MCPON, departing: Campa to retire

[CommunityEditor]

The Navy’s top enlisted sailor announced he will step down by the end of the year.

Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (SW/FMF) Joe R. Campa Jr. said he will leave office Dec. 13 and retire April 1. The departure will make Campa, at two years and five months in office, the shortest-serving MCPON in the 41-year history of the job.

“I wanted to stay focused and leave in full stride — that’s what I am going to do,” Campa told Navy Times. “I didn’t want to stay too long — there’s a danger in a position like this that the longer you stay, the less connected you are with those on the deck plates where I’ve always been the most comfortable — I did not want that to happen to me.”

But the announcement doesn’t mean Campa’s work is done.

“This is not a farewell — not yet,” he said “I still have some time before retirement and there is still plenty to be done.”

His final weeks will be spent putting the final touches on a few initiatives he’d like to complete. He also wants to leave some ideas for the next MCPON, should his replacement choose to act on them

Campa’s departure after 29 years of service will be strictly business, much as his time in office has been.

“There will be no ceremony when I leave,” Campa said in an e-mail to his leadership mess Monday. “Just as I’ve turned over with reliefs in the past, it will be simple, and it will be short — a handshake in the office with the next MCPON will suffice.

“The memories I’ll take with me of this job will last a lifetime — you are to thank for that,” he said in the message. “We’ve accomplished a lot on behalf of our sailors and I’m confident you’ll continue to do so. I hope you realize the role you’ve played in every decision or recommendation to come out of this office.”

Campa said he will not have a hand in selecting his replacement — a process that is expected to begin now that Campa has signaled his exit. Any current command master chief is eligible to become MCPON.

“That decision will be totally up to [Chief of Naval Operations] Adm. [Gary] Roughead,” Campa said. “But once that person is named, I will do everything I can do to set that person up for success.”

In a personal message sent to all flag officers, Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Gary Roughead said that the “Navy owes MCPON Campa a great debt of gratitude for what he has accomplished on behalf of our sailors.”

Roughead said he was “deeply indebted” to Campa “for his leadership and extraordinary support for me in my first year as CNO.”

The message noted many of Campa’s accomplishments, but took special notice of the key theme of Campa’s tenure.

“Early in his tour, it was very clear that his intent was to re-set the chiefs’ mess and return its members to the role of deck-plate leaders,” Roughead said in the message. “[Campa] systematically, through numerous deliberate decisions, refocused our navy chiefs on what our navy needed and expected of them. As his tenure comes to a close, the term ‘deck-plate leadership’ has become the watchword of the Navy chief.”

Since the top enlisted position was created in 1967, only one other MCPON has served less than the three years normally allotted for the job: William Plackett, who served two years and 11 months, from October 1985 through September 1988.

Of the 11 MCPONs to date, six have served at least four years in office. One of them, John Hagan, the eighth MCPON, served the longest at five years and seven months. Three others served between three and four years.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/11/navy_mcponretiring_110308w/


How successful has Campa been as MCPON? What do you think of his initiatives, including the overhaul of chiefs' evals? And what would you like to see the next MCPON do?

[OleChief]

Joe, you will be missed. I just hope the CNO does not follow you up with a yes man.
See you on the other side.
Ole Chief

[Unregistered]

Now the question: why retire before the end of the four-year term? And why not offer his Sailors a chance to say goodbye in a retirement ceremony, and a chance to hail the new MCPON? It's all well and good to be humble and pass the cutlass in an office setting, but for a position as important as the MCPON, a public, dignified ceremony honoring the traditions of the service and those who have come before and who will follow is the best way to celebrate the transfer of those who wear the three stars.

[CUSEFAN21]

Why the sudden retirement at 29 years instead of sticking it out for 30 years is the big question? Sounds like he's burnt out. That job sure will do it. Not wanting a ceremony is up to him he's not the dog and pony show type he came in the navy with little fanfare and wants to go out the same way he came in that's very commendable. He's taken great strides to better the enlisted side of the navy in many aspects( new uniforms, pay raises, better food, better living conditions) except fight to keep many retained in the service and fix the overly flawed Eval system where to many of the YES people that really don;t work hard but always seem to be in the right place at the right time to get noticed while many others are carrying the load behind the scenes. It seems odd how the military works they would rather pay 1 Admiral big bucks to play politico instead of bring in 5 E-5 for the same amount of pay to do the backbone work of the Navy. I just hope his replacement has the guts he has and works to keep it going for the better steering the Navy into a newer larger and better equipped fighting force retaining members worthy to stay in even with set retirement limits to many are lost after 20 years and many newer sailors just don't live up to the expectation under the contract which they sign keep the ones in who work hard even if it means leaving them in longer than the retirement limits. Just doesn't seem fair how many officers can do over 30+ while an E-6 has to retire at 20 to me that's not cost effective

[Unregistered]

Why don't you as Navy Times find out the real reason the highest ranking enlisted member of the U.S. Navy is leaving in six weeks. Why was he fired? You just don't leave any command in such short notice unless you failed. He has obviously failed at something. Tell us the truth!

[Unregistered]

Why don't you as Navy Times find out the real reason the highest ranking enlisted member of the U.S. Navy is leaving in six weeks. Why was he fired? You just don't leave any command in such short notice unless you failed. He has obviously failed at something. Tell us the truth!

Sounds to me like he refuses to be a yes man for Adm Roughead, so the CNO has directed him (not asked) to retire.

[Unregistered]

The question should be, what has he done to cause him to change his mind and not finish his tour. Why was he not involved in choosing his relief. Sounds to me like he has run into a wall with senior leadership. Too many needless changes of late. We are heading for a resession and all our leadership is concerned with is new PT gear and all new uniforms Navy wide. Think 25% military spending cut........if the election pans out as perdicted then expect 25% less money to waste next year. Joe fair winds and following seas, you are leaving before the Navy finally hits rock bottom.

[Unregistered]

Mr. Campa
You will be truly missed by one individual that has admired you tremendously.
You sir listen when no one else would. You gave hope and support when no one else would.
It has been a hard road. I do not know how he would have moved on with out your ability to listen and to give support!
Good Luck and Best wishes with your retirement you will be truly missed!

[Unregistered]

Sounds to me like he refuses to be a yes man for Adm Roughead, so the CNO has directed him (not asked) to retire.

If this is true! It would not surprise me. Admiral Roughead is a bully with who shows no respect to any enlisted sailor. He has on several occasions bowed down to feminist and minorities groups.
Admiral Roughead has put these two groups first. Which has in returned cost many good sailors their careers. I would not be surprised if the next MCPON is a Black or Hispanic female. Not because they are qualified, but because he is being pushed from these to groups to make change. I have no problem with the right person being in this position. With that said. I highly doubt that will be the case.
MCPON Campa needs to stay his term and finish the great job he is doing for the enlisted sailors!

[Unregistered]

Congratulations are due for the decision to shorten the MCPON Campa era. I believe that the Navy leadership came to its senses and ended the "dumbing-down" of the enlisted community before it was too late to recover from the damage that was done by the decision of MCPON Campa to no longer require education for the enlisted community, especially the Chief's community. I for one was excited about MCPON Scott's forward thinking and realization that, if the enlisted community was to ever really have credibility, it was going to have to become educated - just as the rest of the United States business and governmental communities required of their "middle management". MCPON Scott's clearly articulated desire that the Navy enlisted personnel retiring after 20, 22, 26, or 30 years be competitive on the outside if they needed a second career showed that he understood the need for further education to be successfulon "the outside". MCPON Scott was head and shoulders above MCPON Campa when it came to thinking about the best interests of the enlisted community, both while serving and after having served honorably. The 5VM and the initiative to educate the enlisted community was eagerly greeted by many of the junior enlisted personnel; who once MCPON Campa bowed to the pressure brought on by the old "we don't need no education" Chief's community, decided that the best course of action for their career was to obtain their degree from TA and the GI Bill and then leave the Navy to seek a career where their initiative and education would be appreciated. The Navy has lost a great many of highly motivated personnel the last couiple years because MCPON Campa's decisions clearly demonstrated to them that the Navy senior enlisted ranks had no desire to better themselves and raise the quality of the members of their community.

[Unregistered]

Good Riddance! MCPO Campa has demonstrated he is nothing better than a bully - and not a very good one at that. His so-called deckplate initiatives demonstrated why he was not a "sailor"; He tried his hand at making decisions that were not his to make and failed miserably. Instead of bolstering the Chief's Mess, he has systematingly destroyed it. Prior to my retirement the Chief's Mess had finally received the recognition that was it's due; but then along came Campa. MCPO Campo should not be allowed any input into the selection of the next MCPON, if, there is to be one. I suggest a swift kick to the seat of the pants on his way out would not be unduly harsh. After all, that's all he's earned.

