New BCP order

[jayperx2]

I have a question about the new BCP order MCO 6100.13. I am currently on BCP, I was assigned on july 17 2008, under the old BCP order P6100.12. The new order came into effect on 8 august 2008, and gives Marines 120 days with no punitive action against them to lose the weight. Now i have heard that people on BCP already will stay on it, basically being grandfathered in. Now after going over the order with a fine tooth comb, i have not found anything about being grandfathered in. I cant help but feel like Im being cheated the opportunity to lose the weight myself, where someone who was weighed in less than a month after i was is being afforded 120 days before being assigned to BCP. Am i wrong? Or should Marines like myself be taken off BCP and afforded the 120 days? any help is appreciated.

[SSgtAllen3381]

I'll be the first to tell you without the derogatory responses you are going to get. You already had the opportunity to lose the weight yourself. YES, I've been over weight and having surgery wasn't an excuse; I was told and this is in the order.

I haven't read the new order fully, so I can't help you on that matter. I would go to S3 the first chance you get and ask them.

Good luck, I know how it is to be put in the spotlight, no matter what you have done or will do, you always get looked down on as a BCP Marine.

Regardless, just keep pressing and lose that weight, I know how hard it is...trust me, it doesn't get any easier as you get older either. So, if you are losing the weight, keep it off the healthiest and best way you know how.

Keep us posted and let us know what the rule is.

[em2style]

hey Jayperx2, let me try to help you out with this situation. Basically, your right, the new order does not state that Marines will be grandfathered in, however you were already previously assigned before the new order hit. Think of it like tattoos. When the order came out that sleeves were not acceptable Marines who were already enlisted were not required to get waviers because they were enlisted before that order hit. Same thing goes for Marines already assigned to the BCP order. You dont get the luxury of being given that 120 day period. However at the same time, you should have been given roughly 30 days to try and make the weight depending on your command. thats usually how long it takes to get your paperwork through the system. Now i dont know how much over you are or what percentage your at, but remember that with this new order you dont get the luxury of the 1st class PFT and 21% and under. If you can get a first class PFT and get yourself to 21% or less you will get off the program after your 6 months because you are under the old order. With the new order, PFT doesnt matter. if your under 27 you must be 18%. I myself am pending BCP, i have been since June 30th, however our Medical here is taking roughly 3 months to get paperwork back to us because they are backed up. However i still participate in the program, also i work in my squadron's S-3. When my paperwork comes back, i will be under the old order because thats when my pending started. It might not seem fair, but at the same time, the old order was not as strict and is easier to get off the program.

[USMC_8156]

hey Jayperx2, let me try to help you out with this situation. Basically, your right, the new order does not state that Marines will be grandfathered in, however you were already previously assigned before the new order hit. Think of it like tattoos. When the order came out that sleeves were not acceptable Marines who were already enlisted were not required to get waviers because they were enlisted before that order hit. Same thing goes for Marines already assigned to the BCP order. You dont get the luxury of being given that 120 day period. However at the same time, you should have been given roughly 30 days to try and make the weight depending on your command. thats usually how long it takes to get your paperwork through the system. Now i dont know how much over you are or what percentage your at, but remember that with this new order you dont get the luxury of the 1st class PFT and 21% and under. If you can get a first class PFT and get yourself to 21% or less you will get off the program after your 6 months because you are under the old order. With the new order, PFT doesnt matter. if your under 27 you must be 18%. I myself am pending BCP, i have been since June 30th, however our Medical here is taking roughly 3 months to get paperwork back to us because they are backed up. However i still participate in the program, also i work in my squadron's S-3. When my paperwork comes back, i will be under the old order because thats when my pending started. It might not seem fair, but at the same time, the old order was not as strict and is easier to get off the program.

Didn't you graduate boot camp like a week ago? How are you overweight already?

[SSgtAllen3381]

No, he's been in a little over a year.

[jayperx2]

oh well, looks like ill just pass my time on BCP, get off and move on. I thought about requesting mast, but im pretty sure my Battalion is sending out some kind of message about Marines already on, staying on. No use making waves about it, at least when im off ill pick up with almost a 1700 composite score haha

[USMC_8156]

oh well, looks like ill just pass my time on BCP, get off and move on. I thought about requesting mast, but im pretty sure my Battalion is sending out some kind of message about Marines already on, staying on. No use making waves about it, at least when im off ill pick up with almost a 1700 composite score haha

And that's why I hate composite scores.

[SSgtAllen3381]

oh well, looks like ill just pass my time on BCP, get off and move on. I thought about requesting mast, but im pretty sure my Battalion is sending out some kind of message about Marines already on, staying on. No use making waves about it, at least when im off ill pick up with almost a 1700 composite score haha


jayperx2...where did that post go where you mentioned you've been in for almost 4 years? Well, regarardless...just keep doing your best to lose that weight, no matter what you have done in the past...GET OFF THAT BCP.

I apologize for making the mistake of saying you were in a little over a year, I thought I read one of your posts where you mentioned that. :cheers:

[em2style]

jayperx2...where did that post go where you mentioned you've been in for almost 4 years? Well, regarardless...just keep doing your best to lose that weight, no matter what you have done in the past...GET OFF THAT BCP.

I apologize for making the mistake of saying you were in a little over a year, I thought I read one of your posts where you mentioned that. :cheers:

No you actually quoted me on that post, not JayperX2. Im the one thats been in just over a year. And really, its happening at the schoolhouses for the MOS's. We do weigh ins on every Marine checking into our unit and there are so many PFC's and LCpl's checking in that are either overweight by like 3-5lbs or just at max. And these kids are becoming like this at their school houses because the PT is just not the same as boot camp was.

[SSgtAllen3381]

I stand corrected...again. I think it goes deeper than just boot camp. These "kids" now a days are ALL BIGGER than years past. It was different when I first came in too and the kids are steadily getting bigger. I think it may be the steroids in the milk and chicken. :) :)

[dgeezy]

Why is there even a BCP in the Marine Corps?? Seriously, it's the MARINE CORPS. Here's a solution to BCP............... If they're a disgusting vile fatbody, discharge them, immediately. Simple. Problem fixed. 2 Birds with one stone..... NO BCP and NO FATBODIES

[CSBurns]

No you actually quoted me on that post, not JayperX2. Im the one thats been in just over a year. And really, its happening at the schoolhouses for the MOS's. We do weigh ins on every Marine checking into our unit and there are so many PFC's and LCpl's checking in that are either overweight by like 3-5lbs or just at max. And these kids are becoming like this at their school houses because the PT is just not the same as boot camp was.

There are more and more MOS schools that are not doing enough PT. Their academic schedule is too packed or the leadership at the schoolhouse just isn't there.

[em2style]

Why is there even a BCP in the Marine Corps?? Seriously, it's the MARINE CORPS. Here's a solution to BCP............... If they're a disgusting vile fatbody, discharge them, immediately. Simple. Problem fixed. 2 Birds with one stone..... NO BCP and NO FATBODIES

Ok, so in your opinion, overweight=discharge. ok, so with this new order, we have a SSgt that is 25 yrs old, measures 70in, his max weight is 191lb. He weights in at 198lb, and after taping is found to be 21%, but this Marine does 20 pull-ups, 100 crunches, and runs a 23:30. He has a first class PFT, but under this new order PFT no longer matters. So are you saying that we should discharge him, because he has more muscle weighing him down than fat? Discharge a SSgt who has been in for 9 good years?

The Marine Corps will never just get rid of the BCP program, it cant. Every branch has some form of it. You have to give people the chance to lose the weight in a realistic time amount. If you say ok, your 20lbs over, you have 2 months. thats not realistic. especially depending on what their MOS is. for 20lbs, the realistic timeframe is around 5-6 months. Also you have to remember that just because a Marine is overweight, it does not make him disgusting. Not all overweight Marines look overweight.

