Rank has its privileges?

[SuperPog0151]

Do you agree with rank having privileges? I don't. Aren't they under the same sets of rules we are? How is it wrong for me to walk around the SMOKE PIT in uniform smoking and it's ok for the SNCOs and officers doing the same damn thing? Why do the junior Marines get in trouble for showing up 5 minutes late for work but when the SNCO is 15 minutes late everything is ok?

I understand that they've been in for X amount of years and earned their rank but does that mean they could stop following the rules? What happened to leading from the front? Leading by example? "Why don't you say something to them if they're wrong?" I shouldn't have to tell these leaders what to do; they should already know.

[acesfilter]

Do you agree with rank having privileges? I don't. Aren't they under the same sets of rules we are?

I believe that with great power comes great responsibility. As such, leaders need to understand that they have an example to set; and that failure to set a non-deleterious example should result in dire consequences.



How is it wrong for me to walk around the SMOKE PIT in uniform smoking and it's ok for the SNCOs and officers doing the same damn thing? Why do the junior Marines get in trouble for showing up 5 minutes late for work but when the SNCO is 15 minutes late everything is ok?

Depends on the reason--or at least it should. If an NCO was busy taking care of business involving another Soldier or something like that, then perfect punctuality can take a temporary backseat.

If that NCO simply overslept because he or she has a hangover, they should definitely be held accountable. The fact that you suggest they aren't raises grave concerns about the senior leadership in your unit. It means someone is turning a blind eye to these deficiencies.



I understand that they've been in for X amount of years and earned their rank but does that mean they could stop following the rules? What happened to leading from the front? Leading by example? "Why don't you say something to them if they're wrong?" I shouldn't have to tell these leaders what to do; they should already know.

See prior comment. To add to that...there is a tactful way to correct a superior (I.E. "Sir/Ma'am...your boot lace is showing..") and do as such offline, away from other Soldiers. If no one has taught you how to do this, it only means they highly discourage subordinates from politely correcting superiors--so much so, they actually cover it up. That poses a serious integrity problem.

Not like I know much about the unit (or Corps) that you're in. I'm simply going off of what you've posted here.

[DevilNuts]

I have a MSgt who recently due to litter has relegated the entire building to one smoking area. And as his office is pretty far away from that area, it is as inconvenient to him as anyone else, but every day he walks down to that spot and sets the example, even though he is so scary of an individual that the Captain probably wouldnt even call him out on it.

Good leadership.


I have a SSgt that tells us we cant look things up on the internet, but rolls a TV in here to watch football games. Tells us we have to take care of personal issues on our own time, then leaves the shop at random times throughout the day to take care of chores.

Bad leadership.

This is not a universal problem. But I agree it should be addressed.

[Battleshort]

Rules as they apply to The Chief

1. The chief is always right.
2. In the impossible hypothesis that a subordinate may be right, see Rule #1.
3. The chief does not sleep, he rests.
4. The chief is never late, he is detained elsewhere.
5. The chief never leaves work, his presence is required elsewhere.
6. The chief never reads the paper in the mess, he studies.
7. The chief never goes on liberty with his juniors, he conducts training sessions.
8. Whoever confronts the chief with an idea of his own must leave with the chief's idea.
9. The chief is always the chief, even in his shower shoes.

;)

[CplVelociraptor]

I hold a particular billet that requires accountability. From the CG down to the Pvt, all have to be held accountable. I never relinquish any sort of leeway to any individual, but I'll definitely go out of my way to get them back the way they are supposed to be, or at least point them in what is the best direction I can manage.

I wish; dearly wish, that the other shops would do the same for me. Their lack of accountability across the board, but particularly for seniors, shows regularly.

[wzgriffith]

Call them out on it. If you do it without sounding like "ha ha I told you so," than any good Marine will tell you you're right and correct themself (for the time being anyway).

DevilNuts- If thats the trush about your SSgt, then ask to talk to him in private and tell him that the Marines notice that he makes them take care of issues on personal time, but doesn't hold himself to that same standard. Punk his ass out, but do it respectfully.

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

Rules as they apply to The Chief

1. The chief is always right.
2. In the impossible hypothesis that a subordinate may be right, see Rule #1.
3. The chief does not sleep, he rests.
4. The chief is never late, he is detained elsewhere.
5. The chief never leaves work, his presence is required elsewhere.
6. The chief never reads the paper in the mess, he studies.
7. The chief never goes on liberty with his juniors, he conducts training sessions.
8. Whoever confronts the chief with an idea of his own must leave with the chief's idea.
9. The chief is always the chief, even in his shower shoes.