[Unregistered]

Good Riddance! MCPO Campa has demonstrated he is nothing better than a bully - and not a very good one at that. His so-called deckplate initiatives demonstrated why he was not a "sailor"; He tried his hand at making decisions that were not his to make and failed miserably. Instead of bolstering the Chief's Mess, he has systematingly destroyed it. Prior to my retirement the Chief's Mess had finally received the recognition that was it's due; but then along came Campa. MCPO Campo should not be allowed any input into the selection of the next MCPON, if, there is to be one. I suggest a swift kick to the seat of the pants on his way out would not be unduly harsh. After all, that's all he's earned.

Here, here brother. I totally agree.

[Unregistered]

Now the question: why retire before the end of the four-year term? And why not offer his Sailors a chance to say goodbye in a retirement ceremony, and a chance to hail the new MCPON? It's all well and good to be humble and pass the cutlass in an office setting, but for a position as important as the MCPON, a public, dignified ceremony honoring the traditions of the service and those who have come before and who will follow is the best way to celebrate the transfer of those who wear the three stars.

Sounds to me like he is ashamed of something! Why else would he not want to have a ceremony, help select the Navy's new top enlisted and start his terminal leave one month from the date he announces his retirement. An effective leader would ensure all loose ends are wrapped up before bidding fair well. Poor example Joe, our Sailors will again see the mess is truly out for itself not the Sailors. Good job...

[Unregistered]

Congratulations are due for the decision to shorten the MCPON Campa era. I for one was excited about MCPON Scott's forward thinking and realization that, if the enlisted community was to ever really have credibility, it was going to have to become educated - just as the rest of the United States business and governmental communities required of their "middle management". MCPON Scott's . The Navy has lost a great many of highly motivated personnel the last couiple years because MCPON Campa's decisions clearly demonstrated to them that the Navy senior enlisted ranks had no desire to better themselves and raise the quality of the members of their community.


Most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I have one word for you..INITIATIVE. Sailors will be educated if they wanted to. Initiative is what separates the best from the rest. I completed both my bachelors and MBA because I wanted to and not for the reasons that it is a mandatory requirement for my advancement into the next paygrade. MCPON Campa BZ on you! You will be missed.

Deckplate CPO

[Unregistered]

I wholeheartedly agree. MCPON Campa did a lot of damage, and caused a lot of regression from the forward-thinking posture of MCPON Scott. His "decision" to retire is the best decision of his tenure as MCPON.

[Unregistered]

Say it ani't so Joe

I myself have been in this Navy 29 years and can't fathom the idea of bowing out before 30. Joe, you don't expect us to believe that you all of sudden decided to retire with no ceremony and you're not going to have a hand in selecting your replacement. The Mess have been around to long to know something stink. Please don't let it come out later after you have faded into the civilian world that you did something to discredit the Mess and did't have the courage to face us.

[OleChief]

Clueless and cowardly to post as if you are several, when in fact UNREGISTERED is one in the same. MCPON Campa served with dignity and honesty. The whole education puzzle was not something you shove down peoples throats. I have attended over 4 years of Navy schools most of them are not accredited. Does that make me dumber than the next guy? The Navy has more Admirals than ships and 1 Officer for every six enlisted. If the enlisted went away tomorrow, do you think there is a ship out there that could get underway? I don’t know where we are going but forcing enlisted to go to College while someone else takes up the slack is not the right road!

[Unregistered]

If this is true! It would not surprise me. Admiral Roughead is a bully with who shows no respect to any enlisted sailor. He has on several occasions bowed down to feminist and minorities groups.
Admiral Roughead has put these two groups first. Which has in returned cost many good sailors their careers. I would not be surprised if the next MCPON is a Black or Hispanic female. Not because they are qualified, but because he is being pushed from these to groups to make change. I have no problem with the right person being in this position. With that said. I highly doubt that will be the case.
MCPON Campa needs to stay his term and finish the great job he is doing for the enlisted sailors!

Maybe there won't be a replacement. Mullen did away with the senior enlisted advisor at JCS. Maybe Roughead plans on doing the same for the Navy.

[SAM2DAY]

Wow, nice heated conversation. But lets all play fair, as everyone is entitled to their opinions. I have to agree with each post that something is amiss. MCPON has served honorably but why "quit so sudden". Finish the plans you have started. Navy times should get to the "real" reason he is leaving early. Like most of the posters I have my own opinion of why he is leaving but CPO 101 tells me that I ask the man himself and let him tell the crew. We can all speculate but I will just drop Joe a email and ask him for a penny for his thoughts. Good luck to all.

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[Boats/88]

Clueless and cowardly to post as if you are several, when in fact UNREGISTERED is one in the same. MCPON Campa served with dignity and honesty. The whole education puzzle was not something you shove down peoples throats. I have attended over 4 years of Navy schools most of them are not accredited. Does that make me dumber than the next guy? The Navy has more Admirals than ships and 1 Officer for every six enlisted. If the enlisted went away tomorrow, do you think there is a ship out there that could get underway? I don’t know where we are going but forcing enlisted to go to College while someone else takes up the slack is not the right road!

Hey! Strong words from someone who is hiding behind a screen name . Did I miss something?
I guess I must be blind for I am having a hard time reading your real name.
If you want the honest truth! Education is not what our Chief's need into todays Navy. Chief's today need to have experience on the job. They need to have hard worth ethics and show they can take over the command of a ship if need be. Not the case with most young sailors today. Most want to read books and party!
I can bet anyone of today's Chief's could not get a ship underway with their own leadership.
Give me a old salt with no education and all the hands on experience they can muster. For they are the
true Chief's the one's that can do the job manually without reading instructions first!

[IT1]

To all of those who have posted a negative comment about MCPON Joe Campa you should be ashamed. I'm a First Class Petty Officer busting my rear to make Chief so that I can continue to find ways to take care of sailors and make a difference. All you guys are on here Chief bashing and talking bad about MCPON Campa but in your career did you take the top job and the challenges that come with it. This man has made a difference and it was more than what MCPON Terry Scott did. The Chiefs Mess to me has gotten better and the Chiefs are back in control. The Officers drive the ship but the Chiefs RUN the ship. If you don't understand that then your an idiot. If the Chiefs Mess is about what I see here I'd rather be an LDO at least you kow there true colors from the start . Where is the brother hood and the fraternity of being a Chief shown; I am so ashamed of my so called Senior Enlisted Leadership. MCPON Campa Thank You for your service of 29yrs, we can't win all the political battles behind closed doors but you fought and won some of those battles. ADM. Roughead is nothing like ADM. Mullen. For you crummy Chiefs that are posting these negative comments stop posting UNREGISTERED use your name.

IT1

[jeffersj]

There may be something else going on. But then, it may be something personal and we should respect his privacy.

As to not having a retirement ceremony, his call. I hope he changes his mind, though, as I have never met anyone that regretted having the ceremony, but a lot that regretted not having the ceremony.

Fair winds and following seas, Joe, and thanks.

[Boot CPO]

To all of those who have posted a negative comment about MCPON Joe Campa you should be ashamed. I'm a First Class Petty Officer busting my rear to make Chief so that I can continue to find ways to take care of sailors and make a difference. All you guys are on here Chief bashing and talking bad about MCPON Campa but in your career did you take the top job and the challenges that come with it. This man has made a difference and it was more than what MCPON Terry Scott did. The Chiefs Mess to me has gotten better and the Chiefs are back in control. The Officers drive the ship but the Chiefs RUN the ship. If you don't understand that then your an idiot. If the Chiefs Mess is about what I see here I'd rather be an LDO at least you kow there true colors from the start . Where is the brother hood and the fraternity of being a Chief shown; I am so ashamed of my so called Senior Enlisted Leadership. MCPON Campa Thank You for your service of 29yrs, we can't win all the political battles behind closed doors but you fought and won some of those battles. ADM. Roughead is nothing like ADM. Mullen. For you crummy Chiefs that are posting these negative comments stop posting UNREGISTERED use your name.

IT1


VERY well said IT1. Going though induction it was stressed that us Chiefs do NOT air our own dirty laundry outside the Mess.

I for one think that MCPON Campa as done a DAMN FINE JOB! To each his own, but please brothers and sisters, let's talk about this forum elsewhere!

Boot Chief

[Unregistered]

This is a Sailor issue and part of the recent trend to walk away from our traditions. Over a century ago enlisted were finally recognized for their service by having a command sponsored retirement ceremony. The retirement ceremony is about our families, shipmates and command to recognize the Sailors service. Regardless of the reason we need to continue this proud tradition and not walk away from it. It sets the wrong message.

