First look at new PT uniform

[CommunityEditor]

The prototype includes a gold T-shirt and blue shorts combination. The shirt is emblazoned with the word “NAVY” on the back in safety reflective letters and the official Navy seal on the front left breast. The blue shorts also have gray reflective safety stripes on them, as well as the Navy seal on the left leg.

The uniform was met by applause from the collection of command master chiefs, career counselors and other fleet leaders who got the sneak peek.

The master chiefs who did the briefing warned the audience not to expect the uniform in any sea bag tomorrow, as testing and evaluation — including determining the exact materials it will be made of — still continue. Still, a final proposal to Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Mullen seeking approval appears imminent, sources said.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/06/navy_ptuniform_070628w/


Take a peek --

[Unregistered]

lame, just like every other uniform we have.

[BEDEREST]

This is going to be a hoot! Navy SEALS won't wear it. What's wrong with a white t-shirt (form the NEX, and a pair of UDT shorts?
This is way over the top. This new MCPON is filled with an overwleming sence of sence of self importance. Is the cloathing allowance going to pay for it?? Will there be an increase in said allowanceme
I changed uniforms 3-times while I was on active duty -- and NEVER did get reimbursed!
Pat your back pocket, because that's where the money is going to come from

[Unregistered]

Its obvious a Master Chief had somthing to do with the look, its ugly and I would be embarrased to wear it..

[Unregistered]

I hope this is a joke, they are just messing with us right?

[Unregistered]

If they're going to go with this at least learn from the AF's complaints and make the shorts longer.

[Unregistered]

If they're going to go with this at least learn from the AF's complaints and make the shorts longer.
Why, so they can get in the way when running... you know, that thing your supposed to do to pass the PRT...

These aren't basketball shorts, their running shorts... get over it...

[Unregistered]

Its obvious a Master Chief had somthing to do with the look, its ugly and I would be embarrased to wear it..
Their better than the current PT wear we have...

I would have to assume from your comment that you have no NAVY PRIDE !!

[Unregistered]

Had a PRT last month on an AF base. I must admit, our USN contingent looked like a bunch of mis-matched slack jaws (over 30 sailors, too).

I don't mind this design. I like it more than the white shirt idea.

This kit is decent and I'd rather we *finally* get a PT uniform squared away instead of scatching our kittens whining about color schemes.

[Unregistered]

Why, so they can get in the way when running... you know, that thing your supposed to do to pass the PRT...

These aren't basketball shorts, their running shorts... get over it...
It's not just for running. They want a PT uniform people will proudly wear while exercising like the other services. Yes, the shorts should be a bit longer because most sailors today do not have muscular, ripped bodies like SEALS. Many second class and above have pudgy bodies and will look pretty silly in short shorts. Not to mention women won't want to see men's balls hanging out when doing sit ups, push ups, etc.

Overall, IMO it's not a bad uniform. Would be better if the T-shirt had reversible colors say gold on one side and light blue on the other.

[Unregistered]

the bottom line is some Admiral and Politician will/would make a bunch of money for the expense of the underpaid Sailors.

[Unregistered]

I like the new uniform, its colors and style. It's not perfect, but it's better than what we have now. If they pick the right material, I think it will be a winner. The Army had the right idea when they came out with theirs, but the gear looks pretty sad after some wear and tear. The Air Force had a good idea with their design pattern and I give them kudos for that.

While I am currently in the Navy, I have served in the Army and the Air Force and I can tell you that as a Navy member, I am tired of us looking like a bunch of civilians who just washed up on shore. Is there anyone out there who does not believe that Navy whites are the sharpest uniform in existence? We should have a PT uniform that says the same thing.

As for the following negative comments made by prior contributors.....

"lame, just like every other uniform we have". Since you think all our prior uniforms are lame, then your opinion really has little value to this subject. You’re dismissed!

"Navy SEALS won't wear it. What's wrong with a white t-shirt (form the NEX, and a pair of UDT shorts". News flash! Navy SEAL's make up only a small % of the total Navy force and for your information, not everyone wants to be a SEAL. So why should we to wear UDT's.

"Its obvious a Master Chief had something to do with the look, its ugly and I would be embarrased to wear it."
I'm guessing that you never had what it takes to achieve MC status? Enough said!

[Unregistered]

Very nice. We need a PT uniform. Many Sailors I see in the gym have rips, tears, etc., in their gym clothes. A uniform for PT is a good idea.

[Unregistered]

the gold and short shorts is ugly and a target. I'm currently serving in my tthird IA. I were a grey t-shirt with NAVY across the front with dark blue shorts. everytime i'm at the gym i get asked were they can get the t-shirt and shorts. I do believe it looks good and sailors will were it. they only thing my short are missing is NAVY stitched on them and the T-shirt is missing some reflective tape. like a big N on the left front side and NAVY in reflective lettering across the back.

[Unregistered]

- "Better than what we have" is not a reason to accept what appears to be a poor product.
- The underlying point about the Master Chiefs is that I do not trust them to pick out clothing that looks good.
- We should have an open competition where sailors themselves offer design proposals and the sailors get to vote on what looks good. This would be better than having old folks (I am almost in this category myself) design what they think looks good.
- Another option is to just borrow from the athletic wear of other collegiate/pro sports programs that use similar colors. I see lots of people wearing the USNA stuff at the gym (no, I'm not an academy grade) so why not just use their design and drop the "A" so it all reads USN or replace USNA with with NAVY.
- Also, we don't all have to have the same cut shorts. I prefer shorts that do not go below my mid thigh but high enough to prevent "chub rub" (I have muscular legs). If someone wants shorts that touch the knees they should be available but I will not wear them. If "they" push out shorts that are too long on me I will pay out-of-pocket to have them shortened.
- I seriously doubt that they would mandate it to be worn in the gym. If they do I will pay to go to a gym out in town.

- The bottom line is that there has to be something better out there than what I see being proposed.

I WILL GO OUT OF MY WAY TO AVOID WEARING THAT DESIGN. IT'S FLAT-OUT UGLY. PERIOD.

[FlyingBoatGuy]

So far, just about all of you are a bunch of knuckleheads. You're naive like we've never had a change to the PT uniform - I've seen at least four different styles issued to Boots in the last couple years.

What are you all worried about? So what if a new, PT uniform comes out? - even if it looks gay! Its not like your Navy, your Command or your Chief's going to force you to buy it! You really think your going to see a change in the Navy's embarrassing attitude towards PT? I don't think so. Thats where the problem lays - the Navy chain-of-commands lack of enforcement, promotion & support towards exercise, from the Chiefs to the CNO, maintenance comes first. Failure in adequate leadership.

Yeah, a group of Navy PT'ing does typically look like a fashion gaggle - compared to the Army, but how often do you see a large group of Navy working out together, hah! (other than remedial PT!)

This is just another unenforced change to the sea bag that everyone will forget about in a couple months.
So quit your whining!

PS: The SEALs wont wear them..? White tee's and UDT shorts? Sounds like somebody's a wannabe. When you reference "UDT" shorts, junior, your talking about the tan ones - and they're not PT shorts - when they came out a couple hundred years ago they were intended for dive-ops. If you've worked out in them a few times, you'll never want to wear them again. Only NSW students are made to wear them.

[Unregistered]

Speaking of cheesy, dig the logo on the shorts...a little busy or what? Why not also embroider the names of every active duty member across the butt, since there's some room there?

Glad I'm no longer subject to these kind of whims, forced to do stupid things so some yes-man can get his next star. (Sorry if that applies to any of you who gave positive reviews.) Anybody remember "Total Quality Leadership?..."

[Unregistered]

Longer shorts are in order! Keep John Stockton's shorts where they belong: retirement.

[Unregistered]

I am retired, and I think the Navy needs to get back to the original uniform. When aboard ship storage is a problem and with all these different uniforms it is going to make it harder for the Sailors. I spent 22 years in the Navy and I seen nothing wrong with the uniforms, Except that a working uniform needed to be designed so it could be worn to and from work. (no shopping in uniform).

[ddbrown]

I personally like the proposed PT gear and would wear it proudly.

[Unregistered]

PT uniform? PT uniform? That sounds like "what colors would you like to be buried in" Pure BS.
I got out of the Navy in 82, so I realize that I date myself. You should train in your combat uniform, be it red, green (OD type), white( like the dummy Brits in the revolutionary war), or WHATEVER. Unit integrity is one thing, dying is another. The first rule of combat is THERE ARE NO RULES. Live or die. This argument sounds like some ring knocker wants to hurt their people at the expense of their 'integrity'. The first rule of leadership is FOLLOW me. I learned in my time in that occifers will not lead, but demand everything, including your life, from you, and you get to die in return and a couple of 'so sorry ' words in your behalf. They are not to sorry to send some one else instead of themselves.That is what the US military does. Always has.

As an American,and a military brat who could not wait to get away from the green machine( I joined the Navy, go figure), I have found the recent events disturbing. I have no problem putting my self up for duty( though I have been told that I am 'too old'). I can still hit a moving target at 400 meters on open sites. With a .30 cal weapon. bolt action.
If you want to wear a pink tutu, hey, go for it.You'll be dead before the sun sets.
The argument about the gold & blue is a waste of time. And energy.

You guys (and gals) need to think seriously about your own survival, and you do what YOU THINK NECESSARY about your own survival. Running away is one, but consider that you gave your word, just like I did. Your word is ALL you have. I stayed to my own bitter end. But during my own time, what to die for?Panama? Haiti?--gimme a break. Enough of my rant.

I wish you all the best of luck and USE YOUR HEADS. You must act in your own interest, because the US military will not act in it for you.

[Unregistered]

Those puppies sure arent going to help squash the "Raibow warrior" rumors about sailors. Do we need to give marines more reasons to call us names?

[Unregistered]

G...g.....gggg GAY!!!!!! Honestly MCPON or CNO dont ASK us if we like these or TELL us to wear them.

[Unregistered]

For Aplenty of Good Grievances You Must Enjoy No Sex Habits Over Relaxin The Slacks.

[Unregistered]

Issues that should be of precedence...surely not better body armor..or the issues with veteran medical care...inventing more queer like PT shorts should probably be at the top of our priorty. KUDOS to our CoC WTF over!!!

[Unregistered]

There once was a point to be had
It mad many officers sad
We all dont look the same boo hoo
No matching uni's for PT what to do
I know said the khaki up front
Lets gay them up so the all look like...You can figure out the rest you sorry SOB"S

[Unregistered]

Dear lord help deliver us from evil as we are surely on the brink of QUEERMAGEDON!!!

[Unregistered]

Their better than the current PT wear we have...

I would have to assume from your comment that you have no NAVY PRIDE !!

Like a few posts before a white t shirt and UDT shorts are just fine. This Navy pride stuff is way over the top and is like a commercial. Maybe they need a long sleeve and swats version for cold weather.

[Unregistered]

I think we should wear UDT shorts with BDU tops while eating MRE's ASAP!!!

[Unregistered]

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[Unregistered]

I think having a uniform appearance would be greatly beneficial to our image. However as many readers have already stated it would be nice if they weren't something sailors arent going to be proud to wear. Obviously you cannot please everybody, but those shorts are a bit to short and yellow(Gold substitute) shirt is about as in the wrong direction as one could go with this. Perhaps a vote or contest as suggested by a previous subscriber. Where actual deckplate sailors can design or test uniforms to get feedback prior to instituing a new mando pt uniform.

[Unregistered]

I am all for standardized PT gear as long as they keep it simple. It appears to be over-engineered. I will take my marching orders and wear it when directed, however, I would never were this proposed gear on my own. The emblem needs to go away and just say "NAVY" or "USN". What would be wrong with simple navy blue shorts and gray shirts? Whatever finally selected I hope they offer different cuts AND different materials. If I want a cotton shirt I should be able to wear cotton. If I want dry-fit type material that should also be available.

[jeffersj]

I've scrolled through the four pages on this thread and reviewed the comments. While I will not reply to all in depth here are mine:

1. It's about time the Navy had a mandatory physical training uniform for ALL HANDS to wear during command PT and the PFA. It has been rather embarrassing to see kids in junior high school looking sharper than us in this regard. No reason SEALS, divers, etc., can't wear it for PT and then change into their local working uniform afterwards.

2. I doubt rather seriously this uniform was designed in a vacuum by a Master Chief or anyone else.

3. What's the deal with the baggy shorts - are you trying to look like you're in the NBA?

4. What's wrong with using our service colors?

5. One person mentioned having a working uniform you can commute in. Suggest you go back and review uniform regulations as well as your local instructions. You just might be surprised.

The proposed uniform is by no means perfect. However, you have to start somewhere. While I would prefer the high-tech fibers for moisture control and comfort, we will probably go to the old stand-by of cotton as I doubt seriously the majority of Sailors in the fleet would be willing and able to care properly for anything else.

[Unregistered]

I am all for Navy Pride and all that, but the yellow shirt is killing me...does anyone else wear such bright colors. I say, keep the white shirt and the new shorts, just make them a little longer. You know running is not all you do in these shorts (I remember push/sit ups on the PFA too). Where I am, we buy our shorts at Target/Walmart and just wear the PT shirt, no one wants to wear the shorty shorts! Also, I dont know about you, but my white shirs used to get extremely filthy playing higher contact sports or running in the rain/mud, and with the white shirts you can always bleach them with NO effect (my wife does it all the time), i am pretty sure the same cannot be said for the neon yellow.

