Is requesting mast career suicide?

[CommunityEditor]

OCEANSIDE, Calif. — For the better part of a year, then-Master Sgt. Isaac Ford traveled to local and regional recruiting stations, meeting with officer procurement recruiters and potential candidates, training recruiters and analyzing data on recruiting efforts and trends in the Western Recruiting Region.

Along the way, he shared this information with his boss, an officer who ran a four-person recruiting shop in California. What had been a normal working relationship, Ford said, began to change two years ago when he began to clash with that commander, often about his role and contributions and what he saw as her marginalizing and demeaning him.

Talks with her went nowhere, he said, and he got no relief from their immediate superiors. After he filed the first of two separate applications for requesting mast, his hopes of getting support from the commanding general fell flat, and he said the situation soon spiraled out of control.

Promoted to master gunnery sergeant, Ford was reassigned to a gunnery sergeant billet at the recruiting station level. The new position had little responsibility or training opportunities. His government credit card was cancelled.

A year went by with two missed fitness reports. His most recent eval — a backdated one — was adverse, his first in his 24 years on active-duty and in the reserves, most of it spent as a career recruiter.

What began as an attempt to get some relief via the Corps’ official request mast process turned into a nightmare of retaliation, whispers and fear that the command was “out to get him,” Ford said.

He’s not alone. Last year more than one in three enlisted Marines said they suffered “negative consequences” or retaliation from their command after using the request mast process, according to the latest Marine Corps Climate Assessment Survey. And even though few Marines overall sought this type of assistance, the amount of fallout warrants a renewed commitment to training, officials said.

But some Marines say the Corps needs to do more to convince them that requesting mast won’t come back to haunt them.

Ford says he was blackballed. He’d expected to get a quick resolution and get back to work, said one senior enlisted Marine familiar with the situation, “but he got the opposite. He got shot with both barrels.”

These days, the 43-year-old master guns is gunning to save his reputation, his career and his family’s health.

“I requested mast for the first time in my career,” Ford said. “Once I did that, it was the end of my career.”

The past 14 months “is like a bad dream,” he added. “It’s been one big hostile environment.”

A bad rap
Among active-duty enlisted Marines, 42 percent of men and 49 percent of women said they were retaliated against after they requested mast, the survey found. Among enlisted reservists, 33 percent of men and 70 percent of women said the same thing.

Ten percent of active-duty male officers and 80 percent of active-duty female officers said they, too, experienced some form of retaliation. Among reserve officers, the numbers were 35 percent for men and 100 percent for women.

The survey does not detail the type or level of retaliation those Marines reported.

The request mast policy is supposed to prevent retaliation, and the Navy directive that spells out its nuances promises punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice for “anyone who attempts to deprive a Marine of the right to Request Mast.”

The policy allows a Marine to seek help from, or air grievances to, any superior officer in the chain of command, up to the commanding general.

But the Climate Assessment Survey, which included responses from 6,800 participants, found that commands often viewed request mast unfavorably. Nearly 25 percent of active-duty enlisted Marines reported their “leadership gets upset when Marines at this command use request mast.” That rate was lower in the Reserve, where 17 percent of enlisted males and 11 percent of enlisted females said their leaders don’t support Marines who use the process.

More than 90 percent of the survey participants said they understood the request mast process, but only a small number — about 1 percent or 2 percent — reported using it in the previous year. While more Marines reported using informal ways to resolve their problems or complaints, negative sentiments about requesting mast remain a concern among Marine officials.

An executive summary of the survey noted Marines’ continuing negativity about request mast as one of the “areas to watch.”

“It’s promising that Marines use the Informal Resolution System to handle issues at the lowest levels, decreasing the need for request mast,” said Capt. Amy Malugani, a spokeswoman for Marine Corps headquarters in Washington. But “commands have to continue to be proactive in their training.”

Request mast policy and procedures are included in Marines’ annual training, but that’s not enough, Malugani said.

“Request mast procedures ... have to be posted at the command,” she added.

Tensions in the office
Once they’ve requested mast, Marines are not guaranteed that complaints will be settled in their favor. But what if the command that’s supposed to hear the complaint is the one that’s causing the problem? What if the chain of command fails to resolve the issue or dismisses a complaint by denying there’s a problem?

What if they turn the table on you for complaining?

That’s where Ford says he found himself after his first run-in with his officer-in-charge.

“It started out as just a little friction ... and I think it became personal, for her,” said the senior staff NCO, a colleague of Ford’s, who witnessed many interactions and incidents between Ford and his OIC. “After he voiced his opinions ... I think it was kind of the genesis of all of it.”

The situation created tension in the office, said another employee in the section.

“It was a stressful situation,” the observer noted. “Sometimes, it reflected in the atmosphere.”

