Usage of Marijuana while in the army

[NeWSoldiEr08]

what are your thoughts about this while belonging to a unit but only smokin it on off duty weekends?? or just in general i asked this question to other military personnel and i was shocked by some of the comments so im curious on what you Soldiers Sailors Marines & Airmen have to say about it

[CrustySMSgt]

unsat... you are never off duty an always subject to recall. Incompatable with military service.

[NeWSoldiEr08]

completely understandable. i think its the total wrong thing to do..while i wouldnt be quick to judge on it as i would say a crack head in the military though ..also i guess my idea of off duty is when i dont gotta do shit longer than 3 hours lol:)

[MexDoc]

Dude if everyone was high during the bombing of pearl harbor, I think we would be speaking german right now. Little things go a long way, such as I never knew how important was the core values until I worked on a embeded training team and saw how the other countries were going around town harrasing people for weed, hashish or stealing from each other. What if that person also gets bored on gaurd duty in iraq or afghanistan and thinks it's ok to smoke just one? Don't want that pot head watching my gates. it is just a bad idea.

[mel44]

Dude if everyone was high during the bombing of pearl harbor, I think we would be speaking german right now. Little things go a long way, such as I never knew how important was the core values until I worked on a embeded training team and saw how the other countries were going around town harrasing people for weed, hashish or stealing from each other. What if that person also gets bored on gaurd duty in iraq or afghanistan and thinks it's ok to smoke just one? Don't want that pot head watching my gates. it is just a bad idea.

Straight up!!! We don't need soldiers that don't have enough discipline to refrain from chemicals that could put their budies in danger. What if there was an emergency while you were off duty? Would you want a pot head protecting your mom in a emergency, life or death situation?

[proud2bblue]

Dude if everyone was high during the bombing of pearl harbor, I think we would be speaking german right now. Little things go a long way, such as I never knew how important was the core values until I worked on a embeded training team and saw how the other countries were going around town harrasing people for weed, hashish or stealing from each other. What if that person also gets bored on gaurd duty in iraq or afghanistan and thinks it's ok to smoke just one? Don't want that pot head watching my gates. it is just a bad idea.

Ahhhhh, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor:D :D

[MexDoc]

Ahhhhh, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor:D :D
haha i know but the Japanese would've ended up speaking German too.

[NeWSoldiEr08]

Dude if everyone was high during the bombing of pearl harbor, I think we would be speaking german right now. Little things go a long way, such as I never knew how important was the core values until I worked on a embeded training team and saw how the other countries were going around town harrasing people for weed, hashish or stealing from each other. What if that person also gets bored on gaurd duty in iraq or afghanistan and thinks it's ok to smoke just one? Don't want that pot head watching my gates. it is just a bad idea.

you killed the thread with this reply kudo's to you i completely understand what your saying.

[GIBBSSTEVE]

Dude if everyone was high during the bombing of pearl harbor, I think we would be speaking german right now. Little things go a long way, such as I never knew how important was the core values until I worked on a embeded training team and saw how the other countries were going around town harrasing people for weed, hashish or stealing from each other. What if that person also gets bored on gaurd duty in iraq or afghanistan and thinks it's ok to smoke just one? Don't want that pot head watching my gates. it is just a bad idea.

.. dont you mean we would be speaking Japanese?... I am pretty sure they are the ones that bombed us and tried to invade....

[KRC]

Ahhhhh, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor:D :D

Forget it, he's rolling...

[MACHINE666]

So ich habe ein frage - was ist falsch mit Deutsch sprechen? Die zwanziger jahren war der beste jahrhundert fuer Wissenschaft, Technologie, Film, und Kultur von Deutschland. Der Wiemar Republik war das Zentrum fuer Alles. Es tut mir weh Sie haben ein Idiot fuer zwolf jahren aus ein Kanzler. Gott sei Danke er ist tot und jetzt wir haben ein gutes Regierung.

I will play Devil's advocate here for a minute and say that by the same argument used for Pearl Harbor, that everyone could've been drunk since alcohol is a legal drug and there is nothing preventing them from having a drink whenever they felt like it. I've known more people to include my Superintendent at Andrews who would come to work drunk or nursing a hang-over, than I have anyone stoned and a case of the munchies.

I think a better question to ask is why are certain substances socially acceptable to abuse, while others are not. Alcohol, caffiene and food. Last time I checked there are more active duty who partake in all three.

[srastewie]

So ich habe ein frage - was ist falsch mit Deutsch sprechen? Die zwanziger jahren war der beste jahrhundert fuer Wissenschaft, Technologie, Film, und Kultur von Deutschland. Der Wiemar Republik war das Zentrum fuer Alles. Es tut mir weh Sie haben ein Idiot fuer zwolf jahren aus ein Kanzler. Gott sei Danke er ist tot und jetzt wir haben ein gutes Regierung.