[Unregistered]

Not bad looks just like what Genuine Chiefs wear during our special time of year. So I don't think it’s too original of a design.

[ddbrown]

Where is your Blue and Gold Navy Pride?

I am a 3rd generation Navy man and will proudly wear the Blue and Gold!

[ddbrown]

I am all for Navy Pride and all that, but the yellow shirt is killing me...does anyone else wear such bright colors. I say, keep the white shirt and the new shorts, just make them a little longer. You know running is not all you do in these shorts (I remember push/sit ups on the PFA too). Where I am, we buy our shorts at Target/Walmart and just wear the PT shirt, no one wants to wear the shorty shorts! Also, I dont know about you, but my white shirs used to get extremely filthy playing higher contact sports or running in the rain/mud, and with the white shirts you can always bleach them with NO effect (my wife does it all the time), i am pretty sure the same cannot be said for the neon yellow.


Actually yes....I know multiple sailors and marines who wear bright colord shirts while doing PT

[Dick Afflis]

What is wrong with just a simple "Haze Gray and underway" gray tee shirt and shorts similar to what the army wears. Have, Navy on the leg and back of the shirt above the breast or where ever. Just something simple but uniform. The Army has a simple PT uniform and you can buy them in the NEX/PX made out of cotton easy to maintain. I actually see a lot of Navy dependents buying and wearing the Army hooded sweatshirt around the Navy Base I live near. I always work with the KISS philosophy when doing something and for an issue as simple as a uniform for physical training it seems there is way to much time spent on it, by to many high ranking enlisted and officers when there really is more pressing issues, such as all the perverts and incompetents being promoted to positions of authority.

[Unregistered]

What is wrong with just a simple "Haze Gray and underway" gray tee shirt and shorts similar to what the army wears. Have, Navy on the leg and back of the shirt above the breast or where ever. Just something simple but uniform. The Army has a simple PT uniform and you can buy them in the NEX/PX made out of cotton easy to maintain. I actually see a lot of Navy dependents buying and wearing the Army hooded sweatshirt around the Navy Base I live near. I always work with the KISS philosophy when doing something and for an issue as simple as a uniform for physical training it seems there is way to much time spent on it, by to many high ranking enlisted and officers when there really is more pressing issues, such as all the perverts and incompetents being promoted to positions of authority.

So you've met the CMC of Navsta Bremerton eh?

[Unregistered]

Apparently some folks have failed to read the MCPON and the CNO's direction on this, the unified PT uniform is an attempt to provide the sailor with a PT uniform that is not an embarassment to the Naval Services and to provide Navy personnel with a uniform that we can wear with pride and that is a complement to our existing seabags. Taking the lead from our brother services the uniform should be comfortable and durable. The little bun-hugging running shorts of old, or UDT shorts, are not only unprofessional they are extremely immodest (let's not forget that these uniforms will be worn by service members of both genders).

I applaud the efforts of senior leadership to provide us all with a PT uniform that we will want to wear in our off time (one of the original requirements for the uniform echoed the idea that the PT uniforms of other services are frequently seen being worn by servicemembers during their off-duty hours, a testament to their comfort and utility.

I must however point out a glaring oversight. The use of a Yellow shirt is not necessarily the best choice. I would recommend a Navy Blue shirt with Yellow lettering. This is for two reasons, 1)Navy blue hides dirt better than Yellow, last time I checked, some areas of the Navy that we PT in are a little dirty and 2)a great many units use the traditional "Blue and Golds" t-shirts to foster unit cohesiveness and esprit de corp, this would allow units to maintain a "uniform" Navy appearance while allowing for some unit level individuality.

Of course some will argue that there should be no such thing as "individuality" within a uniform. I would say that would be the definition of "splitting hairs".

[ddbrown]

I applaud the intelligent post

[Unregistered]

How about we do like NASCAR and have paid sponsors all over our uniforms that way we could afford parts for our ships and some frikin HAZMAT.

[Unregistered]

That shirt is not gold. its yellow. like cheap mustard yellow

Navy Under Armour Full Tee (Carbon Grey)
http://www.navygear.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=UNDER-ARMOUR-18&Category_Code=UNDER-ARMOUR&Product_Count=12

Under Armour Navy Micro-Short
http://www.navygear.com/store/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=UNDER-ARMOUR-10&Category_Code=UNDER-ARMOUR&Product_Count=19

This along with dark blue/khaki colored warmups would look decent. Any of these synthetic sweat wicking fabrics would be best. They might be more expensive initially but they last longer than a cotton shirt that will just fade and wear with time. Theres no special maintenance, you just throw it in the wash like anythign else.

No offense to the Master Chief, but his experience and service hasnt translated into any fashion sense.

[Unregistered]

are we going to have to wear this for just pt or every time we go to the gym too.?

[Unregistered]

Blue shorts with Blue T-shirts with NAVY in gold on the front left breast? Odd we already have these items at the NEX everywhere! Soffe makes several lengths of shorts and always have. Why does this have to be so friggin' complicated?! The Marines have green-on-green with an Eagle, Globe , and Anchor. It works follow the lead(ers), and by the way we are not the Army or the Air Force, LOSE THE REFLECTIVE GARBAGE! Also don't assume we shouldn't have real uniforms for PT because maybe if we did the 3 mile a year club and those describing themselves and others as "pudgie" would get some self respect and look good in the Navy regs, oh sorry, uniforms!

[Unregistered]

Not everyone is stationed in Hawaii or San Diego. Even Mayport gets chilly in the mornings. Where is the proposed cold weather gear?

[Unregistered]

How much time and money did the other services spend in this process? What was their process?

[Unregistered]

Looks like high school PE clothing. Do what should have been done w/ the NEW BDUs. Put it out for the sailors to design, and work w/ those ideas. But I'll agree. PT gear is needed badly.

[Unregistered]

The focus should be on PT, not the clothing. If only there was this much "enthusiasm" put into maintaining personal physical fitness standards, vice commenting on the clothing worn while maintaining thosse standards.

[Unregistered]

Yet another ugly Navy PT uniform. Yellow shirt? We look like a grade school P.E. class! At least make it a blue shirt with gold letters.

[Unregistered]

To me, the new PT uniform says, "In the Navy, we may not be the best at PT, but we certainly are the brightest."

[jeffersj]

The focus should be on PT, not the clothing. If only there was this much "enthusiasm" put into maintaining personal physical fitness standards, vice commenting on the clothing worn while maintaining thosse standards.

No argument on the focus on PT.

It may look like a high school PE uniform, but then I'm sick and tired of seeing high school students look better than us.

As to the comment about wearing it to the gym, as I understand it this would be mandatory for command PT and the PFA only. If you want to wear it off-duty it would be your option.

[Unregistered]

I'll be leaving for basic training in a few weeks what difference does it make what we wear, be glad you're one who gets the Honor to wear it, instead moan and gripe , oh it looks like baby poop yellow, looks fine to me, WERE not there for a fashion show,

[Unregistered]

Bottom Line - this uniform won't make us PT longer or more often, but ALL Sailors need both. The willingness to PT and pride in our Service should overcome whatever our PT gear looks like. By the way, I like the design - the ACE - and the colors reflect our Navy.

[Unregistered]

The obvious reason for the highly visible yellow shirt and the highly visible reflective markings is so you survive those dawn and twilight runs along the roadside. Drivers can't miss you if they can't see you. So, I think that part is a good idea. My personal preference would be for a light gray or dark blue shirt, however - much sharper looking. Whatever happened to the two-color reversible blue/yellow T-shirts? That arrangement was terrific for squad sports, which add real variety to any command P program.

[Navy Guy]

Bright is good! let them know we are coming!
I think these are cool looking and sets us appart.
The previous white shirts used to get dirty really fast, and after a few washes, their only good to clean kitchen counters.

Go Navy!

[Unregistered]

Wear tested by Master Cheifs and other enlisted leaders? When was the last time you saw a Master Chief PT'ing? Please. This stuff should be tested by the people that wear it most.... young enlisted troops. So many times our uniforms are tested and evaluated by people that dont have to wear them.

[Unregistered]

I think the Navy is waisting too much time on such little things as uniforms, how about trying to fix the problems with things like BAH, BASIC PAY, WAR ON TERROR! Lets face it whatever the decisions will be the uniforms will always be ugly! I have yet to see any good looking uniform yet except for maybe the Marines have 1 dress uniform that looks good, the rest are ugly and ours are the worst! The new uniforms they are coming out wih for next year are worse than the ones we already have. I think the FLEET should decide and have the final decision what uniforms we will wear not some old salt who wont even be required to wear it in the first place. Yes they did do a test period with the new uniforms and recieved SOME feedback but MOST of the Sailors never did get a chance for their opinions to be heard.

[Unregistered]

The PT gear is a little bright for my taste. The blue shorts are fine but the yellow t-shirt is a bit much. It's not supposed to be a fashion statement, it's a PT uniform. How about your basic gray shirt with Navy on the front and maybe reflective tabs on the back of the sleeves on the cuff for added visibility on those early a.m. run sessions? KISS, keep it simple sailor. Suggestion on the shorts: a pocket big enough to carry one's ID card as many base gym's require ID at check in. Also, let's not make them too short/too long. Just at/above the knee should satisfy a happy medium for the older/younger generations.

[Unregistered]

I'll be leaving for basic training in a few weeks what difference does it make what we wear, be glad you're one who gets the Honor to wear it, instead moan and gripe , oh it looks like baby poop yellow, looks fine to me, WERE not there for a fashion show,

Get some time in the Navy and then come back with a REAL opinion

[Unregistered]

To me, the new PT uniform says, "In the Navy, we may not be the best at PT, but we certainly are the brightest."

LOL! So true......

[Dick Afflis]

The people who decided this is the new PT uniform must be the same people who 30 years ago SERIOUSLY considered using this song as a recruiting tool,until somebody clued them in.

Where can you find pleasure
Search the world for treasure
Learn science technology
Where can you begin to make your dreams all come true
On the land or on the sea
Where can you learn to fly
Play in sports and skin dive
Study oceanography
Sign of for the big band
Or sit in the grandstand
When your team and others meet

In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can't you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)


They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

If you like adventure
Don't you wait to enter
The recruiting office fast
Don't you hesitate
There is no need to wait
They're signing up new seamen fast
Maybe you are too young
To join up today
Bout don't you worry 'bout a thing
For I'm sure there will be
Always a good navy
Protecting the land and sea

In the navy
Yes, you can sail the seven seas
In the navy
Yes, you can put your mind at ease
In the navy
Come on now, people, make a stand
In the navy, in the navy
Can't you see we need a hand
In the navy
Come on, protect the motherland
In the navy
Come on and join your fellow man
In the navy
Come on people, and make a stand
In the navy, in the navy, in the navy (in the navy)


They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

Who me?

They want you, they want you
They want you as a new recruit

But, but but I'm afraid of water.
Hey, hey look
Man, I get seasick even watchin' it on TV!

They want you, they want you in the navy

Oh my goodness.
What am I gonna do in a submarine?

They want you, they want you in the navy

How GAY do you want to be?

[Unregistered]

I think we need to look at the service academies and have a similar design. I know the Naval Academy was a white shirt with a blue rim around the neck and sleeves with their crest over their heart. They have navy blue shorts that would actually be a great example for what the Navy should adopt with the PT Uniform.

The Yellow shirt is a bit too much. I agree with several postings that it looks too much like a CPO PT outfit. A Gray shirt would be good because you could actually get sailors to wear it when they are not PTing.

That should be a factor when deciding this uniform, will sailors wear it when they are not PTing? Nope. Then change the design.

In the end we will spend hundreds of thousands of dollars which could be better utilized elsewhere.

[Unregistered]

The current PT uniform is in dire need of replacement. I don't know of anyone who willingly wears it to PT on their own. Either a white T shirt or the plain old gray T shirt with NAVY on the front in black and a pair of dark blue running shorts is the best I've seen. The gray shirt doesn't stain from doing calistenics in the dirt or grass and it makes a statement without being a big shiny embarrassment to wear. I don't see why NAVY has to be on the shorts. A plain synthetic pair of dark shorts fits the bill perfectly. The Marine PT uniform is the classiest and the most utilitarian one I know of and there are no "shiny" letters on the shorts or the shirts. We do need a uniform for PT, and it needs to be something we are proud to wear. If we had a PT uniform we were proud to wear, maybe organized PT would catch on with Chiefs and above and we wouldn't have so many fat sailors.

[Heather]

I love fitness, and I wouldn't mind a uniform that concentrated on performance. Why waste time painting the duck another color when after everything you've done...it's still a darned duck!
Here's my complaint:
One:....everyone gets to wear the gold of the chiefs now...next thing you know you'll be taking away our khakis, oh yeah, you already are...
Two: This is my big heartache about the 'new' uniform. It's no better than the other PT wear. We have advances in technology which I would love to take advantage of in a new PT uniform. Those of us who are serious runners spend more time in them and enjoy the use of underarmor and other PT gear that wisks the sweat away on your 3, 10, or 20 miler. Make something that is serious-fitness minded or at least an upgraded option that we can buy if we want. I know they mentioned other parts to the gear, why not include one for those us who want to PT? I love running on base, but I won't anymore if it means I have to wear substandard gear when I am training for my next marathon. Show us you are serious about PT too, not just how it looks. We have too many individuals sweating how it looks already, I do what I do for performance.

