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kenny10

01-05-2009, 08:20 PM

mel44

01-05-2009, 08:44 PM

I've got a good friend who is kind of in a weird situation right now.
The Friend is a female Marine and has been trying to get in touch with a male Marine that she was friends with before Pcsing. So she just got an email message today from her friend thats a male Marines new wife who happens to be a female Marine) and it was a pretty threatening message.
So this male Marine apparently married some female marine and comitted adultery and then had a baby and my friend found out all of this through an email. Anyways the new wife of the moron male Marine sent her a message that said this
" I'm a Marine too and I will slit your throat bitch"

I told her to go to legal or at least try to do something about it because it is about as threatening as you can get
any advice?

Hey kiddo how you been? She needs to take it to the civilian police as well as her CO. It can be a marine thing but will always be a civilian crime. She will get more action through the local police anyways. Then once charges have been pressed criminally her (the psycho) marine will be addressed through her command. It is the quickest way of action. Does she have her name and so forth? It is still illegal to make death threats and due to the fact that she indicated she is a marine it would be considered the same as if she had said "I have a gun and will shoot you" Her training can be considered a weapon. Tell her to call local police non-emergency and tell them she needs an officer to come to her house that she has been threatened. They will come and file a report and assign it to a detective. Then she needs to let her command know she has filed the report and her command should contact the command of the psycho chic. hope this helps.
Mel

fenway

01-05-2009, 08:53 PM

too petty to get involved with if the story is on the level. which I doubt

just get on with your life and keep a copy of the e-mail.

kenny10

01-05-2009, 09:37 PM

mel44

01-05-2009, 09:50 PM

she is in okinawa and the crazy female said that she would come out there and slit her throat
she is stationed at pendleton and my female marine friend will be going back for terminal there soon

it may be pety but i know i wouldnt appreciate a stupid PFC or LCpl threatning a Sgt by sliting her throat???

Since she is in Okinawa she should contact NCIS. I would also call the local police at Pendleton and make a report over the phone and get their directions on the matter. This does need to be taken very serious. For some reason people seem to think a issue is not an issue until it becomes a felony. Chances are she is just blowing hot air but what if she isn’t and what if she follows through with her threats? Its a little late to take action when your dead. she needs to keep seeking assistance from all sides until she is satisfied the Psycho chic has been appropriately delt with and the harassment has been addressed. Regardless how pissed you get at someone you are not allowed to threaten their life period. how can we fight for freedom and then relinquish our own to bullies and psychos. Report report report. Having this on record will also help her get immediate assistance once she gets home if this continues.

kenny10

01-05-2009, 10:05 PM

Its just a stupid threat on the wife's part because this certain female Marine would beat the living crap out of her and I know this for a fact. It was a really nasty disgusting email and for someone to say

"I'm a Marine too and I'll come out there and slit your throat" as if this adultery commiting moron has anything on my Marine female friend is hilarious. This wife is a pretty shitty Marine and I'm surprised we are holding onto her nasty ass
is not appropriate at all to tell someone you are going to slit their throat

kenny10

01-05-2009, 10:21 PM

mel44

01-05-2009, 10:39 PM

the male Marines know this female Marine very well. like what car she drives, where she lives, where she hangs out etc and of course her name. Also this nasty female marine wife sent the message on her husbands account so either she stole his password or he damn well knew about it

Ya that increases the liability as well. His CO needs to be advised as well. this Marine could potentially be in violation for allowing her on his secured e-mail to disseminate threatening and vulgar messages. You are just in your concern for your friend. I have no doubt she could hold her own as people that tend to resort to this kind of behavior many times are cowards. Never the less you have to take it seriously and assume if this person has resorted tot his kind of behavior they may be capable of more and very well may follow through with it. I would immediately contact the (Marine e-mail, I don’t know what that is we use AKO) administrator and let them know you need to file a formal complaint and they will mainstream it to command of the violating e-mail participant.

For instance - with AKO if I had received this e-mail I would contact, through the help desk, the administrator. I would let them know I have received a death threat from another soldier. they would in turn find the sender and contact law enforcement as well as soldiers command of incident.

The fact that the server was used in the commission of a crime will change the rules on this. She just has to be persistent and not back down until she gets satisfaction that the issue has been addressed. Like I stated above it probably is just a cowards way of looking tough but there is always the chance its not. At the very least we don’t need to have these kind of Marines representing the corps. She also needs to report the adultery . He needs to be responsible for this behavior.

kenny10

01-05-2009, 11:06 PM

Ya that increases the liability as well. His CO needs to be advised as well. this Marine could potentially be in violation for allowing her on his secured e-mail to disseminate threatening and vulgar messages. You are just in your concern for your friend. I have no doubt she could hold her own as people that tend to resort to this kind of behavior many times are cowards. Never the less you have to take it seriously and assume if this person has resorted tot his kind of behavior they may be capable of more and very well may follow through with it. I would immediately contact the (Marine e-mail, I don’t know what that is we use AKO) administrator and let them know you need to file a formal complaint and they will mainstream it to command of the violating e-mail participant.

For instance - with AKO if I had received this e-mail I would contact, through the help desk, the administrator. I would let them know I have received a death threat from another soldier. they would in turn find the sender and contact law enforcement as well as soldiers command of incident.

The fact that the server was used in the commission of a crime will change the rules on this. She just has to be persistent and not back down until she gets satisfaction that the issue has been addressed. Like I stated above it probably is just a cowards way of looking tough but there is always the chance its not. At the very least we don’t need to have these kind of Marines representing the corps. She also needs to report the adultery . He needs to be responsible for this behavior.

well the message was sent on myspace
ok haha the adultery thing............she commited adultery on her previous husband with the male marine that was friends with my female marine friend and got the nutjob female marine pregnant
then this male marine got her pregnant and I am pretty sure he got knocked down in rank because he went from a cpl to a lcpl. oh man this bitch (excuse my language) is insane and the male marine is even more retarded

kenny10

01-05-2009, 11:09 PM

I NEED A MP'S OPINION! thats exactly what I need

mel44

01-05-2009, 11:18 PM

I NEED A MP'S OPINION! thats exactly what I need

Kenny I think OIF has been both a Marine and a MP. He can probably help you out more than I can on the military thing. You might send him a PM if he hasnt visited this thread.

kenny10

01-05-2009, 11:53 PM

Kenny I think OIF has been both a Marine and a MP. He can probably help you out more than I can on the military thing. You might send him a PM if he hasnt visited this thread.

all of the Marines that I have talked to at work today think she should report it as well

hawk71049

01-06-2009, 12:13 AM

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all of the Marines that I have talked to at work today think she should report it as well

Just thought i would chime in here...mel is right… even though it may be internet talk, of which I have seen lately, it should and must be taken seriously. This WM must be help accountable for her actions, to and including the Male Marine, obliviously he has not learned his lesson, if he in fact was lowered a rank for such matters.

Report this to the civilian authorities; get a copy of your report for your records.

Also take your time and type up a letter explaining all this in detail, do spell check.. check that it is understandable, and give it to your CoC, forget about your gutless NCO,:eek: :eek: Hell… give it directly to your commanding officer…
:D:D
Heck, you can also type a statement at the bottom of this document, that might say something like this.

I__________(insert Commanding officers name and rank, date) received this document from kenny10 this day….

OIF...might also be alble to shed some light on the subject....:)

hawk

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kenny10

01-06-2009, 12:26 AM

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Just thought i would chime in here...mel is right… even though it may be internet talk, of which I have seen lately, it should and must be taken seriously. This WM must be help accountable for her actions, to and including the Male Marine, obliviously he has not learned his lesson, if he in fact was lowered a rank for such matters.

Report this to the civilian authorities; get a copy of your report for your records.

Also take your time and type up a letter explaining all this in detail, do spell check.. check that it is understandable, and give it to your CoC, forget about your gutless NCO,:eek: :eek: Hell… give it directly to your commanding officer…
:D:D
Heck, you can also type a statement at the bottom of this document, that might say something like this.

I__________(insert Commanding officers name and rank, date) received this document from kenny10 this day….

OIF...might also be alble to shed some light on the subject....:)

hawk

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I spoke to my female Marine friend at chow and told her about the opinions I have gotten so far. She is a Sgt and this other female marine is like a pfc, lcpl or possibly even a pvt for the things she has done already. I wouldn't take it lightly if a Male marine told me he was going to slit my throat so I don't think she should either.
I told her to go to the MP's and see what can be done about it. I know that if I was walking around at Pendleton I wouldn't want to have to watch my back every minute because some nutjob threatened to kill me. She doesn't really know what the nutjob female Marine looks like but the nutjob and her crazy husband know exactly what my friend looks like and her car etc. Plus its a lower ranking Marine directly threatening an NCO, I'm not to saavy on MC law so I was looking for some opinions

kenny10

01-06-2009, 12:30 AM

how mentally stable can she really be?
she has commited adultery and when she did that she got pregnant by her husband ( the male marine that she just married)
went UA for a month and told everyone that she was admin seped from the MC and they believed her which could have hurt their careers for harboring a fugitive and not only that
but to get online and threaten someone she doesn't even know and say some nasty things to just because she feels like she can and rates to say that crap
this was the 1st contact she has ever had with my female friend
nice 1st impression

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 06:01 AM

I NEED A MP'S OPINION! thats exactly what I need

Mind your own business and have her delete the email. Stupid is as stupid does or drama is as drama does. When I was a civilian, I didnt meddle in people's private lives or gossip and in the military I stay in my lane or when it affects someone directly below me or it needs to get to my level. Not the first time someone has threatened someone in an email. Its just like real life; be the bigger person, ignore and walk away. If stuff like this is always informed; the NCIS office will have hundreds or thousands of complaints lol. They are 10,000 miles apart. Case closed lol. Adultery is hearsay. Stop the rumors please.

