Gotta love the Army's logic

[Mugg21B]

I re-enlisted in late June, for another 6 years in the Army Reserves. I had a flag on me for PT failure, but I passed my PT test and had the flag lifted. However, my 6 years was scheduled to be up on 9/8, and I would get my re-enlistment bonus on 9/9.

Checking mypay a few days prior, I see nothing happening to my account. I call my UA, and he looks into the issue. He calls me back to tell me that finance still had me flagged, even though I re-enlisted. When he (my UA) asked them why they didn't mention this to anyone, they said it wasn't there job. :mad:

Anyway, now it's going to be another 45 days till I get my re-enlistment bonus, but I just wanted to rant about the incompetence of the military pay system. If you ever owe them money, they will take it out of your paycheck before you even get paid (and often they'll take out more than what you owe, just on general principle), but if they owe you money, it's at least a month wait. Makes me wonder if I ought to even go to drill this month, since they've failed to live up to their end of my re-enlistment contract (I'm going, but it's something I've thought about).

To anyone in military finance, in the immortal words of Ron Bergundy, "Go f*** yourself San Diego". :rolleyes:

[hawk71049]

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I re-enlisted in late June, for another 6 years in the Army Reserves. I had a flag on me for PT failure, but I passed my PT test and had the flag lifted. However, my 6 years was scheduled to be up on 9/8, and I would get my re-enlistment bonus on 9/9.

Checking mypay a few days prior, I see nothing happening to my account. I call my UA, and he looks into the issue. He calls me back to tell me that finance still had me flagged, even though I re-enlisted. When he (my UA) asked them why they didn't mention this to anyone, they said it wasn't there job. :mad:
Well, it’s not their job; it is your unit’s job to report the information, including your re-enlistment and correctly and promptly, and to the right authority.


Anyway, now it's going to be another 45 days till I get my re-enlistment bonus, but I just wanted to rant about the incompetence of the military pay system.
I’m calling the BS flag on this one! Look, GI Joe, had you not failed the PT you would not be in this mess to begin with, and your unit did not report that data properly, or there was a holding period (due to your failure of the PT test) prior to you getting your re-enlistment bonus.


If you ever owe them money, they will take it out of your paycheck before you even get paid Again, calling the Bull Shit Card. If you owe more than 1/3 of your base pay (and that could have changed) you go through your unit and set up what is called a letter of indebtness, and you work out monthly installments.



(and often they'll take out more than what you owe, just on general principle),
You’re funny, but, now that you are on a roll here, if it were me (knowing your attitude) I would send you unit a letter, along with your next pay check, until you properly responded, to any all pay enquiries, or indebt nesses.


but if they owe you money, it's at least a month wait.
You need to have a serious talk to a brick wall somewhere; I suggest you start with your unit.



Makes me wonder if I ought to even go to drill this month,
Personally, I think you should stay home too, and then you can have another pay problem, and blame finance.



since they've failed to live up to their end of my re-enlistment contract
Think you should read you enlistment contract real close, especially the being in debit part…



(I'm going, but it's something I've thought about)
Oh, thank God, what would we do without you, GI Joe…


To anyone in military finance, in the immortal words of Ron Bergundy, "Go f*** yourself San Diego". :rolleyes:


Yeah, and that’s not all he said

after jumping into the grizzly bear pit at the San Diego Zoo
he also said, especially for you…

this is your doctor. I have your pregnancy report here, and guess what. You got knocked up.

Also in the immortal words of Ron Bergundy… You're so wise. You're like a miniature Buddha, covered in hair.


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[ramrod]

I re-enlisted in late June, for another 6 years in the Army Reserves. I had a flag on me for PT failure, but I passed my PT test and had the flag lifted. However, my 6 years was scheduled to be up on 9/8, and I would get my re-enlistment bonus on 9/9.

