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[LeaderOfMarines]

1.First would Be boot camp and who its not doing its job! Its simple really, if everyone can graduate then it doesnt matter how go the traning is!! I would allow drop on request or(DOR) once a week every sunday. This is to prevent having Marines in the Corps who dont want to be there. We have the best officers in the World because they all want to be there... we cant say the same about the enlisted. That is why we have (UAs) in the first two weeks in MCT and SOI.

2.Next i would put MCT as the 4th month of boot camp.this is because MCT is just going threw the motions not really changing or forcing marines to retain the knowage. If however they learn it under drill instructors they will know! No questions asked.I also believe that this would help Marines going to SOI because they would get twice the training. Even more so we could change SOI to go more indepth with traning because MCT is already knocking out the basic SOI can include PIstol marksmanship along with more fire and manever ranges..

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

5. Bring back lane training or make MCMAP more intense!!! I dont belive it is good hand to hand combat traing, and we are becoming weaker because of it! we should for now add 10 more hours on to each belt.

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

7. Better benfits for Drill instuctors! They are the heart and soul of every Marine! I mean who cant remember there SDI? I belive if any drill instructor moves to SDI and finish four years of that then he or she should be granitied 20 years! Once a Marine always a Marine and i belive that Once a DI always a DI, because they will take those high standars back to there units!

8. Extend SOI by two weeks and add introduction to humvees and other armor! Also a a graduation requirment have them complete a 30k hump!

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.

Ok here we go.
1. You would screw over recruiters because Drill Instructors would be at free will to trash anything they didn't want. Good looking out for manpower.
2. Sure, let's just pistol qual everyone in the MC, you got 6 million more a year for ammo?
3. Please tell me you took into consideration of ages....oh wait no you didn't. Everyone should run a 300 or get kicked out of the MC apparently.
4. Get rid of MCI's and PME? How would an NCO learn how to lead and a LCpl learn how to spell and do math?
5. When was the last time you fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range....calm down.
6. Just rediculous.
7. DI's get 150 extra a month..fair enough. Boost them to early retirement for doing their job? Please.
8. This one doesn't sound so bad, except for the 30k....that's just stupid..they learned how to hump in boot camp.
9. WO's are the top 8% each year selected......you need them to all run over 270 for what reason?
10. Corpsman earned the right to wear the uniform, garrison or combat. You tell them that and see if you bleed to death once you've been shot.
Hope none of this sounded like I was making fun of you, just voicing my opinion.

[USMC_8156]

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.


3. The PFT is garbage anyways. I know some bigger Marines who can't run a 21 to save their life, but I'd trust them to fireman's carry me out of a firefight (if I got shot, or felt sleepy) any day.

4. "Meritorious". And why? You obviously haven't been around long enough to realize that meritorious relates to your job performance. So what, you can swim run shoot and cheat up some MCI's. Can you do your job as well as the next rank above you?

6. This is the one I really wanted to address, since I'm an MSG. Our job, contrary to popular belief, is not to stand in front of the embassy and look like hardened badasses. We work behind one way bulletproof glass, and our job is to safeguard classified information. We're not the swiss guards or the queen's guards (I'd never wear that hat), and I've worked alongside stellar female MSG's. So you can put that one back wherever you found it.

9. Most Warrant Officers are between 30-35 when selected. Wait until your body starts breaking down from 10 years of Marine Corps abuse, especially if you're in the Infantry.

10. I'll bet there are some Corpsmen out there who would slap you silly if you said this to them in person. They go into the same hot zones, the same ambushes, and do the same job, and then they have to patch your stupid ass up when you get hit so you don't bleed to death. And they don't rate to wear your uniform when they get back to the states? Again, shove that shit right back where you found it.

[commonsense101]

The responses to this guys re-vamp of the Marine Corps have been hilarious!!! USMC_8156 your responses are intelligent and hilarious. I needed a good laugh tonight.

[Former_Marine_23]

1.First would Be boot camp and who its not doing its job! Its simple really, if everyone can graduate then it doesnt matter how go the traning is!! I would allow drop on request or(DOR) once a week every sunday. This is to prevent having Marines in the Corps who dont want to be there. We have the best officers in the World because they all want to be there... we cant say the same about the enlisted. That is why we have (UAs) in the first two weeks in MCT and SOI.

2.Next i would put MCT as the 4th month of boot camp.this is because MCT is just going threw the motions not really changing or forcing marines to retain the knowage. If however they learn it under drill instructors they will know! No questions asked.I also believe that this would help Marines going to SOI because they would get twice the training. Even more so we could change SOI to go more indepth with traning because MCT is already knocking out the basic SOI can include PIstol marksmanship along with more fire and manever ranges..

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

5. Bring back lane training or make MCMAP more intense!!! I dont belive it is good hand to hand combat traing, and we are becoming weaker because of it! we should for now add 10 more hours on to each belt.

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

7. Better benfits for Drill instuctors! They are the heart and soul of every Marine! I mean who cant remember there SDI? I belive if any drill instructor moves to SDI and finish four years of that then he or she should be granitied 20 years! Once a Marine always a Marine and i belive that Once a DI always a DI, because they will take those high standars back to there units!

8. Extend SOI by two weeks and add introduction to humvees and other armor! Also a a graduation requirment have them complete a 30k hump!

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.

Holy crap, I almost fell out of my chair when I read this...lol. I'll overlook the blatant spelling and grammar errors because that would just be to easy.

1. Leader already touched on it but last time I checked, not everyone does graduate from bootcamp. Also, there are those that take some time to figure out what the hell they're doing there and then, DING, the light comes on and they seem to fall in line. They signed the paperwork so why the hell should they just get to quit when ever they feel like it?

2. Boot camp is not designed for teaching the things learned in MCT and SOI. Oddly enough, MCT and SOI are designed for teaching the things learned in MCT and SOI. How ridiculous would it be to have a 17 week bootcamp?

3. Everyone in the Marine Corps is not blessed with the legs of a gazelle or able to knock out 20 one are pull ups which you obviously possess the ability to do. Age is the other factor brought up already which you have to factor in. Your 287 isn't the same as a 255 either. You get more points towards your cutting score as a LCpl.

4. I think meritorious is the word you were looking for? Good thing spelling isn't part of the meritorious board, huh?

5. MCMAP is fine. As long as you don't have Marines starting fights because they know the basic warriors stance. Again, already touched on but the practical uses for MCMAP will be few and far between in today's combat environment. When was the last time we used trench warfare again?

6. You're not allowed to speak again!

7. Better benefits? Like free health care, free life insurance, free dental, extra pay? Like those? Wait, they already get those, same as everyone else (with the exception of pay) because they are Marines, same as everyone else. They decided at some point to choose that career path so why should they be fast tracked to retirement because of that? Some MOS's like Intel won't even let you go to DI school except for select cases because you have a clearance and it's worth more to the Marine Corps to have you do your job than get a B Billet.

8. Maybe...except the hump...what does that prove?

9. Ah yes, the little known about Warren Officers. WARRANT officers are hand selected from a field of applicants by HQMC. I'm sure what ever qualifications they are bringing into TBS far exceeds your 270 PFT and sharpshooter qualification.

10. Aside from the previous comments about patching you up in battle, tell them that and then you'll be playing, "Let’s find LCpl Holms medical record." You might want to start with the dumpster out back of BAS.

[LeaderOfMarines]

10. Aside from the previous comments about patching you up in battle, tell them that and then you'll be playing, "Let’s find LCpl Holms medical record." You might want to start with the dumpster out back of BAS.
Haha, that is a good one...but they already do that....

[notamotogrunt]

Yo lance cooly. you are way way toooooo moto. Like where your hearts at, you want to make the corps stronger and physical standards should be raised but it is so hard to judge. I can knock out 20 100 but run like a 25, I also weigh 230. Now youre going to tell me Im not in first class shape......cumon? As far as your ideas about people being promoted I think that the system is EXTREMELY flawed however, the way you suggest to fix it just wouldnt work man. Rethink it then come back with some other ideas bra.
Also the corpsmen thing,
if youre stationed in dc you aint never been there and done it so dont for one second think that you rate to call someone out who has. Our doc would push your shit in if he heard you say something like that.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Ummm.mmm.

Have a good day.

For once in my message board life...I'm totally speechless.

[usmc0471]

Ok here we go.
1. You would screw over recruiters because Drill Instructors would be at free will to trash anything they didn't want. Good looking out for manpower.
2. Sure, let's just pistol qual everyone in the MC, you got 6 million more a year for ammo?
3. Please tell me you took into consideration of ages....oh wait no you didn't. Everyone should run a 300 or get kicked out of the MC apparently.
4. Get rid of MCI's and PME? How would an NCO learn how to lead and a LCpl learn how to spell and do math?
5. When was the last time you fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range....calm down.
6. Just rediculous.
7. DI's get 150 extra a month..fair enough. Boost them to early retirement for doing their job? Please.
8. This one doesn't sound so bad, except for the 30k....that's just stupid..they learned how to hump in boot camp.
9. WO's are the top 8% each year selected......you need them to all run over 270 for what reason?
10. Corpsman earned the right to wear the uniform, garrison or combat. You tell them that and see if you bleed to death once you've been shot.
Hope none of this sounded like I was making fun of you, just voicing my opinion.

