Flight Engineer retraining

[YaKkO]

Got our "unofficial" assignments over the weekend. They're waiting on class dates to make them official, but I am suppose to be going to Malmstrom AFB on Hueys. We graduate next week and I can't wait, feels like I've been here forever.

I can't say I would be pumped about the base but looking back I wonder if I would of liked the Huey. It sounds like a fun ass Airframe. Congrats man.

[theyard]

I can't say I would be pumped about the base but looking back I wonder if I would of liked the Huey. It sounds like a fun ass Airframe. Congrats man.

Thanks yakko, it's now officially an assignment but the base changed to F.E. Warren. Hueys were my second choice of airframe, so I'm pretty happy with what I got.

[LamJam]

feels like I've been here forever.

You think two months is long? Wait until you get to Kirtland.

[jasongrant]

do you still get paid BAH/BAS from your losing unit while in training??

[BigBaze]

do you still get paid BAH/BAS from your losing unit while in training??

Yes. You are on TDY orders through Lackland and all the survival schools.

[afmeekins]

I was looking through the thread and the etca site, but still not sure if you wear blues on the first day or not. I have heard from somewhere that you do, just trying to clarify. In addition, other then taking your 1042, do you really need your med records (I know that the etca site tells you to get them).

[bcoco14]

I was looking through the thread and the etca site, but still not sure if you wear blues on the first day or not. I have heard from somewhere that you do, just trying to clarify. In addition, other then taking your 1042, do you really need your med records (I know that the etca site tells you to get them).

If the first day is a Monday then yes. My class started on a Thursday or Friday so we showed up in ABUs. As for the medical records I brought mine others just had a 1042. But just know this, if you decide not to bring them and they are listed on the reporting instuctions you are uping your chances of getting sent home. I would just bring them.

[theyard]

I was looking through the thread and the etca site, but still not sure if you wear blues on the first day or not. I have heard from somewhere that you do, just trying to clarify. In addition, other then taking your 1042, do you really need your med records (I know that the etca site tells you to get them).

Bcoco14 is right about the blues, you only wear them on a Monday or Full Service when you graduate BFE. When it came to the medical records I called the guy named on the ETCA site and talked to him about it. He said bring them if you can but I haven't needed them yet and I graduate BFE on Wednesday. You should definitely bring multiple copies of your 1042 though.

[afmeekins]

Bcoco14 is right about the blues, you only wear them on a Monday or Full Service when you graduate BFE. When it came to the medical records I called the guy named on the ETCA site and talked to him about it. He said bring them if you can but I haven't needed them yet and I graduate BFE on Wednesday. You should definitely bring multiple copies of your 1042 though.

Thanks for the input. I went ahead and grabbed my med records today, didnt want to take the chance. Started the long journey of driving down there today.

[jasongrant]

good luck to you man! hope to see you down there sometime

[afmeekins]

good luck to you man! hope to see you down there sometime

Thanks man, yea definitely. I never knew it would be such a long and boring ride from Dover to down this way.

[ashtnn]

Found out today our deployment was cancelled. Barring any retasking happening between now and january-ish, hopefully I'll be putting in and starting sooner than I anticipated. Not holding my breath though, my shop has to be one of the most constantly deployed in my career field. Ah the downside of being at Lackland already...

[VidMXGuy]

Found out today our deployment was cancelled. Barring any retasking happening between now and january-ish, hopefully I'll be putting in and starting sooner than I anticipated. Not holding my breath though, my shop has to be one of the most constantly deployed in my career field. Ah the downside of being at Lackland already...

Yeah, I went through fundies and bfe a few years ago, I was also stationed at Lackland. Didn't get any per diem money with the exception of SERE, because I also got C-5s, which, FEIQ is still at Lackland for the time being. You'll miss the money man!

[ashtnn]

Found out today our deployment was cancelled. Barring any retasking happening between now and january-ish, hopefully I'll be putting in and starting sooner than I anticipated. Not holding my breath though, my shop has to be one of the most constantly deployed in my career field. Ah the downside of being at Lackland already...

Knew it was too good to be true...got another deployment.

[theyard]

Well no one's posted in a while so I'll put in an update. I'm up at SERE training and all of water survival is done, btw under water egress sucks. I love water and swimming but being dunked and rolled upside down at least 4 or 5 times was horrible but I pushed through. Heading out Saturday for our first time in the field and I'm kinda looking forward to it after being in billeting for the past 3 months. If anyone has any questions about the paperwork stuff or water survival stuff, shoot away.

[Turkey9186]

Happy valley, such a fun place! They don't like it when you duct tape an instructor in an outhouse during the night march. Play hide the flag in camp. Or, let your fellow student, who happened to be from EOD, rig up the flashbang grenades to go off at one time. Yes, we got additional "training." lol

I am still waiting on my physical. Hopefully sometime in the next six months.

Have fun, and remember it mostly a mind game. They will teach you an awful lot in a short time period though. Listen to what they have to say.

[Tuttle2207]

I am currently in the process of submitting my paperwork to cross training to Flight Engineer too, is there any advice you could give me from what you learned? Also, I am still a first term airman so I don't know if that makes a difference.

[Golther]

I am currently in the process of submitting my paperwork to cross training to Flight Engineer too, is there any advice you could give me from what you learned? Also, I am still a first term airman so I don't know if that makes a difference.

Most likely you will get it, if you pass you flight physical.

[ashtnn]

Called flight med today and found out my IFC III came back approved. Going to go pick it up in the morning and then it's just a matter of waiting until 20 Jan (my 3 year mark) to start the AFPC process. Question for those of you who had younger airman in their class. I know assignments vary widely and personal preference can play a big part, but do young guys typically get what they want? I don't know how class breakdowns are, but I'm thinking that when it comes down to it, I'd be picking from the bottom of the bucket. If I'm completely off on this one, then excuse my stupidity. Just would like to get a feel for what it's like. FWIW, as it stands I'm leaning more towards C-5s or KC-10s. I'm 100% aware those may have a larger amount of desire, which is why I'm trying to get a feel for whether or not I'd be shafted being the young guy in class.

[bcoco14]

Called flight med today and found out my IFC III came back approved. Going to go pick it up in the morning and then it's just a matter of waiting until 20 Jan (my 3 year mark) to start the AFPC process. Question for those of you who had younger airman in their class. I know assignments vary widely and personal preference can play a big part, but do young guys typically get what they want? I don't know how class breakdowns are, but I'm thinking that when it comes down to it, I'd be picking from the bottom of the bucket. If I'm completely off on this one, then excuse my stupidity. Just would like to get a feel for what it's like. FWIW, as it stands I'm leaning more towards C-5s or KC-10s. I'm 100% aware those may have a larger amount of desire, which is why I'm trying to get a feel for whether or not I'd be shafted being the young guy in class.

It goes like this. You fill out a dream sheet with your preferances. They take everybody's sheet from your class and stack them according to rank. Then they go down the top guys list until they can match him with what he wants according to his rankings. Then the next ranking guy and so on. So it really depends on whats open and what ther others in your class want. If everybody in your class wants HH-60's or C-130's and you want KC-10's or C-5's and there is a spot open for -10's or -5's then your chances are good that you can get what you want. If everybody is going for the same thing then being at the bottom of the list isn't going to pan out for you, most likely. When in the FY you go to school and what base you are curently stationed at can also play a part. Also lets say you are at Tinker and you list E-3's #29 they may just put you on E-3's to save on the PCS money. There are many factors that go into handing out assignments.

[YaKkO]

It goes like this. You fill out a dream sheet with your preferances. They take everybody's sheet from your class and stack them according to rank. Then they go down the top guys list until they can match him with what he wants according to his rankings. Then the next ranking guy and so on. So it really depends on whats open and what ther others in your class want. If everybody in your class wants HH-60's or C-130's and you want KC-10's or C-5's and there is a spot open for -10's or -5's then your chances are good that you can get what you want. If everybody is going for the same thing then being at the bottom of the list isn't going to pan out for you, most likely. When in the FY you go to school and what base you are curently stationed at can also play a part. Also lets say you are at Tinker and you list E-3's #29 they may just put you on E-3's to save on the PCS money. There are many factors that go into handing out assignments.

Or you could go full retard, and put E-3's as #9.... and get it when 1-8 were C-130's because you thought OKC would be a good family location....Which it is but then theres that whole you still gotta deal with AWACS problem lol

[ashtnn]

It goes like this. You fill out a dream sheet with your preferances. They take everybody's sheet from your class and stack them according to rank. Then they go down the top guys list until they can match him with what he wants according to his rankings. Then the next ranking guy and so on. So it really depends on whats open and what ther others in your class want. If everybody in your class wants HH-60's or C-130's and you want KC-10's or C-5's and there is a spot open for -10's or -5's then your chances are good that you can get what you want. If everybody is going for the same thing then being at the bottom of the list isn't going to pan out for you, most likely. When in the FY you go to school and what base you are curently stationed at can also play a part. Also lets say you are at Tinker and you list E-3's #29 they may just put you on E-3's to save on the PCS money. There are many factors that go into handing out assignments.

