PT Patch Vs. PT Excellent Ribbon?

[FINTCH]

How about a PT Patch for those who score a perfect 100? Are you serious? Why don't we just go to a PT Excellent Ribbon on the ribbon rack like when AF memebers score expert on the shooting range? In fact, how about if the member scores an Excellent on the PT test they get to wear the new PT Excellent Ribbon, but during the next PT test, if they score below Excellent, they can't wear the ribbon anymore!!!!

On another note, if you go to qualify on the range and you don't re-earn Expert, then you shouldn't be allowed to wear the Expert Ribbon.

How about those two changes for the next Uniform Board?

FINTCH

[Modus]

I don't see why not. There's a ribbon for everything else. Army has PT competitions and the winners get either Achievement or Commendation medals.

[Kegler]

I think VFFSSGT just had a coronary when he read this one!:eek:

[FCMVP#30]

How about a PT Patch for those who score a perfect 100? Are you serious? Why don't we just go to a PT Excellent Ribbon on the ribbon rack like when AF memebers score expert on the shooting range? In fact, how about if the member scores an Excellent on the PT test they get to wear the new PT Excellent Ribbon, but during the next PT test, if they score below Excellent, they can't wear the ribbon anymore!!!!

On another note, if you go to qualify on the range and you don't re-earn Expert, then you shouldn't be allowed to wear the Expert Ribbon.

How about those two changes for the next Uniform Board?

FINTCH

There should be a ribbon for Levitow Award winners before a ribbon for PT excellence. I'm much more impressed by someone that wins Levitow than someone that looks like they couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper sack and gets a 100 on their PT test.

[sigecaps]

I demand a perfect attendance ribbon.

[LOAL-D]

Now, if they made the PT patch an eye patch, worn over the left eye of course......


and then there are parrots involved, oops, thread warp....

[BRUWIN]

Why don't we just go to a PT Excellent Ribbon on the ribbon rack like when AF memebers score expert on the shooting range? In fact, how about if the member scores an Excellent on the PT test they get to wear the new PT Excellent Ribbon, but during the next PT test, if they score below Excellent, they can't wear the ribbon anymore!!!!

On another note, if you go to qualify on the range and you don't re-earn Expert, then you shouldn't be allowed to wear the Expert Ribbon.

How about those two changes for the next Uniform Board?

FINTCH

I'm thinking you had too little going on at work today.

[technomage1]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. All I want for my excellent is to be left alone for a year.

[AFKILO7]

A PT ribbon or medal?! OMG to whomever thought this up, "Find someone to kick you in the junk repeatedly...very hard."

[MACHINE666]

How about NO!

*Dr Evil impersonation*

[BRAVO10000]

There should be a ribbon for Levitow Award winners before a ribbon for PT excellence. I'm much more impressed by someone that wins Levitow than someone that looks like they couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper sack and gets a 100 on their PT test.

Ohhh I SO hope we aren't going THERE...

[LOAL-D]

Ohhh I SO hope we aren't going THERE...

Might as well make it Best Butt Kisser Ribbon...

you don't want to know what you have to do for clusters....

[BRUWIN]

I never won Levito so I'm not on board. Besides, I have so many ribbons my specialty badge can barely be seen under my left epilet...just thought you'd all want to know that.

[technomage1]

I never won Levito so I'm not on board. Besides, I have so many ribbons my specialty badge can barely be seen under my left epilet...just thought you'd all want to know that.

Someone's been going TDY a lot.... :thumbup:

[JeffyB]

If you really want a patch... Presidential Fitness Challenge (http://www.presidentschallenge.org/home_adults.aspx)

[VFFSSGT]

I think VFFSSGT just had a coronary when he read this one!:eek:

ROFL....good one... :D It is about right... :rolleyes:

[KT3]

Just throwing this out there. The Army has a patch that is worn on their PT shirts. Soldiers who make a 300/300 gets the patch, and lose the patch when they don't maintain a perfect score. (By the way, a group of Soldiers gave me the info when I asked about the patch on one of their PT gear so don't quote me 100%) The point I am making is that patch or ribbon, we will be one step closer to the Army. :tongue:

[WPNS]

There should be a ribbon for Levitow Award winners before a ribbon for PT excellence. I'm much more impressed by someone that wins Levitow than someone that looks like they couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper sack and gets a 100 on their PT test.

