage, throughout the history of the Corps, has sustained Marines during the chaos, perils, and hardships of combat. And each day, it enables each Marine to look in the mirror -- and smile.

Commitment: Total dedication to Corps and Country. Gung-ho Marine teamwork. All for one, one for all. By whatever name or cliche, commitment is a combination of (1) selfless determination and (2) a relentless dedication to excellence. Marines never give up, never give in, never willingly accept second best. Excellence is always the goal. And, when their active duty days are over, Marines remain reserve Marines, retired Marines, or Marine veterans. There is no such thing as an ex-Marine or former-Marine. Once a Marine, always a Marine. Commitment never dies.

[notamotogrunt]

You ask anyone whos actually BEEN to COMBAT whod theyd rather have next to um u or me. I fought with honor courage and commitment when the things actually mattered. As far as me not telling you off out in town ssgt unless you can strait up throw a mean beating (dont forget stripes dont mean you can fight) prepare to be butthurt if we ever run into each other. Now I know your gonna say well why dont you tell me your name rank and unit then so we can meet and figure this out, but that wouldnt really be a smart move on my part. Cuz frankly all you would do is call my company office tell them I disrespected a snco and try to get me paperworked and honestly you arent worth a dollar to me let alone a pay check or two.

[SGT6124]

To hell with you ssgt and sgt. Go back to the office work.

Exactly, thank you for re-iterating our point. All the "heroism" that you performed in your "job" just went out the window again. So you did your job, big deal. But I bet you didn't do your job without me...ever have any air support? Yeh, what about food, eat anything over there? What about your transportation, did you hump there? You miss the big picture here. You think you are the cream of the crop and you only sound rediculous.

[notamotogrunt]

No I didnt say that. I just said I would tell you to piss off. and trust me air specialist I would. BTW you guys are doing good things in the gan right now. I never said I was a hero but I did do my job. One that you couldnt even fathom trust me. But you think youre a stellar devil dog cause you run a high PFT, shoot well on the range, and are a MCMAP bruce lee. But you honestly have no idea what it is like to fight like a "devil dog"

[SGT6124]

No I didnt say that. I just said I would tell you to piss off. and trust me air specialist I would. BTW you guys are doing good things in the gan right now.
Oh you mean Marine Sergeant instead of air specialist since I am not in the Air Force, and you would not tell me to piss off. I'll put money on that one! Try me!

[SGT6124]

I never said I was a hero but I did do my job. One that you couldnt even fathom trust me. But you think youre a stellar devil dog cause you run a high PFT, shoot well on the range, and are a MCMAP bruce lee. But you honestly have no idea what it is like to fight like a "devil dog"

Devil Dog, we are all hero's to someone, and that is not a bad thing! I can fathom, I have been there, remember that pogs do convoys sometimes too..not just you. I never said I was a stellar Marine, did I? I run a 285 PFT, shoot Sharpshooter (not expert) on the range, and I am only a green belt. See, you made another false statement. You are correct, I don't know what it is like to fight like a "Devil Dog" because that is your job, not mine....Mine is to support you in the War on Terror, and lead Marines, and that is what I do.

[notamotogrunt]

lol if we were out in town and you tried to stop me and play the marine corps game i would tell you to piss off
trust me done it before do it again. The reason being is it seems so stupid I mean dont people have anything better to do when theyre off work...seriously

[SGT6124]

lol if we were out in town and you tried to stop me and play the marine corps game i would tell you to piss off
trust me done it before do it again

Right.....

[notamotogrunt]

You act like everyone views the corps the same as you. I see it as a job and I actually kinda like my job but rank to me is just like a food chain. I mean I see the neccesity for it at work and such but out in town we are all the same rank.

[SGT6124]

Marine 24/7 right? Or did you forget about that from bootcamp when they handed you your Eagle, Globe, and Anchor? Maybe they don't do that in bootcamp anymore, if not then they should.

[notamotogrunt]

Youre right Im a marine 24/7 but i just dont feel like shaving on weekends sandals are more comfortable and when im going to the beach a sleeveless tee is what I like to where dont like it dont look at it

[SGT6124]

Youre right Im a marine 24/7 but i just dont feel like shaving on weekends sandals are more comfortable and when im going to the beach a sleeveless tee is what I like to where dont like it dont look at it
You are allowed sandals and sleeveless tee at the beach, but you still have to shave. If you don't like it, then you know what to do. If your too lazy to shave on the weekends, I wonder where else you cut corners in your career.

[notamotogrunt]

Dude I cut corners all the time. if you aint cheating you aint tryin if you aint skatin out you aint puttin out. But the grunt stuff the important stuff, ie cleaning weapons pt ranges going to the feild that is not stuff to be messed with

[SGT6124]

Dude I cut corners all the time. if you aint cheating you aint tryin if you aint skatin out you aint puttin out. But the grunt stuff the important stuff, ie cleaning weapons pt ranges going to the feild that is not stuff to be messed with
Holy crap, you totally just contradicted yourself there.

[notamotogrunt]

No I take the stuff that has to do with my job, the important stuff serious no skating there but stupid working parties classes schools, Im skating if I can

[SGT6124]

Haha, that's probably why you are on a working party, everyone knows your trying to skate.

[notamotogrunt]

No man its easy after morning formation you go to your room drop the blinds leaving um like eight inches up then pull the curtains all but a foot together turn off the lights lock the door and get in the top rack furthest from the door turn off your phone and let one of the motovators (hes got to be your buddy and cant be a blue falcon) know where you are so when formation chow or something important comes up they know where to find u but the dumbstuff you just stay hidden.

[Former_Marine_23]

No man its easy after morning formation you go to your room drop the blinds leaving um like eight inches up then pull the curtains all but a foot together turn off the lights lock the door and get in the top rack furthest from the door turn off your phone and let one of the motovators (hes got to be your buddy and cant be a blue falcon) know where you are so when formation chow or something important comes up they know where to find u but the dumbstuff you just stay hidden.

Ah, the life of a grunt...must be nice to just lay in the rack all day not having to do anything. You're an absolute waste of space and you have the audacity to say "POG's" brownose to pick up rank. You remember that during naptime everyday.

Sure must be tough when your day consists of morning formation, nap time, lunch formation, lunch, nap time, weapons cleaning, evening formation, dinner, sleep.

I guess it would be to much to take that free time to teach those junior Marines of yours the stuff you've learned in combat so that they're as prepared as you think you are next time they deploy. Or forget actually taking MCI's because you just cut corners anyways and copy the answers out of the back. Way to lead from the front. Sounds to me like you're one of those that has fallen through the cracks and just doesn't care. Now I know you got a purple heart and I'm really proud of you. You're number 10,000 in the war on terror...feel special! Guess what, you signed up for that job so you can't say you didn't know that was going to be a possibility. You did your job, congratulations, but you're a failure as a Marine because you are just happy getting by with the minimum amount of effort. Eventually, you're going to get someone hurt because of your complacency and lack of caring. I really wish you were my Lance Corporal because you would have so much paperwork on your ass that those paychecks that you say aren't worth losing would be gone and you'd be out on your ass trying to figure out where you could get a job that doesn't care you have a bad conduct discharge. I guess ulimately, it's your leaderships fault for not putting you in your place but like I said, hopefully it doesn't come back to hurt another one of your Marines someday.

[USSConstellation]

Ah, the life of a grunt...must be nice to just lay in the rack all day not having to do anything. You're an absolute waste of space and you have the audacity to say "POG's" brownose to pick up rank. You remember that during naptime everyday.

