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CommunityEditor
08-25-2009, 07:29 PM
If you want to pass your PT test next year, you’d better turn on the juice.

New scoring sheets show faster run times and more push-ups and sit-ups. The one bit of good news: You won’t have to suck in your gut — the 32-inch waist is history.

The weighted point system is the finishing touch to the service’s facelift of its fitness program, scheduled to take effect in January.

Air Force Times on Aug. 13 obtained a draft of the scoring sheets, one that service leaders are using to update the Air Force Instruction. The release date for the rules manual is in September.

The Air Force released the sheets Aug. 21 on its personnel center Web site.

“These [scores] are based on current scientifically published data and are a historical first,” Capt. Christina Hoggatt wrote in an e-mail to Air Force Times on Aug. 20.

Former Chief Master Sgt. of the Air Force Rodney McKinley and other service leaders worked on the new program for more than a year after recognizing the “fit to fight” program, started in 2004, didn’t deter cheating or keep airmen from falling out of shape after taking their test.

The service used databases employed by the Cooper Institute, a physical fitness organization, and recognized by the American College of Sports Medicine in developing the test, Hoggatt wrote.

When the officials rolled out the new PT test in June, they warned airmen that scoring would be tougher — and it is, matching the other changes:

* You’ll have to take the PT test twice a year at a centralized location, “a fitness assessment cell,” and your scores will be recorded by a civilian fitness expert — not another airman — so there’s no chance of cheating.

* Age groups for scoring will be in increments of 10 years instead of five. The new categories: younger than 30, 30-39, 40-49, 50-59, and 60 and older.

“This is simpler, more direct and more efficient,” Hoggatt wrote.

* Components of the test, though, stay the same: one minute of push-ups, one minute of sit-ups, a 1.5-mile run and “abdominal circumference.”

* The maximum waist measurement is increasing from 32.5 inches to 35 inches for men and from 29 inches to 31.5 inches for women, though height and age still won’t be taken into account.

* The point totals for each activity: sit-ups and push-ups stay at 10 each, the run increases from 50 to 60, and the waist measurement goes from 30 to 20. The increments to earn points also have changed. For example, the old test required an airman to shave 45 seconds off his run to improve his score. The increment is now 15 seconds.

“We adjusted the scales so they have some more sense to them,” Maj. Gen. Darrell D. Jones, who helped oversee the changes, said at the time the new test was released.

Officials laid out the new increments to encourage airmen to improve their scores.

A perfect score is 100 points — the same as it is now. To pass, you still must earn at least 75 points, but next year you also will have to get a minimum score for each component. The days of making up for a poor push-up score with a fast run time are over.

For a woman in the 40-49 age category to pass, for example, she must do 11 push-ups, 24 sit-ups, finish the run in 18:14 and have a waist no bigger than 35.5 inches. A perfect score for her: 38 or more push-ups, 41 or more sit-ups, a run of 11:22 or under, and a waist no bigger than 29 inches.

At the time of the rollout, Jones explained the service decided not to factor age and height into the waist measurement because medical reports show they shouldn’t play a part in it.

“Height isn’t going to come into it because it’s about the visceral fat that surrounds the abdomen,” McKinley told Air Force Times earlier this summer.

Officials chose to keep the waist measurement because it predicts future health problems, said Jones, director of force management policy.

The new scoring sheets will help airmen make that connection. Risk levels — low, moderate or high — are attached to each run time and waist size as a predictor to “cardiovascular disease, diabetes, certain cancers and other health problems.”

Airmen, though, shouldn’t get comfortable being at the moderate level because they are still at increased risk of “creeping health problems,” Hoggatt wrote.

“Movement from high to moderate or moderate to low health risk signifies an improvement in fitness and a reduction in health risk with a corresponding important reduction in health care cost,” she wrote.


Article: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2009/08/airforce_pt_test_082409w/
Scoring Sheet for Men: http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/airforce_ptscoring_men.pdf
Scoring Sheet for Women: http://www.militarytimes.com/static/projects/pages/airforce_ptscoring_women.pdf

CrankyNCO
08-26-2009, 01:39 PM
I think the new standards are greatly going to affect the TSgt-MSgt ranks. Going from the 35-39 age group to now being in the 30-39 age group is absolutely ridiculous. The Air Force is going to lose a lot of experienced NCO's and it's going to leave these quick burners in charge. (Even though most of them are incapable of making a good quick decision) Commanders are going to have to do a better job of ensuring their people are getting the time they are mandated to get.

Curious
08-26-2009, 05:23 PM
I wonder if BMI will still be factored into the test. I personally hope they don't include BMI. I think it is an outdated measurement.

Equality 7-2521
08-26-2009, 07:16 PM
RE: "....the service decided not to factor age and height into the waist measurement because medical reports show they shouldn’t play a part in it."
I'd like to know which 'medical reports'? "Shouldn't" sounds a bit fishy mainly because height, age, and bone structure (you know, genetics) most definitely play a part in a person's waist measurement. It's a 'one size fits all' in a non-black and white world that has become the fallacy surrounding standardized testing.

