I need serious help....PLEASE!!

[MilehighMP]

I was just informed about 4 months ago about Campaign stars and there promotion points. I was in Afghanistan from 06 feb - 07 feb and therefore fall into both consolidation phases 1 and 2. Only problem is my S1 tells me there is no place the awards on eMILPOS and therefore cant update them on my 3355 or ERB. I printed off the regulations for him that state both Award itself and promotion points awarded for it yet he still tells me there is nothing he can do and that we would try to find out about it. 4 months later.........I missed out on the cutoff score for E5 promotion in February by 4 points and if I would have had these points I would have made it. Can anybody please PLEASE help me? Anyone know how this is updated on eMILPOS or any other way so i can tell my lazy ass S1 how to do it? Thank you

http://www.army.mil/USAPA/epubs/pdf/r600_8_19.pdf (AR 600-8-19 section 3-43)
http://www.defense.gov/utility/printitem.aspx?print=http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49659
http://dva.state.wi.us/Docs/OEF-OIF_Campaign_Stars.pdf (Milper Message 08-123)

[INGUARD]

I was just informed about 4 months ago about Campaign stars and there promotion points. I was in Afghanistan from 06 feb - 07 feb and therefore fall into both consolidation phases 1 and 2. Only problem is my S1 tells me there is no place the awards on eMILPOS and therefore cant update them on my 3355 or ERB. I printed off the regulations for him that state both Award itself and promotion points awarded for it yet he still tells me there is nothing he can do and that we would try to find out about it. 4 months later.........I missed out on the cutoff score for E5 promotion in February by 4 points and if I would have had these points I would have made it. Can anybody please PLEASE help me? Anyone know how this is updated on eMILPOS or any other way so i can tell my lazy ass S1 how to do it? Thank you

http://www.army.mil/USAPA/epubs/pdf/r600_8_19.pdf (AR 600-8-19 section 3-43)
http://www.defense.gov/utility/printitem.aspx?print=http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=49659
http://dva.state.wi.us/Docs/OEF-OIF_Campaign_Stars.pdf (Milper Message 08-123)

Specialist, you never mentioned what your leadership said about the matter? Did you go to your team leader/squad leader/platoon sergeant (up the chain) to address your concern.

A campaign star is earned for an another deployment to the same theater. If you went to Afghanistan one time that doesnt count. Your second deployment to Afghanistan would earn you the campaign star. I dont know if you know the difference between campaign medal and campaign service star. From what I read, you getting points for the star (additional deployment) not the medal. I did hear that deployments in general were going to be added to the point system but dont know where I read that or when would that take affect. I earned my E5 and E6 back in the day through the old system.

My point is that you need to address this with your chain of command. And if you havent; then you cant blame the S1 clerk. Also, I heard promotables now and days can update their own 3355 online? Why havent you tried to do that?

Other scenario (in which you need documentation) is to go to the IG and ask them about the matter and find out if the S1 clerk (if he was at fault) was wrong and that if the situation could be fixed and you get promoted (and your promotion should be backdated)

[MilehighMP]

accodring to Milper Message 08-123, The Afghanistan medal is divided into three distinct campaign phases. The “Liberation of Afghanistan” ranfrom Sept. 11 to Nov. 30, 2001. The “Consolidation 1” phase ran from Dec. 1, 2001, to Sept. 30, 2006. The “Consolidation II” phase began Oct. 1, 2006, and continues through a yet-undesignated end date. To qualify for a star, a servicemember must have served 30 consecutive days or 60 nonconsecutive days in the area. Troops who served the required days during more than one phase, or in both Iraq and Afghanistan, qualify for two stars, he said. However, a servicemember who served two tours during one designated campaign phase qualifies for just one star.
I did my homework and each of the links i posted contains the regulation governing it.. I have discussed this with my squad leader and Platoon Sergeant and they both tell me to both keep on top on the S1. I would love to update my own 3355 and I do but, sections like civilian ed and military awards must be updated by S1 or MPD through eMILPOS which I dont have access to. There are about 10 other people in my company who quailify for at least one campaign star to go on their campaign medals but they, like me, had never been informed about it before. And as you can see NO ONE has heard about it still, because though they have regulations and milper messages about them no one seems to be able to tell me how to actually get the awards or points for them..According to Milper Message 08-123 you can not receive more than one campaign MEDAL for the same campaign service or deployment.So adding another ACM to get the 2nd campaign star is out of the question... Please someone with some pull......Tell me what to do.........