Ok first i hope i didnt afend any one.. i just was to make the Marine Corps better by increasing the standards.. I read all of your comments and agreed with a few of them, But i just want to clear up a few things..

1. Now, im not trying to screw over any recruiters i would just prefer a smaller 150,000 or 160,000 to the 220,000 the corps is trying to grow to. Also in boot camp i had to stay up later for sucide watch because recruits were not allowed to quit..
2. im not trying to pistol qual everyone in the MC just the grunts... when i went threw SOI i didnt shot the 50 240 or have any time with the pistol... No i dont have 6 million for ammo but im sure it wouldnt be a waste of money if the corps allowed it..
3. I wasnt taking about the ages just the class should change.
4. Wow! Your right I had already completed all my mcis and thought that was just commom sense. What i was trying to say was time in grade shouldnt matter as much as the ones I listed..
5. lol No I have never fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range, But i would like to see some better hand to hand training.
6. why is this rediculous?? If a fight breaks out outside a US embassy who do you think they will send?
7. Im not trying to boost them to a early retirement, just grante them one for doing a great job!
8. Once again I am just trying to raise the standards. Right now the graduate requirtment is a 20k.
9. Ok Ok your right! maybe a second class to graduate, which would be a 239 to 269. I dont want to go any less then that. I also didnt know that (WO's are the top 8% each year selected) Thank you
10. Again your right! Not trying to put any of them down, but i dont like seeing them wear the uniform wrong back in the states..


Thanks again.

[JLMartin]

Ok first i hope i didnt afend any one.. i just was to make the Marine Corps better by increasing the standards.. I read all of your comments and agreed with a few of them, But i just want to clear up a few things..

1. Now, im not trying to screw over any recruiters i would just prefer a smaller 150,000 or 160,000 to the 220,000 the corps is trying to grow to. Also in boot camp i had to stay up later for sucide watch because recruits were not allowed to quit..
2. im not trying to pistol qual everyone in the MC just the grunts... when i went threw SOI i didnt shot the 50 240 or have any time with the pistol... No i dont have 6 million for ammo but im sure it wouldnt be a waste of money if the corps allowed it..
3. I wasnt taking about the ages just the class should change.
4. Wow! Your right I had already completed all my mcis and thought that was just commom sense. What i was trying to say was time in grade shouldnt matter as much as the ones I listed..
5. lol No I have never fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range, But i would like to see some better hand to hand training.
6. why is this rediculous?? If a fight breaks out outside a US embassy who do you think they will send?
7. Im not trying to boost them to a early retirement, just grante them one for doing a great job!
8. Once again I am just trying to raise the standards. Right now the graduate requirtment is a 20k.
9. Ok Ok your right! maybe a second class to graduate, which would be a 239 to 269. I dont want to go any less then that. I also didnt know that (WO's are the top 8% each year selected) Thank you
10. Again your right! Not trying to put any of them down, but i dont like seeing them wear the uniform wrong back in the states..


Thanks again.


Ok here goes
1. You are obviously not in a deploying unit. I'm on the MLG side of the house at one of the regiments and we can't fill T/O's AT ALL. We have Marines everyday say "screw the dwell time" and go out a few months later.....so yes, lets downsize the Marine Corps and see what happens then. Or maybe we can take all those non-deployers off I&I and everywhere else and deploy them instead!
2. No comment on that one.
3. If you are going to throw out a suggestion....then just clarify.
4. So if time in grade doesn't matter....then what about a Marine who has been a Corporal for only 4 months....should we promote him/her to Sergeant? Doesn't just about every Marine need to learn the ropes of being a good Corporal and a great Marine overall before they get promoted again? Just because you meet all the qualifications for a meritorious board...doesn't mean that they are ready and have enough leadership experience and sadly some units put just about anyone up on the boards just to say they sent someone.
5. I can somewhat of agree, however, how about we add those hours to something else that might actually save your a$$ in combat.
6. So do YOU shoot your weapon with your penis because I know I don't?
7. Drill Instructors and all other Marines on all B Billets are given choice of duty station once they PCS. Again, needs of the Marine Corps come first for obvious reasons but they are allowed that and deferrment from deployment for at least a year. They can waive that year if they choose to.
8. They will get enough convoy training and humps when they work up for deployments.
9. Why don't you bring the whole issue you have with Warrant Officers up to an actual Warrant Officer. Report back with their response because I don't see too many shitty ones walking around these days.
10. If you don't respect your Corpsmen, then you are 5 beers short of a 6 pack.


I know in boot camp, I learned that there is a reason for everything in the Marine Corps. Maybe you should take some time to learn why things are the way they are before you say they should be changed. You may not always see the method behind the madness.

[LeaderOfMarines]

Ok first i hope i didnt afend any one.. i just was to make the Marine Corps better by increasing the standards.. I read all of your comments and agreed with a few of them, But i just want to clear up a few things..

1. Now, im not trying to screw over any recruiters i would just prefer a smaller 150,000 or 160,000 to the 220,000 the corps is trying to grow to. Also in boot camp i had to stay up later for sucide watch because recruits were not allowed to quit..
2. im not trying to pistol qual everyone in the MC just the grunts... when i went threw SOI i didnt shot the 50 240 or have any time with the pistol... No i dont have 6 million for ammo but im sure it wouldnt be a waste of money if the corps allowed it..
3. I wasnt taking about the ages just the class should change.
4. Wow! Your right I had already completed all my mcis and thought that was just commom sense. What i was trying to say was time in grade shouldnt matter as much as the ones I listed..
5. lol No I have never fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range, But i would like to see some better hand to hand training.
6. why is this rediculous?? If a fight breaks out outside a US embassy who do you think they will send?
7. Im not trying to boost them to a early retirement, just grante them one for doing a great job!
8. Once again I am just trying to raise the standards. Right now the graduate requirtment is a 20k.
9. Ok Ok your right! maybe a second class to graduate, which would be a 239 to 269. I dont want to go any less then that. I also didnt know that (WO's are the top 8% each year selected) Thank you
10. Again your right! Not trying to put any of them down, but i dont like seeing them wear the uniform wrong back in the states..


Thanks again.
Alright,
1. You would technically do more than screw over recruiters with smaller numbers, especially if you have ever been to combat and deal with the small dwell times we already have.
2. If your primary concern is getting them pistol qualed, you should probably focus on your marksmanship program. The pistol should only be used in combat situations as an alternate advantage while you seek for cover (hince the spors acronym for the m-9)
3. The ages should change with the classes, as it will be harder to achieve that class once your older. Im sure one day we will all know how those 1stSgt's and SgtMajor's feel.
4. You would be amazed how many Marines in every MOS don't do their MCI's. Having alot of MCI's completed, maybe along with some off-duty education makes a great statement on Meritorious boards. I won 2 meritorious boards mainly because I had alot more MCI's completed and off-duty education. It just shows that you are working towards advancing your knowledge and bettering yourself. Not saying that the other stuff doesn't count. Technically time in grade doesn't count for anything, if your an E-3 and below. If you want to be an NCO there is and should be a TIS minimum to ensure your not progressing too fast for your own good.
5. I personally don't care about martial arts because Im not hand to hand combat fighting anyone in war and Im not out at bars on the weekends being a retard. But maybe that is something you can bring up to your NCO's and SNCO's, maybe a MCMAP instructor trainer and get something implemented. Ya never know. Good luck with that.
6. If a fight breaks out at a US Embassy, they will send United States Marines, not men or women, Marines!
7. So if I did good at recruiting then the same, or what about MSG or MCT instructors?
8. Why raise the standards? What is the worth of a 30 k vice a 20 k?
9. Your welcome, but that 8% usually have a great PFT and rifle score to be selected at all. I don't know about you, but I haven't seen any crap bag Warrant Officers walking around lately.
10. How are they wearing it wrong? Because it doesn't say U.S. Marines on their name tape or is it that there are no E.G.A.'s?
Your welcome Marine, anytime.