Levitow? are you serious? Yea, let's award someone for blowing every instructor that every lived. Never met a Levitow winner worth a shit at their REAL job

[BRAVO10000]

Just throwing this out there. The Army has a patch that is worn on their PT shirts. Soldiers who make a 300/300 gets the patch, and lose the patch when they don't maintain a perfect score. (By the way, a group of Soldiers gave me the info when I asked about the patch on one of their PT gear so don't quote me 100%) The point I am making is that patch or ribbon, we will be one step closer to the Army. :tongue:

And it has already started...bleh.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8853/ptbmp.png

[BENDER56]

How about a ten-year moratorium on Uniform Boards and we focus on getting the mission done instead of wasting time thinking up meaningless feel-good changes to our uniforms.

#%&*ing "Prince" shirt, indeed. Some people need a life ... or a job ... or both.

[VFFSSGT]

How about a ten-year moratorium on Uniform Boards and we focus on getting the mission done instead of wasting time thinking up meaningless feel-good changes to our uniforms.

#%&*ing "Prince" shirt, indeed. Some people need a life ... or a job ... or both.

I second that... :D

[KT3]

And it has already started...bleh.

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8853/ptbmp.png

/facepalm

Just rename us the Army Air Core and get it over with.

[eichampt1]

How about a PT Patch for those who score a perfect 100? Are you serious? Why don't we just go to a PT Excellent Ribbon on the ribbon rack like when AF memebers score expert on the shooting range? In fact, how about if the member scores an Excellent on the PT test they get to wear the new PT Excellent Ribbon, but during the next PT test, if they score below Excellent, they can't wear the ribbon anymore!!!!

On another note, if you go to qualify on the range and you don't re-earn Expert, then you shouldn't be allowed to wear the Expert Ribbon.

How about those two changes for the next Uniform Board?

FINTCH

Wow...are you serious? I for one am tired of seeing SSgts with 5 full rows of ribons. Why not create ribbons for graduating tech school, upgrade to 5-level, or 5 EPRs (joking of course)? We have way too many 'meaningless' ribbons already. If you earn a marksman ribbon then you should keep it regardless of how many subsequent times you don't acheive marksman. That would be like having a Amn/NCO monthly award winner turn in their trophy if they don't keep winning the award month after month. You earn it once...it's yours.

[KT3]

Wow...are you serious? I for one am tired of seeing SSgts with 5 full rows of ribons. Why not create ribbons for graduating tech school, upgrade to 5-level, or 5 EPRs (joking of course)? We have way too many 'meaningless' ribbons already. If you earn a marksman ribbon then you should keep it regardless of how many subsequent times you don't acheive marksman. That would be like having a Amn/NCO monthly award winner turn in their trophy if they don't keep winning the award month after month. You earn it once...it's yours.



What are the meaningless ribbons are you talking about. I am interested in figuring out which ones I shouldn't wear.. (Besides the BMT ribbion) That one should be taken out. I am wearing the uniform, obviously I graduated from BMT.

[eichampt1]

What are the meaningless ribbons are you talking about. I am interested in figuring out which ones I shouldn't wear.. (Besides the BMT ribbion) That one should be taken out. I am wearing the uniform, obviously I graduated from BMT.

- GCM, MUA, AFRR, GWOT-SM, KDSM, NDSM, HSM, AFOR-ST, ASCM, AFTR, PME & BMTHGR come to mind.

[MACHINE666]

How about a ten-year moratorium on Uniform Boards and we focus on getting the mission done instead of wasting time thinking up meaningless feel-good changes to our uniforms.

#%&*ing "Prince" shirt, indeed. Some people need a life ... or a job ... or both.

What. I thought Prince looked rather dashing in that movie "Purple Rain" of his ~ ! All those ruffles flowing ever so gently in the breeze ~ ! :D Whose to say that we can't do the same thing and show the public we're in touch with our sensitivity training for a change?

:D :D :D :D :D

[Multitasker]

Wow...are you serious? I for one am tired of seeing SSgts with 5 full rows of ribons. Why not create ribbons for graduating tech school, upgrade to 5-level, or 5 EPRs (joking of course)? We have way too many 'meaningless' ribbons already. If you earn a marksman ribbon then you should keep it regardless of how many subsequent times you don't acheive marksman. That would be like having a Amn/NCO monthly award winner turn in their trophy if they don't keep winning the award month after month. You earn it once...it's yours.

Uhh...unless you're a missile cop...

