The Kenyan Certificate of Birth submitted for authentication in suit

[Texpat]

So it's official. The president of the United States is a Kenyan.

[Silver Fox]

Far from it:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/mor...pakistan-trip/


You can trust the University of Pennsylvania in this link.... or WorldNetDaily lol.....


Also, I find these two facts incredible

1) That the certificate is English. Ok, this is possible. Though a bit improbable.

But most importantly

2) That it uses the U.S. system of measure, which is laughable and almost guarantees it's falsehood. Guess the guy photoshopping it didn't realize Kenya uses the metric system.

[Pueblo]

Originally Posted by DAG48

We should not let any President that has unlawfully obtained said Office to remain in Office just because of the chaos that may or may not result from the removal of said President. To do so is to surrender our constitution to chaos.

I don't know why anyone who says the above would shy away from the term "birther". If you claim the President has not produced evidence of his citizenship or that he unlawfully obtained office, then you are a birther.

Originally Posted by Silver Fox

Far from it:

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/06/mor...pakistan-trip/


You can trust the University of Pennsylvania in this link.... or WorldNetDaily lol.....


Also, I find these two facts incredible

1) That the certificate is English. Ok, this is possible. Though a bit improbable.

But most importantly

2) That it uses the U.S. system of measure, which is laughable and almost guarantees it's falsehood. Guess the guy photoshopping it didn't realize Kenya uses the metric system.

I think my position on the President's citizenship has been well-established on the affirmative side. However, I'll play the devil's advocate here and ask when Kenya switched over to the metric system, because if the nutcases find out they switched in 1970, then that'll give them some extra mileage to spew their batshit.

[Texpat]

I don't have a problem with our president being Kenyan.

The fact that he's a slickster Robin Hood bullshitter, however, willing to deal away America's hegemonic power, is quite problematic.

[DAG48]

Originally Posted by Pueblo

I don't know why anyone who says the above would shy away from the term "birther". If you claim the President has not produced evidence of his citizenship or that he unlawfully obtained office, then you are a birther....., .

I guess that makes you a "Dually", since you are pro dual citizenship for any President, regardless of whether it is Constitutional or Not?

That means, in the Cold War, you would have supported a Communist Russian Dual Citizen for President, or currently an Israeli Dual Citizen who is hell bent on destroying Muslims, for President of the United States. How dangerous is that?

"Dually, Dually......, Dually"!

I don't know if you are either too blind, or ignorant, or politically entrenched to see where the dangerous conflicts of interests are in this equation. I pity you.

P.S. I am sorry, I said I was not going to Post on this Thread anymore, but I was challenged and had to answer back to another "Dually" comment! "Duallies" are so....., "Dually".

[Seasons]

Lets put this bitch to rest: if you claim he was a dual citizen, is he declared as one now? If not, seriously, who gives a shit? If so, maybe you have a valid worry. But please point out where its unconstitutional.

[DAG48]

Originally Posted by Seasons

Lets put this bitch to rest: if you claim he was a dual citizen, is he declared as one now? If not, seriously, who gives a shit? If so, maybe you have a valid worry. But please point out where its unconstitutional.

1. As far as anyone knows President Obama did not renounce his British Citizenship, even if he did go past the British residency requirement, his British Nationality would not automatically expire. The British Secretary of State would have to initiate the action of stripping President Obama of his British Citizenship, according to the British Nationality Act of 1948, so there would be a paper trail. Since President Obama will not release his Passport Records, School Records, Birth Certificate, ect, ect, and the Federal Courts continue to ignore cases requesting his records to be unsealed, we do not know if President Obama now holds British, and/or Indonesian and United States Citizenship. There is also speculation, raised by his own website, that President Obama accepted Kenyan Citizenship through his father after his Mother divorced him.

2. The U.S. Constitution says that the President of the United States has to be a "Natural Born" Citizen of the U.S. for those who seek the Office after the ratification of the Constitution, with exception to those who were in the United States Prior to the Ratification of the Constitution. If anyone finds any 240 year old British National who is also a U.S. Citizen, and who wishes to run for POTUS, please let me know.

Define "Natural Born" and ask yourself why only the POTUS, is required by our Constitution to be a "Natural Born" Citizen of the United States. U.S. Senators and Representatives are not required by our Constitution to be "Natural Born" Citizens, they only have to meet age, citizenship, and residency requirements. To most folks "Natural Born" Citizen means being born of TWO U.S. Citizens, not adopted overseas, or born between a British Citizen and a U.S. Citizen, thus having a dual status. That is what makes a Dual Citzen President Un-Constitutional in my Opinion. This question has to be decided in Federal Court, so as much as you may like, you cannot put this puppy to rest until it is decided by the Court, or as the Courts are indicating thus far, through Impeachment.

