Re-Enlisting as an A1C

[chr8189]

Hello everybody,

I have a question, and im hoping I can get a little help, without getting torn up.

I don't know if anyone here remember's me from before, but I was the Airman who attempted, and succeeded at fighting a separation decesion back in September. (basically i was injured in the pararescue indoc towards the end, and was DQued from my job, with pararescue being my guaranteed job)

Well I did separate, and know I am going thru the re-enlistment process in the Air Force Reserve.

I wanted to stay in the Air Force from the getgo, but I felt threatened by the reclass program. I would have not been able to have any say in my next AFSC for my remaining 6 yr contract.

This questions is really targeted for reservists, MTL's, AETC personnel, and anyone who can help.

I will be considered prior service, but my recruiter advised me I would probably have to go back thru the AETC Tech School dorms, and phase programs. (he didnt seem to sure)

Although I was only in the AF for a grand total of 9 months, I spent all but 6 1/2 weeks in a tech school environment. More than 20 weeks, which is twice as long as the average tech school.

I wanted to know, as an A1C, would I be able to stay in lodging like any other prior service member?

I remember seeing other A1C's that were going thru courses on Lackland stay in lodging. (keep in mind they were also cross training)

I just am trying to avoid a few things:

1. In my recent Active Duty course, the prior service members HAD to sleep in the dorms, regradless of ranks, Capt, sgt, A1C's, anybody because of they type of course, and alot of them got sick, because they were not used to living with 200 people on the same floor. I AM HOPING NOT TO SPEND ANYTIME IN BED ON A PROFILE, I JUST WANT TO TRAIN AND RETURN HOME.

2. Also, being in Tech School so long, I don't wont to go thru it again. I learned everything I could possibly learn from the dorms, how to clean the spotless floor all day, and how to CQ every weekend, and how to share a room, and all that great stuff.

3. I really want my Girlfriend of 2 years to come up more (she flys for free), in my last Tech School, she came up once a month (7 times) but with the AIRMAN LEADERS, they would place me on CQ, even when I put in a request notifying them 2 weeks in advance, and only the weekends she came up.

I may sound like im complaining, but I just feel its going to be hard to jump right back into the dorms after being out for this long and going from Air Force to College to Air Force Reserve and then eventually back to college.

I WILL go back in the dorms if I must, but like anyone else, if I am eligable for something better, why not jump on it.

I know this Military is not about me, its about serving my country, and I have no problem with that.


CHRIS

[Smeghead]

Apparently it is all about you. Same as your last thread. Needs of the Air Force and Service before Self mean nothing to you.

I hope you get everything you ever want, every day. For the rest of your life.

See, I ended it nicely.

[VFFSSGT]

How about you deal with what the Air Force throws at you and learn to adjust.

Welcome to military life; it's not about you and we don't cater to your wants.

[ringjamesa]

I would venture to guess that you would be considered a pipeline student as you should be. There are plenty of A1C pipeline students so you will fit right in. You will get the pleasue of the phase program again starting with phase 1 day 1. You will more than likely be considered like one of the few who do the Split Training Option. I doubt very much that you will be allowed to stay in billetting-why would you you have yet to complete training in another AFSC...

[MACHINE666]

How about you deal with what the Air Force throws at you and learn to adjust.

Welcome to military life; it's not about you and we don't cater to your wants.

How about he get out and the Air Force loses a talented individual? If that's the common mentality for alot of leadership (unspoken) then no wonder peoples morale is crappy. I know mine is ever since I was involuntarily cross-trained. I miss being a paramedic.

No - the Air Force pitches quality of life and job opportunities as a primary means of getting people to enlist in the first place. Although it's nothing like it was 20 years ago, we can still allow people to apply for different AFSCs and still get the mission done.

[VFFSSGT]

This guy's gripe isn't a quality of life issue; he is trying to avoid living in the dorms through training like all of us had to...(unless you were married)

It was all about 'I' last time and it is all about 'I' this time...note his slight effort to show it is about serving and not him...

