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05-05-2009, 08:25 PM
You only have to wait another month or so before you find out what your new PT test will look like.

Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz plans to roll out the big changes in June when he meets with the service’s four-stars at Corona, the general officer meetings held two or three times a year.

Here’s a peek at the options Schwartz is considering:

* Two physical training tests a year instead of one.

* A weighted scoring system.

* A looser waist standard, possibly 35 inches instead of the current 32 inches.

An Air Force Times reader posted some of the details on AirForceTimes.com.

Air Force spokeswoman Lt. Col. Adriane Craig acknowledged the proposal and said that Schwartz is evaluating many aspects of the test and the scoring system.

The last time that the Air Force retooled its physical fitness exam was five years ago. The aim then, as it is now, is to trim down the force by toughening the test. Today, more than 50 percent of airmen are overweight, but nearly all pass the test, according to Air Force statistics.

Since the overhaul, in 2004, airmen have spent countless hours either criticizing or defending the PT test, especially the 32-inch waist measurement. The other components: two minutes of push-ups, two minutes of sit-ups and a 1.5-mile run. The number of push-ups and sit-ups you have to do depends on your age; so does the time that you have for the run.

The total number of points you can get is 100 — 50 for the run, 30 for the waist measurement and 10 each for the sit-ups and push-ups. A passing score is 75.

In a February interview with Air Force Times, Schwartz discussed the PT test and the airmen’s complaints, especially about the waist measurement.

“One of the points of contention is waist measurement versus body mass index, and that’s what we’re going to decide on,” he said. “If you are 6-foot-5 and solid, as opposed to 5-feet-5 and solid, maybe the way we measure fitness should accommodate that distribution.”

Three more inches
Under the proposal posted on AirForceTimes.com, the components are the same except that the waist standard is upped by three inches, from 32 to 35 for men and from 29 to 32 for women.

The maximum score stays at 100, and you still can pass with 75 points. There’s a shift in points, though. The run counts for 60, up from 50, and the waist score drops from 30 to 20; the push-ups and sit-ups are worth the same 10 points each.

Despite the looser waist standard, the plan doesn’t have the weight-to-height ratio that airmen have been calling for.

Right now, airmen with a body mass index under 25 — BMI uses a person’s weight and height to measure the relative percentages of fat and muscle — get all 30 points even if their waists are wider than 32 inches. Airmen with a BMI above 25 have told Air Force Times they don’t understand why the service uses dual standards.

The scientists remain split on whether waist size should be the sole standard to measure overall health, but the Air Force remains the only service to use the measurement as part of its PT test.

Fit to fight
As more airmen strap on flak jackets and take fire in Iraq and Afghanistan, it’s left some wondering why the Air Force doesn’t add a battlefield component to its PT test.

The Marine Corps has led the way on what’s called combat fitness, and the Army’s not far behind.

The Corps added a combat fitness test, or CFT, in October that includes sprinting 880 yards, lifting a 30-pound ammo can overhead and sprinting through a course of combat drills such as throwing a grenade, dragging a casualty to safety and high-crawling to evade enemy fire.

The Army is drafting a new PT manual that will include combat exercises, such as doing pull-ups wearing a flak vest, but doesn’t have plans for a combat fitness test, said Frank Palkoska, director of the Army’s Physical Fitness School.

Plenty of airmen complete combat fitness programs — in particular in career fields such as security forces and pararescue. The Special Tactics Training Squadron developed a Combat Athlete Cell four years ago to incorporate sports medicine research into the training of combat controllers, pararescue and combat weather airmen.

“Running three miles and doing pushups and sit-ups doesn’t prepare our airmen to put 110 pounds on their back and do the mission,” said Maj. Chris Larkin, commander of the Special Tactics Training Squadron.

The goal was to increase production and to decrease injuries. The squadron has suffered no injuries and has seen major improvements in airmen’s strength and wellness since moving to this fitness regimen focused on combat effectiveness.

Two other officers did their own research on combat fitness and found the service’s fitness program fails to prepare airmen for combat.

Capt. Thomas Worden, a civil engineer who returned from a deployment with an Afghanistan provincial reconstruction team in 2007, worries the PT test is focused too much on waist size and not enough on whether an airman under enemy fire can carry a wounded airman to safety.

Maj. Jeremy Gordon, an F-22 pilot and a certified personal trainer, thinks the PT test focuses too much on both the waist measurement and the 1.5-mile run, and neglects “total fitness.” It doesn’t prepare airmen for combat or even their day-to-day jobs, he said.