Sure must be tough when your day consists of morning formation, nap time, lunch formation, lunch, nap time, weapons cleaning, evening formation, dinner, sleep.

I guess it would be to much to take that free time to teach those junior Marines of yours the stuff you've learned in combat so that they're as prepared as you think you are next time they deploy. Or forget actually taking MCI's because you just cut corners anyways and copy the answers out of the back. Way to lead from the front. Sounds to me like you're one of those that has fallen through the cracks and just doesn't care. Now I know you got a purple heart and I'm really proud of you. You're number 10,000 in the war on terror...feel special! Guess what, you signed up for that job so you can't say you didn't know that was going to be a possibility. You did your job, congratulations, but you're a failure as a Marine because you are just happy getting by with the minimum amount of effort. Eventually, you're going to get someone hurt because of your complacency and lack of caring. I really wish you were my Lance Corporal because you would have so much paperwork on your ass that those paychecks that you say aren't worth losing would be gone and you'd be out on your ass trying to figure out where you could get a job that doesn't care you have a bad conduct discharge. I guess ulimately, it's your leaderships fault for not putting you in your place but like I said, hopefully it doesn't come back to hurt another one of your Marines someday.



I completely agree with you

[notamotogrunt]

\yup in the rear life aint bad not gonna lie. Like I said when it comes time for the feild and training opps I dont mess around those are the times when seniors teach the jrs. as far as MCIs I got mine done and never copied the answers. No I dont care about the stupid garrison stuff that you people strive to achieve and chew ass for everyday. I blouse my boots low have a low reg haircut and keep my sleeves rolled loose why because thats the way I like it. and I have never asked for simpathy about getting a purple heart I simply mentioned it so you would know I aint some boot on here running my mouth. Im just someone who views the suck a little differently than yall

[USSConstellation]

\yup in the rear life aint bad not gonna lie. Like I said when it comes time for the feild and training opps I dont mess around those are the times when seniors teach the jrs. as far as MCIs I got mine done and never copied the answers. No I dont care about the stupid garrison stuff that you people strive to achieve and chew ass for everyday. I blouse my boots low have a low reg haircut and keep my sleeves rolled loose why because thats the way I like it. and I have never asked for simpathy about getting a purple heart I simply mentioned it so you would know I aint some boot on here running my mouth. Im just someone who views the suck a little differently than yall

what the hell is simpathy? you mean sympathy? ok gotcha!. I highly doubt you didn't copy your answers for your MCI's. I never said I cared about the dumb garrison shit either, don't label me into that category. Don't think that I am just some boot either, a lot of people voicing their opinions to you are not boots in the least bit

[notamotogrunt]

alright man my apologies for labeling you (in all seriousness). Honestly I strait up did my MCIs and becuase I was a boot at the time I was scared that someone would catch me cheating so I did um strait up plus I did a few of um on marinenet I think it was they were actually army courses where you just skipped to the test and it was only like ten questions and the course wouldnt close until you got um all right and it hit in like eight hours so that was the closest I got to cheating. Im really not a bad marine I just dont care about the stupid stuff ie haircuts shave rank (to a point) mcis marines talking at parade rest boot blouses sleeves greetings of the day things of that nature

[USSConstellation]

alright man my apologies for labeling you (in all seriousness). Honestly I strait up did my MCIs and becuase I was a boot at the time I was scared that someone would catch me cheating so I did um strait up plus I did a few of um on marinenet I think it was they were actually army courses where you just skipped to the test and it was only like ten questions and the course wouldnt close until you got um all right and it hit in like eight hours so that was the closest I got to cheating. Im really not a bad marine I just dont care about the stupid stuff ie haircuts shave rank (to a point) mcis marines talking at parade rest boot blouses sleeves greetings of the day things of that nature

Quit disrespecting everyone, that makes you very ignorant and the shit that has come out of your mouth makes everyone think you are a bad Marine. It's not owns fault but your own. I never said I cared about all that garrison crap as well

[notamotogrunt]

disrespect. I have not. Just voice my opinion which is strong and not the popular belief. Also if you expect me to play the rank game online you are out of your mind. I dont even play it in person out in town what makes you think Ima do it here.

[SGT6124]

disrespect. I have not. Just voice my opinion which is strong and not the popular belief. Also if you expect me to play the rank game online you are out of your mind. I dont even play it in person out in town what makes you think Ima do it here.

Yet again you contradict yourself. Give me a break.

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[wdwdash]

i think we are too stuck in the past...so many Marines say "TUCK IN YOUR SHIRT JERK FACE" "HEY DEVIL DOG I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD SHOW YOUR FACE IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A BELT ON! WHAT KIND OF HUMAN BEING ARE YOU? HAVE YOU NO SHAME? YOU MAKE THE USMC LOOK EVIL." the thing that really bugs me is people who say things like "IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR CHESTY SO ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!" that attitude is incredibly contradictary. look at our founding commandants - many of them had full on beards, or atleast huge sideburns. so why are you complaining about my shave? it was good enough for Archibald Henderson, right? Chesty fought in Guadalcanal with out body armor. it was good enough for him, right?

of course we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. being the fashion police has nothing to do with that.

[SEMPERMAN]

i think we are too stuck in the past...so many Marines say "TUCK IN YOUR SHIRT JERK FACE" "HEY DEVIL DOG I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU WOULD SHOW YOUR FACE IN PUBLIC WITHOUT A BELT ON! WHAT KIND OF HUMAN BEING ARE YOU? HAVE YOU NO SHAME? YOU MAKE THE USMC LOOK EVIL." the thing that really bugs me is people who say things like "IT WAS GOOD ENOUGH FOR CHESTY SO ITS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME!!!" that attitude is incredibly contradictary. look at our founding commandants - many of them had full on beards, or atleast huge sideburns. so why are you complaining about my shave? it was good enough for Archibald Henderson, right? Chesty fought in Guadalcanal with out body armor. it was good enough for him, right?

of course we need to hold ourselves to a higher standard. being the fashion police has nothing to do with that.

Agreed there are a bunch of dumb fucks in here. For all you trying to pull rank on the internet get a life. This is the INTERNET after all.

[KnoxRJ]

MCO P1020.34 Uniform Regs:
Para 1005 a. Marines are associated and identified with the Marine Corps in and
out of uniform, and when on or off duty. Therefore, when civilian clothing
is worn, Marines will ensure that their dress and personal appearance are
conservative and commensurate with the high standards traditionally
associated with the Marine Corps.

Being a Marine means you follow orders, at all times, whether you agree with them or not.

[SGT6124]

Agreed there are a bunch of dumb fucks in here. For all you trying to pull rank on the internet get a life. This is the INTERNET after all.

Ok Mr. Tough internet guy..how about you get a life. Don't talk about yourself in such manner...it will make your self esteem low, and then you will go crying to the chaplain..just let it go.

[SEMPERMAN]

Ok Mr. Tough internet guy..how about you get a life. Don't talk about yourself in such manner...it will make your self esteem low, and then you will go crying to the chaplain..just let it go.


Hey mechanic why dont you go fix something. Quit quoting me already fag

[KnoxRJ]

Semperman, are you really that immature that you have to refer to people with childish names? Does the Times Monitor's warnings about proper conduct mean anything to you. Should some professionalism and engage in adult banter or do us all a favor and keep your immature and childish name calling to yourself. Grow up already.