[Unregistered]

As A Third class starting off from E-1 Seamn Recruit I have seen many chiefs, and had many of them as leaders; but all failed. It's no wonder they are sometimes referred to as the kahki mafia. In my 5 years of service (granted it may not be as long as others here in this forum) all I have seen chiefs do is take care of themselves and eachother - not the junior sailor. Unless it involves them in an adverse manner you sometimes don't even see your chief. Then when you do something to credit your department they show up out of nowhere to boast in front of the master chief and commanding officer. MCPON Campa was an inspiration for the junior sailors. He beleived in taking care of the junior sailors, that chiefs should lead from the front, and not from behind the desk through e-mail. MCPON Campa brought change and not too many chiefs liked that. It is very unfortunate to see the way the navy is going. There are many great sailors...not good sailors, but great sailors seperating because they are tired of all of this. MCPON Campa there are a lot of sailors I know that appreciate what you did, you will be greatly missed.

[Unregistered]

I for one tried to read every public statement on leadership from MCPON Campa...one of the most inspirational leaders I have seen in or out of the Navy. I always learned something from him or he made me think of leadership issues in other ways than I had before. This emphasis on deckplate leadership will be missed.

Very strong statements on the value of education. I never heard MCPON Campa downplay education. He only made sure that getting "all the tickets punched...including education" and not displaying good deckplate leadership was not going to be the path to success. Who can argue with that. The sailors that you lead couldn't care less about your education, only how much you truly support and develop them to take your place one day. MCPON Campa was an inspiration and will be sorely missed.

[Unregistered]

MCPON Campa's tenure is filled with wonderful speeches, colorful posters, and professionally designed documents.... A critical part of moving a vision into reality. He wanted to reset the CPO Mess and He wanted to get leadership focused on leading instead of oneself - but - he failed.

EVERY measured aspects of personal behavior of our force has seen a significant decrease over his two years in office. From Domestic violence to standards and conduct, drug use, alcohol incidents, safety, etc, they have all declined.

Any CMC assigned too a command that had similar drops in crew performance would be called to the carpet. Any leader who was aware of the reduction in performance or bahavior of those they lead must be able to stand up and question themselves. As the Senior Enlisted Leader of all our force, he should have to answer the question too many were too afraid to ask: "Why have your vision and leadership not lead to a better Navy, a safer Navy, and a better lead Navy?".

His Fleet Master Chiefs and Forces Master Chiefs have seen a dramatic reduction in communications from his office over the past 3 months. To many, he became "untouchable" and did loose his touch with other leadership and Sailors.

It is my humble opinion that MCPON Campa talked a great talk, but failed to do the walk.

Like the voters have been saying during the presidential ellectiont is time for change here at the MCPON's officer too.

[Grunt_CPO]

Wow! What hatred coming from those who disagree with the direction the MCPON has set us on. Let's break this down here. Some are upset because MCPON didn't make education MANDATORY for selection to CPO. The last I saw was that it was called VOLUNTARY education. If the Navy really wanted us to be educated like the officers, they would develop an actual Navy College in order for PO1s to attend.

The MCPON wanted all Chiefs to be out on the deckplates with our Sailors talking, mentoring and guiding them rather than sitting behind the desk. Is this contrary to the old Chiefs way of doing things. You know, never leaving the Chief's mess? I remember my first Chief. I saw him maybe two times per week. He sure never gave us any guidance. It's sad to have to learn the ways of the Navy from a couple of E-4s because the Chief stayed at home most of the time.

Or maybe the anger comes into play because we can no longer pass the buck on to the officers to run things. As a Chief, I am responsible for making things run in my Department, not the officer. The officer gives orders, but it is up to me to get my crew to accomplish it. I have seen too many Chiefs sit back and let the officers tell the junior Sailors how to get things done. It's easy to just sit back and let someone else be the bad guy.

Whatever the reasons for MCPON Campa retiring, those are his own reasons. He stated that he wasn't going to have an elaborate retirement ceremony. I don't think that doesn't equate into not having a Chage of Office ceremony for the new MCPON.

One of the previous posters stated that any CMC would be called to the carpet for declining crew performance. Let me put that back on each Chief out there. The MCPON is successful when we are successful. If these numbers show a decline in performance, it is OUR responsibility. If this is the case then WE have failed both our MCPON AND our junior Sailors. Never point the finger at someone else when it should be pointing back at ourselves.

[Unregistered]

Top MCPON.....I hate to see him go.

[CUCM]

Joe,

You have done a great job as the MCPON. Your leadership in our Mess was desperately needed and you have made both our Mess, and our Navy, a better place. Fair winds and following seas - Shipmate!

Alll the best.

[Unregistered]

Last time I saw someone wooshed out like this was a CHENG I worked for. Found out after his retirement that he'd had a heart attack and was basically told, "You need to get out." Hopefully Campa is healthy. But, with the rigors of being a MCPON, it's not to much of a leap in logic to think he may have developed some kind of health problem.

[Unregistered]

There is probably a lot more than any of us will ever know, concerning MCPON Campa's decision to retire.

I won't bulkhead (meaning to badmouth) any of MCPON Campa's predecessors, so no names will be mentioned, but I remember one, who seemed to make up for his lack of backbone with an ability to talk out of both sides of his mouth. (Yes, he was a real politician.)

Years later, after retiring from active duty, I had the pleasure of knowing a boatswain's mate who personally knew that same MCPON (the politician) and remembered him as the sort of CM/C who took care of his Sailors. The sort of caring included inviting them to his home for dinner, making sure that those who were on leave weren't left stranded at the bus station, etcetera.

I suppose that some CNO's, especially the expert politicians, can put on a cheerful friendly front when in public view, but turn into real brutal sundowners behind the scenes.

One of the past CNO's of the past, allegedly held enlisted men in such disdain that he would have very little to do with one of the early MCPON's.

From what I've seen, over the past 10 years, the Navy has implemented some bad changes (especially the merger mania that is disrupting the enlisted community). With the political correctness being imposed on our military, It seems that MCPON Campa has done what he could to keep the enlisted personnel of our Navy cruising above the stormy seas.

Master Chief Campa, we retired Sailors not only salute you, but welcome you to our ranks.

[HMC(SWFMF) Retired]

I can surely understand wanting to leave and persue the (Civilian Sector). But, excuse me no ceremony? No Retirement Ceremony? No passing the flag from the deck plate sailors E-1 through E-9. I was very proud the day I retired after 21 years of dedicated service to our Nation and to the Navy and to have friends there to see my transition was humbling for me. It is also Tradition! Traditions are what make the Navy! Having a Retirement Ceremony is a Tradition! The highest enlisted in the Navy is not having a traditional retirement ceremony - uncalled for in my opinion.

Shipmate Campa ~ You should reconsider and have a ceremony and change of office ceremony, where your friends and SHIPMATES can take part in such a glorious day

/s

[Kane Jr]

IT1, you have some very strong points here, however, remember that before you judge someone - have the "Balls" to post more than just your rate. Those of us in the Chief's Mess know what has happen here. In addition, most of us know what it is to be a Chief - only the really ones have made it to this level. Therefore, what is your reason why you are still a "First Class,” maybe you should be an "LDO" and if you have a really "Chief" he will get you in line, but if you have a "yes" Chief you will continue to have this attitude. We in the mess understands what has happen here - we have earned the right to speak our minds - if we want to use our names we can, if not, then so be it.
I would agree with you that MCPON Campa has done so good and so bad, but be truthful with those of us that have stood behind "HIM" during his tenure.
Now, for whatever reason MCPON Campa has decided to forgo his remainder of his tour – that is his choice, but I would ask him to be honest with the “Mess” if he does not be honest with anyone else – we deserve that.


To all of those who have posted a negative comment about MCPON Joe Campa you should be ashamed. I'm a First Class Petty Officer busting my rear to make Chief so that I can continue to find ways to take care of sailors and make a difference. All you guys are on here Chief bashing and talking bad about MCPON Campa but in your career did you take the top job and the challenges that come with it. This man has made a difference and it was more than what MCPON Terry Scott did. The Chiefs Mess to me has gotten better and the Chiefs are back in control. The Officers drive the ship but the Chiefs RUN the ship. If you don't understand that then your an idiot. If the Chiefs Mess is about what I see here I'd rather be an LDO at least you kow there true colors from the start . Where is the brother hood and the fraternity of being a Chief shown; I am so ashamed of my so called Senior Enlisted Leadership. MCPON Campa Thank You for your service of 29yrs, we can't win all the political battles behind closed doors but you fought and won some of those battles. ADM. Roughead is nothing like ADM. Mullen. For you crummy Chiefs that are posting these negative comments stop posting UNREGISTERED use your name.

IT1

[Unregistered]

Not Roughead's fault. Campa is quitting. oh...I think Campa is not your mk1 Mod 0 White guy.