And, on what basis do you consider this person talented? Besides that, the AF is meeting its recruiting goals and I am sure we won't have a problem meeting them for the foreseeable future...

[chr8189]

I knew I would get bashed. I started the forum out the way I did for a reason, I knew if I said "and im hoping I can get a little help, without getting torn up." people would just jump on it.

Well, my first post, which was all about "ME" apparantly, about me attempt to separate from the Air Force. It was not all about me, it was about an agreement. I signed an agreement with the government, GUARANTEED TRAINING ENLISTMENT, which guaranteed me the jobs I trained for months prior to enlisting on my OWN time, waking up at 4am for swimming practice, going to high school, going to work, then running in the evening. Was that all about me? NO that was for the Air Force, so they can say, our investment in him was well spent.

Why did my chain of command, my commander, all the brass that worked under him, MY Air Force Lawyers, and a Lawyer of the Air Force agree. Why was it in fine print if it wasnt possible? It was possible, and I did it, becuase it was my right.

I wanted and dreamed of being a PJ, I gave it everything I had. Is it my fault my lung "tore"? is it my fault I never quit? Is it my fault the Air Force wouldnt give me time to heal and allow me to start from DAY 1?

Am I selfish for asking someone to honor an agreement? I never asked to get out at first, I ASKED FOR THE RIGHT THAT I HAD TO "AGREE "TO A NEW AFSC! is that so wrong?

I'm sorry, I have friends that are going to hate their jobs for the next 6 years, I have friends that are plumbers and happy, and some that do construction and hate it. What does that mean? it means that different things make different people happy.

It's not all about me. I dont think you have the right to even say that.

I'm guessing none of you guys had a guaranteed job right?

And yes, all of you had to stay in the dorms, why shouldn't I? but dont forget I did stay in the tech school dorms alot longer than most of you did. I am planning to do it again, and I have no problem with it, but WHY not, if I am eligable which is the question, why wouldn't I attempt to stay in lodging if applicable?

It was a question, and believe me, although I am considered prior service, I dont feel like it. Prior Service to me are the ones, regardless of their stripes, but the ones with the time in, the experiences of deployments, and tech schools, and jobs, and moving, and living the military life. Those are the prior service guys, the ones who have re-enlisted. TRUST ME I KNOW. I know im not on the same level as any of them.

[ringjamesa]

I just don't think you will be eligible to stay in billeting. You are correct, stripes don't make it so you can stay in billeting but can ensure you aren't in the pipeline dorm. They also determine what billeting you get. As an E-3, IF you were allowed to say in billeting, you would have a roommate (at Sheppard the rule is E-4 and below). As you said, you don't have time, experience, deployments, a completed tech school, or much military experience at all. That is why you will more than likely be in the dorm. You might luck out and get to stay in billeting but it doesn't seem like you have much of a grasp of what that entails either. If you are planning on bringing your girlfriend, you will have a 3rd person in the room....so how would staying in billeting solve your problem?

[VFFSSGT]

I'm guessing none of you guys had a guaranteed job right?

Yeah, I did and believe most of us did but there is also small print that goes along with it.


And yes, all of you had to stay in the dorms, why shouldn't I? but dont forget I did stay in the tech school dorms alot longer than most of you did. I am planning to do it again, and I have no problem with it, but WHY not, if I am eligable which is the question, why wouldn't I attempt to stay in lodging if applicable?

Just how long did you stay in the dorms?


It was a question, and believe me, although I am considered prior service, I dont feel like it. Prior Service to me are the ones, regardless of their stripes, but the ones with the time in, the experiences of deployments, and tech schools, and jobs, and moving, and living the military life. Those are the prior service guys, the ones who have re-enlisted. TRUST ME I KNOW. I know im not on the same level as any of them.

Then accept what is given to you and deal with it. You will be told what you are or are not eligible for. What you are doing, is trying to find a way out of the dorms.