Checking mypay a few days prior, I see nothing happening to my account. I call my UA, and he looks into the issue. He calls me back to tell me that finance still had me flagged, even though I re-enlisted. When he (my UA) asked them why they didn't mention this to anyone, they said it wasn't there job. :mad:

Anyway, now it's going to be another 45 days till I get my re-enlistment bonus, but I just wanted to rant about the incompetence of the military pay system. If you ever owe them money, they will take it out of your paycheck before you even get paid (and often they'll take out more than what you owe, just on general principle), but if they owe you money, it's at least a month wait. Makes me wonder if I ought to even go to drill this month, since they've failed to live up to their end of my re-enlistment contract (I'm going, but it's something I've thought about).

To anyone in military finance, in the immortal words of Ron Bergundy, "Go f*** yourself San Diego". :rolleyes:

Just think....if you were never flagged...none of this would have happened:eek:

[Mugg21B]

Since this will obviously go nowhere fast, let me just condense this to a few points.


I’m calling the BS flag on this one! Look, GI Joe, had you not failed the PT you would not be in this mess to begin with, and your unit did not report that data properly, or there was a holding period (due to your failure of the PT test) prior to you getting your re-enlistment bonus.

Look CPT America, no one's perfect. I did what I was supposed to. I passed my PT test, why should I be punished twice?



You’re funny, but, now that you are on a roll here, if it were me (knowing your attitude) I would send you unit a letter, along with your next pay check, until you properly responded, to any all pay enquiries, or indebt nesses.

Evidently I've hit a nerve with you. And yet, you can't respond to my assertion that the Army is better at taking money away than it is giving the money it is lawfully required to. Ah, wait, I see you're a marine. So I guess you're of the opinion the Corps can do no wrong, and everything that goes wrong is some lower-enlisted Marines fault?


You need to have a serious talk to a brick wall somewhere; I suggest you start with your unit.

I'm conversing with one right now.

Look - this was supposed to be a lighthearted bs about the Army, but instead, I got a butthurt marine telling me the military never screws up, it's all my fault, and that senior leaders/paperwork pushers have no responsibility to do their job right.

Good talk. :rolleyes:

[hawk71049]

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Since this will obviously go nowhere fast, let me just condense this to a few points.
Let me just make one point real quick!
I find it amazing that you re-enlisted in late June for 6 years, with an EAS of 9-8-09, then you say you check your pay a few days prior. It’s like wtf over, did the lights just go off or something, for Christ sake you had 3 freaking month to verify all was well with the reenlistment, why didn’t you or your unit administrator follow up?


Look CPT America, no one's perfect. I did what I was supposed to. I passed my PT test, why should I be punished twice?
You call it punishment; I call it being really freaking stupid. Now, you blame finance. lol


Evidently I've hit a nerve with you.
Yeah, I guess you could say that- after reading your closing remark.


And yet, you can't respond to my assertion that the Army is better at taking money away than it is giving the money it is lawfully required to.

I don’t feel I need to respond, since the chief of the Army Reserve, has already made it fairly clear.


Part of the overpayment issue is unit administrators - who work as federal civilians during the week and as reserve-component personnel on drill weekends - getting activated to do their military job, instead of unit administration. Unit administrators are the ones who input weekend drill information in the finance system and inform their servicing finance when personnel actions impact a Soldier's pay.

In the meantime, both the chief of the Army Reserve and the director of the Army National Guard have recently sent messages to commanders telling them to closely monitor the monthly commander's pay management report to catch overpayments early.

Look, I’m not in the Army, nor have I ever been, but, here is a another quote from the chief of the Army Reserve, and yes, we in the Marines had the same issues. Read very closely, with attention on the bold.

"Soldiers and their families have a right to be paid timely and accurately. We have an obligation to ensure they are getting the entitlements Congress said they are due."
GAO Reserve pay report is mainly an issue of personnel actions not making it into the finance system in a timely manner


Ah, wait, I see you're a marine. So I guess you're of the opinion the Corps can do no wrong, and everything that goes wrong is some lower-enlisted Marines fault?
Yeah, I have read about that chip on your shoulder, in some of your posts, don’t like it, tuff, square yourself away young man, and talk to your unit administrator, you will get absolutely no where with that chip. By the way, to you buddy, it’s Marine! Yes, I served both in boots and at the desk, in finance for the last of my enlistment.