The last point i will make for now is the fact of simple numbers. The Marine Corps is lacking numbers. I think were at just over 220,000 now. The Corps wants numbers.

[USMC_8156]

There are more and more MOS schools that are not doing enough PT. Their academic schedule is too packed or the leadership at the schoolhouse just isn't there.

I think there's two problems here.

A - The weight limits are no longer realistic. Humans are getting bigger, end of story.

B - Most kids don't know how to eat. Suddenly you're in MOS school, Mom's not there to tell you not to eat snickers, and neither is your Drill Instrutor. So you eat shit food every day. Nutrition should be pushed just as much as PT, since as any personal trainer will tell you, your physique is 25% Gym, 10% Rest, and 65% Diet.

[dgeezy]

Ok, so in your opinion, overweight=discharge. ok, so with this new order, we have a SSgt that is 25 yrs old, measures 70in, his max weight is 191lb. He weights in at 198lb, and after taping is found to be 21%, but this Marine does 20 pull-ups, 100 crunches, and runs a 23:30. He has a first class PFT, but under this new order PFT no longer matters. So are you saying that we should discharge him, because he has more muscle weighing him down than fat? Discharge a SSgt who has been in for 9 good years?

The Marine Corps will never just get rid of the BCP program, it cant. Every branch has some form of it. You have to give people the chance to lose the weight in a realistic time amount. If you say ok, your 20lbs over, you have 2 months. thats not realistic. especially depending on what their MOS is. for 20lbs, the realistic timeframe is around 5-6 months. Also you have to remember that just because a Marine is overweight, it does not make him disgusting. Not all overweight Marines look overweight.

The last point i will make for now is the fact of simple numbers. The Marine Corps is lacking numbers. I think were at just over 220,000 now. The Corps wants numbers.

Wrong. I said, if they're a disgusting vile fatbody... discharge them. Use common sense. Obviously there are always going to be "overweight" Marine's. Hell I was "overweight" before I got out the first time. I weighed like 210 and my max was 203, but i still ran a high first class. I was begging to be put on BCP so I could make a fool of all the nasty pigs in it. All Im saying is, if the Marine Corps would utilize common sense "aka when hell freezes over" we could cut the extra fat, pun intended.

And it does not take 6 months to lose 20lbs. it takes a month and a half.

Oh and your numbers point? Who cares about numbers. Im sick of the Marine Corps being so big. 220,000 is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much for an elite fighting force. it should be 100,000 max. And all Ultra POG MOS's should be done away with. If there werent any fatbodies in the Corps our numbers would plummit drastically, but then the POG's would be pretty much non existent.

[USMC_8156]

All Im saying is, if the Marine Corps would utilize common sense "aka when hell freezes over" we could cut the extra fat, pun intended.

Read this.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=puns


And it does not take 6 months to lose 20lbs. it takes a month and a half.
Wrong. Healthy weight loss, the doctors say, is 2lbs a week. Anything more is unhealthy, and often unmaintainable.

[em2style]

Wrong. I said, if they're a disgusting vile fatbody... discharge them. Use common sense. Obviously there are always going to be "overweight" Marine's. Hell I was "overweight" before I got out the first time. I weighed like 210 and my max was 203, but i still ran a high first class. I was begging to be put on BCP so I could make a fool of all the nasty pigs in it. All Im saying is, if the Marine Corps would utilize common sense "aka when hell freezes over" we could cut the extra fat, pun intended.

And it does not take 6 months to lose 20lbs. it takes a month and a half.

Oh and your numbers point? Who cares about numbers. Im sick of the Marine Corps being so big. 220,000 is waaaaaaaaaaaaay to much for an elite fighting force. it should be 100,000 max. And all Ultra POG MOS's should be done away with. If there werent any fatbodies in the Corps our numbers would plummit drastically, but then the POG's would be pretty much non existent.

I apologize, i did miss the disgusting vile fatbody part. But you wanting to be on BCP so you could "showoff" is wrong. I know you understand that these Marines are already self-concious that they are on this program. And while you may have been overweight yourself, why would want to discourage the people more than they already are? If you were on the program and ran 1st class, thats fine but if you would do it to "showoff" i would say your not much of a leadership figure. You should be encouraging them to drop the weight, not telling them im better than you. Im sure they already would realise this. And i bet you would get laughed at by the Marines that run the BCP program even if your PFT was higher than them. They would sit there and call you disgusting because you were overweight. My mindset is simple. Even tho im pending BCP, i still encourage Marines to drop the weight, just as they do myself. If their the type that doesnt care, i dont help them. If they want to be non-req'd and admin sepped then i let em. im not gonna waste my time helping someone who doesnt want to lose the weight. Thats the choice of every human being. In the world we live in, regardless of what you do, you have choices, even being a Marine. And its your choice to be that shitbag or not. If someone wants to fix themselves, they will.

I do in one sense agree with the numbers being too high as it is, but at the same time i do not. Im going to start a new thread on it. we can discuss that there and leave this thread with what it is intended for.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Why is there even a BCP in the Marine Corps?? Seriously, it's the MARINE CORPS. Here's a solution to BCP............... If they're a disgusting vile fatbody, discharge them, immediately. Simple. Problem fixed. 2 Birds with one stone..... NO BCP and NO FATBODIES

WOW! Way to have compassion for your fellow Marine, if you are a Marine that is. So, the Marines that get hurt and become over weight, should just be kicked out of the Corps? Good idea, maybe you should run this by the SgtMajor of the Marine Corps. :rolleyes:

[em2style]

WOW! Way to have compassion for your fellow Marine, if you are a Marine that is. So, the Marines that get hurt and become over weight, should just be kicked out of the Corps? Good idea, maybe you should run this by the SgtMajor of the Marine Corps. :rolleyes:

what i believe he is getting at, is those Marines that dont care and dont wanna drop the weight if they are or become overweight. The BCP program in my unit has a few people that are fairly overweight and dont even try to lose the weight. We have one individual who is on limited duty from shoulder surgery. Understandable that he cant PT. however this Marine when on light duty would go to the gym and ride the bicycle. but there was no resistance whatsoever on the bike. He is the type of Marine that needs to be "let go" from the Corps. And lets not even start on diets. He saw me walking along one day and picked me up and sitting right beside him were 3 big macs from McDonalds. I stopped trying to help him. At the same time i have 2 Marines that just checked into my shop who are overweight. Both are 40lbs over, however are trying like hell to lose weight, and are making progress. Their old unit had them sitting in a corner watching movies all day because they had nothing for them to do. Here they do MCI's on free time, and pt twice a day, 5 days a week. They like this unit alot better, they actually do things for a change.

[LeaderOfMarines]

. And all Ultra POG MOS's should be done away with..
Hope you will never need chow, air support, or a ride....or pay for that fact..good luck on your trip.

[ghb2513]

I think the new order sucks.

It reminds me of the program that was in effect when I was in the Corps: 18% period. PFT score didn't count.

They should've just stuck to the one where you can tape in at 21% as long as you have a 1st class PFT.

[dgeezy]

WOW! Way to have compassion for your fellow Marine, if you are a Marine that is. So, the Marines that get hurt and become over weight, should just be kicked out of the Corps? Good idea, maybe you should run this by the SgtMajor of the Marine Corps. :rolleyes:

Riiiiiiiiight. Because if you get hurt, that automatically means you HAVE to become fat. GTFOH. All staying in shape requires is that you eat right and exercise. If you can't manage that, then you are undisciplined, and therefore not worthy of the uniform, and should be discharged. If you're hurt, you can still exercise. Marines like to use injury as an excuse to get fat.

