Difference Between MOS 0231 and 0261?

[Tovarish1]

Hey people I was wondering what the difference is between Intelligence Specialist and Geographic Intelligence Specialist? What kind of equipment are they issued? Do they both carry rifles?

[NRTrackChamp2004]

your 0231's are you basic Intel guys. 0261's are your topo guys, they pretty much just make maps. As far as what they're issued, i have no earthy idea.

I myself am actually trying to be a 0261. So it would be smart of me to know a little more. But, from what I've tried to figure out, and from what people have told me, even a 0211 (counter intel Gunny), is that 0261 do nothing, and they just make maps. The school is currently closed right now, so, my lat move package is on hold. (which sucks!)

[Tovarish1]

0231 is Intelligence Specialist not CI. But thanks for the help.

[NRTrackChamp2004]

my fault, meant to put 0211 for that Gunny.

[Tovarish1]

Right because if you enlist as 02xx, you have to billets that they assign you to, 0231, or 0261. I don't really care about 0211 HUMINT. The reason I asked why they might carry rifles is because I wanna combat arms job, do something out in the field.

[CplB]

I say don't lat move into the 02 field. Let some of the people who enlisted in the MOS actually pick up rank instead of taking the spots.

[Tovarish1]

What's lat?

[CplB]

Switching jobs from your current one. Yes it's an MOS (0231) that is short handed and needs people, but what it needs are entry level, not NCO's. NR doesn't know anything, he's simply attracted to a bonus not the job. To say they "just make maps" is an understatement. If you think as an 0231 you wont be printing off and maintaing hundreds of maps you need to do some more research. Intel guys are issued the same shit as everyone else it's just different programs and equipment you may be working with that will differ between the two.

[Tovarish1]

Yeah it is an understatement. Don't they converse with the local population say in Iraq/Afghanistan? Conducting patrols? Do you know what kind of equipment they're issued?

[CplB]

Your thinking Counter-Intel which isn't restricted to SNCO's. It's not called "Counter-Intel Gunny". You don't enlist into Counter-Intel, you lat move. But they except most ranks now. Assuming you pass all the requirememnts, and representatives in the MOS give you the go-ahead.

[Tovarish1]

0231's do the same thing to (just not HUMINT) because 0231's take part in shootouts too I think. I don't know about 0261's though.

[CplB]

For wanting to be Intel you don't seem to be too bright. No one should WANT to shoot people, or get shot at. People from all MOS's get in engagements and people from all MOS's of all branches see casualties. Some are going to see more than others, but it's not just grunts that have been killed. If you want to do intel to shoot people than you're looking into the wrong line of work.

[Tovarish1]

It's not that I "wanna" shoot people. I just wanna run around in the field. I don't wanna sit at a Marine Corps. Station filling out paper work. Wouldn't you agree with my point? I wanna do something in the field. And Intel are not direct action troops so they're job ain't to attack. If I wanna shoot people I could go to ITB, then go to BRC, take the 0311 course and boom. I'm an infantryman. But I'm considering Intel (but only with BOTH billets do something out in the field armed.)

[CplB]

Don't do intel

[Tovarish1]

What's your MOS? Because I'm considering LOTS of them. Can't decide.

[CplB]

I'm an 0231

[Tovarish1]

So then you're intel lol. Hate your job or something? If you do I don't blame you since they choose your billet FOR you unless you go reserve.

[CplB]

What makes you think I hate it? I wouldn't trade this job for any other. I'm telling you to not do it because you will hate it. Everything you want in a job wont' be found in intel. You don't want to do paperwork and stare at endless amounts of information to find that needle in a haystack or stare at a computer screen for hours on end finding out what's going on where. You want a job that's clear cut, shoot here, shoot this not that, do this not that. This is the only job where you're tought to think for yourself from day one. Where people of all ranks care what your opinion is. This is something I enjoy doing for the time being until I get out. But it's not something you will, I didn't say don't do it because I hate it, don't do it because you'll hate it. And once you go 0231 there is only one lat move choice, and that's Counter-Intel.

And i'm not reserve, i'm active duty on my 2nd deployment for a year.

[Tovarish1]

What about the defensive language aptitude test? I know fluent Russian so is that gonna effect the way I do the job (if I happen to choose it)?

[Tovarish1]

Oh I think you misunderstood me. Yeah I never said YOU were reserve I was just saying in general the only way you can choose your own billet is if you go reserve.

[CplB]

No, you'll just get paid more.

[CplB]

I don't know you're background, for whatever reason you know fluent Russian may affect you getting a clearance. Might not, who knows.

[Tovarish1]

So which MOS would you think would suit me? lol I hate asking that.

[CplB]

Anything 03

[Tovarish1]

Ah... I knew you'd say that... There are a few I'd like within 03xx: 0311, 0331, 0351, and 0321. Now here's the thing... the reason why I'm worried about enlisting in 03xx is because there are 15 MOS's in the the 03xx field, there's a 3 outta 15 chance that I'll be assigned a billet as 0311, 0331, or 0351. I mean yeah I can always choose to go to BRC but I wanna know how to get more mentally prepared for something like BRC.

