Mil-Mil in Iraq

[AF_Slinky]

Hello everyone, I've been reading these boards for a little while and thought I'd get some opinions on a topic that only affects a small portion of the AF. The topic I'm looking for some discussion on is in regards to AF members (enlisted/officer) that are deployed to Iraq at the same time as their AF/or sister service spouse and not being allowed to reside in the same living quarters. I'm leaving other locations in the AOR off the table at the moment, but I feel the argument should extend elsewhere .

I'm not positive, but I think it was in the later part 2006 that the Multi-National Corps Iraq (MNCI) GO-1 was first amended to allow "that lawfully married spouses will be permitted to reside in the same living quarters together, provided adequate accommodations are available". For reference, the MNCI GO-1 is "applicable to all US military personnel, and civilians serving with, employed by, or accompanying the Armed Forces of the US, while assigned to the MNCI or while present in the MNCI AOR."

The AF is denying AF mil-mil couples from living together in theater if conditions permit. It is citing and enforcing the CENTAF GO-1B which prohibits, "visitation by persons to the sleeping quarters of a person of oposite gender except for official purposes or as approved by the Commander or Vice Commander of the 9th Aerospace Expeditionary Task Force, the AEW CC or AEG CC."

For reference the USCENTCOM GO-1B doesn't even touch on any of this and leaves it up to local policy.

So effectively, CENTAF is denying a privilege/right given to all other military members, contractors, DOD civilians in Iraq. And the only reasoning I've heard of is either A. it's a morale issue or B. we discussed the topic and didn't feel our airman should be given that right/privilege.

I thought we were the service that looked out for our people a bit better than other services? An Army E-8 that I know here thought it was interesting that the AF was backwards on this topic since typically his service is the one that makes/enforces rules that don't make sense.

According to the recent AF demographics that came out on 30 Sep 08:
- There are 19,287 couples in the Air Force with both spouses in the military
-- 1,395 of these are married to members of other military services
I'm sure of those numbers an even smaller are deployed concurrently to Iraq.

So I open the floor to all of you for some constructive discussion/opinions. And to shoot down discussion of "sex" being the morale issue. It should be noted that the only prohibition in any of the General Orders against sexual contact is contained within the MNCI GO-1 which states, " Sexual contact of any kind with Iraqi nationals, foreign nationals, or local nationals who are not members of coalition forces" is prohibited.

[Shrike]

I would have absolutely no issue with a deployed married couple being allowed to cohabitate.

[CrustySMSgt]

My wife & I deployed to Thumrait together after 9-11... wasn't an issue back then, cause obviously we were in tents.

We also spent 10 days at the 'Deid together... still in tents then too, so no shacking up. :(

I guess because we are a bit more mature, we were always very concious about PDA and "rubbing it in" that we were together. We've both seen too many couples, either pre-deployment or hooked up during, who are all over each other all the time... Just not right in that kind of environment.

At built up bases with appropriate facilitites, it shouldn't be an issue.

[AF_Slinky]

I completely agree on maintaining professionalism in public, whether it is forward or at home station. The four couples (Army/Civilian) that I've seen on our camp have all been "older" couples and echo your sentiments. I would venture that our "younger" couples are just as conscious of it as well.

Any thoughts on how to address the contrary GO's and help AF mil/mil stick together if appropriate facilities are available? I also questioned how a short tour to ''Deid would be treated if a mil/mil couple was stationed there for a year PCS and was told they wouldn't be allowed to stay together there or anywhere in AFCENTs control.

[CrustySMSgt]

I completely agree on maintaining professionalism in public, whether it is forward or at home station. The four couples (Army/Civilian) that I've seen on our camp have all been "older" couples and echo your sentiments. I would venture that our "younger" couples are just as conscious of it as well.

Any thoughts on how to address the contrary GO's and help AF mil/mil stick together if appropriate facilities are available? I also questioned how a short tour to ''Deid would be treated if a mil/mil couple was stationed there for a year PCS and was told they wouldn't be allowed to stay together there or anywhere in AFCENTs control.

Only way to address it is to use your chain of command, the 1st Sgt, and the Command Chief. Seems if the other sevices, and civilians haven't had a problem with it, then it ain't a big deal... but barring a change in policy, you're kinda stuck doing what you gotta do... lol

[smarg]

Why should a married couple be allowed to taunt others who aren't getting any poon in a war zone?? Then, why can't non-marrieds hook up in a special tent, too? Then, how about our alternative lifestyle folks....don't THEY have a right to bump uglies if it's consensual??