[Unregistered]

The new PT uniform doen't look that bad. Some of the comments I've read have to be some of the funniest I've seen in a long time. Keep up the complaints and comments. Others can learn and use your inputs.

[Unregistered]

I was under the impression that this rash of uniform changes was driven by the idea that it would lighten the amount of items in the sea bag. This will only add to the amount. I believe we already have a few sets of clothes that can be work to make a decent PT uniform, the gray with Navy on the front and some blue shorts would be great and you can buy them at the NEX. The proposed uniform on this site is ugly, if they wish to propose a PT uniform then have the Sailors submit their input like with the uniform changes a few years ago. Also, there is a standard by which we can follow, what the command wants. Of course they can not make you buy PT uniforms (yet) as they are not a sea bag item (the ones issued in boot camp you are not given an allowance for upkeep and they are a one time deal) but if the command would give guidelines (blue or gray shorts certain length, blue, yellow, gray, or white shirts ) then this would also allow for more leeway in what you can have for a uniform. I would also miss the command t-shirts that some forward thinking commands already have. I do not subscribe to "they Army and everyone else has a uniform, we should have one too" mentality either. At a command where I do have to have a "PT" uniform because we work with the Army, we wear blue shorts and brown T-shirt, same shirt we wear in our DCUs. Love it, dual purpose. IF we need a PT uniform at all, why not a blue or gray t-shirt that we can also wear with the new blue cammies that everyone will have to wear, that way it will kill two birds with one stone and lessen the sea bag as well and commands can tailor it with their own designs.

[Unregistered]

Looks like a basketball uniform. I would wear it on a basketball court. Blue shorts and a tee shirt would do just fine

[G21CHAOS]

Thank God I'm Retired, Need To Hire Someone With Some Fashion Sense, Another Out Dated Uniform To Deal With.
Ad1

[Unregistered]

Why do we need a PT unifrom? I can't see any good reason, many commands already have some sort of policy or rule about the clothing to be worn at command PT such as a command tee-shirt, etc. Solve problems at the lowest level. Well maybee, some Master Chiefs really need some FIRREP bullets like those who came before them who proposed the blue-gray BDU type uniform to replace the coveralls which worked just fine. Wern't you supposed to be able to get those a little dirty and have some set in stains when they first came out, then the crack downs began (mainly by Chiefs) and then you had an inspection set of coveralls, then all had to be clean with no stains etc. I see the same thing happening with the blue-gray BDU the of unifrom. The PT unifrom is more of the same, a bunch of CMC's with way too much time on their hands not down on the deckplate level helping taking care of real problems faced by real sailors. I'm waiting for them to implement this and then see a Chief start getting on one of his people and tell them to go buy a new tee-shirt becasue they have a ground in grass stain.

[Unregistered]

When is the Navy going to learn...it's NOT about a PT uniform. It's about the PT. It's about just getting out there and DOING it. All the fancy uniforms and "programs" that get reinvented every few years have done NOTHING to increase the physical readiness of the Navy overall. To increase cardiovascular health...you have to HIT THE PAVEMENT. For strength you have to HIT THE WEIGHTS. Nothing difficult about understanding this. PT! GIVE ME SOME!!!!!

I can understand the "small boys" presenting a problem but the big decks and the Gator Boats....plenty of room to run and lots of weight training available. The sailors on the small boys just have to be more creative and take the extra initiative to do what needs to be done.

Semper Fi,
CWO5 Steve Lind, USMC, Ret
Pensacola, FL
stevelind@aol.com

[Unregistered]

but what about seabees. we already have a set PT uniform. brown shirts and blue shorts. you can leave us out.

[Unregistered]

I have faith that the sailors in my Navy will reject this stuff. However, I do not have faith that the decision makers will listen to them.

[Unregistered]

Well i dont even wear the current PT uniform to begin with...my command doesnt quite care what i wear...just as long as i pass my PRT.
AO3

[Unregistered]

When is the Navy going to learn...it's NOT about a PT uniform. It's about the PT. It's about just getting out there and DOING it. All the fancy uniforms and "programs" that get reinvented every few years have done NOTHING to increase the physical readiness of the Navy overall. To increase cardiovascular health...you have to HIT THE PAVEMENT. For strength you have to HIT THE WEIGHTS. Nothing difficult about understanding this. PT! GIVE ME SOME!!!!!


ALNAV: The quote above should be our ONLY focus. IA deployments require improved physical fitness. Get started!

[jeffersj]

Wear tested by Master Cheifs and other enlisted leaders? When was the last time you saw a Master Chief PT'ing? Please. This stuff should be tested by the people that wear it most.... young enlisted troops. So many times our uniforms are tested and evaluated by people that dont have to wear them.

Look at the current copy of Navy Times.

Look at commands that run PT programs that meet the letter and spirit of the Physical Readiness Program.

Then come back and say something about senior personnel and PT.

CWO5 Lind - you're right, it is about the PT. For the other guy, IA has nothing to do with this topic. You have to be physically fit regardless.

AO3 - here's your wake-up call. Once the uniform is finalized and issued, you will wear it as instructed.

For the guy questioning the need for a PT uniform - just maybe the Navy is getting tired of Sailors looking like Joe the Rag Man and Jane the Bag Lady at PT. Ever think of that?

[inkdaddy79]

lame, just like every other uniform we have.

wtf?!? whats wrong with the blue pt shorts with "NAVY" on it? simple looks good... sure a yellow shirt.. i expected that but simple is better.. U.S. NAVY in blue.. and every command we go to should issue us a set because im not paying for that crap.. plus who doesnt like to collect pt gear from all the commands they have been to? i like ships coins, rockers, pt gear, and a stolen coffee cup from the wardroom..

[Unregistered]

just another example of how the Navy has never met a uniform it didn't like......

[Unregistered]

I can see myself jogging and my nuts hanging out...... sorry don't think so.

[Unregistered]

I bet the majoritiy of negative respones are coming from junior personnel who are still developing or lost their "Navy Pride" after graduating RTC. The new PT uniform looks good and It will be an honor to wear it. GO NAVY!!

[Unregistered]

this isnt about a lack of pride. i love the navy. its about not having a gay pt uniform like we now have a gay camouflage uniform

[don't call me shipmate]

Who cares what we wear. We don't do proper P.T. anyway. It's just an eval bullet for some fat chief.

[Unregistered]

I was pretty surprised when I joined the Navy and found out we didn't really have a PT uniform. Thank God it's not that blue/white combination from boot camp with the giant Navy seal on the front. I'm all for a PT uniform, but give me something I won't feel embarassed to wear when I'm with the other services. Bright yellow and short-shorts miss the mark.

[Unregistered]

I think that we need a uniform, however the yellow shirt has got to GO!! Wearing that shirt out here in Iraq is going to make you stick out like a sore thumb. Plus, when you turn it in to get washed, KBR uses hot water (the water is always hot in summer) when doing laundry. What do you think it is going to look like after a few washes?? Washed out and dingy looking. We need to go with a gray shirt with NAVY across the front in black like so many people have stated on here already. It is a shirt that is already produced and doesn't require material sourcing and wear testing. Plenty of people already have it, use it and like it. It doesn't need to be reflective, just make personnel wear a safety belt like the Army does when they PT. The shorts look good, just make sure they aren't too short because we don't need to look like a 70's basketball player. Also I noticed that the Army and Air Force PT shorts have a little pocket on the bottom right front of the leg where they can put their ID card and velcro it shut. I hope that is added since that way you will have your ID card on you when you are PT'ing.

Since PT gear is the only other authorized uniform on base in Iraq, we have another compelling reason to go with a gray shirt. A yellow shirt is good for REMF's and Remington Raiders, but out here in the desert gray is a much better choice. The MCPON has already made changes for the better, hopefully he won't bug off on the yellow shirt.

[Unregistered]

I think that this is a great idea and contrary to some of the comments of disdain... it would behoove some of us to actively gain some pride in wearing it! If some people can waste money buying brand names that makes some people look trendy, "in" and cool.... I would spend the money to buy this setup to show my pride -- it would be great if reimbursement procedures are in place. ... We all need to GET OVER some of the silly comments.... Longer?.. Shorter?... What matters is IF IT WORKS! Advertising aside, before this idea can take off, reimbursement should be in place and LEADERSHIP SHOULD DO EVERYTHING they can to properly enforce it... MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE's CONCERNS are heard and solved...

[Unregistered]

Being a CFL I look at what every body wears, ther is no uniform code b/c everyone wants there own look. Hopefully this will change ideas and motovation within commmands. I like the idea for everyone to look the same wile PTing together as a team on unit like it should be.

[Unregistered]

The Uniform looks OK. We definitely need something for command PTs. I just hope that they use a good material that has some moisture wicking technology built into it

[Unregistered]

Hey, what is wrong with the grey tee shirt and shorts with navy on them ? These look like PT is a Formal party with brass band and all! They were patterned after the now avai;able civilen PT available on must millitary stores.

[Unregistered]

Get some time in the Navy and then come back with a REAL opinion These new high school/ know it all kids........ Get'em

[Unregistered]

Look at the current copy of Navy Times.

Look at commands that run PT programs that meet the letter and spirit of the Physical Readiness Program.

Then come back and say something about senior personnel and PT.

CWO5 Lind - you're right, it is about the PT. For the other guy, IA has nothing to do with this topic. You have to be physically fit regardless.

AO3 - here's your wake-up call. Once the uniform is finalized and issued, you will wear it as instructed.

For the guy questioning the need for a PT uniform - just maybe the Navy is getting tired of Sailors looking like Joe the Rag Man and Jane the Bag Lady at PT. Ever think of that?
Well, I am in one of those commands and honestlly, half of the CPO mess DOES NOT participate on weekly pt or semi-annual PRT. But, here is the kicker, you never see an E-7 or above on mando. Can't wait to put kakis on

[jeffersj]

Unregistered that replied to me -

1. Can't speak for your command. Have seen khaki on the "fat boy/fat girl" program, even in the 1980's when the physical readiness program was so pathetic not having a program would have been an improvement.

2. Again, can't speak for your situation, but when I made it we had mandatory PT during the transition period - muster was at 0530 and the sessions ran for 1.5 to 2 hours before you were secured to clean up and turn to. Also you may have to take and pass a PFA before you're allowed to undergo initiation. I'm a retired Chief and I still do PT on a regular basis.

3. Not everyone has gotten the message yet, but the era of the Sailor whose waist is bigger than their chest is past.

Enough of this now - we're way off topic here. Need to get back on the subject of the proposed PT uniform and what, if any changes we'd like to see. For my part, I'd prefer to see moisture control fabric used so long as it does not require special care. Would also like to see a cover as part of the uniform as I find they go a long way towards keeping the sweat out of your eyes.

[Unregistered]

I'm a runner and I fully endorse mandatory command PT, but I'll always subscribe to the KISS rule with PT clothes.

Blue shorts, grey shirt with black block letters -or- blue shorts, blue shirt with yellow block letters. Ditto on the CWG.

These standard shirts have been always been around, thus they haven't been slaves to trends. Sailors actually wear them out in town. This is a good thing and I don't see that happening with the proposed design. I actually have a few shirts like this myself.

More logos and crap on your clothes do not equal more pride. The above shirts are the only ones I even considered purchasing when I wanted some Navy shirts. So, don't nuke it. Keep it simple, classic and stylish. That will make it far more universal and acceptable to those of us who are required to wear it.

Re: Senior/Master Chiefs and PT, meh... I've seen some commands where they PT and some where they do it if they have time and/or feel like it. PT is a Navy culture problem. There's plenty of the fat boys/girls club in all of the ranks, including the wardroom. No reason to single out the chiefs.

PO1

[jeffersj]

I'm a runner and I fully endorse mandatory command PT, but I'll always subscribe to the KISS rule with PT clothes.

Blue shorts, grey shirt with black block letters -or- blue shorts, blue shirt with yellow block letters. Ditto on the CWG.

These standard shirts have been always been around, thus they haven't been slaves to trends. Sailors actually wear them out in town. This is a good thing and I don't see that happening with the proposed design. I actually have a few shirts like this myself.

More logos and crap on your clothes do not equal more pride. The above shirts are the only ones I even considered purchasing when I wanted some Navy shirts. So, don't nuke it. Keep it simple, classic and stylish. That will make it far more universal and acceptable to those of us who are required to wear it.

Re: Senior/Master Chiefs and PT, meh... I've seen some commands where they PT and some where they do it if they have time and/or feel like it. PT is a Navy culture problem. There's plenty of the fat boys/girls club in all of the ranks, including the wardroom. No reason to single out the chiefs.

PO1

Thanks.

I'm a runner as well - think we should keep it simple and effective. The Army had great success in this area - I frequently see them wearing some/all of their PT gear off-duty. The best shirt I have is a blue UnderArmor shirt that has "United States Navy" in gold letters across the chest. Too bad it is against federal law for the Navy to use that shirt as a uniform item (it's made outside the US).