Ford and the OIC were “a clash of personalities,” a situation sometimes made worse by the stresses of the recruiting mission.

The officer didn’t interact well with many enlisted Marines, said the senior staff NCO, who said he could see “the perfect storm” brewing and tried to help Ford navigate the process.

“The whole time I was watching this, at each step in the process, I could tell him what would happen.”

Ford fought through two mast requests, filed a complaint against his commanding officer under Article 138 of the UCMJ, petitioned several elected officials and complained to the Marine Corps Inspector General’s office.

But by then, the staff NCO said, the core issues became somehow lost in the discussions.

“When the command feels threatened, they start telling your story,” he said. “And that’s what happened to him.”

The tight-knit community of recruiters isn’t large, and there are few billets at the senior enlisted ranks. Ford was reassigned to a new job at the San Diego Recruiting Station, where he found himself in another tense work section under a different officer.

“Out of the frying pan, into the fire,” said the senior staff NCO. “Before he gets there, there’s whispers. ... It spirals out of control.”

But he believes Ford is doing the right thing.

“He’s a principled guy. It might sound a bit hokey, to be honest,” the staff NCO said. “But if he’s a master gunnery sergeant and he’s catching all this hell, there’s some lance corporal or corporal out there who doesn’t have a chance.”

Semper hopeful
For Ford, the adverse fitness report he recently received is the first blemish on what he describes as a good career and a clean record.

Ford was meritoriously promoted to sergeant while in Saudi Arabia during the Persian Gulf War and again to staff sergeant while recruiting in Columbia, S.C.

While he waits for any resolution from the IG’s office, he wants to get his career back on track from his current job as a “special assistant” at a more supportive command.

“I’ve been stopped from doing my job,” Ford said. “I have not worked in an E-8 billet or an E-9 billet since I requested mast.”

But he believes he can still contribute. The latest push by top officials, including Commandant Gen. James Conway, to improve the Corps’ minority officer recruiting is something that’s very familiar to Ford, who spent his 17 years in recruiting mostly working with officer procurement teams.

He wants to get back to training Marines and visiting contact teams, and finding new approaches to reach highly sought minority candidates. Still, the stress of it all has taken a toll on Ford and his family. He wonders about the impact on his sons.

One is in the military and will deploy to Iraq this fall, while the other soon will report to boot camp.

“I need to know that my sons … will have an expectation of the fairness and the equity which is denied me,” he said. “The system of redress in the Marine Corps is broken.”

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How it works
A beginner’s guide to request mast:

Q. What is request mast?

A. According to Marine Corps Order 1700.23F, it is “the right of all Marines to directly seek assistance from, or communicate grievances to, their commanding officers.” A Marine has “the opportunity to communicate not only with his or her immediate commanding officer, but also with any superior officer in the chain of command up to and including the Marine’s commanding general.”


Q. How do I request mast?

A. Fill out NAVMC Form 11296, detailing your problem or complaint along with the help or resolution you hope to get, and submit it to your immediate chain of command. You also can submit it directly to the Marine Corps Inspector General’s representative during an IG visit. The rep could resolve the problem or refer the request mast to your local command or Marine Corps Headquarters.


Q. Do I have to find some other solution first?

A. No. However, the Informal Resolution System might get you some immediate relief and prove sufficient.


Q. When can’t I request mast?

A. If you’re being involuntary separated, facing punishment under the Uniform Code of Military Justice, or if you have already filed a complaint under Article 138 of the UCMJ or Article 1150 of U.S. Navy Regulations.


Q. Can I send my request directly to the commandant?

A. No. In some cases, a Marine may be “granted the privilege” only if his commanding general supports and forwards the request mast application through the command chain up to the commandant or the Navy secretary. But that’s rare.


Q. How much do I have to tell my supervisors about my complaint?

A. According to NAVMC 1700.23F, “a Marine does not have to disclose the subject … to anyone in the chain of command except to the commander with whom the Marine is requesting mast.” However, the submission of an application often means others’ eyes are seeing your request, so brace yourself for scrutiny.

Q. What if my supervisors don’t support my request and don’t think I should request mast?

A. NAVMC 1700.23F is clear: “Any interference with a Marine’s right to request mast or any attempt of reprisal against a Marine who has requested mast is prohibited. No Marine may suppress, or attempt to suppress another Marine’s ability to conduct request mast. Any attempted violation or solicitation of another to violate this directive … subjects involved members to disciplinary action under Article 92 of the UCMJ.”


Article: http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news...tmast_092108w/

Of course requesting mast kills your career. The only question is how can one climb to the rank of MGYSGT and not know that?

[MACK0811]

Always two sides to every story. I'd like to know what kind of agenda this guy was pushing. His boss probably gave him a polite "no" the first time he wanted to do what ever it was, but because he couldn't let it go, he kept pushing until his command got fed up with it.