NellisAirman
08-27-2009, 02:20 AM
Well for BMI, ikf there were money and resources for it, the water displacement dunk tank is by far better than waist measurmen tthats where the health peice is most accurate, but tape measures are cheaper. As for the run, and waistline, clearly adjusments have been made to scale the heavier folks in order to downplay past the massive failures. because lets face it a majority of the old waist fairness complaints are only legitimized by those who have the natural larger frame which represents the minority. Ask most everyone else, and they may admit they could try alittle harder and do better, but simply choose not to, including those in shape Meanwhile although faster run times have been implaced it really only impacts those runners who were breaking 9:36 again the minority, everyone is rewarded with higher points for going just as slow. Its true just another facelift to a busted program to make failing numbers look good. Admittingly the hardest and yet best thing the service ought to do is challenge Airmen to simply run farther , have lower body fat percentages (scale for age metobolism if u like), break the 90 degree plane on a push up (for real), and stop doing crunches and go all the way up for your 'sit-up'

Testing Integrity
08-27-2009, 09:29 AM
Common sense plays no factor in this fitness testing program. Back in 95, we did the bike test to check our heart rate because that was supposed to determine if we had a health risk. In 03, it was the step test, to check the same thing, just a cheaper method. Now, we are going to say, "You are fit to fight" because you can run in this time and do push ups and sit ups, twice a year. Here's some common sense, go back to the height/weight standard. Add to that mandatory health assessments from your physician with the every 5 year RCPHA from the Med Group on base. This will encourage folks to stay healthy and it will allow each individual to keep their health in check like the dental check ups that are mandatory yearly. The active duty is a different environment than the Guard and Reserve. One weekend a month and two weeks a year, telling our Airman "run, run, run" the minute they get to drill weekend is the Army way. I thought we were blue. What the AF does is more mental in the way of tasks. What the rest of the service does is more physical or muscle. Sure, there are some AFSCs that require being physically in shape to do that job but not all. The AF has always had in place programs custom tailored to those AFSCs. Most, you have to test to even get in to. Why are we encouraging our members to pass a fitness test tailored to civilian contracting? All the AF is doing is saying, "We don't trust our members nor their integrity." How sad. The life long lasting effects of physical fitness come from each individual keeping themselves in check. If you aren't taking care of yourself, your height/weight test will show it. So will mandatory checks by your physician. Put the common sense back into fitness instead of private contractor philosophy that won't get the military anywhere but losing money, again, to government scams. If the AF is going to mandate a program like this, it should be a part of qualifying for the AF to begin with. All airmen still can join the AF if they meet the height/weight standard but to stay in, you have to fulfill a "contracting assessment".

Equality 7-2521
08-27-2009, 11:48 AM
Why don't we just hook up our computers to a treadmill. If you aren't moving, the computer won't work.
Kind of like a hamster on a wheel, but at least fitness would be a factor in doing your job.

But seriously, the current test was broken because of bad data. The new test will eventually show up as bad data.
It is the nature of science. Everyone thinks they have the right answer...until the next new fad comes along.
Is anyone using Scientific Method on these? Where is the 'test the hypothesis' portion? I think it stopped somewhere in the 'political' process that has been inserted into the new military. You know, the one that says defense dollars can be better spent by giving it to contractors than to the actual military.

CrustySMSgt
08-27-2009, 12:01 PM
I think the new standards are greatly going to affect the TSgt-MSgt ranks. Going from the 35-39 age group to now being in the 30-39 age group is absolutely ridiculous. The Air Force is going to lose a lot of experienced NCO's and it's going to leave these quick burners in charge. (Even though most of them are incapable of making a good quick decision) Commanders are going to have to do a better job of ensuring their people are getting the time they are mandated to get.

You only got a slight break from 34-35... not like it made that big of a difference. I think we'll be just fine.

And there is no longer mandated time.


Ask most everyone else, and they may admit they could try alittle harder and do better, but simply choose not to, including those in shape

yup


All airmen still can join the AF if they meet the height/weight standard but to stay in, you have to fulfill a "contracting assessment".

huh?

AFRESERVIST
08-27-2009, 03:07 PM
I think it will kind of be a good thing with the new standards but how will it effect the Reservists with the PT will it be the same for them?

CMSBROWN
08-27-2009, 05:01 PM
I think it will kind of be a good thing with the new standards but how will it effect the Reservists with the PT will it be the same for them?

Reservists will test once a year. However, it is up to the discretion of the wing cc to extend the testing to twice a year. My wing cc said if you are on orders 180+ you test twice a year for example.

SSgt Swanson
08-29-2009, 01:18 PM
Air Force PT is ridiculous. The vast majority of the Air Force will never have to run 1.5 miles in combat it will be a sprint to cover, and theres a reason the other services don't have a waist mesurement on there score charts. Not taking height into consideration makes no sense. If your going to do measurements do height, neck, shoulters, and waist. I would be willing to bet the some of the world class athletes in the NBA who stand around 7 foot tall might have a 40 inch waist. Good thing shaq didnt join the AF guess he would be getting kicked out for being out of shape. If I go down in combat I'd much rather be next to the solid 200lb guy who is considered to be in poor shape by this test than by the boney 145 lb guy who just aced his test. If its fit to fight wheres the strength test why are we not proving were strong enough to help a fallen airmen to saftey. Im sure 99% of the Air Force is with me on this, yes we need fittness standards but this scoring system does not prove if were fit to fight. If you get a perfect score it proves your have a skinny waist and can run 1.5 miles at a pace that you will never use in the combat zone.

For the Flight Line guys
08-29-2009, 01:35 PM
The AF says you will have PT as part of your regular duty day, dont know how it works in the heavy world, but all of us on the fighter side know the only way that works is if you duty day is a 12+ hour shift. Once this new PT goes into affect comanders might want to think about having an ops tempo that will work around allowing maintainers to PT before there are not any left to fix the jets.