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03-03-2009, 12:26 AM
Reservists could begin competing with active-duty sailors for active-duty billets within the next two years if personnel officials succeed in creating what they hope will be a close new alignment between the active and reserve sides of the Navy.

If changes go as planned, a reservist could log into the current detailing system and apply — just as active sailors do — for an open position. If picked by the detailer and the command, he would move back to the active side, possibly sign a multiple-year agreement to take the orders, and report for duty.

It would all take place in a Navy without the traditional barriers to moving freely between the active and reserve sides of the service, leading to a major change in how sailors spend their Navy careers.

Chief of Naval Personnel Vice Adm. Mark Ferguson hopes the first step could take place later this year, when officials want to be able to move a sailor from active to reserve status — and back again — in as little as 72 hours per transfer.

The vision is to make the move routine and not need a wartime mobilization authority or require a sailor to visit an active or reserve recruiter, which is how it’s done today.

Instead, a sailor would change his status with a mouse click, and his pay, personnel and medical records would automatically follow. This, officials say, could lead to active sailors heading to the reserve with the promise they can return, and allow reserve sailors to compete for active-duty billets.

“I need to be able to bring reserves on quickly and, in the flexible environment of the future, to be able to allow actives to move into the reserve for periods of time and come back,” Ferguson said.

Personnel officials are calling the idea “sailor for life,” a phrase inherited from former Chief of Navy Reserve Vice Adm. John Cotton. The Navy would track sailors from day they enlist through retirement, all the while providing options for them to serve on active duty or in different states of readiness in the reserve.

A flexible force
The more easily people can switch from the active to the reserve component and back, the longer they’ll want to stay in the Navy, said Chief of Navy Reserve Vice Adm. Dirk Debbink.

“Life has a way of coming at you in unexpected ways,” he said. “You’re locked in; you’re a sailor for life … when all of a sudden your mother takes ill. There’s a car accident that affects you in some way. You have a fantastic opportunity that affects you, somebody comes and says, ‘Would you like to go to MIT and get your master’s degree?’ … and as sad as it is, you say, ‘I need to leave this Navy I love so dearly.’ With the Navy Reserve, you don’t need to say that.”

It won’t just give individual sailors more flexibility with their choices. If the Navy can get its simpler transitions to work, active-duty commanders will gain a new “surge capability,” Ferguson said, enabling them to call more quickly upon experience and talent in the reserve force.

One example could be what Ferguson called a Navy “cyber force” of reserve computer specialists who could be activated quickly to help with tomorrow’s Internet conflicts.

The faster active-to-reserve switch also bypasses Navy Recruiting Command, which can take weeks to issue orders to a naval operational support center, Debbink said. The new process will give people more time to get acquainted with their new assignments and new shipmates.

Other goals include having active and reserve sailors draw a single Navy paycheck, rather than a check from a separate reserve bureaucracy, and enabling sailors to keep their Navy enlisted classifications, rather than having to reapply for them as reservists because those details did not transfer between databases.

Debbink and Ferguson acknowledged that several barriers remain before Big Navy will be able to treat active and reserve sailors interchangeably.

For example, the Navy and Navy Reserve calculate retirement points differently, Ferguson said, so the Navy needs to determine how it will equitably count time spent on duty by active and reserve sailors.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/03/navy_reserves_030209w/

kojack
03-03-2009, 09:01 AM
This sounds like a good thing. If only the idiots at USAR St. Louis could get it....

Yggdrasil
03-03-2009, 10:39 AM
...and in order to do this, the active duty force would have to be downsized even more, since this could leave active duty Sailors without any billets to apply for...

PAMICH
03-04-2009, 01:19 PM
It's the wave of the future. This process has been coming down the pike for some time now. To have periodic and predictable manpower that is highly skilled and motivated without being on the payroll full time is a corporate dream come true. Will this possibly lead to less billets on the active duty side? The answer is "probably will". The Reserve is no longer just another proponent for a surge during war, instead it will be a viable peacetime contributor as well.

Sabrina76
03-06-2009, 02:06 AM
In a way I can see how this could be a good thing, but as an active duty sailor this does bother me a bit. There are times it is hard enough to find a billet to apply for. There have been times that due to NEC's my choice to billets to take were very few, and not seen as a good move for my career. There are times for some rates, that are primarily sea going, that it is close to impossible to find shore duty orders. I think there needs to be some orders that can be taken by both active and reserve, but there also needs to me orders specifically set aside for active, just as there are orders that are for reserves that active can't take.