[em2style]

Dont forget that corpman like to give people excess light duty for minor injuries. I strained my neck last friday and couldnt move it. I went to medical and they said "o, you have a neck strain. here's ib profuen and some muscle relaxers. o your light duty no pt for 3 weeks." I told them they were out of their minds for giving me 3 weeks of no PT. The doc cut it down to 10 days. Still, they like to give way to much light duty, for injuries that only need like 3-4 days off pt.

[CSBurns]

Riiiiiiiiight. Because if you get hurt, that automatically means you HAVE to become fat. GTFOH. All staying in shape requires is that you eat right and exercise. If you can't manage that, then you are undisciplined, and therefore not worthy of the uniform, and should be discharged. If you're hurt, you can still exercise. Marines like to use injury as an excuse to get fat.


So when I broke both bones in my leg and couldn't exercise for over a month I was undisciplined?


RIIIIIIIIGHT.

I will agree with you about the eating, if you cut back your calories while you are injured you can still maintain weight, but sometimes you just can't PT until you are healed and it has nothign to do with discipline, you may in fact injure yourself even further.

I fractured my hand arm in Okinawa and tried to do pull ups sooner than the doc told me to and I made it worse. Learned my lesson, sometimes they do have your best interest in mind.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Riiiiiiiiight. Because if you get hurt, that automatically means you HAVE to become fat. GTFOH. All staying in shape requires is that you eat right and exercise. If you can't manage that, then you are undisciplined, and therefore not worthy of the uniform, and should be discharged. If you're hurt, you can still exercise. Marines like to use injury as an excuse to get fat.

I see you are the only one that thinks he's entitled to an opinion, or that you think you are the only one that is right? So, to say a Marine that has his leg blown off, should be kicked out of the Corps because he gets "fat". Or a Marine that has had some type of leg or foot surgery...can PT to the point to keep the weight off. It's obvious you have never had a lower extremity surgery procedure done.

GTFOH..is right, you should GTF out of the Corps because you have no common sense. Or are you out now?

WHERE has ANYONE said they used getting hurt as an excuse? You can't show that...because all you want to do is show how "tough" you are on a message board. Don't hide behind the monitor and curse those that are still serving their country proudly, whether they are "fat" or not.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Dont forget that corpman like to give people excess light duty for minor injuries. I strained my neck last friday and couldnt move it. I went to medical and they said "o, you have a neck strain. here's ib profuen and some muscle relaxers. o your light duty no pt for 3 weeks." I told them they were out of their minds for giving me 3 weeks of no PT. The doc cut it down to 10 days. Still, they like to give way to much light duty, for injuries that only need like 3-4 days off pt.

You are talking about your neck...not a finger or toe. I commend you on your toughness (hard head) and have been there and done that. But, I can confirm that being a knucklehead and not following orders, can further prolong your injury and only make it worse.

[Poolie Connolly]

I weighed 250 at age 25. Down in three years from dieting and rigorous, painful weights and cardio to 148. Going to hit boot at or around that weight on Tuesday. For my height, my range is 119-227 (I am age 28 so I think the upper number gives me more slack.

I still am self conscious because I lost a lot of weight, and because I didn't buy a weight set at first and just did push ups and crunches and leg lifts for 20 minutes a day for like 9 months, my upper body got built and my ass, thighs and calves withered to a point where it became difficult to stand around because my balance was just thrown off badly. Top it off with loose skin and no cushion on my ass and even my favorite hobby of sitting around became unbearable since there was nothing there except flaps of skin and bone.

Around 10 months in I started walking and jogging once in while, but my large upper torso in contrast to my tiny lower body (split by a 28 inch waist, I had to toss all my size 38-40 jeans out because even with a belt I looked just ridiculous and my xxl shirts, I actually liked that) made me hit the ground with such force on my weak legs each step that my legs literally hurt for days and days after each run. The actual breathing and endurance weren't hard at all, which is funny, the pain shooting through my calves, ankles and knees made me feel like each ground pound was going to snap my toothpicks like twigs.

Got my bench with leg machine thing for plates and also started to do squats with my weight bar on my back, adding plates as I went (broke my window falling over once and fell back into my dog, daughter, computer, TV and house plants a few times, squats are probably the worst weight exercise some sadist ever created). Now, running still gets me sore in the legs, but I can push through it without needing to stop or take a day off, and am finally developing my lower body.

Going into boot my balance has not fully recovered to how it was as a fat body. Apparently I was a very graceful mofo as a fattie. Now I feel like a lanky, clumsy teenager. I figure even though I am grown I sort of need to relearn things after being a fatbody from age 12-25 since I am now differnt. Posture, balance and muscle control being most prevalent.

I still need to fill in loose skin too. But its like flaps with nothing in them. Kinda humorous to me though. At least my arms don't hang like sleeve of wizard like some old hag who got stomach stapling done and then didn't do a damn thing to try to fill in the loose skin except beg hubby for lipo. My arms are probably the most ripped looking part of me, but I have stretch marks on my biceps and triceps that aren't going away. I just flex and consider them to be scars of my battle with fat. I think I have good enough genes to fill in well since I have a thick neck, small wast, v shaped torso and broad shoulders, but I mean it takes time.

That being said, I mean, you guys can do this easy since even if you guys got a little too complacent, you once were fit marines and are the reason I wanted to join since I was 16. I wanted to be you. I was the fat nerd in high school, the one who never go laid or even went out of his house very often. If at age 25 I can change into somebody my own mother literally did not recognize after not seeing her for 4 years, get carded for smokes and liquor since I look like I am 17 (at age 18 I didn't get carded, haha), then you guys can lose a couple extra pounds easy. Just takes a little dedication and maybe a little pain, which you should be used to.

[Poolie Connolly]

I weighed 250 at age 25. Down in three years from dieting and rigorous, painful weights and cardio to 148. Going to hit boot at or around that weight on Tuesday. For my height, my range is 119-227 (I am age 28 so I think the upper number gives me more slack.

I still am self conscious because I lost a lot of weight, and because I didn't buy a weight set at first and just did push ups and crunches and leg lifts for 20 minutes a day for like 9 months, my upper body got built and my ass, thighs and calves withered to a point where it became difficult to stand around because my balance was just thrown off badly. Top it off with loose skin and no cushion on my ass and even my favorite hobby of sitting around became unbearable since there was nothing there except flaps of skin and bone.

Around 10 months in I started walking and jogging once in while, but my large upper torso in contrast to my tiny lower body (split by a 28 inch waist, I had to toss all my size 38-40 jeans out because even with a belt I looked just ridiculous and my xxl shirts, I actually liked that) made me hit the ground with such force on my weak legs each step that my legs literally hurt for days and days after each run. The actual breathing and endurance weren't hard at all, which is funny, the pain shooting through my calves, ankles and knees made me feel like each ground pound was going to snap my toothpicks like twigs.

Got my bench with leg machine thing for plates and also started to do squats with my weight bar on my back, adding plates as I went (broke my window falling over once and fell back into my dog, daughter, computer, TV and house plants a few times, squats are probably the worst weight exercise some sadist ever created). Now, running still gets me sore in the legs, but I can push through it without needing to stop or take a day off, and am finally developing my lower body.

Going into boot my balance has not fully recovered to how it was as a fat body. Apparently I was a very graceful mofo as a fattie. Now I feel like a lanky, clumsy teenager. I figure even though I am grown I sort of need to relearn things after being a fatbody from age 12-25 since I am now differnt. Posture, balance and muscle control being most prevalent.