I will play Devil's advocate here for a minute and say that by the same argument used for Pearl Harbor, that everyone could've been drunk since alcohol is a legal drug and there is nothing preventing them from having a drink whenever they felt like it. I've known more people to include my Superintendent at Andrews who would come to work drunk or nursing a hang-over, than I have anyone stoned and a case of the munchies.

I think a better question to ask is why are certain substances socially acceptable to abuse, while others are not. Alcohol, caffiene and food. Last time I checked there are more active duty who partake in all three.

While not an advocate of pot smoking, I think there's a point to be made here. If the concern is that you can be called up on a moments notice, what if you are drunk off your ass at the time you were called up?

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

The question is moot because pot is illegal. However, if it was legalized, I would say let the use be the same as with alcohol. Just as you can't drink eight hours before flying or going on duty, you shouldn't be allowed to do pot in the same time frame as mentioned previously. I've never done pot, but we all know that pot itself is not nearly as harmful as alcohol. If it was legalized, then what would be the harm if a person was on leave or not on call? Restrict it as you would restrict alcohol.

[MexDoc]

So ich habe ein frage - was ist falsch mit Deutsch sprechen? Die zwanziger jahren war der beste jahrhundert fuer Wissenschaft, Technologie, Film, und Kultur von Deutschland. Der Wiemar Republik war das Zentrum fuer Alles. Es tut mir weh Sie haben ein Idiot fuer zwolf jahren aus ein Kanzler. Gott sei Danke er ist tot und jetzt wir haben ein gutes Regierung.

I will play Devil's advocate here for a minute and say that by the same argument used for Pearl Harbor, that everyone could've been drunk since alcohol is a legal drug and there is nothing preventing them from having a drink whenever they felt like it. I've known more people to include my Superintendent at Andrews who would come to work drunk or nursing a hang-over, than I have anyone stoned and a case of the munchies.

I think a better question to ask is why are certain substances socially acceptable to abuse, while others are not. Alcohol, caffiene and food. Last time I checked there are more active duty who partake in all three.

if you get pulled over you can blow into a tube to prove if you drank etoh or not, you can't do that with pot so it is harder to prove dui...btw yes the japanese did bomb the island but if do you really think germany is going to sit there and let japan have their own area? hell no! they would've turned them into nazi's or taken them out. they were all about a superior race. all for germany.

[MACHINE666]

The ignorance here....is stifling....can't.....breathe!

MexDoc, the Germans were more concerned about striking back at those countries who had signed the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, as means of punishment for making them pay reparations for World War I. Hitler gained power because he used that as his campaign platform when he was forming the National Socialist movement, while also playing on the fears of the public by using the Bolshevik Revolution as the cause of Communism in Russia and the growing Communist Party in Germany at the time. It wasn't until much later that he did a bait and switch and started with his crazy ideologies and what not - a real stain on Germany's overall history unfortunately. He was more concerned about capturing Moscow than he was conquering Tokyo. You should take a German history course and not rely so much on what you see in the movies or on television, if you're going to use the World War II argument.

But let's not steer off course here. A patrolman can assess whether or not someone is driving under the influence easily enough if it's not alcohol but indeed some other substance abuse. Ironically enough, you hear more about DUIs in the news than you do about someone driving high as a kite. Is that simply media manipulation or just an unbiased reporting of the facts?

[LEBS27]

what are your thoughts about this while belonging to a unit but only smokin it on off duty weekends?? or just in general i asked this question to other military personnel and i was shocked by some of the comments so im curious on what you Soldiers Sailors Marines & Airmen have to say about it

As a SSG, if you were in my unit I would do my part to make sure you left the Army if you pissed hot for pot. For me it shows a lack of judgement, stupidity, and a disregard for your mind as well as the law.

[MexDoc]

The ignorance here....is stifling....can't.....breathe!

MexDoc, the Germans were more concerned about striking back at those countries who had signed the Treaty of Versailles in 1919, as means of punishment for making them pay reparations for World War I. Hitler gained power because he used that as his campaign platform when he was forming the National Socialist movement, while also playing on the fears of the public by using the Bolshevik Revolution as the cause of Communism in Russia and the growing Communist Party in Germany at the time. It wasn't until much later that he did a bait and switch and started with his crazy ideologies and what not - a real stain on Germany's overall history unfortunately. He was more concerned about capturing Moscow than he was conquering Tokyo. You should take a German history course and not rely so much on what you see in the movies or on television, if you're going to use the World War II argument.