But if you going to listen to that advice; just print the email and have the sergeant take that email to her next supervisor in the chain of command. In the military, we just dont jump ranks to the commander. Pvts-Specialist-Corporals go to Sergeants; then Sergeants go to Staff-Sergeants; then Staff-Sergeants go to the Platoon Sergeant (SFC or Gunny); then Platoon Sergeant goes to the Platoon Leader/Platoon Commander; then Platoon Leader goes to Company Commander. Should hopefully be handled by time it gets to the Commander. First word out of the COs mouth will be, "did you see your sergeant first or utilized the chain of command?" Let these issues be resolved by NCOs. The military is run by NCOs. You jump over your Sergeant's head then expect a smoke-session. Let them do their jobs first.

I love the go to the CO advice lol. Secured email? Anything on an unclassified network is unsecured. You have to be on a SIPR/classified network and that doesnt even touch the regular internet. Meaning I couldnt email a yahoo account on a classified network or go to www.militarytimes.com on it as well. All blocked and not routed.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 06:10 AM

Kenny I think OIF has been both a Marine and a MP. He can probably help you out more than I can on the military thing. You might send him a PM if he hasnt visited this thread.

im just a cook lol but as MPs, we will either just say the say thing to the complainant or have her write a sworn statement and keep it on file. Soldiers/Marines fight daily and constantly over the pettiness of crap. e.g. boyfriend/girlfriend, best rap music, who has the best car and so-on and so-on. I stopped a fight between two soldiers and one was saying "MOFO, I am going to kill you man!!". I broke it up and told the females to scat and found out the problem. Problem was that one soldier was not letting another soldier play the music that he wanted lol. Honestly, true story. Let it be and dont make a mountain out of a molehill.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 06:12 AM

it may be pety but i know i wouldnt appreciate a stupid PFC or LCpl threatning a Sgt by sliting her throat???

I been threatened worst lol Even someone on here wanted to beat my face into a pulp. Should I report him? ;) Man those sharp talons lol

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 06:16 AM

well the message was sent on myspace
ok haha the adultery thing............she commited adultery on her previous husband with the male marine that was friends with my female marine friend and got the nutjob female marine pregnant
then this male marine got her pregnant and I am pretty sure he got knocked down in rank because he went from a cpl to a lcpl. oh man this bitch (excuse my language) is insane and the male marine is even more retarded

oh jeez MYSPACE. scratch what I wrote lol

man, just young people effing around like always. Cannot act like a mature MGF for once lol.

mel44

01-06-2009, 09:03 AM

Kenny what it comes down to is if she feels truly threatened or just pissed. It always makes you want to fight when someone is violating your trust or respect which it seems has happened to this young lady. The defining line is whether she feels threatened and afraid. Most of the time these issues have to run through so many different chains that the best defense is the local police. OIF is right on a public e-mail its just an open e-mail. If it were like our AKO if you allow anyone else on it or give out your password you ass is grass, My hubby suggested NCIS, Hawks information is straight up, GET A COPY OF ALL REPORTS. My personal thoughts and years in corrections and law enforcement leaves me amazed that the norm for situations like this is to ignore them. If the young lady (Psycho Chic) has a history of irrational behavior and inconsistent compliance with rules and boundaries are a good indication there could be a problem once your friend returns next month. These kind of threats are never acceptable whether in the Marines or working in Wal-Mart. Encourage her to make the report and from what I have gathered from OIF your quickest avenue for help would be civilian police.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 05:48 PM

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Re: crazy question

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kenny,

Unless I completely read your post wrong, or lack the understanding of your character. (meaning you don’t waste a lot of words when few are needed to explain) Your impression of the “Psycho Chic” fits mine as well, she has lost more than one rank over such behaviors before, why would she change on this occasion? She wouldn’t, is the answer! This is your friend you know her… it seems quite well, you have a level head, if you get the impression she has a fear for her life, advise her accordingly. To simply ignore this would be a miscarriage of justice, which could lead to loss of life.

We both know why I suggested you go to your officer in charge! (and I don’t need a page to explain this either, we both know the CoC and how it works in normal situations) It’s simply because in your unit you truly don’t have a chain of command, which is truly sad!… as would a normal unit. I understand this from some of your previous post, as I have copied some of them for the previous poster to understand my advising you as I did. I assure you this is not normal, as I am sure you are aware. Yes… there are poor officers out there today, as there has always been… as there are poor NCO’s. You cannot let this get you down. Even in civilian life you will find in corporate structure individuals that haven’t the foggiest idea as to leadership and structure.

Not that this has a bearing on matters, but it sorta does… since you’re getting out shortly. Hell, it’s no skin off your ass if you’re wrong and she was playing some sick game or something, she should be held accountable for her actions period! Internet, MySpace call it what you want, there is no place for this behavior, and you and I both know that. I think mel also addressed this in similar terms.

Yes, there was an individual that roamed these forums puffing out his chest, posting pictures (then deleting them) making sarcastic ugly sick and threatening remarks, toward this individual, including posting such on the MGF forums… many posts were deleted, some do still exist… An officer this individual was not, a gentlemen he could be, spit in his face once and he may turn the other check, do is again… well, I would expect the talons to come to bear... at some point. Funny thing this individual continues to bait this OP… report him nah… I think his comments are being monitored. Remember we all have Freedom of Speech, when it embarks on others freedoms is when attention comes to bear thos out, they will get noticed, and action is taken, regardless if we are active duty members subscribing to any one of the military times journals or civilians or retired, makes no difference. Many tend to frown on such behavior, regardless of who we are.

You see this individual after Basic, plus a year of training, was taught to keep a low profile, never make himself a target… know yourself, seek self improvement.. to that always know your limits, your boundaries, be physically fit, mind, body & spirit… while in Okinawa he mastered his 2nd degree dan belt, after getting discharged… he spared with Thunder foot Thurman (World Class Kick Boxer) a couple years later earning his 3rd degree dan belt… picking up his ribbon, a long story… that was many years ago, up until March of this year he was running 20 to 25 miles a day… he is now mostly deaf… a poor helpless old man now…lmao

kenny, continue to keep your head up, your nose clean… bright eyed and bushy tailed.. I am proud of you who you are and what you have done…. hawk

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Originally Posted by Lone_NCO
12-15-2008, 08:52 AM… post # 102...
Good lord, you guys had all the fun this weekend. Again I appreciate the comments and suggestions (shout outs to Mel especially) to my topic, as well as all the other silliness I just read through.

Kenny if I dont see anymore posts from you good luck on the outside, but dont think theres not BS in the civilian world. I assure you there is plenty of it. I work with civilians and have a second job at a mall, if I were to go all Sgt like on a customer I assure you it would be the talk of the mall. The leadership that your complaining about now is rarely present, and they dont bother to explain themselves. Regardless of what you do, I wish the best for you.

By the way, sorry my punctuation and grammer sucks to all those who read my non sense, hopefully you dont hold it against me to much.

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-14-2008, 06:50 AM… post # 98...
HAHA no, this gunny really has no pull in our shop because our major is an ass and has no life because he is on an unaccompanied tour and likes to keep us there as long as he wants to stay there. Let me put it this way, we usually have all the work that we have to do done by 1000 because our shop is locked on and knocks everything out as soon as we get in. We literally sit there until 1630 every single day and not a minute earlier, we sit there staring at one another and picking our noses. I hate it

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Originally Posted by mel44
12-13-2008, 11:24 PM… post #81...
Now you know I would never call your CO but i might call your mama you have good heart and and your smart as a whip but when you get on the outs remember chose your words and dont let anyone push you to personal comments step up you can wrap people up in their own words and always walk away with the last word if you talk slow dont get in a hurry to say what you think and ponder what you are saying and make sure its what you believe then it will come out with conviction and hit its target - practice practice practice you'll get good at it

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-14-2008, 01:23 AM… post# 88...
I was just pissed that damn near everyone in the forum was just talking about frying a Marine. Crap happens, lots of crap happens. I have never been late, like I said but that is me, just me. I had a Cpl who showed up late 5 times in one month, sometimes it was 10 minutes and sometimes it was 5 hours. So instead of going apeshit, I sat down and talked to him.
A month prior, one of the Marines in our shop died from alcohol poisioning while on leave back in the states. I had only known him for about 4 months, but the Marine who was late was best friends with him. He blamed himself and pretty much lost interest in everything, wasn't sleeping, drinking more than he used too and so forth and so that is why he was late. I sat down, talked to him and got another one of the Cpl's in my shop to make sure he is up and at work on time. Problem solved and he is now on his way to Iraq

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-14-2008, 01:18 AM post# 87...
I did get used like a old towel and then thrown away. All of my officers and higher enlisted are completely aware of why I am getting out and support me 100 percent. They are pissed and blame the Marine Corps for the crappy enlistment that I have had. I know the transition can be really tough but I think I can handle myself and in the long run I will be more than ok. I'm 24 and feel like I am 40 so thats another reason why I am getting out, I've been broken a couple times. I am not getting forced out either, I am just leaving. I have a huge bonus and it still won't make me reenlist and I think that says something.
I've got more deployments than the majority of the Marines in the Corps and all in a mere 5 years. They weren't MEU deployments or fun deployments to Thailand or what not, all 4 of mine were to a war zone.