[INGUARD]

No your wrong. under the first period, you were granted the expeditionary medal. you will also need separate orders for each deployment. Your year falls under one deployment. Also, that is a piss-poor answer from your leadership. They are supposed to check the regs and deal with the S1 leadership (S1 OIC).

I was an MP so are you in an MP company or HHC STB formation? I can understand if you are in an MP company the PAC clerk wouldnt know. I would go to battalion or brigade S1 to get your issue resolved.

I am in Afghanistan now. I was in Iraq. But believe me, and I have a feeling about this, you dont rate a campaign star due to deployment year overlapping over the "consolidation phases". You just get the ACM for that year you deployed. That's it.

Now like I said; if you go downrange to Afghanistan again; then you rate the campaign star on your ACM.

I been in for 20 years. I know a little thing about awards since I written so many out.

[SailorDave]

I have to agree with the OP. Since this is a DOD award, the associated service (USA/USAF/USN/USMC) is irrelavant. But since this is an Army forum, I'll refer you to the MilPer MSG 08-123


5. SHOULD THE SOLDIER’S INITIAL INCLUSIVE PERIOD OF DEPLOYMENT OVERLAP ONE OR MORE OF THE APPROVED CAMPAIGN PHASES, THE SOLDIER IS CREDITED FOR PARTICIPATION IN EACH APPLICABLE PHASE AND WILL BE ENTITLED TO THE APPROPRIATE NUMBER OF SERVICE STARS.
A. EXAMPLE: SOLDIER DEPLOYS TO AFGHANISTAN FOR 180 DAYS FROM 24 OCTOBER 2001 TO 13 APRIL 2002. THE SOLDIER IS ENTITLED TO TWO BRONZE SERVICE STARS ON THE ACM FOR PARTICIPATION IN BOTH THE LIBERATION OF AFGHANISTAN AND CONSOLIDATION I CAMPAIGNS.

To me, it clearly demonstrates that the ICM/ACM is awarded for service in the specific (Iraq/Afghan) AOR. Campaign stars are awarded, in addition to the basic award, for periods served during the designated campaign phases.

[INGUARD]

Also, I wanted to add is that I have seen soldiers not get promoted due to errors of their S1 and still those sections were not liable. They just had to wait until they made points. Just an FYI.

[INGUARD]

I have to agree with the OP. Since this is a DOD award, the associated service (USA/USAF/USN/USMC) is irrelavant. But since this is an Army forum, I'll refer you to the MilPer MSG 08-123



To me, it clearly demonstrates that the ICM/ACM is awarded for service in the specific (Iraq/Afghan) AOR. Campaign stars are awarded, in addition to the basic award, for periods served during the designated campaign phases.

The OP was in AFghanistan in 2006 and he is saying that since his year deployment started on the consolidation period then he should get a campaign star.

Trust me; his orders were just for one year. He didnt have two different deployments during this time. And he received his end of tour awards. If that was the case; he would have received a campaign award on his ACM before re-deploying.

If that was the case; members of his unit should have campaign star.

I have read into MILPER messages many times and the S1/G1 (admin section) have squared me away many times.

I am leaving here with three ribbons by the way. ACM, NATO/ISAF medal and my end of tour award.

[SailorDave]

The example quoted in the MilPers msg is only an example. It's intended to show that any period served during two phases, even on the same deployment, counts for two stars on the medal. He/She doesn't need two sets of orders. The period of deployment is the operative section. Everyone that served with him/her during that period rates the same thing.

Note the next paragraph:


B. AS PRESCRIBED BY THIS MESSAGE, NO ACM/ICM WILL BE AWARDED TO ARMY SOLDIERS WITHOUT AT LEAST ONE SERVICE STAR.

Note the words "at least".