[CrustySMSgt]

All right, I know I am just a sorry Air Force guy... but I did read through this thread and gotta say... I have a huge amount of respect for the Marine way of life... to be a Marine 24/7/365 and live accordingly. I am currently in a joint command and we have numerous Marines assigned.

If I had to do it all over again, I'd have joined the Marines... the corprate mentality of the AF is too much... I am one of those SNCOs who tries to uphold standards and get Airmen to take pride in themselves and their uniform... but it is often a losing battle.

THis is a very interesting thread and gave me a lot of insight into what it is like to be a Marine.

Thanks for all the ass y'all kick...

with much respect
Crusty

[SGT6124]

Hey mechanic why dont you go fix something. Quit quoting me already fag
Nah, I am TAD to grunt land this week. You can grab a wrench and tighten up those wheels on your trike though. Don't forget to tell mommy to change your diaper before you take your afternoon nap. If that is all you have to try and cut me down with....since you said exactly what I do....mechanic fixes stuff ya know...then you need to google search insults..you aren't very good at this kind of "bad ass" mentality.

[SEMPERMAN]

Semperman, are you really that immature that you have to refer to people with childish names? Does the Times Monitor's warnings about proper conduct mean anything to you. Should some professionalism and engage in adult banter or do us all a favor and keep your immature and childish name calling to yourself. Grow up already.

Whatever dude this guy is always being a douche even when I say something good.

[SEMPERMAN]

Nah, I am TAD to grunt land this week. You can grab a wrench and tighten up those wheels on your trike though. Don't forget to tell mommy to change your diaper before you take your afternoon nap. If that is all you have to try and cut me down with....since you said exactly what I do....mechanic fixes stuff ya know...then you need to google search insults..you aren't very good at this kind of "bad ass" mentality.

Change my diaper? Wow that was harsh! Whatever dude later

[SGT6124]

Change my diaper? Wow that was harsh! Whatever dude later
Hahaha, I guess that is all it takes to make a "big ol' bad grunt" head for the hills....that was easy.

[notamotogrunt]

Lol if the grunts head for the hills outta the fight and keep going about fifty more miles from the fight into a nice base with hot chow and a soft rack then maybe he could find you sgt boot.

[Sgt2821]

First of all let me just say, reading this entire thread was painful! Aside from all the name calling 03/POG banter there may be about 10 good post to what the actual problem with the Corps today is. The problem is immaturity, in both the junior ranks and young officer ranks. The whole I don’t want to listen to so and so no matter what rank they are stems from immaturity and ignorance. Recently in the past few years young Marines in my field( the comm field) didn’t have to worry about picking up NCO, the cutting scores were so low they didnt even have to worry about MCIs. Is this BS hell yes it is, and our command has recently done something about it. We have promotion boards, that as soon as a Marine is eligible they have to stand in front of a board with two senior members and five of their soon to be peers. It is ran much like a meritorious board, though from reading through 16 pages of that crap most of you have never seen one.

This process has only just been implemented, and the effects are already astounding. Young Marines here anyways who finally have to work at the WHOLE Marine concept quickly learned. "Damn, if I want to get promoted I better pull my head outa my ass". This whole I don’t have to do what the MCO says because it sounds stupid to me crap isn’t flying here.

Now since this is my first post let me get the formalities out of the way for you 03s and POGs alike who will most undoubtedly quote this, say something stupid, and try to bash my personal character.

I, am a POG. I have been deployed 3 times, since OIF2. I am a SGT who will walk up to you and tell you, that you are not doing the right thing. Why you may ask, because if I didn't I wouldn’t be doing the right thing.
Now I have a lot of grunt friends, and yes I have seen combat lost friends etc... Those hardships that you must endure for choosing this life style does not give ANY Marine a free pass to be a shit bag, no matter what rank. Do I push paper, hell no. I make sure your fobs can communicate and trust me that is a 24/7 Job.

Am I preaching, I may be... But let me tell all young Marines who might read this something, by the time you have been in long enough, 03s and POGs alike usually have the same mentality. Shut up or put up. Meaning do what your supposed to do at all times, and if you don’t want to. Take the consequences that follow and shut up about it.

[SGT6124]

Lol if the grunts head for the hills outta the fight and keep going about fifty more miles from the fight into a nice base with hot chow and a soft rack then maybe he could find you sgt boot.
And you were going where with this? You must not think before you do anything. This is exactly the immaturity that Sgt2821 was talking about.

[notamotogrunt]

Roger that SARGE

[SGT6124]

Roger that SARGE

Hey Marine, watch your freaking mouth. That is Sergeant to you! You need to show some respect. You waste of a title for Marine.

[Zwerge]

Some people just don't get it!

[notamotogrunt]

I would reply Sarge but there is motivational puke stuck in my teeth from hearing you talk. Semper FI ooh rah yut kill kill kill devil. Go grease something up, most likely your higher ups members.

[SEMPERMAN]

Hey Marine, watch your freaking mouth. That is Sergeant to you! You need to show some respect. You waste of a title for Marine.

Chill out bro. Your the one trying to pull rank on the INTERNET

Notamotogrunt would follow me better than he would some POG Sgt like you.

[SGT6124]

I would reply Sarge but there is motivational puke stuck in my teeth from hearing you talk. Semper FI ooh rah yut kill kill kill devil. Go grease something up, most likely your higher ups members.

Yeh yeh yeh, everyone here knows your all talk. Once again I will ask for your crudentials and see if you still talk to a Sgt. or anyone else like this infront of him. However you will bitch out like a little school girl like you do everytime. You are a scared individual hiding behind a computer screen because your not man enough to give it up. Your so afraid someone might "paperwork you and take your money". If your afraid then shut your mouth. Haha, you are probably the one at work greasing your Cpls and Sgts balls so they don't fry you.

[SGT6124]

Chill out bro. Your the one trying to pull rank on the INTERNET

Notamotogrunt would follow me better than he would some POG Sgt like you.

No one was talking to you, and since you were listening....you are the part of the problem in the Corps when you let a junior talk to a senior disrespectfully at any time since you are a Marine 24/7. If you don't think so, then you need a Core Values class...but you can go ask your platoon Sergeant to give you a class. The thing I am most troubled about is if the grunts are so bad ass and everything MC then why are you so disrespectful? Being a POG has nothing to do with it....So I guess you will tell the Commandant and the Sergeant Major of the MC to f-off too since they are POG's? I didn't think so.

[SEMPERMAN]

No one was talking to you, and since you were listening....you are the part of the problem in the Corps when you let a junior talk to a senior disrespectfully at any time since you are a Marine 24/7. If you don't think so, then you need a Core Values class...but you can go ask your platoon Sergeant to give you a class. The thing I am most troubled about is if the grunts are so bad ass and everything MC then why are you so disrespectful? Being a POG has nothing to do with it....So I guess you will tell the Commandant and the Sergeant Major of the MC to f-off too since they are POG's? I didn't think so.

whatever gets your jollies off bro. I actually treat my Marines like men and not like idiots. They are grown ass men but dont be mistaken if the f*** up my boots in that ass. You sound like the type that thinks your a god cuz you are a Sgt but guess what your just a punk if you treat men like children

[SGT6124]

whatever gets your jollies off bro. I actually treat my Marines like men and not like idiots. They are grown ass men but dont be mistaken if the f*** up my boots in that ass. You sound like the type that thinks your a god cuz you are a Sgt but guess what your just a punk if you treat men like children

Yeh good, be buddy buddy with your troops, that is the way the MC was designed. You need to learn how to be an NCO. You don't treat your Marines like men because if that were true, you would have more respect for seniors as well. I show respect towards seniors wether they are wrong or not. I ALWAYS, I mean ALWAYS get an NCO's back reguardless if they are right or wrong, if they are wrong, we have a conversation off to the side. You are sticking up for a LCPL who is running his mouth and being disrespectful for no reason, maybe he is just trying to show he's a bad ass....whatever the case is. If you don't like motivated people, then you are in the wrong lifestyle. They are all around you, you must hate that.
I don't think I am a god because I am a Sgt, but I damn sure I believe I have earned the respect as any other Sgt because I have put in my time. Even if a SNCO or NCO is senior to me, I still show their rank respect, maybe not them, by using customs and courtesies. The MC isn't a place designed for friends, but if you make some along the way then more power to you.