[USMC_8156]

1. Now, im not trying to screw over any recruiters i would just prefer a smaller 150,000 or 160,000 to the 220,000 the corps is trying to grow to. Also in boot camp i had to stay up later for sucide watch because recruits were not allowed to quit..
2. im not trying to pistol qual everyone in the MC just the grunts... when i went threw SOI i didnt shot the 50 240 or have any time with the pistol... No i dont have 6 million for ammo but im sure it wouldnt be a waste of money if the corps allowed it..
3. I wasnt taking about the ages just the class should change.
4. Wow! Your right I had already completed all my mcis and thought that was just commom sense. What i was trying to say was time in grade shouldnt matter as much as the ones I listed..
5. lol No I have never fought someone ninja style while rounds were flying down range, But i would like to see some better hand to hand training.
6. why is this rediculous?? If a fight breaks out outside a US embassy who do you think they will send?
7. Im not trying to boost them to a early retirement, just grante them one for doing a great job!
8. Once again I am just trying to raise the standards. Right now the graduate requirtment is a 20k.
9. Ok Ok your right! maybe a second class to graduate, which would be a 239 to 269. I dont want to go any less then that. I also didnt know that (WO's are the top 8% each year selected) Thank you
10. Again your right! Not trying to put any of them down, but i dont like seeing them wear the uniform wrong back in the states..


Thanks again.

5. What Leader meant by this was that if you can't see an operational reason to do something, we are not going to do it. If the gain from pistol qualing every grunt and turning every Marine into Chuck Norris is a multi-million dollar deficit with a very minimal upside, they're not going to do it.
6. It's ridiculous because you have no idea the way the MSG program works. We have a hard enough time qualifying people for this duty and getting them to pass the school without some chucklehead deciding women can't do the job. If a female Marine can pass MSG school (where men drop out in record numbers) she deserves to be on the program.
7. They are doing their job like the rest of us. Is a DI more important than a grunt in Fallujah? How about the radioman who calls in his support? How about the pilot who flies in to save him? How about the gunner who covers the egressing Marines? How about the Mech who fixes the helo when it gets back to ground? How about the chow hall Marine who makes sure those Marines get fed when they get off the helo?
We all do our job, and nobody deserves special treatment.
9. Where is this notion that physical performance equals job performance coming from? A WO is a technical expert in their field. How does that relate to running fast and doing lots of pull ups? I'd rather have a smart guy who does 10/90/24 than an idiot who runs a 300 for an OIC.
10. You can't wear cammies wrong. You can wash them, dry them, and put them on, and they look pretty much the same as everyone else's. At least I'm sure you're too boot to have seen a Corpsman in (S) Alphas. That shit is pretty hilarious.

[USSConstellation]

out of all the responses that I have read, I have to say that the penis response was the funniest thing I have heard in a very very long time. Kudos to the Marine who made that hilarious statement

[USSConstellation]

1.First would Be boot camp and who its not doing its job! Its simple really, if everyone can graduate then it doesnt matter how go the traning is!! I would allow drop on request or(DOR) once a week every sunday. This is to prevent having Marines in the Corps who dont want to be there. We have the best officers in the World because they all want to be there... we cant say the same about the enlisted. That is why we have (UAs) in the first two weeks in MCT and SOI.

2.Next i would put MCT as the 4th month of boot camp.this is because MCT is just going threw the motions not really changing or forcing marines to retain the knowage. If however they learn it under drill instructors they will know! No questions asked.I also believe that this would help Marines going to SOI because they would get twice the training. Even more so we could change SOI to go more indepth with traning because MCT is already knocking out the basic SOI can include PIstol marksmanship along with more fire and manever ranges..

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

5. Bring back lane training or make MCMAP more intense!!! I dont belive it is good hand to hand combat traing, and we are becoming weaker because of it! we should for now add 10 more hours on to each belt.

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

7. Better benfits for Drill instuctors! They are the heart and soul of every Marine! I mean who cant remember there SDI? I belive if any drill instructor moves to SDI and finish four years of that then he or she should be granitied 20 years! Once a Marine always a Marine and i belive that Once a DI always a DI, because they will take those high standars back to there units!

8. Extend SOI by two weeks and add introduction to humvees and other armor! Also a a graduation requirment have them complete a 30k hump!

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.



Not all officers want to be in the Marine Corps, I have seen my fair share of them who want out just as bad as the next person. They do have a thing called drop of request and eventually they get out. Not all Marines go UA because they don't want to be in the Marine Corps, yes that is a big thing and maybe sometimes it happens to ruin very valuable relationships and therefore the Marine goes UA. Or a Marine who doesn't want to deploy for the 3rd time, a Marine who has lost his entire family because of the Marine Corps( lots of Marines lose their wives and husbands because of the Corps)

I know I learned alot of stuff at MCT that I did not learn at bootcamp. So basically you are saying that Marines dont learn anything unless a DI teaches it to them? YOU ARE KIDDING ME RIGHT?

Before I deployed, I learned alot of fire positions and manuevers. I am not even in the grunts and I have had plenty of time to familiarize myself with the 240, 50 cal and the mark 19. You load at and pull the trigger, it's not that complicated buddy. I am sure they don't put some retard on a 50 cal on a humvee.

I almost don't want to comment on this one. Not everyone can run like a gazelle, or do 20 pull ups. I have met some great Marines that can't run for crap and some that can barely get a few pull ups but they are very very proficient at their jobs. We are already elite, Marines and other service members are considered to be in the top 5% of the country in physical fitness and weight standards. I've seen skinny Marines that can do 20 pull ups and run an 18 minute 3 mile, but I bet he would have a very hard time carrying me.
How can you not give anyone an "old man" pft, for god sake! Wait till you get older and your body is broken. I am 24 and feel like I am 40 years old sometimes. The Marine Corps beats your body to death.

hahahha this is hilarious. So you think you should just get promoted because you can pt, you can shoot and you can swim? WOW THAT MAKES YOU A GREAT MARINE, I wish I had more and more just like you!

Just because you have a green belt or brown belt doesn't mean you can fight. Shoot so next time I deploy I won't have my rifle? Crap I better start taking some more MCMAP classes. Hey kiddo, we don't fight hand to hand anymore. Obviously you don't know that.

I can't even respond to this ignorant comment, it is just so damn ridiculous.

Wow damn if that ever happens, I am going to DI school so I can retire after 4 years! You cannot be serious?

Let's break our grunts even more before they graduate SOI? Why in the heck would a grunt really need to know about armor? Put the shit on and wear it right. grunts don't armor their own humvees and we have motor t which knows all about humvees.

Obviously you will never become a WO!

Navy corpsmen save your life! think before you speak next time

Oh yes PLEASE PLEASE decrease the size of the Marine Corps. my 5 months of dwell time before every deployment is WAY TOO MUCH TIME AT HOME WITH MY FAMILY FOR ME! Great idea LCpl

[JLMartin]

out of all the responses that I have read, I have to say that the penis response was the funniest thing I have heard in a very very long time. Kudos to the Marine who made that hilarious statement

My pleasure!

[Lone_NCO]

I just wanna say this is the funniest thread i've read since i've been on this site.

This really is why LCpls dont run the Marine Corps, for the guy who brought up this topic. We all understand your intentions were good, highly motivated, oohrah kill kinds of comments. Unfortunately most are not practical or realistic. You will propably make an outstanding NCO one day with your motivation, however you need the time and experience to understand how things work. Also, when you do pick up Cpl and you have junior Marines who cant meet your PFT standards, tell me your going to kick them out

[wzgriffith]

Hold up ya'll. At least this kid cares about where the Corps is going. It's lack of experience that explains his HOLY MOTO idea, but at least he's not listing off all the shit he hates about the Corps. Props for caring, just give it some time and he'll understand better how to be a well-rounded Marine, without crazy expectations.

[Swing With The Wing]

I’m sure everyone is aware of the Commandant’s implementation a new Combat Fitness Test (CFT). The combat fitness test will augment the PFT and consist of events that replicate the physical demands of combat. I’m sure that this will eventually level the playing field when it comes to promotions. Soon those ‘String Bean Marines’ will be forced to hit the gym and put some real muscle on their frame. Like Sgt Maj Kent said “Have you ever seen a Marine carry another Marine in combat wearing running shoes and green 'silkies'?”

On a side note, the only time I have ever seen MCMAP used for “Official Business” is when PMO gets called by the DNCO to break up the occasional drunken barracks brawl.

[USMC_8156]

I’m sure everyone is aware of the Commandant’s implementation a new Combat Fitness Test (CFT). The combat fitness test will augment the PFT and consist of events that replicate the physical demands of combat. I’m sure that this will eventually level the playing field when it comes to promotions. Soon those ‘String Bean Marines’ will be forced to hit the gym and put some real muscle on their frame. Like Sgt Maj Kent said “Have you ever seen a Marine carry another Marine in combat wearing running shoes and green 'silkies'?”

On a side note, the only time I have ever seen MCMAP used for “Official Business” is when PMO gets called by the DNCO to break up the occasional drunken barracks brawl.


I hope they replace the PFT with the CFT. The PFT in my mind has always been pretty useless.

[notamotogrunt]

What all will the CFT include?

[Just a Marine]

850 meter sprint low crawl, high crawl, sprint wih 2- 30 pound ammo cans throw a dummy greand 25 meters into a 5 meter square box a buddy drag, firemans carry, zig zag around some cones. I think that is all there is. I might be wrong though.