[Unregistered]

I think Joe might have a job on Obama's staff....That is why he is retiring!

As far as his work as MCPON! It was A1!

[CrustySMSgt]

[QUOTE=Boats/88;151381] They need to have hard worth ethics and show they can take over the command of a ship if need be. [/quoteE]

Kellie (or maybe Jeff?)

I know I'm just a dumb AF guy... but I'm pretty sure the Navy is no different, as long as there in an "O" alive, an "E" will never COMMAND anything. Chiefs may "run" the ship, but that doesn't give them command authority.

Interesting span of opinons... seems like he was either loved or hated.

[Boats/88]

[QUOTE=Boats/88;151381] They need to have hard worth ethics and show they can take over the command of a ship if need be. [/quoteE]

Kellie (or maybe Jeff?)

I know I'm just a dumb AF guy... but I'm pretty sure the Navy is no different, as long as there in an "O" alive, an "E" will never COMMAND anything. Chiefs may "run" the ship, but that doesn't give them command authority.

Interesting span of opinons... seems like he was either loved or hated.


The USS Cole and USS Stark are good examples of ships that have had to rely on the ships enlisted to make sure the ship can get underway. It is the enlisted crew that makes the ship move.
In both of these situations. It was the crew that made the ship! It was the training and hard work that made the crews of these ships and many others operate.
Many times during the world war II. Ships where wiped out by attacks and it was the crew that pulled that ship togehter. It is the knowledge, wisdom and lots of years of experience of men who made Chief that pulled these ships together. WIth out a ships crew and crew members with experience and knowledge of that ship. The ship would just be a toy in the on the water. Its hard to give authority to a floating piece of steel!

[CrustySMSgt]

[QUOTE=CrustySMSgt;153297]


The USS Cole and USS Stark are good examples of ships that have had to rely on the ships enlisted to make sure the ship can get underway. It is the enlisted crew that makes the ship move.
In both of these situations. It was the crew that made the ship! It was the training and hard work that made the crews of these ships and many others operate.
Many times during the world war II. Ships where wiped out by attacks and it was the crew that pulled that ship togehter. It is the knowledge, wisdom and lots of years of experience of men who made Chief that pulled these ships together. WIth out a ships crew and crew members with experience and knowledge of that ship. The ship would just be a toy in the on the water. Its hard to give authority to a floating piece of steel!


I don't disagree with any of that... but it still doesn't put a Chief in a position of COMMAND.

[Boats/88]

[QUOTE=Boats/88;153316]


I don't disagree with any of that... but it still doesn't put a Chief in a position of COMMAND.

Well if thats the case! Then everyone can stop being qualified for surface warfare! Because as long as we have O' we won't need to know operate the ship in a emergency! Because if all the Officers happen to be wiped out. The Navy could have a NEW O just swim in.
Do they teach Officer's how to swim at the Navy Academy?

[CrustySMSgt]

[QUOTE=CrustySMSgt;153319]

Well if thats the case! Then everyone can stop being qualified for surface warfare! Because as long as we have O' we won't need to know operate the ship in a emergency! Because if all the Officers happen to be wiped out. The Navy could have a NEW O just swim in.
Do they teach Officer's how to swim at the Navy Academy?

lol... I give up

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE=Boats/88;153322]

lol... I give up

I agree. However, we try with the ESWS program to get everyone attuned with the ships's capabilties. Does that mean the ability to command? Well, not really. However it does mean that the Sailor knows the ship's capabilites and if the blank really hit the fan, they could feasibly (with help) get the ship to safety. Thus, the importance of the program and how much it's stessed. I mean, really. What other time are you going to care about the load on the diesels? Unless hotel services go out.

[Unregistered]

I would like to think that MCPON Campa knows what he is doing, though leaving early does bring up some interesting questions. The only reason I ever left a tour early was to get a better job doing something I wanted to do, or to get out of a bad situation. I'm not sure if it's because of what we are going through, (the economy), he has a better offer, or whether he has just had enough. Part of it may be based on, what I believe, to be an ever growing problem within our enlisted ranks. I have believed for many years that there is a ever-widening disconnect between our khaki leadership, and our blue-shirts. Many of those years; most spent as LPO/supervisor/instructor of one flavor or another, have been spent being the go-between for junior enlisted to khaki. It seems as though, people see ANY Chief, as an officer. Same uniform, same look, same same. Un-approachable, micro-managing, intrusive leaders. For me, it's not a big deal. I have gained the respect of the Chief's ranks from my command. But I am probably an exception to the rule. Not to call anybody old, (I am one of those Old guys!) we are still trying to run the Navy based upon old school rules! People do not react the same way we did as little as 5 years ago. Become an instructor, you'll see what I'm talking about! I think it's time to re-think our strategy, purpose, and path to success. I wish MCPON Campa all the best in his future endeavors!

Thanks for your time!

Respectfully,

a concerned retiree

[concerned Master Chief]

MCPON Campa is the best MCPON I've seen in my 28 years. He is active from the deckplate to top leadership. I am concerned that he dpoesn't at least have a voice in the screening process of the next MCPON. I will not be applying because it seems as if the replacement is know already. The CNO could have already selected "his" guy once he was selected. If so that is indeed is bad for the Navy. Too many times people get hungry for power and only want those with the same vision (yes man).

We needed the changes that MCPON Campa brought and extending the leadership panel was the right call. The new guy may just go back to the "old boy" position and exclude the rest of the fleet, taking us back to the days where a small group of 10 ran the enlisted side of the Navy.

It's good to be retiring in the next couple of years, and I fear for those still in if indeed, FLTCM West is selected.

[Boats/88]

MCPON Campa is the best MCPON I've seen in my 28 years. He is active from the deckplate to top leadership. I am concerned that he dpoesn't at least have a voice in the screening process of the next MCPON. I will not be applying because it seems as if the replacement is know already. The CNO could have already selected "his" guy once he was selected. If so that is indeed is bad for the Navy. Too many times people get hungry for power and only want those with the same vision (yes man).

We needed the changes that MCPON Campa brought and extending the leadership panel was the right call. The new guy may just go back to the "old boy" position and exclude the rest of the fleet, taking us back to the days where a small group of 10 ran the enlisted side of the Navy.

It's good to be retiring in the next couple of years, and I fear for those still in if indeed, FLTCM West is selected.

I totally agree! I have no doubt that FLTCM is selected. ADM Roughead has totally lost my respect for many reasons. He hides behind the truth because he is a coward! The MCPON will have to be a yes man to ADM Roughead. ADM Roughead talks about diversity like he is going to make all these great changes! He only talks about it because it makes him look good not because their needs to be change!
ADM Roughead made some choices that have made him look bad and does not want them to get out to the public. Like I said he is a coward to stand up for what is right because he is afraid of certain groups that will ruin his career. He could really care less about the sailors it is all about how good he looks!
Master Chief I am also glad for you that you are retiring.
The Navy is destroying itself with its own bad leadership. MCPON Campa was good for the enlisted because he stood up for them. When he is gone the young sailor's will soon realize what they have lost!
God Bless MCPON Campa

[Unregistered]

I think it has a great deal to do with the new administration coming in; however, what burns me up is the new Chief Eval takes affect and he won't be there to oversee it for the 1st go around.

I believe you will see a lot of senior guys retiring becuase of November 4th. How can you follow a Commander in Chief who doesn't believe in what we do.

Tom

[Unregistered]

Having a yes man is what Roughead wants, he's one of the increasing numbers within the Officer rank that has no use for Sailors, because only people like him knows anything.

The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, feels the same about enlisted. He recently stated that he would not fill the Senior Enlisted Advisor to the Chairman because he didn't feel there was a need. So straight from the top Senior Enlisted are not needed.

Maybe we one day again will see a leader like ADM Clark. Everytime he spoke, to any group he stressed the importance of senior enlisted....Chiefs etc...

It looks like the military is becoming an old boys club.

I would ask anyone to look at who gives more for thier country....you'll see it at any memorial, on any list of those that gave the ultimate sacrifice...it's the enlisted men and women far and any over the knife and fork country club type officers.