;)


As a warrant officer, that hangs by my desk and is the bitmap on my computer lol

but to address the OP, yes RHIP but how a non-rate is supervised by his NCO is way different compared to a senior NCO/Officer supervision. Yes, we get talked to and counseled as well but we are treated differently on the years we have put it. Obviously I am treated way different that I was a private. Does that make it right or wrong. Wrong perhaps but this is how things been happening for a very long time. Now when I was a joe, politics wasnt an issue but now it is. Pros and cons on both sides of the fence and the grass isnt always greener on the other side. I talked to officer's that have conflict issues at work. Just take it with a grain of salt and just do the right thing all the time and set the example.

[Gunny08]

As the famous West Pointer 'Doc' Blanchard is credited with saying about military service 'Well, this is the way it is, this is the way it has always been and this is the way it will always be. There must be a reason for it, but whether there is or not, I asked for it, so there's nothing I can do but make the best of it'.
This is pretty close as I recall it. It was a long time ago.

[GruntCapt]

There are bad leaders everywhere, and in every rank. It's unfortunate, but it is what it is. My first company commander beat into me that I always showed up to work before the Marines, and went home after them. An issue I dealt with in my last unit was field exercises. When I took the Marines out to the field for a week, my peers came up with various excuses to stay in the rear. I was the only officer who spent every night in the field with the Marines. As an infantry officer, that has always been expected by my superiors. The other officers obviously came from communities where that was not the case. Any leader who thinks that the Marines do not notice those things and talk about them behind their backs is an idiot.

For the younger Marines here, keep in mind that there may be outside factors that you are unaware of. That certainly doesn't excuse all misconduct, or patterns of misconduct. Sometimes, there is nothing you can do about a bad leader except step up and try to set the example for your peers and subordinates yourself.

[allen55330]

yes it does have it's privileges, the privilege to work your a** off. What you might not see is once you go home for the day how the SNCO's get together to handle issue that dont require you being at work. What else you dont see is how that SNCO is out a 0300 the night prior picking up his Marine that was pulled over for a DUI, or taking off during the day to handle,lock on gear or training. I am sure that there are SNO's out there that aren't setting the example. All I know if I was up at 0330 and showed up 5 min late for something and one of my Marines wanted to talk to me about that, GTG but then you will feel the pain. Stay in your pay grade. If you have issues with issues use your chain of command.

[Yggdrasil]

yes it does have it's privileges, the privilege to work your a** off. What you might not see is once you go home for the day how the SNCO's get together to handle issue that dont require you being at work. What else you dont see is how that SNCO is out a 0300 the night prior picking up his Marine that was pulled over for a DUI, or taking off during the day to handle,lock on gear or training. I am sure that there are SNO's out there that aren't setting the example. All I know if I was up at 0330 and showed up 5 min late for something and one of my Marines wanted to talk to me about that, GTG but then you will feel the pain. Stay in your pay grade. If you have issues with issues use your chain of command.

Ah yes, the good "THIS is what you see, but what you DON'T see is THIS" nonsense. I've seen many of my fellow First Classes use this one. The truth is, the junior guys are not stupid. They know a shitbag when they see one.

Here's the truth. If a rule is to apply to all hands, then all hands must follow it. If there was an actual rule stating different times at which people in different paygrades could show up to work, I don't think anyone would have an issue with it - because at least the command isn't saying one thing and doing another, and no one's intelligence is being insulted.

I had this problem before with "command" PT at a previous command, where "all hands" were required to be there. I was a Second Class at the time. E6 and above never showed up. This upset me at the time. Why? Because it was "Command PT" where "all hands" were required to participate. Now, if the command had made it a rule and come and out explicitly stated that only E5 and below were required to participate, then I would have had absolutely no issue with it, because no one's intelligence would have been insulted.

[allen55330]

Ah yes, the good "THIS is what you see, but what you DON'T see is THIS" nonsense. I've seen many of my fellow First Classes use this one. The truth is, the junior guys are not stupid. They know a shitbag when they see one.

Here's the truth. If a rule is to apply to all hands, then all hands must follow it. If there was an actual rule stating different times at which people in different paygrades could show up to work, I don't think anyone would have an issue with it - because at least the command isn't saying one thing and doing another, and no one's intelligence is being insulted.