[sigecaps]

chr8189, the best source of information would be to call up the orderly room of whatever technical school you intend on applying to. I wouldn't pay much attention to those here who offer only criticism.

[chr8189]

TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS,

1. I was in the Tech School Dorms for almost 8 months.
2.I am not going to bring my girlfriend with me, but I do hope she can come up if I do get a long tech school.

[VFFSSGT]

I was in Tech School 9 months....that is the length of my two schools back to back with a week break in between... So, I definitely don't feel sorry for you there. Maybe next time you shouldn't assume so much.

Try for a job with a short tech school is probably the best thing for you... :rolleyes:

[twoZJbrass]

CHR8189, One good things about 'persons of experience' they are able to see the cloudy content in the dips thats trying to be so transparent. You are so full of 'me wants. I wants' leaving little room to the uniform. (In the AF, uniform means more than the threads on your back, = the squadron, flight, Always the same; showing a single form or character in ALL occurrences) I know of you very little, just this posting. My time, I have read many resumes and interviewed about as many and with that said, let me suggest, zip close the pants, go to a higher learning institution, shoot for a new direction. Again, AF means 'team contribution', each member doing their best & while resting, do a bit more for the org. No matter how you revise your post to read here, I believe and some of the few others here will agree that you are "too me", for the AF to invest in and rick others safety, and you would not be there if requested to do more sweat. So, no heard feeling now, this is sound advise, pls move back from the door because there are a dang lot of smart kids coming this way to surpass the AF needed numbers this next year or nex....

[BRUWIN]

When I was going through Intel school after mandatory retraining we used to get prior linguists that failed out of the Tech School from Monterey and were reclassed to us. They all lived with the pipeline students. They had to do the phases again but started somewhere in the middle...not from the first phase.

When you get to your new tech school wear your PJ cammie face paint on the first day and be sure to let the MTLs know about your previous pararescue training. In fact, I would invite the MTLs and possibly the Group Commander up to the room for a cuppa and give them your thoughts on what exact phase you ought to start from and let them know that you'll require extra bedding for your girlfriend during your stay. They are usually very flexible with the PJ washouts and a lot of times they'll assign ex-PJ trainees thier own MTL that can run errands for them duing the day and so-forth. Be prepared to give a lot of speeches and sign lots of autographs during your stay.

[twoZJbrass]

chr8189, the best source ---- snip snip ----- I wouldn't pay much attention to those here who offer only criticism.

chr8189, By viewing the few post on your thread here it looks as if the cumulative consensus is 'thumbs down for you coming into anyone's flight. See lad, thats what happens when you go whining around seasoned troops, can spot a drag-arss most of the time.

Personally I would like for you to stay out of my AF. Yes, you'll find some 1st termers w/less than two yrs will maybe side with you on this site , because bottom feeders are always looking for company, talk the same subjects, drags over the same namesCalling/comments for NCOs and Officers or feller peers that are trying harder to stand out to be recognized being ready to move-on. You know the adage, 'the best rises to the top' and thats above the coasters too. After the post from seigecaps, I wonder where he hits on the rise scale.

If you do decide to take another avenue than the AF, with your acclaim time-in you may have thought about trotting over to the VA and list your DQed of being less than able to fill the PJ boots, you may rate at least 30%. Try it. :-)..... Call me krazy, but I'm not insane.

[SergeantTobasco]

Wow, bunch of garbage on this board. No surprise there. What was it like walking up hill both ways in the snow?

Chr8189 my advice is to just pick a short tech school if you must; I don't forsee you getting prior service treatment unless your reserve contract gives your SRA before you get there, but you would most likely need a waiver for that.

[chr8189]

Guys,

So much immaturity, but I dont know any of you, and none of you know me.

Your so quick to judge someone, and you actually think it is possible to judge someone thru a message board.

I took an approach to find out what it will be like for me. JUST to find out what it will be like. Not for your un-needed critisism. My last tech school has nothing to do with it.