But let's not steer off course here. A patrolman can assess whether or not someone is driving under the influence easily enough if it's not alcohol but indeed some other substance abuse. Ironically enough, you hear more about DUIs in the news than you do about someone driving high as a kite. Is that simply media manipulation or just an unbiased reporting of the facts?

yes and the president of iran said the holocaust never happened. No the patrol man cannot....such as a Dr. Cannot tell you that you have HIV until the lab tests verify or even you can have a broken bone coming out through the skin but a Dr. cannot legally say you have a fracture until he has the rule out fx x-ray as documented evidence....FACT my boy was a DD for us...20 years old and couldnt drink if he wanted to. Civ Gate Gaurd gave him a sobriety test and he failed..why cuz he was drinking? No! it was 3am and he was sleepy....she claimed she thought he drank but not enough to bust him..he is 20...any ETOH would bust him but he did not drink...point being anything that is anything has to have documentation to back it up..so in other words...YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!NOW GO PUT YOUR BONG AWAY ITS ROTTING YOUR BRAIN!!!

[LEBS27]

The ignorance here....is stifling....can't.....breathe!

....Ironically enough, you hear more about DUIs in the news than you do about someone driving high as a kite. Is that simply media manipulation or just an unbiased reporting of the facts?

Just like you said, the ignorance is stifling. You're trying to make us believe that a DUI relates only to alcohol. It doesn't. A DUI applies to anything that impairs your ability to drive - legal & illegal substances. You can get a DUI for driving while taking a prescription drugs like strong muscle relaxers (which can impair your ability to react). And yes, being a pot head does affect your ability to use good judgement.

[MexDoc]

Just like you said, the ignorance is stifling. You're trying to make us believe that a DUI relates only to alcohol. It doesn't. A DUI applies to anything that impairs your ability to drive - legal & illegal substances. You can get a DUI for driving while taking a prescription drugs like strong muscle relaxers (which can impair your ability to react). And yes, being a pot head does affect your ability to use good judgement.

yes you are ignorant i know..you should try doing something about it. As I only said Alchohol easier to test on the spot. Most over the counter/shedule drugs will flush out of your system within 72 hours also easier to test on time frame...THC will stay in your system between 2 weeks to a month. I can tell you all were pot heads by the way you advocate it...if I could smoke a blunt when I'm stressed out I would too! hasn't been proven to cause cancer, has been proven to help fight cancerous cells. I'm just saying if a cop pulls you over and unless you have an ounce in your pocket when they search you, they cannot prove anything, just as if you were speeding..go to court you would probably get the speeding ticket dismissed...2 reasons 1. because unless he has the documentation or witnesses willing to testify it is just his word which isn't enough...2. they do road studies to see the average speed of a driver down that road and if you were around that speed they cannot ticket you....So again...your and your other FACE!!!!!!!!!

[LEBS27]

yes you are ignorant i know..you should try doing something about it. As I only said Alchohol easier to test on the spot. Most over the counter/shedule drugs will flush out of your system within 72 hours also easier to test on time frame...THC will stay in your system between 2 weeks to a month. I can tell you all were pot heads by the way you advocate it...if I could smoke a blunt when I'm stressed out I would too! hasn't been proven to cause cancer, has been proven to help fight cancerous cells. I'm just saying if a cop pulls you over and unless you have an ounce in your pocket when they search you, they cannot prove anything, just as if you were speeding..go to court you would probably get the speeding ticket dismissed...2 reasons 1. because unless he has the documentation or witnesses willing to testify it is just his word which isn't enough...2. they do road studies to see the average speed of a driver down that road and if you were around that speed they cannot ticket you....So again...your and your other FACE!!!!!!!!!

MexDoc, my reply was to Machine666 and his statement regarding DUIs. I am arguing against pot use - it affects your driving (and can be charged with a DUI for pot use) and has no place in the military.

[mel44]

yes and the president of iran said the holocaust never happened. No the patrol man cannot....such as a Dr. Cannot tell you that you have HIV until the lab tests verify or even you can have a broken bone coming out through the skin but a Dr. cannot legally say you have a fracture until he has the rule out fx x-ray as documented evidence....FACT my boy was a DD for us...20 years old and couldnt drink if he wanted to. Civ Gate Gaurd gave him a sobriety test and he failed..why cuz he was drinking? No! it was 3am and he was sleepy....she claimed she thought he drank but not enough to bust him..he is 20...any ETOH would bust him but he did not drink...point being anything that is anything has to have documentation to back it up..so in other words...YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!NOW GO PUT YOUR BONG AWAY ITS ROTTING YOUR BRAIN!!!

I am not aware of the Military standard but a police officer can give a field sobriety test and if you fail you going "down town" to get a drug test. Most states use the DUI it can cover all mood altering substance to include cold medicine etc. If you fail a field sobriety test you can be charged.

