In regards to Devil Dog

[notamotogrunt]

yea I was hit on this deployment. I should be cleared to return to duty here shortly then I will be transfering to the next deploying unit when that happens. When the cut score is above 1700 its pretty hard to pick up you ignorant fool. We arent all blessed with being 0POG who (for the MOST part) have cut scores below 1500. If I told you where and when that would make it pretty easy for you to figure out my unit so no I aint gonna tell you. Man your dumb if you think Id fall for that.

[d3v1ld0g]

Actually since im on Lejune as well, I have a pretty good guess that your in 2/6 with most of the info ive picked out, but like I said i dont really care. Your not worth the fight I would have to give just to figure out who you are. Also the last cutting score for my MOS was like a 1600 and some change. Also the scores are frozen at the moment becasue we have too many corporals I guess. So dont think just because we are "POG's" its any easier to get promoted. I still have to maintain a PFT score and rifle range score just like you do.

[notamotogrunt]

Honestly no i am not with 2/6. I will agree that 1600 is a tough score to achieve and good on you for doing so, but trust me I know all about mos being closed out as mine has been for quite sometime. It doesnt really bother me other than the money part cause honestly the diff between lcpls and cpls in the grunts is pretty much nothing other than the ability to write paper work which I dont plan on doing anyways but good luck with pickin up boss hope it works out for you cause it sounds like you are pretty motovated.

[Sgt D]

yea I was hit on this deployment. I should be cleared to return to duty here shortly then I will be transfering to the next deploying unit when that happens. When the cut score is above 1700 its pretty hard to pick up you ignorant fool. We arent all blessed with being 0POG who (for the MOST part) have cut scores below 1500. If I told you where and when that would make it pretty easy for you to figure out my unit so no I aint gonna tell you. Man your dumb if you think Id fall for that.

OK bud, Iv'e been following this tirade of yours for a bit and I think I should comment. I'm glad that you feel big and bad and think that your'e better than every POG in the Marine Corps. I'm sure your'e read the posts from my fellow POGs saying that you should appreciate us because we get you fed, paid, clothed, etc. Well, I don't need your respect, admiration or appreciation. I really don't. This chest thumping of yours all started with you saying that if I or anyone corrected you out in town that you would tell us to go jerk off, even referencing your history of doing so. I have to say, you sound like most lower ranking Grunts that Iv'e talked to in the last 7 years... I'll tell you what though, you'll grow out of it. Since I became an NCO, every Sgt (and even most Cpl) Grunt that Iv'e talked to only spews your type of trash talk as a joke.

If you start thinking about staying in, you should probably take a good hard look at your views of the Marine Corps and its policies. I'm here to tell you, every one of the regulations that you want to rebel against now is something that your'e going to find yourself being looked at for.(the Marine Corps truly is a suprisingly small place, people will start to know you) Your'e eventually going to have to interact with the LTs and Captains and even your fellow NCOs and SNCOs. They aren't going to take it lightly if they hear stories of you being 'nasty', because that reflects badly on them. They want to get promoted like the next guy and having 'nasties' around isn't something you want relfected on a Fit Rep.

So, I guess what I'm getting at is this: If you've decided that the Corps isn't for you, then go ahead and finish your ride on the bus then get off at the first stop, cause it's only going to get worse if you stay on. While your'e on the bus though, go ahead and keep your head and arms inside the windows and everything else that your'e supposed to do, else you'll keep getting yanked up by us POGs and even your fellow Grunts. I promise, you'll start getting tired of hearing from us over and over and start to really hate life until you learn to conform or just adjust yourself a bit.

[notamotogrunt]

i appriciate your point of view and how you are able to present it without getting but hurt but you seemed to think that I get messed with by the pogs and it doesnt happen. Yall dont bother me cause I dont allow my self to get yoked up by yall. However you did make an interesting point about dealing with the higher ups and i will take it into consideration.

[d3v1ld0g]

Honestly man, I wanna say thanks for doing your job over there, Im sure it takes a tough person to do what you do as an assaultman. (by the way the topic of this forum has pushed way off course...just wanted to add that.) Anyways, I just want you to see that what us POG's do really is challenging and "hardcore" if you might say. Let me put it this way, your unit goes out to a pre-deployment field op. While your their your unit breaks 20 night vision goggles, 5 HMMWV's break down, and for some odd reason all your rifles break. Your unit is deploying in 4 days from now and you got all this gear broken. Now theres not enough for every marine to do his job. What are you gonna do? Call the POGS!! <insert laugh here> OK now, you bring us all this stuff that is now 02 priority im sure. This means that all of us have to stay until all the gear is done. Nobody goes home when theres an 02 in the shop. You see if it were not for us, what would you do? ride bikes and throw stones at the insurgents, and use a flashlight at night so the enemy can see you? We may not be the ones who actually stares the enemy in the eyes on a daily basis, but we sure as hell put in the effort as if it were us in your position. As far as the not respecting us thing goes, I don't expect you to respect me personally nor would anyone else I don't think. Just respect the MC and its traditions, customs and courtesy, and what its done for you. Thats all I got to say devil..


S/F
LCPL Devildog

[SGT6124]

Honestly man, I wanna say thanks for doing your job over there, Im sure it takes a tough person to do what you do as an assaultman. (by the way the topic of this forum has pushed way off course...just wanted to add that.) Anyways, I just want you to see that what us POG's do really is challenging and "hardcore" if you might say. Let me put it this way, your unit goes out to a pre-deployment field op. While your their your unit breaks 20 night vision goggles, 5 HMMWV's break down, and for some odd reason all your rifles break. Your unit is deploying in 4 days from now and you got all this gear broken. Now theres not enough for every marine to do his job. What are you gonna do? Call the POGS!! <insert laugh here> OK now, you bring us all this stuff that is now 02 priority im sure. This means that all of us have to stay until all the gear is done. Nobody goes home when theres an 02 in the shop. You see if it were not for us, what would you do? ride bikes and throw stones at the insurgents, and use a flashlight at night so the enemy can see you? We may not be the ones who actually stares the enemy in the eyes on a daily basis, but we sure as hell put in the effort as if it were us in your position. As far as the not respecting us thing goes, I don't expect you to respect me personally nor would anyone else I don't think. Just respect the MC and its traditions, customs and courtesy, and what its done for you. Thats all I got to say devil..


