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CommunityEditor
10-19-2009, 06:06 PM
The job of recruiters could get tougher as a result of a provision in the compromise 2010 defense policy bill that bars enlistment of anyone who has been an active participant in an extremist group.

This would include any groups advocating discrimination based on race, sex, creed, religion or national origin, especially if the group advocates to the use of violence — something recruiters will have to screen for if the bill becomes law.

Participation in such groups already is prohibited for current service members by regulation, but the compromise defense bill, HR 2647, also puts the prohibition into law.

The House of Representatives gave final approval to the bill two weeks ago and the Senate is expected to take the bill up in the next few weeks.

The rules will take effect 180 days after the bill is signed into law.

The restriction could be been even tougher. As initially passed by the House of Representatives earlier this year, the provision of the defense bill would have prohibited recruitment or retention of anyone associated with an extremist group, whether or not they were an active participant.

The House-passed plan called for the immediate discharge of anyone associated with a hate group. For current service members, the House plan had an exception from immediate discharge if a person had previously renounced their membership in a hate group. No exceptions were allowed for recruits who had been associated with hate groups, so even if they had renounced their membership they would have been barred from enlisting.

Additionally, there were concerns that the earlier proposal would have extended beyond extremists and supremacist groups — the chief target — to include criminal gangs involved in drug trafficking, the illegal sale of weapons and smuggling, according to a Congressional Research Service analysis.

As evidence of association with a hate group, the earlier House proposal would have accepted tattoos, e-mail or posting online, written material or attendance at meetings. Those evidence rules are dropped from the final bill, leaving it up to the Defense Department to decide how it will determine association with a group and how it will decide what constitutes “active participation.”

Generally, Defense Department policies have determined that active participation in an extremist group is any involvement that furthers the group’s aims, which could be leadership, organizing, fundraising or attending public meetings or demonstrations, even when off-duty.

The Defense Department rules apply to active and reserve forces.

Article: http://www.militarytimes.com/news/2009/10/military_hate_groups_enlistment_ban_101909w/

DarkHeart
10-19-2009, 07:52 PM
Good. I might just be an uber pessimist but the tone of the article made this legislation sound like a bad thing.

MHOWARD
10-20-2009, 03:48 AM
The hate crime bill for the DOD is not needed. We already have too many "feel good" laws these days. We have regulations and the UCMJ. Why add more fluff? Also this bill targets only one group. What about the Gangs? Or would this be veiwed as racist or profiling since some gangs tend to be inclusive or indicative of some minority groups, which when totaled as a whole are a majority.

I also feel that these laws instituionally target whites. Lets just use existing laws to punish people who behave badly or commit crimes against others. I simply think these type of bills are hard for politions to say No to out of fear of being mislabled and serve as a vehicle to deliver retribution to whites of today and the future for the past crimes and trangressions of what some whites did early in US history. Remember that racism is a two way street.

TJMAC77SP
10-20-2009, 09:18 AM
What one group is the law targeting?

I will admit that I will be very interested to read the list of proscribed hate groups.

TJMAC77SP
10-20-2009, 09:31 AM
Good. I might just be an uber pessimist but the tone of the article made this legislation sound like a bad thing.

No, but I am interested in seeing the list of hate groups banned. What I took away from the article is that it isn't needed. The military already has regulations in place to keep members of hate groups out.

garhkal
10-21-2009, 11:42 AM
Agreed. I want to see a list of all the groups they consider hate/ Also since they say attended a meeting, what if the person went as a 'escort' for a GF'/BF/friend and actually did not participate? Would that cancel them out from joining? And i would like to know if they will estend this to gangs as well.

Unregistered Dunnyveg
10-21-2009, 07:44 PM
As a Navy veteran I find this law to be more than a bit ominous. How exactly do they define a "hate group"? In the past organizations as diverse as the Republican Party and the National Rifle Association have been classified as hate groups. Will the military follow suit?

And what is meant by "association" with hate groups? Would reading essays by David Duke or Jared Taylor count as "association" for the purposes of the military? Where would the line be drawn?

As several previous posters have noted, how about non-whites? If NAACP or La Raza (The Race) platforms had the word black or Hispanic replaced with white, they would unequivocally be defined as hateful. Is the military prepared to perpetuate this double standard against whites? One of the arguments blacks used to end discrimination was that they were discriminated against by an organization they were prepared to give their life to. Shouldn't whites feel the same way?

I also find it very upsetting that truly criminal enterprises, such as street gangs and other forms of organized crime are no barrier to entry. So, if you shook David Duke's hand at a rally fifteen years ago you're ineligible, but being a member of the mafia would be no problem.

This is politically correct nonsense that will be the end of our once-great armed forces.

No No You Can't
10-22-2009, 12:04 PM
Define "hate group." To many liberal politicians this includes Boy Scouts who "discriminate" against homosexuals but not muslims who are anti-semitic and anti-Christian by definition but are protected religious minorities. It's a stupid, feel-good law.
My experience in the military is that radical haters are weeded out early while moderate or fringe haters learn to get along with minorities and other groups they normally would not have associated with. The military is more self-policing than liberals can comprehend.
We don't need this law.
We do need a law to protect patriotic veterans from liberal extemists who question the patriotism of conservatives and "disgruntled" vets.

garhkal
10-22-2009, 12:10 PM
Agreed. La' raza from what i have seen is as bad if not worse than groups like the KKK..

Variable Wind
10-22-2009, 12:13 PM
Great, that means now Al Sharpton will be petitioning to have all conservatives kicked out of the military.