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Old 07-17-2008, 10:24 AM
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Default Backtalk: Don’t call this a battle uniform

The first time I heard about the airman battle uniform program, there was a glimmer of hope that the new uniform would be the answer to extensive after-market modifications of the current uniform.

The ABU was advertised as functional, updated and low-maintenance compared to the battle dress uniform. It just turned out not to be true.

If it was the intention of the Air Force to make a uniform that was distinctive and could easily be worn on casual Fridays at the office, they have succeeded. But, to call this an airman battle uniform is a fallacy.

For quite some time, airmen in the rescue, special tactics, TACP and security forces fields have modified their uniforms to make them more functional, but those are for field use only and never allowed in garrison.

BDUs are altered by putting the breast pockets on the sleeves and the waist pockets on the chest. In addition, Velcro goes all over the uniform for name tags, rank, blood type or glint tape. But those modifications were denied by in designing the ABU.

When it comes to being updated, here is another example of the program falling short.

The tiger-striped pattern was developed during the Vietnam War by the South Vietnamese Special Forces and adopted by American special operators and various aircrews. The original pattern was very good against the naked eye, but was dropped when it was discovered that the black stripes made the wearer easy to see with night-vision devices.

Some other good ideas were ignored, too.

Elbow and knee pad pockets are a huge leap forward in comfort compared to the old strap-on pads we’ve been using for years. It doesn’t matter if you’re loading bombs or on patrol, knee pads make life a little better.

Also, anyone who has ever been firing Air Force Qualification Course and had a hot 5.56mm casing drop down their neck can see why a closable collar should have been a no-brainer addition to the new uniform. In the Middle East, this type of collar would help against the friction caused by the body armor that everyone wears.

Also, why change the boots and T-shirts?

The current regulations allow for brown and black T-shirts with the BDU. Both could have remained to be worn with the ABU.

And if the currently issued tan/black boots were left as the authorized foot wear, the Air Force would have saved thousands of dollars, because they are already in the supply system. Plus, several companies make them, allowing people to buy their favorite type of boot, based on their own foot structure and job. As mentioned in the July 7, Air Force Times, the black boots could be for the maintainers and the suede for all others.

The only issue that is correct about the new uniform is the ease of maintenance; it is a true wash-and-wear uniform. I applaud the Air Force for not making airmen starch the ABU. Had that order not been given, it was only a matter of time before someone wanted it heavily starched and suddenly we’re all back to the old ways of doing things.

In conclusion, we have ended up with a uniform that is neither functional nor updated, but is low-maintenance.

This new uniform should have been designed around the needs of those who actually go outside the wire or work the flightline, not those who work in air conditioning.



Article: http://www.airforcetimes.com/communi...k_abus_072108/
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:29 AM
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Default Re: Backtalk: Don’t call this a battle uniform

The ABU has been and continues to be a waste of time and money. Whoever received the bullet, award, and/or promotion for this so called better uniform should have all benefits of such revoked and pay restitution to the Air Force for the blatant misuse and waste of money.
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Old 07-17-2008, 11:35 AM
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The ABU has been and continues to be a waste of time and money. Whoever received the bullet, award, and/or promotion for this so called better uniform should have all benefits of such revoked and pay restitution to the Air Force for the blatant misuse and waste of money.
Fighter pilots, who had no clue what was needed on the ground, along with their E-9 yes-men, approved it.

What else would you expect?
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Old 07-17-2008, 12:40 PM
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And nothing beats having then Sec Roche wear an ABU Tent...I mean uniform out to meet n greet the troops to show off the d@mn thing! Good Grief Charlie Brown!
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:11 PM
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Amen to all, New uniform is a waste. Focus should be on getting the pilots to wear thier uniform correctly. Sleeves pushed up, flight cap crunched down in back (when worn), t-shirts of what ever color strikes them and finally the un-authorized call sign name tags. Give me a break, Im waiting on the other shoe to drop and we have some accountability on the 0-6 & below.
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Old 07-17-2008, 02:25 PM
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It seems like nothing can get done until everyone has had a chance to stick their thumb in the pie. Why didn't we use the changes that TACP and SF make to their uniforms? Simple: no one would be able to take credit (bullets) for the already well-established ideas. Instead, the idea got passed around and everyone with a weak performance report that year said, "that looks good, but I want to add this little bit."