I still need to fill in loose skin too. But its like flaps with nothing in them. Kinda humorous to me though. At least my arms don't hang like sleeve of wizard like some old hag who got stomach stapling done and then didn't do a damn thing to try to fill in the loose skin except beg hubby for lipo. My arms are probably the most ripped looking part of me, but I have stretch marks on my biceps and triceps that aren't going away. I just flex and consider them to be scars of my battle with fat. I think I have good enough genes to fill in well since I have a thick neck, small wast, v shaped torso and broad shoulders, but I mean it takes time.

That being said, I mean, you guys can do this easy since even if you guys got a little too complacent, you once were fit marines and are the reason I wanted to join since I was 16. I wanted to be you. I was the fat nerd in high school, the one who never go laid or even went out of his house very often. If at age 25 I can change into somebody my own mother literally did not recognize after not seeing her for 4 years, get carded for smokes and liquor since I look like I am 17 (at age 18 I didn't get carded, haha), then you guys can lose a couple extra pounds easy. Just takes a little dedication and maybe a little pain, which you should be used to.

[dgeezy]

If you are in perfect working order and you are FAT. You dont belong in the Marine Corps. Now, every fatbody i have come across in my illustrious 6 years in the corps, either doesnt care, or malingers about some bull crap injury. Thats a fatbodys ultimate excuse.. "OH MY BACK I CANT PT." Now, there are some legit reasons not to pt, for example, I pulled a muscle in my back yesterday, its annoying and it hurts. I didnt go to bas, i simply told my plt sgt. Im not pt'ing i pulled a muscle in my back. Now, because Im not a disgusting fatbody, and I PT regularly on my own, he knew i wasnt faking the funk, because Platoon PT is no big deal.

But You SSgt. Foooooooooooodservice. I can guarentee you skate out of PT on a regular, and you use some stupid excuse for it, because yorue a fatbody. Thats why youre getting so defensive.

Marines are ELITE. ELITE are IN TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION. IF you are not, YOURE NOT A MARINE. Youre a civilian in digital cammies.

[SSgtAllen3381]

If you are in perfect working order and you are FAT. You dont belong in the Marine Corps. Now, every fatbody i have come across in my illustrious 6 years in the corps, either doesnt care, or malingers about some bull crap injury. Thats a fatbodys ultimate excuse.. "OH MY BACK I CANT PT." Now, there are some legit reasons not to pt, for example, I pulled a muscle in my back yesterday, its annoying and it hurts. I didnt go to bas, i simply told my plt sgt. Im not pt'ing i pulled a muscle in my back. Now, because Im not a disgusting fatbody, and I PT regularly on my own, he knew i wasnt faking the funk, because Platoon PT is no big deal.

But You SSgt. Foooooooooooodservice. I can guarentee you skate out of PT on a regular, and you use some stupid excuse for it, because yorue a fatbody. Thats why youre getting so defensive.

Marines are ELITE. ELITE are IN TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION. IF you are not, YOURE NOT A MARINE. Youre a civilian in digital cammies.

So, now you want a medal because your "tough". Yes, I'm Food Service, what's that have to do with anything? Nothing! The US MARINES on my left breast pocket says it best.

I'm getting defensive? Really? Because I didn't play the "tough guy" role and made an actual POINT on the subject and I didn't agree with you? Or, you can't face the fact that hiding behind a key board, calling people names, isn't going to get me brownie points with a Plt Sgt? Which one is it?

Now, to quote you, "I pulled a muscle in my back"...ummmm, contradicted yourself there smart one. So, how do you know you pulled a muscle if you didn't go to BAS? You must be a Doctor or a Corpsman right?

You are right, I would use the excuse of being on crutches, stitches and screws in my ankle as an excuse not to PT? YEP! You got me on that one.

You are correct on the Elite. I was so elite that I went on a deployment 3 months after my first surgery, foot in my "robo-boot". Where's my "tough guy" ribbon? You seem to be the almighty of the Marine Corps, where is it? As a matter of fact, just hang on to it and wait until after my next surgery so I can put a star on my ribbon. YOU GOING TO BRING IT TO ME?

You are a joke and YOU ARE PROBABLY a civilian that has no clue what Marines go through. So, keep the middle school rants to yourself buddy...it's not going to fly here.

You don't know me and I don't know you. Let's just keep it like that.

Another thing...quit whining, it makes you look weak.

[ibnEpaminondas]

If you are in perfect working order and you are FAT. You dont belong in the Marine Corps. Now, every fatbody i have come across in my illustrious 6 years in the corps, either doesnt care, or malingers about some bull crap injury. Thats a fatbodys ultimate excuse.. "OH MY BACK I CANT PT." Now, there are some legit reasons not to pt, for example, I pulled a muscle in my back yesterday, its annoying and it hurts. I didnt go to bas, i simply told my plt sgt. Im not pt'ing i pulled a muscle in my back. Now, because Im not a disgusting fatbody, and I PT regularly on my own, he knew i wasnt faking the funk, because Platoon PT is no big deal.

But You SSgt. Foooooooooooodservice. I can guarentee you skate out of PT on a regular, and you use some stupid excuse for it, because yorue a fatbody. Thats why youre getting so defensive.

Marines are ELITE. ELITE are IN TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION. IF you are not, YOURE NOT A MARINE. Youre a civilian in digital cammies.

Bad form, brother. The reasons are obvious.

Please define "TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION" so that I can identify which of my Marines are not really Marines.

Do you really consider a service that requires a minimum of just 3 pull-ups "ELITE"? Are 3 pull-ups and a minimum score on the PFT "TOP PHYSICAL CONDITION"? The Corps seems to think it's good enough. What about all of the other minimums that the Corps says are good enough? Shouldn't an elite force have higher minimums?

Don't kid yourself...not all Marines are elite, but they all should meet or exceed the minimums.

If it matters, I max'd my last PFT...and the one before that...and the one before that...and so on...

[ibnEpaminondas]

Why is there even a BCP in the Marine Corps?? Seriously, it's the MARINE CORPS. Here's a solution to BCP............... If they're a disgusting vile fatbody, discharge them, immediately. Simple. Problem fixed. 2 Birds with one stone..... NO BCP and NO FATBODIES

Like it or not, the Corps has to have a document that defines what a "disgusting vile fatbody" is and what to do when we have one. Otherwise, we would have a subjective standard and we would be fatter than we are now. And you can bet that such a subjective standard would vary with rank...the same way enforcement varied with rank under the previous version of the BCP.

Codifying the standards and enforcing them are the best way.

[em2style]

It has just been passed down through my unit that people who were on the program prior to the new order will not be grandfathered in. At the end of this week, we are having an all hands weigh-in, and those Marines that were on BCP prior, if not in standards, will be restarted under the new order. However they will not be given the 120 day period. This means that a Marine who is currently on the BCP program and has say 2 months left, if not at 18% BF yet, will have their time restarted, so they will be on for another 6 months. However, if they are in standards, they will be allowed to finish their prior contract and get off the program. Im not sure if this is what is happening across the Marine Corps, but realize that it may. The Corps is all about this new program.

[LeaderOfMarines]

What amazes me is that you cannot non-req a Marine if they are on BCP...yeh go figure!

[SSgtAllen3381]

What amazes me is that you cannot non-req a Marine if they are on BCP...yeh go figure!

My unit did.

[em2style]

Actually being on BCP is an automatic non-req. You cannot pick up rank or pcs while on BCP. You can be FAP'd out, or pca'd however. Also you may recieve a 6105 every month if you are not making progress on the program.