[CrustySMSgt]

Why should a married couple be allowed to taunt others who aren't getting any poon in a war zone?? Then, why can't non-marrieds hook up in a special tent, too? Then, how about our alternative lifestyle folks....don't THEY have a right to bump uglies if it's consensual??

Thanks for the reminder smarg; I forgot the only reason I got married was to get laid. :rolleyes:

[Mestisa]

Sorry, but I don't see why mil-mil need to bunk together in the AOR, whether it be rotational or 365 billets. I guess just be happy that you're there together? I'm mil-mil and my spouse is in another hemisphere.

[CrustySMSgt]

Sorry, but I don't see why mil-mil need to bunk together in the AOR, whether it be rotational or 365 billets. I guess just be happy that you're there together? I'm mil-mil and my spouse is in another hemisphere.

I don't think anyone has said they need to be. The basis of the post is that the policy is permissible in part of the theater, but negated by AFCENT GO1.

The position that it isn't fair, because your "flaunting it" and "rubbing it in everyone's faces" doesn't wash, because we've all seen the desert queens hooked up with guys all over the AOR, hanging all over each other. Most married couples are beyond all that and understand how lucky they are.

I've done my remote, and I've dealt with how slow join-spouse asignments are and spent a year at Travis while she was stuck at Fairchild, and we've both got over 1.5 years of separate TDY time in since 9-11, so we know all about not being together... but if we were deployed at an established base where hard billets would allow it, I don't see a problem with a married couple bunking together.

[CrimLaw]

My husband and I were deployed together @ Cp. Victory, and we were able to cohabitate. I have heard that the AF won't let married couples live together because they are afraid the female will end up pregnant. When I was over there, we had a lot of married couples living together, and the ones that got pregnant were the SINGLE soldiers. A married couple has it really well when they are deployed together in Iraq, and I promise you they are not going to mess it up by getting pregnant!

My husband and I never flaunted the fact that we were able to live together, and we never showed PDA in public. I know that having him out there with me helped me to get through the deployment. I think the military should make mil-mil couples able to deploy and live together (if they want to....some married couples preferred to live with a roommate because they couldn't handle their spouse in such tight living quarters).

[CrustySMSgt]

My husband and I were deployed together @ Cp. Victory, and we were able to cohabitate. I have heard that the AF won't let married couples live together because they are afraid the female will end up pregnant. When I was over there, we had a lot of married couples living together, and the ones that got pregnant were the SINGLE soldiers. A married couple has it really well when they are deployed together in Iraq, and I promise you they are not going to mess it up by getting pregnant!


Ain't that the truth!! Seen that more than a few times!

[CMSBROWN]

I do believe it has been given the latitude for the WIng or Group Commander to approve it.

[AF_Slinky]

I do believe it has been given the latitude for the WIng or Group Commander to approve it.

There is a provision in AFCENT GO-1B that allows the AEW, AEG, or AETF CC to approve a change to the "no visitation" policy. Unfortunately, when I questioned that provision by asking, "Why doesn't the AEW or AEG CC write an exemption?" The reply was (I can't recall the exact words, but) that the CC's won't approve it because the AFCENT CC doesn't approve it and they don't want to cross him.

In any case, I've brought it up with the shirt here, I've asked the CMSGT AF during his recent visit, who in turn passed the response to the AFCENT CCM, and the answers keep coming back that "No, the AF will not change their policy to match the MNFI policy or anywhere else in AFCENT."

There is another SNCO here working it up through his chain for some of his troops, but what else can we do to try and affect a change? We feel as though we are banging our heads against the T-walls and there isn't a crack in sight.

Thanks for all of the responses so far.

[MACHINE666]

Well this is where Senior NCOs can use their powers for good and convince the base commander at these locations to allow married couples the right to cohabitate if there are means to do so. The Air Force is so quick to separate families and say "Mission First" but they're still way behind the power curve when it comes to allowing people some AOR bennies for putting service before self...something that I've never been able to understand. Like someone pointed out before, the majority of pregnancies happen with single females not acting responsibly.

We're all adults. If people can't handle the fact that a husband and wife team are hooking up down-range then send them back to the Boy Scouts or the Girl Scouts and sell cookies. I'm really getting sick of the whole "Mother may I / Father knows best" blanket policies we enact at times. :(

[CMSBROWN]

I can see where the CC's are coming from....learning from our Army brethren....the army brigade that was station there at our base had 18 pregnancies during their deployment. Thus reducing mission end strength for them. Compounded by injuries from the war itself. It is hard enough for the AF to fill AEF buckets much less replace an airman who got pregnant in the AOR. The two married couples we had were cool with the arrangements....and didnt even ask to bunk together....maybe it was their way of a mini vacation. LOL!