A few weeks of tech school is a necessity to everyone but I have had 8 months of it. Yes, I would like to stay in the billets, but is that the only way I will go? NOT AT ALL. Maybe I have a girlfriend who doesnt want me to re-enlist, maybe my girlfriend is following me to every meeting with my recruiter, and listening to every word that is said. She would appreciate if she can come up without a problem for the 93 days, she would appreciate if I can bring my car, she wants this, (not saying i dont), but getting her to belive that its going to go by fast and she will be able to see me is something i am trying to do, because she doesnt want me to re-enlist. She rather me just stay in school.

But all of you, your in a message board, your ranks, no one truly knows, your faces are all hidden.

For you to tell someone they are not fit for the military because he asked a question like that, well your a degenerate. Your wrong. Lets just say, I do get in the Air Force, Graduate tech School, and VOLUNTEER for a deployment, because I am someone who wants to, and lets just say i save a life, or get killed, or anything, am I still a useless piece of crap who isnt fit for the military? NO. Anyone with a will is capable of serving. WHO AM I? right, I have not military time in, no strips? nothing right? Well I am someone with alot more patriosm than all of you, it now is clear.

I am someone who wouldnt try to use "useless" word trying to say something, when in reality you can just give a simple answer.

Whatever you think about me in this unofficial message board, I will still be re-enlisting in the AF. I will be prepared to give whatever I need to give to this country, for this country, this Military, and the people. My support, and the support of my family and friends for the Military will be there.

Ownestly, I don't care if you all dont belive me, but I still will try to score the billets. Why, because the billets are usually empty on some bases, and I might be eligable. Will I complain if they say NO? not at all, ill understand. Would i give a room up if it was needed, sure. Why? because if im not entitled to it, well thats the answer, im not entitled. But if its offered, I wont turn it down.

Yes, I know. I am an immature individual who needs to do some growing, I know because im young my relationship is juvinile. Well not to me. My relationship is one of the most important things to me, alot of support, and an asset for the last 2 years. I am going to try to make this a good experience for her as well, this way i wont be paying to put her up in hotels, taxi's and all that crap.

Well i guess i just should have asked...In any of your experience have you ever seen an A1C held up in the billets during tech school?

But i got into detail...shouldnt have.

Chris

[BRUWIN]

Guys,

Well I am someone with alot more patriosm than all of you, it now is clear.




Hey...your attempt at being a PJ was admirable. And so is your willingness to serve. Just lose the attitude that the Air Force is all about your needs and you'll go far.

[VFFSSGT]

Guys,

So much immaturity, but I dont know any of you, and none of you know me.

Your so quick to judge someone, and you actually think it is possible to judge someone thru a message board.



You attempt to condemn everyone for "judging" you...but then you refer to ("judge") everyone as immature in practically the same sentence... :rolleyes:

Let’s think about this one...you are one person; we are many... We are telling you to lose the all about me attitude but we are in the wrong and you are in the right... :rolleyes: The Air Force is not about you and we are not here to cater to your "needs" (wants).


Wow, bunch of garbage on this board.

Yeah, that gives you credibility... :rolleyes:

Let's think about this one two...people of varying ranks and experience on here including many Seniors and Chiefs but 'you' know what is best...:rolleyes:

[chr8189]

Who said anything about being a PJ? I didnt even graduate the course. I wasn't a PJ. This has nothing to do with it. PJ's arent the only patriotic ones.

[chr8189]

Yes, Immaturity, if you we a senior or a chief, whatever, I would think you would have a entire different approach. Besides these smart little comments. You guys dont scare me. Your just 6 or 7 people out of 318 people who viewed the thread. Please.

[VFFSSGT]

You do not have to be a Chief to have a "different" approach... I do have a "different" approach and it is calling it like it is - the truth hurts my friend and we often do not like to hear it.

