Leaders meet at Pentagon to discuss PT changes

[VFFSSGT]

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...audit_010209w/

An Air Force-wide audit found the service’s fitness program is failing to keep airmen fit year-round.

Really? I would have never guessed it... Did we really need to waste money to determine this? Most of us already knew it and called the Air Force out on it.

The fitness program “did not effectively promote a healthy lifestyle,” and unit commanders did not give airmen enough time to work out while not cracking down on airmen who failed PT tests, according to a December report released by the Air Force Audit Agency.

Again, this is something we already knew... Someone said it earlier...The Air Force can never admit any wrongdoing without some type of investigation...

At the 50 units the auditors visited, 16 did not have a written policy that allowed time for group fitness activities or didn’t give airmen time during duty hours to work out.

I wonder if these commanders will be punished for not complying with AF policies and regulations...

Auditors also found problems with the airmen administering the PT test — especially the waist measurement portion.

The audit agency found many airmen were not as trim as their tests reflected when auditors compared waist measurement results from one year to another. With auditors monitoring the latest fitness tests, 17 percent of airmen had bigger waists without gaining any weight.

A waist measurement for one airman at Barksdale Air Force Base, Calif., went up five inches from the previous year, but curiously, he lost six pounds over that same year.

In response to the audit, Pacific Air Forces Commander Gen. Howie Chandler standardized who will administer the PT test in December, announcing all PT tests will be issued in PacAF by base health and wellness center staff members.

Yes, great answer! Put additional burdens and stress on a unit probably already undermanned and over worked versus punish the pencil whippers and publicize the consequences of such actions so people will not indulge in this practice. If it was Amn/NCO's it should be a minimum removal of 1 stripe and no suspended crap...I dunno what to do about officers...give them the boot maybe... Oh yeah, and the guy who accepted the fixed score should receive the same punishment plus additional punishment for failure to meet the standard. And we wonder why we have problems.

If you are going to do anything to prevent impropriety have personnel tested by PTL's from other squadrons versus their own, especially their own work center or flight.

[BigBaze]

Just get rid of the waist measurement and you got a level playing field. That way you don't have the people with 26 inch waists walking their 1.5 mile in 20 minutes and passing. The results of this survey are just what 95% of us have been screaming for years now

[S97Batess]

Really, the program doesn't work......naaawwwwwwwww, couldn't be.

It is too bad that the Air Force does not trust their NCOs enough to realize that they have been talking about this since the program was initiated. Imagine the money they would have saved on this audit if they just listened to their own NCOs........that is what an NCO is there for.....to find and correct things so that they work right.......maybe the leadership in this case should have just read here....they would have gotten the same result and saved enough to probably pay for those new people that are going to be the testers at those PACAF bases........baaaaah

[Combat correspondent]

I'll go WAY out on a limb here - how about extending the work day to minimum of 10-12 hours for ALL Airmen?????

Easy enough fix.

Here would be the "typical" dayshift:

0530 - report for mandatory PT M-F
0530-0630 - PT your @ss off until you almost vomit
0630-0730 - Personal time - get shower, change, bkfst...whatever!
0730 - get your @ss to work and not a minute late
0730 - mandatory formation w/ briefing and open ranks
0740-1630 - work your @ss off
1630 - mandatory retriet ceremony for portion of base, others continue to work
1730 - day shift is over, go home!

The shift could be varied for all shifts and AFSCs.

I know, its a novel concept, right! What do you know, we could do a full day of work, build comraderie and fit fitness in all in every day. Can't wait until I become the CMSAF!

[Combat correspondent]

Now will come the gropes and whines about maintenance and SF, etc...not having time! D@mn cry babies. I was maintenance and served 8 mos. as a SF augmentee....I'll tell you what...these bastards just need a boost in morale and some effective leadership and they could work the same shift as above - spread across 3 separate shifts. No problem! I guarantee it!

The problem is these lazy @ss people sit around for too much of their shifts whining about how they have to work a 12 hour shift - boo hoo! We all should work a 12 hours shift - and it should include PT, open ranks, etc. (as I mentioned above)!!!

[Smeghead]

Originally Posted by Combat correspondent

0530 - report for mandatory PT M-F
0530-0630 - PT your @ss off until you almost vomit
0630-0730 - Personal time - get shower, change, bkfst...whatever!
0730 - get your @ss to work and not a minute late
0730 - mandatory formation w/ briefing and open ranks
0740-1630 - work your @ss off
1630 - mandatory retriet ceremony for portion of base, others continue to work
1730 - day shift is over, go home!

This is not the Marine Corps, yet you seem insistent on making it so.

[Combat correspondent]

Nah, I know its not. Why is mandatory PT, mandatory open ranks, mandatory work and mandatory retreat a significantly Marine Corp attribute? Not sure I follow you there! It would make ALL Airmen a bit better, tighter knit and motivated.

[VFFSSGT]

I'll go 10-12 hours a day...with only four days a week for the "normal" or "typical" work schedule... I believe we would be much more effective and efficient that way too.

[Capt Alfredo]

Originally Posted by Combat correspondent

Nah, I know its not. Why is mandatory PT, mandatory open ranks, mandatory work and mandatory retreat a significantly Marine Corp attribute? Not sure I follow you there! It would make ALL Airmen a bit better, tighter knit and motivated.

The problem is that people didn't join the *Air Force* to do hooah stuff like that. I can just see how 70-hour weeks would go over with our families. It's one thing to do constant 12s deployed where there is no family, but stateside that would be a deal-breaker. Add in the fact that people sometimes live a good distance from base and you're pretty much taking people's families away from them. I can tell you that retention would PLUMMET.

[Capt Alfredo]

Originally Posted by VFFSSGT

I'll go 10-12 hours a day...with only four days a week for the "normal" or "typical" work schedule... I believe we would be much more effective and efficient that way too.

Yes, if we all worked the Panama schedule, then I'm down with the 12-hour experiment.