3. I have posted most of this already, if you read the links provided. If it is not in this Thread, it was posted here:

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/s....php?t=1581461

4. I apologize again for posting in this thread. The point is there are ongoing Federal Court Proceedings Challenging the President on his Citizenship Status, the issue I am concerned with is Dual Citizenship status due to a President's Power, where his loyalties are, and whether or not he will follow "International Law" and basically ignore our "Constitution", screwing the U.S. in the Process.

5. If you don't care, don't post! If you call me a "birther", I will label you a "Dually", and say you would have supported a Communist Russian Dual Citizen President during the Cold War.

6. I realize this is a lot of information to comprehend, but it is important, so I urge anyone interested to read the links in earlier posts, do your research and decide for yourselves if this is worth your time. Otherwise I will continue to Post what I learn of the Federal Court proceedings in the Thread Link in post #3.

7. Thanks for your concern.

[Silver Fox]

If you don't care, don't post! If you call me a "birther", I will label you a "Dually", and say you would have supported a Communist Russian Dual Citizen President during the Cold War.

Why not? It would have been great for easing Cold War tensions. Once I wasn't completely opposed to the idea of an Austrian born body builder running for president. (And still think he's welcome to run, I just couldn't say I'd vote for him.)

[ChiefB]

Originally Posted by Shrike

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D-MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA), Sept. 27, 2002, drunk, killer, deceased

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D-WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do."
- Rep. Henry Waxman (D-CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D-FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation .. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA), Jan. 23. 2003





Now, personally I think this birth certificate BS is a bunch of nonsense. However, to lay blame for the Iraq War solely on the "lies" of former President Bush is short-sighted to say the least.

Geez, Louise, Shrike what an awesome reply. I am very impressed. Well done!

ChiefB

[Seasons]

Originally Posted by DAG48

1. As far as anyone knows President Obama did not renounce his British Citizenship, even if he did go past the British residency requirement, his British Nationality would not automatically expire. The British Secretary of State would have to initiate the action of stripping President Obama of his British Citizenship, according to the British Nationality Act of 1948, so there would be a paper trail. Since President Obama will not release his Passport Records, School Records, Birth Certificate, ect, ect, and the Federal Courts continue to ignore cases requesting his records to be unsealed, we do not know if President Obama now holds British, and/or Indonesian and United States Citizenship. There is also speculation, raised by his own website, that President Obama accepted Kenyan Citizenship through his father after his Mother divorced him.

2. The U.S. Constitution says that the President of the United States has to be a "Natural Born" Citizen of the U.S. for those who seek the Office after the ratification of the Constitution, with exception to those who were in the United States Prior to the Ratification of the Constitution. If anyone finds any 240 year old British National who is also a U.S. Citizen, and who wishes to run for POTUS, please let me know.

Define "Natural Born" and ask yourself why only the POTUS, is required by our Constitution to be a "Natural Born" Citizen of the United States. U.S. Senators and Representatives are not required by our Constitution to be "Natural Born" Citizens, they only have to meet age, citizenship, and residency requirements. To most folks "Natural Born" Citizen means being born of TWO U.S. Citizens, not adopted overseas, or born between a British Citizen and a U.S. Citizen, thus having a dual status. That is what makes a Dual Citzen President Un-Constitutional in my Opinion. This question has to be decided in Federal Court, so as much as you may like, you cannot put this puppy to rest until it is decided by the Court, or as the Courts are indicating thus far, through Impeachment.

3. I have posted most of this already, if you read the links provided. If it is not in this Thread, it was posted here:

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/s....php?t=1581461

4. I apologize again for posting in this thread. The point is there are ongoing Federal Court Proceedings Challenging the President on his Citizenship Status, the issue I am concerned with is Dual Citizenship status due to a President's Power, where his loyalties are, and whether or not he will follow "International Law" and basically ignore our "Constitution", screwing the U.S. in the Process.

5. If you don't care, don't post! If you call me a "birther", I will label you a "Dually", and say you would have supported a Communist Russian Dual Citizen President during the Cold War.

6. I realize this is a lot of information to comprehend, but it is important, so I urge anyone interested to read the links in earlier posts, do your research and decide for yourselves if this is worth your time. Otherwise I will continue to Post what I learn of the Federal Court proceedings in the Thread Link in post #3.

7. Thanks for your concern.

I'm still curious if you can back up him even being a Dual-Citizen. Does Britain consider him a citizen? I highly doubt so anymore. I'm going to guess he's already renounced any dual-status if he already had it. Maybe the reason you can't find any record of him doing so is cause he never had to, cause he never was.