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Originally Posted by mel44
12-13-2008, 10:53 PM post# 74...
Sounds reasonable to me - you have put in your time and it is appreciated - go work out you'll feel better

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-13-2008, 10:57 PM post #76...
Yep thats basically all I have that can relieve my stress.
I've done my time plus some, I was sent to Okinawa after all my tours because I was practically useless to my old BN since I didn't want to voluntarily deploy again. So they traded me out for Marines that hadn't deployed yet. Once again I left my family, my fiancee and my friends because I wasn't worth anything to my BN anymore. They did that to 5 of us.

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Originally Posted by mel44
12-13-2008, 10:44 PM post# 69...
Why are you leaving

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-13-2008, 10:50 PM post#73...
I would be here for days if I tried explaining everything.
Pretty much because I am tired of all the retarded things that I do
I've been to Iraq 3 times and Afghanistan once and I haven't even ended my 1st enlistment yet. I do have a 5 year contract. I am tired of living in the barracks, I want my dog back. I want a relationship that will actaully last and not be married to the Marine Corps. I want some privacy, I don't want to have to spring clean field day every monday because the squadron guns is mad at two Marines in my unit so he punishes everyone. I am a grown ass man and don't need someone else coming into my room to check on me. I want some freedom and I can make so much more money on the outside and already have jobs locked down.

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Originally Posted by mel44
12-13-2008, 10:40 PM post #66...
I get this about you and Im not making fun I know just by your personality you put your all into the Marines and have a great respect for it right?

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Originally Posted by kenny10
12-13-2008, 10:43 PM post #68...
Yeah I have a great respect, btw I am getting out in about 4 months

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OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 05:51 PM

No need to delete it since it appears my deletions were not okayed by you. I guess its best to have it remain so it can be "monitored" as I supposedly am. But I love the baiting game. Great stuff civvy. I bet you made Master Guns huh? Posts your pics anytime as well since the users will love to see a celebrity similar to Chuck Norris except that writes like Yoda (an officer this individual was not vice this individual was not an officer). I didnt know we didnt have the option to change, move and delete pics but I guess doing so is a violation of terms as well, huh? Sheese, the nerve of some people lol. I wouldnt want some people here sitting on a jury if I was tried. I be considered guilty regardless if all the facts showed me innocent.

Moral of the story - Dont take every person's post as bond especially if you dont know the situation/person 100 percent. There are definitely more than one side to a story. Your job; even so similar, doesnt apply here. Civilian law enforcement has no jurisdiction in this matter.

I think I have the right to go all out but when stuff starts to come out the rear end; then you realize its not even worth it.

The Midnight Blues posters.

hawk71049

01-06-2009, 05:58 PM

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kenny,

Unless I completely read your post wrong, or lack the understanding of your character. (meaning you don’t waste a lot of words when few are needed to explain) Your impression of the “Psycho Chic” fits mine as well, she has lost more than one rank over such behaviors before, why would she change on this occasion? She wouldn’t, is the answer! This is your friend you know her… it seems quite well, you have a level head, if you get the impression she has a fear for her life, advise her accordingly. To simply ignore this would be a miscarriage of justice, which could lead to loss of life.

We both know why I suggested you go to your officer in charge! (and I don’t need a page to explain this either, we both know the CoC and how it works in normal situations) It’s simply because in your unit you truly don’t have a chain of command, which is truly sad!… as would a normal unit. I understand this from some of your previous post, as I have copied some of them for the previous poster to understand my advising you as I did. I assure you this is not normal, as I am sure you are aware. Yes… there are poor officers out there today, as there has always been… as there are poor NCO’s. You cannot let this get you down. Even in civilian life you will find in corporate structure individuals that haven’t the foggiest idea as to leadership and structure.

Not that this has a bearing on matters, but it sorta does… since you’re getting out shortly. Hell, it’s no skin off your ass if you’re wrong and she was playing some sick game or something, she should be held accountable for her actions period! Internet, MySpace call it what you want, there is no place for this behavior, and you and I both know that. I think mel also addressed this in similar terms.

Yes, there was an individual that roamed these forums puffing out his chest, posting pictures (then deleting them) making sarcastic ugly sick and threatening remarks, toward this individual, including posting such on the MGF forums… many posts were deleted, some do still exist… An officer this individual was not, a gentlemen he could be, spit in his face once and he may turn the other check, do is again… well, I would expect the talons to come to bear... at some point. Funny thing this individual continues to bait this OP… report him nah… I think his comments are being monitored. Remember we all have Freedom of Speech, when it embarks on others freedoms is when attention comes to bear thos out, they will get noticed, and action is taken, regardless if we are active duty members subscribing to any one of the military times journals or civilians or retired, makes no difference. Many tend to frown on such behavior, regardless of who we are.

kenny, continue to keep your head up, your nose clean… bright eyed and bushy tailed.. I am proud of you who you are and what you have done…. hawk

12-15-2008, 08:52 AM… post # 102 (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post166374)...
Good lord, you guys had all the fun this weekend. Again I appreciate the comments and suggestions (shout outs to Mel especially) to my topic, as well as all the other silliness I just read through.

Kenny if I dont see anymore posts from you good luck on the outside, but dont think theres not BS in the civilian world. I assure you there is plenty of it. I work with civilians and have a second job at a mall, if I were to go all Sgt like on a customer I assure you it would be the talk of the mall. The leadership that your complaining about now is rarely present, and they dont bother to explain themselves. Regardless of what you do, I wish the best for you.

By the way, sorry my punctuation and grammer sucks to all those who read my non sense, hopefully you dont hold it against me to much.

12-14-2008, 06:50 AM… post # 98 (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165916)...
HAHA no, this gunny really has no pull in our shop because our major is an ass and has no life because he is on an unaccompanied tour and likes to keep us there as long as he wants to stay there. Let me put it this way, we usually have all the work that we have to do done by 1000 because our shop is locked on and knocks everything out as soon as we get in. We literally sit there until 1630 every single day and not a minute earlier, we sit there staring at one another and picking our noses. I hate it

12-14-2008, 01:23 AM… post# 88 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165793)...
I was just pissed that damn near everyone in the forum was just talking about frying a Marine. Crap happens, lots of crap happens. I have never been late, like I said but that is me, just me. I had a Cpl who showed up late 5 times in one month, sometimes it was 10 minutes and sometimes it was 5 hours. So instead of going apeshit, I sat down and talked to him.
A month prior, one of the Marines in our shop died from alcohol poisioning while on leave back in the states. I had only known him for about 4 months, but the Marine who was late was best friends with him. He blamed himself and pretty much lost interest in everything, wasn't sleeping, drinking more than he used too and so forth and so that is why he was late. I sat down, talked to him and got another one of the Cpl's in my shop to make sure he is up and at work on time. Problem solved and he is now on his way to Iraq

12-13-2008, 11:24 PM… post #81 (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165747)...
Now you know I would never call your CO but i might call your mama :) you have good heart and and your smart as a whip but when you get on the outs remember chose your words and dont let anyone push you to personal comments. you can wrap people up in their own words and always walk away with the last word if you talk slow, and dont get in a hurry. Say what you think and ponder what you are saying and make sure its what you believe... then it will come out with conviction and hit its target - practice practice practice you'll get good at it :)

12-14-2008, 01:18 AM post# 87 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165790)...
I did get used like a old towel and then thrown away. All of my officers and higher enlisted are completely aware of why I am getting out and support me 100 percent. They are pissed and blame the Marine Corps for the crappy enlistment that I have had. I know the transition can be really tough but I think I can handle myself and in the long run I will be more than ok. I'm 24 and feel like I am 40 so thats another reason why I am getting out, I've been broken a couple times. I am not getting forced out either, I am just leaving. I have a huge bonus and it still won't make me reenlist and I think that says something.
I've got more deployments than the majority of the Marines in the Corps and all in a mere 5 years. They weren't MEU deployments or fun deployments to Thailand or what not, all 4 of mine were to a war zone.