Missile cop=no ribbons

[BRAVO10000]

What are the meaningless ribbons are you talking about. I am interested in figuring out which ones I shouldn't wear.. (Besides the BMT ribbion) That one should be taken out. I am wearing the uniform, obviously I graduated from BMT.

On one hand - there aren't a whole lot of them below the AFAM that are really necessary. Longevity ribbon? I am in favor of service stripes over that thing anyway. GCM? I guess...but in this day in age, it should be a foregone conclusion. BMT ribbon? Duh. This one just keeps anyone from having a big zero there. Overseas tours? Who cares, you got to go overseas. PME ribbon? You made Staff, must have gone to ALS. Master? Ditto on NCOA. Chief? Yep - SNCOA (although I'll be shocked if the Command Chiefs don't eventually add a device for the Chief's Leadership Course). But I digress...

On the other hand - I like my foreign decs. I enjoy the looks from the youngins when they ask WTF that KLM is, and want to know why there are two of them. Besides, our culture is "more is better" when it come to fruit salad and PT. But I DO think they have reached the point where many of these ribbons/medals are just plain patronizing.

[Modus]

Why is it usually the people with not many ribbons trying to downplay the importance? In my experience at least.

[BRAVO10000]

Why is it usually the people with not many ribbons trying to downplay the importance? In my experience at least.

Answered your own question. This is the "I am better than you" Air Force. In fact, I think they issue a tape measure at BMT for measuring...you know...

I noticed this same stuff during Desert Storm. We were the first ones to "X", or the only ones to "Y". Bleh. I do tend to look at someone's ribbon rack to get a feel for where they have been and what they have done...overseas tours, GCMs and longevity, etcetera. Beyond that, it's just purty colors.

[Measure Man]

How about a ten-year moratorium on Uniform Boards and we focus on getting the mission done instead of wasting time thinking up meaningless feel-good changes to our uniforms.

#%&*ing "Prince" shirt, indeed. Some people need a life ... or a job ... or both.

+1 you have my vote.

[Bummed]

Why is it usually the people with not many ribbons trying to downplay the importance? In my experience at least.


Because too many times some jackazz with a rack thinks that rack gives him authority or importance!

I don't think it's about the importance of the ribbon or achievement. I think it is a reality check. It's about the attitude it creates. A SNCO that has worked his way to a HQ job years ago and missed the grunt work of this war will never have that rack a troop of 8 yrs today has. It's just that the SNCO's grunt years were not during very active conflict. Should his career be valued less or degraded compared to the younger troops'?

Now, back to the PT ribbon. Aren't there already coins issued for getting Excellent and 100%? All that's gonna do is increase the maintenance of the uniform. And increase the instruction needed to wear it properly. But, it will provide another constant topic here!

[BRAVO10000]

Because too many times some jackazz with a rack thinks that rack gives him authority or importance!

I don't think it's about the importance of the ribbon or achievement. I think it is a reality check. It's about the attitude it creates. A SNCO that has worked his way to a HQ job years ago and missed the grunt work of this war will never have that rack a troop of 8 yrs today has. It's just that the SNCO's grunt years were not during very active conflict. Should his career be valued less or degraded compared to the younger troops'?

Now, back to the PT ribbon. Aren't there already coins issued for getting Excellent and 100%? All that's gonna do is increase the maintenance of the uniform. And increase the instruction needed to wear it properly. But, it will provide another constant topic here!

With your point taken and understood...never compare? We SNCOs are deploying too. The GWOTs don't have devices.

With that said, I came into the AF in '87. Operation Just Cause was in '88, Desert Shield/Storm in 90/91. Then there was Yugoslavia in '93, Somalia in '95...I think the only period of real peace in my career was from the fall of the wall (November 89) to the start of the Gulf War. They just weren't giving away all this fruit salad.

Not calling you out, but there was plenty going on in my grunt years. :-)

[LOAL-D]

A PT patch might help you get over the craving to work out too much....

[VFFSSGT]

Why is it usually the people with not many ribbons trying to downplay the importance? In my experience at least.

I have many ribbons and they practically all mean squat... I got them for doing nothing more than my job; if that is the point of them I guess it's okay, but to me that is why you get a paycheck. You should have to do something extraordinary to earn a ribbon or award and when they are handed out like candy at a parade they obviously do not mean anything....

[BRUWIN]

I have many ribbons and they practically all mean squat... I got them for doing nothing more than my job; if that is the point of them I guess it's okay, but to me that is why you get a paycheck. You should have to do something extraordinary to earn a ribbon or award and when they are handed out like candy at a parade they obviously do not mean anything....