“Rarely does an airman’s job call for long duration exertions [like a 1.5-mile run] without any weight or external objects to move,” Gordon wrote in his report, “USAF Concept for Functional Fitness.”

As part of the report, Gordon designed a combat fitness test that includes six events, completed consecutively:

* An 800-meter run.

* A 50-repetition press of a 30-pound object.

* A 400-meter run.

* A 50-pound object carried 100 feet.

* 50 full sit-ups.

* Five pull-ups.

Female airmen would do the same runs but lift and carry less weight and would be allowed to do five jumping pull-ups — not ones starting from a hanging position like the men.

Airmen’s scores would be scaled for age and gender and be based on how fast they could complete the course.

Gordon concedes this test would be “significantly more challenging” but would force airmen to focus on whole body fitness that emphasizes “stamina, flexibility, strength, power, speed, coordination, balance accuracy and agility.”

Worden, too, found the PT test failed to measure how an airman could operate on the battlefield. He kept his test simpler, though, including only three combat fitness exercises: The half-mile run, 30-pound dumbbell lift and pushups.

Those exercises are the best predictors of combat fitness, Gordon concluded after comparing how airmen fared in the Air Force PT test with how they performed in Army and Marine Corps combat fitness events.

“It is good at measuring general health and if an airman is going to rack up medical bills in the future,” Worden said of the Air Force PT test. “But it’s not very good at measuring if you will be good in combat.”

Walking the walk
Although Worden and Gordon have done the research, the Marine Corps has put combat fitness into practice.

The Corps didn’t do away with its PT test, or PFT; it just added the CFT, which a Marine must pass twice a year just like the PFT.

The push for a CFT came after Corps leadership heard back from combat veterans returning from Iraq and Afghanistan that the PT test alone wouldn’t do anymore. The Corps needed to supplement it with a way to measure how Marines would perform when they faced the rigor of combat.

“The commandant heard back from so many Marines that he made this a priority,” said Brian McGuire, physical readiness programs analyst with the Marines’ Quantico, Va.-based Training and Education Command.

The Corps has received positive feedback on the pass-fail test, still in its introductory phase, McGuire said.

In July, scores will be counted and Marines will be stratified by their performance. Now, McGuire is still trying to get the word out and teaching Marines about the new test.

McGuire doesn’t want to get ahead of Air Force leadership, but he can’t say enough about what the CFT has done for the Corps and thinks airmen would have just as much success with it.


Article: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/05/airforce_fitness_program_050109/

CrustySMSgt
05-05-2009, 08:53 PM
I'm all for sharing news... but these (numerous) articles are giving people the impression that these rumors and suggestions are fact... and getting folks all spun up over what is likely nothing.

I can't wait for the OFFICIAL release, so we can focus on fact, not speculation.

Pueblo
05-05-2009, 09:49 PM
If we test twice a year, what the hell are people supposed to do at bases with only an outdoor track?

MACHINE666
05-06-2009, 02:55 AM
Do we really need ANOTHER thread about PT in the Air Force?

Bravo PM Airman....I've been wondering who these "scientists" are that the Air Force has relied on all these years for the data. :rolleyes:

Shrike
05-06-2009, 03:09 AM
Go ahead - finish the sentence: "...for the few years that the program is active before it proves how dad-gum sensible it is to merge the Air Force into the Army." :)

(sigh) I think I'm just going to go buy some ACUs now before the 'big rush' hits in a few years...

That'll be the day I drop my retirement papers (if I haven't already done so).

MACHINE666
05-06-2009, 03:17 AM
That'll be the day I drop my retirement papers (if I haven't already done so).

Well May 14 will depend whether or not I stay an additional 2 years in the AF or if I cut and call it quits at 20 Shrike.....I'm heavily leaning towards the 'one-foot-out-the-door' theory personally....

Shrike
05-06-2009, 03:23 AM
Well May 14 will depend whether or not I stay an additional 2 years in the AF or if I cut and call it quits at 20 Shrike.....I'm heavily leaning towards the 'one-foot-out-the-door' theory personally....

Good luck! It's a big raise going from 6 to 7, and that's a lot of retirement income to consider. I know you've got plans, so I can't imagine it'll be an easy decision for you if your name's on the list.