Much appreciated. Right now I'm stationed at Lackland so being as there's no flying mission other than the 433rd reserve guys and C-5 IQT, I won't be staying here thank fucking god (atleast as a permanent position for the time being.) And I had a feeling that's what would happen. Hopefully I wind up in a class where everyone wants -60 low and slow action or are looking out for their family like yakko. lol

[jasongrant]

7 more days and 2A is off my AFSC...i woulda never guessed this time has finally come!

[afmeekins]

Just to chime in. I'm currently down here at the school house and there is a new method of selecting your assignments. Instead of having a dream sheet with both aircraft's and their respective bases, you only get to pick what aircraft you would like to get and then it's all up to the functional on where you go from there.

[ashtnn]

So I went to pick up my 1042 this morning. I get to flight med and they tell me that they've already sent my 1042 to Kelly Clinic as that's where my records are maintained. Went over there and after a run around of like 45 minutes trying to figure out who the fuck had my stuff (they know fuck all about 1042s/flight physicals), we looked through my records and found it in the back. This is where I ran into an issue. When I called flight med the other day and was told it was ready, I specifically asked if it had been corrected to say 1A0/1/2 because when I first got it done in Oct they had only put 1A0 because "that's all it allows us to do." The guy told me when I called that it says 1A0/1/2 and I left it at that. Well now the one I currently have only says 1A0 and flight med is telling me I'll be fine with submitting that. They said the one they were looking at while I was on the phone with them had all 3, so now I've got to go back monday and get this shit sorted out. Good thing I have time until I can submit otherwise I'd be a little more pissed. Just once though, it'd be nice to get something done with out an hiccups. :yell

[bcoco14]

I don't think having 1a0 or any other AFSC listed really matters. I think, emphasis on think, that 1a0 has a higher requirement for DP so if you can qualify for that then you can qualify for any aircrew job. I know mine said 1a0 but my number 1 choice was 1a1 and that's what I got. I think it matters more what they put on your 422 at public health than what your 1042 has listed. The 1042 clears you for flight duties. A few other things to know are: make sure you sign your 1042 and now that you have been cleared for flight duties you now belong to flight medicine. If you see any other doctor other than a flight doc, that includes your old PCM, then your 1042 is invalid and you'll have to go see the flight doc to get a new one.

[jasongrant]

in fundies at the moment...my assessment of this class is that unless u dont have prior mx background, theres no way u should fail...with that said, a good 1.5-2 hrs a night of studying should be fine. tryin to stay awake thru T.O. Pubs/Changes....

[Jones]

I'm starting Aircrew Fundamentals on 14 February. Anyone else here starting the same day?

[Steveo16220]

2 hours of studying for fundies... bwahahahaha

[AeroMech78]

2 hours of studying for fundies... bwahahahaha

As unnecessary as that sounds, I would encourage everyone to go into fundies with this mindset. Better to over achieve and ace the tests than to underestimate and fall on your face. That said....fundies is pretty damn easy if you pay attention in class

[AeroMech78]

It's been a while since I updated so, here goes

Finished fundies back in June 2010 and washed out of BFE at Block IV shortly thereafter.
Picked myself up, washed the sand out of my mangina and went back to finish what I started 8 months later
Finished BFE in March 2011
SERE in April
Little Rock IQT/FIQ in November followed by water survival in P-Cola
Currently working through unit Indoc and loving every bit of it.

Should be cut loose in January with a desert rotation by January 2013

Good luck to everyone!

[YaKkO]

Your predicting a Deployment over a year out?

Other than that good job man way to bounce back. Welcome to the club!

[AeroMech78]

Your predicting a Deployment over a year out?

Other than that good job man way to bounce back. Welcome to the club!

Thats the word from AFRC according to our local command. My only guess is that reserve units get advance notice so that all us traditional reservists have the opportunity to notify civilian employers. At this point its all voluntary and apparently we always take over for a particular unit up north. Like everything else its subject to sudden change in plans but its got everyone making plans at this point

[Turkey9186]

Nine months down the road, and my medical waiver (lasic) leaves for AFRC tomorrow. And you guys thought the active duty was slow with physicals?
Hopefully the waiver will be back in a couple months and I will be flying again by this summer.

[ladyteeSrA]

Hello all. I have soooo many questions. so i have been trying to retrain for about a year now. i recently went status 5 and i called AFPC to ask what job i got picked up for and they told me 1n1x1a, which was my 1st choice. then i get to work today and get emails saying that my retrain for 1n1 was cancelled. i was crushed, but then i saw emails saying that i was approved for 1a411. i know this thread is FE but for the most part i believe we go through the same classes. so my question is how tough is combat survival training and water evasion? i do not know how to swim and i was wondering if it would be beneficial to try to learn before i leave. also does anyone know any 1a411's? if so can you tell me some things about the day to day job.

[purefun660]

I have spent endless hours reading "all" of the pages with this thread and there is a lot of great info so thanks for that. I leave for Lackland this week for class starting on the 31st. Anyone else on here going to be in that class? Here is my question, what did you bring with you that you did not need and what did you not bring that you wish you had? i have all the paperwork and medical stuff i.e. I can read the ETCA website. I am talking more along the lines of uniforms, civy clothes, gear. My RA said I do not get anything until I am done with this class so I am hoping that I do not get screwed by this. Any info along these lines would be appreciated. I guess I should mention I am going to Lackland for 1A1 AFSC, been in for 13 yrs, curently a 2A5X3B, been stationed at Lackland in the past for 5 yrs (MTI duty) so I know my way around. Cant wait to get there and get this going.

[purefun660]

Is this thread dead or what. No replies to my last post so if you are in the class that starts on the 31st see you there.

[bcoco14]

I have spent endless hours reading "all" of the pages with this thread and there is a lot of great info so thanks for that. I leave for Lackland this week for class starting on the 31st. Anyone else on here going to be in that class? Here is my question, what did you bring with you that you did not need and what did you not bring that you wish you had? i have all the paperwork and medical stuff i.e. I can read the ETCA website. I am talking more along the lines of uniforms, civy clothes, gear. My RA said I do not get anything until I am done with this class so I am hoping that I do not get screwed by this. Any info along these lines would be appreciated. I guess I should mention I am going to Lackland for 1A1 AFSC, been in for 13 yrs, curently a 2A5X3B, been stationed at Lackland in the past for 5 yrs (MTI duty) so I know my way around. Cant wait to get there and get this going.

Here is what you need. ABU's Blues and PT gear, civy's for when you go out with your class. Everything you need for class will be provided for you except pencils pens ect. maybe a notebook if you like to take notes. Your RA is right that you wont get anything issued to you (flight gear) until you pass BFE and know what airframe you are going to.

[BigBaze]

Hello all. I have soooo many questions. so i have been trying to retrain for about a year now. i recently went status 5 and i called AFPC to ask what job i got picked up for and they told me 1n1x1a, which was my 1st choice. then i get to work today and get emails saying that my retrain for 1n1 was cancelled. i was crushed, but then i saw emails saying that i was approved for 1a411. i know this thread is FE but for the most part i believe we go through the same classes. so my question is how tough is combat survival training and water evasion? i do not know how to swim and i was wondering if it would be beneficial to try to learn before i leave. also does anyone know any 1a411's? if so can you tell me some things about the day to day job.

Water training is awesome if you get to go to Pensacola, you do three days of parasailing. SERE is about 3 weeks, and depending what time of year you go through the outdoor part can be ok. I went through in July 2008 and the week in the woods wasn't so bad. You'll find out a lot about yourself through other parts of the course.

[ashtnn]

Quick question for any FTA that have gone through the application process in recent months. AFPC approved my eligibility request a few days ago so I'm in the process of putting together my package. I've got an ETP for a non-feeder AFSC drawn up that I will try and route to my CC within the coming weeks. I just feel like the that something's missing WRT the documents AFPC wants me to send back. I submitted for 1A2, 1A1, and 1A0.

They sent me the following: checklist that has phys exam letter, retainability letter, and flying duty letter checked off. Memorandum that I'm supposed to take to Public Health (I already have a completed 1042 that I got in Nov. thanks to a hook up at flight med, so I should just need my 422), the 3 physical qualification letters for flight med for the AFSCs I submitted, and my volunteer status for flying duty letter. I'm sure it's all the required documents but for what ever reason, I feel like it's less than I've seen others talk about in the past. Maybe the process changed but that's why I'm asking if any FTA have done this recently. FWIW, I'm using my early retraining option. Any help would be great.