[INGUARD]

C. SOLDIERS QUALIFIED FOR THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL (GWOTEM) BY REASON OF SERVICE BETWEEN 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 AND 30 APRIL 2005, IN AN AREA FOR WHICH THE ACM WAS SUBSEQUENTLY AUTHORIZED, SHALL REMAIN QUALIFIED FOR THAT MEDAL. UPON APPLICATION, ANY SUCH SOLDIER MAY BE AWARDED THE ACM IN LIEU OF THE GWOTEM FOR SUCH SERVICE. NO SOLDIER SHALL BE ENTITLED TO BOTH MEDALS FOR THE SAME ACT, ACHIEVEMENT, OR PERIOD OF SERVICE.
D. THE SERVICE STAR IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR ON THE GWOTEM.

Also with that; soldiers were given the GWOTEM medal during this time thus not be allowed to get the ACM.

[INGUARD]

The example quoted in the MilPers msg is only an example. It's intended to show that any period served during two phases, even on the same deployment, counts for two stars on the medal. He/She doesn't need two sets of orders. The period of deployment is the operative section. Everyone that served with him/her during that period rates the same thing.

Note the next paragraph:



Note the words "at least".

OK sailor, you are right lol.

I am having issues getting Joint commendations based on the ambiguity of the MILPER message and differences of interpretation between the echelons.

Now the MILPER message is dated 2008 so it should be retroactive so I am going to a soldier (which there are many here in Afghanistan; especially in my unit. Its almost midnight so not asking now) that were here during that time. I will ask to see if they have a campaign star on their medal if their tour time overlapped as stated in the MILPER message.

[SailorDave]

Keep reading


UPON APPLICATION, ANY SUCH SOLDIER MAY BE AWARDED THE ACM IN LIEU OF THE GWOTEM FOR SUCH SERVICE. NO SOLDIER SHALL BE ENTITLED TO BOTH MEDALS FOR THE SAME ACT, ACHIEVEMENT, OR PERIOD OF SERVICE.


He/she can turn in their GWOTEM in lieu of the ACM, if they choose. They just can't have both. Since the ACM is good for promotion points in the Army, you'd be foolish to keep the GWOTEM.

[INGUARD]

Keep reading



He/she can turn in their GWOTEM in lieu of the ACM, if they choose. They just can't have both. Since the ACM is good for promotion points in the Army, you'd be foolish to keep the GWOTEM.

No they cannot not!! You dont swap out awards for points lol Each award comes out with an award number that is in the system. You just cant rescind that on your own personal request due to points. Also, when he earned the ACM the GWOTEM was no longer being issued since the ACM was established.

hey personally, I rather have more fruit salad lol

[MilehighMP]

C. SOLDIERS QUALIFIED FOR THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERRORISM EXPEDITIONARY MEDAL (GWOTEM) BY REASON OF SERVICE BETWEEN 11 SEPTEMBER 2001 AND 30 APRIL 2005, IN AN AREA FOR WHICH THE ACM WAS SUBSEQUENTLY AUTHORIZED, SHALL REMAIN QUALIFIED FOR THAT MEDAL. UPON APPLICATION, ANY SUCH SOLDIER MAY BE AWARDED THE ACM IN LIEU OF THE GWOTEM FOR SUCH SERVICE. NO SOLDIER SHALL BE ENTITLED TO BOTH MEDALS FOR THE SAME ACT, ACHIEVEMENT, OR PERIOD OF SERVICE.
D. THE SERVICE STAR IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR ON THE GWOTEM.

Also with that; soldiers were given the GWOTEM medal during this time thus not be allowed to get the ACM.

First off thanks sailor dave for being the only who actually read and understands the MilPer message. When I first found out about the award I checked my ERB and it said ACM-CS 1, meaning I did get one campaign star for my ACM so YES Campaign stars are authorized just like the MilPer Message says. My problem is that I dont have TWO for being in 2 different phases during my ONE tour which stills qualifies me for TWO Campaign stars. And the other problem is that even my ONE campaign star is not showing on my 3355 and I cant add it.... And my S1 is saying he doesnt know how to put it on eMILPO. SO I am missing 1 campaign star on my ERB and 2 Campaign stars on my 3355.

