TS security clearance

[ag082325]

so i'm still just considering joining up but i'm interested languages and it seems CTI is the way to go if that's what i want to be doing. i took a look at the LONG form i'd have to fill out providing info. for getting security clearance and noticed that they as for a lot of names of people who know you.

i was wondering how necessary that part is. see, i was born and raised in nyc and i have moved pretty much at least once a year for the past eight years. i've can't say that i've ever made friends with my neighbors or that they even knew i existed so there really isn't anyone to ask for information about me. i do have 3 former roommates, whom i've lost contact with but i may be able to get their info. also if they wanted to interview my neighbors from when i was like 12, they could, since i lived in that neighborhood for 6 years.

my siblings, friends, and co-workers are all available for interviewing but my parents pose a problem. my father lives overseas and has all my life. my mother and i haven't seen or spoken to each other in eight and anyone who tried to interview her, even if i knew where she lived, would have to wade through tons of crazy rambling. so do they generally interview ur parents and how much does this part matter? will it hold me back from TS clearance?

p.s. if i can't get TS security clearance, are there any other jobs in the navy that are language heavy that have lower clearance?

Thanks for any answers, i realize these are pretty weird and specific questions.

[valley_0925]

You will definitely need to fill out the references section, as they really will be knocking on the doors of a good percentage of them. They basically want to make sure they can trust you. Make sure you don't lie about your past because there have been more than a few caes of conflicting stories about the simplest of things that come up in the convo. I went through the TS process and they had people taking my home town friends out for ice cream. As far as your parents just be honest. I haven't talked to my dad in years, no address/phone info, and they left it at that and as far as your mom just tell them you've moved on and you can't contact her. Just dig up someone from your past who can vouch that your honest.

tip: when you make it to boot camp they start the process, so if you "think of a few new people" once you get there you can score some extra phone calls for "contact info" purposes.

[jeffersj]

You will definitely need to fill out the references section, as they really will be knocking on the doors of a good percentage of them. They basically want to make sure they can trust you. Make sure you don't lie about your past because there have been more than a few caes of conflicting stories about the simplest of things that come up in the convo. I went through the TS process and they had people taking my home town friends out for ice cream. As far as your parents just be honest. I haven't talked to my dad in years, no address/phone info, and they left it at that and as far as your mom just tell them you've moved on and you can't contact her. Just dig up someone from your past who can vouch that your honest.

tip: when you make it to boot camp they start the process, so if you "think of a few new people" once you get there you can score some extra phone calls for "contact info" purposes.

Also, be aware they won't just talk to the folks you list.

Live in a subdivision? They won't just go to the next door neighbor, they may talk to the folks across the street, diagonally from you, etc.

Had a job? They may not just talk to the personnel department, they may talk to the folks on your shift.

I can say this with some experience having been interviewed by OPM investigators for persons I worked with and lived near that were being investigated/reinvestigated.

[Shep]

You will definitely need to fill out the references section, as they really will be knocking on the doors of a good percentage of them. They basically want to make sure they can trust you. Make sure you don't lie about your past because there have been more than a few caes of conflicting stories about the simplest of things that come up in the convo. I went through the TS process and they had people taking my home town friends out for ice cream. As far as your parents just be honest. I haven't talked to my dad in years, no address/phone info, and they left it at that and as far as your mom just tell them you've moved on and you can't contact her. Just dig up someone from your past who can vouch that your honest.

tip: when you make it to boot camp they start the process, so if you "think of a few new people" once you get there you can score some extra phone calls for "contact info" purposes.



I went through one of these myself. Just fill it out as best as you can. They'll take it and work with it and do what they need to do it

[TJMAC77SP]

All the above advice is spot on. Can't emphasis enough the total honesty angle. I have seen people lose a clearance (or not obtain one to begin with) because they lied (an omission is viewed as a lie) about a situation that more than likely would have been mitigated during the investigation if they had divulged it to begin with.

[forcedj]

Yeah, it’s important and mandatory alright. As soon as you decided to join, start working on getting all the contact info for all those people. It’s not always easy. As a CT, I held TS my entire 20 year career. Now retired (since Dec 2001), I’m a Navy contractor and still hold TS for my job. I just completed what must be my 6th or 7th Special Background Investigation (or PR – Periodic Reinvestigation). As alluded to in one of the previous posts…they don’t only talk to the references you put down, but they ask those references for names of people that know you (not necessarily people that ‘like’ you). If by chance you know anyone that currently holds a government security clearance, put them down as references. It streamlines the process a little bit.