12-13-2008, 11:05 PM post #79 (http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165741)...
That sux really bad - war time is a bad time seems it uses good men like old towels but please know we dont feel that way - I am an old mom - I got 9 kids with my married in ones and 4 grandkids so I can be a little gruff sometimes but you remember you ever need someone to talk to im here - transition out can be really hard bu tI feel sure you will do well with anything you put your mind to and not getting a young life and a chance to fall in love and get married is not ok for anyone so dont feel like your a quitter you did an amazing job more deployments than most so hold your head up proudly and remember your a Marine that means something forever!

12-13-2008, 10:57 PM post #76 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165735)...
Yep thats basically all I have that can relieve my stress.
I've done my time plus some, I was sent to Okinawa after all my tours because I was practically useless to my old BN since I didn't want to voluntarily deploy again. So they traded me out for Marines that hadn't deployed yet. Once again I left my family, my fiancee and my friends because I wasn't worth anything to my BN anymore. They did that to 5 of us.

12-13-2008, 10:53 PM post# 74 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165730)...
Sounds reasonable to me - you have put in your time and it is appreciated - go work out you'll feel better :)

12-13-2008, 10:50 PM post#73 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165727)...
I would be here for days if I tried explaining everything.
Pretty much because I am tired of all the retarded things that I do
I've been to Iraq 3 times and Afghanistan once and I haven't even ended my 1st enlistment yet. I do have a 5 year contract. I am tired of living in the barracks, I want my dog back. I want a relationship that will actaully last and not be married to the Marine Corps. I want some privacy, I don't want to have to spring clean field day every monday because the squadron guns is mad at two Marines in my unit so he punishes everyone. I am a grown ass man and don't need someone else coming into my room to check on me. I want some freedom and I can make so much more money on the outside and already have jobs locked down.

12-13-2008, 10:44 PM post# 69 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165722)...
Why are you leaving

12-13-2008, 10:43 PM post #68 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165721)...
Yeah I have a great respect, btw I am getting out in about 4 months

12-13-2008, 10:40 PM post #66 ( http://www.militarytimes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1572736#post165718)...
I get this about you and Im not making fun I know just by your personality you put your all into the Marines and have a great respect for it right?

.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-06-2009, 06:07 PM

Oh now its back again

hawk71049

01-06-2009, 06:56 PM

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Mind your own business and have her delete the email. Stupid is as stupid does or drama is as drama does. When I was a civilian, I didnt meddle in people's private lives or gossip and in the military I stay in my lane or when it affects someone directly below me or it needs to get to my level. Not the first time someone has threatened someone in an email. Its just like real life; be the bigger person, ignore and walk away. If stuff like this is always informed; the NCIS office will have hundreds or thousands of complaints lol. They are 10,000 miles apart. Case closed lol. Adultery is hearsay. Stop the rumors please.

But if you going to listen to that advice; just print the email and have the sergeant take that email to her next supervisor in the chain of command. In the military, we just dont jump ranks to the commander. Pvts-Specialist-Corporals go to Sergeants; then Sergeants go to Staff-Sergeants; then Staff-Sergeants go to the Platoon Sergeant (SFC or Gunny); then Platoon Sergeant goes to the Platoon Leader/Platoon Commander; then Platoon Leader goes to Company Commander. Should hopefully be handled by time it gets to the Commander. First word out of the COs mouth will be, "did you see your sergeant first or utilized the chain of command?" Let these issues be resolved by NCOs. The military is run by NCOs. You jump over your Sergeant's head then expect a smoke-session. Let them do their jobs first.

I love the go to the CO advice lol. Secured email? Anything on an unclassified network is unsecured. You have to be on a SIPR/classified network and that doesnt even touch the regular internet. Meaning I couldnt email a yahoo account on a classified network or go to www.militarytimes.com on it as well. All blocked and not routed.

It is obvious you were not aware of this Marines background, I pointed that out in my post... so, your not happy, sorry... you draw first blood....

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hawk71049

01-06-2009, 06:59 PM

I been threatened worst lol Even someone on here wanted to beat my face into a pulp. Should I report him? ;) Man those sharp talons lol

yeah right.......

kenny10

01-06-2009, 07:38 PM

yeah right.......

Ok now I am really pissed, this is the 3rd freaking time I have had to write this out

I appreciate all of the intelligent opinions and responses.
I didn't take this up my chain of command because she is not in my chain of command and if she was it would cause a whole bunch of shit even if she just mentioned it to anyone higher than her rank even before she decided if she wanted to pursue anything

I used to be good friends with this male marine ( we will call him marine 2) until I parted ways with him because of the shitty way he would treat a loyal friend and all the crap he would pull.
I told her she should drop his ass as well but obviously that didn't happen.
My female Marine friend is a great friend of mine and I have her best interest at hand.
Ok so marine 2 and my female friend have known each other for about four and a half years.
Crazy bitch was married to Marine 1 and cheated on marine 1 with marine 2 and marine 2 and crazy bitch had a kid as a result of adultery.crazy bitch divorced marine 1 and married marine 2. Crazy bitch got in a lot of trouble and went UA and told everyone that she had been admin sep'd. marine 2 and everyone could have gotten in a lot of trouble for harboring a fugitive etc.
Marine 2 got knocked down to a LCpl from Cpl in september and it probably has something to do with the situation.
My female friend was trying to get in touch with marine 2 after 7 months of not hearing 1 word from him so she sent him a message via myspace
Crazy bitch got on marine 2's myspace (marine 2 might have let her) and wrote a really nasty message to my friend. I would write what else was said in the message but it would get deleted. Its pretty ugly.
Obviously marine 2 and crazy bitch are completely mentally unstable and have both been pretty crazy since meeting like a year ago
Marine 2 wasn’t man enough to write my female friend and tell her what was up but had crazy bitch email her (whether he let her or not)
Marine 2 knows just about everything there is to know about my friend, her car, where she lives, her friends, where she hangs out etc
I know if a mentally unstable male Marine threatened to slit my throat, I do not think I would take it lightly.
I don't think my friend should have to watch her back every second she is in Pendleton. I will be back to Pendleton in 2 months and (I am not even going to say anything about the possibility of even seeing marine 2)
She could easily have her car vandalized or worse, have her throat slit by someone she doesn't know.
My friend has never met crazy bitch and doesn't know exactly what she looks like

This bitch is crazy and I am concerned even though I know my friend can handle her own (crazy bitch doesn't even have a chance), HOWEVER she received a pretty serious threat from someone she doesn’t know

kenny10

01-06-2009, 07:44 PM

Oh now its back again
really? you have been threatened WORSE? not worst..........
So the person on the forums in here that have threatened you..............do they know your entire name? your bday? where you live? what kind of car you drive? where you hang out? where your family lives?
DIDN'T THINK SO

mel44

01-06-2009, 08:02 PM

Ok now I am really pissed, this is the 3rd freaking time I have had to write this out

I appreciate all of the intelligent opinions and responses.
I didn't take this up my chain of command because she is not in my chain of command and if she was it would cause a whole bunch of shit even if she just mentioned it to anyone higher than her rank even before she decided if she wanted to pursue anything

I used to be good friends with this male marine ( we will call him marine 2) until I parted ways with him because of the shitty way he would treat a loyal friend and all the crap he would pull.
I told her she should drop his ass as well but obviously that didn't happen.
My female Marine friend is a great friend of mine and I have her best interest at hand.
Ok so marine 2 and my female friend have known each other for about four and a half years.
Crazy bitch was married to Marine 1 and cheated on marine 1 with marine 2 and marine 2 and crazy bitch had a kid as a result of adultery.crazy bitch divorced marine 1 and married marine 2. Crazy bitch got in a lot of trouble and went UA and told everyone that she had been admin sep'd. marine 2 and everyone could have gotten in a lot of trouble for harboring a fugitive etc.
Marine 2 got knocked down to a LCpl from Cpl in september and it probably has something to do with the situation.
My female friend was trying to get in touch with marine 2 after 7 months of not hearing 1 word from him so she sent him a message via myspace
Crazy bitch got on marine 2's myspace (marine 2 might have let her) and wrote a really nasty message to my friend. I would write what else was said in the message but it would get deleted. Its pretty ugly.
Obviously marine 2 and crazy bitch are completely mentally unstable and have both been pretty crazy since meeting like a year ago
Marine 2 wasn’t man enough to write my female friend and tell her what was up but had crazy bitch email her (whether he let her or not)
Marine 2 knows just about everything there is to know about my friend, her car, where she lives, her friends, where she hangs out etc
I know if a mentally unstable male Marine threatened to slit my throat, I do not think I would take it lightly.
I don't think my friend should have to watch her back every second she is in Pendleton. I will be back to Pendleton in 2 months and (I am not even going to say anything about the possibility of even seeing marine 2)
She could easily have her car vandalized or worse, have her throat slit by someone she doesn't know.
My friend has never met crazy bitch and doesn't know exactly what she looks like

This bitch is crazy and I am concerned even though I know my friend can handle her own (crazy bitch doesn't even have a chance), HOWEVER she received a pretty serious threat from someone she doesn’t know

Ken
I got it. Guess my mind winds along the same path :). I have the same concerns your do. Its these kind of situations that end up with a dead Marine and everyone scratching their heads saying "well we knew she was having a problem with someone but we didn’t think it was this bad" The reason I sent you to law enforcement is its kind of a back door to action. Once civilian authorities get involved then upper command has to pay attention and act. Otherwise you may get some of the same reaction you have had here.