Even MGySgts work for someone with something shiny on their collar.

If a request mast is legit (and not whiney or dime dropping) then 99% of the time it doesn't hurt your career..well, maybe more like 90%.

I commend the MGySgt for having the fortitude to step up and put this subject on the table and out in the open. When I saw the cover of the latest MarineTimes, I just knew it was some story pertaining to Recruiting Duty. I myself recently went through a very similiar situation, at certain points my Commanding Officer completely ignored the Request Mast procedures. As Marines, we are given the right to send greivances through the informal complaint system and the Request Mast system, and have the same rights to not suffer retaliatory attacks for such complaints or greivances. Obviously the MGySgt did not commit any greivous offense that required NJP or Court Martial Proceedings. Something shiny on one's collar does not prohibit them from having spirited debate with senior enlisted who have been there and done that in the trenches. In my experience, and it certainly seems it from the article seen here, when Officers feel threatened they resort to the smear campaigns that we see illustrated here, and in my case and in this, don't have the nerve to face the Marine they set about to smear. Why did it take so long for the RS to complete the MGySgt's adverse fitrep? The same reason it took my Commanding Officer almost three months to complete mine. Lack of courage. The MGySgt is only the tip of the iceberg, and if someone chose to dig, I'm sure we would see that his is not a isolated incident.

Finally a story like this is shedding some light on the abuse of power in the Corps. It's time these "few" officers that like to put themselves high on a pedestal take a gut shot back down to reality. Not only are they hurting the Corps but their ruining lives too.

[Goldy]

Of course it can hurt your career.
Think about it.... requesting mast is like going to your CO, and telling him that everyone in your chain of command is unable or unwilling to do their jobs and fix issues. Do you really think the entire chain of command would pat a Marine on the back and say "good job" for pointing out their flaws?

...**** no, they'll try to ruin him for making them look bad.

I requested mast as a junior Marine... Bad decision career wise... Getting out for certain... The issues at hand WERE RESOLVED... But I got mine when it came time for PRO/CONS --- Below average on everything... Lower than some of the biggest pieces of crap I have worked with...

[ninebreaker]

I would say it depends on the command and how it plays out
if the command gets back doored , then yeah they are going to be looking to play you back with interest
if the problem is with the command , still the out come, nobody llikes their dirty laundry being aired out
but me personally would say if pushed , push back and push hard

[CSBurns]

Here is one of the big problems I have seen: Too many SNCO's are more concerned with getting shit on their chest and making sure they aren't getting bad fitreps. They should instead be more concerned with the welfare of their junior Marines and make sure that they themselves are doing their job to best of their abilities.

I saw so many dicked up SNCO's when I was a Sgt that I had to bite my tongue on numerous occasions. Now that I have that rocker I could give two sh*ts if I ever get another pretty little ribbon to go on my chest, instead I am focused on taking care of my Marines and abusing the hell out of that rocker to make sure they get taken care of, god help the jacked up officers when I pick up Gunny. Career suicide? Hell I am active reserve come try it I have already been to the worst duty station we have, what are they going to put on my fitrep? Cared too much about his Marines?


As long as I have the loyalty of my junior Marines, the respect of my fellow SNCOs and the ire of all the officers, I feel I am doing my job. Put what you want on my fitrep, at the end of the day I am still a SSgt.

We haven't got the complete story!!! As always the Marine Corps/Army Times not to tell the whole story unless it is a bad story to degrade the military.

However, I have been in 17 years, and in my expierence there are some Officers who have a "them vs us mentality". I went to OCS and found out that it works both ways when it comes to the treatment stated above. I have been told that I have an abrasive personality, but I only ask things to get accomplished. The ulitimate reason, I left the NCO Corps was due to the lack of responsibility afforded to Staff/Senior NCOs. I was still treated poorly and decided to change over.

The second reason I changed was the overall laziness in the NCO Corps, before you rant and rave, you know what I am talking about nine times out of ten you have one NCO doing 90% of the work while the rest of them don't measure up. You have some CSM telling you how to write NCOER or Fitness reports even though you have a turd in your platoon. If it were up to me I would get rid of the CSM rank, and make the company level a SGM position. What do they do other than make up BS and make up stupid rules and check the motorpool. I have become a little bitter since changing but NCOs tend to get defensive when you question them or ask them to do something. My fav is when I am told "Sir you are doing my job". I wouldn't have to do your job if you executed with violent action and gave me a heads up. This has nothing to do with the article, but it seems that all this site does is bash officers.

You had your choice you can change or get a direct commission or shut up and move out and execute orders when told to do so when they are morally right.

signed
disgruntled with the NCO corps