[SEMPERMAN]

Yeh good, be buddy buddy with your troops, that is the way the MC was designed. You need to learn how to be an NCO. You don't treat your Marines like men because if that were true, you would have more respect for seniors as well. I show respect towards seniors wether they are wrong or not. I ALWAYS, I mean ALWAYS get an NCO's back reguardless if they are right or wrong, if they are wrong, we have a conversation off to the side. You are sticking up for a LCPL who is running his mouth and being disrespectful for no reason, maybe he is just trying to show he's a bad ass....whatever the case is. If you don't like motivated people, then you are in the wrong lifestyle. They are all around you, you must hate that.
I don't think I am a god because I am a Sgt, but I damn sure I believe I have earned the respect as any other Sgt because I have put in my time. Even if a SNCO or NCO is senior to me, I still show their rank respect, maybe not them, by using customs and courtesies. The MC isn't a place designed for friends, but if you make some along the way then more power to you.


Actually I said that if they fuck up I put a boot in their ass. I never said I am all buddy buddy. I said I treat them like men becuase even though some Marines are junior to me I still treat them like I would want to be treated. If your a hard ass like you claim to be your Marines wont respect you. I never said I was sticking up for the LCpl, I just said he would probably listen more to me than you.

[SGT6124]

Actually I said that if they fuck up I put a boot in their ass. I never said I am all buddy buddy. I said I treat them like men becuase even though some Marines are junior to me I still treat them like I would want to be treated. If your a hard ass like you claim to be your Marines wont respect you. I never said I was sticking up for the LCpl, I just said he would probably listen more to me than you.
You don't have to say the words you are all buddy buddy, the message is clear. You treat Marines on how they act, so if you act like a turd.....well you get treated like one. If you are a disrespectful LCPL you will be treated as such. You can call any one of my Marines and they all respect me. I am firm, but I am fair. I teach them everything I possibly can because I want them to succeed, even if that means that they will more than me. I have never claimed to be a hard ass, if me following the rules and guidelines the MC has set forth, then ok so I am a hard ass. Someone has to do it, so don't hate me for doing what is right. Well if you think the others will listen to you, why don't you do something about it? Instead you stand by idle and let it go.

[Sgt2821]

I am going to post something that I have borrowed from someone else, but the statement rings true

"Proper and effective discipline maintenance requires the appropriate employment of all modes of correction - from a quiet, off the record, "word to the wise" right on through to a full-blown, public, and incredibly humiliating ass chewing - by the appropriate disciplinarian. The trick is to know where on the spectrum the situation is at any given moment and who the appropriate disciplinarian is.".


In all work situations, you will find five possible levels of performance:

1. Do enough to get by - some of the time

2. Do enough to get by - most of the time

3. Do the job

4. Do the job well

5. Do the job outstandingly

In all work situations, you can have the same people perform at any of those levels depending on the type of leadership they receive.

The less respect the people get from their leaders, the lower down on that scale you are going to find them performing. The more respect they get, the higher.

Maybe you don't realize it, but the most effective disciplinarians seldom have to discipline anyone. Maybe you don't realize it, but the most effective leaders lead by imbuing their subordinates with a desire to do the job the way that their leader expects it to be done (which, in case you missed it, is completely different than "demands it to be done").

Unnecessary (or inappropriate [or excessive]) discipline that is arbitrarily applied is a morale breaker. Necessary, appropriate, and proportional discipline that is evenly and openly applied is a morale builder.

You may not like those two statements, but they are a key element of "leadership" and a "leader" can almost always "command" while a "commander" may not be able to "lead". (In case you don't know the difference "command" is an appointment, "leadership" is a quality.)

[SGT6124]

Were you directing that to me or someone else Sgt2821. If you were, thanks for some insight and corrective criticism. Just another tool to put in the box. I only partially disagree with "The less respect the people get from their leaders, the lower down on that scale you are going to find them performing. The more respect they get, the higher." due to the fact that some Marines maybe don't get as much respect as they should because they had to discipline a younger Marine. We all know sometimes they hold a grudge for being corrected, sort of like the Devil Dog moniker. What are your thoughts on this? Otherwise it was a good post.

[SEMPERMAN]

Were you directing that to me or someone else Sgt2821. If you were, thanks for some insight and corrective criticism. Just another tool to put in the box. I only partially disagree with "The less respect the people get from their leaders, the lower down on that scale you are going to find them performing. The more respect they get, the higher." due to the fact that some Marines maybe don't get as much respect as they should because they had to discipline a younger Marine. We all know sometimes they hold a grudge for being corrected, sort of like the Devil Dog moniker. What are your thoughts on this? Otherwise it was a good post.

Yeah I take it some other Sgts agree with me.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

I am going to post something that I have borrowed from someone else, but the statement rings true

"Proper and effective discipline maintenance requires the appropriate employment of all modes of correction - from a quiet, off the record, "word to the wise" right on through to a full-blown, public, and incredibly humiliating ass chewing - by the appropriate disciplinarian. The trick is to know where on the spectrum the situation is at any given moment and who the appropriate disciplinarian is.".Sgt, do you know how embarrassing it is for an officer to find that a Sergeant is quoting him (with approval) on the subject of "proper and effective discipline maintenance"?

In any event, I do thank you for the compliment.

[SGT6124]

Yeah I take it some other Sgts agree with me.
Agree with you how? He never said hey good job SEMPERMAN, let that Marine be disrespectful and do what he wants, since that is what your promotion warrant says and all. Good job trying to make it sound good in your favor.

[SEMPERMAN]

Agree with you how? He never said hey good job SEMPERMAN, let that Marine be disrespectful and do what he wants, since that is what your promotion warrant says and all. Good job trying to make it sound good in your favor.

Where do you get off saying I am encouraging him. You probably were a douche with him before. Shit I dont know, you probably pissed him off that's why he is the way he is with you. Just sit back relax and quit stressing it.

[SGT6124]

Where do you get off saying I am encouraging him. You probably were a douche with him before. Shit I dont know, you probably pissed him off that's why he is the way he is with you. Just sit back relax and quit stressing it.
You encourage him by making comments to boost his ego, and yes you have been. If you don't think so, then go back and read earlier posts you made. This Marine from day one came into these forums and ran his mouth to every single person, and was very disrespectful, so it's not that I have a personal vendetta against him or anything.

[Sgt2821]

Sgt, do you know how embarrassing it is for an officer to find that a Sergeant is quoting him (with approval) on the subject of "proper and effective discipline maintenance"?

In any event, I do thank you for the compliment.

First let me say I just found that little quote button, would have made that post a hell of a lot easier. Plus that post has been passed around my company already... Our officer staff is dis heartening at best. Unfortunately.