[Just a Marine]

oh yeah lift one 30 pound ammo can from your chest to above your head as many times as you can in 2 minutes. Has anybody heard how it is going to be scored?

[notamotogrunt]

You do the sprint for x num of meters then low crawl for x num of meter so on and so on til you get to 850 (carying ammo cans the whole way)????? And how long do you get to do the test?
Sounds like a great test Im excited to see how it will work.

[USMC_8156]

I took it, it's scored by time. We didn't have the "passing" scores, but we all smoked the example sheet that was sent out. The sprints are a killer because you're running with 20 lbs in each hand. It doesn't sound that bad, but by the time you do that, then the buddy drags, it's more tiring than you'd think.

It's still not going to kill someone in great shape, but it's a much better evaluation of overall condition, IMO.

[Lone_NCO]

Any idea when this CFT is actually going into effect?

I'm kinda looking forward to it, it should help weed out some of those who are less physically fit, which will help those in your individual MOS with promotion, but not over all throughout the Marine Corps. Since cutting scores are based off demand by MOS not over all who is the better Marines, so cooks and supply admin will be pinning on Cpl with 2 point cutting scores. Still, being physically fit doesnt necessarily make a Marine a better NCO.

[LeaderOfMarines]

Any idea when this CFT is actually going into effect?

I'm kinda looking forward to it, it should help weed out some of those who are less physically fit, which will help those in your individual MOS with promotion, but not over all throughout the Marine Corps. Since cutting scores are based off demand by MOS not over all who is the better Marines, so cooks and supply admin will be pinning on Cpl with 2 point cutting scores. Still, being physically fit doesnt necessarily make a Marine a better NCO.

Lone_NCO, I can understand and mourn with you for the most part, but if that MOS needs a slot filled, the ones who have those low scores are going to be promoted. I personally do not like that system, but as an O I cannot take it to heart since that is how enlisted promotions are set up. Personally I think the Marine Corps should set the bar higher reguardless if they need a slot filled or not. (I am talking about those MOS' who's cutting score is around 1100-1600, not those who suffer from 1750-1900 scores.) When I was a young Sgt. back in the 90's I pinned on with a 1724. In those times, that was still considered low. I am not saying that made me a better NCO, or a better leader. I personally would like to see MOS qualification integrated into promotions, but that is probably asking for way too much.
Funny thought off hand. I remember being at Sgt.'s course and being upset that I had to write a 13 page patrol order, but the grunts didn't have to explain how to be motor-t or explain how to take a fuel sample on a CH-46.

[Lone_NCO]

I dont know, it might have made you a better NCO because you had more time to develop, So just the opposite its very few Cpls who I feel rate who've only been in for a year in a half, they rarely have the experience. I wasnt trying to individually down food service, or supply or any other MOS, they've just had particulary low cutting scores over the past few years. Its all love. I dont have a problem until an individual says something to me then i'll single out that individual.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I dont know, it might have made you a better NCO because you had more time to develop, So just the opposite its very few Cpls who I feel rate who've only been in for a year in a half, they rarely have the experience. I wasnt trying to individually down food service, or supply or any other MOS, they've just had particulary low cutting scores over the past few years. Its all love. I dont have a problem until an individual says something to me then i'll single out that individual.
I can definately agree with you on the more time to develop issue. Makes sense. Unfortunately people don't usually look at it from a quality stand point, yet a quantity. That is probably why the SgtMajor of the Marine Corps wrote the "Baby NCO's" spill. If the shoe fits then wear it.

[USMC_8156]

I hear that...the funny thing is, you never notice it until you work outside of your MOS. You only see it when you end up with a bunch of other MOS's, and you have 2.5 year Sgt's who picked up by score and don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. I've seen plenty of shops where there are LCpl's and Cpl's who are basically the SME's and Sgt's who organize working parties and play games all day. A Sgt who doesn't know his MOS should not be a Sgt, I don't care if you're an 0311 or a 2111.

[USSConstellation]

I hear that...the funny thing is, you never notice it until you work outside of your MOS. You only see it when you end up with a bunch of other MOS's, and you have 2.5 year Sgt's who picked up by score and don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. I've seen plenty of shops where there are LCpl's and Cpl's who are basically the SME's and Sgt's who organize working parties and play games all day. A Sgt who doesn't know his MOS should not be a Sgt, I don't care if you're an 0311 or a 2111.

I have the perfect story for ya. So this Cpl lat moves into my job, Intel and he reenlists so he picks up 60 extra bonus points and happens to pick up Sgt. Let me add this, we have 3 Cpl's currently in the shop and 1 of them has been to Iraq once and the other two have been 3 times and these are two of the smartest Marines I have ever met. So this Marine is OJT and picks up Sgt, he hasnt even been to MOS school yet and as soon as he picks up he decides he wants to change everything around and not OJT and learn his job before he goes to school but he wants to make it known that he is now a Sgt and we all have to listen to everything he says. Needless to say, I picked up and now I can do whatever I want in regards to him and he will be working just like the PFC and LCpl's who are trying to learn their job.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I have the perfect story for ya. So this Cpl lat moves into my job, Intel and he reenlists so he picks up 60 extra bonus points and happens to pick up Sgt. Let me add this, we have 3 Cpl's currently in the shop and 1 of them has been to Iraq once and the other two have been 3 times and these are two of the smartest Marines I have ever met. So this Marine is OJT and picks up Sgt, he hasnt even been to MOS school yet and as soon as he picks up he decides he wants to change everything around and not OJT and learn his job before he goes to school but he wants to make it known that he is now a Sgt and we all have to listen to everything he says. Needless to say, I picked up and now I can do whatever I want in regards to him and he will be working just like the PFC and LCpl's who are trying to learn their job.

USSConstellation, question? How did that Marine get to just change everything around all of a sudden? No stacking session? LOL, that is the way we used to do it. Congrats on picking up Sgt. make a difference for the good and not the bad.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I hear that...the funny thing is, you never notice it until you work outside of your MOS. You only see it when you end up with a bunch of other MOS's, and you have 2.5 year Sgt's who picked up by score and don't know their ass from a hole in the ground. I've seen plenty of shops where there are LCpl's and Cpl's who are basically the SME's and Sgt's who organize working parties and play games all day. A Sgt who doesn't know his MOS should not be a Sgt, I don't care if you're an 0311 or a 2111.

I remember going to the range and different training assignments and meeting a whole plethera of different MOS Sgt's and being disgusted that they were afraid to take control of their Marines. So, I did it for them, did they get butt hurt? Probably, but atleast it was taken care of. I concur, if I have to write a fit rep on a Marine who doesn't know jack about his MOS, then they don't rank up too high if you know what I mean. Too bad there isn't a "general Marine" MOS for those who are great at greenside training "future D.I.'s" but suck at learning their job.

[Agent0311_guest]

Let the Navy take over all Marine air assests with maybe the exception of helicopters. Also, let the Navy take over most non-combat arms functions leaving infantry, armor, and arty to the corps. Instead of expanding the corps as proposed, reduce the corps' manpower and put the focus on ground combat functions. Also, relieve the corps of embassy security functions. (Perhaps Blackwater could take over embassy security since they are making such a killing :rolleyes: performing diplomatic security in Iraq.

I was in the infantry (2/5 VN 68) and later with the 3rd MAW at El Toro. The corps doesn't need fixed wing air assets, and America doesn't need three air forces.

[USMC_8156]

Let the Navy take over all Marine air assests with maybe the exception of helicopters. Also, let the Navy take over most non-combat arms functions leaving infantry, armor, and arty to the corps. Instead of expanding the corps as proposed, reduce the corps' manpower and put the focus on ground combat functions. Also, relieve the corps of embassy security functions. (Perhaps Blackwater could take over embassy security since they are making such a killing :rolleyes: performing diplomatic security in Iraq.

I was in the infantry (2/5 VN 68) and later with the 3rd MAW at El Toro. The corps doesn't need fixed wing air assets, and America doesn't need three air forces.

So you want to dissassemble the MAGTF doctrine and warfighting strategy that we've spent the last couple hundred years developing?

Why?

Like most Marines, you probably have no idea what MSG's actually do at embassies.

[LeaderOfMarines]

So you want to dissassemble the MAGTF doctrine and warfighting strategy that we've spent the last couple hundred years developing?

Why?

Like most Marines, you probably have no idea what MSG's actually do at embassies.

I was under the impression from talking to several MSG Marines that the E-5 and below do most of the watch standing (which is important) and the staff do command and control. I know you guys do a butt load of weapons and MCMAP training too from what I have heard. Obviously I am not up to speed on MSG, if you could inform me if I am wrong I would appreciate it.