[ladyteeSrA]

Water training is awesome if you get to go to Pensacola, you do three days of parasailing. SERE is about 3 weeks, and depending what time of year you go through the outdoor part can be ok. I went through in July 2008 and the week in the woods wasn't so bad. You'll find out a lot about yourself through other parts of the course.

Thanks BigBaze. it's been awhile since you've started the whole process of retraining and I wanted to know how you feel about your transition from a regular AFSC to an aircrew AFSC. Any pros and cons?

[ladyteeSrA]

Quick question for any FTA that have gone through the application process in recent months. AFPC approved my eligibility request a few days ago so I'm in the process of putting together my package. I've got an ETP for a non-feeder AFSC drawn up that I will try and route to my CC within the coming weeks. I just feel like the that something's missing WRT the documents AFPC wants me to send back. I submitted for 1A2, 1A1, and 1A0.

They sent me the following: checklist that has phys exam letter, retainability letter, and flying duty letter checked off. Memorandum that I'm supposed to take to Public Health (I already have a completed 1042 that I got in Nov. thanks to a hook up at flight med, so I should just need my 422), the 3 physical qualification letters for flight med for the AFSCs I submitted, and my volunteer status for flying duty letter. I'm sure it's all the required documents but for what ever reason, I feel like it's less than I've seen others talk about in the past. Maybe the process changed but that's why I'm asking if any FTA have done this recently. FWIW, I'm using my early retraining option. Any help would be great.

I am a FTA and just got approved last month and the requirements that you stated are the exact same ones I had to complete.

[fromxtor]

My package got approved on friday, received an e-mail saying AFPC approved me yesterday. Went to check my status that same day, and it was 5 already.

[AeroMech78]

Heads up for all you prospective FE's that are hoping for a gig on Guard or Reserve C-130H's. The brass are looking for ways to cut defense spending and the majority of stateside H2's in the inventory are on the chopping block. What does this mean for you? Unless you go to a unit that has H3's, you may need to start thinking long term. Check out this link (http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120203-027.pdf). The proposal also applies to legacy C-5A's.

[StormJordan]

scary stuff.^

[strangeluv8]

My package got approved on friday, received an e-mail saying AFPC approved me yesterday. Went to check my status that same day, and it was 5 already.


I was approved today...status 5 as well. Do you have class dates yet?

[ashtnn]

I was able to submit my application this past Friday. My 422 only took a few days to get back, instead of the two to three weeks or more that they originally told me. The only hassle was getting my ETP routed and signed by my CC. Had to stay late (night shift) a couple days to get that circus sorted out, but finally got that finished on friday. Hopefully it doesn't take too long for my CC to check the box, I'd like to go status 3 ASAP. I've got a two month TDY to qatar coming up so we'll see how this all plays out. I'd love to have class dates some time in june or july.

Also, just figured I'd post this as a heads up for anyone that comes down here and gets put on Kelly. I'm Vehicle Ops at Lackland and it seems like almost every night if not every other night (or morning,) we get a call from someone staying in Kelly billeting asking for a ride over to Lackland. Unfortunately, we cannot provide taxis to TDY personnel, either with our manpower or a base taxi. If you ever find your self stuck at Kelly, you're going to have to call a commercial taxi and get reimbursed. Hopefully this will alleviate some confusion if any of you guys find your self stuck in that situation. Just a friendly heads up, cause I feel like a dick when I tell them no.

[fromxtor]

I was approved today...status 5 as well. Do you have class dates yet?

I do 18 May

[fromxtor]

Also, just figured I'd post this as a heads up for anyone that comes down here and gets put on Kelly. I'm Vehicle Ops at Lackland and it seems like almost every night if not every other night (or morning,) we get a call from someone staying in Kelly billeting asking for a ride over to Lackland. Unfortunately, we cannot provide taxis to TDY personnel, either with our manpower or a base taxi. If you ever find your self stuck at Kelly, you're going to have to call a commercial taxi and get reimbursed. Hopefully this will alleviate some confusion if any of you guys find your self stuck in that situation. Just a friendly heads up, cause I feel like a dick when I tell them no.

Thanks for the heads up brother, I will be driving my POV from NC so driving from kelly shouldn't be a problem if I get put there.

[strangeluv8]

I do 18 May


Nice! When did you go status 6........and good luck!

[fromxtor]

Nice! When did you go status 6........and good luck!

About a week or two after I went status 5, make sure to call Formal training. They had my dates before they got my rip.

[40-water]

Not too sure if it matters to anybody but ill be attending the fundamentals course 13MAR! I started silently reading this post from the beginning; So many questions answered I appreciate all of those who posted their personal experiences. Im coming from the cop career field and am really anxious! Anyone else scheduled to start BFE 02APR??

[strangeluv8]

About a week or two after I went status 5, make sure to call Formal training. They had my dates before they got my rip.

Alright, thanks...I'll see what they say...

[fromxtor]

Not too sure if it matters to anybody but ill be attending the fundamentals course 13MAR! I started silently reading this post from the beginning; So many questions answered I appreciate all of those who posted their personal experiences. Im coming from the cop career field and am really anxious! Anyone else scheduled to start BFE 02APR??

I was supposed to go in march originally but I found out 45 days prior and had them change the date so I didnt miss the birth of my son in may.

[strangeluv8]

About a week or two after I went status 5, make sure to call Formal training. They had my dates before they got my rip.

After talking to the right person at AFPC, I have a seat now...Aircrew Fundies 6 Apr.

[Gman]

I have a Basic Engineer course date of 9 April. Is anyone else on this forum gona be there

[prelude657]

I am starting the whole FE retraining process. I have my flight physical friday. Has anyone that has gone through the school house know if they have c-5 slots available? That what I am hoping to get.

[40-water]

I am starting the whole FE retraining process. I have my flight physical friday. Has anyone that has gone through the school house know if they have c-5 slots available? That what I am hoping to get.

Hey i start fundies class on tuesday but it appears none of the "seasoned" FE's who used to post here do anymore. I have literally read about 20 posts shy of this ENTIRE thread and from the looks of it the numbers for each AC vary on a frequent basis. Slots that may be open now might not be open later. Hope this helps.

[ttribe]

I am a retired Engineer with 4 years in the Herk and 12 in the KC10. I'm a bit out of the loop as to retraining. I retrained in 86. Flew e models at Little Rock, and Yokota, then KC10s at Barksdale, and then Mcguire when the unit moved. If you have Fe questions, I would be happy to answer from my perspective. FYI, I might have retired, but I am civ service planning missions at Scott.

[Racker89]

Just got the news my cross training was approved but i was placed in an awaiting class seat date and won't be able to attend a class until have Apr 5th as i am in ALS until this date. Can someone tell me how they go about selecting which platform you will be flying in? I'm hoping to get the HH60 as i have flown in it before and would really like to be a FE on one. Any info would be great

[Golther]

Just got the news my cross training was approved but i was placed in an awaiting class seat date and won't be able to attend a class until have Apr 5th as i am in ALS until this date. Can someone tell me how they go about selecting which platform you will be flying in? I'm hoping to get the HH60 as i have flown in it before and would really like to be a FE on one. Any info would be great

If I remember correctly you will pick your assignment preferences about the 4th week of BFE.

[afmeekins]

I was just at the school house a couple of months ago and you would pick your aircraft around the first block of BFE. In addition, you only get to pick the aircraft you would like to get and not the base anymore, it changed last october. And on the aircraft that is available depends on the IQT class date for that air frame, so it's hit or miss most the time. Bc they're not going to let you wait 6 months for a class to open up.

[Racker89]

I was just at the school house a couple of months ago and you would pick your aircraft around the first block of BFE. In addition, you only get to pick the aircraft you would like to get and not the base anymore, it changed last october. And on the aircraft that is available depends on the IQT class date for that air frame, so it's hit or miss most the time. Bc they're not going to let you wait 6 months for a class to open up.


is there anyway to look up and see what may be available or is it just gonna be all about luck

[prelude657]

Hey i start fundies class on tuesday but it appears none of the "seasoned" FE's who used to post here do anymore. I have literally read about 20 posts shy of this ENTIRE thread and from the looks of it the numbers for each AC vary on a frequent basis. Slots that may be open now might not be open later. Hope this helps.

I appreciate the info. I really want to get C-5's at Travis. I have my flight physical tomorrow and I hope I get through it without any hang ups. What has everyone's approval time been once they have submittied their package to AFPC???? I am at McConnell AFB and I am ready to get out of here ASAP!!!!!