I had this problem before with "command" PT at a previous command, where "all hands" were required to be there. I was a Second Class at the time. E6 and above never showed up. This upset me at the time. Why? Because it was "Command PT" where "all hands" were required to participate. Now, if the command had made it a rule and come and out explicitly stated that only E5 and below were required to participate, then I would have had absolutely no issue with it, because no one's intelligence would have been insulted.


I am not talking about scamming out of an all hands function. For something like that, sure I will be there with little to no sleep no problem. If I dont show up for some reason it is not the place of the junior Marine/Sailor to say anything. My boss should handle the issue and do something about it.

[CplH5811]

I am not talking about scamming out of an all hands function. For something like that, sure I will be there with little to no sleep no problem. If I dont show up for some reason it is not the place of the junior Marine/Sailor to say anything. My boss should handle the issue and do something about it.

It may not be their place in your eyes but it just gets swept under the rug otherwise. However, I don't know what kind of unit you come from if Pfcs are correcting higher ups for being late without getting their ass handed to them. I have never seen a single SNCO or officer get talked to because they showed up late to PT or a formation. But when any other Marine shows up late, they had better pray to whoever they pray to. Someone is probably going to try and put out the whole "but they're leaders of Marines and they shouldn't be corrected in public". What about Cpls and Sgts? Are they leaders too? I would even say that they are the most vital. Because NCOs are the ones who are dealing with the junior troops face to face every day. And, in essence, everyone that holds a bit of rank over someone junior to them is a leader. So, why would anyone want to destroy a vision of one leader because he's a LCpl who showed up 30 seconds late for Pt and preserve the "poor" vision of a SNCO who doesn't even come into work until 1000 because that's when he feels like it?

[Misguided0331]

i just jumped in here and saw this post and i agree with all the juniors in here. ive been in for about 7 years now and have seem so many things i dont agree with. things like senior marine with a few rockers keeping their marines at work from 0600 till midnight doing nothing but formations. and durring formations he will have his wife bring him KFC for dinner and eat it in front of his marines in formation... or how can your OIC NON-REC you for promotion for being over weight when he is 50lbs over weight himself... some of thes things i dont understand... how can i get passed up for combat promotions 3 times when im the Squad leader as a LCpl with Sgt's under him... it seems that no matter how hard you work or how well you know your job or do your job you get noting in return except and ass chewing and a page 11.

as a leader myself i believe that in order to gain the trust of your marine you need to help them. when your marines need help with an issue and you tell them do it on their time. thats a bunch of BULL****... troop welfare is a big part of mission accomplishment. if your marines arent happy and dont trust you, then you just may not come home from comabat...


"don't piss of those who have guns"!

[SuperPog0151]

yes it does have it's privileges, the privilege to work your a** off. What you might not see is once you go home for the day how the SNCO's get together to handle issue that dont require you being at work. What else you dont see is how that SNCO is out a 0300 the night prior picking up his Marine that was pulled over for a DUI, or taking off during the day to handle,lock on gear or training. I am sure that there are SNO's out there that aren't setting the example. All I know if I was up at 0330 and showed up 5 min late for something and one of my Marines wanted to talk to me about that, GTG but then you will feel the pain. Stay in your pay grade. If you have issues with issues use your chain of command.

Devil dog, chill out! Everything's gonna be alright. Stay in my pay grade, huh? Rank has its privelege is bullsh**. Rules are for everyone not just the junior Marines. You're not that special as hard as that is to believe. If you want to be late GTG but your Marines will think you are a hypocrital sh**bag. I'm sure you don't care what your Marines think of you though. Once you get that rocker do you forget how it is to be a Non-NCO or NCO?

[Yggdrasil]

I do believe in RHIP, but at the same time, those privileges must be defined and formalized.

In other words, if an established rule is stated to apply to all hands, yet is only enforced on people below a certain paygrade, then that's bullsh*t. However, if the established rule explicitly states that people below a certain paygrade have to do it "this" way, and people at that paygrade or above get to do it "that" way; then very few people are going to take issue with it.

[SuperPog0151]

Yo if it says each rank has a certain privilege, that's fine. I agree w/ you 100%. But that ain't the case and to hear some dude say I don't rate to know why he's late is bullsh*t! We are grown ass men, so if I'm late I don't need explain myself to you. But obviously we can't do that 'cause we're in the military. If they changed the rules to say you have certain privileges - good to go. I can live with that. But until then, follow the rules that YOU set.