You notice most of the posters who are SNCO's did not even bother to deal with your nonsense; at least I took the time to tell you, you need to change your attitude.

318 views does not mean 318 people looked at it; it means this thread has been looked at 318 times, which could have been done by any number of people (1, 20, 100, etc). Even if it was 318 people, you noticed most people have chosen not to pay much attention to your "needs" (wants).

People are tired of your "me first" attitude...from your last thread to this one.

Almost 30, nearly 10 years in the service, AS degree, nearly done with my BS and I have a kid telling me I am immature because I have tried to help him by telling him to change his attitude... :rolleyes:

You remind me of a saying I have seen a couple of times... "Quick, while you still know everything move out from your parent’s house." ..or something to that effect... So, please, by all means hurry up and get back in the Air Force while you still know everything to lead those of us that have been around... :rolleyes:

[BRUWIN]

Yes, Immaturity, if you we a senior or a chief, whatever, I would think you would have a entire different approach. Besides these smart little comments. You guys dont scare me. Your just 6 or 7 people out of 318 people who viewed the thread. Please.

Damn...and I was just starting to support you.

[twoZJbrass]

Yes, Immaturity, if you we a senior or a chief, whatever, I would think you would have a entire different approach. Besides these smart little comments. You guys dont scare me. Your just 6 or 7 people out of 318 people who viewed the thread. Please.


chr8189, by the way your postings are reading, you seem to be confused what is 'constructive criticism' and 'smartButt'
replies in your thread. Your reference to "smart little comments" coming from the senior people here indicates you are still very attached to the adolescence period, lacking proper leader training back-when it was most necessary.

Don't bother to answer, I would not believe you but what team sports did you letter in senior HS or what have you told your squeeze your 'top-gun' actions been?

A1C grade would be too high for you to be granted if you do snow your way past the oath again. Your Time in does not measure to the qual scope of the grade. :) Period, stop right there!

Talking about grants, I just realized and will let you have this one.
You have come up with a new thread topic; "Who went with you to the AF recruiter's appointment Q&A"?
GrandMa, parole-officer, best Ken doll, puppyBlankee, etc.

As one poster stated about the 318 odd viewers; right-away the 318 noticed, "nothing going on here, not worthy of a guidance/counseling suggestion, moving on".

This is my last free-bee, you'll have to pay PM PayPal for further guidance.
Moving-on. :) Call me Krazy, but I'm not insane.....

[wx4life]

Chr8189,

I can probably guarantee you that 99% of the haters on here who say "its about the AF and not about you" are people who got their heads so far up their commander's ass that they sweat s***! I say hell ya keep thinking about yourself as you go through your career. Do what you got to do to take advantage of whatever opportunities that might lay ahead of you. If you are eligible to be in billeting, take it!! SERVICE BEFORE SELF is a load of crap!

[denmom]

Chr8189,

I can probably guarantee you that 99% of the haters on here who say "its about the AF and not about you" are people who got their heads so far up their commander's ass that they sweat s***! I say hell ya keep thinking about yourself as you go through your career. Do what you got to do to take advantage of whatever opportunities that might lay ahead of you. If you are eligible to be in billeting, take it!! SERVICE BEFORE SELF is a load of crap!

Please tell me you're kidding! Seriously the people on this thread are trying to be realistic to this person, not to mention this person has stirred the pot before. As we all know, reputation tends to preceed you, especially as the Air Force gets smaller. And in this case, this person's attitude preceeded him on this thread.

[chief0299]

Please tell me you're kidding! Seriously the people on this thread are trying to be realistic to this person, not to mention this person has stirred the pot before. As we all know, reputation tends to preceed you, especially as the Air Force gets smaller. And in this case, this person's attitude preceeded him on this thread.

I would venture to say that he possibly isn't kidding. What percentage of the Air Force gets on here and discusses issues on a regular basis? At the most... maybe 5%? Everyone is selfish at one point in their life. It's called being human. Matter of fact, it's in our nature to do so. It's a means of survival. That being said, the choice to not be selfish is a conscious decision that has to be made until it becomes a habit, part of someones' personality, etc...