Also, agree on the issue of PT being a culture problem. Been that way for a long time, and while we are working on changing that it will take time to make it happen. Unfortunately, it is indicative of a culture problem in society at large that has tended to marginalize physical effort in order to pursue sedentary activities.

Three incidents stand out for me - one was an E-6 in 1978 who had a waist bigger than his chest and said he was over 40 and didn't have to do PT (he was an instructor), second was a Junior Officer assigned to a submarine that looked like he needed to be coated in grease to get through a hatch, and the last was a Commanding Officer who said in front of his command he didn't have to do PT because he was over 50 (and his designator is one that requires a higher level of physical readiness than your average Sailor).

[Unregistered]

Anthor terrible example of the blue water surface navy. Does it really matter what clothing you are wearing when you are doing pt? And yes you will never see the SEALs wearing this gay new PT uniform.

[jeffersj]

Anthor terrible example of the blue water surface navy. Does it really matter what clothing you are wearing when you are doing pt? And yes you will never see the SEALs wearing this gay new PT uniform.

To answer your question, yes it does. Don't believe me, try taking a look at what the professional athletes, or for that matter, a high school team, wear when doing PT.

To take your question to the next step, I believe you would advocate eliminating grooming standards and allow Sailors to wear whatever they want for work during the day, and eliminate military uniforms entirely.

As for the SEALS, would you mind telling the world what qualifies you to speak for them?

[Unregistered]

To answer your question, yes it does. Don't believe me, try taking a look at what the professional athletes, or for that matter, a high school team, wear when doing PT.

To take your question to the next step, I believe you would advocate eliminating grooming standards and allow Sailors to wear whatever they want for work during the day, and eliminate military uniforms entirely.

As for the SEALS, would you mind telling the world what qualifies you to speak for them?

to answer your answer ,profesional athelets wear uniforms provided to them by their sponsers, as part of their contract with that company, the company gets to promote their brand through an athlete a form of free advertising, for an athelete to not wear that "uniform" is a breach of contract. grooming standards and a PT uniform are 2 totaly different things, as is a working uniform. Have you ever been stationed with the SEAL's or been to Afghanistan with them? i think not? so it still stands SEAL's will not wear this terrible new surface navy uniform!

[jeffersj]

to answer your answer ,profesional athelets wear uniforms provided to them by their sponsers, as part of their contract with that company, the company gets to promote their brand through an athlete a form of free advertising, for an athelete to not wear that "uniform" is a breach of contract. grooming standards and a PT uniform are 2 totaly different things, as is a working uniform. Have you ever been stationed with the SEAL's or been to Afghanistan with them? i think not? so it still stands SEAL's will not wear this terrible new surface navy uniform!

First off, you've done a very good job of not answering the question.

Second, even though you choose not to answer mine, I'll answer yours - no, I have not been attached to a Navy SpecWar command, nor have I had the dubious pleasure of going to Afghanistan, Iraq, or some of the other various and sundry locations they execute their missions in.

Third, taking your statement on an athlete not wearing a uniform provided as a sponsor as a breach of contract, for you not to wear the Navy PT uniform when it comes out would also be a breach of contract as you did agree to obey the orders of those appointed over you.

[Unregistered]

The prototype includes a gold T-shirt and blue shorts combination. The shirt is emblazoned with the word “NAVY” on the back in safety reflective letters and the official Navy seal on the front left breast. The blue shorts also have gray reflective safety stripes on them, as well as the Navy seal on the left leg.

The uniform was met by applause from the collection of command master chiefs, career counselors and other fleet leaders who got the sneak peek.

The master chiefs who did the briefing warned the audience not to expect the uniform in any sea bag tomorrow, as testing and evaluation — including determining the exact materials it will be made of — still continue. Still, a final proposal to Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Mullen seeking approval appears imminent, sources said.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/06/navy_ptuniform_070628w/


Take a peek --

Why are you all whining get over it! Its new its here and it a move to a more united Navy. You constantly hear about the Marines it's because they do what they have to and work as a team. Now more than ever it's important for us to stick together. So do what you have to and if wearing a simple uniform isn't cut out for you then maybe your not cut out for the Navy so get out!

[seancstew]

Holy mother of...

Lets state the facts about his uniform.

1. Uniform allowances will be adjusted to cover the cost of two sets. Sure, you may have to pay for it up front, but you will get payed back for it.

2. It is only mandatory at Command Sponsored pt sessions, and during the PFA. YOu do not have to wear it to the gym when you go on your own time, or, when running on your time, or trianing for a marathon on your own time.

3. It is an official uniform, as such, you WILL wear it at the above stated events.

Now to some of the other comments.

navy seals wont wear it... Who says? Prove it... Why wont they?

Gay looking uniform... Yellow, Gold.. Navy Colors, Polyester material, (like under armour). Nothing wrong with it, looks fine to me. Besides, I would rather wear a bright shirt than wear a reflective belt or vest.

Chiefs not Pt'ing... Bull crap. The days of the Fat Chief are going away. The people that sicken me are the brand new 18 year old recruits that can barely do ten pushups, or the E-5s that cant even pass a simple PFA. Fix yourselves before you point fingers.

As for all the anti navy, lack of navy pride comments.... You can all get the hell out, and quit wasting the taxpayers money. I dont want you in my Navy.

And to all the people that are so thankful to have retired, and still feel the need to talk crap. Thank you for your service in the past, but yoru negative comments are not needed, nor appreciated by those of us who still serve with pride.

V/R

UTC

[ddbrown]

Personally I am excited about the new PT gear. I have always wished the navy would incorporate the Blue and Gold in a manner like this. The old sweatsuits were a good start.

[Unregistered]

Why is navy written on the back? Is that a "gay" joke?

[Unregistered]

Okay, I don't care what any of you people say. That PT uiform is FRIGGING GAY!!!!!!!

[jeffersj]

Okay, I don't care what any of you people say. That PT uiform is FRIGGING GAY!!!!!!!

Fine. That's your personal opinion and you're entitled to it.

Still doesn't change the fact you'll wear it for command PT and the PFA unless your CO is authorized to do something different.

For the other unregistered, I doubt seriously it is a "gay" joke. The logos are reflectorized to permit visibility in the same manner as the reflectorized belt the Army wears when doing PT. If you take a look at the current sweats (aka the "Blue Smurf" outfit) you'll notice those logos are reflectorized as well.

[SM1 Buddusky]

They look alright (if you're a cub scout) but to me the greater issue is that it's an unnecessary change...yet again!!! Unless you are on mando PT, this uniform will be worn exactly twice a year! Did we really need to spend all this time, energy and money on coming up with this?

This is infuriating because it is just another in a series of unnecessary uniform changes that will have us looking stupid. For example the "aquaflauge" uniforms they want to put us in, or the new service uniforms that will eliminate the dixie cup for every uniform except for the dress uniform. I'll bet that's next. We are looking less and less like sailors and more and more like airmen in the USAF with each change that comes down, and I am tired of it.

[Unregistered]

This PT uniform is a joke. What they need to do is put everyone in some soffe shorts like the marines wear. Then maybe all of these overweight disgruntled sailors will do something about there health and take pride in their service. If you need longer shorts you are probably on the way out because of the new PFA standards.

[Unregistered]

I'm glad I went from the Navy to the Army. Like usual, the Navy has no reguard for the comfort or style of the sallor who has to wear the uniform.

[Unregistered]

All we need now is a helmet so we look at home on the short bus.

new SeaBee motto "Love you like a brother, Screw you like a sister" HOORAH!

Don't get pissed...reenlist!

[y2geno]

Alright, alright. Here's the truth. The uniform is officially set in stone so I don't see what the big deal is on the uniform right now anyway. Everyone is spazzing out about what it looks like or what kind of fabric the BIG WIGS plan on using or how is it going to effect Navy pride or even what other military's think about it. I'm in Iraq right now fighting terrorism and as far as pt goes... we're wearing brown t-shirts & black shorts. we could be happy wearing nothing but our underwear in these temperatures. Seriously though, the change is going to happen whether you like it or not. Either accept it or move on. For those who don't like it, just see it as another change in our ever-changing Navy. For those who do like it, everyone has the right to there opinion so don't get angry when someone says something disrespectful that you don't like about the Navy or it's products. It maybe ignorance or just honest critism. Either way, if you're proud to wear the uniform then be proud. And for those who have ideas on how the uniform should look, good on you. It means you really care about what the uniform should look like. Hopefully, the BIG WIGS up top can get this info and maybe reevaluate this situation. I personally would've liked to see the shirt in a gray color w/ a reflective Navy patch in the back made of Under Armour material but that's my preference. If I could, i would find a way to get rid of over half the uniforms in the seabag so some of that extra money can go in your pockets. But we can't get everything we want in life so either be content with what's going on w/ the uniform or et out. You do have the option (not really). Just remember that it's only for pt.

[FC1]

As a current active duty Sailor with eight years of service, I do have pride in the Navy, but believe this uniform to be a failure, as most of the other uniform changes have been as of recent times. But as we all know down here on the deckplates, it is a bunch of old men, has beens, and never was' that are running the show. If you don't like the circus, get out of the tent, or stick it out while trying to change things for the guys under you. Just like a ship makes a wake, so to should you. If you affect 10 sailors, those 10 can affect 100, and maybe after 40 or 50 years, there will be a few masterchiefs, that can stand up, and do the right thing instead of just laying back, and saying crap like, "don't you have any navy pride?" That is just another cop out..... don't worry, all of the guys in brown pants will just do what they do now, and show up, and make PT a bitch session, so that they can feel like they are doing something besides yelling at a bunch of people, who don't give a shit what most of them have to say in the first place. It would be really funny, if one day all of the folks who wear tan pants woke up, and realized that it is their leadership, personality, and level of earned respect that make people follow them. Rank, nor authority estabilsh leadership. This is just another example of that. You think that the MCPON gives a shit?

Here is a quote that I love.

Master Chief Terry Scott, in reference to a question asked by sailor at NSA New Orleans, who transited to NSA on 4 hours notice, and had been there for almost 20 days with no restroom facilities, and no showers, with in 36 hours of the passing of Katrina. While mustered in a parking lot at noon, so he could talk to us, and then he arrived at 1400. here is the statment made to an E-3 by the MCPON....

Seamen Rosener "is there any tentative date for our departure?"
MCPON SCOTT "Well you know more than I do about that, since you have boots on the ground here"

OUTSTANDING....... Another shining example of out NAVY's Finest KHAKI! ! !

Lets not worry about manning issues at installations, of the fact that most installations are going to civilian security forces that will call in sick, and take comp days when something actually happens...... lets make a new PT uniform! ! ! AMAZING! ! !

[Unregistered]

It's ok since the Navy is trying to make everyone look the same but with this there is no winter set up and I am not going to freeze because they say we have to wear these shorts. they need to have a standard winter and summer outfits. Not just summer.

[AO1]

I think they will look good because it will eliminate people comming to PT with their shrts hanging off their ass's and shirt sleeves cut to where they are held together by a piece of fabric at the bottom because they not only cut the sleeves but cut a slit 3/4 the way down the side. How does show we are 1 team.
It is a great idea and will make everyone look good.

[Unregistered]

You will never get the SEABEES to wear that PT uniform.

[Unregistered]

What happened to CPO's and officers wearing gold shirts to set them apart?

[Unregistered]

I have no issue with having a PT uniform, in fact I think it is a good thing. I even like the shirt design. However, why did we have to mimick the Air Force with stupid reflective stripes on the shorts? Isn't the reflective lettering on the shirt and the fact that it's bright yellow enough? The Air Force PT shorts look awful, and the Navy decided to borrow their design.

[Unregistered]

I agree with U on that.
I think the Navy is trying to keep up with the AIR FORCE in that aspect.
I must admit the air force PT uniforms are kinda cool.

[jeffersj]

I have no issue with having a PT uniform, in fact I think it is a good thing. I even like the shirt design. However, why did we have to mimick the Air Force with stupid reflective stripes on the shorts? Isn't the reflective lettering on the shirt and the fact that it's bright yellow enough? The Air Force PT shorts look awful, and the Navy decided to borrow their design.

Only thing that comes to mind on the shorts is personal protection - helps make you more visible in low-light situations. Either that or copy the Army and wear reflective belts/vests during PT which are not really comfortable.

[Unregistered]

the shorts have an inside liner so NO your balls that must hang down 6 inches, cannot possibly fall out; please get over your insecurity issues and wear shorts the way they were designed to be worn...short
Thats why only real men join the special forces of ANY branch, because they dont play long shorts games.

[Unregistered]

the shorts have an inside liner so NO your balls that must hang down 6 inches, cannot possibly fall out; please get over your insecurity issues and wear shorts the way they were designed to be worn...short
Thats why only real men join the special forces of ANY branch, because they dont play long shorts games.

You special forces guys look like real men in your tight tan Daisey Duke diving trunks. Screw that........

[wesley830]

Dude its about time we got our own PT uniform!!! Are you kidding we look like a bunch of dirt bags compared to all the other services out there. I have been waiting forever for this. I dont even know why it took our senior leadership soooo long to finally make this happen.