[mel44]

Just like you said, the ignorance is stifling. You're trying to make us believe that a DUI relates only to alcohol. It doesn't. A DUI applies to anything that impairs your ability to drive - legal & illegal substances. You can get a DUI for driving while taking a prescription drugs like strong muscle relaxers (which can impair your ability to react). And yes, being a pot head does affect your ability to use good judgement.

LEB each state sets their own rules and acronyms. Some states use DWI or driving while intoxicated/impaired others use DUI, driving under the influence. Its the state by state decision. Some states you will go to jail for any pot or paraphernalia while others will just give you a ticket. Some have laws about over the counter cold medicine and some don't. Remember our federal law only regulate state standards but it does not make state laws. For instance marijuana is illegal but to what degree is up to the state and who they punish it. It all comes down to the field sobriety test and then the drug test at jail. Some states like Nevada will hold you down and draw blood for a blood test others its an automatic guilty if you refuse. Once again state law prevails.

[MACHINE666]

yes and the president of iran said the holocaust never happened. No the patrol man cannot....such as a Dr. Cannot tell you that you have HIV until the lab tests verify or even you can have a broken bone coming out through the skin but a Dr. cannot legally say you have a fracture until he has the rule out fx x-ray as documented evidence....FACT my boy was a DD for us...20 years old and couldnt drink if he wanted to. Civ Gate Gaurd gave him a sobriety test and he failed..why cuz he was drinking? No! it was 3am and he was sleepy....she claimed she thought he drank but not enough to bust him..he is 20...any ETOH would bust him but he did not drink...point being anything that is anything has to have documentation to back it up..so in other words...YOUR FACE!!!!!!!!!!!NOW GO PUT YOUR BONG AWAY ITS ROTTING YOUR BRAIN!!!

So you're going to tell me that a patrolman can't observe an individual's red eyes, delayed thought reaction, and the odor on the individual's clothing/breath if the alleged suspect has been using some kind of drug paraphenalia? You read into my post about whether or not someone could adequately assess a situation. Read, think, read again before posting.

And what is your whole point with Iran and the Holocaust being prevailent to my previous post or this post? Your thinking is fragmented at best.

[MACHINE666]

Just like you said, the ignorance is stifling. You're trying to make us believe that a DUI relates only to alcohol. It doesn't. A DUI applies to anything that impairs your ability to drive - legal & illegal substances. You can get a DUI for driving while taking a prescription drugs like strong muscle relaxers (which can impair your ability to react). And yes, being a pot head does affect your ability to use good judgement.

Then why is that the common message you hear from leadership and other authorities is not to drink and drive? The majority if not all of the time, that is the message they associate with people getting a DUI. Read the base paper when they publish the police blotter, or see the circumstances around who is getting an Article 15 for driving under the influence. 99.9% of the time it has to do with operating a vehicle or getting into a situation after alcohol has been consumed. Then again, I'm Air Force and the majority of AF people know not to mess with drugs in the first place. Perhaps it's a culture thing. I mean after all, the DoD has made it no secret that they've purposely lowered the qualifications for people to join the Army....

[mel44]

Then why is that the common message you hear from leadership and other authorities is not to drink and drive? The majority if not all of the time, that is the message they associate with people getting a DUI. Read the base paper when they publish the police blotter, or see the circumstances around who is getting an Article 15 for driving under the influence. 99.9% of the time it has to do with operating a vehicle or getting into a situation after alcohol has been consumed. Then again, I'm Air Force and the majority of AF people know not to mess with drugs in the first place. Perhaps it's a culture thing. I mean after all, the DoD has made it no secret that they've purposely lowered the qualifications for people to join the Army....

Machine I think your right. Most of the guys don't use illegal drugs but another possibility is many times drug use is accompanied with alcohol use so if there is one there is another and they get popped with the lesser charge of alcohol consumption. I don't know this for a fact just my opinion

[MexDoc]

MexDoc, my reply was to Machine666 and his statement regarding DUIs. I am arguing against pot use - it affects your driving (and can be charged with a DUI for pot use) and has no place in the military.

Oh I apologize...MYFACE!!! then :)

[LEBS27]

Then why is that the common message you hear from leadership and other authorities is not to drink and drive? The majority if not all of the time, that is the message they associate with people getting a DUI. Read the base paper when they publish the police blotter, or see the circumstances around who is getting an Article 15 for driving under the influence. 99.9% of the time it has to do with operating a vehicle or getting into a situation after alcohol has been consumed. Then again, I'm Air Force and the majority of AF people know not to mess with drugs in the first place. Perhaps it's a culture thing. I mean after all, the DoD has made it no secret that they've purposely lowered the qualifications for people to join the Army....

We hear that message (drinking & driving) because it is a common offense unfortunately. Alcohol is a legal substance so we have to talk to soldiers about being responsible when they drink. Pot is illegal in the first place so we shouldn't have to brief troops on a regular basis "Hey guys, don't get stoned and drive this weekend".