Even if the poster was kidding, there is always an element of truth to every joke.

Here's an example... What time does the duty day technically end? How many airmen do you see VOLUNTEERING to take part of the retreat ceremony everyday? Granted, there are some still at work, just beginning their shifts... but the gates and the streets are crowded with airmen trying to get escape from their base everyday.

[Combat correspondent]

Chr8189,

I can probably guarantee you that 99% of the haters on here who say "its about the AF and not about you" are people who got their heads so far up their commander's ass that they sweat s***! I say hell ya keep thinking about yourself as you go through your career. Do what you got to do to take advantage of whatever opportunities that might lay ahead of you. If you are eligible to be in billeting, take it!! SERVICE BEFORE SELF is a load of crap!

CHR8189 and wx4life:

Seriously, are you two playing games on here? Do you honestly think the people on this thread would take the time to visit it if they didn't genuinely care about the wellbeing of their Air Force? I don't always agree with everyone and they don't always agree with me. But, the one thing people here share is commitment and love for their service.

Didn't want to hate on you CHR8189, but you'd be better off in the civilian world.

AND, I did want to hate on you wx4life, you should consider an institution - one with padded walls. You are crazy as sh!t, dude.

[BRUWIN]

Chr8189,

If you are eligible to be in billeting, take it!! SERVICE BEFORE SELF is a load of crap!

The point in my earlier post was that he ISN"T ELIGIBLE for billeting and he'll be living in the dorm with the PIPELINERS...so if he wants back in than Service before Self applies. It would help if you quit giving the kid false hopes because he ain't gonna be living anywhere but the dorm..

[Combat correspondent]

The point in my earlier post was that he ISN"T ELIGIBLE for billeting and he'll be living in the dorm with the PIPELINERS...so if he wants back in than Service before Self applies. It would help if you quit giving the kid false hopes because he ain't gonna be living anywhere but the dorm..

wx4life --- you say that Service before self is not a load of crap!

Next time you want to make comments like that, douche bag, please take a moment to reflect on the memories of people like SrA Jason Cunningham. There have been 4,551 Coalition members killed in Iraq and 1,053 in Afghanistan - according to CNN. Yeah, d!ck weed, tell their wives, mothers and children that SERVICE BEFORE SELF is a load of crap.

See this site: http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2004/oef.casualties/index.html

It states 2004 in the link but is updated to 2009.

[wx4life]

roflmao majority of those people who have gone over to Iraq and have been unfortunately killed were told to go or volunteered to get the experience and/or tax break. I can say with certainty that most of them did not go over there wanting to be killed for their country. Infact i would say with certainty that if they knew beforehand they would not be coming back and had the chance not to go that majority would put their self before service. Ya you get those few who are genuinely service before self but come on and get with the times they are in the minority because this core value sucks. It is in our nature to look out for ourselves. The failure to live by this core value can be seen through out the whole branch from the lowest airmen to the highest general. Thus its a load of crap! Period!

[BRUWIN]

roflmao majority of those people who have gone over to Iraq and have been unfortunately killed were told to go or volunteered to get the experience and/or tax break. I can say with certainty that most of them did not go over there wanting to be killed for their country. Infact i would say with certainty that if they knew beforehand they would not be coming back and had the chance not to go that majority would put their self before service. Ya you get those few who are genuinely service before self but come on and get with the times they are in the minority because this core value sucks. It is in our nature to look out for ourselves. The failure to live by this core value can be seen through out the whole branch from the lowest airmen to the highest general. Thus its a load of crap! Period!


Reagrdless of the reasons st least we've been. What's your excuse?