[USMC_8156]

I was under the impression from talking to several MSG Marines that the E-5 and below do most of the watch standing (which is important) and the staff do command and control. I know you guys do a butt load of weapons and MCMAP training too from what I have heard. Obviously I am not up to speed on MSG, if you could inform me if I am wrong I would appreciate it.

That's the gist of it, however our job is not to guard the embassy or the diplomats. We provide internal security to protect classified information. Wikipedia explains it pretty well. Everyone in the fleet thinks it's like in the Saint where we stand in front of the gate and open up for Americans who are running from the mob...

The training is ridiculous. The school has a 40-60% attrition rate, and while on the program I think it's somewhere around only 70% make it through the three years without being sent home.

[LeaderOfMarines]

That's the gist of it, however our job is not to guard the embassy or the diplomats. We provide internal security to protect classified information. Wikipedia explains it pretty well. Everyone in the fleet thinks it's like in the Saint where we stand in front of the gate and open up for Americans who are running from the mob...

The training is ridiculous. The school has a 40-60% attrition rate, and while on the program I think it's somewhere around only 70% make it through the three years without being sent home.

I have always pictured them standing at some huge gate....obviously I was wrong. Thanks for the info, it sheds new light on that B-Billet. I met a 4 year SSgt. on the pistol range a few weeks ago who just checked in from MSG duty. He picked up everything meritoriously, so obviously there are some good things about MSG.

[Agent0311_guest]

Guard duty ('security" if you will) always struck me as being a drag. After returning stateside from Vietnam where I was an 0311 in 1968, I was put on a guard unit at El Toro. The guard duty assignment motivated me to request to attend the Army intel school just to get out of walking around in the middle of the night with a 12 guage pump on my shoulder.
Leader', aviation is only 105 years old. What was the corps flying during the Civil War, hot air observation balloons?

[LeaderOfMarines]

Leader', aviation is only 105 years old. What was the corps flying during the Civil War, hot air observation balloons?
Yeh, they also rode horses.....so where are you heading with that one? Do you have a musket joke too?

[USMC_8156]

Yeh, they also rode horses.....so where are you heading with that one? Do you have a musket joke too?

I think he was confused, I was the one who said the MAGTF strategy was the result of couple hundred years of development. Which it is. Just because modern aviation is a recent advancement (relatively), does not mean that the whole concept of a well rounded expeditionary force is not a long time in the making. The idea is you take an expeditionary group of Marines who take care of comm, supply, mech, and fighting all on their own. Each Marine is infantry trained as well, and this results in a fast, deadly force.

The technology at each point in development is irrelevant. What I was saying to Agent0311_Guest is that dissassembly of the MAGTF because he thinks we should only be 03's is a step backwards in brain development.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I think he was confused, I was the one who said the MAGTF strategy was the result of couple hundred years of development. Which it is. Just because modern aviation is a recent advancement (relatively), does not mean that the whole concept of a well rounded expeditionary force is not a long time in the making. The idea is you take an expeditionary group of Marines who take care of comm, supply, mech, and fighting all on their own. Each Marine is infantry trained as well, and this results in a fast, deadly force.

The technology at each point in development is irrelevant. What I was saying to Agent0311_Guest is that dissassembly of the MAGTF because he thinks we should only be 03's is a step backwards in brain development.

Well I thought my response was pretty snazzy.....eh!

[Agent0311_guest]

....not dismissing other MOSes.
I don't think we need two armies and three air forces. The Marines should be a boutique infantry force with focus on special applications. Let the Army expand and take in the Dirty Dozen while the Marines focus on honor students, or at least B minus and up material. All career NCOs and officers must learn to speak a foreign language. No fatties. Everyone must be able to pass at PT test. (Is the CMC test still held twice yearly?)

Does the corps require that all become basic swimmers? People who can't swim should become cops.

[SSgtAllen3381]

....not dismissing other MOSes.
I don't think we need two armies and three air forces. The Marines should be a boutique infantry force with focus on special applications. Let the Army expand and take in the Dirty Dozen while the Marines focus on honor students, or at least B minus and up material. All career NCOs and officers must learn to speak a foreign language. No fatties. Everyone must be able to pass at PT test. (Is the CMC test still held twice yearly?)

Does the corps require that all become basic swimmers? People who can't swim should become cops.

Yes, every recruit at Boot Camp is required to pass the swimming test. The PFT is done semi annualy and now with the added CF, coming soon to a Marine Base near you. :)

[Lone_NCO]

God thats funny, I'm not trying to imply grunts are stupid by any means, but being B- material in no way, shape or form represents how good a man can follow orders, lead Marines, or handle weapons. I'm all for tightening down on physical fitness, because i'm in good shape:cool: , but seriously I think at this point if we had standards like that the USMC would become so much of a smaller force we wouldnt be able to function. Especially with all the other branches still dishing out way better bonuses then us.

[RETSGTMAJ]

Bonuses, Bonuses, Bonuses. So sick of hearing about it. What happened to staying in the Corps because you just wanted to be a Marine! It has gotten to be a sad day when we have to "buy" Marines now. The whole bonus system is unfair anyway. The hard charging Marines out front get nothing compared to the weenies sitting in a nice office playing with their nice machines. I stayed in the Marine Corps for 30 years because I loved being a Marine and being around Marines. I Love the Corps; I love the Corps; I wish I could do 30 More!!

[USMC_8156]

Bonuses, Bonuses, Bonuses. So sick of hearing about it. What happened to staying in the Corps because you just wanted to be a Marine! It has gotten to be a sad day when we have to "buy" Marines now. The whole bonus system is unfair anyway. The hard charging Marines out front get nothing compared to the weenies sitting in a nice office playing with their nice machines. I stayed in the Marine Corps for 30 years because I loved being a Marine and being around Marines. I Love the Corps; I love the Corps; I wish I could do 30 More!!

That's because it's easier to fill the ranks of the "front lines" than it is to fill some of the "weenie" positions. Sorry to say it, but that's just the way it is. Things will never be the same. Yeah, that's just the way it is.

I think the problem these days is that we are doing the same job as every other service. Let's be honest here, most Marines who get out can go into Delta, Ranger, Combat Controller, or SF, which are all just as hardcore as we are. If you can do the same thing, and get paid 4x your year's salary upon signing to do it...it makes sense. All motivation aside, of course.

And for the record...I extended for free.

EDIT: I forgot about the SEALs. They're ok.

[SSgtAllen3381]

I'm not sure how long the SGTMAJ has been out, but some of those front line guys' bonuses are outstanding.

I've been in almost 16 years and I finally got a bonus...I TOOK IT WITH PRIDE. That was my reenlistment (the same one every Marine is afforded the opportunity to get) bonus that is...not this other "stuff" going around. :)

[dgeezy]

1.First would Be boot camp and who its not doing its job! Its simple really, if everyone can graduate then it doesnt matter how go the traning is!! I would allow drop on request or(DOR) once a week every sunday. This is to prevent having Marines in the Corps who dont want to be there. We have the best officers in the World because they all want to be there... we cant say the same about the enlisted. That is why we have (UAs) in the first two weeks in MCT and SOI.

2.Next i would put MCT as the 4th month of boot camp.this is because MCT is just going threw the motions not really changing or forcing marines to retain the knowage. If however they learn it under drill instructors they will know! No questions asked.I also believe that this would help Marines going to SOI because they would get twice the training. Even more so we could change SOI to go more indepth with traning because MCT is already knocking out the basic SOI can include PIstol marksmanship along with more fire and manever ranges..

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

5. Bring back lane training or make MCMAP more intense!!! I dont belive it is good hand to hand combat traing, and we are becoming weaker because of it! we should for now add 10 more hours on to each belt.

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

7. Better benfits for Drill instuctors! They are the heart and soul of every Marine! I mean who cant remember there SDI? I belive if any drill instructor moves to SDI and finish four years of that then he or she should be granitied 20 years! Once a Marine always a Marine and i belive that Once a DI always a DI, because they will take those high standars back to there units!

8. Extend SOI by two weeks and add introduction to humvees and other armor! Also a a graduation requirment have them complete a 30k hump!

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.


First.... Learn how to spell........boot.

Ok...

1. To fix bootcamp, you must first fix the recruits. Recruiters should not be allowed to recruit anyone who has not at least graduated high school... period. No, GED's.. sorry If you dont have enough discipline to complete HIGH SCHOOL then you def. don't have enough to be in the Corps. Stop recruiting FATBODIES, they have no place in the Corps. There should be no "mission" for the month for recruiters, if it's an "all volunteer" service, then it should be treated as such. Recruiters shouldnt have to worry about trying to talk some scumbag into going to meps just to make mission. Now, on to bootcamp... I agree bootcamp and SOI should be combined. MCT should be eliminated, it's a joke and everyone knows it. You have the recruits right there, ready and willing to do/ learn anything and everything because they have the biggest incentive ever.... going home.