[Capt Alfredo]

When I was in Iraq down on the FOB there was an interesting conundrum. The official 3ID policy allowed for married couples to live in the same CHU. However, the local BDE commander did NOT allow it. The couples were still allowed to "visit" if you know what I mean, but had to submit a memo! That's right, a nookie memo. Now this inconvenienced the roommate beyond belief. The roommate had to sign off on the memo saying it was ok. Now who wants to be the ass who doesn't allow their pal to get some? That had to be one of the stupidest policies I've ever seen in 18 years of military service. The nookie memo!

[BRUWIN]

I think if the wife is hot they shouldn't be allowed in theater. If the wife is not hot it should be ok.

[Fearsome]

Well this is where Senior NCOs can use their powers for good and convince the base commander at these locations to allow married couples the right to cohabitate if there are means to do so.

DAMNIT! I knew I shouldn't have thrown my "Make the General do what I want" magic wand away.


I'm really getting sick of the whole "Mother may I / Father knows best" blanket policies we enact at times.

Yeah, they're kinda' like blanket statements.


...the majority of pregnancies happen with single females not acting responsibly.

[Mestisa]

I think if the wife is hot they shouldn't be allowed in theater. If the wife is not hot it should be ok.

LMFAO! Hilarious!

[Shrike]

DAMNIT! I knew I shouldn't have thrown my "Make the General do what I want" magic wand away.


As you're a newcomer to these boards, allow me to clue you in to something - there's a small group of posters here who:
- Blame just about every failing in the USAF on SNCOs
- Think SNCOs have magical powers that enable them to convince officers that their policies are wrong, but if they can't do so, they are utter wastes
- Don't seem to have much knowledge of AFI36-2618, specifically that when a SNCO has done everything they can do under para 5.1.4, then they still must follow para 5.1.2.

Now, I'm a SNCO, so some may just think I'm defending "the brotherhood" or some such crap. But not true; I'm in an HQ organization, so I'm exposed to a handful of SNCOs doing some serious brownie-hounding every day. But I'm not going to crap on all SNCOs because of a few turds in the punchbowl, just as I wouldn't for NCOs, airmen, or officers. It's like when someone says "What's wrong with these young troops today?" I respond "There's nothing wrong with mine; perhaps the problem isn't your troops, but their boss."

So, to bring this to the topic at hand, if the SNCOs fought the good fight, and the commander still - for whatever reason - decided that mil-mil was a no-go, then the SNCOs must abide by that decision. But if the SNCOs did not fight the good fight, then bad on them.

[Kegler]

It's like when someone says "What's wrong with these young troops today?" I respond "There's nothing wrong with mine; perhaps the problem isn't your troops, but their boss."



YEAH SHRIKE...kinda like my answer. "Look in the mirror":D

[BRUWIN]

YEAH SHRIKE...kinda like my answer. "Look in the mirror":D

Wow...haven't heard nothing from you on this board in awhile. I thought maybe you were still trying to find that lost ball on the first hole of the Legislator.

[JandACleaves]

I have a question. My husband and I are both Army, but we live at Sather Air Force Base in Baghdad. We are trying to get permission to live in the same room as we both work here at BIAP, so it's not feasible for us to move out to Striker or Liberty. Is there any way to go about this? We are being told no, but are seriously considering taking this up the chain. It's not the Army that has the problem though, it's the Air Force...do we need to go talk to the CC here ourselves? We are told that the AF doesn't allow their dual-military couples to live together, but we are not AF, we are Army...

Please e-mail me at : jandacleaves@yahoo.com

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

SPC Athena Cleaves

[blacksheep1208]

Sweet, more people that are married and think they should be treated different. Isn't it enough that you probably got to move off base as an E-2? There is GO 1B, if you don't like it, sneak into their room. Like they say in NASCAR, it's not cheating until you get caught. What if two people that are dating deploy together, should they be allowed to live in the same CHU? And what if two people there fall in love, should they be able to live in the same CHU? And if you live on Sather, feel lucky that you don't have random people in your LSA and you get to eat off of real plates, use real silverware, and don't have to be armed 24/7. You could be living like the rest of the VBC.