S/F
LCPL Devildog
Good post Marine. However, those who are not POGS will never understand, respect, or thank those who do these jobs that they think just magically appear.

[USSConstellation]

yea I was hit on this deployment. I should be cleared to return to duty here shortly then I will be transfering to the next deploying unit when that happens. When the cut score is above 1700 its pretty hard to pick up you ignorant fool. We arent all blessed with being 0POG who (for the MOST part) have cut scores below 1500. If I told you where and when that would make it pretty easy for you to figure out my unit so no I aint gonna tell you. Man your dumb if you think Id fall for that.

Since when can a LCpl just transfer to a deploying unit when he feels like it? Hey dumb shit, my cutting score is Higher than yours

[Former_Marine_23]

Since when can a LCpl just transfer to a deploying unit when he feels like it? Hey dumb shit, my cutting score is Higher than yours

I hate to agree with the kid but it's pretty common in the grunts. Especially in the same regiment. Grunts will, especially ones that might have missed a pump with their unit (i.e. injured, RBE) get put with another unit that's deploying to fill that void. Many of the units take heavy casualties and they need Marines with experience to fill those gaps. You can't just stick them with a bunch of kids straight out of MCT/SOI.

That's not common knowledge for a lot of people though so no big deal.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Good post Marine. However, those who are not POGS will never understand, respect, or thank those who do these jobs that they think just magically appear.The good ones do.

[SGT6124]

The good ones do.
Fair enough!

[notamotogrunt]

Devil hate to say it but you make a good point.
Constellation do some research befor opening your higher up pleasure device, and I highly doubt your cut score for cpl was above 1720s. It is very common in the grunts. Esspecially when you have a dployment or 2 under your belt and you are wounded and miss part of a deployment. If you show a willingness to get back in the fightr they will usually make it happen for you.

[SGT6124]

Devil hate to say it but you make a good point.
Constellation do some research befor opening your higher up pleasure device, and I highly doubt your cut score for cpl was above 1720s. It is very common in the grunts. Esspecially when you have a dployment or 2 under your belt and you are wounded and miss part of a deployment. If you show a willingness to get back in the fightr they will usually make it happen for you.
MOS 0311
ACTIVE CORPORAL
Date Score
JUN-2008 1649
MAY-2008 1668
APR-2008 1693
MAR-2008 1624
FEB-2008 1632
JAN-2008 1649
DEC-2007 1604
NOV-2007 1632
OCT-2007 1655
SEP-2007 1603
AUG-2007 1611
JUL-2007 1624
JUN-2007 1610
MAY-2007 1635
APR-2007 1658
MAR-2007 1617
FEB-2007 1627
JAN-2007 1642
DEC-2006 1616
NOV-2006 1625
OCT-2006 1643
SEP-2006 1616
AUG-2006 1628
JUL-2006 1646
JUN-2006 1628
MAY-2006 1643
APR-2006 1656
MAR-2006 1623
FEB-2006 1634
JAN-2006 1636
DEC-2005 1606
NOV-2005 1619
OCT-2005 1641
SEP-2005 1601
AUG-2005 1613
JUL-2005 1628
JUN-2005 1613
MAY-2005 1635
APR-2005 1658
MAR-2005 1603
FEB-2005 1611
JAN-2005 1628
DEC-2004 1598
NOV-2004 1610
OCT-2004 1616
SEP-2004 1596
AUG-2004 1603
JUL-2004 1624
JUN-2004 1604
MAY-2004 1613
MAR-2004 1575
FEB-2004 1586
JAN-2004 1610
DEC-2003 1574
NOV-2003 1581
OCT-2003 1587
SEP-2003 1572
AUG-2003 1709
JUL-2003 Closed
JUN-2003 1554
MAY-2003 1573
APR-2003 1587
MAR-2003 1534
FEB-2003 1544
JAN-2003 1591
DEC-2002 1530
NOV-2002 1551
OCT-2002 1596
SEP-2002 1566
AUG-2002 1584
JUN-2002 1584
MAY-2002 1595
APR-2002 1600
MAR-2002 1573
FEB-2002 1582
JAN-2002 1598
DEC-2001 1563
NOV-2001 1575
OCT-2001 1587
SEP-2001 1562
AUG-2001 1580
JUL-2001 1577
MAY-2001 1655
APR-2001 1675
MAR-2001 1562
FEB-2001 1578
JAN-2001 1590
Man that sucks....where are the common 1720's your talking about. One time in August 2003 your score went over a 1700 for your MOS. Im sure you weren't in during that time. Stop trying to make yourself sound like a bad ass.

[Former_Marine_23]

Actually, he said he was a 0351...here are his scores! I see one month in the last 6 years over 1700...and there was more that were under 1500...you've got to be kidding me you boot ass motherF8*ker. My score is so high, I see 1720's all the time. Give me a break! All you have to do is have a pulse and not have killed anyone and you could pick up with some of those scores!