[sigecaps]

roflmao majority of those people who have gone over to Iraq and have been unfortunately killed were told to go or volunteered to get the experience and/or tax break. I can say with certainty that most of them did not go over there wanting to be killed for their country. Infact i would say with certainty that if they knew beforehand they would not be coming back and had the chance not to go that majority would put their self before service. Ya you get those few who are genuinely service before self but come on and get with the times they are in the minority because this core value sucks. It is in our nature to look out for ourselves. The failure to live by this core value can be seen through out the whole branch from the lowest airmen to the highest general. Thus its a load of crap! Period!

Well if the war was actually about you know protecting America from imminent and grave danger (national security), I bet you would be hard pressed to find people who did not want to volunteer to go over there. But that is not what the war is about, and no one wants to die for falsehood.

[Combat correspondent]

roflmao majority of those people who have gone over to Iraq and have been unfortunately killed were told to go or volunteered to get the experience and/or tax break. I can say with certainty that most of them did not go over there wanting to be killed for their country. Infact i would say with certainty that if they knew beforehand they would not be coming back and had the chance not to go that majority would put their self before service. Ya you get those few who are genuinely service before self but come on and get with the times they are in the minority because this core value sucks. It is in our nature to look out for ourselves. The failure to live by this core value can be seen through out the whole branch from the lowest airmen to the highest general. Thus its a load of crap! Period!

Oh, you are so very wrong! Imagine this if you will (try to not get focused on the countries I am about to use as an example).

Canada or Mexico begins to invade America - begins to kill, rape, plunder and occupy portions of our homeland. There is not a man, woman or freakin' house pet in this country who would not gladly die to defend it! You are crazy, dude!

You are a real sick person and lack any sort of morals. What is your purpose for living? What do you represent in life?

Service before self is not a load of crap! However, your attitude is definitely, without question, a load of crap and I hope you terminate your DoD employment and egress your branch of service (better, your 'lack of service') ASAP.

[VFFSSGT]

roflmao majority of those people who have gone over to Iraq and have been unfortunately killed were told to go or volunteered to get the experience and/or tax break. I can say with certainty that most of them did not go over there wanting to be killed for their country.

Even if this were remotely true; they should not have joined the military if this were the case.

This is our job and purpose. If you are here for a free ride then I recommend you take the high road.

[chief0299]

For all of you who commented on Wx for his comment, let me ask you a question...

Who was around a few years back when the change was made for SNCO's to remain in for 3yrs after promotion in order to retain their retirement for that grade?

Who was around back in the 2003 to 2004 timeframe when the big change came down where the A.F. wanted to force SNCO's and officers who weren't world-wide qualified for whatever reason to seperate, retire or go through the MEB?

I'm not picking on SNCO's, just using this as an example. I saw alot of Chiefs and Seniors retire when this change came about. Some already had their 2 years in at their current grade and didn't want to deploy (as was the purpose of the extension), so they retired. All of those folks who weren't world wide qualified that were forced to seperate or retire... what were they doing? Where they there for their country even though they couldn't deploy?

I would also have to agree with Wx that alot of people did choose to go to Afghan or Iraq to further their career. My wing CCM just got back. She went because she believethat she can become the first female reserve CMSAF. I think maybe some have taken what Wx said out of context. How many go to Afghan or Iraq with the attitude of "I am going there to die. It is my job die. I will not return."? We all know it's our job to fight and die for our country, but seriously, how many people deploy with the expectation that they will nt return? How many believe that if they do return, they are selfish human beings and not living up to our core values?

[sigecaps]

Patton said it best, “No poor bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making other bastards die for their country.” But more than that, as I said before, if people actually believed that our national security was being threatened (a la WW2), you would be hard pressed to find people who did not want to volunteer. There's a reason why everyone wanted to join the military after 9/11, because they thought we were actually going to go after the people who caused it. No one expected that that the President would capitalize on the goodwill of the nation to take us through the detour/sideshow known as Operation Iraqi Freedom. Trillions wasted. Thousands of lives lost. Immeasurable political capital spent. And we still haven't caught the fucker that caused 9/11.