[NFCstang]

I have a question. My husband and I are both Army, but we live at Sather Air Force Base in Baghdad. We are trying to get permission to live in the same room as we both work here at BIAP, so it's not feasible for us to move out to Striker or Liberty. Is there any way to go about this? We are being told no, but are seriously considering taking this up the chain. It's not the Army that has the problem though, it's the Air Force...do we need to go talk to the CC here ourselves? We are told that the AF doesn't allow their dual-military couples to live together, but we are not AF, we are Army...

Please e-mail me at : jandacleaves@yahoo.com

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

SPC Athena Cleaves


But you're on an AF base. Deal with it and move on.

[Northmass3]

How would command feel about a SrA and SMS being married, at the same base?

[alaskaresident]

Rank means nothing off base. My cousin is a Major his wife is a TSgt. She decided to join after he was already enlisted and on his way to OTS. He runs the show on base, she runs the show at home. It has never been an issue. They work different squadrons and have deployed at the same time together. They never once asked for special treatment and for the chance to live together just because they were married.

[bcoco14]

I have a question. My husband and I are both Army, but we live at Sather Air Force Base in Baghdad. We are trying to get permission to live in the same room as we both work here at BIAP, so it's not feasible for us to move out to Striker or Liberty. Is there any way to go about this? We are being told no, but are seriously considering taking this up the chain. It's not the Army that has the problem though, it's the Air Force...do we need to go talk to the CC here ourselves? We are told that the AF doesn't allow their dual-military couples to live together, but we are not AF, we are Army...

Please e-mail me at : jandacleaves@yahoo.com

Any help is appreciated. Thanks!

SPC Athena Cleaves

I was at a base that had a Navy Det. The Wing commander was an O-6 the Navy commander was a O-8. He ended up moving his working location for the fact that it was an AF base and the O-6 was the person in charge of all final desision there. So AF base = AF rules regardless of what branch you belong to.

[JandACleaves]

Actually, the MNC-I GO 1 states that legally married couples can have the same living areas while deployed. The USCENTAF states that there is no visiting the rooms of people of the opposite gender, and does not address the dual military couples at all. Also, the USCENTAF also states that it is for Air Force personnel and their contractors and civillians...not for any other branch of service, while the MNC-I is for all branches. So basically, the base we live on may use the USCENTAF, but they also fall under MNC-I...as does pretty much everyone else in Iraq. So, I think that if we point out that even the AF Command Policy states it is only for Air Force personnel, we might just be able to get somewhere. We're not asking for special treatment. What we're asking for is to be able to live together, which is in the command policy, and what every other dual-military couple that live on the same FOB together are allowed.

Now, I was never an E-2, and I have always been able to live off-base since I got out of Basic and AIT because I have two kids. As for the people dating and people who fall in love here, those can be temporary relationships. My husband and I have been married for a year. And, honestly, I would live in a tent in the middle of nowhere to be able to live with my husband. We even suggested putting up 4 poles and some tarps for 4 walls and a roof. After our PT test at the end of the month, we are seriously considering moving out to Striker because then hopefully we will not have to do PT with everyone else. I'd just like to know that we did everything we could here first.


Sweet, more people that are married and think they should be treated different. Isn't it enough that you probably got to move off base as an E-2? There is GO 1B, if you don't like it, sneak into their room. Like they say in NASCAR, it's not cheating until you get caught. What if two people that are dating deploy together, should they be allowed to live in the same CHU? And what if two people there fall in love, should they be able to live in the same CHU? And if you live on Sather, feel lucky that you don't have random people in your LSA and you get to eat off of real plates, use real silverware, and don't have to be armed 24/7. You could be living like the rest of the VBC.

[bcoco14]

[QUOTE=JandACleaves;287280]Actually, the MNC-I GO 1 states that legally married couples can have the same living areas while deployed. The USCENTAF states that there is no visiting the rooms of people of the opposite gender, and does not address the dual military couples at all. Also, the USCENTAF also states that it is for Air Force personnel and their contractors and civillians...not for any other branch of service, while the MNC-I is for all branches. So basically, the base we live on may use the USCENTAF, but they also fall under MNC-I...as does pretty much everyone else in Iraq. So, I think that if we point out that even the AF Command Policy states it is only for Air Force personnel, we might just be able to get somewhere. We're not asking for special treatment. What we're asking for is to be able to live together, which is in the command policy, and what every other dual-military couple that live on the same FOB together are allowed.


Just because I policy states one thing and the other doesn't address it doesn't mean anything. It is ultimately up to the base commander as what rules he want to put in place. If he wants to be more restrictive he can. The regs provide a minimum standard he has to enforce. More often than not they put policies in place that make it more restrictive.