ACTIVE CORPORAL
Date Score
JUN-2008 1693
MAY-2008 1717
APR-2008 Closed
MAR-2008 1650
FEB-2008 Closed
JAN-2008 Closed
DEC-2007 1619
NOV-2007 1638
OCT-2007 1665
SEP-2007 1618
AUG-2007 1623
JUL-2007 1636
JUN-2007 1622
MAY-2007 1664
APR-2007 Closed
MAR-2007 Closed
FEB-2007 Closed
JAN-2007 1634
DEC-2006 1608
NOV-2006 1619
OCT-2006 1644
SEP-2006 1616
AUG-2006 1633
JUL-2006 1636
JUN-2006 1616
MAY-2006 1641
APR-2006 1655
MAR-2006 1613
FEB-2006 Closed
JAN-2006 1618
DEC-2005 1590
NOV-2005 1608
OCT-2005 1624
SEP-2005 1598
AUG-2005 1609
JUL-2005 1625
JUN-2005 1613
MAY-2005 1623
APR-2005 1676
MAR-2005 1590
FEB-2005 1600
JAN-2005 1628
DEC-2004 1582
NOV-2004 1592
OCT-2004 1595
SEP-2004 1587
AUG-2004 1620
JUL-2004 1639
JUN-2004 1627
MAY-2004 1644
MAR-2004 1628
FEB-2004 1673
JAN-2004 1693
DEC-2003 Closed
NOV-2003 Closed
OCT-2003 Closed
SEP-2003 1624
AUG-2003 1626
JUL-2003 Closed
JUN-2003 1526
MAY-2003 1575
APR-2003 1551
MAR-2003 1490
FEB-2003 1497
JAN-2003 1552
DEC-2002 1492
NOV-2002 1516
OCT-2002 1545
SEP-2002 1525
AUG-2002 1542
JUN-2002 1526
MAY-2002 1545
APR-2002 1562
MAR-2002 1497
FEB-2002 1529
JAN-2002 1542
DEC-2001 1521
NOV-2001 1541
OCT-2001 1561
SEP-2001 1536
AUG-2001 Closed
JUL-2001 1543
MAY-2001 1642
APR-2001 1664
MAR-2001 1520
FEB-2001 1548
JAN-2001 1560

[notamotogrunt]

OK smartt guy all those tgimes when it is closed out, no one picked up ande thtere were so few slots available when it was open that no one under 1720 got selected you POG a## boot. ans since this time last year show me ONE score that would honestly be easy to achieve, for other people not you chesty.

[Former_Marine_23]

OK smartt guy all those tgimes when it is closed out, no one picked up ande thtere were so few slots available when it was open that no one under 1720 got selected you POG a## boot. ans since this time last year show me ONE score that would honestly be easy to achieve, for other people not you chesty.

Is that how it works? Gosh, I never would have known that nobody picks up when it says closed? I guess that's what it meant when my MOS was closed repeatedly for months on end. Thanks for helping me out with that smart guy.

Actually, 1618, 1619, 1622...those 3 are not hard to get at all. Run a decent PFT, shoot moderatly well, do your MCI's, and don't punch NCO's and you should be able to get that score in about a year, maybe a year and a half tops. You should try doing that stuff next time! And by the way, I looked at the scores for Sgt in your MOS and I'll give it to you, they are some of the highest I've ever seen. But that makes me wonder how you think you're going to pick up Sgt in a year and some change which you said in another post? You seem to be having trouble even pinning on Cpl so I think you're sadly mistaken in your assumption that you're going to make it to Sgt anytime this decade. But good luck, you deserve it champ!

It's amazing you refer to everyone that's not infantry as a POG ass boot like myself when I am almost certain I've seen more combat than you, definitely had more time deployed and I didn't go around thinking I was better than everyone else because I understood how the Marine Corps works and that the grunts aren't the end all, be all. So keep telling yourself that you're hot shit because everyone on here sees right through you and your facade. You'd think that if nobody agreed with you (which seems to be the case) then maybe it would dawn on you that you're doing something wrong and should probably correct your deficiencies but you are to wrapped up in yourself and your ego to see that. I am almost positive that you are all talk on here and that you don't have half the nerve you claim to have to just blow off those that rate to tell you you're wrong. You're lucky it's not like the old days when you could just get dragged out behind the tree line and taught a lesson. I'd definitely show you how to correct yourself if given the opportunity tough guy.

[Sgt D]

i appriciate your point of view and how you are able to present it without getting but hurt but you seemed to think that I get messed with by the pogs and it doesnt happen. Yall dont bother me cause I dont allow my self to get yoked up by yall. However you did make an interesting point about dealing with the higher ups and i will take it into consideration.

It's good that your'e taking my words into consideration, but you really should do a little more. Look, I'm not going to try and 'get butt hurt' as you put it, Iv'e found that the best way to deal with 99% of my junior Marines is to do so with calm. Iv'e only had to raise my voice at a junior Marine 2 times that I remember, that's because I deal with them as if they had brains. Let me do the same with you:

As I said before, if you plan on staying in, you really should begin to get accustomed to the Marine Corps way of life. The Corps doesn't change easily or quickly and our present Commandant has shown that he plans on getting us a close to 'the Old Corps' as he can. There have been a lot of changes and they are going to just keep on coming.

If you plan on getting out, that is entirely your decision and no one will think less of you for it (regardless of some blustering that you may hear to the contrary). But, you should also consider your actions while you are still a part of the Corps. Remember that I said that you will be surprised how small the USMC is, well consider that you may not only run into your senior Marines out in town, you will also probably run into your juniors. They are going to notice that you are unshaven, wearing tattered clothing, and whatever else. These junior Marines will begin to emulate your actions and wonder why they are getting yelled at when they get caught. We've all heard the excuse "but I saw Cpl so-and-so doing it".

One last point for you, your career is riding on your actions. If you get known as the guy that no one can ever find when the un-fun stuff comes around, you will never be looked at very hard when the Leadership positions come available. Let's face it, having a Leadership position is what it's all about. Being able to mentor your juniors and see them grow is just about the most rewarding experience that you will have during your time in, be it 4 or 40 years. If you want to be a Cpl, not just an E-4, you are going to have to start acting like one.

I hope you can take some of what I'm saying with you and understand that I'm not just trying to demean you or insult or or however else you may look at it. I'm speaking from personal experience.

Finally, and probably most controvercially, I'd like to say to basically everyone else that has been making posts directed at notamotogrunt lately. Read everything that the man is writing. When someone makes a good point, he listens and acknowledges (spelling??) those points. For the most part, I see that the guy understands that some things he is saying are not entirely correct and is man enough to admit it. Not everyone looks back 7 years to research their cutting score. Even if they did, most would realize how much the promotion environment has changed since the beginning of the Decade.

[notamotogrunt]

Son Im not gonna get in a trash talking contest here about who can whip whos ass that is just childish. I will pick up sgt cause my plt sgt will keep putting me on boards. As far as going behind the tree line and the "old corps" yea they had time to mess with that stuff and be harder on each other cause it wasnt during a time of war and they had nothing better to do than fight each other and haze boots. You werent even in durning that time if you came in 01 or later you are part of the "new corps" not the old hard core corps hate to break it to you.
Sgt D. all around I have to say you make some good points and they have not fallen on deaf ears.