[SailorDave]

No they cannot not!! You dont swap out awards for points lol Each award comes out with an award number that is in the system. You just cant rescind that on your own personal request due to points. Also, when he earned the ACM the GWOTEM was no longer being issued since the ACM was established.

hey personally, I rather have more fruit salad lol
What part of the MilPer message I quoted confuses you ? It says, in black and white, that they CAN exchange the ACM for the GWOTEM "upon application". I don't see how that is ambiguous. Remember, the ACM/ICM is a DoD level award. They set the terms, not the Army. That the Army awards promotion points to those medals is solely within the Army. Navy does not. The exchange of the GWOTEM for the ACM/ICM is mandated by DoD and cannot be restricted by the Army or any other service.

[INGUARD]

page 29
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_8_22.pdf

if you didnt get an award for the time you were in Afghanistan (lets say 2002), then you can get the ACM in lieu of the GWOTEM. You cannot receive the GWOTEM and go years later, write me up for an ACM because I need promotion points.

[SailorDave]

First off thanks sailor dave for being the only who actually read and understands the MilPer message. When I first found out about the award I checked my ERB and it said ACM-CS 1, meaning I did get one campaign star for my ACM so YES Campaign stars are authorized just like the MilPer Message says. My problem is that I dont have TWO for being in 2 different phases during my ONE tour which stills qualifies me for TWO Campaign stars. And the other problem is that even my ONE campaign star is not showing on my 3355 and I cant add it.... And my S1 is saying he doesnt know how to put it on eMILPO. SO I am missing 1 campaign star on my ERB and 2 Campaign stars on my 3355.
What post are you assigned to ?? Don't they have a PSB you can go to ? If your S1 doesn't know how to add it, he should call HRC and get guidance.

[INGUARD]

What part of the MilPer message I quoted confuses you ? It says, in black and white, that they CAN exchange the ACM for the GWOTEM "upon application". I don't see how that is ambiguous. Remember, the ACM/ICM is a DoD level award. They set the terms, not the Army. That the Army awards promotion points to those medals is solely within the Army. Navy does not. The exchange of the GWOTEM for the ACM/ICM is mandated by DoD and cannot be restricted by the Army or any other service.

do you know how Army awards are written up? who is the signature authority? O-5 approval. You cant go back for an award to change it.

[SailorDave]

page 29
http://www.army.mil/usapa/epubs/pdf/r600_8_22.pdf

if you didnt get an award for the time you were in Afghanistan (lets say 2002), then you can get the ACM in lieu of the GWOTEM. You cannot receive the GWOTEM and go years later, write me up for an ACM because I need promotion points.
Says nothing in that section about restricting the award. It only says you can't have both. Paragraph C is an exact quote from the MilPers message and says you can. I don't know why you refuse to see it. It says nothing about "if you didn't get one then, you can have this". Don't interject things into the instruction that aren't there. There are no restrictions on the exchange for times or dates.

As I said before, this is not an Army award. It is a DoD award. You'll pardon me if I don't "trust you" about this, as I've done that too many times in my 27 years of active duty and gotten burned. I've presented my interpretation of the award, based on the message put out by the Army, in accordance with instructions put out by the DoD. You can take it or leave it, but I refuse to argue with you about it any further.


Anyone else want to chime in on their opinion ???

[INGUARD]

Says nothing in that section about restricting the award. It only says you can't have both. Paragraph C is an exact quote from the MilPers message and says you can. I don't know why you refuse to see it. It says nothing about "if you didn't get one then, you can have this". Don't interject things into the instruction that aren't there. There are no restrictions on the exchange for times or dates.

As I said before, this is not an Army award. It is a DoD award. You'll pardon me if I don't "trust you" about this, as I've done that too many times in my 27 years of active duty and gotten burned. I've presented my interpretation of the award, based on the message put out by the Army, in accordance with instructions put out by the DoD. You can take it or leave it, but I refuse to argue with you about it any further.


Anyone else want to chime in on their opinion ???

im not arguing with you brother but I am saying based on my experience that interpretation is not as cut or dry. if he rated that star and it was and oversight in his section; his S1 would have issued out orders reflecting the award of the campaign star.

The OP never mentioned that. I am telling you how I know the Army to run when it comes to awards and decorations and when things are retroactive, the proper documentation is issued.