[Unregistered]

Congratulations are due for the decision to shorten the MCPON Campa era. I believe that the Navy leadership came to its senses and ended the "dumbing-down" of the enlisted community before it was too late to recover from the damage that was done by the decision of MCPON Campa to no longer require education for the enlisted community, especially the Chief's community. I for one was excited about MCPON Scott's forward thinking and realization that, if the enlisted community was to ever really have credibility, it was going to have to become educated - just as the rest of the United States business and governmental communities required of their "middle management". MCPON Scott's clearly articulated desire that the Navy enlisted personnel retiring after 20, 22, 26, or 30 years be competitive on the outside if they needed a second career showed that he understood the need for further education to be successfulon "the outside". MCPON Scott was head and shoulders above MCPON Campa when it came to thinking about the best interests of the enlisted community, both while serving and after having served honorably. The 5VM and the initiative to educate the enlisted community was eagerly greeted by many of the junior enlisted personnel; who once MCPON Campa bowed to the pressure brought on by the old "we don't need no education" Chief's community, decided that the best course of action for their career was to obtain their degree from TA and the GI Bill and then leave the Navy to seek a career where their initiative and education would be appreciated. The Navy has lost a great many of highly motivated personnel the last couiple years because MCPON Campa's decisions clearly demonstrated to them that the Navy senior enlisted ranks had no desire to better themselves and raise the quality of the members of their community.

You are COMPLETLEY off base with your comments above. MCPON CAMPA removed BARRIERS that would have kept capable Chiefs and Senior Chiefs from advancing because they are in SEA INTENSIVE ratings that do not afford them the opportunity to go to school. You sound like a Chief (probably not a very good one) who sits on his laurels on shore duty or overseas dutyand forsakes his sailors and goes to school. Best of luck to you in the fortune 500 world.......US REAL CHIEFS will continue to run the Navy as we have for well over 100 years.

[BlackSilver]

I was a Chief when the MCPON was selected in 1968, and I've familiarized myself with every holder of that Office since.

Doc Campa is the best of all of them, and that's saying a lot, because some really top (and one or two not so "top") guys have worn those three stars.

Hans Brakob
RMCM, USN (Ret)

[Unregistered]

VERY well said IT1. Going though induction it was stressed that us Chiefs do NOT air our own dirty laundry outside the Mess.

I for one think that MCPON Campa as done a DAMN FINE JOB! To each his own, but please brothers and sisters, let's talk about this forum elsewhere!

Boot Chief

Well, you missed the bus, what's a boot chief, here's one for you, a chief is a chief...remember that!

[bosin]

Sounds to me like he refuses to be a yes man for Adm Roughead, so the CNO has directed him (not asked) to retire. Maybe have a medical problem? Right age for that prostrate problems.

[Retired MC]

I think MCPON Campa did a pretty good job of "attempting" to restore creditibility/leadership to the Chief's Mess in the eyes of junior Sailors and senior officers...did he fully succeed...I doubt it. I retired with 30 yrs in 2008 and was ever so happy for the end of my career. In my eyes, the navy became so politicized over the last 10-15 yrs. Senior officers and senior enlisted that only cared about themselves to the detriment of junior enlisted. Doing the "right thing" was often tossed aside in favor of doing the politically correct thing. The loss/watering down of traditions ie...CPO initiation, crossing the line..just another indicator of politically correct thinking that started at the top and was carried through by "yes" men MCPONs, of which, I do not count Campa. The education requirement brought forward by Scott...wth was he thinking? Is there not a place in our navy for enlisted LEADERS at the E6-9 levels if they didn't possess that degree? Did Campa hit the stone wall of PC viewpoints...who knows, but if so, it's the navy's loss.

I'm not surprised to see the extreme contrast in viewpoints here. For me, it's typical of the chaos being felt right now by many due to the shallow, PC leadership at the top. MCPON Campa...I think you tried very hard to change some of the PC thinking involved in the senior ranks and for that, I salute you. Welcome to the retired brotherhood! To the rest of you still on active duty...I don't know where the navy will be in 10 yrs but I trust the great men and women still serving will find the path to keep it the finest naval force in the world...God bless you all.

[Unregistered]

MCPON Campa You started a good trend by trying to get the CPO back on leadership and not babysitting like those last 3 clowns before you that took oxygen out of that office. Today’s navy is nothing more than another social program that favors the problems that come with lack of leadership on the deck plates vice instilling leadership and core values case in point the endless barrage of PT clothing instead of taking care of the war fighting equipment. Good Luck Joe and Thanks for being a Master Chief Petty Officer ob The Navy and not just another E-9 A-School Grad- Cheer leader.

[Bernie Burawski]

MCPON Campa You started a good trend by trying to get the CPO back on leadership and not babysitting like those last 3 clowns before you that took oxygen out of that office. Today’s navy is nothing more than another social program that favors the problems that come with lack of leadership on the deck plates vice instilling leadership and core values case in point the endless barrage of PT clothing instead of taking care of the war fighting equipment. Good Luck Joe and Thanks for being a Master Chief Petty Officer ob The Navy and not just another E-9 A-School Grad- Cheer leader.

This is an interesting thread. I agree with many of the comments but feel that there is no need to trash the MCPON. The Navy has some serious problems right now and among them include a budget that may not be able to be fixed, and a grave leadership crisis that may be splitting the Navy apart. Something is wrong though. There is no way he would be leaving under such short notice unless something is up. I wish him the best and am totally disappointed in his decision to step aside.

Bernie Burawski
YNC(SW)(AW), USN, Ret.

Altamonte Springs, FL
KJ4BWQ

[II MEF CMC]

Let’s all congratulate MCPON Campa for accepting the role to begin with and wish him well as he departs. Many of the MCPON’s have brought the Navy forward in their own way. Some have been more public than others. Trying to trash those that have come before has no benefit. All chosen for this position have made life long commitments’ to the Navy and those Sailors proudly serving. They also have made life long friends and have upset a few along the way. We should stand and thank them for what they have done, wish them well as they depart, and as it's done in the Navy carry on. That includes supporting whoever is chosen to fill that billet. So on the 12th of December I would expect all those in the Navy to given the proper respect to the position, and then to the man or woman selected to fill it. Our Navy is strong and we owe it to our young Sailors to keep it that way.



CMDCM (FMF/SW/AW) Piner

[Unregistered]

The whole CMC program has out lived its usefulness and is nothing more than a glory boy & girl position with pro pay. With today’s communications why do we still need a token messenger? We have Chief Master at Arms who do straight talk to the CO& XO on a daily basis of need be. Real leaders don't need to be paid pro pay.

[Unregistered]

To all of those who have posted a negative comment about MCPON Joe Campa you should be ashamed. I'm a First Class Petty Officer busting my rear to make Chief so that I can continue to find ways to take care of sailors and make a difference. All you guys are on here Chief bashing and talking bad about MCPON Campa but in your career did you take the top job and the challenges that come with it. This man has made a difference and it was more than what MCPON Terry Scott did. The Chiefs Mess to me has gotten better and the Chiefs are back in control. The Officers drive the ship but the Chiefs RUN the ship. If you don't understand that then your an idiot. If the Chiefs Mess is about what I see here I'd rather be an LDO at least you kow there true colors from the start . Where is the brother hood and the fraternity of being a Chief shown; I am so ashamed of my so called Senior Enlisted Leadership. MCPON Campa Thank You for your service of 29yrs, we can't win all the political battles behind closed doors but you fought and won some of those battles. ADM. Roughead is nothing like ADM. Mullen. For you crummy Chiefs that are posting these negative comments stop posting UNREGISTERED use your name.

IT1

IT1 where is your name???

[Unregistered]

[QUOTE=CrustySMSgt;153319]

Well if thats the case! Then everyone can stop being qualified for surface warfare! Because as long as we have O' we won't need to know operate the ship in a emergency! Because if all the Officers happen to be wiped out. The Navy could have a NEW O just swim in.
Do they teach Officer's how to swim at the Navy Academy?

bad bad bad on you for slamming officers.

[Unregistered]

I can't believe some of the comments people have posted to this site. I have a hard time believing Chiefs, active or not, would publicly trash one of our brothers the way it is being done here.

Let's take a look at some of the initiatives and changes MCPON Campa brought to the Mess and beyond:

Standards and Conduct Boards -- what an outstanding change to allow the Mess to have a greater impact on Sailors heading in the wrong direction. My ship is a test platform for this program, and one of my Sailors is all the proof I need to know this works.

Chief Evals -- Measure more realistically where we should be as Chiefs, not as officers. The focus for Chiefs is now better aimed at the core of our Creed and the core of our training.

Evals for E-1-E-3 and Petty Officer Evals -- Great idea for all the same reasons.

Looking to make the ESWS and EAWS programs an inititial qualification, much like SS -- GREAT idea! Hope that goes through.

MCPON Campa didn't say "Chiefs don't need degrees!" He said they should not be mandatory for promotion.

MCPON Campa wanted Chief's attention to be placed where it is needed -- outside of the office and fully focused on those we lead -- just like Chiefs should be doing.

Thank you for your service, MCPON Joe Campa.

Joel I. Huval
Chief Petty Officer
USS ABRAHAM LINCOLN (CVN 72)

[Unregistered]

I cannot believe the negative comments posted on a public website about OUR MCPON! And by some of my family in the Mess. Really? Must be the E7 in you talking.