[Sgt D]

Son Im not gonna get in a trash talking contest here about who can whip whos ass that is just childish. I will pick up sgt cause my plt sgt will keep putting me on boards. As far as going behind the tree line and the "old corps" yea they had time to mess with that stuff and be harder on each other cause it wasnt during a time of war and they had nothing better to do than fight each other and haze boots. You werent even in durning that time if you came in 01 or later you are part of the "new corps" not the old hard core corps hate to break it to you.
Sgt D. all around I have to say you make some good points and they have not fallen on deaf ears.

Clarify for me: Were you calling me "Son"?

Clarify for you: I never said I was part of the 'Old Corps', I came in March 01. I know that I am part of the "new" Corps and like a few of the things that are different about it.

[notamotogrunt]

No I was responding to a post by that BA civilian. The only response to you was the part that was after your name.

[Sgt D]

Ah, good to go. I kind of thought so after I read it again, thank you for the clarification.

[SGT6124]

Not everyone looks back 7 years to research their cutting score. Even if they did, most would realize how much the promotion environment has changed since the beginning of the Decade.

We are also not the one's claiming to see 1720's on a regular basis and proclaiming that we will be a Sergeant in less than a year when we are a LCpl now. You also need to look at the disrespect that he is showing everyone in these forums and how much this Marine is running this institution in the ground because he is lazy and wants things taylored to his way of life.

As far as going behind the tree line and the "old corps" yea they had time to mess with that stuff and be harder on each other cause it wasnt during a time of war and they had nothing better to do than fight each other and haze boots.
The old corps was never in a war time? Vietnam, Desert storm, Desert shield to name a few. Not ringing any bells? Apparently you have never been hazed or "taken to the tree line". Just because we all weren't in back in 91 doesn't mean some of the old corps wasn't still around until a few years ago. I

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Son Im not gonna get in a trash talking contest here about who can whip whos ass that is just childish. I will pick up sgt cause my plt sgt will keep putting me on boards.You know, you might be right.

Of course, once you "pick up" Sergeant, then you will have to move to some other Platoon, won't you?

And that would mean that your Platoon Sergeant won't have to deal with you any more, won't it?

And that would also mean that some other Platoon Sergeant - who didn't have any professional reputation at stake because they recommended you for promotion to Sergeant - will be the one who decides if you get to be a lippy little shit-disturber who screws up his Platoon or not, won't it?

"Dat ain' no Brier Patch, Brer Rabbit - dat's a patch ub clover."

[Former_Marine_23]

I will pick up sgt cause my plt sgt will keep putting me on boards.

Yeah, because it's obviously worked so well with helping you to pick up Corporal.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

Yeah, because it's obviously worked so well with helping you to pick up Corporal.Considering that there are absolutely no formal (military) educational (or training) requirements for promotion to either Lance Corporal or Corporal - although I do understand that there is some consensus the in order to become a Lance Corporal one has to meet the basis requirement of "Does not come on CO's Parade with their dick hanging out." and that Corporals have the additional mandatory requirement of "Because they understand the theory and operation of the 'Zipper, Pants, Fly, Mk.3", the inability to progress past the level of Lance Corporal, doesn't speak overly highly of the lad - does it?

As I understand the actual requirements, they are

1. Private First Class. Privates will be promoted to PFC 6 months after the 1st day of the month of entry on initial active duty for training, if performance is deemed satisfactory by the commander. [read as "The Private is still breathing and hasn't actively embarrassed anyone yet."]

2. Lance Corporal. A PFC who has 8 months TIG and 9 months TIS and who is qualified for promotion, as determined by the commanding officer, may be promoted to the grade of LCpl. [read as "Is still breathing and has actually done their job reasonably well (or, at least, hasn't been caught in any major screw-ups) or has sucked up sufficiently."]

3. However, once you start looking at promotion to Corporal, you are required to actually assess the member's performance against definable standards and then they are slated for promotion on the basis of their relative worth/value as against all candidates.

I suspect that the complexities of those standards is rather beyond the comprehension of young "isamamotomouth".

[Cpl.Morin/5831MCASMiramar]

NOTAMOTOGRUNT...your right, I haven't been deployed yet. I have thad to stay back and take care of all the shitbags like you who wind up in the brig. I make sure that the bottom 10 percent of the Marine Corps are baby sat, and aren't out there messing up the real mission. As far as none of us brig guards being deployed, my husband is a SSgt in the same MOS as I am and he was deployed in 2004 to ramadi. He went through the same damn crap that you did, if not worse. I have friends in my MOS who are over there right now. Brother you are not the only one who deals with stuff like that. And my cutting score has been closed out 8 times since I rated to pick up Sgt, and the rest of the time it's been almost an 1800. So please spare me the crying act that you can't get yourself promoted. Just look at your self proclaimed name, and that there is probably the reason.

[VC_0313]

In regards to every message posted, there was alot of key points made. The fact of the matter is that we all signed a contract to earn the title "Devil Dog". So wether the term is used losely or in a "derogatory" manner, its not that hard to suck it up. We all face far worse confrontations in our carrer in the Corps. What it all boils down to is a lack of maturity not by Nco's or SNco's but by junior Marines. The term is used in a variety of ways so don't take a serious offense to it, trust me there will be a worse scenario then an argument of the term Devil Dog in your time, so before it trashes our heritage and tradition take a look around because SNco's and Officers get called Devil Dog too. You will carry that until you become an Nco, its apart of initiation into the brotherhood.

[CplH5811]

In regards to every message posted, there was alot of key points made. The fact of the matter is that we all signed a contract to earn the title "Devil Dog". So wether the term is used losely or in a "derogatory" manner, its not that hard to suck it up. We all face far worse confrontations in our carrer in the Corps. What it all boils down to is a lack of maturity not by Nco's or SNco's but by junior Marines. The term is used in a variety of ways so don't take a serious offense to it, trust me there will be a worse scenario then an argument of the term Devil Dog in your time, so before it trashes our heritage and tradition take a look around because SNco's and Officers get called Devil Dog too. You will carry that until you become an Nco, its apart of initiation into the brotherhood.