Second, the post was not directed towards any one person. Although I would have to say having an argument with someone on a forum that updates at about 3-5 post a day ranks up there with "Stupid is as stupid does" no desrespect to those on here that are trying to do the right thing. However people that read post like this can see how ignorant some members posting here are, and form their opinions and decide to ignore the obvious trap into a meaningless argument of ideals that should not be argued about at all.

[notamotogrunt]

You encourage him by making comments to boost his ego, and yes you have been. If you don't think so, then go back and read earlier posts you made. This Marine from day one came into these forums and ran his mouth to every single person, and was very disrespectful, so it's not that I have a personal vendetta against him or anything.

Mommy Semperman is a bad influence on me and I dont know what to do. lol Sarge just keep your mouth shut about that man. I dont need encouragement trust me I am fully capable of taking care of myself. Dude I didnt disrespect you till you started loosing your balance on top of your cheverons. You demanded respect from everyone who is a lesser rank than you ON THE INTERNET. ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I took full advantage of the fact that tthis is the internet and I can say what I want and I know it will drive motards like you up a wall, and the Corps sucks so I needed something to entertain me and messing with yall is a perfect time killer. Now taht being said the way I was talking was jsut to piss you off but what I was SAYING was true. YOU just couldnt handle the way it was presented. GET OVER IT BRO.

[LeaderOfMarines]

Mommy Semperman is a bad influence on me and I dont know what to do. lol Sarge just keep your mouth shut about that man. I dont need encouragement trust me I am fully capable of taking care of myself. Dude I didnt disrespect you till you started loosing your balance on top of your cheverons. You demanded respect from everyone who is a lesser rank than you ON THE INTERNET. ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I took full advantage of the fact that tthis is the internet and I can say what I want and I know it will drive motards like you up a wall, and the Corps sucks so I needed something to entertain me and messing with yall is a perfect time killer. Now taht being said the way I was talking was jsut to piss you off but what I was SAYING was true. YOU just couldnt handle the way it was presented. GET OVER IT BRO.

So what your saying is that the Marine Corps rules apply everywhere else but the internet? I have read through all the posts and I might add that you do come off pretty disrecpetful. You may not see that, but it's just a second opinion. Don't get all upset with me and complain and cry about me getting the Sgt's back or anything. If the shoe fits then wear it.

[SGT6124]

Mommy Semperman is a bad influence on me and I dont know what to do. lol Sarge just keep your mouth shut about that man. I dont need encouragement trust me I am fully capable of taking care of myself. Dude I didnt disrespect you till you started loosing your balance on top of your cheverons. You demanded respect from everyone who is a lesser rank than you ON THE INTERNET. ARE YOU SERIOUS??? I took full advantage of the fact that tthis is the internet and I can say what I want and I know it will drive motards like you up a wall, and the Corps sucks so I needed something to entertain me and messing with yall is a perfect time killer. Now taht being said the way I was talking was jsut to piss you off but what I was SAYING was true. YOU just couldnt handle the way it was presented. GET OVER IT BRO.

Hahaha your such a pussy....no please don't be a Marine to me..wah wah wah...grow up loser. Aight boot I hope you have had your fun being a retarded waste of space and life. I am sure your not even a Marine, just posing on the internet, cause if you were I would hate to work with you. You probably got your "purple heart" from friendly fire....hahahahaha run faster next time loser. You right, I can't handle a loser talking shit to me online.....ahhhhhhh kill me now.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

First let me say I just found that little quote button, would have made that post a hell of a lot easier. Plus that post has been passed around my company already... Our officer staff is dis heartening at best. Unfortunately.Then, possibly, you (they) might benefit from some "motivational posters".

Here is a selection from


Pomposities, Platitudes, Poaches, and Profundities from Agent X89A

A Comic gets you to laugh at the funny things a government does. A Humourist gets you to laugh at the government. Comics are tolerated but Humourists are dangerous.(ca. 2001)

A 'Radical Femiloonie' once said to me "God made man first and then corrected the mistakes when he made woman.". I asked her how often a sequal was as good as the original. She slapped me. I hit her back. In tones of shock and outrage, she said; "You hit a woman!?!?!". I said; "No, I hit a person who had just hit me and stopped them from doing it again.". - - - She didn't understand. (ca. 2001)

Abraham Lincoln once said "The ballot is stronger than the bullet.". John Wilkes Booth disagreed. (ca. 1988)

An officer is concerned about his officers and their men. An outstanding officer is concerned about his men and their officers. (Retirement Dinner remarks)

An officer makes sure that his troops do what he tells them to do. A GOOD officer makes sure that his troops want to do whatever he wants done. (Retirement Dinner Remarks)

Any Officer can win any battle. The wise Officer ensures that the requisite supply of miracles has not only been laid on, but has actually been delivered before commencing one. (Retirement Dinner Remarks)

As 'Timoshenko' said in Mission to Moscow - "Only a modern army will be able to fight a modern war." - however, frequently, a modern army can only fight a "modern" war.

Being stupid is its own torment. Fortunately for the truly stupid, it also carries its own anesthetic. (ca. 2000)

Both the 'question (?) mark' and the 'exclamation (!) point' are copyrighted, so don't question and don't be surprised. (ca. 2000)

Both the rational and the irrational can manipulate the memories they have. - The difference is that the rational do it before they become memories.

Can you give rhetorical answers to rhetorical questions? (ca. 2000)

Canada went through World War II led by a man who got his political policy advice from a combination of (A) his dog; (B) his dead mother; and (C) a Ouiji Board. As far as Canadian politicians go, he wasn't all that bad. Americans cannot understand Canada. - I have no idea why not. (ca. 1968)

Dogs don't have souls. Now, don't get upset - they don't need them. No one WITH a soul would kick one out of Heaven. (ca.1979)

Faith-based President + Faith-based Intelligence = Faith-based Policy - (in What did you do in the Crusade Daddy?)

False postulates + impeccable logic = really convincing sounding crap. (1970)

Felatio/cunnilingis means never having to say "I'm pregnant.". (2002)

Give and you have it,
Take and you have not,
Honour is funny that way.
- Musings on Life

"'God Is Dead.; Nietzsche - 'NIETZSCHE! IS DEAD.'; GOD"; runs the graffiti. But there is more proof that Nietzsche existed in 1890 than there is that "God" existed in 1890. And do you know what? Neither "God" nor Nietzsche cares. - Physics, Metaphysics, Psychics, Sidekicks, and Just Plain Flummeries

I was told that the best things for me were to eat healthy foods, walk up hills, stop smoking cigars, and cut out drinking Scotch. With my record, I don't deserve the best - what's second best? (Retirement Dinner remarks)

I have a feather,
The bird has one less,
He can fly and I cannot.
- Musings on Life

If "Bud" is to real beer as Kool-Aid is to Cabernet, then what is "Bud Light"?

If God didn't give cats souls, then he(?) wasn't as infallible as people make him out to be. (ca. 1970)

If you fall off a cliff because you were running with your eyes closed, I don't want to hear you whine all the way down. (ca.1989)

In about 90% of the world, the time it takes for a newcomer to become a full and recognized member of their local society roughly approximates the time it takes to achieve the same status in an Ozark farming community. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

In his diary, on 25 MAY 1879, Rutherford B. Hayes wrote "The annexation to the United States of the adjacent parts of the continent both north and south, seems to be, according to the phrase of 1844, our "manifest destiny". I am not in favor of artificial stimulants to this tendency. But I think I see plainly that it is now for the interest of both Canada and the United States that properly and in order, and with due regard to the feelings of Great Britain, the two countries should come under one government. If it were known that we would probably pay the whole or part of the Canadian debts, or would assume to pay them, would it not stimulate the feeling in favor of annexation in Canada?", to which I say "Probably not.".