[40-water]

I turned in my package Jan 31, Feb 6 i got approved and Feb 7 i got my class rips. Im a FTA and i have no clue how i turned that fast but no complaints here!! Also, i just arrived to Wackyland last night. Anyone else starting class on tuesday PM me!

[ashtnn]

I turned in my package Jan 31, Feb 6 i got approved and Feb 7 i got my class rips. Im a FTA and i have no clue how i turned that fast but no complaints here!! Also, i just arrived to Wackyland last night. Anyone else starting class on tuesday PM me!

And the twilight zone that is AFPC continues to blow my mind. I submitted my package on the 26th of Feb, it was kicked back saying they needed my AF 2808(glad this was mentioned no where in any of the shit they sent me,) and I resubmitted on the 29th. I called the other day to check on the status and was told that per the retraining office, they need 5 business days before the end of the month to compile the package/records/etc and get it ready for the board which now is apparently on the 1st of every month.

So I missed that cut off date by a few days. Going off what you're saying, the dude had no clue what he was talking about. Either way, I should hopefully meet the board at the end of this month, or the 1st of april, when ever it actually convenes. I'm on my way out to an undisclosed location in SWA right now, so I haven't had computer access since wednesday. Hopefully I'll see some good news when I inprocess in a few days.

[Steveo16220]

is there anyway to look up and see what may be available or is it just gonna be all about luck

It is based on what slots are opened up for training. SMSgt West, functional for FE and Gunners, usually gets to talk to you before you grad, but you get a list off all the a/c and you rank them in preference order. Turn it in to your instructor who emails it off the SMSgt West. Hope and pray there is training for the a/c you want to fly on.

No more base of preference selection with a/c selection. Just update your dream sheet with the bases that have the a/c you want and hope for the best.

[strangeluv8]

I appreciate the info. I really want to get C-5's at Travis. I have my flight physical tomorrow and I hope I get through it without any hang ups. What has everyone's approval time been once they have submittied their package to AFPC???? I am at McConnell AFB and I am ready to get out of here ASAP!!!!!

Submitted my app the last week of Jan, I was approved and had class dates the last week of Feb. As soon as you get your signed 1042 and 422 from the Med Group, get your app submitted asap and hope for a quick turnaround. Like so many on this forum have said before, there is not a standard timeframe to gain approval/class dates. Try to be as patient as possible and eventually you will be on your way to Lackland.

[strangeluv8]

Anyone have an Aircrew Fundamentals class start date of 6 Apr? BFE 26 Apr?

[CREWDAWGTOFIREDAWG]

After 7 long months I finally got to status 5 (Awating Class Seat). I started the process in August, it took almost 2 months for AFPC to approve my retraining request,3 months for my IFC III to come back and 2 months extra because I had to re-apply for a retraining request because they close my case due to "no activity for over 120 days"(My Med Group took too long on my Class III). After it was approved again I submitted my complete package on March 9 and just got an e-mail tonight March 14, saying my application has been updated to a status 5 and that the Class dates will be loaded shortly.

[jensene]

I start fundies on 20 Mar and BFE on 9 Apr as well!

[ashtnn]

Went status 3 on the 14th. Hopefully about the 5th or 6th of april I'll have some good news!

[Turkey9186]

A year later, and my waiver finally made it to AFRC the end of last month. I don't think it took me this long to get qualified the first time!

[ashtnn]

I went status 5 today. Called AFPC and was told I got picked up for boom operator. Not my first choice (load was) but I'm glad I'll be flying nonetheless. And with any luck, hopefully I'll be up there with Baze and crew. This thread has been a ton of help, thanks guys. And best of luck getting through the process.

[strangeluv8]

Ah Lackland....who all is here for class starting this Friday??

[ashtnn]

Turns out I'm going flight engineer after all. Gotta love AFPC. :lol

[strangeluv8]

Turns out I'm going flight engineer after all. Gotta love AFPC. :lol

Nice! Did ya get class dates yet?

[ashtnn]

Nice! Did ya get class dates yet?

Not yet. I spoke with the CEA Pipeline manager earlier today. He initially emailed me to ask about my deployed status and that's how I found out I got 1A1 instead of 1A0. We came to the conclusion that it'd be best for me to be in the Sept 4th class, because my wife is having our baby in August. That, and other things that are happening between now and then, mean I'm going to have a busy summer. Quick question for anyone that might have gone to BFE around the same time. Do the Sept classes pretty much get last picks of the FY for airframes? Or do they end up falling under the FY13 airframe quotas? I know I'd still be an FY12 student, but I wasn't sure about the pool of assignments. Seems to me that trying to get a KC-10 or C-5 around that time is going to be a crap shoot, especially as a SrA.

[Max Power]

It will be for FY13 because you will be attending an Initial Qual class in that Fiscal Year.

[ashtnn]

Hah, I feel like an idiot. Guess I should have thought about that part. Thanks max.

[ashtnn]

Just spoke with the CEA pipeline manager. He's going to go ahead and load my classes today, with an aircrew fundies start date of 14 Sept. Can't wait till the time finally comes.

[Airpower26]

Is anyone else starting fundies 8 June? Any advice??

[akruse]

Is anyone else starting fundies 8 June? Any advice??

Show up. It will be one of the easier courses you do in your career.

[bcurtis]

Can anyone shed some light for me on the whole staying on Kelly vs. staying on Lackland while in training. Everyone says to stay at Kelly. But will it be approved to stay on Kelly if there is billeting available on Lackland.
Thank you!

[bcoco14]

Can anyone shed some light for me on the whole staying on Kelly vs. staying on Lackland while in training. Everyone says to stay at Kelly. But will it be approved to stay on Kelly if there is billeting available on Lackland.
Thank you!

If you stay at Lacland you get Lackland per diem, if you stay at Kelly you get full rate per diem. You don't need a non-A on Kelly because it's military billiting, so yes you will get paid for it. Kelly has no chowhall that why you get the full rate. It states that in the JFTR. Just a word to the wise though, if you stay at Kelly have a car or findsomeone who has a car. Otherwise you'll be spending your per diem on taxis to and from the school house.

[Airpower26]

Can anyone shed some light for me on the whole staying on Kelly vs. staying on Lackland while in training. Everyone says to stay at Kelly. But will it be approved to stay on Kelly if there is billeting available on Lackland.
Thank you!


Yea I just called the Lackland Inn and the lady asked what I was comming for and she told me I could choose Kelly or Lackland but she suggested Kelly because the per diem rate is higher ;-)

[fromxtor]

Anyone else start class on the 18th of May?

[Airpower26]

Anyone else start class on the 18th of May?


I was supposed to but they decided to be genuises and send me to ALS....

[prelude657]

I am so frustrated. I did my flight physical on the 9th of April. Its not back yet. Has anybody's physical taken the whole 60 days?

[prelude657]

sorry 9th of March
I am so frustrated. I did my flight physical on the 9th of April. Its not back yet. Has anybody's physical taken the whole 60 days?

[bcoco14]

I am so frustrated. I did my flight physical on the 9th of April. Its not back yet. Has anybody's physical taken the whole 60 days?

I know people that have waited 3-6 months for it to come back.

[ANALYST]

Good Afternoon, what was it like to go from the DIRTY HERC to the KC-10? I have been an FE on the HERC for a little bit over a year now and just wonder how much of a change it was. I know the mission is two times different from what we do in the HERC but in your opinion, what are the pros and cons of the switch?


I am a retired Engineer with 4 years in the Herk and 12 in the KC10. I'm a bit out of the loop as to retraining. I retrained in 86. Flew e models at Little Rock, and Yokota, then KC10s at Barksdale, and then Mcguire when the unit moved. If you have Fe questions, I would be happy to answer from my perspective. FYI, I might have retired, but I am civ service planning missions at Scott.

[weezy]

So my package goes up for review on Monday and FE is my number one. Just curious how fast everybody found out they were apporved and how fast they recieved their class dates? I am currently deployed and will be back in the States in October, if that matters.

[ashtnn]

So my package goes up for review on Monday and FE is my number one. Just curious how fast everybody found out they were apporved and how fast they recieved their class dates? I am currently deployed and will be back in the States in October, if that matters.