[AMERICANWARFIGHTER]

I think some people posting on here seem to misunderstand the term "rank has its privilege". I believe that as a Gunnery Sergeant, it means I rate my own room when deployed, or that I get to eat in the Chiefs Mess, I don’t stand mess duty or firewatch. It does NOT mean I get to show up whenever I want or participate in only the unit functions that I want while forcing junior Marines to attend. I hold myself to the same standards that I expect of my Marines. How can I ever chew someone out for being late if I'm EVER late? I can I chew someone out for falling out of a run if I ever fell out of a run? SNCO's with the attitude of do as I say, not as I do, are a problem in the Corps. Probably always has been and always will be. I do not chew out my NCO's in front of their juniors, just my 1stSgt or CO will not chew me out in front of them. Doing so would take away creditability from all involved. However, if I make a mistake, I will not explain myself to anyone junior to myself. I should have plenty of explaining to do to my highers. I would expect my NCO's to do the same. The key to this is that if you conduct yourself as a professional, those rare occasions that you are late or whatever, your Marines would think nothing of it. They would think that something must have REALLY gone wrong for the Gunny to be late.

[668203]

I think some people posting on here seem to misunderstand the term "rank has its privilege". I believe that as a Gunnery Sergeant, it means I rate my own room when deployed, or that I get to eat in the Chiefs Mess, I don’t stand mess duty or firewatch. It does NOT mean I get to show up whenever I want or participate in only the unit functions that I want while forcing junior Marines to attend. I hold myself to the same standards that I expect of my Marines. How can I ever chew someone out for being late if I'm EVER late? I can I chew someone out for falling out of a run if I ever fell out of a run? SNCO's with the attitude of do as I say, not as I do, are a problem in the Corps. Probably always has been and always will be. I do not chew out my NCO's in front of their juniors, just my 1stSgt or CO will not chew me out in front of them. Doing so would take away creditability from all involved. However, if I make a mistake, I will not explain myself to anyone junior to myself. I should have plenty of explaining to do to my highers. I would expect my NCO's to do the same. The key to this is that if you conduct yourself as a professional, those rare occasions that you are late or whatever, your Marines would think nothing of it. They would think that something must have REALLY gone wrong for the Gunny to be late.
Well said Gunny!

[Red Dragon]

Do you agree with rank having privileges? I don't. Aren't they under the same sets of rules we are? How is it wrong for me to walk around the SMOKE PIT in uniform smoking and it's ok for the SNCOs and officers doing the same damn thing? Why do the junior Marines get in trouble for showing up 5 minutes late for work but when the SNCO is 15 minutes late everything is ok?

I understand that they've been in for X amount of years and earned their rank but does that mean they could stop following the rules? What happened to leading from the front? Leading by example? "Why don't you say something to them if they're wrong?" I shouldn't have to tell these leaders what to do; they should already know.

If you are really a Marine, then I think that you have been screwed as a servicemember. As a former Army First Sergeant, I was always the first man in to work in the morning and the last one to leave at night. That was the same when we deployed to Afghanistan. Caring for the troops was my responsibility, and I never did that RHIP shit. Too many senior NCOs buy off on that shit, but I never did.

[SeaChicken]

RHIP definitely exists, will always exist and furthermore there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'm with the Gunny on what those priveleges are. Operating on my own schedule, opting out of command functions and not abiding by rules and regulations are NOT priveleges. As an Officer, if stay in a nicer Q when I travel does that make me a bad Officer? No. If I sleep in the Q while my sailors are in tents, does that make me a bad Officer? HELL YES!

I sensed a tone in some posts that accountability only goes up the chain of command. I could not disagree more. If I am late for something, the E4 deserves to know that I recognize I was late, know I shouldn't be late and will make every effort to not be late in the future. E4 time is just as valuable as O4 time. Am I going to rip someone a new one the first time they show up late for something? No, but I will be sure they know that tardiness is tolerated once and they just used up that get out of jail free card. God forbid I woke up on the wrong side of the bed one morning and my uniform is goofed up, I would expect one my Sailors to point it out to me. We are a team in everything we do, and that includes looking good to outsiders. If I can't keep my uniform straight I deserve to hear about it and as long as you are helping a shipmate out and not trying to be an ass to me about it than i appreciate that you even know enough to know what I am doing wrong and care enough to say something.

When I was CO of my reserve unit I was always at the front of the line for the crap and at the back of the line for the good stuff. I've pushed brooms with my sailors, stood outside in the cold with them and shared my jacket with them. I asked for one priveledge in return and that was my parking space. No one took issue with it and in fact they had fun forming up the next morning as sideboys when I drove up.

