Thoughts on phase in of new PT Eval (whatever it may be)

[CrustySMSgt]

So, as long as we've got 10 threads on the PT subject... here's a new twist... so when they decide what the changes are, how should it be implemented? I see a couple options:

1) Quick & easy: establish a cut-over date and it is what it is. This would mean if you failed on 30 June, and the new standard was in effect on 1 Jul and you would pass using that standard, too bad. No worrying about dates, cycles, equality... just do it.

2) Phased: It is easy to make changed that only affect enlisted or officers; you structure a phased implementation based on PECD or promotion cycle. This would be a nightmare, given this is a force-wide initiative. The number of phase dates would be a nightmare to track.

3) Direct conversion: Last test dats is available; just convert to the new standard and let the new score stand. If it resulted in moving from fail to pass (which from all the plans floating around, it really does seem like this will happen more often than the opposite... which I guess would make it seem like we're just lowering the bar.), then you're good to go... and if you're not, then you are poor a/o the implementation date.

4) Anyone else have any additional options that migth be used?

Just something I was thinking about and figured I'd throw it out for discussion. For me it is a toss-up between 1 & 3.

[WILDJOKER5]

What would be the point in dragging this out? After 5 years, arnt we to the point where everyone should be ready for what ever scale they throw out?

[CMSBROWN]

It doesnt matter to me...GET'ER DONE!

[sigecaps]

It depends on how dramatic the new test is (eg. going from bike test to the current test). But I doubt it's going to be all that different.

[Rastaman]

Quick and easy. We really need to focus on other things--frankly, I'm amazed it's taken this long to realize something needed to be changed and to make whatever change is going to be made.

[CrustySMSgt]

In all the rumors I've heard, and from what I got straight from the CMSAF, there are not going to be any dramatic changes, just a bit of tweaking... so I finally voted for quick & easy. Set the date and press ahead.

[LOAL-D]

In all the rumors I've heard, and from what I got straight from the CMSAF, there are not going to be any dramatic changes, just a bit of tweaking... so I finally voted for quick & easy. Set the date and press ahead.

Crusty, Have you ever seen the USAF, in all it's illustriuos history, do anything "quick and easy?"

[Kegler]

In all the rumors I've heard, and from what I got straight from the CMSAF, there are not going to be any dramatic changes, just a bit of tweaking... so I finally voted for quick & easy. Set the date and press ahead.

Come on Crusty...we need it the typical AF way...slow phased in...that way our records can look like our uniforms...you know...not very "uniform" DOH!:D

[LOAL-D]

HA HA,You knew we couldn't let that one go..............

[Smeghead]

...If it resulted in moving from fail to pass (which from all the plans floating around, it really does seem like this will happen more often than the opposite... which I guess would make it seem like we're just lowering the bar.), then you're good to go... and if you're not, then you are poor a/o the implementation date...

Crusty, what are you looking at that shows that? Is there more than just changing how much weight the run carries? When I recalculate my scores to the run counting for 60% instead of 50% my score actually lowers.

[CrustySMSgt]

Crusty, what are you looking at that shows that? Is there more than just changing how much weight the run carries? When I recalculate my scores to the run counting for 60% instead of 50% my score actually lowers.

I've heard from a couple sources that the max point for waist will start ~35", so that will boost points for some (but being over 40" will still result in a drastically plummeting score).

There are a couple of other line items I've only heard from one source, and was directed not to release them... so I ain't gonna be "that guy" and spill the beans...

Who knows what changes may result... I got briefed in Mar... by the time it worked its way around all the stars, it could have morphed numerous times. No telling what will get released at Corona.

[Smeghead]

Well hopefully there's a little more adjustment for age groups. I'm not usually a PT whiner, I do what I have to do and get it over with. But I'm 38. The score scale doesn't show a huge difference between 18 and 38 -- but my body sure as hell does.

[Angry Irishman]

Give all career fields the same opportunities to do PT. Fix the real problems first....stop new phases of anything as there are bigger problems to be concerned with.