The MCPON is a job NONE of us know anything about until we've served in his capacity. In my humble opinion, MCPON CAMPA was the MCPON that I could aspire to. He set standards for us ALL to follow from SR - FORCM -- and held his own top Mess to it as well. I am thankful I served as a Chief Petty Officer while he had the helm. I am disappointed not to be able to serve longer with him. I only hope that CNO keeps the trend up with a strong, forthright Chief (FORCM PENTON) next, and not some pansy who wants us all to be DIVOs or is afraid to hold the Mess accountable.

Whomever thinks that we don't need CMCs or a MCPON needs to go to a division, department, command that hasn't had a Division CPO, Dept LCPO or CMC and ask the junior enlisted people how they feel. Look at their advancement rate and their recognition rate. I used to think the same way until I became a CPO and took over a division that didn't have a CPO for 6 months. Wow were my eyes opened. I've served with great CMCs who guided me and mentored me as a new Chief in a new role. His mentorship and oversight was invaluable. And I've served with ones that were not the brightest crayon in the box. That was felt too. The dynamic of CMC leadership can impact a Sailor for long after that specific command.

As for Officers, either ROTC, OCS, or LDO. We need 'em. They need us. We are a Navy Team! Some on this board probably have NO idea what a SWO DIVO or DEPT Head puts up with or has to do to maintain positive promotional potential. Many don't make it because it's HARD work. Maybe they aren't turning wrenches---as I said of MCPON---you have no idea what they do until you serve in the same capacity.

As for why? What is this the Navy Enquirer? I pray that there is nothing wrong with his family or his own health. He served HONORABLY--who are we to question his service? From what I've heard he wants to take a leadership position in the civilian sector that requires him to be out of the Navy/Military for a specific amount of time.

GO NAVY! ITCS Farmer

[Sailorman09090]

I served with Master Chief Campa during his tenure as CMC onboard the USS Frank Cable, and the guy was nothing short of an amazing leader. At times he could be a little over the top, but he was fully engaged in every aspect of the Command, and helped turn a truly disfunctional Chief's mess into a great one. I am surprised as any of Master Chief Campa's decision to step down early. My best guess is that because he isn't a "Yes" man, he was meeting resistance to some of his principals, so he got frustrated and called it a day. So I guess the next MCPON will end up being another spineless "Yes" man, and all will be right with the Navy.

I personally believe that Joe Campa did a great job. I for one, know first hand that he was sure a great CMC onboard the Frank Cable.

[Dougie]

MCPON Campa was a top-notch, hard charging 1st Class who worked with me in Okinawa back in 89-90.
I tried to set the best example as a Chief (failed a few times I'm sure), but I could sense that Joe would be an awesome leader and go far ...........and did he ever!! Whatever the reason Joe is leaving office, I am content with him keeping it private. Even though I've been retired for almost 12 years, I still follow the Navy on NPC's website, and I have thoroughly enjoyed following the MCPON during his tenure. Unlike many of his predecessors, MCPON Campa took action in an area that badly needed it, and as a result, the Navy is much better off.
Best wishes Joe Campa - ya done good!!!

[Unregistered]

MCPON Campa was a top-notch, hard charging 1st Class who worked with me in Okinawa back in 89-90...

Then you know why he is leaving.

[Dougie]

I don't have any idea why he is stepping down early - I just know it's his decision and I respect him so much that I wouldn't try to satisfy my or anyone else's curiosity by prying.

Doug Heidel
HMC(FMF) Retired

[Unregistered]

I know why he's leaving, at least the reason why he should be leaving. We've gone from a time not long ago when the Navy wondered why we need JOs to a point that we wonder why we need CPOs. Deckplate leadership? PO1s are our deckplate leaders. So if we need CPOs around for the sole purpose of training PO1s to be chiefs, then what are we doing?

I thought the point CrustySMSgt was trying to make was excellent. We have already proven that CPOs can "run" a ship, but we were moving in the direction of proving CPOs can command. So if the Navy is going to continue to get smaller, where do you think those cuts are going to come from now?

Rather than challenging the CPO community to pursue education, he responds the the calls that it can't be done by shutting the program down. Not extending the deadline, not limiting the number of credit hours -- cancelling. A group of CPOs who were probably never going to make senior chief anyway (or were already there) whined about the issue as the new guy came in the door. What kind of chief are you by saying that there is something you can't do . . . something as easy as taking a few classes? Yet, rather than help create paths for those who voiced their concern, he repsonded by saying that the potential for the CPO community has a limit.

[Unregistered]

I know why he's leaving, at least the reason why he should be leaving. We've gone from a time not long ago when the Navy wondered why we need JOs to a point that we wonder why we need CPOs. Deckplate leadership? PO1s are our deckplate leaders. So if we need CPOs around for the sole purpose of training PO1s to be chiefs, then what are we doing?

I thought the point CrustySMSgt was trying to make was excellent. We have already proven that CPOs can "run" a ship, but we were moving in the direction of proving CPOs can command. So if the Navy is going to continue to get smaller, where do you think those cuts are going to come from now?

Rather than challenging the CPO community to pursue education, he responds the the calls that it can't be done by shutting the program down. Not extending the deadline, not limiting the number of credit hours -- cancelling. A group of CPOs who were probably never going to make senior chief anyway (or were already there) whined about the issue as the new guy came in the door. What kind of chief are you by saying that there is something you can't do . . . something as easy as taking a few classes? Yet, rather than help create paths for those who voiced their concern, he repsonded by saying that the potential for the CPO community has a limit.

What's your point ????

[Bernie Burawski]

I know why he's leaving, at least the reason why he should be leaving. We've gone from a time not long ago when the Navy wondered why we need JOs to a point that we wonder why we need CPOs. Deckplate leadership? PO1s are our deckplate leaders. So if we need CPOs around for the sole purpose of training PO1s to be chiefs, then what are we doing?

I thought the point CrustySMSgt was trying to make was excellent. We have already proven that CPOs can "run" a ship, but we were moving in the direction of proving CPOs can command. So if the Navy is going to continue to get smaller, where do you think those cuts are going to come from now?

Rather than challenging the CPO community to pursue education, he responds the the calls that it can't be done by shutting the program down. Not extending the deadline, not limiting the number of credit hours -- cancelling. A group of CPOs who were probably never going to make senior chief anyway (or were already there) whined about the issue as the new guy came in the door. What kind of chief are you by saying that there is something you can't do . . . something as easy as taking a few classes? Yet, rather than help create paths for those who voiced their concern, he repsonded by saying that the potential for the CPO community has a limit.

I have only one question. Why not sign your name? No offense but if you're going to go on a public forum and criticize why not at least have the gonads to sign your name? You're either a coward or you're ashamed. That goes for the other comments that were anonymous as well.


Bernie Burawski
YNC(SW)(AW), USN, Ret.
KJ4BWQ

[Unregistered]

The notion that MCPON Campa's initiatives weakened the Chief's Mess is, in my opinion, shortsighted.

Chief Petty Officers are the technical experts, those responsible for the oversight, guidance, mentorship, training and caring of our junior Sailors. A Chief doesn't need a college degree to do that job well. The mandatory associate degree initiative put those Chiefs in sea-intensive ratings at a disadvantage, and also took away a path for those who wanted to stand out.

The notion of having Chiefs take over as division officers wasn't faulty because Chiefs couldn't do the job - it was a bad idea because those future department heads get their OJT in their JO tours as division officer. And while the Chief was sitting behind the computer doing the DIVOs job, there was no khaki presence on the deckplate.

I purposely stayed enlisted because I had no interest in joining the Wardroom - I wanted to be in the Chief's Mess. The Wardroom is resonsible for the big picture, but it's our job in the Mess to carry it out on the deckplates. That's our role. The military is structured the way it is for a reason.

I think MCPON Campa's approach to leading the Mess was the most closely aligned with the Chief's Creed that we've seen in a while. ADM Mullen had to know what he was getting when he dug deep into the pool of candidates and selected him.

As for all the rest, what's said in the Mess stays in the Mess.

Chief Trent

[wow]

Really. I'm ashamed to read the cry baby posts here. You men sound like nagging old bitties with nothing better to do than gripe and complain. It's no wonder your wives have bad reps! Look at who they live with! But one or two of you have it pegged correctly...and you jackanapes will learn very soon....You should have kept your potty sailor mouths shut!