It has been said that "Officers add 'tone' to warfare.". This is not true. Officers SET THE TONE for warfare. Stupid officers tend to produce stupid warfare. Arrogant officers tend to produce arrogant warfare. Brutal officers tend to produce brutal warfare. Inhumane officers tend to produce inhumane warfare. None of those are desirable outcomes and the only valid pre-battle prayer is "Keep my soldiers safe and give them victory. Give our opponents defeat with honor and dignity.". Should the prayer be granted, then you will not be faced with an implacable foe and be able to live with your conscience. Should the prayer NOT be granted, then you won't be around to worry about it. (Retirement dinner remarks)

It is well known that most legislators are so dumb that they couldn't pour piss out of a boot if the instructions were printed on the heel. What is less well known is that most bureaucrats would call it "acidic liquid metabolic by-products containing uremic acid and assorted esters". (ca. 1999)

Laughter has changed more governments than bullets.

END _ PART 1

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

First let me say I just found that little quote button, PART _ 2

More people read Barbara Cartland than read Shakespeare. More people will have read Shakespeare than will have read Barbara Cartland. Today's popular trash writer will be tomorrow's forgotten trash writer but there will still be professors offering courses in "The Seminal Influence of ... on ..." and there will still be undergraduates who take them - and actually think they are learning something useful. (ca. 2000)

No matter how far you shove your head up your butt you will never see the light.

No matter how good he is, no officer is ever "good enough". No matter how good he is, men die. (Retirement Dinner remarks)

One is allowed to appreciate the aesthetics of anything from crocodiles to children. It is only when one tries to get them into their bed that the problems begin. (2002)

One ought not instruct one's parent's direct maternal ancestor in the art of extracting the liquid contents of the spheroidal bodies produced by avians through the application of buccally produced negative pressure. - Plain Language Directions for the Conduct of General Staff Meetings

Patriotism ain't Jingoism, and Jingoism ain't Patriotism. (ca. 1999)

Patriotism is knowing that your country is the best. "Chauvinism" is shoving that opinion down the throat of some other country's patriot. (ca. 1992)

Persons compelled to habitate in transparent structures of patent frangibility should, under no circumstances, employ fragmentations of the lithosphere as projectiles. - Plain Language Directions for the Conduct of General Staff Meetings

Semantics can be a tricky business sometimes. Which is probably why most "evangelical" "fundamentalists" are anti-semantic. (2003)

SOMANs (and in particular "educational theorists", "sociologists", and "criminologists") fear and distrust any theory that can be fully explained by resorting to words of less than five syllables which already exist in the English language without assigning previously unknown definitions to those words. (A "SOMAN" is a SOcial MANipulator.)

Some days I feel as if my nicotine circulation and caffeine distribution systems are in total conflict with my alcohol utilization system.

Some people get lost in thought because it is unfamiliar territory. (ca. 1989)

Talent does what it can. - Genius does what it must. - I do what I get paid for. (ca. 1989)

Talent does what it can. - Genius does what it must. - I do what I want to and people pay me for it. (ca. 2005)

The correct attitude to take to ANY large and powerful organization is semi-paranoid watchfulness combined with a loaded gun. (ca. 1993)

In the first scene in an American "made for TV" movie about Adolf Hitler, they showed Hitler kicking a dog. - - Was that so that the average History major would recognize his as a "bad guy"?

The government is more afraid of editorial cartoons than they are of editorials because more people can see than can read. (ca. 2001)

The greatest contribution of the Arabic civilizations to the world has been Algebra. (This is a reason for keeping them around?) (ca. 1986)

The only thing worse than knee jerk conservativism is knee jerk liberalism. At least with knee jerk conservatives, you know what the resulting problems will be if you take their advice. (ca. 1999)

The price of eternal vigilance is freedom.

Those who can -- do. Those who can't -- teach. Those who cannot teach -- teach teachers. Those who cannot teach teachers -- sit on school boards. (ca. 1985)

Thucydidies once said "A nation that draws too broad a difference between its scholars and its warriors will have its thinking done by cowards.", and when it does, it will also find its fighting done by fools. (ca. 1980)

Unambiguously and unrhetorically expounded, the ubiquitously ascertained paradigm for loquacity, arrived at upon comme il faut examination of the opinions of the many, is that the most sagacious course of action to adopt in dialogue is to eschew prolix obfuscation or expostulatory pontification. - Plain Language Directions for the Conduct of General Staff Meetings

Unless the citizenry is actively (and intelligently) involved in finding out what their government is doing and unless they are successfully ensuring that their government is doing only what it is supposed to be doing, "universal suffrage" and "regularly scheduled elections" are no more "Democracy" than boiling an egg is hatching a chicken. (ca. 2001)

Using Iraq to attract 'terrorists' so that they can be trapped is a bit like using a goat to attract a tiger - whether this is a "good thing" depends on whether you are the goat or the hunter. (ca. 2004)

Until about 1970, the military had made steady, but slow, progress in learning how to conduct a barbarous business in a civilized manner. The introduction and dissemination of "remote killing" technology - where the soldier is never able to identify "the enemy" as human beings, bodes well to negate all of that progress, and WILL do so unless the military's leaders are constantly on guard against it happening. (Retirement dinner remarks)

War is an auction and troops are the currency you bid with. The highest bidder ALWAYS wins. Unfortunately for military planners, there are Pounds, Dollars, Marks, Rubles, Pesos, Yen, Francs, and a host of other currencies, each with their own value and with values that change from day to day, so that a winning bid today may well be a losing one tomorrow. (ca. 1989)

When I took University courses, the Readers told me that they tore the cover sheets off my papers so they could pretend that they didn't know who wrote them.

When looking for the truth it behooves one to occasionally open one's eyes.

"Whenever 'A' annoys or injures 'B' on the pretense of saving or improving 'X', 'A' is a scoundrel."; said H.L. Mencken - and if that 'X' is, in fact, 'B' - then 'A' is a hypocritical, self-righteous, pompous, scoundrel.

With its known side effects, isn't taking steroids for "bodybuilding" sort of like working on improving the bait while systematically destroying the trap? (2003)

You cannot conquer America, but America can conquer its ideals by abandoning their realities in favor of their names.

You cannot understand the "American Psyche" unless you accept, and don't try to reconcile, two things - [1] it suffers from a quite undeserved inferiority complex, and [2] it suffers from an equally undeserved superiority complex. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

You cannot understand the "Canadian Psyche" unless you understand two things - [1] that trying to answer the question"What is the Canadian Identity?" is trying to define the unknown in terms of the undefined, and [2] most Canadians don't particularly care what the answer is. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

You cannot understand the "British Psyche" unless you realize that its basis is "Things have been going to hell in a hand basket ever since the Irish, the Scots, the Nignogs, and everyone who isn't "just like me" was put on the Protected Species List. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

You cannot understand the "French Psyche" until you realize that, although the French will admit that although Jesus was Jewish and spoke Aramaic - God is Catholic and speaks French. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

You cannot understand the "Russian Psyche" until you realize that, to a Russian, any improvement in conditions just means that there is a greater distance to fall when the inevitable crash happens. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

Learning to fully understand the "Japanese Psyche" is simplicity itself - all you have to do is arrange for yourself and the last four generations of your forebearers to have been born Japanese and raised in Japan. - Cultural Differences - a Jaundiced View

You have to admire Canada just for existing. After all, the concept of a country formed by a bunch of drunks, to face a threat that didn't exist, and with absolutely no idea what they were doing or why they were doing it IS a bit absurd - and for the country to actually survive is nothing short of miraculous. (ca. 1999)

You will never succeed in killing all the rats if you don't kill the first one. (ca. 1976)

Zen is not about seeking to become enlightened, nor is Zen is about becoming enlightened. Zen is about discovering that you are enlightened. (ca. 1975)

Feel free to use any, or all, that appear appropriate.