For CAREERS:

The board met on a friday, and the following monday I called in the morning because I'm impatient. The guy on the phone of course had no clue what he was talking about, and said I wouldn't get the results 'til the end of the month. I went and did some other stuff for a few hours (I was deployed) and then checked vMPF probably 3 or 4 hours later. Behold, status 5! I had a bit of a mix up and was given a 1A0 slot (5 names selected, 3 slots left) and after some tweaking ended up moving to a 1A1 slot. The CEA pipeline manager (MSgt Weber) emailed me that thursday about my deployed status and asked me about my class date availability. So if you're anything like me, you'll probably hear from him this week. It's nice to actually talk over the phone with the person who controls class seats, just in case you have special circumstances like I do. That said, I still don't have my class dates loaded and this was 3ish weeks since we settled on a fundies date. He said that's mostly due in part to the fact that I'm already stationed at Lackland and it's a non-funded TDY because I won't actually be going anywhere. For what ever reason, some one at the AF level is being difficult and it's taking some effort to actually get it taken care of. Good luck man. On my selection board I think something like 15-20 FTA slots got picked up, so unless you're a complete shitbag you shouldn't have any issues.

[weezy]

For CAREERS:

The board met on a friday, and the following monday I called in the morning because I'm impatient. The guy on the phone of course had no clue what he was talking about, and said I wouldn't get the results 'til the end of the month. I went and did some other stuff for a few hours (I was deployed) and then checked vMPF probably 3 or 4 hours later. Behold, status 5! I had a bit of a mix up and was given a 1A0 slot (5 names selected, 3 slots left) and after some tweaking ended up moving to a 1A1 slot. The CEA pipeline manager (MSgt Weber) emailed me that thursday about my deployed status and asked me about my class date availability. So if you're anything like me, you'll probably hear from him this week. It's nice to actually talk over the phone with the person who controls class seats, just in case you have special circumstances like I do. That said, I still don't have my class dates loaded and this was 3ish weeks since we settled on a fundies date. He said that's mostly due in part to the fact that I'm already stationed at Lackland and it's a non-funded TDY because I won't actually be going anywhere. For what ever reason, some one at the AF level is being difficult and it's taking some effort to actually get it taken care of. Good luck man. On my selection board I think something like 15-20 FTA slots got picked up, so unless you're a complete shitbag you shouldn't have any issues.

Hm, haven't seen it change from a status 3 to status 5 on vMPF. They would have reviewed it this past Monday. I'm impatient as well and would like to call to see if there's anything going on, but probably shouldn't and just be patient.

[Golther]

Hm, haven't seen it change from a status 3 to status 5 on vMPF. They would have reviewed it this past Monday. I'm impatient as well and would like to call to see if there's anything going on, but probably shouldn't and just be patient.

Give it some time man it should change by Friday but I think AFPC "Official" answer is up to 3 weeks so you will leave them alone. If it doesn't change though then you didn't picked up on this board but you have 2 more boards to go through.

[weezy]

Give it some time man it should change by Friday but I think AFPC "Official" answer is up to 3 weeks so you will leave them alone. If it doesn't change though then you didn't picked up on this board but you have 2 more boards to go through.

You're right. I think I'll wait until the third week at the earliest to call. I wish there were some personnelist people on here to get in there and see what's going on!

[ScarlettGTO]

Hey guys, new to the thread and as much as I wanted to skim through 360 pages it just didn't seem all to practical and rather time consuming. Just looking to be pointed in the right direction by some of the people who already do the job. I'm pushing real hard this next cycle to make TSgt and with that will come the want to cross train. I am currently Security Forces and just can't do it anymore for multiple reasons.

I do have a few questions.

Do you get to select your airframe or are you selected for it? I am extremely interested in the Pave Hawk.

Typically how long is the school?

What are the ASVAB score requirements?

Thank you all in advance for the information and any other advice that is offered. It is still a ways off for me but something I keep thinking about in regards to cross training.

Thanks!

[Golther]

Hey guys, new to the thread and as much as I wanted to skim through 360 pages it just didn't seem all to practical and rather time consuming. Just looking to be pointed in the right direction by some of the people who already do the job. I'm pushing real hard this next cycle to make TSgt and with that will come the want to cross train. I am currently Security Forces and just can't do it anymore for multiple reasons.

I do have a few questions.

Do you get to select your airframe or are you selected for it? I am extremely interested in the Pave Hawk.

Typically how long is the school?

What are the ASVAB score requirements?

Thank you all in advance for the information and any other advice that is offered. It is still a ways off for me but something I keep thinking about in regards to cross training.

Thanks!

As for the airframe selection it has changed since I went about a year and 1/2 ago.

School Length 2 Months for Fundies and Basic Flight Engineer course and 1 month for SERE. The classes after that vary in length depending on your airframe for example for C-130's it is 6 months at Little rock.

The ASVAB score I think is still General 55 but that is no indicator of how difficult the job is. The C-130 is the only airframe I have experience with as an engineer but it can be very challenging at times.

[ScarlettGTO]

Golther -

What were some of the challenges you faced on that airframe? I'm want the Pave Hawk the most due to it's mission and the opportunity to be the gunner/hoist operator.

Also what is the deployment rate? Whether it is high or low it doesn't bother me. I enjoy going out often.

[Golther]

Golther -

What were some of the challenges you faced on that airframe? I'm want the Pave Hawk the most due to it's mission and the opportunity to be the gunner/hoist operator.

Also what is the deployment rate? Whether it is high or low it doesn't bother me. I enjoy going out often.

One my challenges was after having and in flight emergency and having to do TOLD (Takeoff and Landing Data) while coming down to a very short runway, while making sure the pilots do not mess up. Then afterwards I had to assist the crew chief in diagnosing what was wrong and what was needed to fix it. I doesn't sound like much but I can guarantee that it was difficult.

The deployments it honestly varies from airframe to airframe and base to base actually. For example C-5 don't deploy they just go TDY drop crap off and then fly home. Some C-130 bases like Dyess or Pope have an extremely high tempo. Mine personally it all depends on the manning, because I am going to be leaving very shortly on my first Deployment after being here about a year. I hear it can be longer or shorter depending on if you want to go or not, but you will go eventually unless there is a legitimate reason why you cannot.

[bcoco14]

Golther -

What were some of the challenges you faced on that airframe? I'm want the Pave Hawk the most due to it's mission and the opportunity to be the gunner/hoist operator.

Also what is the deployment rate? Whether it is high or low it doesn't bother me. I enjoy going out often.

I think I may have PMd you about this a while back but I'll put it out there for others as well.

Like Golther said Fundies/BFE and SERE are 2 and 1 month respectively. I know the -60 was highly sought after in my class and tends to be a popular choice. I have heard that the selection process has changed for airframe and base to just airframe preference.

Once you get to your airframe qual the times differ from one to the other. I know CV-22's are a little over a year. C-130's are 6 months and -60's I think are around 6-9 months depending flight availability.

I'm a KC-10 guy so I will run through that aspect. I think Bigbaze is the only other KC-10 FE that's on here. You will do simulator training for about 4 months and then move on to the flight portion of the training that lasts 2-3 months, again depending on flights, how many people they have in the FTU and how well or not so well you are doing in training. Once you finish there you head over to you unit for some more training. They give you 100 days to get your mission qualification. Don't quote me because I haven't looked it up in a while and don't work in the training office, but I think if that's not it it's close to that.

Deployments- KC-10 crews deploy for 2 months at a time. Not that we don't want to deploy for longer periods. We have quarterly training requirements that can only be accomplished at home station. We deploy 2-3 times a year plus when you aren't deployed you still are doing various types of missions.

[ScarlettGTO]

Any info on what the CV-22 mission is for the AF? The 60 is my main focus because of what I had mentioned earlier. I would go after aerial gunner but from what I have seen it isn't critical or if it is it doesn't need TSgt's. If someone knows otherwise please let me know.

Thanks again guys.

[bcoco14]

I don't know what the -22 mission is other than it's a Spec Ops type mission. If you want to shoot guns though, that would be another route to take. They have 2 FE's and one of them takes gunner duties.

I have also been told it's one of the hardest schools to get through. I've been told even experienced FE's who crossflow still washout. I don't say that to discourage anyone, just to let you know what you might be getting yourself into.

[ScarlettGTO]

bcoco14 -

Appreciate the info, we did talk ages ago about FE crosstrain. I do want to shoot guns and fly, hopefully aerial gunner opens up as critical and will take TSgt's but if not FE is still a route I am really interested in. I'm going to do some research into the -22 and -60. I will probably go talk to a career adviser after my PCS. The crosstrain is still a good ways away as I haven't even made TSgt yet.

[Golther]

bcoco14 -

Appreciate the info, we did talk ages ago about FE crosstrain. I do want to shoot guns and fly, hopefully aerial gunner opens up as critical and will take TSgt's but if not FE is still a route I am really interested in. I'm going to do some research into the -22 and -60. I will probably go talk to a career adviser after my PCS. The crosstrain is still a good ways away as I haven't even made TSgt yet.