I recently learned that I should have been awarded another overseas medal based on my tour in Iraq. I never got one. But again, I will need documentation to submit that.

To get things changed, it needs to get initiated and approved by higher. A soldier cant just change his award. A Captain and Lieutenant Colonel will have to see the requested forms and approve it. Again, if this soldier is in the right; it should have been rectified eons ago.

Also, when leadership takes a step back and lets a joe fight for something that they should be involved in tell me alot too. Either they dont believe the cause or they dont give a damn or just sub par leaders. If this was my soldier; I will go with him to the admin clerk and get it resolved once and for all. At least we will know the answer when we left. Where I come from in the Army; an E4 and below never goes to the admin office alone without their leadership.

Just something is not right. Yes its a DOD award but our process of handling and issuing awards is different than the NAVY.

[INGUARD]

ok I am reading the Army Times article so I guess I rate a campaign star too.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2008/05/army_campaignstars_051108w/
Army sets campaign star rules

By Jim Tice - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday May 13, 2008 16:30:06 EDT

Soldiers and Army veterans who believe they are eligible for the newly authorized Afghanistan and Iraq campaign stars must verify eligibility with unit personnel officials or the Human Resources Command.

The verification requirement applies to Regular Army, National Guard and Army Reserve soldiers and former soldiers who have served, or are serving, deployments in support of Operation Enduring Freedom in Afghanistan and Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Defense Department data indicate nearly 805,000 soldiers have served qualifying deployments.

Campaign stars were approved by the Defense Department on April 16 for wear on the Afghanistan and Iraq campaign medals.

Implementing instructions were issued April 30 by the Army’s Military Awards Branch as MilPer Message 08-123.

The instructions mandate that “no Afghanistan Campaign Medal or Iraq Campaign Medal will be awarded to Army soldiers without at least one service star.”

A second implementing instruction will be issued later this year for the award of Afghanistan and Iraq campaign streamers, which are displayed on unit colors, flags and guidons.

“Soldiers who are, or have, qualified for either of these awards (Afghanistan or Iraq Campaign Medals) can report to their unit S-1, unit administrator or supporting military personnel division and have their campaign entitlements updated to their records,” according to the Army instructions.

Eligibility can be verified with supporting documentation, such as orders for the campaign medal, DD Form 1610 travel orders, evaluation reports (DA Form 67-9 for officers or DA Form 2166-8 for NCOs), a memorandum signed by the soldier’s former battalion commander, deployment and redeployment orders (must include soldier’s full name), and other documents such as certificates of appreciation.

Veterans can request campaign star approval by sending a written request, a copy of their DD Form 214 or DD Form 215 and supporting documentation (same type of documents as for serving soldiers) to the Commander, Human Resources Command, Attn: AHRC-PDP-A, 200 Stovall St., Alexandria, VA 22332-0400.

Designated campaign phases
The campaign stars recognize soldiers for participating in designated campaign phases — not multiple deployments — within the areas of eligibility for 30 consecutive days, or 60 nonconsecutive days.

Soldiers also are eligible if they engage in combat, or are wounded or injured and require medical evacuation, regardless of the time in a designated area.

Eligibility is retroactive to Sept. 11, 2001, for service in Afghanistan, and March 19, 2003, for Iraq.

Soldiers who qualify for the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal by reason of having served in Afghanistan during Sept. 11, 2001-April 30, 2005, or Iraq during March 19, 2003-April 30, 2005, remain qualified for that medal, but can have it replaced by the ACM or ICM.

Campaign stars are not authorized for wear on the Global War on Terrorism Expeditionary Medal, according to Army policy.

In the April 19 directive authorizing campaign stars, the Defense Department established three qualifying phases, or time periods, for Afghanistan, and four for Iraq.

In authorizing the award of campaign medals and stars, the Defense Department stipulated that soldiers cannot receive separate medals for the same action, time period and service.

However, if a soldier’s period of deployment overlaps one or more of the approved campaign phases, the soldier qualifies for each phase, and is entitled to the appropriate number of service stars.

For example, if a soldier deployed to Afghanistan for 180 days during Oct. 24, 2001, to April 13, 2002, he is entitled to two service stars on the ACM for participation in both the liberation of Afghanistan and Consolidation I campaign phases of Operation Enduring Freedom.