[AOC Walker]

First of all shipmates, we have sworn to obey the orders of those appointed over us. Remember the Sailor's Creed? So with that being stated, we will wear this uniform with Pride. This is where we, as Sailors in today's Navy, must take this in stride, and show the new generation of Sailor's that this is just a little something that we can get over without complaining. For God's sake, there is a Global War on Terrorism and all that you can do is sit wherever you are and complain about some materialistc object? Give me a break. We must lead from the front, not whine from the rear!

[SKCWARD]

HOOYAH Brother Walker,

I think it is about time we decided to look like professionals. I have PT's with all services and always hear how we, Navy, look like crap in our half-tail PT gear. This is one-step closer to shedding our stereotypical label of the drunken Sailor. For those that asked about the reflective band on the shorts obviously has never run at dusk. I agree with even making us wear a reflective belt. Safety first shipmate!! Too many of you out there are too busy talking on the cell or watching TV when you are supposed to be driving. :D

[RCACKETT]

well i take offense to that message about 2nd classes and above are overweight I am a second class and i do work out even on a ship I made time for PT. Your in the military take pride in your appearance! and dont catagorize everyone in your lack of self confidence. Also im sure just like with the old PT shorts they will have a built in nut protector, your right i dont want to see you hanging out of it. I think it looks good i will wear it proudly, even if i have to pay out of my own pocket.

[fmrldylthrnk]

This PT uniform is a joke. What they need to do is put everyone in some soffe shorts like the marines wear. Then maybe all of these overweight disgruntled sailors will do something about there health and take pride in their service. If you need longer shorts you are probably on the way out because of the new PFA standards.

I love it! Best response I've seen so far. Thank God for green on green.

[jeffersj]

fmrldylthrnk, as I recall from the article (and it's been awhile since it came out) the Marines are even looking at revamping their PT uniform. Yeah, they have sweats with the EGA on them but when it comes to the basic t-shirt and shorts anyone can wear them and with a little work look lilke a Marine. I should know, I get mistaken for one on a regular basis and I never served one day in the Corps. At least the Army and Air Force have something that tells who they are.

Unregistered, would you please educate all of us as to what the relationship is between the length of a pair of shorts and physical readiness?

SKCWARD, I agree we need to get rid of the image of the fat, dumb, and lazy Sailor. While the new PT uniform isn't perfect, it will go a long ways towards helping change perceptions.

Now, if someone would light a fire under some CO's to make them schedule mandatory PT time for all hands daily unless you are in the duty section or certified by your chain of command to be working on a task that cannot wait ...

[JoeNayvey]

Who really cares? If you're that concerned about what you wear when you work out, then your priorities need some adjustment. Many sailors will always be overweight, out of shape and look like crap, with or without a new PT uniform. The minority that care about physical fitness and health, will have no problems with whatever uniform or physical standards set before them.

[HazeGrey]

I too am stationed at a joint command. I get so tired of seeing all the other services actually look decent while conducting PT. All the while you can tell who the Navy folk are, the ones with some random tired t-shirt with jean shorts or khakis cargo pants, really just whatever the sailor decided to throw on that morning. It really is a disgrace to our service and embarasses me at times. I mean when you hear Air Force guys talking trash it really is a little disconcerting. Unfortunately PT has never been a really big part of my Navy career at any of my commands, just do the minimum and get the P/WS and you are good to go, sadly it's just the way we are brought up in the fleet and the Navy in general, I mean heck LOOK AT OUR CHIEFS!!! j/k. Now at a majority Army command I have been exposed to a VERY organized and structured PT program and unfortunately the Navy is missing out. I think this uniform will benefit the Navy's image not just with civilians but with the other branches, it let's them know that we might actually be taking this PT thing seriously.

[moose1]

What a joke this uniform is.............but it goes right along with the Navy.

Is ridiculous if there going to make a uniform mandatory at least make it decent, i mean come on its not the
70's. How long do you think its going to take before there is a harassment issues from the female sailors because guys are oodling there daisy dukes, and lets face it I’m not holding some dudes ankles during pt, while his junk protrudes out.

Who wears short shorts, the gay ass navy does, and its no question why the navy is the biggest joke as far as the military goes, we have a-holes making decisions so they can have a fleet impact, to better there navy eval............

Either way I could care less I’m gliding till my time is over, which is real soon. One more thing wtf is up with chiefs thinking the Navy is there Navy, just a hint its the United States Navy...meaning just what it says the Navy of the United states, not the CHIEFS NAVY......get over yourselves, all you did is stay in the military longer than most people, that doesn’t make it your navy. Its the American people's navy, so for you to say "my Navy" is a arrogant comment.. But hey you’re a chief, now get divorced for the 10th time gain 50lbs and you’re ready for master chief.....

"Haze gay and under way" that’s the new navy credo............

[HazeGrey]

^ Take another look at the other services PT uniforms. Thier shorts are just as short if not even shorter, except for maybe the Air Force which are about the same.

And "My Navy" means having pride in the service you belong to there big guy not that he thinks it's actually his. Get a clue and keep "gliding" there bud.

[NMWH1985]

First of all shipmates, we have sworn to obey the orders of those appointed over us. Remember the Sailor's Creed? So with that being stated, we will wear this uniform with Pride. This is where we, as Sailors in today's Navy, must take this in stride, and show the new generation of Sailor's that this is just a little something that we can get over without complaining. For God's sake, there is a Global War on Terrorism and all that you can do is sit wherever you are and complain about some materialistc object? Give me a break. We must lead from the front, not whine from the rear!

Hooah, Chief.

To their credit though, not many of these Sailor's will be put in harm's way in the Sandbox anytime soon, so they've really got nothing else to complain about other than a pt uniform.

It goes both ways.

The ones complaining about the uniform aren't the ones PTing on a regular basis, I think, because if they were, they'd be happy not to look like a gaggle.

I'm former Navy, and now I'm in the Army ROTC program, and the NCO cadre I see here set a much better example in terms of physical fitness then the average Khaki I encountered in the Navy.

A quick way to fix it is, promotion points for higher pt scores, or narrow the gap between standards and ages. There is no reason, if a 40 year old man remains relatively fit, that he cannot run a mile and a half in 13 minutes or less. Pushups and situps should remain 46-54 for all ages.

But no, the brass wants a new PT Uniform, because they think it'll increase Navy pride and we'll have chubby E6's out there running half marathons and doing SEAL pt.

[RETSGTMAJ]

You have to do PT in order to have a "PT Uniform". For the Navy this is just a leisure suit.

[jeffersj]

No question the Navy has had some serious problems with physical readiness - fortunately that is changing. No, the PT uniform is not a leisure suit, any more than the PT uniforms for the other services are leisure attire.

The other services have their problems as well - been more than one occasion I have seen other service senior personnel who seemed to be having issues buttoning their blouses. In some cases I suspect they were on the "ROAD" list.

RETSGTMAJ, I don't know what branch you were in, but here's a question for you - can you pass the Physical Fitness Assessment for your branch with anything above a minimal score for your age group? I could probably with very little preparation pass mine with an outstanding score, as I did 18 months ago just before I retired. I say a little work as I am recovering from an injury that has kept me from running for six weeks.

V/R

Retired Chief.

[moose1]

^ Take another look at the other services PT uniforms. Thier shorts are just as short if not even shorter, except for maybe the Air Force which are about the same.

And "My Navy" means having pride in the service you belong to there big guy not that he thinks it's actually his. Get a clue and keep "gliding" there bud.


It doesn’t matter what other branches use, I’m not talking air force here dip shit. I’m talking navy. The navy's uniforms are the worse of all the branches, there pathetic and an embarrassment.

Secondly don’t call me big guy or bud as I am neither to you. As far as gliding goes...lol it’s called I was smart and got my degree while I was in so I don’t have to be stuck, like obviously you are.

Yeaaaaaaa Haze grey and underway for me...get real poncho. You can have "your Navy" while I enjoy a real way of living.

[RETSGTMAJ]

Hey jeffersj, I hate to inform you but I did serve 30 years in the Marine Corps and was a 1st class PFT when I retired. I ran several times a week after retirement until I had to have knee surgery and face a possible knee replacement. I served a total of 7 years on various Naval installations, which I always enjoyed, especially the CPO community. My last tour with the Navy was as a SgtMaj with 26-28 years in. The CMC had me take the newly selected chiefs on a PT run and none could keep up. I then put them through the obsticle course which none completed. I am not saying this is reflective of all the Navy, but it sure was at this station, a submarine base. What I enjoyed most, was doing PT in the FMF with out corpsman right alongside us in formation. OOH RAH

[jeffersj]

Hey jeffersj, I hate to inform you but I did serve 30 years in the Marine Corps and was a 1st class PFT when I retired. I ran several times a week after retirement until I had to have knee surgery and face a possible knee replacement. I served a total of 7 years on various Naval installations, which I always enjoyed, especially the CPO community. My last tour with the Navy was as a SgtMaj with 26-28 years in. The CMC had me take the newly selected chiefs on a PT run and none could keep up. I then put them through the obsticle course which none completed. I am not saying this is reflective of all the Navy, but it sure was at this station, a submarine base. What I enjoyed most, was doing PT in the FMF with out corpsman right alongside us in formation. OOH RAH

Sounds good. Hate to say it, but yeah, there are more than a few Sailors that need a lot of help in the physical readiness area. I was probably the exception, especially as a reservist.

One of the best times I had was when I did weapons quals with the 4th Marine CAG back in 2000. Tough course, real good people. PT was no cakewalk either, but then it was all good.

I hope you can dodge the knee replacement. I've been warned to expect that myself although I'm fighting it as long as I can. Good luck

[RETSGTMAJ]

Sounds good. Hate to say it, but yeah, there are more than a few Sailors that need a lot of help in the physical readiness area. I was probably the exception, especially as a reservist.

One of the best times I had was when I did weapons quals with the 4th Marine CAG back in 2000. Tough course, real good people. PT was no cakewalk either, but then it was all good.

I hope you can dodge the knee replacement. I've been warned to expect that myself although I'm fighting it as long as I can. Good luck

To be honest, the young Sailors are for the most part in good shape. Physical fitness among all the services is better I think mainly due to young people nowadays taking better care of themselves than we did 30-40 years ago. The main problem is in the senior leadership who "do as I say, not as I do". Smoking is down, the clubs arn't as busy after hours, and there is more family time. Now don't go and think I got soft, because I long for the old days when I was a young Marine. Squad bays are still the best billeting for unit integrity.

Wish you luck also if you need knee replacements. I only thing I don't like is the fact they will not do it to me now because I am only 56 and say they want to wait until I am in my 60's. Kinda stupid if you ask me. But the surgery came out good and had really helped me get along. I walk alot now but feel silly walking after more than 30 years of running and making fun of those I saw walking.

[seanjohn]

To be honest, the color scheme isn't that bad compaired to the current PT gear we have. The current gear is out of date, unatractive and not worth putting on even to stretch out. It's time for a change and I'm all for the new PT gear as long as it doesn't have to come out of my own personnel pocket. Now if it does, I would not care if it is made by Nike or Reebok, I won't buy it. As far as the shorts, I agree that they should come alittle lower. People have to realize that this is not 1988 and that it is 2008 meaning that the times have changed. They don't necessary don't have to be as long as basketball shorts but they can bring the length down a little. Remember, this PT gear is going to be around for a good while meaning that today's Seaman is tomorrow's Master Chief or LCDR and/or higher. As the image of the uniform, the PT gear will have that same imagine for the future of the Navy and if it doesn't appeal to todays generation, then the imagine that will come from the Navy is a "non-change" imagine meaning that the Navy isn't ready or intrested in evolving with the time. It soulds pretty big but the little things are what give the real true image. Now for those that say that the shorts need to stay the same lengh are probably people that are in their 40's and I'm sorry to say but their time is almost up. These's guys fresh in the Navy are in their 20's and if you want them to get on board with what direction you want to take like the PT program for example, you have to adapt, BOTTOM LINE. I also seen the statement on the shorts stating "Navy PT program"; that needs to be removed. That is unneccessaary to have on there. It makes the program like it's an NEC or something. Bottom line, the colors match the Navy's Blue Angels theme but just a few in's and out's will have it more desireable than what it is right now; dull, boring, bland, out dated and unacceptable.....

R/


OS1 "Sean John"

[CommunityEditor]

Sailors should start seeing the new Navy physical training uniform — a gold T-shirt and dark blue shorts — in exchanges this spring.

According to photos released Monday by the Navy, the final design includes the word “NAVY” in light-gray safety reflective letters on the front of the shirt and across the back. The left leg of the shorts also features the reflective lettering.

Navy Exchange uniform centers should get the new shirts and shorts this spring, according to the Navy.

Prices for the clothing were unavailable Tuesday. But uniform allowances paid to sailors this year included $10.99 for one of two required PT shirts and $13.99 for one of two required pairs of PT shorts.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/04/navy_ptuniform_040108w/


The new Navy physical training uniform consists of a gold t-shirt and blue shorts. The t-shirt will have the word "Navy" in safety reflective letters on the back and on the front. The shorts will have the Navy seal on the left leg. The Navy Exchange Service Command will begin rolling out the new uniforms through the Uniform Centers in spring.

[Unregistered]

The Pt uniform was a waste of time and taxpayers money. They Grey or Blue tee with either black or gold letters were fine as well as either the gray shorts or Navy blue shorts. Plus the others are less expensive than this new uniform.

