One Cft And One Pft Per Year

[kenny10]

http://www.marines.mil/units/hqmc/Pages/TheCFTwillbescored,takenonceayear.aspx

This was just passed VIA email to me.

What does everyone think?

[CplB]

I always thought the PFT needed some fine tuning, I don't think the CFT was it, and I don't think that adding more and more things to the PFT system was a solution. They should have just stuck with one or the other but not both. But at least it's only once a year.

[kenny10]

Atleast its not two CFT's and PFT's a year. Now I can train for the PFT and train for the CFT all year long by hitting the weights

[Berry5711]

We just got word on this and apparently if you run the CFT before 20 August it will go towards your cutting score, if you don't run it before 20 August it won't hurt it. By 20 november it will hurt your score if you don't run it. If you are clost to Cpl/Sgt running it by 20 August could boost your score that little bit you need to get over the score. This is at least how I see it, anyone see any problems with my logic?

[glock]

Does it really matter how many times an order says you have to run a CFT or PFT? My command had us running a PFT what seemed like once a month. Sure, they don't all count, but if you run your max everytime you're good to go and have nothing to be concerned about.

[NRTrackChamp2004]

We just got word on this and apparently if you run the CFT before 20 August it will go towards your cutting score, if you don't run it before 20 August it won't hurt it. By 20 november it will hurt your score if you don't run it. If you are clost to Cpl/Sgt running it by 20 August could boost your score that little bit you need to get over the score. This is at least how I see it, anyone see any problems with my logic?
So, Marines that actually run it before 20 August, it gets computed into their composite score. Will that be for their Oct-Dec composite score? Because cutting score wont reflect the CFT until January's cutting scores come out. So, if so, then we're gonna have a shit load of Marines who have a high enough composite score that qualify for promotion Oct-Dec.

Can someone enlighten me with that? Or is it actually that Marines composite scores wont reflect the CFT score till January, likewise with the cutting score?

[bferny02]

I got a question.... How exactly will the CFT and PFT be calculated into your cutting score? Because it seems to me that if they both were calculated into your score every quarter, then everyones score will go up, which in turn the score to be promoted will go up. My idea was that it would be like this.... if you are required to run a CFT before the end of the 2009 calendar year, then your CFT will be calculated into your composite scores for the beginning quarters of calendar year 2010. Then you would be required to run a PFT before July 2010, so then your score on the PFT would be calculated into your cutting score for the last quarters of 2010. Does anyone know for sure how it will be done? Or does this make any sense?

[NRTrackChamp2004]

What you say makes sense.

Honestly, I think at this point, no one really knows for sure. But, I've been tasked by my OIC to find out. So, if I can find any definites, I'll be sure to post them.

[dodint]

So, if so, then we're gonna have a shit load of Marines who have a high enough composite score that qualify for promotion Oct-Dec.


The cutting score reflects the number of vacant slots in the rank above. Meaning, if there are 5 empty Corporal spaces then 5 Lance Corporals get promoted. They take the top five LCpls eligible for promotion. Meaning, the actual numerical score doesn't mean anything. It's a method of ranking Marines, not tied directly to the amount being promoted in a given month.

You can't 'accidentally' promote too many LCpls. At best you can underpromote if nonrecs aren't considered.

Try reading the MARADMIN and it will answer the rest of your questions. If you go and ask your OIC hopefully he'll tell you the same.

[NRTrackChamp2004]

Try reading the MARADMIN and it will answer the rest of your questions. If you go and ask your OIC hopefully he'll tell you the same.
I did read the MARADMIN, and my OIC read it to. I'm obviously not the only person confused about it. I went to the 3 shop, and everyone was asking about it.

Regardless, as it reads, PFT and CTF are ran once, semi-annual. PFT is ran Jan-Jun. CFT ran Jul-Dec. As far as your composite score, it changes every half year. First half of the year, your GMP for composite score will reflect only your CFT. Come the second half of the year (Jul-Dec), your PFT score will reflect on your GMP.

As far as the dates...... If Marines have already ran a CFT for score before 20 August, they do NOT have to run another CFT. Everyone else has until 20 November to run a CFT, so that score can reflect the first half of CY2010.

Make sense to everyone?

[Berry5711]

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Regardless, as it reads, PFT and CTF are ran once, semi-annual. PFT is ran Jan-Jun. CFT ran Jul-Dec. As far as your composite score, it changes every half year. First half of the year, your GMP for composite score will reflect only your CFT. Come the second half of the year (Jul-Dec), your PFT score will reflect on your GMP.
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That is the same word I got from my Gunny. Jan-Jun PFT will count on your score, Jul-Dec CFT will count on your score. So no PFT for the 2nd half of this year.

If you run your CFT by 20 Aug it will count on your score for next quarter, but all Marines must have a CFT run by 20 Nov or have a 0 for their score.

[skillzthatkill85]

The one thing I like about the CFT is the ranking system. Having the first-class start at 270 means that the CFT is not viewed as "just another bullsh*t test." Comparing it to the PFT, obtaining a first-class will actually mean something more.

As it stands with my own experiences, a first-class PFT is a unwritten requirement. Anything less is viewed as unacceptable by the chain of command come FitRep/Pros & Cons time. I've been on both sides of the fence: As a junior Marine that can run my ass off but couldn't do a pullup to save my life, and as a NCO pushing my own Marines to get that 225+.

I wonder what would happen if they raised the first-class PFT standard to 270 as well...

[mbsmith91]

Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! - Bluto ----------------------------- So now we find out the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor not the Japanese?! I've heard of revisionist history but this is over the top. :nono