I couldn't agree more. It all boils down to sucking it up and accepting that there is always gonna be some things that you just can't change. And, for what it's worth, I wouldn't want to change a thing about being called a Devil Dog. I may not like the context in which it is used at times, but there have been times when it was used in a positive manner. It is a term of endearment from one Marine to another. It should be worn like a badge of honor. Just the fact that you have what it takes to earn that title. By someone using the term Devil Dog when they are correcting you, it means that they are concerned with the way you are acting and making yourself look. It doesn't mean that they are just out to "moto snipe" every single person that is just a little bit messed up. Take the five seconds it takes to looks at the situation and realize that you were jacked up and someone corrected you about it. Take that experience and learn from it. And if you don't like someone correcting you, don't be an idiot and go out looking like a bag o' ass. It's that simple. And for you grunts, or anyone else out there that hates my MOS, if you are constantly policing yourselves and those around you, there would be no need for us. Just think about it. Myself and Cpl Morin are here to pick up the slack for those in the ranks that think they're above the standards and can do what they want. I apologize if this all sounds pretentious but, that's how it is.

[Cpl.Morin/5831MCASMiramar]

Cutting Scores By MOS/OCC Field (5831)
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ACTIVE SERGEANT
Date Score
JUN-2008 1786
MAY-2008 Closed
APR-2008 1789
MAR-2008 1763
FEB-2008 Closed
JAN-2008 1774
DEC-2007 Closed
NOV-2007 1719
OCT-2007 1750
SEP-2007 Closed
AUG-2007 1713
JUL-2007 1770
JUN-2007 1716
MAY-2007 1729
APR-2007 Closed
MAR-2007 1711
FEB-2007 1719
JAN-2007 1727
DEC-2006 1667
NOV-2006 1672
OCT-2006 1704
SEP-2006 Closed
AUG-2006 Closed
JUL-2006 Closed


Cutting scores for my POG a$$ for the last two years. Again, join the crowd notamotogrunt.

[notamotogrunt]

Youve never been deployed. your still a boot. You arent ready to be a sgt so the score shouldnt bother you DEVIL DOG.

[Cpl.Morin/5831MCASMiramar]

OORAH Devildog! But sorry, just because you haven't gotten the opportunity to deploy doesn't make you a boot. It may in your opinion, which is fine, but again, how many times do I have to say that not deploying was the Marine Corps choice not mine.

[notamotogrunt]

Not being deployed does make you a boot. devil do you even know where the term comes from?

[SGT6124]

Youve never been deployed. your still a boot. You arent ready to be a sgt so the score shouldnt bother you DEVIL DOG.

You are one to tell another Marine they are not ready for another rank...get real. Deployments have nothing to do with it, maybe you are just confused that combat MOS' deploy, and non combat MOS' sometimes don't. Although that would probably make sense, so you didn't think of that.

[notamotogrunt]

what about marine airlines, is that a combat mos?

[SGT6124]

what about marine airlines, is that a combat mos?
Depends..ever heard of combat air crew wings?

[darkhorse0369]

Don't keep track of "good cookie" gimmies anymore.

Most RO's (radio operators) in the infantry "are" 03.

What is a 6124 anyway? - not smashing ya, just don't feel like looking it up. I'm lazy that way.

[SEMPERMAN]

Don't keep track of "good cookie" gimmies anymore.

Most RO's (radio operators) in the infantry "are" 03.

What is a 6124 anyway? - not smashing ya, just don't feel like looking it up. I'm lazy that way.

He's some sort of combat helo mech.

[SSgtAllen3381]

What are you guys trying to prove by arguing on the internet? Did you all forget we are on the same team?

[darkhorse0369]

Yeah, this arguement should be in the argue here thread!

Devil dog is still a symbol of pride and I don't care if you don't like getting "Double D'd".

Go Chargers!!!!!

[Snoop_Frogg]

Well...to me if I've been in longer than you, and experienced more than you...than your a freakin boot. If you've never had your rack flipped, a j.o.b. and wall locker inspection, never buffed a floor...you're really a freakin boot. If you think that your combat experience makes you more of a marine than someone who loves what they do wherever they do it in the marines...I'm sorry...i really didn't give a damn that i didn't deploy until i made the rank i'm at. I'm glad that I got to see my family and friends more than you did with your 2-4 deployments. I don't know why everyone needs to brag about going to iraq or afghan...shit, if i didn't go anywhere i'd be braggin more than anyone else. And i really don't give a damn if a marine hasn't deployed, cause i'd rather be miserable layin on the beach during the weekend with a beer in my hand than to be sittin under some cammie netting at a partol base trying not to move cause it's so freakin hot, looking at an endless beach with a bottle of warm water in my hand cause most all the ice melted on the trip out there. Give me a break man...i would love never to deploy again...looooove it.
oh...i'm not tryin to direct this toward anyone really...you're all a bunch of retards for fighting over all this bs in the other forums. it's like you chase eachother from forum to forum just so you got someone to fight with. i tell you what...as a marine in general it's always fun to slide over to the army forums and diss their airborne units...and their rangers and crap than it is to diss on eachother.

[wpdleo]

WTF!! I can't be Devil Dog anymore.