Second, the post was not directed towards any one person. Although I would have to say having an argument with someone on a forum that updates at about 3-5 post a day ranks up there with "Stupid is as stupid does" no desrespect to those on here that are trying to do the right thing. However people that read post like this can see how ignorant some members posting here are, and form their opinions and decide to ignore the obvious trap into a meaningless argument of ideals that should not be argued about at all.I realized that, was being a bit self-sarcastic, and agree.

On the other hand, it IS a compliment to an officer when they find that Snr NCOs agree with their ideas on "The Philosophy and Practice of Discipline". After all, designing a saw blade is quite different from finding that it actually cuts well.

[notamotogrunt]

Hahaha your such a pussy....no please don't be a Marine to me..wah wah wah...grow up loser. Aight boot I hope you have had your fun being a retarded waste of space and life. I am sure your not even a Marine, just posing on the internet, cause if you were I would hate to work with you. You probably got your "purple heart" from friendly fire....hahahahaha run faster next time loser. You right, I can't handle a loser talking shit to me online.....ahhhhhhh kill me now.

LOL. YOu know what is truley funny about alot of the POG bitches. (Not all POGs are bitches by any means, Im just talking bout the ones that are) You are the most moto kinda guys when it comes to stuff like Semper FI ooh rah kill and being the best of the best etc etc. But what guys like you forget is, people judge you as a man well before and supersiding how they judge you as a marine. But unfortunatly for you, you dont even get the chance to see that. You are just advanced through the ranks without ever really growing as a man, but simply able to do your job without hurting yourself. NOW this type of advancement would be more than okay IF the Marine Corps was only a job and not a 'way of life' (lol). But as it is the marines is supposed to be a way of life and higher ranking individuals are supposed to provide you leadership in any aspect, work and life. Unfortunatly you are not a man, you are a scared kid who enlisted in the corps because you didnt have anywhere else to go (and there is honestly not a thing wrong with that, thats how ninety percent of marines came to be) and you have not grown since youve been in, you have simply been advanced through the ranks without ever growing as a man, and now when you are forced to talk amongst and to MEN you lose your mind cause youre not sure how to handle it. Look at your last post Sgt. you made a joke about someone taking friendly fire (thats signs of a good leader) and to top it all off you resorted to childish name calling (where does it say that in Sgts course that that is a good way to get your point accross) I hope for your sake and the marines 'under' you that you soon grow and learn how to conduct yourself as a man.

[CYBERFX1024]

I am a POG yes, but I have served all of my enlistment in Grunts. I trully have MORE respect for 03 NCO's than I do any other MOS. Because most of the NCO's I have dealt with, treat their Marines like Men not boys. The only time they treat them otherwise is when it is needed. Such as when a Marine f**ks up out in town, or on a field op. Because they actually treat the field like it is the real thing. And not "spending time away from the wife", or " as if they are on a picnic". That is how I have seen POGS act in the field. So SGT2164 the next time you treat your junior Marines like crap, just be happy you don't have to go on patrol with them.

[USMC_8156]

ENOUGH!

The lot of you are embarrassing the hell out of the rest of us. There are enough people on here to bash without having to bash each other. Meanwhile, as you all argue and call each other names, civilians and people from the sister services come on these boards and see you, and you make us look like a bunch of immature little kids who can't get their shit together. Knock it off.

I get it, SEMPERMAN, notamotogrunt, you don't like POG NCO's who think their shit doesn't stink. Fine. I get it, and I respect that. Do you think telling SGT6124 that he's such a punkass POG will help you? No. Grow up, and stop picking fights in a public forum. All people see is you two bringing how hardcore you are into every thread.

The rest of you, stop responding to shit like this. Every thread now comes down to us arguing amongst each other, and it's embarrassing. If you want to make fun of how pathetic someone is, pick another branch, not each other. We're all Marines, all of us go to Iraq, and we all get blown up and shot at whilst over there. I've known EVERYTHING from Riflemen to Mechanics to Radiomen to Cooks with CARs and Purple Hearts, so enough with this shit, alright?

[wzgriffith]

I love how much sh*t people talk online. Maybe this thread is the answer to the original question. Or maybe everyone takes themselves to seriously.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I am sorry but can someone explain to me what rank a POG NCO wears differently from an 03 NCO? Can someone also send me a copy of an 03 promotion warrant and show me where it is different from a POG promotion warrant? I am disgusted with Marines in here talking trash about each other because of where they work. I hope once you get past your first enlistment notamotogrunt, SEMPERMAN, and all others who are so immature, that you truly look at what is important and not the ignorant things. I agree with USMC_8156, badgering a Sergeant on the internet (when you don't even know him) and like wise for the Sgt, is really immature. Hopefully we have all learned a valuable lesson here.

[em2style]

Ok, so let me first say before all else, i am a PFC that has been in for just over a year. I work in an S-3 shop. For anyone who doesnt understand what this shop is, I handle training. anything from range to PME courses and MOS courses.

Now, one thing i have found reading through this thread is that we have Junior Marines and Senior Marines arguing about things from shaves on weekends, to skating out of stuff, to clothing regulations. Remember, as i have seen posted on here, there are orders on these things. It shouldnt matter what your personal feelings are, orders are written for a reason, its a guideline, and as you ( at least the Junior Marines) should have learned from boot, the orders can be enforced more strictly by your command, but not lighter. look at haircuts, order states one haircut per pay period, however my command requires a fresh cut every monday morning at PT. I dont follow the order i may get a warning, or a 6105. Depends on my NCO's mood really. Honestly though, one thing that everyone needs to realize is that the Marine Corps is CHANGING. Regardless how you feel about it, it is changing. Yes, its getting softer because of organizations that feel Marines are being treated poorly, or being hazed, or harrassed. These are the same organizations that contribute money to the government that then comes to us, so their opinions are take in to account by people much higher than us who dont even see how we operate on a day to day basis.

Also, there are Marines coming out of boot camp that have different morals and values then Marines that have been in for years. But thats because we are one, a different generation of Marines, and two because we are trained differently. No matter what branch your in, just like any job your at, you will have shitbags. People/ Military Personnel who dont do what their told, or complain about it, or have different views on it then you do. Its a fact, and its something that no matter how much or argue about, it will not change. But thats when you have to be the stand-up NCO, SNCO, even the stand-up LCPL and help those Marines that have views that arent the best for the MC. Personally, if i have a SNCO or NCO that rips me a new ass in public including in the office i work at in front of my "co-workers", it will piss me off. A good leader will pull you aside, say hey, can we talk for a sec, get you to a private area and tell you your f***ed up. In public, dont make a screaming fit out of it, dont go into DI mode. especially in public. You dont realize it, but when you act like that, YOUR giving the Marine Corps a bad name, not the person that has a poor shave. The public probably doesnt realize hes screwed up, but your screaming just made it evident, not that hes screwed up,but that your psychotic. Keep it toned down, and if they do give you shit for getting on them, use other means, then make it evident that they are scum/shitbags. Just a suggestion.