3. I agree, the PFT standards are garbage. I think 250 and higher should be a 1st class. 225-249 2nd, and 200-224 3rd. Women Should also have to take the same EXACT PFT as the men too. Equality right?

4. Ok promotions..... The whole score system is fucked. It should be up to your command who gets promoted and who does'nt. (technically it is, but everyone knows its not enforced) HQMC puts out numbers every month for promotions, It should be up to Unit Commanders who gets promoted, not a cutting score. It's bullshit when some disgusting fatbody pog picks up the same rank as you in a fraction of the time, just because his pog mos's cutting score was lower than his IQ.

Whatever to the rest

[LeaderOfMarines]

It's bullshit when some disgusting fatbody pog picks up the same rank as you in a fraction of the time, just because his pog mos's cutting score was lower than his IQ.
Then go be a pog with a low cutting score and stop complaining, or max out on all your MCI's, shoot expert, run a 300 and pick up.

[JLMartin]

First.... Learn how to spell........boot.

3. I agree, the PFT standards are garbage. I think 250 and higher should be a 1st class. 225-249 2nd, and 200-224 3rd. Women Should also have to take the same EXACT PFT as the men too. Equality right?

4. Ok promotions..... The whole score system is fucked. It should be up to your command who gets promoted and who does'nt. (technically it is, but everyone knows its not enforced) HQMC puts out numbers every month for promotions, It should be up to Unit Commanders who gets promoted, not a cutting score. It's bullshit when some disgusting fatbody pog picks up the same rank as you in a fraction of the time, just because his pog mos's cutting score was lower than his IQ.

Whatever to the rest

3. That's about the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

4. I somewhat of agree on this one. I almost wish they'd combine how the army and the navy promotes along with out scoring system.
First go off the cutting score.
Second, take a placement type test on your actual MOS to see how much you know. If you don't know your supply job, then why let you be an NCO in supply right?!?!? Also have different test for different units, like say if you work as supply at an I&I vice the SMU at Pendleton, then they should have standardized testing up to Cpl and then after that, for Sgt test you on everything overall in that MOS, as an example.
Third, sit in front a review board....of officers and staff from another unit other then yours and let them grill you and see if you are mature, smart and locked on enough to pick up that next rank.

I know none of this is possible if we did promotions EVERY month like we already do but if they cut it down to promoting either 2 or 4 times a year I beleive it's possible.

[dgeezy]

You don't have to say it...it was surely implied. Oh no, I made a grammatical error online. Please take my Bachelor's away. If you take away cutting scores then how can your CO figure out where you stand among your peers? You think being qualified in your area is going to get it done? People get "qualified" all the time without being competent. Don't say it doesn't happen, I have seen it happen from enlisted to officer. So if that is the case, how should you get evaluated?

So you believe a cutting score tells you what kind of marine you are? Wow, glad youre not my CO......or are you??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

[Goldy]

So you believe a cutting score tells you what kind of marine you are? Wow, glad youre not my CO......or are you??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

I'm so glad you can hide behind the anonymity of the internet to insult a superior. Way to be a solid Marine:rolleyes:




If you take away cutting scores then how can your CO figure out where you stand among your peers?
Even though a composite score definitely not the best way to measure the competence of a Marine, it's usually all we've got for an officer that doesn't actually know his Marines, or ever see them work (which should NEVER be the case, but we all know it happens).
The most reliable method is to simply be around your junior Marines on a semi- consistent basis, and then you'll really get a grasp of who's capable, and who is not. It doesn't have to be for lengthy periods of time... just enough to see them regularly, learn their names, and see how they're doing. Marines can only put up a "front" for so long, before their true character is revealed. If you're around them more than once a week for an hour, you'll see it.


...and if you don't believe that the command should know their Marines.... then...well, that's a whole different can of worms.

[LeaderOfMarines]

So you believe a cutting score tells you what kind of marine you are? Wow, glad youre not my CO......or are you??? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

So the Commanding Officer of your unit watches you on a daily basis? Holds your hand on a PFT? Watches you swim, get gassed, and shoot? I personally think alot of the promotion system is flawed because it will always be not 100% accurate, but you live with it or get out and become a civilian.

[dgeezy]

So the Commanding Officer of your unit watches you on a daily basis? Holds your hand on a PFT? Watches you swim, get gassed, and shoot? I personally think alot of the promotion system is flawed because it will always be not 100% accurate, but you live with it or get out and become a civilian.

will do.............again.

[Lone_NCO]

I would make being a cry baby an NJPable offense jk, but I would hold senior leadership to higher standards, try to better the promotion system and raise our pay. (Feel like i'm running for president) As well as possibly change the way the rank structure works. There is no way a Lt with less then 8 yrs in, should ever be telling a gunny, with over 15yrs in, what to do. College isnt a substitute for experience, it just means you might (special emphasis on might) be getting paid more as a civilian. I would try to get us better stuff, I mean its great that we can get the mission done with less, but wouldnt it be nice if we didnt have to? Last, all this kinder, softer stuff would go out the window. We are Marines the few the proud, first to FIGHT!!! Not first to be politcaly correct, that wasnt in the brochure.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Lone....

I WOULD VOTE FOR YOU!!!!!

You make some valid points. But, there is no way the rank structure will ever change to the effect of an Enlisted Marine telling an Officer what to do. Now, we all can "tell" an Officer a better way to do something, and that is called Tact as well as Iintestinal Fortitude. I'm sure you have to use it everyday doing what you are doing. I've only met one Officer in my time in the Corps that never listened to reason.

Also, the brochure part...I didn't get one. :)

[USMC_8156]

I agree with you there...the officer/enlisted system is nothing more than a carry over from the British system, which is based on nothing more then feudalism.

I doubt it will ever change, but I wish everyone could start at Private. Not that I don't have it in me to break off a Lt who does something stupid.

[LeaderOfMarines]

I'll gladly take an order from a Gunny who does it tactfully.....key word..

[notamotogrunt]

A gunny whos been in the corps for as long as he has is (assuming he aint a bitch) is gonna tell you to get fucked buddy. Your little traffic stripes dont mean shit to him. I hate when officers think they rate something cause their collar shines. Now I happened to have a few good officers so they didnt bother me a bit but Ive also had some dbags who didnt even rate to salute themselves. SNCOs know more than officers under 04s (generally speaking maybe o5s in some cases and there are some stupid sncos), thats a flat fact. To hell with tact you got something to say, say it like a man.

[LeaderOfMarines]

A gunny whos been in the corps for as long as he has is (assuming he aint a bitch) is gonna tell you to get fucked buddy. Your little traffic stripes dont mean shit to him. I hate when officers think they rate something cause their collar shines. Now I happened to have a few good officers so they didnt bother me a bit but Ive also had some dbags who didnt even rate to salute themselves. SNCOs know more than officers under 04s (generally speaking maybe o5s in some cases and there are some stupid sncos), thats a flat fact. To hell with tact you got something to say, say it like a man.
Haha, funny thing that I was a Gunny when you were in high school so I know how the enlisted side works you tool. That is why I said I would listen when a Gunny speaks because I know they have experience, otherwise they would still be PFC loser whiping up dirt. You are quick to jump the gun considering you don't know who your talking to. If I had came in the OCS without going enlisted I would maybe agree with some of your statement because I wouldn't know any better. Although you get people like you who ride the system out and somehow pick up Gunny and think you are going to tell a Captain what to do....get real. Say all you want to on the forums, but your fitrep will reflect. (you don't know about those yet)

[GruntCapt]

The corps doesn't need fixed wing air assets, and America doesn't need three air forces.

I just spent three years as a Joint Terminal Attack Controller. I've controlled Marine, Navy, Air Force, and Army aircraft during that time. No way in hell do I want to hand over our close air support capability to the other services. The other guys get it done, but they don't understand our way of doing it; and that creates significant problems. No one integrates aviation and ground forces better than we do.

Seems like in your later posts you are advocating making the Marine Corps look more like the Royal Marines. While I would love to see our infantrymen held to the same fitness standards as those guys, we have so many more missions and capabilities than the Royals that I don't think it's a good idea at all.


Before I deployed, I learned alot of fire positions and manuevers. I am not even in the grunts and I have had plenty of time to familiarize myself with the 240, 50 cal and the mark 19. You load at and pull the trigger, it's not that complicated buddy. I am sure they don't put some retard on a 50 cal on a humvee.

I don't think you understand what he means by fire and maneuver ranges. These ranges teach you how to maneuver under fire, and to employ close supporting fires to allow your maneuver element to close with the enemy. I can't profess to know how much emphasis this is given at SOI, but it receives a lot of emphasis at IOC, and rightfully so. Fire and maneuver is the bread and butter of infantry tactics.

Loading and operating CSWs may not be complicated, but troubleshooting them can be. Last .50 cal range I did, I had to hunt down an 0331 from an infantry unit on the next range to help figure out why our gun was jamming a cartridge inside the receiver every few rounds. Non-infantrymen know enough to operate those weapon systems well enough to provide some security for convoys and other defensive operations. When you start talking offensive operations to locate, close with, and destroy the enemy; the rates and durations of fire require a little more experience and knowledge on how to keep the guns running under adverse conditions.