[USMClifestylenotajob]

I firmly agree with the stricter standards. But what really needs to happen is the Marine Corps adopt a far more accurate method of checking bodyfat. 18% is more than enough bodyfat for Marines to be carrying around. However, we have several Marines in our unit as I'm sure you all do as well that are lean and mean but have skinny necks. With that said, we have several Marines already having to get the waivers started due to the inaccuracy of the Marine Corps current method. Quick question, being as the IG teams recommended to HQMC to adopt the skin fold test why was that denied? If anyone out there has a logical explanation I'd love to hear it. Some of our most physically fit Marines are taping in at 19 and 20% but but go to Semper Fit and get skin folded at 9 and 10 %.

[ibnEpaminondas]

I firmly agree with the stricter standards. But what really needs to happen is the Marine Corps adopt a far more accurate method of checking bodyfat. 18% is more than enough bodyfat for Marines to be carrying around. However, we have several Marines in our unit as I'm sure you all do as well that are lean and mean but have skinny necks. With that said, we have several Marines already having to get the waivers started due to the inaccuracy of the Marine Corps current method. Quick question, being as the IG teams recommended to HQMC to adopt the skin fold test why was that denied? If anyone out there has a logical explanation I'd love to hear it. Some of our most physically fit Marines are taping in at 19 and 20% but but go to Semper Fit and get skin folded at 9 and 10 %.

You hit the nail on the head. If we're going to potentially kick Marines out because they don't meet body fat standards, we must give those Marines the benefit of the doubt and measure them using the most accurate method available.

I think the Corps' justification for the neck/waist measurement method was because it's a method that all units can use whereever they're serving (i.e., one standard for all Marines). I don't think this logic is sound because the ramifications of using this inaccurate method are too serious.

[USMClifestylenotajob]

I see many Marines having their careers take some negative paths in the near future do to this inaccuracy. And to say the least it sickens me to believe that the Corps will standby and let this happen to great Marines simply because of there genetic structure. I'm currently working on my own point paper to send in to HQMC along with photo's of several very physically fit Marines as well as some not so fit Marines. What is very hard to swallow at this point is the response back from my current command. So far the senior leadership has only given the guidance of "build you're necks" even though they are speaking of Marines that are in great shape and currently perform consistent 280 and above PFT's. I look forward to the waves this may cause and hopefully end up with change. At this point I'm willing to sacrifice my career for the sake of those younger hard chargers that are also feeling the affects of this neck/waist method. The only conclusion that the Marine Corps and my senior leadership seem to have come to at this point is that no matter how large the mid section of their Marines are as long as they have a fat neck as well they are good to go.

If the Marine Corps is hiding behind the reasoning of taping Marines is convenient due to serving in all areas of the world, then it would make just as much sense to me to invest in skin fold calipers and toss out those useless and inaccurate tapes.

[jhb3043]

You hit the nail on the head. If we're going to potentially kick Marines out because they don't meet body fat standards, we must give those Marines the benefit of the doubt and measure them using the most accurate method available.

I think the Corps' justification for the neck/waist measurement method was because it's a method that all units can use whereever they're serving (i.e., one standard for all Marines). I don't think this logic is sound because the ramifications of using this inaccurate method are too serious.

for the last 8 or more years, every S-3 shop has a CPU. i don't see why they can't use the same computer program that the local Semper Fit center has to measure body fat with tha calipers (aka the "body builder" method). this could even be done at the company/unit level....

that stupid tape method is the career ender for countless of good Marines.

[jhb3043]

I see many Marines having their careers take some negative paths in the near future do to this inaccuracy. And to say the least it sickens me to believe that the Corps will standby and let this happen to great Marines simply because of there genetic structure. I'm currently working on my own point paper to send in to HQMC along with photo's of several very physically fit Marines as well as some not so fit Marines. What is very hard to swallow at this point is the response back from my current command. So far the senior leadership has only given the guidance of "build you're necks" even though they are speaking of Marines that are in great shape and currently perform consistent 280 and above PFT's. I look forward to the waves this may cause and hopefully end up with change. At this point I'm willing to sacrifice my career for the sake of those younger hard chargers that are also feeling the affects of this neck/waist method. The only conclusion that the Marine Corps and my senior leadership seem to have come to at this point is that no matter how large the mid section of their Marines are as long as they have a fat neck as well they are good to go.

If the Marine Corps is hiding behind the reasoning of taping Marines is convenient due to serving in all areas of the world, then it would make just as much sense to me to invest in skin fold calipers and toss out those useless and inaccurate tapes.

i commend you for doing that powerpoint

please post a comment on how that went. shoot i could even send you some pictures to back up your slides if you want.


The only conclusion that the Marine Corps and my senior leadership seem to have come to at this point is that no matter how large the mid section of their Marines are as long as they have a fat neck as well they are good to go.

see this is wrong. my old company Gunny had a "fat neck" (i swear he said it measured at 20") and a big 'ol gut. but he'd pass the tape. i mean the one time i seen him in charlies, he looked pregnant!! (he was still a cool mofo tho)

anyway, WTF is the purpose of trying to work out your neck with weights and getting it to grow big??:mad: :mad: there most likely ain't no dress blues that would fit the rest of your body with a bigger neck size :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[SSgtAllen3381]

JHB, that just goes along with the inaccurate readings on that tape. Just like the tape method is supposed to be done 3 times. WHY? Will the tape shrink/stretch after the first use?

Another thing that is pointless...height measurements. Damn near everytime I get my height measured, I either shrunk or got taller. The shorter the person doing the verifying, the taller I get. I hope we get a midget in the S3 next month. :)

[timo1345]

Does anyone know if the marine was assigned to the BCP program before the new order came out and did make weight but not the 18% body fat which is required now does that marine get the chance to come off the program and have 120 days to drop the rest of the body fat or does this new order prevent them from comming off the BCP program and assigned a 2nd time???? If you have sorces plz post

[SSgtAllen3381]

Does anyone know if the marine was assigned to the BCP program before the new order came out and did make weight but not the 18% body fat which is required now does that marine get the chance to come off the program and have 120 days to drop the rest of the body fat or does this new order prevent them from comming off the BCP program and assigned a 2nd time???? If you have sorces plz post




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[jayperx2]

Does anyone know if the marine was assigned to the BCP program before the new order came out and did make weight but not the 18% body fat which is required now does that marine get the chance to come off the program and have 120 days to drop the rest of the body fat or does this new order prevent them from comming off the BCP program and assigned a 2nd time???? If you have sorces plz post

I was the original poster, and what happened was, around the 20th of July i was told to go weigh in, and was a bit over and i didnt tape out. I was assigned pretty much the next day. Bad on me. i understand going onto BCP and i am fixing myself. My problem with it is, that I was put on BCP a couple weeks before this new order came out on 8 August, and im on the old program, where someone who checks in on say 9 August gets 120 days to lose the weight before they get put on. This just doesnt seem right. The same opportunity should be afforded to all.

[timo1345]

Does anyone know if the marine was assigned to the BCP program before the new order came out and did make weight but not the 18% body fat which is required now does that marine get the chance to come off the program and have 120 days to drop the rest of the body fat or does this new order prevent them from comming off the BCP program and assigned a 2nd time???? If you have sorces plz post

the reason i was asking this is 1st assignment BCP is mandtory 6 months i was 3 lbs over my max. my 6 months end in 3 weeks and i am now 8lbs under but still a lil over body fat. i have been wanting to re-enlist but can not due to the fact im on BCP. so i go in for my evaluation today with company 1st sgt and find out that i have 3 weeks to make 18% or i get put on a 2nd assignment and will not be able to re-enlist. I do not appear to be over weight but from the "Tape" method i am. Just trying to find out if maybe anyone knows how this works for marines already assigned to BCP and not givin the chance to drop the rest of the body fat. This is going to end many careers.