Semper Devil Dog

[Misguided0331]

in reguards to the term "Devil Dog". i get tired of all the new marines comming into our corps an complaining to their leadership that im hazing them by calling them "Devil Dog"... i love the term "Dvil Dog". i've seen alot of combat on my first enlistment and i feel that i earned it just like the first marines to ever recieve the title "Devil Dog"... and as far as the whole "BOOT" thing... ha... i have seen alot of marines try and skip out on deployments to a combat zone. it makes my sick. out of the hundreds of thousands of marines who have been to combat i think its time someone else take my seat on the plane... step up, dont be a puss and do your job... i've been to every OIF From the invasion of iraq in 2003 to the ops of 2006. i was the only Lcpl in my company with 15 ribbons and a service stripe. i have more combat experience than most of my command... including my NCOs...

now when it comes to marines not being chosen to doploy by the marine corps. thats a bunch of BULL... you can always PCA to a dploying unit and do your part. stop letting the ones like my self keep going over there and making our PTSD worse, DEVIL DOGs

[kenny10]

in reguards to the term "Devil Dog". i get tired of all the new marines comming into our corps an complaining to their leadership that im hazing them by calling them "Devil Dog"... i love the term "Dvil Dog". i've seen alot of combat on my first enlistment and i feel that i earned it just like the first marines to ever recieve the title "Devil Dog"... and as far as the whole "BOOT" thing... ha... i have seen alot of marines try and skip out on deployments to a combat zone. it makes my sick. out of the hundreds of thousands of marines who have been to combat i think its time someone else take my seat on the plane... step up, dont be a puss and do your job... i've been to every OIF From the invasion of iraq in 2003 to the ops of 2006. i was the only Lcpl in my company with 15 ribbons and a service stripe. i have more combat experience than most of my command... including my NCOs...

now when it comes to marines not being chosen to doploy by the marine corps. thats a bunch of BULL... you can always PCA to a dploying unit and do your part. stop letting the ones like my self keep going over there and making our PTSD worse, DEVIL DOGs

16 ribbons huh? and what might those be? Since you have been to every OIF, how many total times have you deployed to Iraq? DON'T GO TO IRAQ IF YOU HAVE PTSD, how stupid is that?

[Lone_NCO]

Most of the Marines nowadays dont realize the tradition and the meaning behind the term, however alot of the discontent is from NCO's and SNCO's using the term only in a negative way. I've been called all kinds of names, Devil Dog, warrior, hard charger, etc. The person saying the term to you in a way you dont like is whats not appreciated, not the term itself. I think I was referred to as a Devil Dog every time I was promoted. If my leaders would've called me a Devil Dog everytime I messed up, maybe I wouldnt view it the same.

gotta go

[Misguided0331]

16 ribbons huh? and what might those be? Since you have been to every OIF, how many total times have you deployed to Iraq? DON'T GO TO IRAQ IF YOU HAVE PTSD, how stupid is that?

i was deployen from Jan 2003 to Mar 2005 and then again Dec 2005 to Feb 2007... if your trying to figure out how that was possiable.

i cross decked to 5 diffrent batalions 3/4, 1/8, 3/5, 3/1, 3rd LAR and RCT-7 JUMP and was attached to 2 diffrent Recon units in 2006 as a Operations Security platoon for fly away missions in the Al Anbar province...

and yes i got a few weeks of R&R durring my tours for cool down time. in which case i did get to go home for a little bit on orders...

ohhh and as far as the comment on PTSD and not going to iraq... its not a matter of me not wanting to go to iraq. it a matter of the marines who havnt gone to step up and go... that and its my job as a combat veteran to make sure my juniors are trained and are brought home in one piece and breathing...

[kenny10]

i was deployen from Jan 2003 to Mar 2005 and then again Dec 2005 to Feb 2007... if your trying to figure out how that was possiable.

i cross decked to 5 diffrent batalions 3/4, 1/8, 3/5, 3/1, 3rd LAR and RCT-7 JUMP and was attached to 2 diffrent Recon units in 2006 as a Operations Security platoon for fly away missions in the Al Anbar province...

and yes i got a few weeks of R&R durring my tours for cool down time. in which case i did get to go home for a little bit on orders...

ohhh and as far as the comment on PTSD and not going to iraq... its not a matter of me not wanting to go to iraq. it a matter of the marines who havnt gone to step up and go... that and its my job as a combat veteran to make sure my juniors are trained and are brought home in one piece and breathing...

So you are trying to tell me that you spent 26 months during your 1st tour in Iraq???? Jan 2003-march 2005 is 26 months? It's not possible

[AMERICANWARFIGHTER]

Wow, we have a very strange Corps. We can take the fight to any enemy anywhere in the world but what brings us to our knees is a bunch of crybabies who are butt hurt becaues they dont like the terms we use. It will be a cold day in hell before this Gunny takes a Marines feelings into account when I'm talking to him. If you want to have group hugs and skip around work singing songs together, get the hell out of my Corps ang join the Air Force! If not, grow some thick skin, suck it up and at least "try" to conduct yourselves as Warriors. If this little rant does not apply to you then continue to march to the sounds of the guns Devil Dogs!

[Deebelle369]

Just chiming in here as a x2 Marine Mom...I am up to my fullness with all the pc crapola! It just burns my cookies when I hear of the watering down of our military! I for one want the biggest, baddest bunch protecting me and they rest of us here at home. I realize we are just talking a name here, but it's just a piece of the bigger picture. :mad:
Devil Dog is a badge on honor denoting the ferocious Marines that kicked German butt! It is too bad that is is being bandied around by Sr Marines to make Jr Marines feel like sludge. Pretty sure they get enough of that as it is. I myself am proud as punch of my two Devil Dogs, my daughter the Devil Doll (gf to a Marine) and am looking forward to a whole slue of Devil Pups!!! :D

[mel44]

16 ribbons huh? and what might those be? Since you have been to every OIF, how many total times have you deployed to Iraq? DON'T GO TO IRAQ IF YOU HAVE PTSD, how stupid is that?

Actually if your diagnosed with PTSD you can't clear and are not supposed to go though there has been a big stink here becuase a certain soldier managed to get his paperwork through without it being caught until he was already there.

Hi Kenny - how are you kiddo? been wondering how you are doing -

[notamotogrunt]

That wont ever happen dude. These guys in charge used to get picked on and now they have some "authority". They will use it to the best of their abilities to make themselves feel badass. Dont you get it. If you see through this shit then why do you like to be called devil dog, why to you stay with it. It is not fucking worth it. The entire marine corps is a house of cards glued together by a bunch of bullshit and lies.
If you want to go see your daughter be born...go be sure you take the whole 29 days though, dont come back in a week like most dumb asses do.
Now all the people of "rank" who post on here are gonna come on and say that they would never pull that shit with their marines but I guarantee that most of um would/have, and they dont even realize how fucked up it is, until they hear it from the other side of things.
Now if you stick in it cause you got a wife and kid, then youre more of a man than 90% of the marines I know cause you have a reason for being here, other that motardation and power hunger.
Good luck with your kid though bro and I hope that gunny experiences a training accident and instead of coming to see him in the hospital I hope his wife is sluming with some jr marine...preferably me.

