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CommunityEditor
04-24-2009, 07:44 PM
WASHINGTON — Mary Adams doesn’t want her daughter hearing pitches from military recruiters as she completes her high school education.

“They promise them all kinds of benefits without telling them of the risks,” said Adams, a registered nurse whose daughter is a sophomore at a high school in Rochester, N.Y.

Thomas Gregory disagrees. Three years ago, he feared losing his son to the streets. But thanks to a meeting with a military recruiter, his son gained a career, an education and a brighter future.

“This is not a numbers game, as I’ve heard, and we’re not creating killers. What we are creating is citizens for tomorrow,” Gregory said during a February meeting of the Rochester Board of Education, which is considering whether to limit recruiters’ access to contact information for high school students.

A similar debate is expected in the coming months in Congress.

When approving the No Child Left Behind Act in 2001, lawmakers inserted language requiring high schools that receive federal money to meet certain requirements regarding military recruiting.

Upon the military’s request, high schools must provide students’ names, addresses and telephone numbers. They also must give military recruiters the same access they provide to university and business recruiters during college and career fairs.

Congress will consider reauthorizing the education law later this year. Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif., wants Congress to change how schools handle student contact information so military recruiters do not have automatic access to it. He said parents in his district are frustrated that recruiters are contacting their children at home.

Under Honda’s bill, parents would have to consent to releasing their children’s information to the military. Currently, parents have to ask that the information be withheld, and Honda said many parents are unaware they have that option.

“Parents have an obligation and right to control their children’s private information,” said Honda, who taught high school biology and was a principal before entering politics.

The National Education Association and the National PTA have supported Honda’s legislation in previous years. Honda said he feels the bill has good prospects this year because of Democratic gains in the House and Senate and the change to a Democratic administration.

Rep. Duncan D. Hunter, R-Calif., also senses improved prospects — which is why he’s introduced a competing bill to keep things the way they are.

“If you take federal funds, you owe it to the federal government to let students talk to a recruiter without having to go to a recruiting station,” said Hunter, who served with the Marines in Iraq and Afghanistan before winning office in November 2008.

Hunter said Honda’s bill would severely limit recruiting because many students will not get the permission forms to their parents.

“These are high school kids. They have more important things to do,” he said.

The military generally requires recruits to have a high school diploma or equivalent, and the average age of those who enlist is nearly 21. A student can enlist as early as 17 with parental consent.

Of the Army’s 80,000 enlistments for active duty during the 2008 fiscal year, about 14,000 — or nearly 18 percent — were high school students.

One enlistee, Matthew Tomlin, 17, said Army recruiters called him one night at his home in Arbuckle, Calif., a farming town about 50 miles north of Sacramento.

“They pay for your college, and with the economy the way it is there’s not that many jobs around, so I figured it was good,” Tomlin said.

The high school senior said he has no problem with recruiters having access to students’ contact information.

“It’s really your choice,” he said. “You’re almost 18, anyway.”

Molly Jordan, 17, from Grass Valley, Calif., said her parents initially worried about her interest in joining the Army. But she said high school seniors are mature enough to make this decision on their own.

“I think as long as the student’s fine with it, it’s OK,” said Jordan, who heads to Army training in Mississippi in July.

Officials say not all high school seniors who enlist will follow through. Some change their minds and go to college. Others don’t graduate or fail to meet physical requirements.

Douglas Smith, a public affairs officer with the Army, said granting the military access to student contact information and school campuses makes for a more efficient use of recruiters’ time.

“It’s the last time that the population is in one place,” said Smith, who is based at Fort Knox in Kentucky. “After high school, students graduate, they scatter.”

In a recent report, the Congressional Research Service estimated that about 95 percent of the nation’s school districts are in compliance with the military recruitment provision of No Child Left Behind. It has sparked a lively and ongoing debate in some districts, such as the one in Rochester.

In 2005, the Board of Education approved a policy that said contact information would not be shared unless parents approved. But only a small percentage of parents sent in approval letters, leading a Marine Corps official to complain to the superintendent that practice could cause Rochester to lose federal funding.

Curtis Gilroy, director of accession policy for the Department of Defense, testified earlier this year that he believes all 22,000 high schools are technically in compliance with the law. But some go to great lengths to limit access, he said.

“We think that the current law ... is very, very important to maintain,” Gilroy said.