MACHINE666
05-06-2009, 03:31 AM
Honestly at this point Shrike, I am so sour with the military and with Ramstein especially perhaps it would be what is best for me to call it quits after all...but you're right....it is alot of money to consider and throwing it away would not necessarily be a wise thing to do, especially long term......argh. :(

Smeghead
05-06-2009, 04:42 AM
Fingers crossed for ya, Machine.

Filterbing
05-06-2009, 10:39 AM
As part of the report, Gordon designed a combat fitness test that includes six events, completed consecutively:

* An 800-meter run.

* A 50-repetition press of a 30-pound object.

* A 400-meter run.

* A 50-pound object carried 100 feet.

* 50 full sit-ups.

* Five pull-ups.


I just read the article and this is where it's at. This needs to be the test. If you can do this within ten minutes then your good. Only thing that needs tweaked with this is all weights lifted should be based on your body weight. 50 lbs carry for 100 feet is different for 120lb dude to a 250lbs dude.

Shrike
05-06-2009, 11:42 AM
As part of the report, Gordon designed a combat fitness test that includes six events, completed consecutively:

* An 800-meter run.

* A 50-repetition press of a 30-pound object.

* A 400-meter run.

* A 50-pound object carried 100 feet.

* 50 full sit-ups.

* Five pull-ups.


I just read the article and this is where it's at. This needs to be the test. If you can do this within ten minutes then your good. Only thing that needs tweaked with this is all weights lifted should be based on your body weight. 50 lbs carry for 100 feet is different for 120lb dude to a 250lbs dude.

And the Air Force needs a "combat" fitness test exactly...why?

sigecaps
05-06-2009, 04:39 PM
As part of the report, Gordon designed a combat fitness test that includes six events, completed consecutively:

* An 800-meter run.

* A 50-repetition press of a 30-pound object.

* A 400-meter run.

* A 50-pound object carried 100 feet.

* 50 full sit-ups.

* Five pull-ups.


I just read the article and this is where it's at. This needs to be the test. If you can do this within ten minutes then your good. Only thing that needs tweaked with this is all weights lifted should be based on your body weight. 50 lbs carry for 100 feet is different for 120lb dude to a 250lbs dude.

If you want a combat fitness test, why are you discriminating weight based on what a person "should be able to carry". Do you think a casualty is going to care whether his wingman is a 120 lb or 250 lb? No he's only going to want to be evaced from a hostile zone ASAP.

blacksheep1208
05-06-2009, 11:20 PM
If you want a combat fitness test, why are you discriminating weight based on what a person "should be able to carry". Do you think a casualty is going to care whether his wingman is a 120 lb or 250 lb? No he's only going to want to be evaced from a hostile zone ASAP.

Oh you didn't know? If it's someone who doesn't weigh a lot that has to rescue you, you can shed a percentage of your weight automatically. It's in a MEO rule somewhere.

MACHINE666
05-07-2009, 07:55 AM
Good luck! It's a big raise going from 6 to 7, and that's a lot of retirement income to consider. I know you've got plans, so I can't imagine it'll be an easy decision for you if your name's on the list.

Well Shrike I just saw the cut-off scores for Master today and let's just say that I'll have better luck teaching a rock how to swim than making it this year....so at the chance of making a pre-emptive ass of myself, I need to start planning for retirement when word is official.

Thanks Shrike and Smeghead ~ ! :D

Shrike
05-07-2009, 09:11 AM
Well Shrike I just saw the cut-off scores for Master today and let's just say that I'll have better luck teaching a rock how to swim than making it this year....so at the chance of making a pre-emptive ass of myself, I need to start planning for retirement when word is official.

Thanks Shrike and Smeghead ~ ! :D

Interesting; most people I know are happy, as the percentage is about two points higher than last year.

ChaplainC
05-12-2009, 05:13 PM
Well Shrike I just saw the cut-off scores for Master today and let's just say that I'll have better luck teaching a rock how to swim than making it this year....so at the chance of making a pre-emptive ass of myself, I need to start planning for retirement when word is official.

Thanks Shrike and Smeghead ~ ! :D


Good luck to you Machine666. You have always struck me as an asset to the A.F. I wish you luck in your future endeavors.

Blessings

As for the theme of this thread... personally I am with filterbing up there. I rather like the CFT idea. I know that most would not need many of those skills, but I think it is fair to say that most do not need that which is on the current PFT. Further I think that it would be a more healthy lifestyle choice trying to match up to that test rather than the run test we now have.

