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CommunityEditor
03-08-2009, 03:54 PM
The Navy has classified its regular reports about the material condition of its ships, an about-face from when they were available as public documents under the Freedom of Information Act.

The reports, filed by the Board of Inspection and Survey, or InSurv, contain the findings of meticulous, days-long inspections that cover every detail of the workings of surface ships, aircraft carriers and submarines.

Adm. Jonathan Greenert, head of Fleet Forces Command, decided that the reports should be classified because he was concerned about adversaries using them to exploit ships’ weaknesses, said his spokesman, Lt. Cmdr. Phil Rosi.

“Because the reports point out material deficiencies that could reveal potentially degraded mission areas on the ships, the Navy determined that this information, if it was divulged, could prove beneficial to a potential enemy by highlighting possible crew or ship difficulties,” Rosi said.

Under the White House’s Executive Order 13292 of 2003, information may be classified only if several conditions are met, including if “the unauthorized disclosure of the information reasonably could be expected to result in damage to the national security.”

But one naval analyst said the reports, full of mundane details about broken fuel pumps or leaky scuttlebutts, couldn’t tell enemies anything about U.S. warships they don’t already know.

“It would be simpler to build no ships at all and conceal that fact under the cloak of specious classification,” said A.D. Baker III, a retired Office of Naval Intelligence analyst and editor of “Combat Fleets of the World.”

“Do we actually have a Navy? Sorry, can’t tell you that, Kyrgyzstan might find out and build a river to the sea.”

Likewise, two members of Congress said the rule change concerned them and could hurt their ability to provide an oversight role over shipbuilding and readiness issues.

The new classification applies to ships that have undergone an InSurv after Dec. 1; reports from before then are still unclassified. Also still unclassified are InSurvs for new-construction ships and submarines on acceptance trials, which haven’t yet been delivered to the Navy. Rosi said he did not know the reasons for the exceptions.

He said no single event spurred the decision to change the rules for classifying InSurvs.

“The Navy review[s] standard procedures, including classification levels of reports, on a pretty routine basis — when needed, we adjust procedures accordingly,” he said.

Rosi said the change was “absolutely not” put in place as a reaction to stories in Navy Times and other publications that have exposed problems on different ships using InSurv reports. And he said that anyone still could request a report under the Freedom of Information Act, but that it would be redacted before it was released. When Navy Times received the InSurv of a ship dated Dec. 12, it was entirely redacted.

In 2008, reports on the destroyer Stout, the cruiser Chosin and the amphibious transport dock New Orleans revealed warships that had severe problems. The Stout and Chosin were deemed “unfit for sustained combat operations,” and the New Orleans couldn’t do its basic job of taking aboard Marines and their gear. Previous InSurvs of New Orleans’ sister ship, the class-leading San Antonio, revealed widespread problems and prompted Navy Secretary Donald Winter to publicly chastise shipbuilder Northrop Grumman.

Oversight implications
Members of Congress worried that the new rule will keep them from getting primary-source information about the material condition of the fleet. Although some staff members are cleared to get InSurv reports, members of Congress would not be able to refer openly to their classified contents in hearings or speeches.

Rep. Eric Massa, a New York Democrat and former surface warfare officer, said he was “extremely concerned” that InSurvs are now classified and that he planned to ask Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Gary Roughead to look into the decision. Massa is a freshman member on the House Armed Services seapower subcommittee.

He remembered being part of many InSurvs over 25 years in the Navy, which included service aboard the battleship New Jersey, and he said one of his priorities in Congress would be to maintain the surface force.

“I’m exceptionally concerned about the material readiness of our fleet,” Massa said. “We’ve been robbing Peter to pay Paul for too long now.”

Rep. Rob Wittman, a Virginia Republican and another member of the subcommittee, said in a written statement that he agreed with concerns about InSurvs falling into the wrong hands, but he also asserted Congress’ need to monitor the Navy.

“In the interest of operational security I understand that certain aspects of InSurv reports could be classified; however, I am deeply concerned that a decision to classify these reports across the board would inhibit the Congress’s ability to provide necessary and constitutionally-mandated oversight,” Wittman said.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2009/03/navy_insurv_030809w/

Boss Hog
03-09-2009, 10:29 PM
Congress is absolutly right to be concerned that this is a US Navy attempt to cover its anus. Information regarding the combat and operational readiness of operational warships is vital to determination of the readiness of US Navy forces to execute their missions. If it's limited to selected congrssional staffers, Congress will be forced to adopt the position of "trust them, they're the Navy."

CommunityEditor
03-13-2009, 03:30 PM
Editorial: Keep InSurvs public (http://www.navytimes.com/community/opinion/navy_editorial_insurvs_031609a/)


On March 3, the Navy fired the commanding officer of the mine countermeasures ship Devastator because of the ship’s poor material condition. Less than a month earlier, inspectors from the Navy’s ever-exacting Board of Inspection and Survey combed through the ship and, in all likelihood, did not like what they saw.

