Banned in Okinawa

[CommunityEditor]

Absinthe and a host of other legally obtained substances have been outlawed by Marine officials in Okinawa. Why can’t the Corps trust you to be responsible?


Order: http://www.militarytimes.com/static/...prohibited.pdf

[USMC_8156]

Pretty funny, considering Absinthe has no mind altering effect. The concentrations are too low.

[KnoxRJ]

Absinthe and a host of other legally obtained substances have been outlawed by Marine officials in Okinawa. Why can’t the Corps trust you to be responsible?

Why? All one has to do is look at the number of Motorcycle incidents, the number of drug users that are on the rise, the number of traffic violations in cars in trucks, the number of alcohol related incidents, the number of assaults by service members. If you look at these numbers then one can answer the question themself.

[MACK0811]

Sorry, I had to put down the crack-pipe before replying........what was the question again?

[Proud Mom]

It's official, I'm old. I had to JFGI half the things listed on the memo.
Like Datura, it can kill and I never heard of it...as long as there are people there will be some who push that edge of the envelope of "legal" substances and use them. When an incident occurs they then become prohibited.

It is the Base commanders overall responsibility to try to keep the Marines under his Command safe.

And Absinthe is yucky, your not missing much there. LOL

[tvalks]

Why not also ban alcohol, caffeine, tobacco and any other mind altering substances. I believe far more problems are the result of alcohol abuse then any other substance. Technically couldn’t it be done under SECNAVINST 5300.28D “The unlawful use by persons in the DON of controlled substance analogues (designer drugs), natural substances (e.g., fungi, excretions), chemicals (e.g., chemicals wrongfully used as inhalants), propellants, and/or a prescribed or over-the-counter drug or pharmaceutical compound, with the intent to induce intoxication, excitement, or stupefaction of the central nervous system, is prohibited and will subject the violator to punitive action under the UCMJ or adverse administrative action or both."

[fox1302]

The ban in Okinawa is telling of the issues that occur there. Whether you agree with it or not, the conduct of too many Marines have led to these type of sanctions. Ultimately, it's a failure of small-unit leadership at the lowest level. It's embarassing that it has come to this and we brought it upon ourselves. The issues are probably just as bad at I and II MEF but there has to be a zero-defect mentality in Japan.

[KnoxRJ]

I am so sick and tired of hearing people blame the small unit leaders for every Marines' screw up. Years ago small unit leadership worked but in today's Corps it is bunk. When the Corps has the HQMC blessed SMP that allows single NCOs to go out and party with single junior Marines and you have individual rooms in which the CMC himself has said to let the single Marines run their own BEQ and blessed the reduced field days and reduced leadership presence in the BEQ, WHEN do we start holding the indivdual Marine responsible for their own shortcomings? When do we drop the hammer on them for screwing up? But no, we will keep coddling them with a pat on the butt and send them on their merry way and then slam the leadership for the individual's mess. I am not talking "zero defect mentality" but I am saying punish and punish hard those that screw up and make examples out of them so others will not even want to make the same mistake again. It is the HHQ leadership that is letting the Corps down not the small unit leader who can not be with every Marine every minute of the day and night.

[Rawr]

Absinthe no more unhealthy than other types of alcohaul with similar alcohaulic content.

This is a 100 year old myth that the uninformed are still buying into.

Someone in 1905 got drunk off of Absinthe and then tried to kill himself.... so now Absinthe is banned 103 years later?

True story, click here to read for yourself.

[wzgriffith]

According to Marine Corps Bases Japan and
III Marine Expeditionary Force Order 1050.7, the
Liberty Campaign Order, Marines and sailors E-3
and below, attached to Marine Corps units in Japan, may
not purchase, possess or consume hard alcohol, regardless
of their location. The order defines hard alcohol as a drink
with a 10 percent (20 proof) or greater alcoholic content.
The MCBJ/III MEF Order 1050.7, the Liberty Campaign
Order, can be accessed on-line at the MCB Camp Butler adjutant
SharePoint homepage at the following CAC-protected
site: https://wss.mcbbutler.usmc.mil/G1/Adjutant/default.
aspx. Under the directives links, click MCBJ/III MEF orders
and locate MCBJ/III MEF Order 1050.7.


This is the dumbest thing i've seen in a while. So what now? Lance Coolies and below get sippy cups with virgin tradition rum puch at warriors and mess nights? What kind of wimpy organization are are we going to turn into with all this ORM and safety stuff shoved down our throats? We told my Lt. that we were going to do some sparring and she made us give her an ORM brief and gave us a bunch of rules and guidlines. How are we supposed to maintain a warriors mindset when we're to scared to be aggressive. Marines are going to die because they'll hesitate on the trigger because their affraid of going to the brig.

It's not the "new Corps'" fault either. Its the poloticians (generals) we have in charge who are turning the Corps into some touchy-feely boyscout organization, and the Staff NCOs who don't have the stones to stop it.