S.D.-based Navy ship, sub collide in Strait of Hormuz

[smarg]

So WHO had the deck con on BOTH ships?? Dumbasses!

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/20/ml-us-navy-ships-collide-032009a/?zIndex=70053

[VFFSSGT]

I was wondering how the sub and ship collided.... I am sure someone will be loosing their job...

[TheReprobate]

The Hartford is moored about 30 feet from my current location. She's fugged up for sure. Looking down the pier, I can't see much damage to the NO.

I expect them to place a "Now Hiring" sign on the QD soon.

[sailor logic]

I would like to bring up the topic of "optimal manning" at this time. I think optimal manning and the business philosophy the Navy seems to like to emulate are leading to the situations that are causing these problems, causing more ships to fail INSURV (and the Navy to classify INSURV results) and will continue to slowly erode the operational readiness of the Surface Navy. Its like the Navy decided to buy itself some time and money in the present by selling its future.

On my ship (a DDG) I noticed a drastic drop in standards in the short 3 years I was onboard. Training teams when I first arrived were composed of the cream of the cream of sailors, the sailors were cherry picked by Chiefs and Officers, and as a result drill time was well utilized, new sailors were trained up, older sailors had their skills honed. Then the crew size dropped, by a significant amount. Training teams suffered. Drills suffered. I watched new sailors starting to be taught wrong, and training team members that didn't have a clue as to how things should be done. The focus changed from pass inspections and train people up, to just pass inspections. Do any last minute scramble to somehow pass inspections.

In a few years time, after things get worse, I predict the Navy will take a good honest look at itself and realize that optimal manning was a horrid mistake, and that rate advancement should have been fixed a long time ago so that a new 2nd class or 1st class or Chief in one rating is equivalent in knowledge experience and leadership as their counterpart in another rating. Right now it seems like Navy-wide all the decision makers and leaders are hiding behind numbers on paper, which look good enough, and ignoring the real reality of what is going on. Its the Emperor having no clothes at a whole organizational level.


-Random 2nd Class PO that knows to believe what I see and not what numbers on reports say

[Battleshort]

WTF is a deck con?


So WHO had the deck con on BOTH ships??

You either have the Deck or the Conn.

(For those following Smarge in ROTC, that means Officer of the Deck and the Conning Officer.)

[Kyoowashugi]

The images of the Hartford don't look good. I can't imagine that it'll be seaworthy for a very long time...very unfortunate.

[smarg]

WTF is a deck con?

You either have the Deck or the Conn.

(For those following Smarge in ROTC, that means Officer of the Deck and the Conning Officer.)

OK then, smarty pants, WHO WAS DRIVING?? :D

[Battleshort]

OK then, smarty pants, WHO WAS DRIVING?? :D


Apparently nobody!:rolleyes:

[smarg]

Apparently nobody!:rolleyes:

Either that or coincidentally both OODs were relaxing and smoking a little weed with their sailors and all of a sudden WHAMMO!! :eek:

[Battleshort]

Either that or coincidentally both OODs were relaxing and smoking a little weed with their sailors and all of a sudden WHAMMO!! :eek:

NONONONONO!

No smoking on the Bridge or while on watch.:rolleyes: :tongue:

[Battleshort]

The collision looks like it almost took off the subs sail. That is a serious "list".

http://www.navy.mil/list_single.asp?id=69836

[MPLisa]

what the hell is a ship doing based in South Dakota??? I mean, does it come down the Missourri River or something??? Those South Dakotans don't make good blue-water sailors

[Battleshort]

what the hell is a ship doing based in South Dakota??? I mean, does it come down the Missourri River or something??? Those South Dakotans don't make good blue-water sailors

Well with all of the water during the spring floods......:rolleyes: :D

[blackfox]

S.D. means San Diego. I will almost bet that the New Orleans, whether she knew it or not, was masking the Hartfords entrance into the Gulf.

[none]

So WHO had the deck con on BOTH ships?? Dumbasses!

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/mar/20/ml-us-navy-ships-collide-032009a/?zIndex=70053

N.O. doesnt have sonar. Not N.O. fault at all.

[SailorDave]

OK then, smarty pants, WHO WAS DRIVING?? :D

The Helmsman.

[SailorDave]

By the way, this happened back in March.


The Navy announced April 14, 2009 that the submarine's skipper, Commander Ryan Brookhart, was relieved of duty by Rear Admiral Michael J. Connor because of a loss of confidence in Brookhart's ability to command. The Chief of the Boat was also relieved. Brookhart was replaced by Commander Chris Harkins, deputy commander of Submarine Squadron Eight.

On April 19, the sub began a surface transit back to the US for further repair, arriving two months later. After reaching home port, the US Navy made three contracts with General Dynamics Electric Boat to repair the sub for a total of $102.6 million. The repairs included the installation of a hull patch and a bridge access trunk, along with a portside retractable bow plane and sail. New Orleans was repaired in the Middle-East for $2.3 million and returned to duty.