I don't know...it seems to me that when CMSAF Roy was selected everybody formed an opinion after seeing his ribbon rack. They do tell a story and people do use a ribbon rack to determine one's credibility on certain issues.

[Shrike]

With your point taken and understood...never compare? We SNCOs are deploying too. The GWOTs don't have devices.

With that said, I came into the AF in '87. Operation Just Cause was in '88, Desert Shield/Storm in 90/91. Then there was Yugoslavia in '93, Somalia in '95...I think the only period of real peace in my career was from the fall of the wall (November 89) to the start of the Gulf War. They just weren't giving away all this fruit salad.

Not calling you out, but there was plenty going on in my grunt years. :-)

Add in all the counterdrug stuff going on in Central and South America, and that's a pretty full plate for lots of us.

I guess some people think that once the Cold War ended we just sat around twiddling our thumbs until 9/11.

[BRAVO10000]

Add in all the counterdrug stuff going on in Central and South America, and that's a pretty full plate for lots of us.

I guess some people think that once the Cold War ended we just sat around twiddling our thumbs until 9/11.

I guess. Sometimes Airmen are like teenaged offspring. They are certain that they know more than you, and have no concept that you have already done what they are doing...

[Bummed]

With your point taken and understood...never compare? We SNCOs are deploying too. The GWOTs don't have devices.

With that said, I came into the AF in '87. Operation Just Cause was in '88, Desert Shield/Storm in 90/91. Then there was Yugoslavia in '93, Somalia in '95...I think the only period of real peace in my career was from the fall of the wall (November 89) to the start of the Gulf War. They just weren't giving away all this fruit salad.

Not calling you out, but there was plenty going on in my grunt years. :-)

I should have said "Should his career be valued less or degraded compared to the younger troops' based upon the rack?"

I'm on your side. You're right there was alot going on, but you guys were not getting the ribbons like being handed out now. I say you guys because even though those were my grunt years, I spent all my time as a 2M0. Our hope of a getting a dec was to be on the first maintenance team after a terrible blizzard that would kill the ICBM alert rate! Forget about deploying or going overseas because GLCM was deactivating at the time.

Only in the last few years have any 2M0s been involved in the rest of the AF, and in a VERY limited manner. Before this time, we did not deploy or do OS tours. No mobility or chem training. We are still limited stateside except for a few slots for the x1s, Electrical (Guam). Even the assignments to spacelift are stateside limited.

My point is the comparison and judgement without the consideration of circumstances. That is what is being done by the younger crowd, and a few of the older folks.



I guess. Sometimes Airmen are like teenaged offspring. They are certain that they know more than you, and have no concept that you have already done what they are doing...

Well said.

[Joker76]

I can't wait to "earn" that silly ribbon or badge and then never wear it....my silent protest to how silly this whole thing is.

[ZEUSCPH]

Instead of a PT patch, why not recognize excellent PT test scores with an additional rating on the EPR. All the other sections on the EPRs have a max rating of Clearly Exceeds. It only seems fitting to include a rating for Clearly Exceeds for the PT Test and if you score an Excellent you Clearly Exceed the standard. That would separate the 4's from the 5's.

[Joker76]

Instead of a PT patch, why not recognize excellent PT test scores with an additional rating on the EPR. All the other sections on the EPRs have a max rating of Clearly Exceeds. It only seems fitting to include a rating for Clearly Exceeds for the PT Test and if you score an Excellent you Clearly Exceed the standard. That would separate the 4's from the 5's.

That sounds really familiar...OH YES..thats what the old form did...:wall:

totally off topic...is the USAF planing on offering early retirments agian?

[mfjdspence]

So they want to give us a patch now...geez...more and more like the Army. Stinking pathetic since we all know that most, not all, but most 100 score types could hardly lift one of the 80 score types out of a HMVV with body armor on. Yep...give them the patch so I know who not to ride in the HMVV with.

To the jerk said that they are measuring visceral fat vs. hip size and that is why they didn't change the standard for folks who were taller: Your test measures from the top of the hip bone. A high school anatomy student (class & otherwise) knows already that a taller person would have larger hips as they carry more mass. His comment is almost on a par with me saying that a 5'5" persons arms are the same length as a 6'5" and therefore can do the same amount of pushups at the same speed with the same muscle mass. I just want to know where some of these people who are the supposed experts making decisions went to school or if they are even published.