Campaign stars are bronze or silver five-pointed stars. A silver star is worn in lieu of five bronze campaign stars.

Campaign phases
A directive issued by the Department of Defense April 16 designates three phases of Operation Enduring Freedom as qualifying for a campaign star:

• Liberation of Afghanistan (Sept. 11, 2001–Nov. 30, 2001)

• Consolidation I (Dec. 1, 2001-Sept. 30, 2006)

• Consolidation II (Oct. 1, 2006-TBD)

The four qualifying phases of Operation Iraqi Freedom are:

• Liberation of Iraq (March 19, 2003-May 1, 2003)

• Transition of Iraq (May 2, 2003-June 28, 2004)

• Iraqi Governance (June 29, 2004-Dec. 15, 2005)

• National Resolution (Dec. 16, 2005-TBD)

[INGUARD]

Soldier, Is the campaign star in your ERB? The soldier was not eligible for the GWOTEM and didnt receive it.

Now I am here in Afghanistan and I been to so many award cereomonies. By that article, they should get a campaign star (by the comment The instructions mandate that “no Afghanistan Campaign Medal or Iraq Campaign Medal will be awarded to Army soldiers without at least one service star.” and I havent seen a campaign star being issued.(should be attached on the ribbon)

I was in Iraq from Aug 05 to Aug 06 and never received a campaign star (the article says that time frame rates one).

This is good that this was brought up because I wasnt aware of this. i will address this with my G1 tomorrow.

[INGUARD]

What post are you assigned to ?? Don't they have a PSB you can go to ? If your S1 doesn't know how to add it, he should call HRC and get guidance.

Is there only one person working in the S1 shop? talk to the NCOIC or the OIC about this and see what happens?

Also, I am going to confirm with my G1 because I think I am getting screwed too lol:rolleyes:

Let me look at my record brief right now.

[INGUARD]

well I be!! That is the first time I see CS at the end of my ICM. I am not lying. Wow, I got PWND lol I havent looked at my record brief in so long; I didnt pay attention to the changes. But I am not surprised. So many times my ERB changed and I didnt even know why. (PLDC changed to WLC) and now they will be renaning BNCOC. HRC makes changes constantly.

ICMCS 1
GWOTS 1
NSSDR-1

well even an old dog can be wrong. lol

but OP the clerk not knowing how to add it in the system is no excuse for not adding your points if you rated them and if your leaders cared about you picking up sergeant; they will be by your side at the S1 to get it fixed.

[SailorDave]

Would it be too wrong of me to do the "I was right and you were wrong" dance at my desk for a couple of minutes ??:D :D :D :D

[INGUARD]

you got it. I am wearing my cracker jack suit as I do it lol

[SailorDave]

Ow, My Hip !!!

[INGUARD]

I envy you bro since you are stationed in Hawaii. I wish I was there. I was last there in the 80s. Great times.

[MilehighMP]

Ok now that we are all clear on the fact that I am entitled to 2 campaign stars for my "overlapping" campaign phases, I am still looking for a reason why my S1 and even PSB is having trouble finding out how to update my ERB and 3355 with the awards. Like I said before I have on my ERB My ACM with 1 Campaign Star but it is not on my 3355 and You cannot add any extra awards to your 3355 without doing so through eMILPOS, which again I guess my S1 has access to. My S1 said he tried but he could add the extra campaign star without adding another ACM which you cant do. I asked him if he can find out for me and he said he would "Call Battalion, but they are gonna say the same thing" and he still tells me he hasnt heard anything. I told my squad leader and platoon sergeant and they just said that they had never heard of these campaign stars and I should just keep bugging S1. Thats when I went to PSB and a guy there keeps telling me that he is trying to get ahold of awards branch but hasnt heard anything either. I have been with my unit for 5 years and know shit will never get done if you dont do it yourself seeing how after we got back from our afghanistan deployment our PSG and LT said they put in all the paper work for our C.A.B's, JSAM's, and ARCOM's. 4 Months later, They were both PCS'ed and we never heard anything else about it. 2 months later we got orders for AAM's. I was a dumb ass back then and didnt really care, but know seeing how I missd out on 50 promotion points because of leader negligence I am trying to handle shit on my own.. absolutley horrendous company all around and am very suprised we havent been deactivated..Seeing how we as MP's are suppose to enforce the law in the military community and in the past 6 months have had numerous DUI's, a rape/sexual assault case (rear detachment) 2 people being shot by friendly fire while cleaning weapons on seperate occassions and both our First sergeant and CO down range relieved of duty AND our Rear D first sergeant being relieved for infidelity, and rear D SSG arrested for DUI. And no one. And as you can see a specialist reporting to S1 by himself for problems with an award is the wrong answer but Im taking care of myself now. It sucks when I have to go to a militarytimes.com Forum as a last resort hoping to find answers about an award no one seems to know about. I already missed out on a CAB and JSAM but im going to get my campaign stars.