[NFCstang]

Actually, the MNC-I GO 1 states that legally married couples can have the same living areas while deployed. The USCENTAF states that there is no visiting the rooms of people of the opposite gender, and does not address the dual military couples at all. Also, the USCENTAF also states that it is for Air Force personnel and their contractors and civillians...not for any other branch of service, while the MNC-I is for all branches. So basically, the base we live on may use the USCENTAF, but they also fall under MNC-I...as does pretty much everyone else in Iraq. So, I think that if we point out that even the AF Command Policy states it is only for Air Force personnel, we might just be able to get somewhere. We're not asking for special treatment. What we're asking for is to be able to live together, which is in the command policy, and what every other dual-military couple that live on the same FOB together are allowed.
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You won't. The Base commander (or the USAFCENT CC) has the ability to tighten the standard set by a higher HQ (here played by MNC-I).

Therefore, even though MNC-I says it's ok, USAFCENT can say it isn't and not allow it. It's their base and they can do whatever they want.

Same thing at Balad. Since the AF is the base commander, he could very well cut it for everyone on the base and no one could say anything.

Besides, I'm not sure that USAFCENT falls under MNC-I policy, I believe it to be CENTCOM.

[BRAVO10000]

Actually, the MNC-I GO 1 states that legally married couples can have the same living areas while deployed. The USCENTAF states that there is no visiting the rooms of people of the opposite gender, and does not address the dual military couples at all. Also, the USCENTAF also states that it is for Air Force personnel and their contractors and civillians...not for any other branch of service, while the MNC-I is for all branches. So basically, the base we live on may use the USCENTAF, but they also fall under MNC-I...as does pretty much everyone else in Iraq. So, I think that if we point out that even the AF Command Policy states it is only for Air Force personnel, we might just be able to get somewhere. We're not asking for special treatment. What we're asking for is to be able to live together, which is in the command policy, and what every other dual-military couple that live on the same FOB together are allowed.


Just because I policy states one thing and the other doesn't address it doesn't mean anything. It is ultimately up to the base commander as what rules he want to put in place. If he wants to be more restrictive he can. The regs provide a minimum standard he has to enforce. More often than not they put policies in place that make it more restrictive.

Food for thought - are either of you in a position of leading troops? If so - have you considered that co-habitating might harm your effectiveness downrange? Sure, you're married...but to a lot of guys, living with their significant other while deployed would be akin to getting deployed to the Bahamas and staying in a casino hotel. If you/she/he aren't "enduring the suck" right there with them, you might find yourself dealing with resentment.

I am not throwing stones, just giving you something to think about. I wonder if you wouldn't earn a lot of respect by abstaining when you don't "have" to under the rules, instead of looking for an exception. At LEAST you get to see each other every day! GO 1B is less about people hooking up and more about discipline and focus...I can't say I would personally mind a married couple cohabitating downrange but I would NOT want ot be in the room next door.

[BRUWIN]

Having a mil to mil couple living together in a war zone is not a good thing. Just one mortar round could leave your two children without parents. Sound farfetched? There is still enough violence going on in Iraq to warrant precaution.

[mfjdspence]

I don't know what is right in the big picture of things, but what I do know is that our coalition partners have very different rules than we do and do not seem to have nearly 1/2 as many problems. Perhaps it is because they empower their folks to act like adults. Perhaps it is because they are brought up differently. I would like to think that we are the best military in the world, but it sure isn't because of the rules.

[Bunch]

I agree with the poster that said that a decision to allowed married couple to live together could have unintended consequences.

Remember Tech School love? What about AOR love? or "lets just get married so we dont have to live in tents or quaters"? I mean it can seriously open another can of worms.

If you go deployed as mil to mil...I dont mind couples having some personal time to do whatever...but as far as living together it would not send a good message IMHO.

[Michaep]

REGARDLESS OF "THE RULES"

I seriously doubt your chain of command would even attempt to punish you for visiting your wife/husbands personal living area

i mean cmon, thats just an unwritten rule, youre F'ing married...nobody would do anything

[blacksheep1208]

REGARDLESS OF "THE RULES"

I seriously doubt your chain of command would even attempt to punish you for visiting your wife/husbands personal living area

i mean cmon, thats just an unwritten rule, youre F'ing married...nobody would do anything

General Order 1B is unwritten? That's funny, when we inprocessed in Kuwait before flying to Baghdad I'm pretty sure we had to read all the General Order 1 and 1B rules and sign a paper acknowleding that we read and understood them. Where do you get this stuff from?