[Unregistered]

Wow.... Look at all the comments, some favorable... some not so favorable... the mudslinging is inexcusable, especially in a public forum... naming the CNO as a Coward?... a Bully? Are you kidding me... surely you wouldn't have the Nads to say it to his face... and the negative comments about the present and past MCPONs... get off your high horse!... Until you've walked a mile in the man's shoes... keep your negative flap to yourselves. As for those that think the CMC program has out lived it's usefulness... you need to rethink that one. Like I used to tell my CO's/XO's... "there's a lot to be said for someone over 40 years of age and more than 20 years of service".
There is no denying that the Office of the MCPON is very political, and sometimes you have to give to get. Any high office has a magic time frame where he/she gets what ever they want, then they are expected to sit and behave themselves for the rest of their tour. MCPON Campa has done a remarkable job in a very short time. And instead of being forced to sit on his hands for the remainder of his time has decided that he has done all he can do effectivelty and has made the decision to move on... ON HIS TERMS.
We all know when it's time to go... is it his health?... hopefully not... is he being pushed out from the top?... possibly... How about this, MCPON has a lovely wife and 5 children and with all the time on the road for the past 2 plus years he's spent very little time with them, and maybe.... just maybe, he'd like to be with them more than us...
MCPON Campa, you've done a great job and I take this opportunity to welcome you to the retired community and thank you for your service. You will be missed, but you have set a new benchmark and that those that follow you will have to improve on it if they can...

Michael Corriveau
MMCM (SW) USN RET
1967-1997

[Unregistered]

The Navy’s top enlisted sailor announced he will step down by the end of the year.

Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy (SW/FMF) Joe R. Campa Jr. said he will leave office Dec. 13 and retire April 1. The departure will make Campa, at two years and five months in office, the shortest-serving MCPON in the 41-year history of the job.

“I wanted to stay focused and leave in full stride — that’s what I am going to do,” Campa told Navy Times. “I didn’t want to stay too long — there’s a danger in a position like this that the longer you stay, the less connected you are with those on the deck plates where I’ve always been the most comfortable — I did not want that to happen to me.”

But the announcement doesn’t mean Campa’s work is done.

“This is not a farewell — not yet,” he said “I still have some time before retirement and there is still plenty to be done.”

His final weeks will be spent putting the final touches on a few initiatives he’d like to complete. He also wants to leave some ideas for the next MCPON, should his replacement choose to act on them

Campa’s departure after 29 years of service will be strictly business, much as his time in office has been.

“There will be no ceremony when I leave,” Campa said in an e-mail to his leadership mess Monday. “Just as I’ve turned over with reliefs in the past, it will be simple, and it will be short — a handshake in the office with the next MCPON will suffice.

“The memories I’ll take with me of this job will last a lifetime — you are to thank for that,” he said in the message. “We’ve accomplished a lot on behalf of our sailors and I’m confident you’ll continue to do so. I hope you realize the role you’ve played in every decision or recommendation to come out of this office.”

Campa said he will not have a hand in selecting his replacement — a process that is expected to begin now that Campa has signaled his exit. Any current command master chief is eligible to become MCPON.

“That decision will be totally up to [Chief of Naval Operations] Adm. [Gary] Roughead,” Campa said. “But once that person is named, I will do everything I can do to set that person up for success.”

In a personal message sent to all flag officers, Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Gary Roughead said that the “Navy owes MCPON Campa a great debt of gratitude for what he has accomplished on behalf of our sailors.”

Roughead said he was “deeply indebted” to Campa “for his leadership and extraordinary support for me in my first year as CNO.”

The message noted many of Campa’s accomplishments, but took special notice of the key theme of Campa’s tenure.

“Early in his tour, it was very clear that his intent was to re-set the chiefs’ mess and return its members to the role of deck-plate leaders,” Roughead said in the message. “[Campa] systematically, through numerous deliberate decisions, refocused our navy chiefs on what our navy needed and expected of them. As his tenure comes to a close, the term ‘deck-plate leadership’ has become the watchword of the Navy chief.”

Since the top enlisted position was created in 1967, only one other MCPON has served less than the three years normally allotted for the job: William Plackett, who served two years and 11 months, from October 1985 through September 1988.

Of the 11 MCPONs to date, six have served at least four years in office. One of them, John Hagan, the eighth MCPON, served the longest at five years and seven months. Three others served between three and four years.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/11/navy_mcponretiring_110308w/


How successful has Campa been as MCPON? What do you think of his initiatives, including the overhaul of chiefs' evals? And what would you like to see the next MCPON do?


When Scott was relieved it felt like a breath of fresh air, i thought it can only get better. With MCPON Campa leaving now i feel like, dang what are we going to get. He has been the best MCPON that I have worked for and I am really saddened to see him leave so soon. I feel like he's leaving me....

[Boats/88]

Wow.... Look at all the comments, some favorable... some not so favorable... the mudslinging is inexcusable, especially in a public forum... naming the CNO as a Coward?... a Bully? Are you kidding me... surely you wouldn't have the Nads to say it to his face... and the negative comments about the present and past MCPONs... get off your high horse!... Until you've walked a mile in the man's shoes... keep your negative flap to yourselves. As for those that think the CMC program has out lived it's usefulness... you need to rethink that one. Like I used to tell my CO's/XO's... "there's a lot to be said for someone over 40 years of age and more than 20 years of service".
There is no denying that the Office of the MCPON is very political, and sometimes you have to give to get. Any high office has a magic time frame where he/she gets what ever they want, then they are expected to sit and behave themselves for the rest of their tour. MCPON Campa has done a remarkable job in a very short time. And instead of being forced to sit on his hands for the remainder of his time has decided that he has done all he can do effectivelty and has made the decision to move on... ON HIS TERMS.
We all know when it's time to go... is it his health?... hopefully not... is he being pushed out from the top?... possibly... How about this, MCPON has a lovely wife and 5 children and with all the time on the road for the past 2 plus years he's spent very little time with them, and maybe.... just maybe, he'd like to be with them more than us...
MCPON Campa, you've done a great job and I take this opportunity to welcome you to the retired community and thank you for your service. You will be missed, but you have set a new benchmark and that those that follow you will have to improve on it if they can...

Michael Corriveau
MMCM (SW) USN RET
1967-1997

Well I can assure you that I have everything it takes to tell the CNO that he is a COWARD to his face!
The man has no dignity at all when it comes to military wifes. Oh he sure can talk a good game, but he has no courage to speak to me one on one. Nor did he have any courage to answer my one question.
I am still waiting for that question to be answered. So to answer your question yes I do have the NADS... to say it to his face.
He was more then supportive to convict a innocent man and turnover a conviction of a man that acutaullly admitted to sexual assualt, misleading the investigation from the start, and making false official statements. He also allowed this sailor to be promoted to CHIEF! Admiral Roughead has no courage to admit the Navy legal system made a serious injustice and convited the wrong sailor!. Why? Because they let the real sailor who raped a female sailor go free and stay on active duty!
So to answer your question again. I have no problem telling the CNO that he is COWARD! He is no gentleman.
Now to MCPON, Even though the MCPON does not like me or will not speak to me. I do have full respect for him. For he has been the only one that has actually listen to my husband and has showed dignity, respect and full understanding of what my husband had to deal with. He is what I call a real CHIEF.
He has changed my opinion that there are still a few good CHIEFS out there.

[Unregistered]

I'm still trying to figure out how people who keep their noses buried in books can be equally focused on partying. Seems like two totally different groups of people to me.

[MPLisa]

Allow me to comment:
To qualify, I am a retired mustang, a former CPO, retired LT. Now I am a CEO of a complex business with Gross Revenues of about $550 million, and 400+ FTEs.

I can speak from both sides.

One of the dangers of being in a leadership position, and at the top, is that you don't always hear what you need to hear, no matter how hard you try. Another danger is that ego can blind you to the truth. For a good read on the subject, check out "Good To Great" by Jim Collins.
As the CEO, I know that I will make decisions that might be unpopular, and that I can not please everyone all the time. I must, however, keep my eye on the ball, and see the organization (not me) through to success, and try to make others successful as well.

On the other hand, for you who have NOT been in the ultimate position (at the very top), you will NEVER know the weight of responsibility on your shoulders, nor can you ever truly understand that perspective.


As a former CPO and then an officer, I am glad I had great enlisted and officer mentorship, including lots of inspiration to get my education. But the bottom line is that I did it on my own, I managed my own career, and had to wake up every day motivating myself.

[Shep]

Well I can assure you that I have everything it takes to tell the CNO that he is a COWARD to his face!
The man has no dignity at all when it comes to military wifes. Oh he sure can talk a good game, but he has no courage to speak to me one on one. Nor did he have any courage to answer my one question.
I am still waiting for that question to be answered. So to answer your question yes I do have the NADS... to say it to his face.
He was more then supportive to convict a innocent man and turnover a conviction of a man that acutaullly admitted to sexual assualt, misleading the investigation from the start, and making false official statements. He also allowed this sailor to be promoted to CHIEF! Admiral Roughead has no courage to admit the Navy legal system made a serious injustice and convited the wrong sailor!. Why? Because they let the real sailor who raped a female sailor go free and stay on active duty!
So to answer your question again. I have no problem telling the CNO that he is COWARD! He is no gentleman.
Now to MCPON, Even though the MCPON does not like me or will not speak to me. I do have full respect for him. For he has been the only one that has actually listen to my husband and has showed dignity, respect and full understanding of what my husband had to deal with. He is what I call a real CHIEF.
He has changed my opinion that there are still a few good CHIEFS out there.