[SailorDave]

Does this help ??

https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/Active/select/3355UsersManual-1Feb06.pdf

I am not an Army HR specialist, but this gives some info regarding updating the 3355 through AKO.

[INGUARD]

since you call yourself milehigh; I assume you are at Fort Carson. Anyway, its a shock that you didnt get your awards right from downrange. When I was an MP with the 101st, I got my CAB but as a E-6 squad leader engaged in combat; I only got an ARCOM.

Now you showed us the reg and I wasnt aware of the campaign stars until now. Maybe I read it before and didnt pay no mine but it shows in my record brief.

Forget about all the bad crap that happened in your unit because that is not going to help your case. I suggest you visit the IG for assistance. IG assists with knowing the regs and can get the ball rolling.

I am going to talk to my G1 shop tomorrow to find out how it can be added in emilpo. If you want to PM me your info; I will send an email to your AKO or whatever email address you have.

When I was an MP; points were real low. You needed 460 to be an E5 and 680 to be an E6.

When I was a squad leader, I always took care of my soldiers. That is what NCOs do. I even had soldiers from other squads come to me for assistance since I had a record of helping soldiers.

I might not know everything but I use my resources or point people in the right direction.

Its a shame when a soldier cant rely on his own leadership.

[MilehighMP]

Yeah i have been researching the promotion points for the past 5 years for 31B's and points were pretty low up until last year. I have talked to all the E5's in the Read D here with me and they all got promoted back when points where between 450-600 points. Right now I am sitting 629 (639 with my campaign stars) and points are at 653 this month for E5 and 798 for E6. I am hurting on awards bad. I was pissed when points hit 635 back in february knowing that if my leadership would have handled this back in December when I approached them I would have made the cut off last month. Ill be lucky if points drop that low again. Yeah and I would apprieciate it you could tell me what your G1 says about the eMILPOS. You can email me at Milehigh852004@yahoo.com.. And I am stationed in Germany . I am just from denver "milehigh"

[INGUARD]

are you with the 529th? or up at Mannheim? You have to be part of the 18th MP Brigade. Anyway, I shoot you an email tomorrow. I am 4.5 hours ahead of you. stay frosty troop.

[INGUARD]

I talked to the OIC. This is what you need to do

1 - You need to write a memorandum for record detailing what happened.

2 - You need to have your whole promotion packet attached; especially that shows if you had the points for cutoff if you had the campaign star added to your 3355.

3- Your S1 will do a DA 4187 for an exception to policy to get your promoted and have it backdated.

4- S1 will make a memo for an O6 to either approve or disapprove.

[MilehighMP]

I talked to the OIC. This is what you need to do

1 - You need to write a memorandum for record detailing what happened.

2 - You need to have your whole promotion packet attached; especially that shows if you had the points for cutoff if you had the campaign star added to your 3355.

3- Your S1 will do a DA 4187 for an exception to policy to get your promoted and have it backdated.

4- S1 will make a memo for an O6 to either approve or disapprove.

Hey thanks a bunch Inguard! Dont know where this will take me but it the most helpful and sensible advice I have received in about 2years. Thanks for taking the time to hook me up despite the fact you are in Afghanistan and are probably busy with a whole mess load of other crap.. Really do appreciate the time you put into this for me. I hope I can pay it foward to another soldier someday!