Yggdrasil
03-06-2009, 09:55 AM
Another issue to look at - age. Reservists tend to be older. I think that a 50-year-old PO3 might be a discipline problem when he works for a 21-year-old PO2.

tmurphy
03-06-2009, 01:06 PM
Another issue to look at - age. Reservists tend to be older. I think that a 50-year-old PO3 might be a discipline problem when he works for a 21-year-old PO2.
I am active duty and work with reservist here and there doesn’t seem to be any problem with age within the ranks. Believe it or not, it is better because they are mature and wiser than most Sailors at the same rank. You can ask them to do a job and you don’t have to baby sit like you would have to do with a younger Sailor. Plus, they bring the expertise of their civilian job to the table. We’ve got reservists ranging from school principle to police/correctional officers. I guess it just matters how you look at it.

Yggdrasil
03-06-2009, 01:49 PM
I am active duty and work with reservist here and there doesn’t seem to be any problem with age within the ranks. Believe it or not, it is better because they are mature and wiser than most Sailors at the same rank. You can ask them to do a job and you don’t have to baby sit like you would have to do with a younger Sailor. Plus, they bring the expertise of their civilian job to the table. We’ve got reservists ranging from school principle to police/correctional officers. I guess it just matters how you look at it.

This isn't what I see out in the fleet. At least, talking about older active E3 and below who join in their 30's and late 20's, they tend to be among the biggest discipline problems. Yes, there's the "older, wiser" aspect, but at the same time, too many of them think that their age comes with privileges. Many of them have problems working under a someone who is younger than they are, or have problems doing the grunt work along with 18 year old Sailors and under the supervision of a 20 year-old PO3. And here's the classic trick they pull alot: buddy up to a senior Petty Officer of the same age (a PO1, for example), that way if he doesn't like the work that PO2 is telling him to do or doesn't like the disciplinary action that PO2 is taking, he can use PO1 to undermine that PO2.

F/A-18 AOC
03-10-2009, 06:05 PM
In a way I can see how this could be a good thing, but as an active duty sailor this does bother me a bit. There are times it is hard enough to find a billet to apply for. There have been times that due to NEC's my choice to billets to take were very few, and not seen as a good move for my career. There are times for some rates, that are primarily sea going, that it is close to impossible to find shore duty orders. I think there needs to be some orders that can be taken by both active and reserve, but there also needs to me orders specifically set aside for active, just as there are orders that are for reserves that active can't take.

I can't believe this is even being considered. Did anyone think about how manning issues will be resolved:confused: ? At a time when the gov't is drawing down the size of the military (again) and with the current state of our economy, how can anyone consider allowing reservists to just point and click their way back into full time duty? Oh and how about when cruises begin to roll around for a sailor:eek: ? Just point and click your way into the reserve corp and you'll miss your scheduled deployment:D . Yeah, that's good for readiness:mad: . Oh well, just one more way we as a military are expected to remain flexible:rolleyes: .

PAMICH
03-13-2009, 08:59 AM
The key is periodic and predictable. A Reserve placing a request for orders knows the time lenth or PRD of that specific set of orders. If it is a search and seisure aboard a Frigate that is on a drug OPS, then the Reserve knows up front they will be deployed a few months until the orders time frame runs out. Or if it is UNREP in Korea that they are shooting for, then they know a tour in Korea is on the horizon for a specified ammount of time. It may not be for 245 days straight. It may only be for a few months until the job is complete. If they are taking a full time obligation (two or three year) then they are locked in until PRD.

SeaChicken
03-24-2009, 11:23 AM
I heard about three years ago that the APPLY and JOApply systems that Reserve Officers use now were being considered as a model for exactly this kind of personnel initiatives. I thought the guy was blowing smoke, but apparently he was better tapped in than I gave him credit for.

Reservists are being held increasingly to their PRDs which used to be nothing more than a column on a manning document with no teeth. Senior Officers are forced out of their billet at their PRD to make room for their relief. As a JO, I can’t even request to transfer units until I’m within 3 months of my PRD. Orders will be orders, and people will be held to their PRDs. The point and clicking will only streamline the process.

As the reserves have become more and more operational over the last 8+ years, big Navy is realizing that we have a lot of skills from our civilian careers that it can utilize, the question is how to get their hands on us short of declarations of war and national emergency. At the same time that active side is having to offer significant bonuses to get some people to stay, it sounds like a nice happy medium to me. It gives the AC chances to take a break without completely undermining their entire career, it gives the RC more operational opportunities and in the end when we have to fight another “big one” we’ve got a total force that is in tune with each other, trained to the same standards and have all shared in the best of both AC and RC worlds.