[ringjamesa]

I am torn between YGGDrasil and Allen's positions. I KNOW that in some cases-hell a lot of cases Allen is 100% correct. However, I also know that when there is a mandatory formation and the only people there are E-5 and below, not everyone with more stripes, bars, or leaves are out doing official business that coundn't possibly be handled at any other time and the hipocracy sucks. Is it the Jr enlisted member's responsibility to call someone out? not really but they are more than welcome to try it. You might want to make damn sure that person wasn't doing whatever it is that they were doing for a reason before you try that Shyte though or else you might get your @$$ handed to you. As far as the smoke pit BS. That is a load of crap. I have always thought of the smoke pit as a no ranks sort of area-more informal. I might point something out to someone so someone else doesn't jump their shyte but I sure as hell wouldn't jump someone's shyte for walking in the smoke pit....

my 2 cents...

[Goldy]

I sensed a tone in some posts that accountability only goes up the chain of command. I could not disagree more.

Respectfully, I disagree with you.

I understand that you push brooms with the rest of us, an you respect your men to not be late, or hold yourself accountable...(which I commend and thank you for)...
...but what if you didn't?


What if you didn't care about your men, and you showed up late every once in a while? What if you stood at the front of the line for chow or "the good stuff"? What if you DID sleep on a rack while your men were in tents?

...well, you'd get away with it, because you're in charge.

And the PFC/LCPL that works for you? You really think he'd say "hey, sir, you're a dick to us."? Fuck no he wouldn't. Do you know why? Because you hold his life in the palm of your hand. You can fuck a Marine's career up single-handedly. I've seen it done.

and more specifically for SNCO's....

There are no “checks and balances” for the SNCO corps in the Marine Corps. They can’t be demoted without an act of congress, and they’re the ones in charge, so nobody below them can set them straight.
Requesting mast… hah, yeah right. If a Lance Corporal requests mast to say that his SNCO is overweight and shows up late to formations, and is publicly berating his Marines… well, that LCPL is going to be laughed at, and sent back to work, where his SNCO is still in charge of him, and will make his life a living hell.

So, what is there to prevent a SNCO from just being a lame-duck? There’s nothing. The Marine Corps relies completely on the self-motivation of the individual SNCO, and other SNCO’s to police their own… and that’s it.

That should be enough, we’d like to hope, but unfortunately it’s not always enough. Every E-5 and below that I’ve talked to can name at least two SNCO’s that are first-class shitbags… but nothing will ever be done about it, because unless there’s a catastrophic failure, a SNCO’s performance never seems to be questioned by higher.

Of course, this is a VAST minority, but they're out there.

[Lone_NCO]

Rank has its privileges, thats the reality. Not to much you can do about it, if your a junior Marine or NCO you suck it up until you become that rank and hopefully realize the errors of your predecessors. If your that SNCO either you dont fall into the shitbird category and your troops already know that or your troops know your a shitbag and your perfectly content with that and riding out your career until you retire.

The only people who can do anything are the SNCO or Officers above them but as an E5 and below who wants to envolve them? I definetly dont suggest that. I recently came to the conclusion that I have a problem with issues just like this and find it unexceptable. Also the fact that i'm a Sgt and as good as my record would look on a board , i'm in the 2nd biggest MOS in the USMC. Getting promoted will be a slow process if at all, But I'm not the type to roll over and play dead, I'm going to put in a MECEP package and become an officer. That way instead of sitting around bitching about something I can do something about it.

[Muel1988]

I think some people posting on here seem to misunderstand the term "rank has its privilege". I believe that as a Gunnery Sergeant, it means I rate my own room when deployed, or that I get to eat in the Chiefs Mess, I don’t stand mess duty or firewatch. It does NOT mean I get to show up whenever I want or participate in only the unit functions that I want while forcing junior Marines to attend. I hold myself to the same standards that I expect of my Marines. How can I ever chew someone out for being late if I'm EVER late? I can I chew someone out for falling out of a run if I ever fell out of a run? SNCO's with the attitude of do as I say, not as I do, are a problem in the Corps. Probably always has been and always will be. I do not chew out my NCO's in front of their juniors, just my 1stSgt or CO will not chew me out in front of them. Doing so would take away creditability from all involved. However, if I make a mistake, I will not explain myself to anyone junior to myself. I should have plenty of explaining to do to my highers. I would expect my NCO's to do the same. The key to this is that if you conduct yourself as a professional, those rare occasions that you are late or whatever, your Marines would think nothing of it. They would think that something must have REALLY gone wrong for the Gunny to be late.