I don’t really think you would have brought it here to get advice unless you already thought it was more serious than a female drama issue. I have seen what can happen when a couple of psychos get together and decide to terrorize and individual. You are straight on seeking help and direction. Your a good friend so go that extra step and insist she makes the report. In our command a serious situation like this we would not be put off by going directly to CO. Sometimes things are confidential and don’t need to be spread through the troops.

mel44

01-06-2009, 08:40 PM

#21 Today, 05:18 PM
hawk71049
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Re: crazy question

This is CPT Morse, mel44's husband. I am trying to figure out why exactly this seemingly unrelated conversation was posted to the middle of this thread. It seems to me that someone has come to this forum for advice on a potentially deadly situation (just look at CNN for the most recent murder of a young female Soldier/Marine). Your suggestion, which if I understand it correctly was to blow the whole thing off, is duly noted. Most of the rest of us seem to disagree. If you have something constructive to add to the conversation, by all means, please contribute it. Otherwise, please keep out of the way so the rest of us can converse in peace.

kenny10

01-06-2009, 08:45 PM

Ken
I got it. Guess my mind winds along the same path :). I have the same concerns your do. Its these kind of situations that end up with a dead Marine and everyone scratching their heads saying "well we knew she was having a problem with someone but we didn’t think it was this bad" The reason I sent you to law enforcement is its kind of a back door to action. Once civilian authorities get involved then upper command has to pay attention and act. Otherwise you may get some of the same reaction you have had here.

I don’t really think you would have brought it here to get advice unless you already thought it was more serious than a female drama issue. I have seen what can happen when a couple of psychos get together and decide to terrorize and individual. You are straight on seeking help and direction. Your a good friend so go that extra step and insist she makes the report. In our command a serious situation like this we would not be put off by going directly to CO. Sometimes things are confidential and don’t need to be spread through the troops.

She kind of wants to bring it up and she kind of doesn't. I told her she should just in case something does happen to her OR her family OR her car etc
No one knows what the crazy bitch is really thinking or what she will do. she may be jealous because of the message my friend sent and try and kill her
who the heck knows how crazy this girl is
my friend is also getting out very soon and doesnt want anything to get in the way of that

mel44

01-06-2009, 08:56 PM

She kind of wants to bring it up and she kind of doesn't. I told her she should just in case something does happen to her OR her family OR her car etc
No one knows what the crazy bitch is really thinking or what she will do. she may be jealous because of the message my friend sent and try and kill her
who the heck knows how crazy this girl is
my friend is also getting out very soon and doesnt want anything to get in the way of that

Ken,
CPT Morse here. I recommend she file a report with the chain of command and/or the MPs/NCIS. Best to nip this in the bud before it really does get out of hand. Then she should stay as far away from the two of them as humanly possible.

Hope this helps.

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-06-2009, 10:32 PM

kenny10

01-06-2009, 11:30 PM

Hmmmm.... Trying to get this straight...

She got threatened on myspace by her friend's wife? She basically wanted some feedback about what to do.

blah, blah, blah

OIF, suggested either forgetting it; filing a report with MPs or following chain of command.

blah, blah, blah

Final suggestion file a report with MPs and/or follow chain of command.

Does that sum it all up?

ETA: If the wife used her hubby's myspace account to send the threat, how is it possible to prove that it was actually the wife that did it and not the hubby or some other person with the password? Just curious because MySpace Accts are hacked all the time.

~Ax M.Ed. (just cause I felt like throwing around titles)

The account wasn't hacked and you can always find what IP address it came from etc. I saw the email and this "hacker" would have to know just about everything about the person. It wasn't from a hacker.
IP address thats how its possible........doesn't matter which one it was, both of them can be charged and recieve MPO's

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-06-2009, 11:51 PM

The account wasn't hacked and you can always find what IP address it came from etc. I saw the email and this "hacker" would have to know just about everything about the person. It wasn't from a hacker.
IP address thats how its possible........doesn't matter which one it was, both of them can be charged and recieve MPO's

How do you know it wasn't hacked? Did you witness her log into that MySpace account, type out the letter and send it?

Yes, it is true that IP addresses can be traced. But until it is traced at this point it's all speculation. Also stands to reason that if the IP addy was traced to...say... an internet cafe ... then it could quite possibly be anyone in that cafe.

Yes, I've seen Law and Order, and people can be tracked and perhaps there was a camera in said cafe, therefore it can be proven who the "hacker" really is.

You'd be amazed what someone can find out about a person on the internet with just a name and location. Google your name sometime, you might be surprised.

You're right both could be charged and receive MPOs (Whatever that is) but that would put this girl's friend's career in jeopardy and even if he were cleared there'd always be that lingering question/doubt.

There in lies the catch 22. If she reports and the authorities see fit to use the manpower to track down the offender she'd might get her friend in trouble.

BTW, I've been stalked. I took the steps I needed to ensure my safety. I live in Texas. God Bless the right to shoot to kill an intruder.

kenny10

01-06-2009, 11:58 PM

How do you know it wasn't hacked? Did you witness her log into that MySpace account, type out the letter and send it?

Yes, it is true that IP addresses can be traced. But until it is traced at this point it's all speculation. Also stands to reason that if the IP addy was traced to...say... an internet cafe ... then it could quite possibly be anyone in that cafe.

Yes, I've seen Law and Order, and people can be tracked and perhaps there was a camera in said cafe, therefore it can be proven who the "hacker" really is.

You'd be amazed what someone can find out about a person on the internet with just a name and location. Google your name sometime, you might be surprised.

You're right both could be charged and receive MPOs (Whatever that is) but that would put this girl's friend's career in jeopardy and even if he were cleared there'd always be that lingering question/doubt.

There in lies the catch 22. If she reports and the authorities see fit to use the manpower to track down the offender she'd might get her friend in trouble.

BTW, I've been stalked. I took the steps I needed to ensure my safety. I live in Texas. God Bless the right to shoot to kill an intruder.

She is not friends with either of the two suspects anymore so I highly doubt she gives a crap. It came from one of the two, I'm positive
if something does happen then she has her angles covered, like say she does get in a physical altercation or gets her car tires slashed etc

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 12:02 AM

She is not friends with either of the two suspects anymore so I highly doubt she gives a crap. It came from one of the two, I'm positive
if something does happen then she has her angles covered, like say she does get in a physical altercation or gets her car tires slashed etc

Hopefully it won't come to that.

kenny10

01-07-2009, 12:05 AM

Hopefully it won't come to that.

well god only knows with the two nutjobs running around together and what they are capable of

mel44

01-07-2009, 12:10 AM

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 12:13 AM

well god only knows with the two nutjobs running around together and what they are capable of

True but the world is full of nut jobs running around collaborating to wreck havoc on the unsuspecting.

kenny10

01-07-2009, 12:14 AM

mel44

01-07-2009, 12:26 AM

yeah she is going to go to her gunny for advice, her gunny is pretty cool
I agree with starting the paper trail..........and these two idiots are not even smart enough to come up with the excuse that it was hacked

I agree. Usually these tough guy type of cowards usually are quick to admit they did something like this usually because they think there is justification for this kind of behavior. It usually is because people delete e-mail and forget about it instead of making people accountable for bad/criminal behavior. Being a Marine is a privilege not a right and should be help with the highest esteem. This kind of behavior devalues the Corps as a whole and everyone privy totthis information should be making a report . I dont care how many reports NCIS gets. Do we quit reporting crimes because everyone does it and its just to much to look into? I wonder if the parents of the young marine killed a few weeks ago feel this way? Cpt. Morse says good for her! Tell her if she needs any support let us know.

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 12:29 AM

Ken - Mel here - the point is to start the paper trail. If you don’t report now and start the process then if it does escalate once your home there is no foundation to work on.

It is not up to her to prove they did it, it will their responsibility to prove it was hacked. This will be similar to a letter that is signed. If they say they didn’t do it then they will have to show some evidence they were not on their computer at that time. I am sure they were logged into their computer whether at work or at home and they probably had other activity as well.

Military administrative actions do not have to line up with civilian law case and verse.

Administrative action does not have to be accepted by the accused. He/she can request a court martial. However this is information that civilians, not really connected to the military, would necessarily know or understand the process, so don’t let civilian insight sway your final decision.

Military law is different with different guidelines and processes

So the accused (the person who has been accused of the crime) doesn't have to accept administrative action but he/she can request a court martial. Doesn't take a military genius to figure out that if the accused is going to pick his/her punishment then they'd pick the lesser of two evils.