I am super glad for the changes they made, but sheez, come on now. You have to be living in a cave to not see what is going on right in front of you.

[BigBaze]

Instead of a PT patch, why not recognize excellent PT test scores with an additional rating on the EPR. All the other sections on the EPRs have a max rating of Clearly Exceeds. It only seems fitting to include a rating for Clearly Exceeds for the PT Test and if you score an Excellent you Clearly Exceed the standard. That would separate the 4's from the 5's.


Again, that goes to rewarding people who have naturally skinny waists. The gym rat, who can bench press 300 pounds and has a stocky build is never going to get that score. Let's just not add the patch, I think the uniform board has caused us enough pain already.

[Modus]

So they want to give us a patch now...geez...more and more like the Army. Stinking pathetic since we all know that most, not all, but most 100 score types could hardly lift one of the 80 score types out of a HMVV with body armor on. Yep...give them the patch so I know who not to ride in the HMVV with.

To the jerk said that they are measuring visceral fat vs. hip size and that is why they didn't change the standard for folks who were taller: Your test measures from the top of the hip bone. A high school anatomy student (class & otherwise) knows already that a taller person would have larger hips as they carry more mass. His comment is almost on a par with me saying that a 5'5" persons arms are the same length as a 6'5" and therefore can do the same amount of pushups at the same speed with the same muscle mass. I just want to know where some of these people who are the supposed experts making decisions went to school or if they are even published.

I am super glad for the changes they made, but sheez, come on now. You have to be living in a cave to not see what is going on right in front of you.

The whole skinny people can't make it in combat zones thing is lame lol. I'm so tired of hearing that BS. I was deployed most of last year, I spent time in full battle rattle outside the wire. The main people who were throwing up and passing out, were the same people who had trouble with their PT test. We had alot of big muscle bound guys throwing up/passing out/needing IVs. If you can't pass the PT test you suck period. (Minus the people with injuries etc.)

[AFKILO7]

The whole skinny people can't make it in combat zones thing is lame lol. I'm so tired of hearing that BS. I was deployed most of last year, I spent time in full battle rattle outside the wire. The main people who were throwing up and passing out, were the same people who had trouble with their PT test. We had alot of big muscle bound guys throwing up/passing out/needing IVs. If you can't pass the PT test you suck period. (Minus the people with injuries etc.)


Yeah I have been "Outside the Wire" too, with the Marines, Army and other DoD agencies...I can tell you from my experience...Most Air Force "100%" PT performers can go run another marathon. There are exceptions to the rule, PJ, TACP, or Combat Controller. I can also say that I have given IV's to some of these fine fitness guru's in the Air Force. Just because you can run doesn't mean you can do the job. There needs to be a balance between your strength and cardio fitness levels. The current "idealogy" of a rail thin Airmen needs to change.

I do not agree with your attitude that people that can't pass suck. I know some people that may not be the most fit, but they have saved my ass and others by their technical experience. I do like the minimum scores that have been set, it looks like our leadership is attempting to fix the ship that the "fcuk up fairy" has left us.

[ZEUSCPH]

Again, that goes to rewarding people who have naturally skinny waists. The gym rat, who can bench press 300 pounds and has a stocky build is never going to get that score. Let's just not add the patch, I think the uniform board has caused us enough pain already.

This may be rewarding airmen with naturally skinny waists but it is really trying to promote a healthier lifestyle. The Air Force just announced that the maximum waist measurement needed for a perfect score is growing from 32.5 inches to 35 inches for men and 29 inches to 31.5 inches for women so if you still can't max out your waist measurement points then maybe you need to get in shape and lose some weight. For those that have been in since the Ergo test went away and the PT test was first revised, it has been a good 6-7 years that you have had to lose weight. After this long you should have increased your score unless you are injured. I think it just comes down to our core value of Excellence in All We Do. With that in mind that is why you should srtive to have a 100 on your pt test.

[FINTCH]

I think the whole idea of a PT patch is dumb! That is why I brought up the Medal. Also, I do think that if you fail to shoot expert on the range you should loose your marksman ribbon (if you had already obtained it prior). Failure to shoot expert again is failure to maintain high standards.

[Silver Fox]

There should be a ribbon for Levitow Award winners before a ribbon for PT excellence. I'm much more impressed by someone that wins Levitow than someone that looks like they couldnt fight their way out of a wet paper sack and gets a 100 on their PT test.