Gunny, first of all i would like to say i read through almost all of these things and no one could have pin pointed this topic better, in my eyes. When i was in Okinawa i had a SNCO who lived by the Do as i say, not as i do. I was a newly promoted Cpl at the time. Trying to understand why your SNCO didnt come into work yesterday, and shows up the next day with Sunburn is a challenge. I was in a unit where senior leadership was not held accountable for actions and the best thing I took from this experience was, dont do it when its my turn.

Cpl Mueller
MSG Detachment Kingston Jamaica
MWR/Training/Ball Nco

[SSgtAllen3381]

So, if we are all supposed to be equals, why are we not all called SIR?

Have a good one.

[smarg]

Rules as they apply to The Chief

1. The chief is always right.
2. In the impossible hypothesis that a subordinate may be right, see Rule #1.
3. The chief does not sleep, he rests.
4. The chief is never late, he is detained elsewhere.
5. The chief never leaves work, his presence is required elsewhere.
6. The chief never reads the paper in the mess, he studies.
7. The chief never goes on liberty with his juniors, he conducts training sessions.
8. Whoever confronts the chief with an idea of his own must leave with the chief's idea.
9. The chief is always the chief, even in his shower shoes.

;)

What about most chiefs who are fat slobs with dirty uniforms? :confused:

[Warbyrd13]

Learders will set the example on how things will work. An there will always be people in every rank that believe that they are above the law or as one moron's motto was "high caliber". Now that "high caliber" person is serving time in the brig for rape in Oki.

Evenatly the dirtbags will be called out or forced out. The only thing you need to do is police your own n make sure the younger generation of Marines are taught the proper way to conduct buisness. It is plain an simple.

Everyone here rember the old joke that PFC actualy meant Perfect For Cleaning?

As a Sgt the platoon is mine to deal with. I keep the Cpls in check and mentor them n the other marines in the Platoon with the other Sgts. The SNCO n Officer are there mainly for paper work and to guide myself an the other Sgts into becomeing a SNCO. i don't serve firewatch I am the guy who makes the watch schedule an ensures the watch is being conducted properly. RHIP exists but its more of the higher you go the more supervisory role you take on than actualy doing the work. If you take care of your Marines an train them correctly n treat them like adults then they will work for you n make your day to day job very easy.

The Marine Corps is about mission acomplishment first troop welfare second. Which means somedays you might be at the shop late, but when there is no work to be done then get out of the shop. The concept is intended so that if you have work you get it done, if there is no work then go home. Very simple concept but too many people screw this simple thing up too many times trying to impress someone.

[Goldy]

The Marine Corps is about mission acomplishment first troop welfare second. Which means somedays you might be at the shop late, but when there is no work to be done then get out of the shop. The concept is intended so that if you have work you get it done, if there is no work then go home. Very simple concept but too many people screw this simple thing up too many times trying to impress someone.

Tell that to any Corporal and below in my former Bn, and they'll laugh in your face.

...."go home early"... what a whimsical dream for those guys.

[Warbyrd13]

Depends on your unit an if the Company CO can do it.

While I was in the infantry on Friday we was gone at 1200. Had another Co an we did't get secured till 1700 on Fridays. Most of the Co's secured us at 1200 on Fridays.

When I joined the Comm units it ranged from 1400 to 1700 on Fridays depending on what CO we had. An if we was lucky since i was a Tech at this point our OIC would let us off when the rest of the company secured for the weekend or that day. I knew a Wire Plt who would secure at 1500 every day during the week to "PT" so if you had to do any buisness with them better do it before 1500 during the week.

I have been able to work half days in the infantry but you really need a good Lt an a good Co to do this. If all your work is done an there is nothing left to do then why should you be at the shop doing "busy work"?

[KrashKatz]

Keep It Stupid Simple. "Rank has its privileges, the privilege to lead."

[darkhorse0369]

Rank does have it's priviledges. The priviledge of standing in front of a platoon or company of Marines and passing the "word". The priviledge of rank isn't being able to put your hands in your pocket (even though I have never seen an actual USMC order that stated you couldn't). The priviledge of rank isn't being able to walk and smoke at the same time. Leaders that do these are abusing the rank, not enjoying the "priviledges".
The priviledge of staying later than everyone else and being in before anyone else comes with the territory. Non-rates (yes that is actually on your ID card) need to stay in their paygrade and when you pick up the rank you'll also enjoy the priviledge of rank.