[USMClifestylenotajob]

JHB,

Here's the latest update. Just this week we had a PME on the Military Appearance program, BCP, and MCMAP.
The PME was given by the very Marines who run these programs. The man in charge is a reserve Colonel. Also at the PME was a rep from Semper Fit who was there to pass word about the resources they offer Marines, ie: Nutrition advice, exercise advice, bodyfat calculations, etc. Once the PME was complete naturally they opened the floor for questions. Which of course I had many. Question 1. If a Marine has utilized his resources of Semper Fit and has been given the full health assessment and everything is outstanding and he in turn bodyfat tests at 10% then gets taped in at his unit at 20% what is your guidance? Answer. The Marine Corps does not recognize the caliper methods of Semper fit therefore the tape method stands. Next question. How can Semper fit be suggested as a resource if the Marine Corps will not honor the results given by an educated health professional at Semper fit? Answer. Semper fit is there solely for advice and guidance. Next question, I stated an article from Marine Corps Times regarding the Inspector General teams recommending to HQMC that they adopt a more accurate bodyfat test method, in which they recommended the caliper method. Why was that recommendation denied? Answer, Basically it came down to money. 2 dollar tape versus 30 dollar calipers. Which lead me to my next question. If the Marine Corps is concerned with saving money then why spend thousands of dollars training Marines thru combat training and MOS schools just to turn around and buy a 2 dollar tape that has the inaccuracy to potential admin sep an outstanding and physically fit Marine. The answer I got back was very beat around the bush and didn't hit on my point at all. Next question, if the Marine Corps prides itself so much on attention to detail then how can it standby and accept this inacurracy. Answer, The Marine Corps still thinks it's the best method. Next question, Can you explain to us how having a large neck makes a Marine more combat effective or physically fit. Answer, also very beat around bush that missed the mark by miles. Also I was basically told that the Marine Corps has received so many point papers on this subject over the years that mine would simply be another to add to the stack. With that said I proceeded to legal to gather advice on how to go about contacting my congressman regarding an inaccuracy in the Marine Corps that could ultimately end the careers of outstanding and physically fit Marines. I'll be sure to let you now how that turns out. Until next time, does anyone know of a Dr. that will inject botox into my neck? That should add a good inch or so.

[em2style]

the reason i was asking this is 1st assignment BCP is mandtory 6 months i was 3 lbs over my max. my 6 months end in 3 weeks and i am now 8lbs under but still a lil over body fat. i have been wanting to re-enlist but can not due to the fact im on BCP. so i go in for my evaluation today with company 1st sgt and find out that i have 3 weeks to make 18% or i get put on a 2nd assignment and will not be able to re-enlist. I do not appear to be over weight but from the "Tape" method i am. Just trying to find out if maybe anyone knows how this works for marines already assigned to BCP and not givin the chance to drop the rest of the body fat. This is going to end many careers.[/QUOTE]

OK, to start, they cannot put you onto the program if u are under your weight limit, regardless if u come in at a higher BF%. They can put you onto the Apperance program which will give u the 120 days to make good. But this will not keep you from reenlisting, and if your 1st Sgt says it does, request mast. Also so you are aware ( as well as anyone else) If you are assigned to BCP, you must be sent to medical and have blood work done before you can be assigned to the program. This is to check for underlining causes, such as thyroid problems that make the weight gain uncontrollable.

Also, with the 120 days, the first 60 have no actions taken other than being told to lose the weight on your own. This means you are not required to PT under the BCP program.

[NavMc]

The order clearly states that Marines who are currently assigned can be re-evaluated and if not found within standards the current assignment will reset to the date of the re-evaluation. However there is no way out of it, you do have to complete the 6 month assignment but if you need the extra time, since theres new standards to meet, it should be granted to you.
NavMc

[notamotogrunt]

BCP should be handled on a case by case basis. When I graduated boot I was 6'2 220. Out of regs. But I did 100 19 and a 21:30. No problems there. THis new rule is bullshit. Its saying we want a bunch of skinny marines with small muscle mass. Doesnt make much sense to me. Now I am 6'3' (grew just a bit but they give me the extra inch) 225-230. I do 100 20 and run like a 25 or 26. They are telling me that I am fat. give me a break. I lift and put on muscle and have no intentions on stopping that. But according to the new order I have to otherwise I am a "disgusting fatbody" (or however it is you motards are going to refer to me).
THis order is ridiculous and was not well thought. ALso I think its funny that SNCOs never have to get weighed or taped, and whenever they do they are just under their max allowable....weird.

[CSBurns]

BCP should be handled on a case by case basis. When I graduated boot I was 6'2 220. Out of regs. But I did 100 19 and a 21:30. No problems there. THis new rule is bullshit. Its saying we want a bunch of skinny marines with small muscle mass. Doesnt make much sense to me. Now I am 6'3' (grew just a bit but they give me the extra inch) 225-230. I do 100 20 and run like a 25 or 26. They are telling me that I am fat. give me a break. I lift and put on muscle and have no intentions on stopping that. But according to the new order I have to otherwise I am a "disgusting fatbody" (or however it is you motards are going to refer to me).
THis order is ridiculous and was not well thought. ALso I think its funny that SNCOs never have to get weighed or taped, and whenever they do they are just under their max allowable....weird.

You must have some crappy SNCO's, because I step on the scale twice a year (more actually, but officially twice). If I go over 195lbs my knee starts to do some weird junk. Some of them get that rocker and they sit back on it, and the worst part is.....they continue to get promoted.

[notamotogrunt]

One more reason I dont believe in the corps my friend.

[Tha Gaff]

I have a question about the new BCP order MCO 6100.13. I am currently on BCP, I was assigned on july 17 2008, under the old BCP order P6100.12. The new order came into effect on 8 august 2008, and gives Marines 120 days with no punitive action against them to lose the weight. Now i have heard that people on BCP already will stay on it, basically being grandfathered in. Now after going over the order with a fine tooth comb, i have not found anything about being grandfathered in. I cant help but feel like Im being cheated the opportunity to lose the weight myself, where someone who was weighed in less than a month after i was is being afforded 120 days before being assigned to BCP. Am i wrong? Or should Marines like myself be taken off BCP and afforded the 120 days? any help is appreciated.

You should have never let yourself get on it in the first place.

[notamotogrunt]

Intelligent response stud.
Dude your best bet is to take it to the One Sausage. Tell him what you just said here and you should be strait.

[wzgriffith]

You should have never let yourself get on it in the first place.

Good advice.

No wonder young Marines hate looking for help when it comes to stuff like this.

As opposed to ostrasizing this Marine, the right thing to do is provide direcition and encouragement.

Maybe his NCOs should have looked out for him, brought it up when he started stretching out his uniform a little. I won't lie, I started to gain some weight and my fellow Cpl. gave me a little friendly ribbing about it. I wasn't overweight, but I wasn't in the same fighting shape I wanted to be. Now I'm working on it, PTing a lot harder and with a purpose.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Good advice.

No wonder young Marines hate looking for help when it comes to stuff like this.

As opposed to ostrasizing this Marine, the right thing to do is provide direcition and encouragement.

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Providing Leadership and guidance is hard for some, especially when they are only out for themselves. As long as they get promoted..screw the next guy.

[Wiskey0314]

There is another big thing that’s a problem that the Marines are not taking into account. Deployments. When I first got in I had no problem with my body fat. I was always had a High PFT and was under the BCP 18% body fat even though I was over my max. When I went to Iraq in 03 I was in one of the first vehicles to cross the boarder. We quickie out ran our supply train and went 2 weeks with out food or water. We where purifying water from the Tigress river. To say the least I lost a lot of Weight.

Well any doctor will tell you that going through a process like this will drastically affect your metabolism. I left at 190 and at 16% I came back weighing less then when I got home from boot camp. I was at 160, my max being 186 as I recall. With in two months I was at my max with in 6 months I was at 200. I am still to this day having trouble maintaining my weight. Basically what my body was doing was storing energy in the case I went that long with out food again.