That is all.....

[CrustySMSgt]

Give all career fields the same opportunities to do PT. Fix the real problems first....stop new phases of anything as there are bigger problems to be concerned with.

That is all.....

Let me know how that stance works out for you... :rolleyes:

[Angry Irishman]

Let me know how the current or a revamped PT program makes any viable solutions to the Air Force's real challenges.:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It's working out fine I'm retiring.

[MajesticThunder]

Other. Short sharp shock with every member given an honest new PT test report card identifying PASS / FAIL options of:

PASS. Acceptable duty readiness. Meets Air Force standard. Next PT test NLT xxxx. :)

FAIL. Unacceptable duty readiness. Failure to meet Air Force standard. Member must retire, separate, meet medical board, or pass PT test NLT xxxx. :eek:

With immediate effect: Mandated performance feedback documentation, no promotion eligibility, no PCS/PCA, no PME, no recognition/awards/decorations, and removal from special duty. ;)

No waivers or exceptions except for temp medical recovery. :cool:

[Measure Man]

Other. Short sharp shock with every member given an honest new PT test report card identifying PASS / FAIL options of:

PASS. Acceptable duty readiness. Meets Air Force standard. Next PT test NLT xxxx. :)

FAIL. Unacceptable duty readiness. Failure to meet Air Force standard. Member must retire, separate, meet medical board, or pass PT test NLT xxxx. :eek:

With immediate effect: Mandated performance feedback documentation, no promotion eligibility, no PCS/PCA, no PME, no recognition/awards/decorations, and removal from special duty. ;)

No waivers or exceptions except for temp medical recovery. :cool:

Yes...because PT and ONLY PT determines whether or not someone is a good Airman.

[Rastaman]

Yes...because PT and ONLY PT determines whether or not someone is a good Airman.

Measure, you have to look at it from "their" perspective: It's all about image. If you don't look like the poster boy/girl...off with you. See? Simple. :rolleyes:

[MajesticThunder]

Good Airmen hone their self discipline tempo toward meeting or exceeding all prevailing duty standards. No luxury to pick and choose which standard signifies the greater good. :rolleyes:

Smart, tactically aware Airmen know where there is smoke; there is fire. :eek:

Air Force leadership at various levels has been sending, deciphering, and acknowledging smoke signals about invigorated PT standards for some time now. :confused:

Lead by good example, follow by good example, or get out thus giving another capable volunteer an extraordinary opportunity to challenge themselves to lead or follow as a steadfast professional.

Earnestly; as frustrating as it is with priority or policy changes the Air Force is still a great military organization to endure as your chosen employer. ;)

[BRUWIN]

Yes...because PT and ONLY PT determines whether or not someone is a good Airman.

This is true. When I got a 79.50 or whatever it was on my practice test a few weeks back I was highlighted on the unit's spread sheet in yellow. All the really high scorers looked down on me. Hardly anyone came to me with thier issues anymore. Some would even wear those paper filiter masks over thier face when i was around. I was the bottom of the barrel until my real test a few weeks later when I made it a point to score over 80. Once that happened the PT clique critiqed my performance and deemed me safe to talk to. Mind you...I haven't been allowed back into the circle of my unit's beautiful people for lunch or anything like that. But at least they'll now answer my work related questions.

[LOAL-D]

This is true. When I got a 79.50 or whatever it was on my practice test a few weeks back I was highlighted on the unit's spread sheet in yellow. All the really high scorers looked down on me. Hardly anyone came to me with thier issues anymore. Some would even wear those paper filiter masks over thier face when i was around. I was the bottom of the barrel until my real test a few weeks later when I made it a point to score over 80. Once that happened the PT clique critiqed my performance and deemed me safe to talk to. Mind you...I haven't been allowed back into the circle of my unit's beautiful people for lunch or anything like that. But at least they'll now answer my work related questions.