[CplB]

It's no different with intel, you'd enlist to the DD contract which covers several different MOS's and they choose one for you.

[Tovarish1]

-0311-Grunt
-0313-LAV Crewman
-0331-Machine Gunner
-0341-Mortarman
-0351-Infantry Assaultman

Those are the MOS's in 03xx that I can be assigned. The others you need to take a course to be assigned. In Intel, there are 2 billets, so you have a 50% better chance of getting the one you want, here there's a 20% chance of getting the one you want (of course I want a few of them, 0311, 0351, or 0331.) At least I think those are all the ones I can be assigned to without a course. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[CplB]

2 billets? Look again.

[Tovarish1]

Well yeah there are more than two but only two you can get assigned to because the others you have to have a higher rank than Pvt. 0231 and 0261 are the only ones you can get assigned to right off the bat. The others you need to get promoted to get.

[CplB]

Signals. Like I said.. look again.

[Tovarish1]

Oh. There's a whole list of pretty much every MOS field on this one site I usually use that as my source. If I enlist as 03xx and don't get the one I want, can I request to get reassigned or...? Am I screwed if I can't?

[CplB]

You can request whatever you want. Probably wont get you anywhere though.

[Tovarish1]

If I enlist as 03xx and dont' the MOS I wanted, can I request to be reassigned or...? Am I screwed if I can't?

[Tovarish1]

Oh yeah. Dream sheets.......useless pieces of crap. Crap I double posted... Well, the 03xx MOS's that I can be assigned are 0311, 0313, 0331, 0341, and 0351, I want 3 outta 5 of those so my chances are okay I'd say. 60% chance.

[Tovarish1]

Alright... I'll enlist as 03xx. Thanks for your help in making me realize my Corps. calling lol.

[NRTrackChamp2004]

Hey CplB, not too hip on you pretty much calling me dumb and all. But, I'll drop that. How about you give me some more insight on being Intel (since obviously I know nothing). Would appreciate it.

[Tovarish1]

Can't be as bad as someone calling you an ASVAB waiver.

[Former_Marine_23]

Well what exactly did you want to know about Intel LCpl?

[NRTrackChamp2004]

I'll take any and all knowledge you can give me. But, to be a bit more specific on it, I'd actually like to know more about 0261, they're general knowledge on what they learn/should know. And what a daily routine would consist of, being in the states, and deployed. I've heard Intel is pretty much deployed every 6 months, like 6 months in the states, 6 months deployed, so on and so forth.

[kenny10]

I say don't lat move into the 02 field. Let some of the people who enlisted in the MOS actually pick up rank instead of taking the spots.

I HATE most lat movers into the 0231 field, they know nothing and think they are the shit, until they get knocked down by a LCPL that knows is intel.
All Marines carry rifles while deployed and 0231's do go out with units

[CplB]

I HATE most lat movers into the 0231 field, they know nothing and think they are the shit, until they get knocked down by a LCPL that knows is intel.
All Marines carry rifles while deployed and 0231's do go out with units

Tell me about it, I have the luck of working with a really good lat mover now. But i've worked with some bad ones. When I was a lance I had a Sgt that wouldn't let me even show him anything. Fucking BS

[kenny10]

Tell me about it, I have the luck of working with a really good lat mover now. But i've worked with some bad ones. When I was a lance I had a Sgt that wouldn't let me even show him anything. Fucking BS

haha that happens all the time. Lat movers are NCO's that think they know everything and I want to smack the crap out of them. Most are dumb and just LAT moved for the damn money and promotion points. There is nothing more funny than a group of CPLs who have 2 or 3 deployments under their belts working for a boot ass Sgt that hasnt ever been deployed and continously tells them what to do and they pretty much ignore him, plus he has NO DAMN IDEA what he is doing. So funny
I worked with one good Lat mover and that is all.

[CplB]

haha that happens all the time. Lat movers are NCO's that think they know everything and I want to smack the crap out of them. Most are dumb and just LAT moved for the damn money and promotion points. There is nothing more funny than a group of CPLs who have 2 or 3 deployments under their belts working for a boot ass Sgt that hasnt ever been deployed and continously tells them what to do and they pretty much ignore him, plus he has NO DAMN IDEA what he is doing. So funny
I worked with one good Lat mover and that is all.

Sounds like the 2nd LT I have to work for

[Darkhorse_Gunny]

-0311-Grunt
-0313-LAV Crewman
-0331-Machine Gunner
-0341-Mortarman
-0351-Infantry Assaultman

Those are the MOS's in 03xx that I can be assigned. The others you need to take a course to be assigned. In Intel, there are 2 billets, so you have a 50% better chance of getting the one you want, here there's a 20% chance of getting the one you want (of course I want a few of them, 0311, 0351, or 0331.) At least I think those are all the ones I can be assigned to without a course. Correct me if I'm wrong.

All MOSs go to a school. All 03s go to ITB. School is the same length except for 13s, they go a little longer to learn their vehicle. 21s go to BRC only after they take an indoc. You have to be in beter shape than most. No guarantees. You want a guarantee? Join the Air Force.