But again Kenny, both the Capt and OIF suggested to follow chain of command and/or file a report. You got great advice from two individuals in the military and not just the opinion of a civilian that lives with one, dates one or is friends with one.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that if a person feels threatened then it should be reported whether you're a civilian or in the military.

Again, I hope the best for your friend. I've walked a mile in those shoes and it wasn't fun.

mel44

01-07-2009, 12:42 AM

Pssst Ax - court martial is not a punishment its simply a militery trial. Its the eqivalent of a civilian hearing.

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 12:43 AM

Pssst Ax - court martial is not a punishment its simply a militery trial. Its the eqivalent of a civilian hearing.

psst mel... yes but the outcome could be a lot worse than a slap on the wrist.

mel44

01-07-2009, 12:51 AM

psst mel... yes but the outcome could be a lot worse than a slap on the wrist.

Then you are assuming they are guilty? It would be common sense if you are guilty to embrace admin. discipline. My statement was if they do not agree with the admin then they have the option of going to court to prove their innocents. In this case if they did not send the e-mail, as you stated may be the case. Now if all this happens off base then civilian police is also a very good resource and very well may be the avenue the military takes. The local police liaison is right across the hall from the MP's and may be asked to intervene.

mel44

01-07-2009, 12:54 AM

psst mel... yes but the outcome could be a lot worse than a slap on the wrist.

I noticed you changed your signature. I dont wear my HUSBANDS rank either HE DOES.

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 01:01 AM

Then you are assuming they are guilty? It would be common sense if you are guilty to embrace admin. discipline. My statement was if they do not agree with the admin then they have the option of going to court to prove their innocents. In this case if they did not send the e-mail, as you stated may be the case. Now if all this happens off base then civilian police is also a very good resource and very well may be the avenue the military takes. The local police liaison is right across the hall from the MP's and may be asked to intervene.

You're right, if they need to prove their innocence then going to trial may be the only route to take.

I'm not assuming anything. There are too many variables in this situation. At this point, where it took place, who said it, etc. etc. is all speculation. I don't know without a doubt that they did or did not send the e-mail in question.

And the reality is that unless something happens, the likelihood of it being investigated is not real good. At this point all she can do is start the paper trail, whether she's a civilian or in the military. It's unfortunate that it happened and she feels threatened but law enforcement (military or civilian) is often times too busy dealing with bigger crimes, and cannot or will not use the manpower, money or time to investigate.

kenny10

01-07-2009, 01:40 AM

There is nothing to investigate
Both of the accused are POS Marines and have had bad records their entire enlisment and my friend is a stellar Marine, no NJP's , no problems not even one negative counseling.
There is nothing to deny, she threatened my friend and the message proves it. Its saved and its not going anywhere. Either she did or he did it, either way a Military protective order can be placed on the individual and my friend only wants this done to cover her ass in case something ever does happen
its a death threat and what kind of black eye would this put on the military if something did happen to her and they knew about it??!?!?!?!
she has never been in trouble and is getting out in a few months, she wants to cover her ass

mel44

01-07-2009, 01:40 AM

You're right, if they need to prove their innocence then going to trial may be the only route to take.

I'm not assuming anything. There are too many variables in this situation. At this point, where it took place, who said it, etc. etc. is all speculation. I don't know without a doubt that they did or did not send the e-mail in question.

And the reality is that unless something happens, the likelihood of it being investigated is not real good. At this point all she can do is start the paper trail, whether she's a civilian or in the military. It's unfortunate that it happened and she feels threatened but law enforcement (military or civilian) is often times too busy dealing with bigger crimes, and cannot or will not use the manpower, money or time to investigate.

This is really not completely accurate. Since the indiduals involved are affiliated with the military, the chain of command has both the ability and the resposibility to investigate the incident once it has been reported. While the chain of command may choose not to punish the offenders if they don't have enough evidence to support a charge, they will most likely enforce a no contact order (similar to a restraining order) to prevent any further incident. This will start the paper trail, as you mentioned, and may well deter any other nonsense by putting the offenders on notice.

If the incident happened as described, it is clearly in the victim's best interest to report it and request help in preventing future nonsense.

hawk71049

01-07-2009, 01:51 AM

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oh jeez MYSPACE. scratch what I wrote lol man, just young people effing around like always. Cannot act like a mature MGF for once lol.
I think others have expressed more appropriate measures of what to and not to do… other than a single civilian MFG and her opinion…

Mind your own business and have her delete the email. Stupid is as stupid does or drama is as drama does.
Stupid is as stupid does nothing… and pays for it... the rest of their life.

we will either just say the say thing to the complainant or have her write a sworn statement and keep it on file. Soldiers/Marines fight daily and constantly over the pettiness of crap. e.g. boyfriend/girlfriend, best rap music, who has the best car and so-on and so-on. Let it be and dont make a mountain out of a molehill.
This is another reason to take your statement to civilian authorities. They will by the nature of your statement follow up, and take action if deemed necessary, in effect ensuring the military respond accordingly.

kenny,

Neither of us know each other, I’m a nature freak… love the out of doors. I do in fact fly the Female… Red Tail hawk at query... rabbits… squirrels and every now and then a pheasant here and there. My choice for the female… they are wild by nature, larger than the male… you never know exactly what they are going to do, they are very spirited… they are better equipped to fend for themselves and their young. After the chase and capture of their prey (usually done by the talons clinching the scruff of the preys upper neck) not one second is lost in snapping the preys neck and ripping the jugular vein from the throat… it’s about the natural order of things… it’s what the bird of prey does in order to thrive… their prey more often than not… is weak due to sickness… injuries… environmental conditions… etc… its survival of the fittest. The prey truly is the victim.

My Red Tails survival is out of necessity… survival of the fittest.

The difference between this crazy “Psycho Chic” bitch and my Red Tail... one survives out of necessity, the natural order of things, I fly my Red Tail out of respect for the species, preservation of its kind, proud of being a part of its world, not the other way around… while the other survives through victimization, hate and discontent… probably some form of sick attention, heck who knows… that’s why you titled her the “Psycho Chic” the bitch from hell.

I know this, I would leave the details of what is or is not discovered up to the professionals, was the system hacked or not, the who did it thing you know.. let the pros do their job… it’s been said in life we have but a hand full of friends, we are there for them when the chips are down, we guide them on their journey. We tell them what they already know sometimes… and what they don’t, we confront them with what they are not willing to face, standing by their side. Start the paper trail, fill out the paper work or not it’s your call… Good luck… hawk

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kenny10

01-07-2009, 02:01 AM

Thank you for your opinion and she is taking the steps she needs to in order to ensure her safety and to watch out for her best interest

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 03:07 AM

The account wasn't hacked and you can always find what IP address it came from etc. I saw the email and this "hacker" would have to know just about everything about the person. It wasn't from a hacker.
IP address thats how its possible........doesn't matter which one it was, both of them can be charged and recieve MPO's

IP addresses can be spoofed or using NAT addresses which doesnt identify the individual, so tell me what is the computer crime (e.g. credit card transaction fraud, espionage, child porn) to get computer forensics involved or a warrant to see someone's PC (and if you are not computer technical, you dont have a clue on how IP addressing works)? Threatening emails dont get people arrested but if happened on a work computer (in the civilian world), this can get them terminated since the email wasnt work related (violation of acceptable use policy). The email could of been sent from a friend's house, library, etc. Plus on myspace, its not an email (email uses the smtp protocol, myspace just uses the inhouse message feature which can be linked to a bogus yahoo account). Matter like this has to be admitted from the horse's mouth. But anyway, take the real experts advice since I never dealt with matters such as these :rolleyes: You have to look at all the variables.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 03:17 AM

yeah right.......

Yeah you know everything I forgot. Super Savior just put on your costume with the H on the chest and fly to Camp Pendleton and work your magic powers and case closed but IMHO, your advice was off-target. Great concern as always though and enjoy your day. Loved the story of the hawk and the prey. Very original.

You keep on with the civilian authorities when there is nothing they could do. This is a military matter. Only when an actual crime has been committed in the civilian community (for example off base), then its a matter for civilian authorities. Lets just assume that the Marine lives on Camp Pendleton. Where does the civilian authorities take place? Also for the Marine in Okinawa, is she going to go to the Japanese police to file? A big resounding negative. Point is that if a serviceman has a concern that needs to be handled by law enforcement, that serviceman goes to the MP station first not civilian authorities unless obviously that person is in an emergency off-base.

Also, Kenny if your friend is a SGT, she should know how to handle things by now or wouldnt have made that rank. Let her handle her personal issues like an NCO should. Because if they are nutjobs like you said; then the NCO shouldnt have written any message to the nutjob in the first place. I doubt the exchange went like this...

"hi LCPL or whatever his rank is, (if he is a non-rate, then the NCO shouldnt be fraternizing or dating this Marine so the NCO is wrong) this is SGT so and so; just thinking about you and us and what happened and wish we could talk"

then the response was " I am a marine too and I slash you throat" or whatever was the whole email in question.