Please go away, for the love!!! The CNO has more important issues then to deal with you and your unimportant problem. I can go on and on about this but you need to just disappear and get on with your life instead of pursuing this. You got hosed! Straight and simple, move on with your life.

[Boats/88]

Please go away, for the love!!! The CNO has more important issues then to deal with you and your unimportant problem. I can go on and on about this but you need to just disappear and get on with your life instead of pursuing this. You got hosed! Straight and simple, move on with your life.

Well I am not going to move on! I am here for the long hall. Don't like it move on yourself.
As for the CNO ROUGHEAD . He cannot answer the question then he will contiune to be in the hot seat till he does!
As for you SHEP! If you cannot have the courage to type your real name and have to hide behind the key board. Then you are the one with no life!

I do have a question for you. If you feel that my husband got hosed. Then I hope you are not in the Navy. For anyone that can see a misjustice here and does nothing help correct it. Is not better then the people that committed that Misjustice!

You see a real Chief would try to correct the wrong that was committed. If you are a Chief which I fully doubt you are. Then why have you not asked questions to what really happen in this case?

[Shep]

Well I am not going to move on! I am here for the long hall. Don't like it move on yourself.
As for the CNO ROUGHEAD . He cannot answer the question then he will contiune to be in the hot seat till he does!
As for you SHEP! If you cannot have the courage to type your real name and have to hide behind the key board. Then you are the one with no life!

I do have a question for you. If you feel that my husband got hosed. Then I hope you are not in the Navy. For anyone that can see a misjustice here and does nothing help correct it. Is not better then the people that committed that Misjustice!

You see a real Chief would try to correct the wrong that was committed. If you are a Chief which I fully doubt you are. Then why have you not asked questions to what really happen in this case?

First I really tried to hunt down your original post where you stated pretty much the whole case but couldnt find it. Your directing your attention to the wrong man. The CNO is in charge of hundreds of thousands of people, billions of dollars, has to focus on the Navy's part in the GWOT and you want him to give you time about your husband's "misjustice". Get real, seriously. To put blame on people who wont help you and who have nothing to do with it is just plain stupid

As for my lack of courage as you point out. I'm the only "shep" in colorado thats in the navy. Even the community editor for this site doesnt even put his name on his posts. If you've learned anything from the 21st century you'd understand that you dont put out any personal information out on any public media, thats just common sense not courage.

I'll say it one more time. You're husband got hosed. If he did commit this offense then the punishment was too harsh. If he didnt, then I do feel bad for him and your family. Appears he might be in the wrong situation at the wrong time.

[Unregistered]

Does this now mean every sailor that was convicted of adultery will be pardoned?


THE GOOD OLE BOYS CLUB ALIVE AND WELL IN WA D.C.

[Unregistered]

What has the Navy come too? It was a slip of the tongue that this was even brought to light. Even the post was deleted. The person that posted these allegations came back later in the blog and begged for it
to be removed. Was just stating a fact of something he knew about West. That the previous poster asked.

How can we have a MCPON preaching ethics, telling sailors to obied by the UCMJ when he violated it himself?????

Then again the Navy Call girl was preaching ethics too!

[Unregistered]

ROFL.. and when was MCPON West ever convicted or even accused (besides being accused by some anonymous board poster with an axe to grind) of adultery? NEVER.

gul⋅li⋅ble
–adjective
easily deceived or cheated.
Also, gul⋅la⋅ble.

Origin:
1815–25; gull 2 + -ible

I suppose you believe Obama is a terrorist as well... and that the government planned 9/11....

[Unregistered]

Rather it is the truth or not. MCPON's new CA should investigate any allegation of such misconduct.

[FMF_CPO]

Shipmates,

This is hardly the place to be bashing members of our military, regardless of the circumstances.

For military spouses on here, remember your military sponsor is responsible for the actions of their spouses.

For my fellow brothers and sisters (retired or active) making negative comments about Joe Campa; CHECK YOURSELVES! Re-read our CPO Creed then tell me whether or not you are up-holding to OUR Creed. Conversations like this are not supposed to leave our Mess. MCPON Campa has done more for this Navy, CPOs, and Sailors than has been done in years. Let's not loose perspective. WE ARE CHIEFS!

HMC(SW/AW/FMF) Kenny Mathiesen

[Bud_Weiser]

Allow me to comment:

... Now I am a CEO of a complex business with Gross Revenues of about $550 million, and 400+ FTEs.




Toot Toot.

[jeffersj]

First I really tried to hunt down your original post where you stated pretty much the whole case but couldnt find it. Your directing your attention to the wrong man. The CNO is in charge of hundreds of thousands of people, billions of dollars, has to focus on the Navy's part in the GWOT and you want him to give you time about your husband's "misjustice". Get real, seriously. To put blame on people who wont help you and who have nothing to do with it is just plain stupid

As for my lack of courage as you point out. I'm the only "shep" in colorado thats in the navy. Even the community editor for this site doesnt even put his name on his posts. If you've learned anything from the 21st century you'd understand that you dont put out any personal information out on any public media, thats just common sense not courage.

I'll say it one more time. You're husband got hosed. If he did commit this offense then the punishment was too harsh. If he didnt, then I do feel bad for him and your family. Appears he might be in the wrong situation at the wrong time.

First, I want to make it clear that I am not expressing an opinion regarding what happened to Ms. McSweeney's husband.

That said:

I did find the original post on the legal blotter forum dated 18 oct. 2007. I also located the Navy Times Story on the subject. You can the tool to find all posts by Ms. McSweeney by clicking on her screen name, and use the last name to find the story.

[Yggdrasil]

When Scott was relieved it felt like a breath of fresh air, i thought it can only get better. With MCPON Campa leaving now i feel like, dang what are we going to get. He has been the best MCPON that I have worked for and I am really saddened to see him leave so soon. I feel like he's leaving me....


Sorry man, I consider myself a part of the "Scott Camp".

When I think of Joe Campa, I think of fundamentalist Christian organizations that claims to be trying to take Christianity back to its "roots", or trying to make Christianity what it was 2,000 years ago - when, in reality, no Christian who has been alive in the past 1,900 years has any clue what Christianity was like in those days. In other words, they are, as TLC put it, "chasing waterfalls" - when the best thing that you can do is go with what you understand now, and move forward.

I felt that MCPON Campa was indeed some "fundamentalist" trying to do the same thing with the enlisted force. Well, let me not say the enlisted force - all he cared about during his time as MCPON was the Chief's Mess - always with the Navy Times as his medium of communication. He took one little step into the First Classes, but that's it. Forget E5 and below! I made First Class off of the most recent exam, and I've been in the Navy nine years. Sadly enough, I've watched the power of the Second Class Petty Officer go to sh!t in the early 2000's; and then there's our unsung hero, the Third Class Petty Officer - the Sailor who is expected to behave like the Petty Officer that he is, but is treated like a Seaman (Corporals of Marines do not have this problem). Where was MCPON Campa when these Sailors needed him? I'm on shore duty now, and will be returning to the fleet this summer - so all I can do is try to make as much of a difference as I can upon my return.

MCPON Scott, on the other hand, was forward thinking and represented ALL enlisted Sailors, E1-E9. For example, Task Force Excel was going to affect ALL enlisted Sailors (Scott retired before it could come to fruition).

And as far as the degree requirement to make Senior Chief, I was probably one of the most outspoken people against it. But at the time, the griping was coming from a Sailor who was knocking it before he tried it (i.e., taking classes on active duty). I sucked it up, and started my classes - CLEPped out of 48 credits. Didn't realize how EASY it was until I started - so easy, in fact, that I decided to skip my associate's and go straight for the bachelor's. It was in the middle of that that MCPON Campa rescinded the requirement for the associate's. However, I'm fully aware that in all likelihood, we are only one MCPON away from that requirement coming back. So I pressed on. Got my bachelor's degree last May, and am currently half way through my MBA. It's not hard.

I hope MCPON West will be as forward thinking as MCPON Scott was.

[Unregistered]

Obviously you don’t know MCPON West…the man is one of the most upright Sailors in the Navy. When he preaches Honor Courage and Commitment, he means it. If you look at his bio you can see he has served with females Sailors very limitedly. He is a Submarine Sailor and I was personally served two back to back tours with him on the Preble and at Pac Fleet. Get your facts right before you make an statement like that!