[Shaken1976]

If given the choice I would not want to deploy to the same place as my husband. Not unless it was a cake place with no bombing like Guam. All it would take is for us to be walking somewhere together and like someone said a mortar attack happens and my kid is an orphan. Now being that AF needs come first and all that if they did deploy us to the same location while it might be nice to stay in the same tent I would not make an issue about it.

[bcoco14]

REGARDLESS OF "THE RULES"

I seriously doubt your chain of command would even attempt to punish you for visiting your wife/husbands personal living area

i mean cmon, thats just an unwritten rule, youre F'ing married...nobody would do anything

Not true at all. When I was in Balad a SSgt went into his wifes room and got caught. He was on a plane back home a week later and when we returned he was a SrA. She I believe ended up with a LOR UIF.

[AreGee]

That's messed up. Balad is a bad place to get rapped up in anything like that anyway... I was there with my now Fiance and we got questioned by leadership literally on a daily basis (The NCOIC called me into his office everyday to tell me other Airmen were getting upset seeing me walking around with my Fiance) just for WALKING around base with eachother. Nothing more. Our own Squads tried to set us up for something that never happened. I'm telling you, you've got to be real careful with what you do, where you do it, and who you do it in from... even if it's playing a video game at the MWR with 20 other people in the room.

Good grief!!

[Capt Alfredo]

That's messed up. Balad is a bad place to get rapped up in anything like that anyway... I was there with my now Fiance and we got questioned by leadership literally on a daily basis (The NCOIC called me into his office everyday to tell me other Airmen were getting upset seeing me walking around with my Fiance) just for WALKING around base with eachother. Nothing more. Our own Squads tried to set us up for something that never happened. I'm telling you, you've got to be real careful with what you do, where you do it, and who you do it in from... even if it's playing a video game at the MWR with 20 other people in the room.

Good grief!!

As a famous man once said, hate the game, not the player.

[Michaep]

General Order 1B is unwritten? That's funny, when we inprocessed in Kuwait before flying to Baghdad I'm pretty sure we had to read all the General Order 1 and 1B rules and sign a paper acknowleding that we read and understood them. Where do you get this stuff from?

perhaps you misunderstood...

Obviously General Order 1...etc....ARE written

I MEANT.....its an unwritten rule that you wouldnt get paperwork for seeing your WIFE

lol id lawyer up so fast and notify EVERY media outlet so fast their head would spin if they took away stripes and sent me back home.....ohh man.....id WANT them to do that just to see the sh*t storm

[bcoco14]

perhaps you misunderstood...

Obviously General Order 1...etc....ARE written

I MEANT.....its an unwritten rule that you wouldnt get paperwork for seeing your WIFE

lol id lawyer up so fast and notify EVERY media outlet so fast their head would spin if they took away stripes and sent me back home.....ohh man.....id WANT them to do that just to see the sh*t storm

LMAO your such an idiot. When does an unwritten rule ever override a written one. Yup listen to this guy and you'll be a civilian before you know it.

[blacksheep1208]

perhaps you misunderstood...

Obviously General Order 1...etc....ARE written

I MEANT.....its an unwritten rule that you wouldnt get paperwork for seeing your WIFE

lol id lawyer up so fast and notify EVERY media outlet so fast their head would spin if they took away stripes and sent me back home.....ohh man.....id WANT them to do that just to see the sh*t storm

That'd work, lawyer up to fight a rule you agreed to abide by. I can see that working. What's it like to be a goon? Can you just admit you were called out and lost?

[BRUWIN]

perhaps you misunderstood...

Obviously General Order 1...etc....ARE written

I MEANT.....its an unwritten rule that you wouldnt get paperwork for seeing your WIFE

lol id lawyer up so fast and notify EVERY media outlet so fast their head would spin if they took away stripes and sent me back home.....ohh man.....id WANT them to do that just to see the sh*t storm

You lawyer up there little buddy. LOL...guess I can see expect numerous national headlines of one douchebag Airman making his little stand while trying to pull a fast one by ignoring general orders.

[Michaep]

You lawyer up there little buddy. LOL...guess I can see expect numerous national headlines of one douchebag Airman making his little stand while trying to pull a fast one by ignoring general orders.

oh please, we all know you would never sit back and let yourself lose stripes for visiting your WIFE while deployed

Nobody would. General Order or not.

lol kinda like getting a ticket for jaywalking......really officer?? ......really? .....like seriously?