But because of a rule put in place late last year, exactly what was wrong with the Devastator and whether that cost Lt. Cmdr. Matt Tucker his job will remain a mystery. The reports of all InSurvs taking place after Dec. 1 are classified.

Adm. Jonathan Greenert, head of Fleet Forces Command, said through a spokesman that he decided to make the once-public reports secret because he didn’t want potential adversaries to discover weaknesses aboard Navy ships.

This explanation doesn’t match reality. InSurv reports lay out the material condition — but not details or capabilities of — combat and self-defense systems. For the most part, they provide a snapshot of what was broken, leaky or missing during the inspection. The InSurv for the destroyer Stout, for example, pointed out that the galley’s meat slicer and ice cream machine were inoperable, as was one of its three coffee machines.

As for the larger issues InSurvs point out — problems with the main gun and missile cells, in Stout’s case — one would expect that all deficiencies would be fixed or mitigated by the time the ship deploys.

There’s no denying that the past year has been a bruising one for the surface fleet. The high-profile and thoroughly damning InSurvs for the Stout and the cruiser Chosin prompted the head of the Naval Surface Force to tell his sailors to get “back to basics,” especially when it comes to assessing their own ship’s condition.

Open examination of individual InSurv reports is instructional for the broader Navy and helps ensure accountability for the taxpayers funding the fleet.

If an InSurv contains legitimate security concerns, they can be redacted. Or release of the report can be delayed a reasonable amount of time so adversaries can’t gain real-time intel.

President Barack Obama has called for a new era of transparency for government functions, especially when it comes to releasing documents. Navy leaders should heed the advice of the commander in chief.

forcedj
03-13-2009, 04:56 PM
Are all CASREPs and manning/under-manning reports classified? They both could have the same affect as an INSURV report. I agree that INSURVs probably should be classified, but if they’re going to be then there might be some other things that should be too.

YomanDenver
03-16-2009, 09:54 AM
President Barack Obama has called for a new era of transparency for government functions, especially when it comes to releasing documents. Navy leaders should heed the advice of the commander in chief.

Yes, but at the same time, certain things SHOULD NOT be released to the general public. Just because we're the Navy doesn't mean they should automatically trust the decisions made, but they should also not be so eager to release confidential information to anyone who wants to know.

RandomFT2
03-19-2009, 06:12 PM
Ok they're right that some things such as leaking scuttlebutts and missing deck screws don't need to be classified. But manning concerns should, also things that are trivial onboard surface ships such as damaged or broken pumps or motors have a large effect on submarines. Since they're very fragile and staying quiet is a constant part of their primary mission and survival they need to keep any details about themselves away from the general public.

Bruce
03-20-2009, 12:34 PM
I think as a matter of operational security goes, this isn't a bad idea. NFL coaches are always tight-lipped about the injury status of their players, or else they are deceptive as to what they say, so that the other team can't use a player's nagging injury to its advantage. Similarly, you don't want too much information about the Navy's readiness lest a potential enemy decide to take advantage of a certain handicap.

CommunityEditor
05-05-2009, 07:22 PM
Editorial: Keep InSurvs public (http://www.navytimes.com/community/opinion/navy_editorial_insurvs_050409/)


It was shocking to learn early last year that two of the Navy’s front-line and most advanced warships — the cruiser Chosin and destroyer Stout — had both flunked inspections within weeks of each other.

Turns out that was just the beginning: Four more ships were also deemed “unfit” in 2008, including another destroyer, two dock landing ships and an attack submarine.

The sorry condition of the fleet is only coming into view thanks to an internal Navy report that Navy officials didn’t want to see the light of day.

That report, obtained by Navy Times, summarizes all of last year’s material inspections.

Navy officials decided last year, after Navy Times reported on the Chosin and Stout inspections, that henceforth all inspections carried out by the Board of Inspection and Survey would be classified.

The reason, said a spokesman for Fleet Forces Command: The Navy didn’t want its internal findings to be hijacked by adversaries to find weaknesses in the fleet.

Top officials have also promised in public forums that they’re serious about fixing the problems and bringing the fleet “back to basics.”

Fixing problems requires transparency and accountability. And while secrecy may protect American ships from adversaries, it could well prove unable to protect those ships from faulty leadership.

Those sections that point not to failures of a crew or command, but rather to the design of a class of ships, for example, can be redacted from these reports. But to classify the reports in their entirety is wrong.

American warships don’t belong to the Navy; they belong to the people, who have every right to know the material condition of these vital national assets. Hiding the surveys in their entirety behind a veil of secrecy doesn’t protect anyone but the Navy leadership, which is responsible — and must be held accountable — for the condition of the fleet.