For all you to say that it is easy to louse the weight have never had to deal with this type of weight loss. You have to take in to account genetics. Both of my parents are very big. My father was pushing 360 at 6” tall and my mom at 5” was over 300. For me to stay trim I found that I was spending a lot of time in the Gym lifting weights. I was always over. The use it or louse it theory come in to act. Since I was not going to the gym every day and lifting weight and instead was on a poor diet my body started to burn the mussel I had.

What needs to happen is they need to stop treating the BCP program like a punishment and treat it like it was designed, to help Marines maintain a proper nutrition diet and still meet the weight standards. It becomes a punishment when you have some random Staff NCO running it that has never had to deal with these problems and has little to no education on proper weight loss. The Marines need to take avenge of the Semper fit program that is offered by MCCS. This program is free and has trained and well educated personal trainers that are there to help you. That is how I got out of the situation I was in.

[wzgriffith]

What needs to happen is they need to stop treating the BCP program like a punishment and treat it like it was designed, to help Marines maintain a proper nutrition diet and still meet the weight standards. It becomes a punishment when you have some random Staff NCO running it that has never had to deal with these problems and has little to no education on proper weight loss. The Marines need to take avenge of the Semper fit program that is offered by MCCS. This program is free and has trained and well educated personal trainers that are there to help you. That is how I got out of the situation I was in.

I like this. I think there should be a bigger focus in the Corps on proper diet. Not "eat salad devil dog," but more education on calories taken in vs. calories burned. Especially when it comes to Marines with desk jobs. We get bored, we boredom snack all day. Even unit PT might not be enough to burn those extra calories. It was real bad when I was in the barracks. Lots of junk food. I saw I was starting to pudge up and started PTing more on my own, started martial arts etc.

THe other big thing is all you have to do is pay a little attention to what you eat/drink. Slow down when you eat so the full signals get to your head before you overeat. Don't be afraid to leave whats on your plate for later. Keep water at your desk. If you drink a lot of water you don't get boredom hungry as often. Cut back on fast food a little. It all helps.

[Goldy]

I totally agree with you, wzgriffith.

I'd really like to see the Marine Corps be pro-active about this sort of thing, instead of reactive like they currently are.

Every "safety stand down" we get, I hear the same classes about motorcycle safety, car safety, do this, don't do that, boating safety (wtf?), but I NEVER have heard anything about nutrition.... about eating right. About what helps you stay healthy, and what will make you sick.

I don't go boating, and I don't own a motocycle.... and neither do most Marines. But, EVERYBODY eats.... so why don't we get some education on how to eat right? Why don't we get some classes on taking care of our bodies, and how to properly use vitamins, or protein, or how to best recover after morning PT sessions? How about the importance of breakfast? Not until I went to a CPL's course last year did I ever hear about WHY breakfast is the "most important meal of the day." Now I try to eat breakfast every day. Before that, I never ate breakfast.

The Corps as a whole expects Marines to magically know how to properly fuel their body. Nope... not in this day and age. We eat pizza every week. We skip morning chow. We get fast-food for lunch. We drink energy drinks on a daily basis..... and it's all the standard. It's all accepted as the norm.

Why?

Because we're not getting told the effects of that stuff on our bodies. Thus.... Marines get overweight, and are generally unhealthy more than what they should be.



*And for the record, I'm 5'10", 195lbs. I'm overweight, and always have been, according to the Marine Corps. But.... I've never gone below a 1st Class PFT, ever, and I look good in uniform. Thankfully, nobody cares about the height/weight standard in my unit, because they know that I'm not a fatass.

[CSBurns]

These are some good ideas, one of you hard chargers should write an essay on it and submit it, or hell work together on it and put it in. We had a Marine up on Schwab when I was in Oki that couldn't lose the weight and he thought the more Slim Fast he drank the faster he would lose weight........ya you read that right. So he was drinking so much Slim Fast that he probably would have been better off going back to what he was eating.

He was properly educated after that.

I had two Marines in the Reserves that were overweight (REALLY overweight) now for them there is not much i can do as far as remedial PT program, they have to have the discipline to do it on their own.

One Marine when he checked into the unit was a 263 PFTer, but when he went back to drilling status he started getting lazy and he once told me he would drink six 20oz Pepsi's in a day (OMFG WTF!?) on top of whatever he ate, we tried to educate him but he didn't care. From we he told us his wife liked him fat (it meant he wasn't going to get deployed and he would get booted out of the Corps).

The other Marine ended up getting a job at UPS and two months later had lost all but 5 pounds of the weight, he didn't have time to eat crap and he was getting a great workout that was part of his civilian job. he deployed to Iraq and lost the rest of the weight and then some.



Also, don't you love the snack machines packed full of junk food everywhere and the soda mess' that have nothing but crap.


I will admit I do drink Monster when I am having a slow day but I stick to the low carb ones.

[Goldy]

These are some good ideas, one of you hard chargers should write an essay on it and submit it, or hell work together on it and put it in.

I'd do it, but right now I don't have the time.
....and then there's the "who would I send it to?" question.... quickly followed by the "would they even care about it?" question.

Throughout my entire Marine Corps career (all one enlistment of it), I've been shown through actions of my superiors that the opinions of junior enlisted (no matter how good) do not matter, and are not listened to by those that affect policy.



....Maybe I should be like that one dude who mass-emailed the entire Marine Corps on their NIPR accounts. Maybe then the issue would get some attention..:cool:

[drgnnr46]

I don't know if I'd do that. LOL

Well, I don't have a problem with the Corps wanting us to be 19%. I just think that if a Marine runs a 250 PFT or better then they are obviously physically fit and should be allowed to be 21 %. If not, then we as a Marine Corps should measure body fat more accurately. Same thing as most everyone else on here with a little common sense has stated.

[darkhorse0369]

PT and don't stuff your face like a dump truck. I have big Marines in my platoon, but guess what..... If you put them on a good pt program and tell them what is going to happen to them if they don't lose the weight, you'd be surpirised at how they improve.

[Goldy]

PT and don't stuff your face like a dump truck. I have big Marines in my platoon, but guess what..... If you put them on a good pt program and tell them what is going to happen to them if they don't lose the weight, you'd be surpirised at how they improve.

i wasn't trying to be specific toward fat-bodies. I'm also concerned with the guys that are borderline.... and even the guys that are under their maximum weight.

Just because somebody is within regs, doesn't mean that they're being healthy, or are even in shape. I'd like to see the Corps do something about educating it's Marines on health issues... like eating right.

[SSgtAllen3381]

The Marine Corps doesn't care about your nutrition, they care about how you LOOK. SemperFit is always thrown out as a place where one can get all the help they need, but once weigh-ins come around, SF numbers don't count for squat. IF SemperFit can get this equipment, train their "personnel" why can't the Corps buy this equipment and train Marines to use it?

[wzgriffith]

Another thing I think needs to be taken care of is remedial PT. Most times I've seen it, remedial is running twice a day, every day and doing a sh*t load of pull ups.

When done correctly, PT every day can be extremely benificial, proffessional athletes do it all the time. The problem is, in the Marine Corps there is a mentality that "more is always better," and "pain is weakness leaving the body," etc. etc. This is simply not true. Working the same muscles every day (especially 2x) is hard on your body and does more long term damage than good.

You can improve someones run time with cardio, but mix it up between running and low-impact exercises. There are too many options to list.

When it comes to pull ups, do regular pull up workouts, but when it comes to heavy workouts on a particular muscle, make sure you give the muscle you work at least 24-48 hours to recover depending on the intensity of the workout.