[jeffersj]

See no reason for us to wear PT gear with grey garments/black letters. If I wanted to look like I was in the Army I would have joined the Army. Dark blue shirts will absorb heat in hot weather - the gold shirt makes more sense on that point.

As for the lettering, having reflective letters beats wearing a reflective vest/belt, especially in hot weather. BTDT.

Now, if they would just get some cool weather PT gear designed and issued, along with a cover ...

[Unregistered]

The gold shirt looks best for the Chiefs, but I would have like to see something of a blue color for the PO1's and below.

[Unregistered]

Will there be any type of pt uniform for the winter months?

[Unregistered]

I'm a person that prefers jogging pants. Why are there only shorts? I think the shorts should be longer.

[Unregistered]

Longer shorts? Last I checked we are a United States miltary organization, not the NBA. Does anyone see the Army, Marines, or Air Force in long shorts?

[Unregistered]

sorry I forgot the "i", MILITARY

[jeffersj]

From what I remember, there is a warm-up suit in the works for the colder periods. No timeframe on when that will be tested, etc.

As to the preference of pants over shorts, that's fine so long as the command allows you that choice. However, if the CO says everyone during the summer uniform period will wear shorts for command PT and the PFA then shorts it is.

[Unregistered]

I'm a person that prefers jogging pants. Why are there only shorts? I think the shorts should be longer.

Yeah, when will these people learn that I'm not in favor of seeing a n-t sack while I'm holding someone's feet while they do sit-ups?

[jeffersj]

I'm not crazy about seeing genitals either, be they male or female while the Sailor is doing situps.

Easy solution - don't look at the crotch of the person whose feet you are holding.

Also, I believe there is a liner in the shorts that will be issued and there was consideration being given to allowing spandex tights for those whose thighs tend to rub together for various reasons. I myself wore underwear that properly covered that portion of my body under my shorts when doing command PT and the PFA out of consideration for the other Sailors.

[Unregistered]

i'm sure the big guys who designed this uniform didn't think about coming out with winter gear to go with it... at least no pictures have been produced to prove other wise. Plus, the grey "NAVY" shirt/shorts would have done just fine, but this new stuff will do fine.

[NAVHOSP JAX, FL]

The gold shirt looks best for the Chiefs, but I would have like to see something of a blue color for the PO1's and below.

Don't worry about the CPO's needing to wear GOLD to be different than the rest. They will be in the back of the formation trying to keep up anyways.
Why is there always this bull about E7 and above having to have a different uniform. The Navy needs to get out of that mind set. Our sister services function without having to change the colors of their uniforms for E7 and above. Get over it! Leadership is in the person not on the clothes they wear. If you are going to reply that it is because of tradition then go ahead because all I have to say it is 2008 not 1775.

[The Universal Curmudgeon_guest]

From what I remember, there is a warm-up suit in the works for the colder periods. No timeframe on when that will be tested, etc.Don't forget the CAMPAT PT gear for use in combat zones.

And then, taking a leaf from the USAF, the whole thing will have to be redesigned so that it will accept the USN Official Reflective Enhancements (USNORE).

[jeffersj]

Don't worry about the CPO's needing to wear GOLD to be different than the rest. They will be in the back of the formation trying to keep up anyways.
Why is there always this bull about E7 and above having to have a different uniform. The Navy needs to get out of that mind set. Our sister services function without having to change the colors of their uniforms for E7 and above. Get over it! Leadership is in the person not on the clothes they wear. If you are going to reply that it is because of tradition then go ahead because all I have to say it is 2008 not 1775.

No reason why we can't all wear the same uniform.

As for being in back, maybe it is to monitor you to make sure you are honestly doing the PT. Without knowing you I'm not going to brag and say I can smoke you in PT - I do know when I retired I smoked a lot of Sailors in PT, scoring an overall outstanding on the PFA and not needing to be taped for the BCA.

As for the side topic of why I have a different service uniform, you are correct that leadership is in the person, not the garments. However, the leaders wear distinctive garments, insignia, etc., to help identify them.

Maybe one day you will get your wish and everyone will wear the same service, service dress, and working uniforms. Everyone will soon wear the same working uniforms. Maybe one day everyone will have the same service unforms; I can see that coming. Service dress uniforms - BTDT, and without making more space on ships to store them for E-6 and below hopefully we won't repeat that mistake.

[ty5486]

Personally, I would like it if the individual commands could personallize the shirt a little. Maybe have their logo or ship name put on it. Oh, and if you can see their junk, I think that means they're not doing the situps right.

[cmmora1]

"The uniform was met by applause from the collection of command master chiefs, career counselors and other fleet leaders who got the sneak peek."

Well of course it got applause from Chiefs and above. They all wear gold! It looks like a Chiefs mess uniform. I think the Navy would benefit from getting designs from its younger sailors. They know what they want to wear. I am 23 and a second class, and a bright yellow shirt is not really something I want to go work out in. Especially to go running in. I think they would have been better off with a grey or blue shirt and a sharp, simple emblem on the front. Simple is good, that is what people want. When I go running in the park, I don't want to stand out in a bright shirt.

I am glad that the master chiefs and career counselors like it, but what about the rest of the fleet! More importantly what about the people who are gonna wear it the most. I think the navy needs to get their opinions for a change.

[Unregistered]

hey MCPON how about you find a pt uniform for the green side of the navy you the ones that stay on land when we deploy the ones that build stuff and don't need to be seen from miles away thanks

[HazeGrey]

^Please, it's not like you are going to be doing organizational PT in a hot zone. Go build a bridge and get over yourself thanks.


Whats with the second pictures? Doesn't look nearly as good without the seal on the t-shirt and shorts hope they don't come out like that.

[Unregistered]

A multi-Billion dollar organization and that is all they can come up with? wtf? rediculous

[jeffersj]

And the debate goes on.

Cmmora1, what makes you think the fleet didn't have input? I don't know if they did or didn't, but I'm not going to simply assume they didn't just because there is disagreement on the colors and style.

Unregistered posting on 25 April, your post is a bit hard to understand. Hot flash for you - there is no green side - just one Navy. Been that way for a long time. Also, you're not deployed all the time - no reason why you can't wear the PT uniform for command PT in stateside garrison.

Hazegrey - obviously there will be situations where the CO will have to not pursue a PT program due to operational commitments. Problem is too many use that as an excuse (not a reason) to hold command PT.

[dfaford]

I am retired Navy and work on an Air Force base. I see them jog by my shop all the time. They look like a bunch of San Fran escapees. But I understand this, they may have to RUN off the flightline. As for sailors, We are not going to run off the ship. PT is a bunch of crap for sailors.

[jeffersj]

I am retired Navy and work on an Air Force base. I see them jog by my shop all the time. They look like a bunch of San Fran escapees. But I understand this, they may have to RUN off the flightline. As for sailors, We are not going to run off the ship. PT is a bunch of crap for sailors.

Thank you for your service.

Like you, I am retired. Like you, I thought the same thing at one time.

Let's just say that I got my wake-up call on the issue before I retired. .

I find the stereotype of a Sailor as "Fat, lazy and stupid" rather offensive (and yes, I have seen t-shirts for sale in other service exchanges that depicted us that way).

[snipe_cpo]

Their better than the current PT wear we have...

I would have to assume from your comment that you have no NAVY PRIDE !!

You are correct. I have zero pride, I am a Navy Squid, specifically a SNIPE. I am not a Warrior, as they started calling themselves in 91, I dive bilges, I repair equipment, I kept the lights burning, and the screws churning, I provide everything needed to fight a ship, and keep the crew alive. When fire / flood / explosion, occurs, while others ran away, I run toward it. I have been Greased, Been in brawls, I have kissed the royal baby, and Judged by Neptunus Rex. I have No Respect for the kinder gentler Navy,

With that said, Maybe you should look at the Seals, and their attitude about PT uniforms, of White t-shirts, and shorts, If you where a true Professional, you would realize its the Squid, not the cloths that make you a Professional.

[jeffersj]

Well said Snipe, ultimately the person makes the clothes, not the clothes the person. It does help, though, to have clothes that look nice, fit properly, and are in good repair.

Haven't hung around that many Specwar types, but the divers I used to work with tended to use blue shirts and black shorts for PT. Shirts were either plain or had some printing related to their community. Seemed to work just fine.

[HazeGrey]

I am retired Navy and work on an Air Force base. I see them jog by my shop all the time. They look like a bunch of San Fran escapees. But I understand this, they may have to RUN off the flightline. As for sailors, We are not going to run off the ship. PT is a bunch of crap for sailors.

Right, because physical fitness and physical health is just for the other services, no room for that in the Navy :rolleyes:


What still gets me is when I PT with my unit we are all in our unit PT uniform and during out run we come across the Navy guys once every couple of weeks (I guess whenever they decide to actually do PT) they all look like slobby overweight garbage struggling on what must be the end of a 1 mile run (oh my) wearing basketball shorts off thier ass or whatever disturbing t-shirt they decided to buy from spencer gifts that week. It's just embarrasing and it makes me ashamed to be part of the Navy when I see that kind of stuff.


How can anyone in the Military POSSIBLY state that the clothes don't make the man! :confused: :confused: :confused: Tell that to a Marine when he wears his blues. Everyone that dons a uniform should take pride in thier appearance, regardless of PT, blues, whites, or civilian attire.

[jeffersj]

Right, because physical fitness and physical health is just for the other services, no room for that in the Navy :rolleyes:


What still gets me is when I PT with my unit we are all in our unit PT uniform and during out run we come across the Navy guys once every couple of weeks (I guess whenever they decide to actually do PT) they all look like slobby overweight garbage struggling on what must be the end of a 1 mile run (oh my) wearing basketball shorts off thier ass or whatever disturbing t-shirt they decided to buy from spencer gifts that week. It's just embarrasing and it makes me ashamed to be part of the Navy when I see that kind of stuff.


How can anyone in the Military POSSIBLY state that the clothes don't make the man! :confused: :confused: :confused: Tell that to a Marine when he wears his blues. Everyone that dons a uniform should take pride in thier appearance, regardless of PT, blues, whites, or civilian attire.

Very easily.

It's all in how you learned to carry yourself with pride (aka "Military Bearing") in boot camp. Something like that is not dependent on what garments you wear.

I can speak from personal experience here. I'm retired Navy. More than once I've been mistaken for a Marine by other Marines while I was either in my BDU's or street clothes. Never served one day in the Corps.

[HazeGrey]

Very easily.

It's all in how you learned to carry yourself with pride (aka "Military Bearing") in boot camp. Something like that is not dependent on what garments you wear.

I can speak from personal experience here. I'm retired Navy. More than once I've been mistaken for a Marine by other Marines while I was either in my BDU's or street clothes. Never served one day in the Corps.

You can carry yourself as prideful as possible but if your clothes look like crap people will PERCIEVE that you are crap. That's what we are talking about here, perception of professionalism.

I doubt very many managers would hire anyone that did not take the time to look presentable at any kind of interview.

It's a package deal. If you carry yourself with pride, it already reflects itself in the clothes you wear, for the most part anyway.

You obviously have great pride and present yourself accordingly. You wouldn't have been mistaken for a Marine otherwise. Or they would have been 1 inch from your face telling you how jacked up you really are.

[ChaplainC]

Very easily.

It's all in how you learned to carry yourself with pride (aka "Military Bearing") in boot camp. Something like that is not dependent on what garments you wear.

I can speak from personal experience here. I'm retired Navy. More than once I've been mistaken for a Marine by other Marines while I was either in my BDU's or street clothes. Never served one day in the Corps.

Yes, but the thing applicable here is that your military bearing shows out in your uniform. That is what is important here. It is the soup that comes running down the road that becomes the problem. That is why some might say the cloths make the man. Not that they do, but that the cloths, perhaps, detail who the man inside the uniform really is.

Personally I think that the Air Force could have done better with the PT gear, and the pants and jacket suck and a half. On a comfort scale of 1-10 they get a negative 30. The shirts could stand to have SOME color in them too, but, at least they do not all run around looking like soup. The Army looks good running out there, so why not the Navy as well? Shoot, I personally think these PTs look great.

[CDE]

I'm curious to see how many people actually wear this stuff on their own time - sans the youngsters that can't afford anything else. That, in my mind, will be the true test to see if people that actually work out like the PT gear or not. I will ONLY wear this when I am required - no more, no less. I am all in favor of navy-wide PT gear but I do not want it to be ugly!

[ChaplainC]

Just an Aside to your thoughts, CDE, If you ever end up on an AF base I think you will be surprised how many people actually wear them for their personal PT. Army bases are the same, so, I expect you will see a fairly positive improvement. Shoot, if you have to pay the money for it anyhow, may as well use it, right?

It is like my mess dress, I never thought I would use it, and once I got it I ended up wearing it two times in as many months. God figure...

[CDE]

I'm on a multi-service base at the moment. I know that other services do voluntarily wear their service's PT gear to the gym. My point is the extent to which sailors wear the new navy PT gear voluntarily on their own time will be a good measure of it "approval rating." I do see a lot of USNA (I did not go there) gear at the gym. Why? because is simple, practical, and NOT UGLY! Personally, I do not expect sailors to wear the navy stuff as often as other services wear theirs.

