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CommunityEditor
12-07-2009, 06:28 PM
Only one of 17 two-man sniper teams will be able to claim first place at the end of a week-long sniper competition at Fort Bragg, N.C., the first of its kind to be held by the U.S. Army Special Operations Command.

The meet begins Monday and is exclusively for soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines assigned to special operations units. This year’s competitors are all soldiers, but officials at Range 37, where the competition will take place, hope to attract special ops troops from all the services by the time next year’s competition rolls around.

“We’re looking at a small, overutilized community and getting everybody together who’s not in the box or somewhere else is almost impossible,” said Chief Warrant Officer 4 Bill Gunter, who manages the Special Operations Sniper course at the John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School.

The standard of excellence, he noted, has always been winning the Army or Marine Corps competitions. Special operations troops have always competed in those events, but now will be able to compete among themselves for top billing.

But winning any of the competitions for special ops troops, he said, is not easy because of their operational tempo, leaving them less time to train than soldiers in the regular Army.

“Even a trained sniper to compete at this level needs months of practice. You have to show up at this competition at the top of your game,” Gunter said.

The Army Sniper School’s 9th annual Sniper Competition at Fort Benning, Ga., attracted 31 two-man teams for its October event, including several from Special Forces. Organizers at the Special Warfare School and Center are encouraged with the relatively strong turnout for their first event.

The sniper teams will be tested on their craft and their teamwork with a mix of day and night events that include stalking, counter sniper, loophole and cold bore shots, plus closing the distance with multiple target engagements and moving through scramblers in an urban setting, negotiating numerous tactical challenges.

In the event of a tie, the remaining sniper teams will fire 10 rounds from the 900-meter line in five minutes, with the shooter and spotter rotating and repeating. The highest score takes first place.

The events and more than $60,000 in prizes will be sponsored by top weapons and gear manufacturers, and the winners will be announced at a banquet Dec. 11.

The teams competing in this year’s meet are from the following units:

• 1st Special Forces Group, Fort Lewis, Wash. — two teams

• 3rd Special Forces Group, Fort Bragg — six teams

• 7th Special Forces Group, Fort Bragg — three teams

• 10th Special Forces Group, Fort Carson, Colo. — one team

• 19th Special Forces Group, Draper, Utah — one team

• 20th Special Forces Group, Birmingham, Ala. — two teams

• Special Operations Task Force — one team

• 75th Ranger Regiment — one team


Article: http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/12/army_sniper_usasoc_120609/

SailorDave
12-07-2009, 06:41 PM
[I]But winning any of the competitions for special ops troops, he said, is not easy because of their operational tempo, leaving them less time to train than soldiers in the regular Army.


The operational team's training ground is in theater. No silhouettes needed.

MCGYVER
12-08-2009, 08:55 AM
You know that the reason they only opened the competition to SOC and not regular Infantry units is that they didn't want to be embarassed don't you? I would put a bunch of money on that happening.

MSMUROTC
12-12-2009, 10:33 AM
huh? SF/SOC always goes to the sniper competitions ...

http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/10/23/29234-marines-take-the-title-at-the-us-army-sniper-competition/

MCGYVER
12-12-2009, 10:20 PM
They needed to host their own "special" competition just for the "elite" shooters for what reason? Oh, because in the "open" competition they are lucky if they place 3rd in any category. I get it.

SailorDave
12-12-2009, 10:24 PM
If I'm reading it correctly, the story says that a Special Ops group took second in both Open and Service Class competitions, along with also taking third in the Open class. That's not too shaby.

MSMUROTC
12-13-2009, 09:27 AM
Do you go run around and bust up kids intramural kickball games too?

"The standard of excellence, he noted, has always been winning the Army or Marine Corps competitions. Special operations troops have always competed in those events, but now will be able to compete among themselves for top billing."

They're not saying they're the best, they just want to run their own competition. What's so wrong with that? Jeez.

MCGYVER
12-13-2009, 10:45 AM
If I'm reading it correctly, the story says that a Special Ops group took second in both Open and Service Class competitions, along with also taking third in the Open class. That's not too shaby.

Those were special warfare "training" groups. If you read the first post they are not on the list of the invitees at the "special" sniper competition. If those that "train" the experts couldn't outgun their students it would be quite the slap in the face don't you think?

MCGYVER
12-13-2009, 10:54 AM
Do you go run around and bust up kids intramural kickball games too?

"The standard of excellence, he noted, has always been winning the Army or Marine Corps competitions. Special operations troops have always competed in those events, but now will be able to compete among themselves for top billing."

They're not saying they're the best, they just want to run their own competition. What's so wrong with that? Jeez.

They are not "saying" they are the best, they are inferring it. If they were truly the best at it there would be no need to run their own competition. It's akin to having a best Ranger competition and then when your team from Fort Lewis repeateedly fails you start your own "best ranger in the Northwest" competion. If some little kids were playing in the county kickball competition but continuously losing so decide to have the "best on the block" competition so that they could be winners would you think that would be totally cool? You are probably one of those people that think that no matter the result of a competition everyone should get a trophy or medal, huh?

MSMUROTC
12-13-2009, 12:46 PM
You're getting this worked up over your inference about someone's attitude based on zero evidence because they're running a competition for themselves?

That's like saying there shouldn't be an Army and a Marine sniper competition, because whoever started the second one was obviously blah blah blah blah.

If some little kids were having a kickball competition I wouldn't give a shit. Just like I don't care if some people want to get together and have a sniper competition and only invite SOF. They're not saying they're better, you're inferring that. "You are probably one of those people that" isn't RGR or SOF and tears down those who are at every opportunity because you feel inadequate. That's what I "infer" about you.

MCGYVER
12-13-2009, 03:04 PM
You can infer or assume whatever you like. I'm not worked up at all. I merely stated my opinion about something and you obviously don't think I'm entitled to my opinion. I think it's pretty obvious who feels inadequate here. It has nothing at all to do with how "I" feel, it's about what's right and wrong. Go massage some feelings or something.

chucksnee
12-14-2009, 11:10 AM
Who really cares....

The Army has been this way for years...I don't like it so I'm going to change it the way I like it...

Why do you think we have all these EXTRA medals running around.....

Someone said...why can't I have CIB.....so we now have the CAB....

Someone bitched about not having crewmember wings as a fucking sheet metal mechanic....guess what they now have crewmember wings....same with ATC, they wear crewmmemebr wings....

Why do you think you wear the beret....

MCGYVER
12-14-2009, 03:58 PM
I actually agree with the above statement. The reason I wear the beret is because some four star general wanted to "leave his mark" on the military and the "good idea fairy" got ahold of him. Now we have some gay headgear that is not practical except for maybe at an art festival.

smarg
12-14-2009, 05:13 PM
Good training to kill as many splodeydopes as possible.:D