In the same aspect however, those Marines that are screwed up do need to be brought to someones attention, even if its their own. I'll admit that there has been more than one time that ive gotten up tired as hell in the morning on a saturday when im on libo and went to breakfast without a shave. most of the time, its because im out of my normal routine. My normal routine consists of me going to PT and then after cleaning up i shave. I got out of routine and lost track of what i forgot to do. I had an NCO see me and correct me, he walked up to my table at the resturant and calmly asked me if i realized that i didnt shave. i felt my face and was embarrassed, but he didnt bring it to anyone elses attention that it happened. I felt like an ass, and the point was made. And sure there are Marines who dont care if they get yelled at, but its easy to make a call to someones NCO, SNCO and say hey, your Marine was screwed up this weekend. If their as good of a SNCO/ NCO as most of you that are claim to be, you will handle the situation in a professional manner.

But for those on here, that are posting things like i dont care about this and that, or ill skate through this and that, i only worry about the things that matter. You are screwed up. Everything you do reflects who you are, it reflects what your peers think of you. Sure there are Marines that are stellar with work, but outside are shitbags, trust me, it reflects how people view you. And you may not care what people think, but if you are going to lead Marines, you need to set an example and a bar all the time, not just at work. Round them into good people as well as good Marines.

Again, just posting my opinion.

[LeaderOfMarines]

Ok, so let me first say before all else, i am a PFC that has been in for just over a year. I work in an S-3 shop. For anyone who doesnt understand what this shop is, I handle training. anything from range to PME courses and MOS courses.

Now, one thing i have found reading through this thread is that we have Junior Marines and Senior Marines arguing about things from shaves on weekends, to skating out of stuff, to clothing regulations. Remember, as i have seen posted on here, there are orders on these things. It shouldnt matter what your personal feelings are, orders are written for a reason, its a guideline, and as you ( at least the Junior Marines) should have learned from boot, the orders can be enforced more strictly by your command, but not lighter. look at haircuts, order states one haircut per pay period, however my command requires a fresh cut every monday morning at PT. I dont follow the order i may get a warning, or a 6105. Depends on my NCO's mood really. Honestly though, one thing that everyone needs to realize is that the Marine Corps is CHANGING. Regardless how you feel about it, it is changing. Yes, its getting softer because of organizations that feel Marines are being treated poorly, or being hazed, or harrassed. These are the same organizations that contribute money to the government that then comes to us, so their opinions are take in to account by people much higher than us who dont even see how we operate on a day to day basis.

Also, there are Marines coming out of boot camp that have different morals and values then Marines that have been in for years. But thats because we are one, a different generation of Marines, and two because we are trained differently. No matter what branch your in, just like any job your at, you will have shitbags. People/ Military Personnel who dont do what their told, or complain about it, or have different views on it then you do. Its a fact, and its something that no matter how much or argue about, it will not change. But thats when you have to be the stand-up NCO, SNCO, even the stand-up LCPL and help those Marines that have views that arent the best for the MC. Personally, if i have a SNCO or NCO that rips me a new ass in public including in the office i work at in front of my "co-workers", it will piss me off. A good leader will pull you aside, say hey, can we talk for a sec, get you to a private area and tell you your f***ed up. In public, dont make a screaming fit out of it, dont go into DI mode. especially in public. You dont realize it, but when you act like that, YOUR giving the Marine Corps a bad name, not the person that has a poor shave. The public probably doesnt realize hes screwed up, but your screaming just made it evident, not that hes screwed up,but that your psychotic. Keep it toned down, and if they do give you shit for getting on them, use other means, then make it evident that they are scum/shitbags. Just a suggestion.

In the same aspect however, those Marines that are screwed up do need to be brought to someones attention, even if its their own. I'll admit that there has been more than one time that ive gotten up tired as hell in the morning on a saturday when im on libo and went to breakfast without a shave. most of the time, its because im out of my normal routine. My normal routine consists of me going to PT and then after cleaning up i shave. I got out of routine and lost track of what i forgot to do. I had an NCO see me and correct me, he walked up to my table at the resturant and calmly asked me if i realized that i didnt shave. i felt my face and was embarrassed, but he didnt bring it to anyone elses attention that it happened. I felt like an ass, and the point was made. And sure there are Marines who dont care if they get yelled at, but its easy to make a call to someones NCO, SNCO and say hey, your Marine was screwed up this weekend. If their as good of a SNCO/ NCO as most of you that are claim to be, you will handle the situation in a professional manner.

But for those on here, that are posting things like i dont care about this and that, or ill skate through this and that, i only worry about the things that matter. You are screwed up. Everything you do reflects who you are, it reflects what your peers think of you. Sure there are Marines that are stellar with work, but outside are shitbags, trust me, it reflects how people view you. And you may not care what people think, but if you are going to lead Marines, you need to set an example and a bar all the time, not just at work. Round them into good people as well as good Marines.

Again, just posting my opinion.

For a Marine that has been in for considerably a smaller amount of time than most posters, I must say that you are one of the most well spoken and mature PFC I have heard from in a long time. That is well appreciated, and hopefully your career will reflect. You are correct on alot that you have said. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences in a mature conversation.

[wzgriffith]

For a Marine that has been in for considerably a smaller amount of time than most posters, I must say that you are one of the most well spoken and mature PFC I have heard from in a long time. That is well appreciated, and hopefully your career will reflect. You are correct on alot that you have said. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences in a mature conversation.

A-Men. That guy was right on.

[Snoop_Frogg]

Wow...I can't believe that I just read all of that nonsense before a pfc had to basically make more sense than most of the other posts in this forum. I can tell you one thing that bugs me about marines, and it's all been in the last 19 pages. Not caring what other people think about the actions that you do in your offtime. Look, a lot of us have been some kind of nasty once in a while...lets say you don't leave your room until sunday cause you're a freakin barracks rat, and all weekend you laid around, didn't do a whole lot, and didn't shave. I'm not saying that it's right, but is it really that wrong? You aren't in public showing your nasty face...what's the problem. But say you forget to shave before you go off base...than, coming on base you get caught without one what happens? well...one of my marines got hammered for it at the gate...and our sgtmaj got in his ass. Does it have to be that sgtmaj that gets in his ass for it? why can't it be stopped at the source? Seriously, i believe that your face should be able to rest a little bit from the razor bumps and irritated skin from shaving all week...but when your marines end up suffering in the end at the hand of the highest enlisted marine in your unit? Look...sometimes, as painful as it sounds it's alright to be a little lax on certain things...if you didn't shave one day, as long as it doesn't get crazy i could really care less...but when it's noticable, police yourself or other marines. It's kind of retarded to get a page 11 or something for unsat shave or haircut...and even if you're doing the bare minimum, or teaching others to do the same...not to say that you should do it...at least let the marines that are looking for you for guidance be a judge of what kind of marine they want to be, not the kind of marine that you think you are, whether you care or not...don't lose your pride whether you wanna bash pogs or bash grunts, just do you...and for that i will respect anyone on either side of the arguement...anyways, where would radio operators fall in the mix? cause you got them in support units, wing units, div units....what the hell am i....been in many dif units, and you can call me a pog if you want...just wanna know where i lay...and what about a few of my other marines that kinda slid over to my unit from other grunt units...are they not grunts, never grunts, or what...i'm lost guys...i thought that...well nevermind i'll just wait for an answer, i'm lost on the whole grunt/pog war.
let me throw this out there...army...aaaaand, GO