I still maintain these task force uniform people should have just copied the simple designs from USNA, or any major university or pro sport team and replaced the letters/logos with USN or NAVY.

[jeffersj]

I go to an Army base on a regular basis to use the facilities. I see a lot of Army (and to a lesser extent Air Force) folks wearing their PT gear either in whole or in part after normal working hours. I have yet to see a Marine wearing theirs unless they were proceeding to/from the base gym.

Got a first hand look at the Navy PT gear at the NEX today. Shirt I can see wearing with a pair of jeans and the material seems to be correct for the intended purpose. Shorts are definitely too long and baggy.

Side note - the exchange didn't have a lot of small and medium sizes. The larger the size, the more they had, with the largest supply being in the XXL sizes.

[james]

Just purchased my new PT gear this week, the shirts are OK but the shorts need to be made of some other material, I gave them a first wash and I can already see the shorts are not going to last long. Still it's a uniform none the less and they fit me perfectly, my wife likes it. What the uniform will reveal is the physical state of the Sailor wearing it. If your fat, you are going to look fat and porkly and probably complain about how you hate the PT uniform. My advice is get off your FAT ASS and do some PT or something physical other than sit in your workshop all day,eating junk food playing games on a computer waiting for knock off ships work. I am 36 years old and 137 pounds and still look leaner and meaner than 70 percent of the new sailors coming from RTC and staff at Great Lakes. It's about pride and military bearing, but maybe that is why I am still a 16 year first class surrounded by porkly khakis.

[EMC2PE]

The prototype includes a gold T-shirt and blue shorts combination. The shirt is emblazoned with the word “NAVY” on the back in safety reflective letters and the official Navy seal on the front left breast. The blue shorts also have gray reflective safety stripes on them, as well as the Navy seal on the left leg.

The uniform was met by applause from the collection of command master chiefs, career counselors and other fleet leaders who got the sneak peek.

The master chiefs who did the briefing warned the audience not to expect the uniform in any sea bag tomorrow, as testing and evaluation — including determining the exact materials it will be made of — still continue. Still, a final proposal to Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Mike Mullen seeking approval appears imminent, sources said.


Article: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/06/navy_ptuniform_070628w/


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This still really floors me as too how much expense, effort, and man-hours have gone into establishing a Navy Wide Policy on a PT uniform. I really have the urge to become outwardly sarcastic, but i will refrain and comment lightly instead....well maybe one sarcastic comment....The cost of 5 pair of yellow embroidered t-shirts, 5 pair of pretty blue emblazoned shorts....running 3 miles.....sweating while looking pretty.....PRICELESS.....
I think with the amount of effort that is going into a wasted standard of PT clothing, the Navy could focus on something more important. Uniforms have been issue since pre-vietnam era times because as with all of the past issues, its been a standard based on a point of view versus what is needed or required. Every MCPON that comes into tenure takes on this debacle from a standpoint of leaving a legacy under that tenure. I say this because the uniforms at sea should be the simplest of all. COVERALLS. Its that plain and simple. What other uniform would you need? The environment is filled with fuels, oils, smoke, dust, and dirt. What is the purpose with putting people in whites on a Q-Deck? That is soley a tradition standard. Is it needed? In my humble opinion...No! The rule of thumb for the Navy should be simple. If your on a ship, you wear coveralls. Easy to manage, easy to maintain, easy to clean, easy to sustain. If your on a shore duty installation attached to parked building...then summer whites in the summer, John Wayne's in the winter. If your working industrial on a shore base...then lets be sensible and smart...COVERALLS....Dress White/Dress Blue for dog and ponies. The rest get thrown out. Seabag gets lighter...more functional. Oh yeah, although i favored the ball cap, it has no place on a ship. Its more of a burden than anything. If you leave the ship...Dixie Cups for all. E-7 and above...Kahki's and Combination caps. Bottom line is a force that is identified clearly, simplistic, and functional. Many of you are probably elated that i never became MCPON....Have a great Navy day......

[Sgt 0121]

I go to an Army base on a regular basis to use the facilities. I see a lot of Army (and to a lesser extent Air Force) folks wearing their PT gear either in whole or in part after normal working hours. I have yet to see a Marine wearing theirs unless they were proceeding to/from the base gym.

Got a first hand look at the Navy PT gear at the NEX today. Shirt I can see wearing with a pair of jeans and the material seems to be correct for the intended purpose. Shorts are definitely too long and baggy.

Side note - the exchange didn't have a lot of small and medium sizes. The larger the size, the more they had, with the largest supply being in the XXL sizes.

I don't think the NEX carries any size under humungo and why would they? I work side by side with the navy and they very rarely PT. When they do PT they use mats so they don't have to get down on the deck. I kid you not, they have an XO that could get stuck in an elevator shaft. The Army isn't too far behind them either. The PX has an overstock of huge PT gear as well which makes it harder to find PT gear that fits me, a size 32 waist.

[jeffersj]

I don't think the NEX carries any size under humungo and why would they? I work side by side with the navy and they very rarely PT. When they do PT they use mats so they don't have to get down on the deck. I kid you not, they have an XO that could get stuck in an elevator shaft. The Army isn't too far behind them either. The PX has an overstock of huge PT gear as well which makes it harder to find PT gear that fits me, a size 32 waist.

I've got the same problem - I wear a size 32 waist and a medium shirt.

[jeffersj]

The reason for this phenomenon is because we dont go anywhere in PT gear besides the gym.

Thanks for clarifying.

Navy had the same policy about 25 years ago - wearing PT gear on liberty was verboten unless engaged in or proceeding directly to/from PT (16 oz. curls did not count).

[YUANLINSH]

I bet the majoritiy of negative respones are coming from junior personnel who are still developing or lost their "Navy Pride" after graduating RTC. The new PT uniform looks good and It will be an honor to wear it. GO NAVY!!

yes, i hate the gold shirt. whatis wrong with negative respones? junior personnel are the future of the navy. we all love the navy that is the reason we all here. navy pride doesnot mean say "yes sir" all the time. take the shirt to civilan gym to see how many people want it.i learned one thing from my 10 years navy carrer, people who always talk about navy pride are those who have nothing to do all day, just talk. after 12 hours on the flight deck, PT? what did you say?

[jeffersj]

yes, i hate the gold shirt. whatis wrong with negative respones? junior personnel are the future of the navy. we all love the navy that is the reason we all here. navy pride doesnot mean say "yes sir" all the time. take the shirt to civilan gym to see how many people want it.i learned one thing from my 10 years navy carrer, people who always talk about navy pride are those who have nothing to do all day, just talk. after 12 hours on the flight deck, PT? what did you say?

Nothing wrong with negative responses. Just because you have some pride serving in the Navy doesn't mean you have to like everything about it. There's a lot I didn't like about the Navy, but I still am proud to be able to say I'm a retired Sailor.

As to your comment on PT, the command may exempt you from command PT due to operational commitments, but the burden is still on you to figure out how to get the PT in.

[valley_0925]

Absolutely horrible. I understand that it looks better to have everyone in a single standard uniform while out on the field, but with of the lack of PT in general I believe how we're dressed is the least of our worries. Getting sailors to PT should be our first priority. I know at my command it has done nothing to unify/inspire, as a matter of fact it has done the opposite. They look bad and are uncomfortable to work out in. The lining in the shorts rides up, they are cheaply made, and the pockets are way too loose to be of any convienience. My keys and ID fell out as soon as I hit the ground for crunches. As for the shirts, the bright color is bad for anyone who does PT out on the dirt/grass, can't be washed in hot water, and any and all supposed sweat wicking abilities are lost on females who have to wear a shirt underneath because the material is unbelievably see-through. I also hate to break it to the higher-ups but a majority of the sailors I've seen are overweight, thus ruling the 'tucking in the shirts' requirement a poor decision. It only emphasizes thier gut and I'm sure they must be pretty embarrased considering I've seen more than a few stomachs pour over thier short's tops, and that looks 10x worse than untucked shirts.

[Chris_Stew]

It Blue and Gold and is a great improvement from the old PT uniform that no one would wear. We seem to have a lot of disgruntle people out there that will now be forced to wear the uniform. This would be going back to an old rule with a new style. Now we can at least look professional when doing our PT. And by the way. If anyone looked at the new regs for the PT shorts. They have to be no more than 2" from the top of the knee. 1 Fight 1 Team. Go Navy.

[CDE]

There is a huge stock pile of the new gear in our NEX. I think its been there for a couple months and I have only seen 1 person in the gym wearing the long sleeve shirt. I know we are just getting started with this new stuff but I still maintain that we will get a good feel for the "approval rating" by the number of people that voluntarily wear it in the gym. I see lots of people wearing USNA, USMC, and Army stuff.

[jeffersj]

The following letter was posted in the 04 Aug. edition of Navy Times:

The new Navy physical training uniforms are out of date and out of style. The yellow T-shirt will get dirty and won’t last very long, and the sailor will have to buy more uniforms because of all the wash and wear.

The column in Navy Times [“Uniforms unfit for duty,” Back Talk, July 7] states that the uniforms become see-through when the person sweats. Not a very good idea for women.

The shorts have pockets. Why would you run in a pair of shorts with pockets? Save the pockets for inside the gym; the only thing pockets are good for is losing a pair of keys that will fall out while you exercise.

Also, Navy Exchange uniform sales personnel reportedly are telling customers to pull out the liner of the shorts so they are more comfortable [“Officials tweak PT uniform,” July 21], but customers are still being charged the same price. If the Navy wants to invest in new PT uniforms, it should follow the Under Armour style. In other words, the material should wick away water.

Sorry to say, I will not invest in the new Navy PT uniform because of the problems and the quality of the material. I will spend a little more for an Under Armour product with the same colors if I have to have yellow, and I will pay for the Navy logo if I must.

MA1 Troy Davis

Baghdad

Read the last paragraph.

This week someone has taken him to task for his statement.

In case anyone else thinks the same thing, there are very strict regulations regarding how and where military uniforms are made. In short, made in the USA. UnderArmour the last time I looked cannot meet that requirement.

Wear what is authorized for command PT and the PFA only. You don't have the option to substitute the official garments for your personal choices, even if you do match the color scheme and logos.

If you don't want to wear it any other time that's your option.

[CDE]

Within the navy we have a chronic problem of poor Requirements Analysis. We see this in our ship programs and with our uniform programs.

[CLEMENTRW]

I work in a joint unit, that believes in unit-level PT twice a week. The Army has a grey shirt with black shorts. The Air Force has a grey shirt with dark blue pant. And now, you have the Navy...looking like we have "salt and peppered" the formation with our bright yellow shirts. I am all for Navy Pride, but as we become increasingly joint, do we really have to stand out llike sore thumbs from our comrades-in-arms? I recommend that we take a hint, and get a grey shirt, and then we can have blue shorts with gold striping.

In the future, all the component services should keep jointness in mind in all uniform designs. Another place all the services failed at this - the "digital" replacements for the BDUs.

[pawn65]

Right, because physical fitness and physical health is just for the other services, no room for that in the Navy :rolleyes:


What still gets me is when I PT with my unit we are all in our unit PT uniform and during out run we come across the Navy guys once every couple of weeks (I guess whenever they decide to actually do PT) they all look like slobby overweight garbage struggling on what must be the end of a 1 mile run (oh my) wearing basketball shorts off thier ass or whatever disturbing t-shirt they decided to buy from spencer gifts that week. It's just embarrasing and it makes me ashamed to be part of the Navy when I see that kind of stuff.


How can anyone in the Military POSSIBLY state that the clothes don't make the man! :confused: :confused: :confused: Tell that to a Marine when he wears his blues. Everyone that dons a uniform should take pride in thier appearance, regardless of PT, blues, whites, or civilian attire.

Down here in Seabee Land we wear our boot camp sweats or blue shorts with a brown top easy as that and wouldnt have to have wasted that much money.

[CommunityEditor]

Editorial: PT gear comes up short (http://www.navytimes.com/community/opinion/navy_editorial_ptgear_082508/)


It’s hard to believe an organization as sophisticated as the Navy can’t get T-shirts and shorts right.

But after three years of planning, including tests in the fleet, the Navy has fielded a dud in its new physical training uniform.

The sailors who have to wear it are not impressed. The shirt doesn’t wick moisture and becomes see-through after a short run. The liner in the shorts rides up. The shorts melt in a regular shipboard dryer.

Navy leaders acknowledge this is not the uniform for you if you’re serious about a workout.

There are plenty of easy fixes out there, starting with any number of performance shirts and shorts already available on the market — and in the PT uniforms of the other services. Yes, sweat-wicking shirts and other workout gear can be expensive. But, ultimately, it costs more to field an inferior product and then have to make fixes. And that’s where the Navy is now.

Right out of the gate, the service limited the effectiveness of the uniform. Planned as a tool to instill a “culture of fitness,” the uniform is pretty much limited to command PT and the twice-yearly Physical Fitness Assessment. Hard-core fitness types are wearing their own gear.

Besides being a flop with sailors, the PT uniform represents a lost opportunity to market the Navy to the outside world. A group of sailors working out in town and looking sharp reflects well on the Navy.

Navy leaders should move quickly to re-issue new PT shirts and shorts that are up to the job and that sailors actually want to wear. Proud, fit sailors sporting fresh PT gear could make someone want to join for a chance to wear the uniform.