Article: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2009/04/ap_congress_school_recruiters_042409/

Merlin69
04-24-2009, 09:55 PM
When approving the No Child Left Behind Act in 2001, lawmakers inserted language requiring high schools that receive federal money to meet certain requirements regarding military recruiting.
Upon the military’s request, high schools must provide students’ names, addresses and telephone numbers. They also must give military recruiters the same access they provide to university and business recruiters during college and career fairs.
Congress will consider reauthorizing the education law later this year. Rep. Mike Honda, D-Calif., wants Congress to change how schools handle student contact information so military recruiters do not have automatic access to it. He said parents in his district are frustrated that recruiters are contacting their children at home.
Under Honda’s bill, parents would have to consent to releasing their children’s information to the military. Currently, parents have to ask that the information be withheld, and Honda said many parents are unaware they have that option.
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In 2005, the Board of Education approved a policy that said contact information would not be shared unless parents approved. But only a small percentage of parents sent in approval letters, leading a Marine Corps official to complain to the superintendent that practice could cause Rochester to lose federal funding.
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I’m fine with the recruiters receiving student’s names and addresses, but my support stops at proving phone numbers. I support Rep. Honda opt-in provision in his bill.
That I am aware of, universities and colleges are not receiving the same information. The path a high school graduate decides to take is best worked out with his or her parents and not with a military recruiter. My High School Senior has received countless mailings from various universities and colleges and has already been accepted to her (our) first university choice. Not one of those mailings have come from a military recruiter, maybe it is because our school district does not accept funds from the No Child Left Behind Act, although the school district far exceeds the requirements of NCLB.

Xtreme
04-27-2009, 08:49 PM
There's nothing wrong, absolutely nothing wrong with having recruiters in high schools.

People are really lame sometimes.

ringjamesa
04-29-2009, 11:45 AM
I’m fine with the recruiters receiving student’s names and addresses, but my support stops at proving phone numbers. I support Rep. Honda opt-in provision in his bill.
That I am aware of, universities and colleges are not receiving the same information. The path a high school graduate decides to take is best worked out with his or her parents and not with a military recruiter. My High School Senior has received countless mailings from various universities and colleges and has already been accepted to her (our) first university choice. Not one of those mailings have come from a military recruiter, maybe it is because our school district does not accept funds from the No Child Left Behind Act, although the school district far exceeds the requirements of NCLB.

If they accept any federal $, they should have to produce the names. Maybe the recruiters just aren't that interested in your kid. Ever think of that?

WILDJOKER5
04-29-2009, 11:56 AM
Forget federal funding, the recruiters are showing some kids a place to go after high school. The recruiters are taking what now, 1 person a month quotas? Coreect me if I am wrong, most students out of high school are adults with a mind of their own and the free will to choose for themselves. I came in before 9/11 and we had like 7-10 students of 300 go in the service right out of high school. If you keep the military out, you need to keep colleges out too.

Variable Wind
04-29-2009, 12:06 PM
Bottom Line, you kid goes to public school. Military Service is a public service as well. If you want your child to be sheltered, then home/private school them.

Xtreme
04-29-2009, 08:37 PM
Bottom Line, you kid goes to public school. Military Service is a public service as well. If you want your child to be sheltered, then home/private school them.
Good point.

Gunner7
05-18-2009, 03:30 PM
There was a time when educators would ask veterans and recruiters to come into the schools to talk with the kids about their future. We now have an education system run by individuals who were either unqualified or unwilling to ever serve their country. Because they attended college and are safe in the school system they feel this is the preferred career track for all kids. Holding back the information just means that the recruiters have to get a DMV list, high school year book and some intel from a current/former student to build a list of eligibles for each graduating class. If Johnny the senior gets gassed walking to the soda machine because his three hundred pound frame is a struggle to drag around do you think we need him? Part of contacting the students is to refine a list of leads to see who is eligible to even interview. The sad part is that a lot of the leadership in MEPCOM are afraid to break it off in the school district for non compliance and prefer to let the recruiters take the beating by working them to death. On a positive note I hope we will all see significant pay raises and increased benefits when the recruiting numbers go in the shitter thanks to the long yellow line.

squeezeandcrush777
05-19-2009, 08:26 PM
interesting subject, i remember when i graduated high school, i only remember getting one phone call from the Marines, and just stuff in the mail. Im an army brat and love the military, but i didnt go. Why? i just didnt want to go. The friends that went, i said good blessings and they left. You say recruiters tell them the benifits, but not the risk? Seriously, you think we dont know the risk? DUH!! But why would you dwell on death or dying in combat, or having an accident? Some of the streets in America might as well be called baby Iraq. You can dye here, you can dye anywhere, so the risk factor really has no weight. Any kid right now who honestly think they can go into the military, ANY BRANCH and an accident cant happen or they cannot lose their life cause they are a servicemember, the blame should be on the parents for not giving them common sense. Im now in the process of going into the Air Force, i want an aircrew job, but im not gonna get in a recruiters face and say: Why wasn't I told that a plane could crash while i was in it? We are americans, act like it people. Let children have the choice, the FREEDOM to pick their own path. Not be governed cause the parents think just cause they go to college they are going to be better off financially, or wont get hurt. Garbage. I deal with this all of the time with my friends' parents. "Oh why you goin to the servcie, go to college and be somebody" LOL please forgive if i offend anyone, but I will have more respect for a former or present service member anyday before someone who has not. Good day.