[Combat correspondent]

:) Sigecaps - I like that!

[Combat correspondent]

Hey, do u know what post that Wes dude was thrashing me on? It seems to have disappeared - maybe his wish will come true and I'll be banned from this forum ---- wait a minute Michael and Wendy, ok, here it is, just a little bit of Pixie dust there Wes, then.....Off to Never Land!

[BRUWIN]

I'm not picking on SNCO's, just using this as an example. I saw alot of Chiefs and Seniors retire when this change came about. Some already had their 2 years in at their current grade and didn't want to deploy (as was the purpose of the extension), so they retired. All of those folks who weren't world wide qualified that were forced to seperate or retire... what were they doing? Where they there for their country even though they couldn't deploy?



Well not to pick on Amn - TSgt but a lot of them didn't like deploying either and just got hell out. So what's your point? Most of them (Amn - CMSgt) didn't like where things were going and used the option to get out or retire rather than stay in and whine about it. That's thier perogative in one they are within thier rights to do. It's the ones that stay in and abuse the system, get code 3's and various medical waivers to wiggle out of short tour PCS's and deployments that fire me up.

[chief0299]

Well not to pick on Amn - TSgt but a lot of them didn't like deploying either and just got hell out. So what's your point? Most of them (Amn - CMSgt) didn't like where things were going and used the option to get out or retire rather than stay in and whine about it. That's thier perogative in one they are within thier rights to do. It's the ones that stay in and abuse the system, get code 3's and various medical waivers to wiggle out of short tour PCS's and deployments that fire me up.

You know Bruwin, I know I've said it to you before... You get on here and bitch and complain about how everyone needs to just shut up, do their job, stop their whining, do PT, I was a maintainer so I know about... You yourself do your fair share of whining and could use some of your own advice.

My point with the examples I was trying to prove is that when faced with having to go from 2 years TIG to 3 years TIG to retain their retirement for their grade, some Seniors and Chiefs would rather drop their paperwork and accept the smaller retirement than deploy (or deply again). Deploying was the purpose FOR the Air Force extending the minimum time in the first place. The Air Force saw that a large number of SNCO's WEREN'T deploying and that they were needed downrange. At that point in their career, they have the option to drop their paperwork at any time. Amn through TSgt are still tied to their contract, for the most part. They deploy when they are told to, when their AEF cycle comes up or if they volunteer. From my own experience, myself and members of my old unit (AD) deployed quite a bit but in shorter stints. For example, we would deploy for 60, come home for 90 at the most, and turn around to deploy for another 60. It was a constant cycle. Not too bad, right? Well consider that when you get home, you're home for maybe 3 days and you go TDY for a week, then home for a week and then TDY again for a week. So in that 90 days that you are home, you're only actually home for 20 days or so. Unless they were enlisted aircrew members, I never once saw a SNCO go TDY. When an amn through TSgt was deployed 3 or 4 times in a year, there were always different SNCO's that went.

When it's the same people deploying over and over again, it creates dissention and the whining that you are so tired of hearing. These folks that are always deploying, see the same people getting out of deployments and it pisses them off.

My second point I was trying to get across is that we would be hard pressed to find someone who deploys with the GOAL of dying for our country. We all know and realize that it is a hazard of the job and something that we have to come to terms with.

If my answer doesn't appease you, then I don't know what else to tell you. I will however pass on a piece of advice that I had to see to believe. Some things are just the way that they are and no matter what you do, you just cannot change them.

[pheenix]

Hello everybody,

I will be considered prior service, but my recruiter advised me I would probably have to go back thru the AETC Tech School dorms, and phase programs. (he didnt seem to sure)


Prior service, in the crudest, technical sense. Though prior service tech school privledges (no phase program, etc, etc) generally are given to those who have completed a previous tech school in the AF or some other branch.

I know someone in my course right now who was a former PJ trainee who washed out and he's basically an NPS airman.

You'll be treated as one, might as well consider yourself to be one.