Abs you can shred pretty much everyday as they recover in about 24 hours.

THIS IS NOT AN EXCUSE TO GET LAZY ON REMEDIAL though. The point is to improve so there should be a lot of sore, tired muscles. But those muscles should have time to recover.

[supersteve0311]

dude, seriously, lose the pounds, you'll look better anyways.

[Wiskey0314]

It is east for people to say lose pounds when they aren't the one that has to do it. Some people can do it no problem. Some are people and burn 3000 calories a day and only take in 2500 and they may lose some weight again but it comes right back. If you are saying just lose some weight you have never been in our boots.

[wzgriffith]

It is east for people to say lose pounds when they aren't the one that has to do it. Some people can do it no problem. Some are people and burn 3000 calories a day and only take in 2500 and they may lose some weight again but it comes right back. If you are saying just lose some weight you have never been in our boots.

Here's the deal, you can't stop watching what you eat. If you're prone to rapid weight gain, then you have to work harder to not plump up. I suck at running, so I have to work harder than those people who are natuarally good runners. It's little saccrifices you have to make. It's not easy to stay at a good weight if you have the genes to get fat. But back in the day, when people had to find your food and then chase it 10 miles, Im pretty sure no one had problems keeping weight off. Just burn more calories than you consume. Look at the boxes a Micky D's and Burger King. Think about what you eat, keep track of it. It's not impossible, and complaining doesnt help.

[jhb3043]

The Marine Corps doesn't care about your nutrition, they care about how you LOOK. SemperFit is always thrown out as a place where one can get all the help they need, but once weigh-ins come around, SF numbers don't count for squat. IF SemperFit can get this equipment, train their "personnel" why can't the Corps buy this equipment and train Marines to use it?


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if the Semper Fit can do it,

why can't the USMC do it???!!!

[CplVelociraptor]

The Marine Corps doesn't care about your nutrition, they care about how you LOOK. SemperFit is always thrown out as a place where one can get all the help they need, but once weigh-ins come around, SF numbers don't count for squat. IF SemperFit can get this equipment, train their "personnel" why can't the Corps buy this equipment and train Marines to use it?

Couldn't agree with you more SSgt. I struggled with my weight before going out on my first deployment where, ironically enough, I had much more time to PT than in the states. I focused, and am still focusing on becoming leaner, and meaner, but that involved a good combination of nutrition, proper exercise, and proper preparation for that exercise. I was on a BCP-like program at one time, because a motivated GySgt put his ass on the line to save me from BCP itself, and I could never thank him enough. Unlike the previous BCP NCOs/SNCOs, who did pull-ups and three-mile runs, this gunny actually had a proper plan, and while he was intense, and slayed us regularly, it was good slaying, and not once did he pass a Marine at the end of PT without motivating them, and giving them suggestions.

The Marine Corps idea seems to be that not only is someone with a 300 PFT guaranteed to deserve meritorious promotion to the ranks that impact Marines directly more than any other in leadership, but that they are also magically gifted with the ability to, by using a PT plan that fits their needs, improve the physical conditioning of others. There are a lot of Marines, with a lot of different bodies, and they need to handled individually.

[SSgtAllen3381]

CplV, I'm glad to hear that you had someone encourage you to go that extra mile. While every Marine is supposed to be treated the same, we all know that's not the case. The BCP program is one of those instances when I think each individual Marine should be treated differently. It's great that a program is out there and Marines aren't "thrown to the Wolves", but it's still each individual that needs to do it for himself. Regardless of all the Motivators out there...it's all at "your" feet to get it done.

I'm also glad to see that you have someone that has your back...that's not always the case.

Good luck

[Darkhorse_Gunny]

Leaders have to be more creative about PT. Running everyday just makes Marines hate to PT. Mix it up.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Couldn't agree more. I had a SSgt back in the "day" and I would ask him if we could do something besides run. He said, "sure, after we are done running, you can take the Marines to do what you want."

UMMMMM, there was no time after his PT to take them anywhere else. Hello...work is calling.

So, now that I'm the SNCOIC, we do mix it up. I've yet to have a Marine tell me that they hate to PT. I ask for their input and we make a good time of it. Hell, even the runs are fun, especially listening to the Marines that don't speak English very well. :) :) :)

Good times...good times.

[1HardDI]

You're right, mixing it up is the key. If Marines like PT, they'll do it, vigorously. But PT isn't frisbee football every day. Maybe once a month, but too many squad leaders out there are content with taking their squads to the gym to play HORSE on the b'ball courts for an hour. I'm taking my Marines kayaking this afternoon. Sounds easy if you haven't done it, but making them chase me around a lake will NOT be easy! Stuff like this is easy to set up if you just ask around. NCO's taking initiative are the key to this.

[coachreese]

Very Touchy Subject For Me. I Might Say The Wrong Things. Wouldn't Want To Scar A Marine's Feelings. So, I'll Just Type In All Caps And End This By Saying, If You Had To Learn About The Standard For 3 Gdamn Months In Boot Camp, Why Get Mad When You Go Against The Grain In The Fleet?


Semper Work Out!

[SSgtAllen3381]

So much for typing in all CAPS huh? ;)

Can you elaborate on what you are saying Coach? I'm not sure what you mean...Thanks

[ivantense]

I've always been overweight since I've been in (even after boot camp) and still am. I'm just at bodyfat regs. However, I look good in uniform and I run a 283 PFT so my command doesn't really give me much about it.

[coachreese]

I have no sympothy for BCP MARINES. You can't graduate boot camp from PCP.

[ecw16]

Very Touchy Subject For Me. I Might Say The Wrong Things. Wouldn't Want To Scar A Marine's Feelings. So, I'll Just Type In All Caps And End This By Saying, If You Had To Learn About The Standard For 3 Gdamn Months In Boot Camp, Why Get Mad When You Go Against The Grain In The Fleet?


Semper Work Out!

The order has changed drastically, and the way we are taped is not correct. I am over bodyfat even if I'm under weight. I see a lot of marines that look terrible in uniform, but arent on the program because they have a huge neck.

[ecw16]

Very Touchy Subject For Me. I Might Say The Wrong Things. Wouldn't Want To Scar A Marine's Feelings. So, I'll Just Type In All Caps And End This By Saying, If You Had To Learn About The Standard For 3 Gdamn Months In Boot Camp, Why Get Mad When You Go Against The Grain In The Fleet?


Semper Work Out!

The order has changed drastically, and the way we are taped is not correct. I am over bodyfat even if I'm under weight. I see a lot of marines that look terrible in uniform, but arent on the program because they have a huge neck.
Besides with all of the injuries people receive as a result of serving this great country there are a vast majority of medications that contribute to weight gain. I personally was on a medication for over two years and just found out that was the cause of my being out of standards.

[ecw16]

if you dont want light duty you dont have to take it, take what you need and then destroy your chit. I doubt your command is going to discourage you from wanting to pt.

[newyorker57]

i believe alot of these stricter rules are because if you look around the corps, you see alot of marines who just appear to have let themselves go. i really wish they would reconsider the old policy of marines with a first class pft being exempt. what i personally really cant stand is that week or two before weigh in when all the guys that havent worked out on their own time in months will come to the gym and overcrowd the sauna like a subway car. even though the policy may be viewed as strict, alot of marines aren't viewing the threat of being put on it as its true intention to motivate borderline marines to better themselves physically and curb their bad eating habits. i believe the true meaning of this order is to encourage marines with weight or pt problems to fix themselves or face the consequences, while most are just worried about dodging it until they have to worry about it next quarter. i can say personally always being a couple over couple under with a high pft and an almost perfect cft that it may be a pain in the ass thinking of the level of shape im in, but ima always unfuck myself before people have to do it for me