I get 90's on mine, and believe me, I look like I could eat a wet paper sack. I get continual comparisons to Charles Bronson. :mad: And if not him, Till Lindemann from Rammstein. And the drunk Russian Cosmonaut from Armaggedon..... which is odd, because as a youth I was always compared to Adam Sandler.
I vote down both.

Nobody cares about the Levitow after your ALS graduation, and no one cares if you made a 90 on your PT Test, Just if you passed it. Now our squadron gives guys who get a 90 or above a day off, and 100's two days off.... but anything more than that is overkill.

[Tra]

Add in all the counterdrug stuff going on in Central and South America, and that's a pretty full plate for lots of us.

I guess some people think that once the Cold War ended we just sat around twiddling our thumbs until 9/11.

To add to this, don't forget too that the AF has had a continuous presence and mission in the middle East since first Gulf War. Mostly with enforcing the no fly zones.

[Tra]

Now our squadron gives guys who get a 90 or above a day off, and 100's two days off.... but anything more than that is overkill.

I think that is awesome, personally. IMO, since we can't reward our folks with more $$$, one of the best ways we CAN reward them is with time off. I know for me, and I suspect for most folks, a little time off is worth a lot more than another ribbon.

[Gunner007]

I want a ribbon for the people who didnt get a ribbon, ribbon! That way everytime someone you work with gets a ribbon for something and you dont you can just add a cluster on your i didnt get a ribbon ribbon. SImilar in concept to the every kid gets a trophy theory.

My God, lets create another worthless piece of tin to make those who are too busy working out to contribute to the real USAF mission where they might have gotten a real medal for something feel good about themselves.

We already brought back the worthless ass good conduct medal, wasnt that enough bling for those whiny ass babies that arent good enough to earn a REAL medal/ribbon?

[eichampt1]

I want a ribbon for the people who didnt get a ribbon, ribbon! That way everytime someone you work with gets a ribbon for something and you dont you can just add a cluster on your i didnt get a ribbon ribbon. SImilar in concept to the every kid gets a trophy theory.

My God, lets create another worthless piece of tin to make those who are too busy working out to contribute to the real USAF mission where they might have gotten a real medal for something feel good about themselves.

We already brought back the worthless ass good conduct medal, wasnt that enough bling for those whiny ass babies that arent good enough to earn a REAL medal/ribbon?

Couldn't have said it better. Very well articulated indeed!

[TiggerBlueDevil]

I want a ribbon for the people who didnt get a ribbon, ribbon! That way everytime someone you work with gets a ribbon for something and you dont you can just add a cluster on your i didnt get a ribbon ribbon. SImilar in concept to the every kid gets a trophy theory.

My God, lets create another worthless piece of tin to make those who are too busy working out to contribute to the real USAF mission where they might have gotten a real medal for something feel good about themselves.

We already brought back the worthless ass good conduct medal, wasnt that enough bling for those whiny ass babies that arent good enough to earn a REAL medal/ribbon?

Seriously - I totally agree. I saw more ribbons/decs given out for stupid crap when I was in than I can even mention. When I separated in 2000, I moved to Saudi Arabia and was working on Eskan Village (LONG, VERY LONG story). I saw a SSgt get an AFCM for SETTING UP AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT during some general's visit. I lie not.

When I was a cop, I blew my initial QC out of the water with a score of 98 - which impressed the education folks enough that THEY gave me recognition for it. I ran an emergency response for an incapacitated woman collapsed on the base playground (as an A1C, because I was the first one there - and I'd been in about six months and was SCARED TO DEATH) - and also when I was an A1C, and less than one month after certifying with my MWD (I came in pipeline, the old fashioned way!) with less than three months time on station, I had the first drug bust on my base IN THREE YEARS - and the only recognition I got was from my shift sergeant, my kennel master, and OSI. ZIPPO from my commander - and never mind OSI told me they'd been trying to bust this guy for MONTHS. (My dog alerted on his POV in the dorm parking lot.)

But, I was just "doing my job" - never mind I had practially zero experience both times and was commended by OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON BASE FOR DOING IT. Then I saw that SSgt in Saudi get an AFCM for AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT.

REALLY??? Grrr...

[BigT2002]

I demand a perfect attendance ribbon.