Why are always the other side that are considered nutjobs? ;) (and regardless everyone involved are United States Marines) Why always the servicemen that are not known directly are the bad, unsavvy ones? I bet the other marines will tell a different tale. If you didnt see the SRB pages 11 and 12 of the Marines in question and dont know them personally then its all just hearsay.

So Hawk, my point being there is alot missing from the tale so dont get too wrapped up with the advice. You have to be very subjective in manners like this. Just like here when things get heated, there are alot of exchanges first between the TWO GUILTY parties which will then lead to the heated exchange.

Great signature AX I love it

But again Kenny, both the Capt and OIF suggested to follow chain of command and/or file a report. .

Ax, you made me think of the CAPT and Tennile lol. Awesome singing group.

hawk71049

01-07-2009, 10:04 AM

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oh jeez MYSPACE. scratch what I wrote lol man, just young people effing around like always. Cannot act like a mature MGF for once lol.

Mind your own business and have her delete the email. Stupid is as stupid does or drama is as drama does.

we will either just say the say thing to the complainant or have her write a sworn statement and keep it on file. Soldiers/Marines fight daily and constantly over the pettiness of crap. e.g. boyfriend/girlfriend, best rap music, who has the best car and so-on and so-on. Let it be and dont make a mountain out of a molehill.

Yeah you know everything I forgot. Super Savior just put on your costume with the H on the chest and fly to Camp Pendleton and work your magic powers and case closed but IMHO, your advice was off-target

OIF, as a result of your above 3 quotes... it is obvious to me... had you been the military authority kenny had first seen regarding this manner... you would have 1)brushed it off or 2) possibly taken his/her report (had you been in Okinawa) … filing it... to what reads like... to never be reviewed again, that Sir, is exactly why kenny wishes to leave Active Duty! Hell, I don't blame him what so ever....

You keep on with the civilian authorities when there is nothing they could do.
While in the military and stationed at both MCB CamPen & MCB CLNC.. I/we did work with the civilian authorities; you would be surprised what results from actions behind closed doors when military & civilians authorities work hand in hand to resolve issues, and this is truly what we are after here… right?..... solutions… as opposed to drawn out legal battles, you are right… loose lips do sink ships… most generally actions result through interrogations and matters as such.

Kenny or his female friend are not after some process of keeping his/her butt covered from the top side of a chair in a court room, he/she wants to make sure no one is hurt and or personal property damaged.

Why are always the other side that are considered nutjobs? ;) (and regardless everyone involved are United States Marines) Why always the servicemen that are not known directly are the bad, unsavvy ones? I bet the other marines will tell a different tale. If you didnt see the SRB pages 11 and 12 of the Marines in question and dont know them personally then its all just hearsay.
This is not for Kenny… its simply not his job… this action will take place through the convening authority. Civilian and or Military w/e...working together.

So Hawk, my point being there is alot missing from the tale so dont get too wrapped up with the advice. You have to be very subjective in manners like this. Just like here when things get heated, there are alot of exchanges first between the TWO GUILTY parties which will then lead to the heated exchange.

See, here’s the deal OIF, you would be surprised what can be accomplished over the phone from one Commanding Officer to another Commanding Officer. Most issues are settled in just that manner…. Hell, these type issues don’t see court…. you know that as well as I do. BTW, I would have spoken to my Commanding Officer just as I said... I would have, informally, my Commanding Officer respected me/us, he listened. I never had to request mast, we (all his Marines) were that tight! Sure he wanted minor issues handled through the chain of command, that's what it's there for, that’s why we have NCO’s. He would have listened, he would have taken action! That's what we do… we take care of our own… That is exactly what kenny is after no more no less…… hawk

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mel44

01-07-2009, 12:38 PM

Yeah you know everything I forgot. Super Savior just put on your costume with the H on the chest and fly to Camp Pendleton and work your magic powers and case closed but IMHO, your advice was off-target. Great concern as always though and enjoy your day. Loved the story of the hawk and the prey. Very original.
This is so inappropriate. This constitutes a personal attack and has nothing to do with topic. A man of your position and rank should show a little more restraint and respect. Once again your violation of community rules and expectations has exceeded tolerance. Done with it.

You keep on with the civilian authorities when there is nothing they could do. Obviously your experience with civilian law is limited and misinformed. Electronic harassment is a crime punishable by jail/fine. This type of harassment falls under the stalking laws as well as making death threats. My brother-in-law just got out of county jail in Austin for this very thing. This behavior is taken very serious. The family advocacy unit works within the local PD’s to make sure this behavior is addressed and convicted in the effort to stop violence not after it occurs but before. If you speak to some local police you will find some of the same attitude as you have displayed but local cops don’t make the laws and when reported and persecuted through the DA. There is help and certain jail time.

This is a military matter. Only when an actual crime has been committed in the civilian community (for example off base), then its a matter for civilian authorities.

Sending threatening e-mails is a crime.

Lets just assume that the Marine lives on Camp Pendleton. Where does the civilian authorities take place?

There are many situation that the military works directly with local authorities. Despite your attitude that they are not interested in crimes its been my experience they are

Also for the Marine in Okinawa, is she going to go to the Japanese police to file? A big resounding negative.
She is not threatened in Okinawa but if she were they certainly would be a help if she needed it.

Point is that if a serviceman has a concern that needs to be handled by law enforcement, that serviceman goes to the MP station If he receives the attitude you have displayed what would be the point. Thank god there are some good MP/law enforcement out there that has an interest in the safety and well being of everyone and not just the cool guys

first not civilian authorities unless obviously that person is in an emergency off-base.Duhhh

Also, Kenny if your friend is a SGT, she should know how to handle things by now or wouldnt have made that rank.
It is appereant she does know how to handle it. Report and use the resources available

Let her handle her personal issues like an NCO should. Because if they are nutjobs like you said; then the NCO shouldnt have written any message to the nutjob in the first place. Thank goodness there are skilled law enforcement out there

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 12:56 PM

Yeah you know everything I forgot. Super Savior just put on your costume with the H on the chest and fly to Camp Pendleton and work your magic powers and case closed but IMHO, your advice was off-target. Great concern as always though and enjoy your day. Loved the story of the hawk and the prey. Very original.

You keep on with the civilian authorities when there is nothing they could do. This is a military matter. Only when an actual crime has been committed in the civilian community (for example off base), then its a matter for civilian authorities. Lets just assume that the Marine lives on Camp Pendleton. Where does the civilian authorities take place? Also for the Marine in Okinawa, is she going to go to the Japanese police to file? A big resounding negative. Point is that if a serviceman has a concern that needs to be handled by law enforcement, that serviceman goes to the MP station first not civilian authorities unless obviously that person is in an emergency off-base.

Also, Kenny if your friend is a SGT, she should know how to handle things by now or wouldnt have made that rank. Let her handle her personal issues like an NCO should. Because if they are nutjobs like you said; then the NCO shouldnt have written any message to the nutjob in the first place. I doubt the exchange went like this...

"hi LCPL or whatever his rank is, (if he is a non-rate, then the NCO shouldnt be fraternizing or dating this Marine so the NCO is wrong) this is SGT so and so; just thinking about you and us and what happened and wish we could talk"

then the response was " I am a marine too and I slash you throat" or whatever was the whole email in question.

Why are always the other side that are considered nutjobs? ;) (and regardless everyone involved are United States Marines) Why always the servicemen that are not known directly are the bad, unsavvy ones? I bet the other marines will tell a different tale. If you didnt see the SRB pages 11 and 12 of the Marines in question and dont know them personally then its all just hearsay.

So Hawk, my point being there is alot missing from the tale so dont get too wrapped up with the advice. You have to be very subjective in manners like this. Just like here when things get heated, there are alot of exchanges first between the TWO GUILTY parties which will then lead to the heated exchange.

Great signature AX I love it

Ax, you made me think of the CAPT and Tennile lol. Awesome singing group.

Thank you Dahling! I know you think it's as awesome as I am!! ;) ;)

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 01:09 PM

I guess when I receive an email from anyone on here without my explicit permission, that can be considered harrassment or searching for someone on AKO to initiate a SITCOM can be considered the same in the eyes of the beholder. Anyway, the pot always calling the kettle black!! Whenever someone dont like confrontations or easily afraid; they the ones that run to the authorities immediately. Where I came from; you witnessed this type of disputes all of the time and nobody is arrested or anything. No need to get people unnecessarily in trouble with the law or a record due to anger or jealousy but if there is a pattern and an extreme violation then action is enforced. Like I stated before that was responded with a sneering reply was that yes I have been threatened; from my street life; in college, military and in law enforcement due to fights and arguments but many times LE was not needed to be involved or we handled it like men. Again, these are opinions given by anyone and its a free for all; the OP will make the final choice and decision. I could care less what choice he makes. There are more things happening in my own life than to get to tangling ass with this. Just my humble opinion.

Obviously a threatening email to POTUS or the TSA is handled much different than to Jody!