If you get gunner don't do AC-130 Gunships unless the only thing you like to do is reload the 105mm and 40mm.

[weezy]

Just curious. If you submit a re-train pakcage and it's not complete/missing something; would they notify you or will it go through all three boards and be disapproved?

[40-water]

Ok maybe I can help shed some light on a few questions that popped up since I havent hit here in awhile. I graduate BFE tomorrow. You only get to pick your airframe per the dream sheet..which is a dream. Needless to say two of my classmates got their 11th pick. For -60's good luck. That was my 1st choice but for only having slots open for E4's/E8s, UH1, KC10, and slick 130's until the FY...those are your options of course we all know things change. They operate on earliest available FTU class dates. The last two classes including mine gave out a CV-22 slot but that school has a 50% washout. Not to scare as mentioned above but it is a intense aircraft with an intense mission. My lineup was rotary with 60s up top and they gave me Hueys. Gunners stopped picking up AD FTA about 4 months ago. They are also creating a new AFSC. 1A9. Its basically to pull all rotory 1A1, loads and gunners into one job. AND they are opening it to Non priors. I dont agree.

Now that im Done with this first step ill try to be on here more often to answer questions on a more recent basis. This forum was gold with a ton of info. Good luck to all....Also, Im a Security Forces member as well to the individual who posted earlier so prepare to be an underdog. I caught alot of hell hahaha.

[prelude657]

Oh damn there is no C-5 spots available? damn!!! Well KC-10 was my second choice. Im trying to get to Travis. I am still waiting on my flight physical. The med group at McConnell is amazing here (being very sarcastic). They said my flight physical would be approved on May 6th, comes to find out that they messed up on it, so it has to go back to MAJCOM to get signed off. Im hoping to get it before the board this month. I want out of here fast! Has anybody went up against the board and been picked up for training the following month?

Did anybody get orders to a C-130 base overseas???

There are only 12 slots left for ssgt as of this morning. Anybody going through tech school know if there has been alot of second term airmen in their classes???

[40-water]

As of when we filled out our dream sheets there wasnt any word of c-5 classes till the FY. But in the AF all is subject to change. I didnt meet a board. I turned in my package Jan31 and had a class date Feb7. I was astounded to say the least; Maybe i did meet a board...Whatever idk how the nightmare at AFPC works. From all of the graduations they made us go to(as Motivation and support) I havent seen anybody get an overseas assignment right out the gate. I was hoping for Yakota myself. There was a number of second term personnel in training be it SSgt's to MSgt's. Alot of TSgt's recently too.

[prelude657]

As of when we filled out our dream sheets there wasnt any word of c-5 classes till the FY. But in the AF all is subject to change. I didnt meet a board. I turned in my package Jan31 and had a class date Feb7. I was astounded to say the least; Maybe i did meet a board...Whatever idk how the nightmare at AFPC works. From all of the graduations they made us go to(as Motivation and support) I havent seen anybody get an overseas assignment right out the gate. I was hoping for Yakota myself. There was a number of second term personnel in training be it SSgt's to MSgt's. Alot of TSgt's recently too.

did you get a base that you wanted? did anybody pick kc-10's?

[prelude657]

As of when we filled out our dream sheets there wasnt any word of c-5 classes till the FY. But in the AF all is subject to change. I didnt meet a board. I turned in my package Jan31 and had a class date Feb7. I was astounded to say the least; Maybe i did meet a board...Whatever idk how the nightmare at AFPC works. From all of the graduations they made us go to(as Motivation and support) I havent seen anybody get an overseas assignment right out the gate. I was hoping for Yakota myself. There was a number of second term personnel in training be it SSgt's to MSgt's. Alot of TSgt's recently too.

did you get a base that you wanted? did anybody pick kc-10's?

[40-water]

Hell to the no i didnt get a base i wanted haha. Im going to the Hueys out of Malmstrom. One guy got Jstars which was his number one but his joint spouse screwed up so they gave him his number 3 which was -10's out of Mcguire

[prelude657]

Hell to the no i didnt get a base i wanted haha. Im going to the Hueys out of Malmstrom. One guy got Jstars which was his number one but his joint spouse screwed up so they gave him his number 3 which was -10's out of Mcguire

Im tired of being in the middle of no where. I really hope that I get Travis. I talked to my boy and he said that I will almost positively get KC-10's if I put it on my sheet. I am prior maintenance on KC-10's. I just dont want to go back to Mcguire. Was he the only 10 guy in your class??

[40-water]

Yeah he was. -10s was his 3rd choice. Was also this girl in my class' 2nd choice but they gave her the 11th choice of -130s at little rock

[Hendo]

I submitted my retrainning package, It went status 3 the 19th of April. I never got to see status 5, on the 8th of May it went directly to status 6. First day of basic flight engineer is June. Is anyone going to class during the same time? Hit me up if so.

[WingZero]

I am SF trying to retrain into flight engineer. Does anyone happen to have an example for the Feeder AFSC waiver? I'm confused on this process and no one around here seems to have an answer either. I'm pretty sure it's explained somewhere in this thread but there 362 pages of it, so my enlistment will probably be up before I find it in there.

Anyway, I know it has to be approved by the AFCFM but how? Do i submit my letter with the rest of my package on the AFPC site? Or does it get submitted to the MPF? AFI 36-2101 seems to be about as clear as mud.

[40-water]

Write it in standard memorandum format. I stated in mine that i was "a 7 level in 3P0 career field and do not meet the feeder requirement blah blah.. I am requesting it be waved yada yada" Dont mean to be a a55 but i dont want to write it for you haha. Its really easy, short and to the point. Yes, i also put mine in the package with all the other documents but AFPC claimed they didnt get it and someone from the CEA section emailed me direct asking for it. If for some strange reason you just cant get the memo right or what not, PM me and ill help you from there. Hope this points you in the right direction.

Also, it took me 3 days off and on to read this entire thread. Its really easy to bypass the plethora of duplicate questions that have been answered a number of times. Let me know if you need more help.

[prelude657]

I submitted my retrainning package, It went status 3 the 19th of April. I never got to see status 5, on the 8th of May it went directly to status 6. First day of basic flight engineer is June 8th. Is anyone going to class during the same time? Hit me up if so.

whoa!!! that is crazy!!! I was going to go on a cruise in august. It looks like if I turn mine in this month I will be in text school by then. Thats fine by me!!!!

[Hendo]

Make sure you submit your package in before the 20th of the month, they review after that, then you should find out early that next month. I called them, they said I won't know till the 20th of May, but found out way earlier. Pretty pumped. (5th Attempt to retrain)

[Hendo]

What airframes can you apply for when in school, and what part of school do you request? Does the airframes show bases and/or rank? What is the main airframe that has been seen as a #1 choice for people?

[akruse]

There isn't a question that you could think of that hasn't been answered 23 times already in this great thread. Take some time and read it from start to finish. You'll learn a lot.

[40-water]

There isn't a question that you could think of that hasn't been answered 23 times already in this great thread. Take some time and read it from start to finish. You'll learn a lot.

^Well played.^
Our class chose airframes in block 3. They dont even submit them to HQ until Block 6 and you dont get notified of your assignment until block 7 or 8. A class before mine found out as they walked the graduation line! It varies, it really does. But as Akruse said, take the time to read this thread. Hundreds of questions you may have others have had before you. Go to this school with an open mind though. I read this thread front to back and still got hit with a few surprises in the school house i thought i was prepared for. Cheers.

[Hendo]

^Well played.^
Our class chose airframes in block 3. They dont even submit them to HQ until Block 6 and you dont get notified of your assignment until block 7 or 8. A class before mine found out as they walked the graduation line! It varies, it really does. But as Akruse said, take the time to read this thread. Hundreds of questions you may have others have had before you. Go to this school with an open mind though. I read this thread front to back and still got hit with a few surprises in the school house i thought i was prepared for. Cheers.

I have read through this entire forum. There isn't an answer to all airframes and bases at all through here. I didn't ask the question without reading through. Took me couple days to finish reading through it.

[Kegler]

I have read through this entire forum. There isn't an answer to all airframes and bases at all through here. I didn't ask the question without reading through. Took me couple days to finish reading through it.

Try looking on AMS under enlisted authorized for the bases...or....go to the E-pubs site and look at the 1A1 CFETP (http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/CFETP1A1X1.pdf) (which has base/rank in the table). It is a long list of bases...then you can use google or whatever to put airframes to it....and bam...you answer your own question using your own research.