It has the stink of legacy about it as well. "I was the guy who changed the uniform" or "I was the guy who got us this new plane". Whatever ends up on my tombstone, I hope it reflects something other than a desperate need to be remembered.
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Old 07-17-2008, 03:42 PM
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The first time I heard about the airman battle uniform program, there was a glimmer of hope that the new uniform would be the answer to extensive after-market modifications of the current uniform.

The ABU was advertised as functional, updated and low-maintenance compared to the battle dress uniform. It just turned out not to be true.

If it was the intention of the Air Force to make a uniform that was distinctive and could easily be worn on casual Fridays at the office, they have succeeded. But, to call this an airman battle uniform is a fallacy.

For quite some time, airmen in the rescue, special tactics, TACP and security forces fields have modified their uniforms to make them more functional, but those are for field use only and never allowed in garrison.

BDUs are altered by putting the breast pockets on the sleeves and the waist pockets on the chest. In addition, Velcro goes all over the uniform for name tags, rank, blood type or glint tape. But those modifications were denied by in designing the ABU.

When it comes to being updated, here is another example of the program falling short.

The tiger-striped pattern was developed during the Vietnam War by the South Vietnamese Special Forces and adopted by American special operators and various aircrews. The original pattern was very good against the naked eye, but was dropped when it was discovered that the black stripes made the wearer easy to see with night-vision devices.

Some other good ideas were ignored, too.

Elbow and knee pad pockets are a huge leap forward in comfort compared to the old strap-on pads we’ve been using for years. It doesn’t matter if you’re loading bombs or on patrol, knee pads make life a little better.

Also, anyone who has ever been firing Air Force Qualification Course and had a hot 5.56mm casing drop down their neck can see why a closable collar should have been a no-brainer addition to the new uniform. In the Middle East, this type of collar would help against the friction caused by the body armor that everyone wears.

Also, why change the boots and T-shirts?

The current regulations allow for brown and black T-shirts with the BDU. Both could have remained to be worn with the ABU.

And if the currently issued tan/black boots were left as the authorized foot wear, the Air Force would have saved thousands of dollars, because they are already in the supply system. Plus, several companies make them, allowing people to buy their favorite type of boot, based on their own foot structure and job. As mentioned in the July 7, Air Force Times, the black boots could be for the maintainers and the suede for all others.

The only issue that is correct about the new uniform is the ease of maintenance; it is a true wash-and-wear uniform. I applaud the Air Force for not making airmen starch the ABU. Had that order not been given, it was only a matter of time before someone wanted it heavily starched and suddenly we’re all back to the old ways of doing things.

In conclusion, we have ended up with a uniform that is neither functional nor updated, but is low-maintenance.

This new uniform should have been designed around the needs of those who actually go outside the wire or work the flightline, not those who work in air conditioning.



Article: http://www.airforcetimes.com/communi...k_abus_072108/
Not mention this uniform, when worn, is as hot as Hades. The temps here lately haven't even topped 70F, but in the ABU, sweat is pouring down my back. I can't image what the poor folks downrange or other truly hot locations are going through in this thing. The extra interior fabric and pockets don’t help much, either.
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Old 07-17-2008, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: Backtalk: Don’t call this a battle uniform

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Amen to all, New uniform is a waste. Focus should be on getting the pilots to wear thier uniform correctly. Sleeves pushed up, flight cap crunched down in back (when worn), t-shirts of what ever color strikes them and finally the un-authorized call sign name tags. Give me a break, Im waiting on the other shoe to drop and we have some accountability on the 0-6 & below.
Hey now...I am a fighter pilot and I have been the most vocal champion of getting you guys a better uniform than the ABU. I am on your side. As for our crunched hats...just let us be please. Don't be a hater.
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Old 07-18-2008, 03:03 AM
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I have been the most vocal champion of getting you guys a better uniform than the ABU. .
You guys? You mean you don't wear an ABU/BDU, even on non-flying days?
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Old 07-18-2008, 04:11 PM
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You guys? You mean you don't wear an ABU/BDU, even on non-flying days?
Nope. Like it or not...pilots wear flight suits day in and day out. As an example, I flew four times this week and need to be ready to fly on any day at near moments notice. But, I won't try to justify me wearing my flightsuit. If it were up to me, I would let everyone wear flightsuits if it would make non-fliers happy. As for the ABU, are you saying that because I wear a flight suit that I should not stick up for those wearing the ABU as a primary uniform? Then, maybe I should keep my mouth shut and let you deal with it.
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