I was arrested eons ago on a flat out lie and the court took the other party's words over mine. It wasnt fair and I drove on but I learned that people can make up anything they like to get someone in trouble. Know the facts. Its impossible to know the facts from where you are sitting right now. Impossible and if you think different; then continue enjoying the fantasy world.

And two things I learned with my almost 20 years of military service. Not all military branches have the same protocol when handling matters and what was done twenty years ago; its not done today. With my many years as a border patrol agent (knowing criminal and statutory laws) and MP; its great to see "outsiders" talk shop. Similar to the barracks lawyers. As we say in the military "I love it when someone tries to tell me how to do my job!"

[B]http://www.upenn.edu/computing/security/advisories/forgery.php

Harassment
For obvious reasons, forgery and harassment by e-mail often go hand-in-hand. More often than not, the person sending harassing messages doesn't want his/her identity known. Sometimes, though, the person will make their identity clear, and will clearly state the reasoning behind the activity. Not surprisingly, it's often the case that the person doesn't consider the activity to be "harassment".

Dealing with e-mail harassment (or, in some cases, Usenet newsgroup harassment) is among the most difficult computing security issues to evaluate and give advice on, because it can take so many different forms. In some cases, the person sending the messages will either clearly be threatening an illegal act or will give clear evidence of that intent. In most cases, though, the issues are much less clear. The content of the messages may or may not constitute harrassment under the law, and even if it does, may not rise to the level of a criminal offense. There may possibly be some grounds for civil action, but that would have to be discussed with your own lawyer or legal representative.

The truth is that, in the overwhelming majority of instances, the harassment stems from some breakdown in a personal relationship between the parties, e.g,. a romantic relationship recently ended, a debt owed (or believed to be owed), etc., and there is no basis for legal action in what amounts to a personal dispute. Often, the person being subjected to the harassment recognizes this, has no interest in pursing legal remedies, and simply wants the harassment to stop. In this instance, it is sometimes effective to reply once - and once only - to the harasser with a message that says, in about this many words, "You've had your say. I wish not to receive any more e-mail from you. This will be my last message to you." Then, stick to it - if the messages continue to come, do not reply, but save them in the event they become useful in a future legal action.

Again, dealing with e-mail harassment is very difficult. If you believe you are the subject of harassing e-mail (Note: we do not consider "spam" to be harassment.), then feel free to contact ISC Information Security at security@isc.upenn.edu or (215) 898-2172 and we will be glad to help you evaluate the situation.It is also a good idea to contact the Postmaster for your mail system (usually 'postmaster@<yourmailserver>').

However, the following is always good advice:

If you believe at any time that your personal safety, or that of any other person is in danger, or that a crime has been or will be committed, you should report it immediately to Penn Public Safety at 511 (on campus) or 215-573-3333 (off campus).

A Few Other Things To Consider:
Be careful what you say in e-mail. This is good advice not only in cases where harassment is a possible issue, and you might not want to inflame or complicate it by saying something that would aggravate the situation, it's good advice anytime you're using e-mail to communicate. Electronic messaging is certainly fast and efficient, but the person at the other end can't see the "body English" and non-verbal cues you would normally use in conversation to indicate what you really mean. "Smileys" and other "emoticons" help, but be aware that the words on the screen may not be received in exactly the way you intended.
Don't send sensitive or confidential information in e-mail. Remember that e-mail is not a secure medium. Yes, it's "electronic mail", but rather than being analogous to a letter in a sealed envelope, as most people tend to think of it, it is actually more like a postcard that can be intercepted and read by any number of people between sender and receiver. Especially, never send information such as your Social Security Number, financial account numbers, date of birth, or other personal data that could be used to commit identity theft. If you need to identify yourself to Penn support staff through e-mail, use your PennID (the middle group of 8 digits on your PennCard). This should be all the info they need.
Don't jump to conclusions. Remember, e-mail is easily forged, so the person who appears to be the culprit may well be innocent. If the content of a message seems out-of-character, give the sender the benefit of a doubt, and remember that the words on the screen don't always accurately convey what the sender actually meant. Before firing back, verify the sender's identity (if possible) and that they didn't mean it to be humorous or sarcastic.
Guard your password(s). If you share your account passwords with anyone, you not only give that person a "license to impersonate", you also cannot be sure who else that person has given your password to.

Enjoy this link as well and its subsequent links at the bottom
http://www.tinhat.com/harassment/cyberstalking.html

I loved the yahoo one.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080729154126AABFKs4 The best answer chosen by voters is to get the FBI involved lol You gotta love the online advice by supposed know it alls lol.

Proud Mom

01-07-2009, 01:21 PM

Thank you OIF, that was a very informative post.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 01:45 PM

Thank you OIF, that was a very informative post.

De nada!!!

I loved the yahoo one.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/in...9154126AABFKs4 The best answer chosen by voters is to get the FBI involved lol You gotta love the online advice by supposed know it alls lol.

mel44

01-07-2009, 03:02 PM

The whole point to this thread, of course, is to get Kenny the right information to help him deal with a problem in his life. As for the other issues I believe they fall along these same lines. When someone asks to be left alone they mean it. Alice pointed something out to me a while back that was very valid. You need to be careful who and how you address people on a public forum because you never really know who your talking to and how you might affect their lives or more importantly how they are going to affect yours. As with these two Marines, all the members of the military, whether they are direct soldiers/marines or their immediate family, we all represent our nations military and need to conduct ourselves as such. Everyone has a bad day and says things they don’t mean or to harshly, but a continual downgrading of someone constitutes abuse and should never be tolerated in private or public. If I witnessed a car speeding down my street and swerving around cars and children I would be quick to gel the license number and make a report. It is not only my responsibility to protect the other people in my neighborhood, I have a right to try to get this person off the street, in the attempt to protect unsuspecting pedestrians. If you want to drive drunk or dangerously do it where/when I am not around its just that simple. If you don’t want to get reported for threatening e-mails don’t send them to someone that will turn them in. It really is that simple.

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 04:10 PM

OIF, I am so impressed with your vast knowledge. Thank you for being so insightful.

BTW, I am posting just so you can admire my siggy again!

(((OIF))) mua

mel44

01-07-2009, 04:27 PM

Kenny sorry for the thread jack that is so common around here trying to get it resolved and back to your issue. please keep us informaed on the progress. Do what you think is right. A few mistakes are much better than doing nothing at all. People usually end up hurt or dead because nothing was done.

Proud Mom

01-07-2009, 05:01 PM

I got hate calls from a young lady that was "interested" in my husband while they were both active duty.

We were at a squadron function and I just casually mentioned I'd beat her Adouble squirmy wormy from one end of the flightline and back after I told her next in chain of command...calls stopped

But Kenny you got some decent advice on here. The ball is in your friends court and advise to not antagnonize the situation by trying to make further contact.

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 05:03 PM

My posts about the chain of command was for Kenny to tell the female Marine to use; not Kenny. And if an NCO is supposedly derelict from a junior's view, he/she still has to use the change of command (meaning going through their sergeant) if they like it or not. Unless the NCO is relief for cause, that NCO still has a job to do.

!!

psst...OIF, you let me know if I can do anything for you. I will be more than happy to testify about what is being said and done on the forum. It's quite obvious who continually baits others and operates with a gang mentality.

Perhaps we should print this out and take it to POTUS for some justice. ;)

ETA: mua! ;)

Thank you my internet friend lol

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 05:06 PM

CMSBROWN

01-07-2009, 05:13 PM

Man...I t sounds like the Marines version of Days of our Lives....

axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 05:15 PM

Man...I t sounds like the Marines version of Days of our Lives....

nahhhhhhhhh... As the World Turns...

Remember the Marines have the world as part of their emblem. :tongue:

CommunityEditor

01-07-2009, 07:16 PM

Many posts have been removed from this thread for numerous reasons including, but not limited to -- member harassment and off topic posts.

It's also interesting to note that those that report inappropriate posts of others are as guilty of doing the same.

Folks, a member asked for advice. Did anyone really think that everyone would have the same advice to give? This thread has been reviewed in its entirety. Differing opinions are to be expected, especially when personal experience leads to a different outcome.

Bottom line is to recognize that differences will occur ... that the original poster was looking for advice ... both of which occurred.

Carry on ...

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axscntU8_Dpstv

01-07-2009, 07:21 PM

Yes, Ma'am...

OIFCOMBATVETNYC

01-07-2009, 07:52 PM

Yes, Ma'am...

Roger dodger but I dont send complaints to Alice cause that is kindergarten stuff. "Mommy, look at what he said to me and stuck out his tongue too" ;p I didnt know this website was a job to the users that lounge here that acting unprofessional came into play. There are alot of other users I guess that need policing and counseling up. But to some, the biggest threat has to be taken out.

Anyway, I am down memory lane and I remember when I came back from war and all I wanted to do was breathe the air and see loved ones; spend time with the kids and do you know what. I never wasted time online or even here after that event. You fight for your country and just happy to be alive and just decompress!! There is much more to life than a web forum.

Adios, Good night and good luck ;) didnt mean to threadjack.