[nipstatus]

Package submit April 24. Board April 30. Call from Functional May 9. Status 5 May 14. The approval process has moved a lot faster then expected. I have a few questions. I called AFPC asking to leave after a certain date to attend school to not miss the birth of my son and my brothers wedding, which I am the Best Man. The birth and wedding are within a month of each other. She said that i can't make that request until i am given a date. Is that true or she blowing smoke, which they tend to do. Second question, What is this "TOLD" many of you have spoken of. Thanks for the help.

[40-water]

I have read through this entire forum. There isn't an answer to all airframes and bases at all through here. I didn't ask the question without reading through. Took me couple days to finish reading through it.

Ok, the dream sheet you fill out has 12 airframes 1A1's fly on. You number them accordingly per your preference. They dont care what base you want; all you do is put a number by the craft you desire most and pray. Then the CFM or whoever checks to see what airframes have current open slots/class seats for the FY. Two of my classmates got their 11th choice. Yes you can see what what bases fly what but honestly besides getting stuck at Global Strike bases ("this guy") IMHO you'll be gone so frequently it wouldnt even matter hehe..

[40-water]

Package submit April 24. Board April 30. Call from Functional May 9. Status 5 May 14. The approval process has moved a lot faster then expected. I have a few questions. I called AFPC asking to leave after a certain date to attend school to not miss the birth of my son and my brothers wedding, which I am the Best Man. The birth and wedding are within a month of each other. She said that i can't make that request until i am given a date. Is that true or she blowing smoke, which they tend to do. Second question, What is this "TOLD" many of you have spoken of. Thanks for the help.

I dont think she's blowing smoke. Status 5 means you got selected for further processing blah blah. When you go 6 you'll get class dates for BFE and sometimes SERE. Thats when you can request a change but expect another set of AFPC battles with that. "TOLD" is the engineer bread and butter among many other things. Its "Take-off and Landing Data"; Reading Performance charts and obtaining numbers for a bunch of variables for of course takeoff,landing,cruise,so on so forth. Maybe a non-rookie could chime in and give a more specific answer. I dont really want to fill your head up with stuff and you mis-interpret later down the road you know?

[nipstatus]

I dont think she's blowing smoke. Status 5 means you got selected for further processing blah blah. When you go 6 you'll get class dates for BFE and sometimes SERE. Thats when you can request a change but expect another set of AFPC battles with that. "TOLD" is the engineer bread and butter among many other things. Its "Take-off and Landing Data"; Reading Performance charts and obtaining numbers for a bunch of variables for of course takeoff,landing,cruise,so on so forth. Maybe a non-rookie could chime in and give a more specific answer. I dont really want to fill your head up with stuff and you mis-interpret later down the road you know?

Good looking for the reply. Thanks

[bcoco14]

Try looking on AMS under enlisted authorized for the bases...or....go to the E-pubs site and look at the 1A1 CFETP (http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/shared/media/epubs/CFETP1A1X1.pdf) (which has base/rank in the table). It is a long list of bases...then you can use google or whatever to put airframes to it....and bam...you answer your own question using your own research.

Kinda, Both the AMS system and the CFETP list bases that FE's straight out of tech school can't go to. It does have the listing of places you can go though just a lot of them you have to have prior experience.


Ok, the dream sheet you fill out has 12 airframes 1A1's fly on. You number them accordingly per your preference. They dont care what base you want; all you do is put a number by the craft you desire most and pray. Then the CFM or whoever checks to see what airframes have current open slots/class seats for the FY. Two of my classmates got their 11th choice. Yes you can see what what bases fly what but honestly besides getting stuck at Global Strike bases ("this guy") IMHO you'll be gone so frequently it wouldnt even matter hehe..

The process has changed slightly since I went through, but one of the things that hasn't is who get first crack at assignments. After you fill out your dream sheet you are stacked according to rank. Highest ranking in that class gets first crack at assignments and so on down the line. That would explain why someone in your class had an airframe ranked higher on there dream sheet and somebody who had it ranked lower ended up being the one that got the slot.

Also, timing, timing, timing. It all depends on when you get your class dates as to what kind of selection pool you will end up with. This time of year they are filling the "left overs" of what hasn't been filled for the FY. In the next few classes people will start being put into the FY13 classes and the options that are available are going to go way up.


I dont think she's blowing smoke. Status 5 means you got selected for further processing blah blah. When you go 6 you'll get class dates for BFE and sometimes SERE. Thats when you can request a change but expect another set of AFPC battles with that. "TOLD" is the engineer bread and butter among many other things. Its "Take-off and Landing Data"; Reading Performance charts and obtaining numbers for a bunch of variables for of course takeoff,landing,cruise,so on so forth. Maybe a non-rookie could chime in and give a more specific answer. I dont really want to fill your head up with stuff and you mis-interpret later down the road you know?

Sometimes they will work with you as far as changing class dates. Usually this is because of deployments ect. A child's birth they would probably work with, a wedding it's going to me hit or miss. The CFM is going to be the one that has the say in moving class dates more than AFPC will.

TOLD is as you stated, except it has nothing to do with cruise, holding ect. It's just takeoff and landing, hence Take off and landing data. Also I wouldn't call it the "bread and butter" of what we do. Your "bread and butter" is going to be systems knowledge. Knowing how your systems work and how they work together is going to be a key to success. Don't get me wrong TOLD is very important but many airframes have computer programs that will run it for you. You'll still have to hand crank it from time to time for various reasons so you'll need to stay up on it. If your airframe has a e-told program I wouldn't count on being able to even use it for another year or longer.

[Hama]

I went status 5 and status 6 on the same day, may 8th. Went status 5 in the morning, and status 6 later that day.

Because they were so close together, I'm not sure of the order things happened in, but I was already contacted by the CEA guy, accepted my retraining, turned in my extension form / training rips and am waiting to go to Aircrew fundies. I leave next month, I won't post the class date for obvious reasons. If your date is in June we're probably going to be in class together.

Coming from barksdale, so its only a 6 hour drive, definitely bringing my car and going to try and stay at Kelly. I've got some credit cards that want that sweet sweet per diem money. If anyone is in the process of putting together a package and needs help let me know, I definitely went through an ordeal getting everything squared away.

[prelude657]

Alright now Im getting a little upset. The med group at my base has told me it will take 60 days to get my flight physical back..it has been 75 days now. no physical back yet. I was trying to make the board this month but it doesnt look like Im going to make it. This is holding me back from putting my package in. Has anybody encountered this and is there anyone I can contact to find out what is going on?

[Hendo]

Ok, the dream sheet you fill out has 12 airframes 1A1's fly on. You number them accordingly per your preference. They dont care what base you want; all you do is put a number by the craft you desire most and pray. Then the CFM or whoever checks to see what airframes have current open slots/class seats for the FY. Two of my classmates got their 11th choice. Yes you can see what what bases fly what but honestly besides getting stuck at Global Strike bases ("this guy") IMHO you'll be gone so frequently it wouldnt even matter hehe..


Thanks. That helped a lot, so not gonna worry about bases then. Do want to buy a house in the near future tho. :) So sounds very hard to get your choice, oh well. Will be better then where I am at now. (ellsworth afb)

[Hendo]

I went status 5 and status 6 on the same day, may 8th. Went status 5 in the morning, and status 6 later that day.

Because they were so close together, I'm not sure of the order things happened in, but I was already contacted by the CEA guy, accepted my retraining, turned in my extension form / training rips and am waiting to go to Aircrew fundies. I leave next month, I won't post the class date for obvious reasons. If your date is in June we're probably going to be in class together.

Coming from barksdale, so its only a 6 hour drive, definitely bringing my car and going to try and stay at Kelly. I've got some credit cards that want that sweet sweet per diem money. If anyone is in the process of putting together a package and needs help let me know, I definitely went through an ordeal getting everything squared away.

Guess I'll see ya soon.

[Kegler]

Kinda, Both the AMS system and the CFETP list bases that FE's straight out of tech school can't go to. It does have the listing of places you can go though just a lot of them you have to have prior experience.

But if you apply a little common sense and look at those with A1C and SrA slots....then you have your 98% solution.

[bcoco14]

But if you apply a little common sense and look at those with A1C and SrA slots....then you have your 98% solution.

Yes common sense goes a long way but the CFETP and AMS can be misleading. For example Andrews and MacDill both show open for SrA but you can't go to either one of those straight out of school. Also, there are a lot more options than just the ones that list A1C's as well.

[40-water]

Kinda, Both the AMS system and the CFETP list bases that FE's straight out of tech school can't go to. It does have the listing of places you can go though just a lot of them you have to have prior experience.



The process has changed slightly since I went through, but one of the things that hasn't is who get first crack at assignments. After you fill out your dream sheet you are stacked according to rank. Highest ranking in that class gets first crack at assignments and so on down the line. That would explain why someone in your class had an airframe ranked higher on there dream sheet and somebody who had it ranked lower ended up being the one that got the slot.