Let's break our grunts even more before they graduate SOI? Why in the heck would a grunt really need to know about armor? Put the shit on and wear it right. grunts don't armor their own humvees and we have motor t which knows all about humvees

Once again, I think in your haste to climb all over this Marine's post, you completely misunderstood what he was trying to say. One thing at a time, though.

I don't see a particular operational need to have Marines hike 10 more kilometers in SOI, but I don't think it would hurt either. We need to maintain our roots as a footmobile light infantry force, especially as so many Marines clamor about wanting to go to Afghanistan. I've deployed to Afghanistan in a rifle company, and those mountains will break it off in the ass of a unit that is not physically prepared. 30km is a reasonable distance - it's a little over 18.5 miles. My brigade platoon from ANGLICO did a 30km march in Germany that was individual effort, for time. Every Marine in the platoon made it in under 5 hours. We still had 2 weeks of training after that, and no one was unable to train due to injuries from the march. A 30km individual effort ruck march should be something that any Marine infantryman can complete.

There was an article a few months ago in the Gazette that suggested licensing infantrymen on Humvees in SOI. I think it's a good idea. When a line company that has 2 M1123s on its TE in the rear has the requirement to operate 20-30 Humvees on deployment, it puts a significant strain on the battalion's motor transportation section to license all of those Marines. Similarly, the companies lose those Marines for the duration of the licensing course. If the junior Marines check in to the battalion already licensed on Humvees, it eases another burden on operational units trying to train on a myriad number of Mission Essential Tasks.

As for armor, I'm pretty sure he was talking about tanks, AAVs, and LAVs. Never a bad idea to expose our junior infantrymen to those assets a little more. Marine infantry battalions are one of the few (if not the only) light infantry organizations in the world expected to be able to "mech up" by receiving attached armor assets and operate as mechanized infantry. Battles like Fallujah have demonstrated the utility of armored support in urban fights (or, if Agent_0311 was still in 2/5 for Hue City, he can tell you all about how the Ontos' 90mm recoilless rifles helped them crack NVA urban strongpoints).

Some of his suggestions have some merit. Others are a little more out in left field, but there is a disturbing tendency in this thread to dismiss everything he suggested out of hand, and reply with criticisms that are pretty off-base. NCOs get upset when officers don't take their advice, but how often do you thoughtfully consider the input of your subordinates?

[USMC_8156]

Ok, great. Anyways, making Marines hike 30km in SOI is still stupid, and fire and maneuver is not a difficult skill to master.

[GruntCapt]

Ok, great. Anyways, making Marines hike 30km in SOI is still stupid, and fire and maneuver is not a difficult skill to master.

You gonna back those statements up with anything? Why is 30km in SOI stupid? Like notamotogrunt said, fire and maneuver may not be a difficult skill, but it takes a significant amount of practice to be able to do it right.

[USMC_8156]

You gonna back those statements up with anything? Why is 30km in SOI stupid? Like notamotogrunt said, fire and maneuver may not be a difficult skill, but it takes a significant amount of practice to be able to do it right.

Because it is a waste of time and money. What does hiking 30km prove that hiking 20km does not? Leave that for the fleet. SOI's purpose is to train to a standard, and adding a few KM isn't going to raise it.

See my above post on why we dont' need more fire and maneuver ranges in SOI.

[SSgtAllen3381]

Why do Cooks get thrown in with EVERY example that needs to be made? Anyone? Beuller? Beuller?

[LeaderOfMarines]

[QUOTE=notamotogrunt;128867]Also I think the instructors should be allowed more freedom in teaching them things that they picked up from their prior units, not a book from 1972. Once again, the more different ways they learn to do it the more able they are to adapt when they get to their units.
[QUOTE]
Very good post notamoto, you do have some wisdom I see. Next time, use it in a positive way like this and people might not hate you so much. You do make some valid points, but the way it comes across sometimes puts a bad taste in some guys mouths. I know you may say you don't care, but it's just a suggestion.

[notamotogrunt]

I like the idea you have about the humps, 10 20 30. Im not trying to sound like you need to murder kids legs in SOI. Thats dumb, but it is important to find out weather or not hes gonna be able to hack it in the fleet.
As far as FnM (fire and manuever) no, I dont think you would have to extend SOI, but those first three weeks that are initially spent on stuff that only asvab waivers and complete idiots couldnt understand quickly, could be cut down and replaced with an extra week or two in the field later on in training during the school for fire and manuever drills and simply how to live in the field.
Now to some who may not understand (and Im not trying to roust the pogs here but honestly thats who Im talking to) it may seem like we are overstressing FnM, but honestly in the combat we are fighting today, that is the way we win battles and wars. As far as the marines in the fleet with expeirence teaching FnM and further tactics, I think it is fair to say that the cats teaching SOI have more than enough expierence (with the exception of a few yankee whites who did one pump and are now hiding at SOI for their B billet). While I was there we had at least three instructors who were in the battle for Fallujuia, I think they had more than enough expierence to teach how they wanted.

[USMC_8156]

Makes sense to me. I think the stars and bars don't want to give the instructors that freedom though. You know how they are about standardization. Which is sad, considering we are fighting a fluid war.

So what would you cut out, to make room?

[GruntCapt]

Everything you said is pretty much common knowledge. My point was, we don't need to do it at SOI. Let the Marines with experience in the fleet take care of that. There is a lot that has to be taught in SOI in a short amount of time, and unless we double it, which would cause shortages in the fleet (like we don't have them already) there just isn't time for advanced ranges and a 30k. Like I've said before, I'm not saying it doesn't have to be taught, just that extending SOI isn't the way to do it. If your training ended at SOI, well, I feel sorry for you.

Time is extremely limited in the Fleet too, hence my point about licensing Marines on HMMWVs in SOI. In conjunction with the manpower increase, we should be looking to increase and improve our entry-level training, IMO.

[Born Invincible]

I like the idea you have about the humps, 10 20 30. Im not trying to sound like you need to murder kids legs in SOI. Thats dumb, but it is important to find out weather or not hes gonna be able to hack it in the fleet.
As far as FnM (fire and manuever) no, I dont think you would have to extend SOI, but those first three weeks that are initially spent on stuff that only asvab waivers and complete idiots couldnt understand quickly, could be cut down and replaced with an extra week or two in the field later on in training during the school for fire and manuever drills and simply how to live in the field.
Now to some who may not understand (and Im not trying to roust the pogs here but honestly thats who Im talking to) it may seem like we are overstressing FnM, but honestly in the combat we are fighting today, that is the way we win battles and wars. As far as the marines in the fleet with expeirence teaching FnM and further tactics, I think it is fair to say that the cats teaching SOI have more than enough expierence (with the exception of a few yankee whites who did one pump and are now hiding at SOI for their B billet). While I was there we had at least three instructors who were in the battle for Fallujuia, I think they had more than enough expierence to teach how they wanted.


In regards to the above statement I want to make a point. I want to squash the rumor, misrepresentation, fallacy, and misunderstanding that because something was done in a combat situation or during a combat operation means it was done right and it should be doctorine. I'm a firm believer in the way to win at COIN is by bottom up refinement but we need to have some way to moderate what's being taught at a FORMAL SCHOOL. In the fleet we teach alot of ISMs in the form of SOPs and things but they are understood because fundamentally we all have the same foundation. I am a huge proponent of realistic training but we NEED to establish the baseline, the foundation. I have heard many stories andrecounts from 03 Marines who fought honorably in OIF 1- 9 and have heard many stories of operations that "luckily" ended up positively when the unit leaders shifted from the SOPs and the doctorine. I am NOT saying that new tactics and techniques can't come from the lower levels but a single fire fight, a single operation, a particular version of OIF/OEF should not dictate how we train our BASIC 03s on the fundamentals.

Another case is I am for "humping". I believe that it does much more to strengthen the units ability to continue to push. When was the last time a unit PT'd for 6 hours? The long distance hikes strengthen a Marine or Sailors will to fight more than his legs. It forces the individual to continue to work through the pain and uncomfortability to accomplish the mission. I think hikes should not be done every week like they are in some battalions but definately monthly. In some units lighter loads and faster rates of march has been proven to cut down on non combat related injuries in theater. I personally don't know too many Marines who like to hike but I do know that the hikes (8 miles and more) more readily separate the men from the boys. I have seen the hikes identify descrepanciesand weakness in individuals that show themselves after prolonged patrols and periods of extended field and operational time.