Oh man, that’s beautiful stuff BRUWIN, Bravo!:D

[BRUWIN]

Oh man, that’s beautiful stuff BRUWIN, Bravo!:D

Well hopefully someday I'll be invited to nibble lettuce leaves and sip Perrier at one of thier get togethers.

[LOAL-D]

Well hopefully someday I'll be invited to nibble lettuce leaves and sip Perrier at one of thier get togethers.


Start your own club of woebegone outcast underachievers!:D

[BRUWIN]

Start your own club of woebegone outcast underachievers!:D

Good idea...I won't have to worry about leaving the table to throw up my food anymore
.

[LOAL-D]

Good idea...I won't have to worry about leaving the table to throw up my food.


"Better get a bucket".................

[BRUWIN]

"Better get a bucket".................


Seriously though...failing the PT test now is like those people back in the old days that failed the unit wide urinalysis tests. Those guys seemed to hang around the unit for months awaiting discharge. One day they were a TSgt the next they'd be a SrA or A1C mopping the aircraft hangers everyday. This is where the PT program is headed.

[LOAL-D]

Seriously though...failing the PT test now is like those people back in the old days that failed the unit wide urinalysis tests. Those guys seemed to hang around the unit for months awaiting discharge. One day they were a TSgt the next they'd be a SrA or A1C mopping the aircraft hangers everyday. This is where the PT program is headed.


Yep, and it doesn't have to be that way. That's the saddest part, the USAF used to be about airpower AND brain power....

[Smeghead]

Yep, and it doesn't have to be that way. That's the saddest part, the USAF used to be about airpower AND brain power....

HOOAH!!!!

;)

[AF Chief]

I voted Quick and Easy. Hell, we are supposed to be able to pass a PT test anytime, anywhere. Commanders test people all the time at their discretion.

[Combat correspondent]

Heck's yeah! I was hung over as hell the other morning when I was called in to PT - 3 weeks overdue! What a shining example I am ;) Anywho, passed that mo-fo with flying colors. Not really that hard! And, I'm 35. Why is it hard for these young 20 Airmen?

[LOAL-D]

Cause they grew up eating Fruity Pebbles while making permanent butt imprints on the couch playing video games

[BlueLabRat]

COMPLIANCE WITH THIS PUBLICATION IS MANDATORY

“All members of the Air Force must be physically fit to support the Air Force mission. Health benefits from an active lifestyle will increase productivity, optimize health, and decrease absenteeism while maintaining a higher level of readiness. The goal of the Fitness Program (FP) is to motivate all members to participate in a year-round physical conditioning program that emphasizes total fitness, to include proper aerobic conditioning, strength/flexibility training, and healthy eating. Commanders and supervisors must incorporate fitness into the AF culture to establish an environment for members to maintain physical fitness and health to meet expeditionary mission requirements and deliver a fit and ready force. The annual fitness assessment provides commanders with a tool to assist in the determination of overall fitness of their military personnel.”

Clearly strong words and lawfully directive in nature like all other AFIs. So what we really need is clear cut action not same old play on words and slow roll ramp ups. What we really need for once is an official HQ directed AF wide “Air Force Fitness stand down” day, week or month to safely and solely focus on this mission imperative to ensure fair and just organizational compliance and real no sh!t culture change once and for all. Emphasis being on ONCE and FOR ALL. Then we all can move onto doing our core jobs prioritized with our new found commitment to PT as a way of life.

Once after every Airman is turned out in compliance with AFI PT uniform requirtements and publicly accounted for in person for both formal and unofficial peer and subordinate assessments, properly briefed on new mandated testing procedures and local safety risk evaluations should the important task of testing commence with the same high operations tempo and intensity of any formal AF inspection or testing criteria that is mission essential. Anything else is just an overinflated regurgitated cycle ergo test repackaged and resprayed whimsical fad of the day being emphasized by current fashion trend setters on a mission.

[germb747]

Hardly anyone came to me with thier issues anymore.

Ah! That's the secret!