Also, timing, timing, timing. It all depends on when you get your class dates as to what kind of selection pool you will end up with. This time of year they are filling the "left overs" of what hasn't been filled for the FY. In the next few classes people will start being put into the FY13 classes and the options that are available are going to go way up.



Sometimes they will work with you as far as changing class dates. Usually this is because of deployments ect. A child's birth they would probably work with, a wedding it's going to me hit or miss. The CFM is going to be the one that has the say in moving class dates more than AFPC will.

TOLD is as you stated, except it has nothing to do with cruise, holding ect. It's just takeoff and landing, hence Take off and landing data. Also I wouldn't call it the "bread and butter" of what we do. Your "bread and butter" is going to be systems knowledge. Knowing how your systems work and how they work together is going to be a key to success. Don't get me wrong TOLD is very important but many airframes have computer programs that will run it for you. You'll still have to hand crank it from time to time for various reasons so you'll need to stay up on it. If your airframe has a e-told program I wouldn't count on being able to even use it for another year or longer.

Thanks for the non-rookie response. I kinda blended all those other charts under that acronym my fault and I stand corrected. Im still trying to relax my brain and still keep fresh in those books until my FTU. I Appreciate it and im sure the others do too!

[Steveo16220]

Thanks for the non-rookie response. I kinda blended all those other charts under that acronym my fault and I stand corrected. Im still trying to relax my brain and still keep fresh in those books until my FTU. I Appreciate it and im sure the others do too!

Power available....power required.

[nipstatus]

Got date changed to be home for my sons birth. Thanks for the help. Will be at school end of July. Anyone in that class, hit me up.

[Hendo]

Can someone post the list of airframes that you put on your dreamsheet? All of them. Thanks.

[prelude657]

The Medical nightmare portion is over. Flight physical came back approved!! I have already submitted my paper work to AFPC. hopefully I can squeeze into this board. Once approved, what has been the usual wait for school. I have seen a few people with 2 or 3 months.

[Hendo]

The Medical nightmare portion is over. Flight physical came back approved!! I have already submitted my paper work to AFPC. hopefully I can squeeze into this board. Once approved, what has been the usual wait for school. I have seen a few people with 2 or 3 months.

Well if your package hasnt said it's at AFPC HQ, then you probably missed the window for this month. So you might go status 3 this next month, but you wont go status 5-6 until July. So you'll know your class dates between July 2nd-July10th. Thats the window you should find out. If you don't find out around then, expect your package to go to the next months board and repeat.

[prelude657]

Well if your package hasnt said it's at AFPC HQ, then you probably missed the window for this month. So you might go status 3 this next month, but you wont go status 5-6 until July. So you'll know your class dates between July 2nd-July10th. Thats the window you should find out. If you don't find out around then, expect your package to go to the next months board and repeat.
I just got back from my Cheifs office. My commander got the package and he is recommending that she signs it today. im assuming that it goes to AFPC after that or to the functional. July is fine that means I would start tech school later on in the year. Im hoping to get to tech school after the fiscal year which is in September. That way I get a better chance at getting the plane I want. Is it the 3rd or 4th week of the month that the board convenes?

[prelude657]

Well if your package hasnt said it's at AFPC HQ, then you probably missed the window for this month. So you might go status 3 this next month, but you wont go status 5-6 until July. So you'll know your class dates between July 2nd-July10th. Thats the window you should find out. If you don't find out around then, expect your package to go to the next months board and repeat.
I just got back from my Cheifs office. My commander got the package and he is recommending that she signs it today. im assuming that it goes to AFPC after that or to the functional. July is fine that means I would start tech school later on in the year. Im hoping to get to tech school after the fiscal year which is in September. That way I get a better chance at getting the plane I want. Is it the 3rd or 4th week of the month that the board convenes?

[Hendo]

I just got back from my Cheifs office. My commander got the package and he is recommending that she signs it today. im assuming that it goes to AFPC after that or to the functional. July is fine that means I would start tech school later on in the year. Im hoping to get to tech school after the fiscal year which is in September. That way I get a better chance at getting the plane I want. Is it the 3rd or 4th week of the month that the board convenes?

Board will review around the 20th to the end of the month. Then you find out if your accepted between the following month around the 2nd-10th. It varies a lot. Might even take up till the 20th. When you submit to the commander then it goes up to AFPC, this is not to go to board. This is someone to review to make sure all your documents are listed in the package. Then they will send it up, when your status goes to 3. Thats when the clock starts ticking. So if you go status 3 by the 19th of that month, you should be good.

[ashtnn]

Well if your package hasnt said it's at AFPC HQ, then you probably missed the window for this month. So you might go status 3 this next month, but you wont go status 5-6 until July. So you'll know your class dates between July 2nd-July10th. Thats the window you should find out. If you don't find out around then, expect your package to go to the next months board and repeat.

Per AFPC around the time I was picked up in April, the retraining office needs atleast 5 days before the end of the month to do your records review. If you have your package in mid month, they will (or should) have time to do the records review and put you into status 3. Then he'll meet the board at the end of the month. That said, my package was submitted 29 Feburary and just barely missed that cut off, sat through march, and went status 5 on 5 April. As long as he's status 3 by the end of the month, and he gets picked up on the first board, he'll find out the first week of june. That is provided he gets everything in to AFPC this month. I had a few hang ups, they wanted my actual 2808 and not just my 1042. Best of luck! Anyone fundies bound in September? I start BFE 4 October.

[prelude657]

Per AFPC around the time I was picked up in April, the retraining office needs atleast 5 days before the end of the month to do your records review. If you have your package in mid month, they will (or should) have time to do the records review and put you into status 3. Then he'll meet the board at the end of the month. That said, my package was submitted 29 Feburary and just barely missed that cut off, sat through march, and went status 5 on 5 April. As long as he's status 3 by the end of the month, and he gets picked up on the first board, he'll find out the first week of june. That is provided he gets everything in to AFPC this month. I had a few hang ups, they wanted my actual 2808 and not just my 1042. Best of luck! Anyone fundies bound in September? I start BFE 4 October.
Hell Yeah!! Hopefully I will be on this board. I still dont want to leave until after the fiscal year so I have a better chance at getting C-5's @ travis. I sent them my 1042, 422 and any other medical form they gave me. The sooner I get selected the sooner I can get my mind on leaving maintenance at McConnell. I have been telling my tdy monitor to send me tdy as much as possible to keep me away from this place. Its going to be weird having a job where you are actual air crew or working indoors in the winter.lol

[bcoco14]

I still dont want to leave until after the fiscal year so I have a better chance at getting C-5's @ travis.

Keep thinking like that and you might just end up very disapointed.

[ashtnn]

Keep thinking like that and you might just end up very disapointed.

In theory he'll get an FY13 IQT slot as he'd be getting an FY13 BFE class seat with them now pulling the FY13 slots.

[bcoco14]

In theory he'll get an FY13 IQT slot as he'd be getting an FY13 BFE class seat with them now pulling the FY13 slots.

They will start filling FY13 IQT slots long before they ever get to FY13.

[ashtnn]

They will start filling FY13 IQT slots long before they ever get to FY13.

Well aware of that. The way I read your post made it seem like you meant he might still pull an end of the year FY12 IQT slot.

[bcoco14]

Well aware of that. The way I read your post made it seem like you meant he might still pull an end of the year FY12 IQT slot.

No I wasn't talking about a FY12 slot. More like the selection pool will be smaller at the beginning of the new FY, so if C-5s are a popular choice between now and then it might end up that at the time he goes there wont be any available. Like anything else though it's a craps shoot.

[prelude657]

They will start filling FY13 IQT slots long before they ever get to FY13. well Im a 2nd term airmen and the fy 13 slots come out in july according to afpc

[bcoco14]

well Im a 2nd term airmen and the fy 13 slots come out in july according to afpc

Well if you are a 2nd term airmen you won't be meeting a board then and you are applying for a FY12 slot. Anyways, that's not how the A/C are assigned though so you will most likely get a FY13 ITQ slot depending on when your class dates are.

[prelude657]

Well if you are a 2nd term airmen you won't be meeting a board then and you are applying for a FY12 slot. Anyways, that's not how the A/C are assigned though so you will most likely get a FY13 ITQ slot depending on when your class dates are.
ok cool!!!!the last I checked there were 7 2nd terms left. I hope I get one of them.

[Hendo]

Well, I got a FY12 slot. I HATE DTS!!!!! such a pain!!!!!! but finally all good, now to go on leave n meet whoever in class june. Retraining process is stressful....