The current test mostly seems, to me, like some runner got mad at the bike test and decided to pay back everyone who did well on that because runners did so poorly on the bike test. Me, I am a very slow runner, I just never have been fast. So I always do poorly on the PT test even though I can max out everything else.


What I am trying to say is that I think that CFT listed above would be a test more people could be accruately gaged on reguardless of height and personal fitness preferences. (ie if you like to lift, or run, you should be tested well on that test idea.)

My two bits

Matai
05-12-2009, 07:57 PM
I just wish the PT problem would get fixed. I don't know how I would do if, by some miracle, they instituted the CFT described. I do know that the current PT is a joke, and the rumored new one is even worse. All they did was give more points to the run and less on the stregth aspect. Where before I could test and only have to do a few push-ups and situps to pass the test, now I won't even have to bother. They aren't worth the effort it takes to do them now. I can save the energy required and perform better on the run and still pass the test without having to do the push-ups and situps.

I know we aren't the army or the marines and do really need a fitness test per se, but the healthy lifestyle is much appreciated (at least for me). I'm not into the "health craze." Neither am I a "fitness buff" by any stretch of the imagination. The military has helped me be healthy because it is required and I try to stay that way. If they want us to be healthy fine, but at least make an effort to do so. Stop blowing smoke up my butt and telling me it's good for me. I'm not stupid. I don't have my degree in this field, but I know this isn't an improvement.

technomage1
05-13-2009, 02:15 AM
I've got a couple of points here.

If the new test is twice a year, I think that people who score in the 90s should only test once a year. This will have the effect of motivating people to score higher (granted, not everyone will be motived by this, but a lot will).

As far as combat fitness - the smallest person can move a battlefield casualty away from harm in a hurry if the proper carry is used. Granted, it's a lot easier for the 250 lb male bodybuilder to lift the 98 lb female - but I guarantee that female can lift him in a fireman's carry or use a drag if she has too to save his life. I learned the carrys in a self aid buddy class back in the day - much to my sadness, this portion of the course has been dropped (or perhaps I just had a gung ho instructor?).

CrustySMSgt
05-13-2009, 02:28 AM
I've got a couple of points here.

If the new test is twice a year, I think that people who score in the 90s should only test once a year. This will have the effect of motivating people to score higher (granted, not everyone will be motived by this, but a lot will).

As far as combat fitness - the smallest person can move a battlefield casualty away from harm in a hurry if the proper carry is used. Granted, it's a lot easier for the 250 lb male bodybuilder to lift the 98 lb female - but I guarantee that female can lift him in a fireman's carry or use a drag if she has too to save his life. I learned the carrys in a self aid buddy class back in the day - much to my sadness, this portion of the course has been dropped (or perhaps I just had a gung ho instructor?).

Of course it is still "pending final approval" but the big guy said it again today... twice a year is coming... as is centralized testing.

No point in "motivating those who score over 90" to not have to test more than once a year, they are still going to have to do unit PT... so waht's the difference? (He did also address the inequity in some AFSCs being able to do unit PT more often than others. He said, "My direction is for some unit time to be given to ALL Airmen to do PT... but to think you can stay fit full yon duty time is not realistic.)

technomage1
05-14-2009, 01:56 AM
Of course it is still "pending final approval" but the big guy said it again today... twice a year is coming... as is centralized testing.

No point in "motivating those who score over 90" to not have to test more than once a year, they are still going to have to do unit PT... so waht's the difference? (He did also address the inequity in some AFSCs being able to do unit PT more often than others. He said, "My direction is for some unit time to be given to ALL Airmen to do PT... but to think you can stay fit full yon duty time is not realistic.)

I hate doing the PT test. It actually screws up my workout schedule for a week - I have to cut my running mileage down and it is just a pain. I've also talked to many 90 and abovers and they feel the same way - it's just a pain in the rear to test, and it's one less hassle for busy people.

Staying fit on duty time has never been realistic, the vast majority of people who score well do workouts on their own time. Having said that, if PT is our job, then the culture needs to reflect that. If some career fields need more manning to be able to accomplish part of their mission (PT) so be it. Ther AF has always kind of wanted to have it's cake and eat it too in this area - they want us to be like the other services (PT) but the other services do not have the missions at home station that we do.

Another point - please, please during unit PT time don't waste our time. I hate it when they decide that everyone has to play dodgeball or something. Make it an option, but I'd rather use that time for a workout.