[canne06]

Academy Mids wear a simple, comfortable PT uniform that has been pretty much the same for a couple decades. The uniform consists of nylon mesh gym shorts and a cotton t-shirt. It works!

Why can't the big Navy adopt a similar uniform?

[ghawiii]

I have been saying this since TFU started working on the new uniforms. Why re-invent the wheel? Get a contract with UnderArmor, have them produce some gold T-Shirts, stensil NAVY on them and there you go. With that, why not take a page out of the Marine's playbook...or the Air Force...or the Army...they have already figured out what works with the camoflauge uniforms. I don't see why we need to change anything but the patterns with these already wear tested materials.

[jeffersj]

Ghawaii (and everyone else):

I agree with the idea of using items already available in the marketplace. However:

1. The Navy PT Uniform is a military uniform. That means it must be made in the US of US made materials. This isn't policy - it's the LAW. I just don't have the citation from the Code of Federal Regulations available to document this. Last time I looked Underarmor could not meet that requirement. The Army forgot that little detail when it decided all Soldiers would wear black berets and they bought some made in Red China to meet the timeline for all Soldiers to be wearing them. The Army got a nice black eye as a result.

2. There are certain standards regarding construction, etc., that must be met. A lot of the higher end manufacturers will not retool their assembly lines to meet these requirements due to cost. For example, there were a lot of problems with dungarees not holding up in daily wear. Levi Strauss was asked if they would consider making Navy dungarees one time and that was their response.

If you don't like the uniform, then just wear it for command PT - that's all you are required to do. Beyond that, leave it in your locker. No problem.

[ghawiii]

Excellent points.

The Under Armour name was a bad example, but the point being that there are USA made Physical Training garments already on the market today, (which I have used as Command PT gear), this tells me there is a better, faster way to get a quality PT uniform out there. What physically fit individual would ever chose the Navy PTU shorts for any kind of fitness training? None. The crotch rides, chaffes, rips and the shorts melt.

This is not about dis-liking the uniform. This is about getting our Sailors QUALITY uniforms. I don't want them in the locker, I want to wear them with pride.


Cheers.

[jeffersj]

Ghawaii -

Agreed, it should be something to be worn with pride. As I recall, the intent was to hopefully get folks to wear it for individual PT and either all or in part when on liberty, like the Army does.

Even though I didn't have to I got one as I needed some new PT gear and thought I'd try it.

Shirt - OK with my Levi's, but didn't seem to work well for the intended purpose.

Shorts - I regulary do five to seven mile runs in them. Only issue I have is the inside pocket will not hold an ID card, credit card and a couple of $$ for emergencies. I do a lot of my running in town and that is an important consideration, especially as the major manufacturers (Nike, Brooks, Underarmor, etc.) figured out how to make appropriate pockets. The shorts aren't as comfortable as the civilian ones, but they do work for me.

I hope the folks handling the redesign as well as the cool weather gear make the changes in a timely fashion.

[ChaplainC]

I did not know you could not put an ID card into them. The AF pt shorts at least got that right, you can put your ID plus a credit card and cash in one,and there is a pocket for a key also. Sorry yall have to go through all of this stuff.

Blessings on you.

[jeffersj]

I did not know you could not put an ID card into them. The AF pt shorts at least got that right, you can put your ID plus a credit card and cash in one,and there is a pocket for a key also. Sorry yall have to go through all of this stuff.

Blessings on you.

Common sense would seem to indicate you should have a secure pocket for holding an ID card at the very least. However, at least the folks are revisiting the design issues instead of letting them slide.

[medicineman8]

I like the look, something that will make us stand out and be noticed. I do have some concerns about the material after reading about it. If it is sub par to cut costs, it would be better to see what type of material the other services (ie Marines or even the Army) are using. With performance wear, you get what you pay for.

[ddbrown]

If they will just get the fabric of the shirt right I will be happy. I just went through a CFL course with 2 hours of PT at the end of each day. The current fabric holds onto the sweat, it does not promote evaporation.

Change the fabric.

[PATRICKBW]

Uniforms, Uniforms, and More Uniforms: With almost 20 years of Naval Service and seeing, and now purchasing the new PT Uniform I am disappointed in what appears to be a huge front end effort that purduced little. The Army got it right many years ago with their PT uniform that looked good and worked well for their service members. Why didn't the Navy Uniform Commitee follow their lead or take what was right with the Army and applied it to the Navy.

If you didn't even look at the Army, what about the many private companies that provide modern PT clothing; like Underarmour, Nike, etc. Comfort within a range of sizes, mosture evaporation, and heat reduction are all goal that should have been met with the new PT Uniform. These goal were not met and why weren't they is a question that hasn't been answered. Was it cost of these materials, lack of information, lack of qualifications for the committe members? Who knows, but what we do know is the uniform isn't being accepted by the Fleet and especially from special communities that PT is apart of their daily life.

As to the look of the Uniform, come on big Navy, what were your thinking. I know that "Retro" is a fashion in itself but really. This PT Uniform is out dated by a decade or so.

Recommendation. Pull the PT Unform. Offer a PT Uniform that is up to date in style, construction, and material that all Saliors will be proud to wear!!

[william7160]

This just re-affirms what most people already know. Anyone over about 20 years service is almost always out of touch with reality. They live in a vacuum. Didn't I read that one of the major points they were stressing during the selection was wanting something that sailors would be proud to wear out on town. I have to tell ya nothing screams wear me more than a bright yellow shirt with reflective strips on it.

[Chris007]

Gosh, I just love the our Navy's new PT uniforms. They are outstanding. Here's my reason why: To start off, I’m stationed on a Air Force base in the hot middle east. During the day, it be hotter than donut grease outside. I’m talking like 122 degree's. See at this base, whether your working or not working you must be in a proper military uniform. Your uniform must either be a DCU's or your branch of service of PT gear. There's no such thing as being on liberty and wearing civilian clothes. Unless your leaving the base for official business or leaving the country. (Though a small percentage of military personnel still break the rule anyways.) So if you’re not working that leaves us to the PT gear. On this base the pt uniform goes like this: Air Force wears a gray t-shirt, blue shorts; Navy yellow t-shirt, blue shorts, Army gray t-shirt, black shorts, Marines green shirt, green shorts.

Anyways though, I would like to say the Navy's new PT uniforms are sweet. The shirt is very comfortable and the 6" inch shorts fit very snuggly as well. When I’m wearing my 6" shorts, I feel like the ex-NBA player John Stockton. His shorts looked like 5th grade school boy shorts on him but hey it didn’t matter because he was a superstar. Well on the base, we have this place called, "The Bra." It’s like a huge outdoor tent where hundreds of people hang out at night when it’s a little cooler. All branches of the service (mostly Air Force) be out there having a good time and just listening to music.

True story: One Friday night just recently, my LPO and I were at "The Bra" just hanging out when some Air Force girls we knew approached us and said, "Hey, what’s up with those shirts?" We said, "What do you mean?" One AF girl then said, "You guys really stick out!" I said, "Why?" Then she said, "Because those shirts are so loud!" We were like, "What the hell?" Immediately I told her that she was just jealous of the Navy's fine color scheme of a shirt. How dare she talk about our proud new PT uniforms because I love them." By looking around the Bra, we were the only Navy people wearing the new PT uniforms while other Navy people wore the brown t-shirt and blue shirts. The brown crusty shirt is authorized with blue shorts as well. So then a Navy girl from the VP Squadron walked by us in her crusty brown t-shirt and we asked her, "Hey, do you have the new PT uniforms and how come your squadron is not wearing them?" This drove me crazy. She said, "We don’t wanna stick out!" I was laughing like crazy. How can she offend my Navy? She then said, "those t-shirts are embarrassing." I was mad. There is nothing wrong with wearing a yellow t-shirt. She shouldn't ever talk about a finely made t-shirt with a spectacular crisp color.

As the story goes on, my LPO and I then went inside this indoor bar to get some soda's and everyone then were staring at us. It was nothing but Air Force people waiting in the line just looking at us as if we were aliens. Random girls and guys would walk by us and say stuff like, "Hey Navy dude, those shirts are bright!" "Your blinding us!" "If the enemy comes, they will get you two first because they can easily spot you out!" "You guys are glowing in the dark!" "All you guys need now is a yellow helmet for the short bus." Another Air Force girl we also know in a jokingly way in front of everyone said, "Hey banana man!" One guy said, "Dude, who chose the color for that shirt?" I just shrugged my shoulders and kept walking. Then I started thinking, "95% of the Navy people here don't wear the yellow t-shirt. It brings tears to my eyes seeing this. Most will still wear the dirty brown crusty work t-shirts that are worn under the DCU uniforms.

The best thing I’ve seen so far was when one time I was going to the gym to workout. As I walking down the sidewalk, I couldn’t believe it, I saw a Navy girl wearing the yellow shirt as well. Anyway as I was walking to the gym and she’s coming my way leaving the gym, I saw a sight to behold. Seeing her entrenched in sweat, I could see the roundness of her breast in her drenched soak shirt. Those suckers were big too. She could have won 3rd place in a wet t-shirt contest. Thanks MCPON for letting me some boobies! If it was me, I would have designed it dark blue with NAVY in small yellow letters written across the front of the shirt. That way, female breasts can’t be seen, nor dirt, and grass stains.

On another occasion just recently, five ex-NFL cheerleaders came to the base to do a show for the military personnel that are stationed her. My LPO, LCPO, and I were all decked out in our new PT uniforms. We were the only one’s wearing the crisp yellow shirts. Everyone else had on their service pt shirt which was gray. If they were Navy, they were still wearing the dirty brown crusty t-shirts. It was like three thousand people there. The cheerleaders were from the Chargers, Jaguars, Redskins, and Cardinals. After they performed everyone was allowed to take pictures with them and get signed autographs. I didn’t care too much for a signed autograph but my LCPO kept pushing for me to get one so I did it anyways. When I went up to the Cardinals cheerleaders at the table the first thing she said was, “Wow! “Is that shirt new?” I said, “Yes!” She then said, “That shirt is so, so, so, bright!!!!!!!” She then said, “It’s too bright” and gave me a funny smirk. When she said that I wanted to tell her to go h****! She didn’t even say “how you’re doing” or “hello” to start off with. How dare she disrespect my illuminating yellow t-shirt. The MCPON and fellow higher’ ups put over a year of hard work for the design and color of this shirt for people to laugh and snicker at it. That was a direct insult to the Navy.

In conclusion my fellow Sailors, I just want to say the new yellow Navy pt-shirt is such a brilliant spectacle of clothing. There is nothing more better than walking on the base and having everyone stare at me as if I’m alien from planet TuTu. People may laugh at my yellow pt-shirt, but deep down inside I know they’re jealous. I may feel out of place and like a odd-ball in crowd of thousands wearing gray, but hey I’m wearing what the Navy higher ups designed for us. Heads may turn when I’m wearing it, but its all about Navy pride. Whenever I put it on, I represent the MCPON's year of hard work and long work hours for creating the new uniform. Hopefully one day I get to shake the MCPON’s hand for coming up with the color of this shirt. I love loud yellow!!!

[forcedj]

Chris007 - You're pretty funny!

Below are pictures of all the military branch PT uniforms. Doesn't Navy's have a sweatsuit with it? I've seen people at NAPS here in R.I. wearing them, and I see them in the NEX, but I haven't seen and active duty enlisted/officer wearing them? Obviously I don't have to wear them since I'm retired. But I don't think the yellow t-shirt is all that 'loud'. Besides, aren't you only required to wear the PT uniform when PT'ing as a unit? You don't have to wear it if you're out PTing on your own do you?

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/files/images/2008-04-new-navy-pt-uniforms.jpg
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http://www.military.com/pics/040204_Shoes-1.jpg
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Dan

[jeffersj]

Man, that story was something else.

All kidding aside, it seems like your unit CO should have been able to make a change in what you use for PT gear based on tactical conditions. But then ...

Dan, no we don't have a warm-up suit yet. There is the regular sweat shirt and sweat pants that are allowed for the time being.

[SEABEEINDC]

The shorts suck, I ripped two pair doing dynamic movement (e.g. kettle bell swings and dead lifts)

The shirts suck they ride up and stink even if you wash them, they do not promote evaporation of sweat

ya having to wear those heavy ass boot camp sweats sucks, need a lighter sweat shirt and pants

having to wear them in a contingency environment... pointless unless you are trying to increase the probability of getting someone shot.. at least they wont get run over.

Over all this pt uniform was a god idea poor execution on the design and guidance on the manner of wear

[Booter3rd]

The shorts are an absolute joke, wore them for the PRT and thats it. As for the bright yellow, well, Big Navy wanted us to be visible. They got their wish!


6 Months until I wear that garbage again.

[jeffersj]

The shorts are an absolute joke, wore them for the PRT and thats it. As for the bright yellow, well, Big Navy wanted us to be visible. They got their wish!


6 Months until I wear that garbage again.

Yep, unless your command institutes command PT, in which case you would be required to wear the uniform during that evolution.

And yes, the shirt leaves something to be desired, both from the color and the moisture-wicking properties. As to the chafing issue, I can see where some would have a problem with chafing suffered while wearing the shorts, and that would have nothing to do with the design of the shorts.