I'm conversing with one right now.
Good try, diversion will not take care of your problem. Get with your UA or your commander, for starters, if you can’t get resolution, then-

Soldiers experiencing pay problems should first use normal command and finance channels to resolve them and use the appropriate toll-free number only if the normal process is not getting problems fixed,
The Reserve number is (877) 462-7782


Look - this was supposed to be a lighthearted bs about the Army,
Lighthearted! lmao
Re-read your post, Failed PT test, then passed it, account was flagged, flag not removed! UA called finance won’t get re-enlistment bonus for 45 days. It’s a freaking reporting problem, talk to your unit administrator, oh wait, you did, and he says finance told him it’s 'not there problem'…lmao What did you expect him to say...lol Surely, even you can read between the lines. Well, guess what, your UA failed in doing his job. Probably others as well, include yourself in this mess, and get of the Army’s ass about it, and grow up!


but instead, I got a butthurt marine telling me the military never screws up, it's all my fault, and that senior leaders/paperwork pushers have no responsibility to do their job right.

Look, you seem to be a somewhat intelligent, yet, you use that term “the military never screws up” well, guess what your right, you’re in the military, along with your UA, and yes, you two and possibly others have screwed up, now you’re on the receiving end of it. It’s called reporting the events as they happen, and follow up. You know the old saying sh!t in sh!t out, finance depends on- timely… accurate… REPORTING.

You know, you can blame anyone or everyone you so desire till the cows come home, it will not solve your issue. Sounds to me like the issue still remains, so, let me ask you- has the correct data from your UA been forwarded to the appropriate authority, have they received the data? Can finance pay you your dues in 45 days? Follow up Soldier and do it in writing, if it’s not written, it’s never happened. Get your UA on this and ask for documentation and not just a phone call, ask him in writing too.


Good talk. :rolleyes:
See, that’s part of the problem here, it’s all talk, you have got to document all of this.
It’s called the 7 P’s.
Proper prior planning prevents piss poor performance.

Good Luck!

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[sergeant wife indiana]

i'll be on his side since my husband was supposed to get his bonus in july was the understanding and it's still not there. you can go to the proper authority to check on it as we have and really not be told much. all we get told is "it's coming, should be there anyday" you never know if they're even handling it. and he has no flags, just no bonus they agreed to.

[ramrod]

i'll be on his side since my husband was supposed to get his bonus in july was the understanding and it's still not there. you can go to the proper authority to check on it as we have and really not be told much. all we get told is "it's coming, should be there anyday" you never know if they're even handling it. and he has no flags, just no bonus they agreed to.

You didn't say but I will assume he went to finance to find out what is the problem. Has he gone to his 1SG/CSM for help with this issue?

[Variable Wind]

Hawk...Finance "loses" documentation ALL the time. I never had to deal with the federales that much, but on the state level, I had a similar issue with getting my tuition and G.I. Bill, when calling finance they said "Oh we dont have a copy of your diploma." WTF why am I in the military if you do not have a copy of my diploma or GED? So I go get it...next month, "Oh we have no birth certificate to verify your SSN"...grrrr....okay drive back down and deliver it to them. Next month, I get paid. Wheres my back pay? Guess what, they forgot that they owed me for 3 months...even though I was calling them every week.

[sergeant wife indiana]

You didn't say but I will assume he went to finance to find out what is the problem. Has he gone to his 1SG/CSM for help with this issue?


thanks for the reply, as i look on mypay today it is set to come october 1st finally. been waiting for 9 weeks now. yes he would go to command and all they would say was "it's been put int, it's processing, should be there anyday" now if you could help with my issue i want to know how he thinks he can collect both guard pay and VA disability compensation. i understood if you collect both you have to pay one back, he thinks he gets both. the VA benefits clearly told me no and since he's been getting both all year he has to pay one back and if he would get that re-enlistment bonus under VA comensation he would have to turn the whole bonus over since his VA comp. hasn't been waived yet.thanks oh and yes the bonus was taxed 23% for those that don't think taxing bonuses is fair, no it isn't.

[Stuntman]

As I always used to say, the one job in the military (any branch) that you can totally f-up and not get into trouble is finance. In finance, when a person makes a mistake, it's always someone else that gets in trouble.