Why did Hassan still have a military ID?

[Scruples]

Originally Posted by FCMVP#30

How about the FBI notifying his chain of command or the Commander at Hood and tell them to keep an eye on this guy. His comments about about suicide bombers alone should have been enough let alone his comments on how muslims need to fight back.

According to the news, the FBI was not sure if he was the same Hassan who posted the blogs at jihadist websites.

After all, there are as many Hassans as John Smiths.

It is too premature to conclude what his real motives are. The close circuit TV record at the convenience store - seven hours before the shootings - showed him smiling. His affect was not typical of persons with suicidal or homicidal ideation. What gives? I do not know...let us wait for more facts before making judgment about this person's motives.

[acesfilter]

Originally Posted by Texpat

He's a MUSLIM and a doc -- and a MINORITY.

Fukkin gold. Only thing better is a similarly described woman.

I'm surprised he hadn't made Lt Col. despite his shitty record.

Right. Of course the military would have been better off hiring a deaf, retarded mute. They would be a lot less contentious.

[FCMVP#30]

Originally Posted by Scruples

According to the news, the FBI was not sure if he was the same Hassan who posted the blogs at jihadist websites.

After all, there are as many Hassans as John Smiths.

It is too premature to conclude what his real motives are. The close circuit TV record at the convenience store - seven hours before the shootings - showed him smiling. His affect was not typical of persons with suicidal or homicidal ideation. What gives? I do not know...let us wait for more facts before making judgment about this person's motives.

That was also 6 months ago that the FBI became interested. Sounds like there was plenty of time and there should have beenmore investigaing in the past 6 months to figure out if it was him or not, especially considering the troubling remarks and argument he he made toand got in with co-workers over the GWOT.

There were signs, a lot of them, but it looks like there was no communication between the FBI and the Army. Any one of the things he did above would not be that big of a deal, but when you put them all together it should have sent off alarm bells.

[Scruples]

Originally Posted by FCMVP#30

There were signs, a lot of them, but it looks like there was no communication between the FBI and the Army. Any one of the things he did above would not be that big of a deal, but when you put them all together it should have sent off alarm bells.

That's why they have the SAEDA (subversion and espionage directed against the Army) briefings. The co-workers should have alerted the counter-intelligence or CID to check this guy out.

There is freedom of speech and there is threatening speech - a big difference.

[Measure Man]

Originally Posted by Scruples

That's why they have the SAEDA (subversion and espionage directed against the Army) briefings. The co-workers should have alerted the counter-intelligence or CID to check this guy out.

There is freedom of speech and there is threatening speech - a big difference.

What do you expect they would have found if they investigated him?

Unless he posted somewhere or told someone that he planned to open fire at Ft. Hood...what would they have found other than he seems a bit disgruntled and unwilling to deploy?

Alert CID because someone has an opinion against the war?

Like you said...there is a difference between freedom of speech and threatening speech. I haven't seen anything reported where he made any threatening remarks...or did I miss something?

[FCMVP#30]

Originally Posted by Measure Man

What do you expect they would have found if they investigated him?

Unless he posted somewhere or told someone that he planned to open fire at Ft. Hood...what would they have found other than he seems a bit disgruntled and unwilling to deploy?

Alert CID because someone has an opinion against the war?

Like you said...there is a difference between freedom of speech and threatening speech. I haven't seen anything reported where he made any threatening remarks...or did I miss something?

It was more than just an opinion against the war. As as stated before, any one of those things he did raises eyebrows, but when you start asking questions you find out that he has become growingly angry about the GWOT to the point he openly argued with co-workers, made coments that muslims should fight back, it was possible that he was the one that equated suicide bombers to heros on a terroistic website. Who knows what else you would have found. maybe nothing, maybe something on his computer, maybe he didn't purchase the guns legally. Maybe if his command had been notified or gotten involved some may have just asked him if everything was ok or just kept a close eye on him. Now most of the investigation is being done after the horse is out of the barn 6 months after the FBI became interested in him.

[ringjamesa]

A lot of people raise questions all the time. There are a lot of current and former military members that are not supporters of our overseas operations. That doesn't mean you can pull their ID cards. Just because someone may sympathize with people we don't support mean that they are gonna come out with guns blazing anymore than you not liking those who vocalize their objections to the war means that you are going to go to an anti-war protest and open fire. The FBI is interested in a lot of people. Just because you are on a watch list doesn't make you a criminal. Obviously this guy was unbalanced and they should have done something to get him some help before he snapped but the fact that he went cukoo for cocoa puffs doesn't mean that everyone that has similar views will do the same...does it?

[garhkal]

Originally Posted by Measure Man

Well, because we have something in this country called "due process"

What would you like to see happen? He get discharged for his opinion? .

Hows about discharged for treason. He supported suicide bombers for christ sake. Also, according to the Beck show (radio) he even was cited by his commanders for trying to RECRIUT his patients to islam. Is that not against the regs? If so should that not have gotten him discharged.

[Texpat]

It's only OK in the chapels. Among Christians who openly wear their religion on their sleeve, but scoff at others doing the same.

[bb stacker]

i hope this piece of shit makes a full recovery. then they can build a gallows outside his cell while he watches and then march him out their to slowly strangle to death.