Lastly, I want there to be more of a focus on Fire and Movement in SOI. They do a great job at the extreme basics by just the old fashioned "I'm up they see me, I'm down" but they fail and that same concept when trying to encorporate micro terrain, urban cover, and anything that isn't a part of the range they are training on. Regardless of the type of battlefield or the enemy we fight fire and Maneuver/ Fire and Movement will always be the bread and butter. By extending the time we spend on those SOI can produce a better product to the fleet which unfortunately has a smaller window to train these guys to standard with the new PTP requirements.

[Born Invincible]

Time is extremely limited in the Fleet too, hence my point about licensing Marines on HMMWVs in SOI. In conjunction with the manpower increase, we should be looking to increase and improve our entry-level training, IMO.

I agree with this post. The problem is the amount of vehicles, and qualified liscensing NCOs at SOI. The Marines should be required to do the MarineNet HMMWV / Driver for Life classes in SOI. Instead of giving them freedom on the weekends at SOI give them initiative based homework assignments that will help them in the fleet. Between "required" MCIs, and MarineNet PTP classes there should be enough things the junior Marine can do that will set him up for success in the fleet. That way instead of having boots out of the fight for 4 weeks they will be out of the fight for only 2 at the most while trying to get their drive time.

[ERAMIREZJR]

I agree with alot you are saying just to update you on whats happening in the depot, I am a Drill Instructor here. I can't speak for every company but we have taken the extra step in our company during BWT to soley train on basic infantry skills. So far you are right alot of the Marines who just graduated and went to MCT/SOI surprised them. Just updating you.

[ninebreaker]

1.First would Be boot camp and who its not doing its job! Its simple really, if everyone can graduate then it doesnt matter how go the traning is!! I would allow drop on request or(DOR) once a week every sunday. This is to prevent having Marines in the Corps who dont want to be there. We have the best officers in the World because they all want to be there... we cant say the same about the enlisted. That is why we have (UAs) in the first two weeks in MCT and SOI.

2.Next i would put MCT as the 4th month of boot camp.this is because MCT is just going threw the motions not really changing or forcing marines to retain the knowage. If however they learn it under drill instructors they will know! No questions asked.I also believe that this would help Marines going to SOI because they would get twice the training. Even more so we could change SOI to go more indepth with traning because MCT is already knocking out the basic SOI can include PIstol marksmanship along with more fire and manever ranges..

3. Change the (PFT). New standards, first class will be 270 to 300 second class would be 239 to 269 and third class would be 200 to 238. Any below 200 is a fail and if a Marine fail three times there career then they are done. I also chose to change this because it is to easy to get a 1st class PFT! Someone like me with a 287 is the same on paper as a 255 for example. Also take 2 mins of both the run times!!! PLEASE.

4. Change the marators promotion it shuold only include Swim Qual, PFT, Pros and Cons, and rifle score!

5. Bring back lane training or make MCMAP more intense!!! I dont belive it is good hand to hand combat traing, and we are becoming weaker because of it! we should for now add 10 more hours on to each belt.

6. MSG should only be Males, nothing against female marines because my mother was one but we need MSG to be top of the line, big Marines with green belts and first class PFTs.

7. Better benfits for Drill instuctors! They are the heart and soul of every Marine! I mean who cant remember there SDI? I belive if any drill instructor moves to SDI and finish four years of that then he or she should be granitied 20 years! Once a Marine always a Marine and i belive that Once a DI always a DI, because they will take those high standars back to there units!

8. Extend SOI by two weeks and add introduction to humvees and other armor! Also a a graduation requirment have them complete a 30k hump!

9. warren officer school should become more pyhsially demanding! All should have a 270 PFT to graduate along with a Gray belt and a sharp shooter for the rifle!!

10. Last but not least Navy uniforms!!! Yes Navy. I dont think navy corpsman need to wear the deserts unless deployed with Marines! If they are just back in the states at the hosipal then they need to wear the Navy cammies!!

Thank you for your time and respectfully and gratefully

Lcpl Holm
PRP Comany
Ancostia D.C.

okay well
1 YGBSM -(You gotta be S*&^!@#$ Me) nuff said
2 the question of MCT as a four month is like saying , leave hell, who needs it
3 so taking out the whole point that Marine Corps acknowledges that there different peopl in world of different sizes and so on, and ingoring that physical attributes of men and women
I think we are left with ARE YOU OF YOUR FREAKING MIND !!!!
4 ??? ok yeah sure
5 despite the fact I absolutely cant stand MCMAP , from what I hear from the salty dogs about line training
on a cold day in hell, MCMAP does not even come close
6 I writing a prescription, two healthy doses of reality and dont call me in morning,
7 what else do they need, they get to shape the Marine Corps , no mention torture and terrorize at will
8 yeah and take out the whole point of learning while you are in the fleet
9 URYGBSM-You really
10 I guess you don have a clue on how much crap a corpsman has to go through to get FMF qualed thus
the right to wear deserts, put to you this way, it ain't no walk in the park

So after reading all these suggestions
out of 10
NOT A FREAKING ONE MADE SENSE
SO I GOING TO WRITE ANOTHER PRESCRIPTION , TAKE , TWO DOSES OF REALITY WITH A GLASS OF COMMON SENSE, AND ONE DOSE OF THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK,

[pistolparker]

To the LCpl that started this whole post...before you go making specifications for meritorious promotions....maybe you should add that one needs to know how to spell MERITORIOUS....sound it out...it's ok...I know you can do it....maybe you should revert back to your spelling MCI....but, you probably just copied the answers from another un-educated Marine, like most do. Don't expect on getting promoted for a while...pride and arrogance don't go very far. Oh, and being a Marine that has been Meritoriously promoted twice...the board looks at the whole Marine especially at a little thing called LEADERSHIP, which can't really be scored in a PFT or on the Rifle Range, but I'm sure you'll figure this out someday, when you've been a Lance for a few years.

[cm22486]

wow. way to really enforce to the rest of the corps why the grade of E-3 is generally treated equally to E-2 and E-1. So were you contract pfc....havent even been in for a year....picked up lance....and now you are in DC trying to be a poster boy for the marine corps? grow up. think before you speak, you just sounded more like a boot than a poolee. I am a Lance Corporal myself, and I know that my job is to say aye "insert higher rank" and do what im told. I am not there to question orders, only to carry them out. When I get a bloodstripe then I can start callin some shots. Voicing extravagant and moronic opinions like this is what makes 90% of NCOs, SNCOs, and officers think that the rank of lance is just as incompetent as the two ranks before it.

[cm22486]

only thing that i will say in defense of corpsmen wearing the uniform that he touched on.....first and foremost they earn the right to wear it and they carry a rifle and pull the trigger just like the rest of the corps.

HOWEVER, I think that they should have to adhere to the same grooming and weight standards as marines if they are gonna wear the uniform. ive seen a few fat, long hair hippie corpsmen that im sure agitates a few more marines than myself.

[notamotogrunt]

I dont know about you all but where Im at Lcpls make it happen. THey hold team leader vic commander and section leader billets. Where as some non commisioned gods who come from security forces and such (the ones who think that rank below a sgt matters,),boot NCOs, or just plain dumbass NCOs have to fall in under them and answer to them. Rank dont really matter, its the man behind it.

[DevilNuts]

If that's the case those Lances need to get promoted, and those NCOs who can't lead their Marines need to learn how or GTFO.

[notamotogrunt]

Lets call a spade a spade here. Cutting scores are bullshit. I know 3 pump vets who got out as lances cause there cutting score was bullshit, but you expect them to call a pog/boot/female cpl/sgt by rank and do what they say. You mustve lost youre mind. The promotion system needs to change.
Point being, just cause a lance is a lance doesnt mean he dont know what hes talking about, and just cause an NCO is an NCO dont mean marines should listen.

[kenny10]

Lets call a spade a spade here. Cutting scores are bullshit. I know 3 pump vets who got out as lances cause there cutting score was bullshit, but you expect them to call a pog/boot/female cpl/sgt by rank and do what they say. You mustve lost youre mind. The promotion system needs to change.
Point being, just cause a lance is a lance doesnt mean he dont know what hes talking about, and just cause an NCO is an NCO dont mean marines should listen.

Well that does suck and I do agree that cutting scores are bullshit
I'm a pog with 4 damn combat deployments. I've seen the shit moto, you are not the only one.
I also know a female Sgt that has done four deployments and she has got a purple heart. She was out with a HET and they got rocked.

I know plenty of dumb NCO's and I also know plenty of dumb lance corporals

[DevilNuts]

Just because you are disgruntled and hate life doesn't mean the system is broken.

Too many NCOs in a particular MOS = the scores go up. Not enough, they go down. It's pretty simple the way it works. If you can't handle it, then too bad so sad. Do some MCIs.

[USMC_8156]

Just because you are disgruntled and hate life doesn't mean the system is broken.

Too many NCOs in a particular MOS = the scores go up. Not enough, they go down. It's pretty simple the way it works. If you can't handle it, then too bad so sad. Do some MCIs.

Or sack up and do a b-billet.