[Muel1988]

I think both sides have a valid point.

I know from my prespective being double D'd has always meant... lock my body here comes an ass chewing.

But when an older gentlemen comes up to me and says thanks devil dog. I know he isnt meaning go chew sand.

You have to take it in context now and days. If you know you did something wrong... expect that ass to get reemed.

[notamotogrunt]

Im saying, I got a name, use it. If you dont know it, "Hey man/bro/dude/haus/boss" something like that works fine. Alot of people think that it is necessary to yell and get stupid while in the marine corps. Like giving ass chewings is a requirement. You can always spot the idiots that way, because it show that the only type of leadership theyve ever had in their life was in boot camp. Walked off the podium and onto the footprints so now they think the only way to get through to people is scream "Hey DEVIL DOG/MARINE/LEATHERNECK/INSERT OTHER DUMB NAMES HERE". Its just annoying.

[smarg]

Im saying, I got a name, use it. If you dont know it, "Hey man/bro/dude/haus/boss" something like that works fine. Alot of people think that it is necessary to yell and get stupid while in the marine corps. Like giving ass chewings is a requirement. You can always spot the idiots that way, because it show that the only type of leadership theyve ever had in their life was in boot camp. Walked off the podium and onto the footprints so now they think the only way to get through to people is scream "Hey DEVIL DOG/MARINE/LEATHERNECK/INSERT OTHER DUMB NAMES HERE". Its just annoying.

Hey, it's really not that bad in the Corps compared to the Army screamers. Especially in a Joint environment with officers. You see the careerist assholes scream at their joint brothers (and they make sure it's in front of their boss) so they can display their "passion" for their duty. Actually, it's a bunch of careerist horseshyt; they're only trying to get noticed and get that coveted "top block" at any cost. Dregs, really.

[Silver Fox]

I've always used it endearingly but never in direct address. I've always addressed Marines whose name I did not know by "Marine". Now, when escorting a Marine into a restricted area and picking up a phone and someone says "Name and Status" I've said, "Personnel so-and-so, all secure, plus one devil dog." No one's taken offense at the indirect use, or if they have, they've never voiced it. But people get offended by ANYTHING if it's said condescendingly. I've seen army guys get pissed when someone yells 'HEY SOLDIER!', Air Force guys get pissed at 'HEY AIRMAN!' and Navy guys get pissed at 'HEY SAILOR'. I think it's all in the context and the tone.

[janewayneUSMC]

Suck it up! Have you ever heard of the Marine mascot- Chesty or, currently at MCRD San Diego, Cpl Molly? Know your own history and stop crying like you're in the Army! Devil Dogs are a special breed for a reason.http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg21/ilmarinemom1/mollygrad05.jpg

[CYBERFX1024]

WOW!!!!! Calm down there Jane Wayne. That is a little too motivated to be on this post. You must have just got out of school or something to be that motivated.

[notamotogrunt]

He OBVIOUSLY just walked off MCRD SD. He knows cpl Molly (who the fuck is that btw) is there.

[DAKOTANATIVE]

My son is a young Marine, and darn proud to be refered to as "Devil Dog". I have never heard it in a bad way. The Marines is all about history and tradition, and they got that name because of how good they are. I can see where some may take offense at the term though. They are probably the same ones that sat in the briefing about not using drugs, but ignored it.

[kenny10]

My son is a young Marine, and darn proud to be refered to as "Devil Dog". I have never heard it in a bad way. The Marines is all about history and tradition, and they got that name because of how good they are. I can see where some may take offense at the term though. They are probably the same ones that sat in the briefing about not using drugs, but ignored it.

No see this is where you are wrong. I have never used drugs and have had to sit in 50 briefings or so, I don't do drugs period and I've gotten DD'd before and the term was used in a derogatory way. Sometimes my gunnys say "hey devil dog" and thats it, I know the difference between a good DD and a bad DD.
This article is about Marines speaking on the subject about being Devil Dogged,
I'll give you an example
GOOD WAY- Hey Devil dog, how is your day going?
Bad way- Hey there DEVIL DOG, get your ass over here............(commence ass chewing)

Good for you and your little devil pup, but don't speak the things to which you know nothing about

[SSgtAllen3381]

If a Marine is worried about being called a DEVILDOG he or she has bigger concerns.

I don't care if a person DevilDog me in an a@@ chewing or in passing...

IT'S A HARMELSS NAME.

[kenny10]

If a Marine is worried about being called a DEVILDOG he or she has bigger concerns.

I don't care if a person DevilDog me in an a@@ chewing or in passing...

IT'S A HARMELSS NAME.

Well that is your opinion, there are 201,999 more Marines that might share a different one

[OREILLS]

I have been in the Corps for 1 year and I remember feeling proud when during MCT the instructors called us Devil Dog..."Good morning Devil"...or..."Hey Devil, WTF are you doing?" It made be proud and feel more like I belonged.:thumbup:

[SSgtAllen3381]

Well that is your opinion, there are 201,999 more Marines that might share a different one

Then they can come on here and give theirs. Just like I have done. I'm not asking for approval.

[KnoxRJ]

...please, enlighten me.

Only because you asked. You say:
Posted By notamotogrunt Re: New BCP order

"BCP should be handled on a case by case basis. When I graduated boot I was 6'2 220. Out of regs."

and in this thread you say
" Posted By notamotogrunt Re: In regards to Devil Dog

"Whats SAD is the fact that in Boot I was moto and worked at it so as to get myself promoted and make the honor graduate"

So you want us to believe you were 8 pounds over the max allowable and you were an honor man, and we are to also believe that you did not slip through the cracks. In the words of George H.W. Bush "Not going to happen" (Having done 2 tours on the Island)

As far as MY experience: Since this web site does not allow me to send you a personal IM why do you not give me a personal IM link so you and I can compare 03 notes, . We can probably share some great 03 experiences that you may actually find interesting. Everything from Achille Laro to Desert Storm to Somilia, Liberia, Haiti, etc. (All as a grunt) and even some Iraq experiance that may help you appreciate others. (8 deployments and several JFTs bring a lot of fond Marine Corps memories.) Oh, and do not get me started on MRE's. You do not know how lucky you are today with those things. The precursor to today's MRE could have gagged a corpse.