I demand "I've never been on a profile" prior to PT testing or deploying ribbon


Seriously - I totally agree. I saw more ribbons/decs given out for stupid crap when I was in than I can even mention. When I separated in 2000, I moved to Saudi Arabia and was working on Eskan Village (LONG, VERY LONG story). I saw a SSgt get an AFCM for SETTING UP AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT during some general's visit. I lie not.

When I was a cop, I blew my initial QC out of the water with a score of 98 - which impressed the education folks enough that THEY gave me recognition for it. I ran an emergency response for an incapacitated woman collapsed on the base playground (as an A1C, because I was the first one there - and I'd been in about six months and was SCARED TO DEATH) - and also when I was an A1C, and less than one month after certifying with my MWD (I came in pipeline, the old fashioned way!) with less than three months time on station, I had the first drug bust on my base IN THREE YEARS - and the only recognition I got was from my shift sergeant, my kennel master, and OSI. ZIPPO from my commander - and never mind OSI told me they'd been trying to bust this guy for MONTHS. (My dog alerted on his POV in the dorm parking lot.)

But, I was just "doing my job" - never mind I had practially zero experience both times and was commended by OTHER DEPARTMENTS ON BASE FOR DOING IT. Then I saw that SSgt in Saudi get an AFCM for AUDIOVISUAL EQUIPMENT.

REALLY??? Grrr...

Its stories like that which make some medals feel worthless to me. I busted my ass off in Iraq at a base where there was zero AF prescense before we set foot on it. Because of the 332AEW's rules though, they only allowed so many medals to be granted during an AEF cycle. Because certain bases were attacked and therefore had those bullets on their 1206's those people got the medals, meanwhile we were putting systems in place and creating tools and checklists from scratch. One NCO I was deployed with got a AFCM out it because he complained to his functional in PACAF.

What really got me though was I got back and my OIC (now a retire) was at Balad and just so happened to be in a room when they hit Zarqui (spelling) with the bomb and crap. Because he was in the room, he was awarded a Bronze freaking Star! His citation had all the AFSC's stuff that they had done (so the attacks) then how he "coordinated" classified briefs and stuff which we know he didn't do because one of his controllers was a former peer of mine from another base.

So AFAM, AFCM, and BS when they do not have a "V" device on them mean nothing to me than someone kissed a little more ass than someone else to get an extra few points on their WAPs

[NFCstang]

What really got me though was I got back and my OIC (now a retire) was at Balad and just so happened to be in a room when they hit Zarqui (spelling) with the bomb and crap. Because he was in the room, he was awarded a Bronze freaking Star! His citation had all the AFSC's stuff that they had done (so the attacks) then how he "coordinated" classified briefs and stuff which we know he didn't do because one of his controllers was a former peer of mine from another base.

That's crap. I was in the room and I didn't get nothin'

[BRUWIN]

That's crap. I was in the room and I didn't get nothin'

Really? I was eating a donut within the required eligibility of 100 yards of the building to receive an MSM. If you were within 200 yards you got the AFCM, and within 1,000 yards the AFAM.

It was a close call....they measured me at 97 yards. Had they used meters I wouldn't have been eligible.

[NFCstang]

Really? I was eating a donut within the required eligibility of 100 yards of the building to receive an MSM. If you were within 200 yards you got the AFCM, and within 1,000 yards the AFAM.

It was a close call....they measured me at 97 yards. Had they used meters I wouldn't have been eligible.


I guess that's what I get for being a "fatty." I was double fisting the doughnuts

[lemon30]

How about a PT Patch for those who score a perfect 100? Are you serious? Why don't we just go to a PT Excellent Ribbon on the ribbon rack like when AF memebers score expert on the shooting range? In fact, how about if the member scores an Excellent on the PT test they get to wear the new PT Excellent Ribbon, but during the next PT test, if they score below Excellent, they can't wear the ribbon anymore!!!!

On another note, if you go to qualify on the range and you don't re-earn Expert, then you shouldn't be allowed to wear the Expert Ribbon.

How about those two changes for the next Uniform Board?

FINTCH

That has to be the dumbest thing i have ever heard!!! You want to wear a ribbon for PT excellence, wow!!! It makes sense to wear the patch instead of the ribbon because than people like you dont have to waste your money buying a new ribbon rack, the ribbon, putting it on, and than failing the next pt test. a ribbon. Dumbest thing i have ever heard. I usually dont register for these things but when i saw that, i had to....unbelievable

[Mictam]

Don't care unless points for promotion comes with it. The only ribbons I really appreciate are the expeditionary/OIF/OEF ones.