FYI – SBIs will only go back as far as your 16th birthday.

“The scope of an SBI covers a period that extends back 15 years or begins at the 18th birthday,
whichever is the shorter period; however, at least the last 2 years are covered, with the exception
that no investigation is conducted before the person’s 16th birthday.” (Military Reqs manual for CPO)

What country does your father live in? That could present a problem depending on the country. That being said, during my career…when there was still a Soviet Union…the parents of another CT that I worked with at one duty station were raised in communist Poland. At the time her grandparents still lived there. But she got her TS.

Dan

[hensue]

had a security clearance in special ops it was pulled and i was put in the 101st, how do i try and get it back.
I was young 19 or 20 2boys married young. I tried bankruptcy after AIt because of a mobile home. had to leave for korea same day as court my xwife was granted the bankruptcy. When i came back put in special ops doing the same job as i do now. All came down at once my clearance was pulled due to not paying financial obligations and saying i would. The whole time my Grandmother who was a a Judge said the bankruptcy went thru. This all happened after i went to war in special ops. Then when came back they waited year and pulled clearance. More or less said i was lying and wife divorced me. I go to 101st.
Go back to war and do the same job. Have been in around 8 maybe 9 when i get out.
Met with two companies need security clearance have claimed bankruptcy in 06 bought a home and sold cleaned up all obligations kept credit clean. Have custody of two boys. Trying to get a good job for them when i get out. I have filled out some papers they say a kernel has to approve it? What can I do?
It seems wrong you have done this same job for 8 years in the army and never been arrested no felons nothing. just financiial.
Can I be helped and how

[CrustySMSgt]

so i'm still just considering joining up

Here's your first tip... When you get handed a form and told to fill it out, don't ask "Do I really have to do all this?"

The definition of TOP SECRET is: Containing information whose unauthorized disclosure would pose the gravest threat to national security. Seems like stuff that is pretty important... yes, they want to know everything about you and those you associate with. Give the appearance you are hiding something/someone, and they will dig deeper. Intentionally (to actually hide them, or just because you're too lazy to fill out the form) hide something and kiss your chances goodbye.



had a security clearance in special ops it was pulled and i was put in the 101st, how do i try and get it back.
I was young 19 or 20 2boys married young. I tried bankruptcy after AIt because of a mobile home. had to leave for korea same day as court my xwife was granted the bankruptcy. When i came back put in special ops doing the same job as i do now. All came down at once my clearance was pulled due to not paying financial obligations and saying i would. The whole time my Grandmother who was a a Judge said the bankruptcy went thru. This all happened after i went to war in special ops. Then when came back they waited year and pulled clearance. More or less said i was lying and wife divorced me. I go to 101st.
Go back to war and do the same job. Have been in around 8 maybe 9 when i get out.
Met with two companies need security clearance have claimed bankruptcy in 06 bought a home and sold cleaned up all obligations kept credit clean. Have custody of two boys. Trying to get a good job for them when i get out. I have filled out some papers they say a kernel has to approve it? What can I do?
It seems wrong you have done this same job for 8 years in the army and never been arrested no felons nothing. just financiial.
Can I be helped and how

"a kernel?!?" I smell a tag-team spamming coming!" :rolleyes:

[ringjamesa]

Here's your first tip... When you get handed a form and told to fill it out, don't ask "Do I really have to do all this?"



Ladies and Gentlemen, We have a WINNAH! Also, fill it out completely. Anything you leave off, you are going to have to fill out later. For parents, if you don't know where they are, you can put address unknown or the last known address. For people who knew you, cannot be relatives and cannot be someone you used in another part of the SF 86 (hint; use relatives for people that knew you for residences, schools, and unemployment). They don't have to have known you for the whole span of time required but a combination of the three has to cover the entire span (one firend for a long time and two new friends works just fine). For work history you can have NO gaps. If you can't remember something, call your former employer. MIDDLE NAMES!!! Did I mention MIDDLE NAMES?