In the mean time, do not forget to ....TAP....RACK.......

[NRTrackChamp2004]

Step back and take a good look at what you do for a living, how poorly you're paid, how shitty the living conditions are, etc etc etc.
For an 03 who is always out in the field, I can see where you're coming from. Even the ones who stay in the baracks can complain. But, being married and living out in town, pay aint too bad, especially if your rent is lower than BAH. Marine Corps pays me $37,XXX a year before taxes. Thats pretty damn good compared to all my other high school buddies and shit. So, not all Marines feel shafted when it comes to pay and or living conditions. Just thought I'd share. ;)

[ChaplainC]

With the exception of the person above ^

I really do not understand why any of you persist in this "conversation."

Is everyone on here trying to show what a tough guy they are? Because you have lost the respect of anyone on here, as well as your own self respect, just by keeping up with this juvenile argument.

It is tedious, and childish, someone needs to give each of you a good spanking and a time out to sit in the corner for a while.

Who knows, maybe everyone just needed to have a nice little hissy fit.

Just walk away people, no need to make any more comments, just get over it.

[sandangel2001]

With the exception of the person above ^
I really do not understand why any of you persist in this "conversation."
Is everyone on here trying to show what a tough guy they are? Because you have lost the respect of anyone on here, as well as your own self respect, just by keeping up with this juvenile argument.
It is tedious, and childish, someone needs to give each of you a good spanking and a time out to sit in the corner for a while.
Who knows, maybe everyone just needed to have a nice little hissy fit.
Just walk away people, no need to make any more comments, just get over it.

Chaplain..I do need to comment. Not liking a name is one thing. It is wrong if the name is used to provoke or demean. However, My comments are to his misogynistic attitude. To imply that a women is ONLY good for oral sex is harassment, hatred towards women may be accepted in some areas; but in the US women have equal rights, and make useful contributions to society daily. We are the life givers, care givers, cheerleaders for people, in addition to CEO, enlisted or officers in the military and the list goes on. Yes men and women have different areas where we excel, but that DOES not allow ANYONE to demean me, or women in general!
Would you tolerate the language the man spoke if he said it to your mother, daughter, sister? Because that is the implication. If someone else would like to step in then so be it. Personally I believe he does not belong in the Service of the US. ( period ) Men who believe a womens place is giving oral...are abusive. This is why some people think that RAPE is no big deal she asked for it. Or it was her place. her JOB. SOUND FAMILIAR? HIS LANGUAGE IS ABUSIVE. AND NOT TO BE TOLERATED!!!:mad:

[THORSHAMMER69]

I know a MGySgt who joined the Marine Corps in 1969 and has been in ever since (some active and some reserve time). This Marine could walk into a room and light the place up. He is one of those guys who makes being a Marine fun. He also is the type who has always led by example.

When a young PFC walks by him and says good morning; he always stops, gets a big smile on his face and says "DEVILDOG!!! tell me how you're doing. How's it going?" He then spends the next 3 minutesshooting the sh*t with the PFC. He actually cares about every Marine he comes into contact with. By the time you are done speaking with him you are ready to reenlist right there on the spot.

It's all a matter of caring about your Marines. Marines should never use devildog to correct other Marines. It's not meant to be a derogatory term so lets not use it as one.

[sandangel2001]

It's all a matter of caring about your Marines. Marines should never use devildog to correct other Marines. It's not meant to be a derogatory term so lets not use it as one.
AWESOME!!!

[KRANKY017]

I can understand any young Marine becoming irritated with excessive nagging, but it is ignorant of them to exclusively associate the phrase "Devil Dog" with negativity. The phrase has a proud history that will never fade for those who truly appreciate our legacy. In my opinion, the blame for how far this whole ridiculous debate has gone is two-fold: On one hand, the youngest generation of fleet Marines don’t seem to appreciate tradition enough to identify what is truly bothering them about the situation and they would rather discard the whole phrase and throw the baby out with the bathwater; on the other hand, I love MarineCorpsTimes, but I do not appreciate how they dignified this ridiculousness by legitimizing it as a debatable topic. It just seemed like shameless sensationalism to sell papers. It was likely an all-time bestselling issue.

[CplVelociraptor]

I can understand any young Marine becoming irritated with excessive nagging, but it is ignorant of them to exclusively associate the phrase "Devil Dog" with negativity. The phrase has a proud history that will never fade for those who truly appreciate our legacy. In my opinion, the blame for how far this whole ridiculous debate has gone is two-fold: On one hand, the youngest generation of fleet Marines don’t seem to appreciate tradition enough to identify what is truly bothering them about the situation and they would rather discard the whole phrase and throw the baby out with the bathwater; on the other hand, I love MarineCorpsTimes, but I do not appreciate how they dignified this ridiculousness by legitimizing it as a debatable topic. It just seemed like shameless sensationalism to sell papers. It was likely an all-time bestselling issue.

I think what matters here is the principle behind the matter. It's perjorative to use Devil Dog in a condescending manner, if you ask me. Devil Dog, Leatherneck, Motivator, should all be colloquialisms for a quality Marine, not a poor one. The funniest thing about this whole situation is how offended a large number of senior enlisted got about it, and yet they are perpetuating the problem by using it as a derogatory term. I was at the gas chamber a year or so ago, and they called out a few volunteers for the anti-chemical powder demonstration. A friend picked on me, and a MGySgt called out from behind, "Yeah, get out there Devil Dog," which was motivating, followed by, "and I'll call you Devil Dog all I want to!" Which reminded me we were still in kindergarten apparently.

Oh well. Can't fix the whole Corps. Humble advice from this corporal: Don't use a traditional name, with the pride of our ancestors firmly emblazoned upon it, to degrade junior Marines. Bad idea.