Force-Shaped AFSC (Intel Analysts) now in Demand!

[Hero]

More ISR intel analysts needed

By Michael Hoffman - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Aug 19, 2008 7:37:47 EDT

Much has been made about the need for more unmanned aerial vehicle pilots to keep up with demand in the war zones, but there’s more to it: The service needs to increase the number of airmen trained to analyze the intelligence these UAVs collect.

“It’s what I call the blinding flash of the obvious,” said Lt. Gen. Gary North, U.S. Air Forces Central commander.

The Air Force over the last year has more than doubled the number of round-the-clock UAV orbits over Iraq and Afghanistan — from 12 to 27 — and has had to rapidly train pilots to keep up with the pace. Air Force officials say they want to increase that total to 50 orbits by 2011.

For each orbit, though, about six intelligence airmen are needed to analyze the full-motion video piped back. Those airmen then produce intelligence products — such as maps showing houses visited by targeted insurgents or where certain vehicles stopped — and ship them to ground commanders in theater.

“Behind every one of these [combat air patrols] ... the base of the triangle demands from our [intelligence community] the integrated and synchronized analysis” of the full-motion video and signals intelligence collected, North said.

The number of Air Force National Guard and Reserve airmen analyzing UAV feeds at distributed common ground system has quadrupled, and Col. Jon Kimminau, vice commander of the ISR Agency, said the service will need to add 2,000 active-duty airmen by 2011 to monitor those 50 orbits.

In order to train these new airmen, service officials have made additions to the formal training unit for imagery analysts at Goodfellow Air Force Base, Texas. But questions remain over how to properly train these airmen to analyze full-motion video, Kimminau said.

“Right now we teach them the basics at Goodfellow and then most of the training is done on the job because it’s so new,” he said.

Intelligence analysis based on collection from UAV sensors isn’t restricted to full-motion video. Analysts depend on human intelligence and signals intelligence, which includes intercepted cell phone signals, to provide a full picture to ground commanders. The 11th Intelligence Squadron created a fusion cell for just this task, said Lt. Col. Mike Stevenson, 11th’s commander.

“Still, 95 percent of our work is watching FMV,” he said.

Since the 11th stood up in 2006, it has grown from just a few to a force of 240 airmen and contracted imagery analysts. Officials see it growing to 500 in the next couple of years, Stevenson said.

Stood up primarily to analyze intelligence collected by MQ-1 Predators and MQ-9 Reapers associated with Special Forces missions, the 11th analyzes about half of all the full-motion video collected in Iraq and Afghanistan, Stevenson said.

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From the RIF quota of the 2007 Force Shaping Program (PACAF):

1N1XX (IMAGERY ANALYSIS) = 21
1N3XX (LINGUIST) = 01
1N0XX OPERATIONS INTELLIGENCE) = 26
1N4XX (NETWORK INTEL ANALYSIS) = 02
1N5XX (ELECT SIGNAL INTEL EXPLOITATION) = 09
14XX (INTELLIGENCE) = 42 [intelligence officers]

Source: http://www.pacaf.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-061003-015.doc

How many more of these AFSC(s) were targeted by the RIF in other MAJCOM(s)?

How many other AFSC(s) that are considered low density, high demand were subjected to the Force Shaping Program?

If you know of any others, please post your reply. It may be time to conduct a Congressional Inquiry on the lack of planning and insight during the Reduction in Force.

[Measure Man]

this would be funny if it wasn't so...sad.

[Hero]

In-demand Predators hit 400,000 mission hours

Staff report
Posted : Wednesday Aug 20, 2008 20:50:36 EDT

It took 12 years for the fleet of Mq-1 Predators to reach 250,000 mission hours in June 2007. Just 14 months later, a Predator somewhere over Iraq or Afghanistan pushed the fleet past its 400,000-hour mark.

The milestone mission was flown Aug. 18 by a pilot and sensor operator with the 15th Reconnaissance Squadron at Creech Air Force Base, Nev., the Air Force announced Aug. 19.

The Air Force has scrambled to add UAV combat air patrols in the war zones since Defense Secretary Robert Gates publicly chided the service this spring for not getting more intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance assets into theater.

A 25th orbit was added in June, and the Air Force plans to hit 27 patrols in September.

At their current rate, Predators will pass 500,000 flight hours in early 2009.
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“It’s what I call the blinding flash of the obvious,” said Lt. Gen. Gary North, U.S. Air Forces Central commander

How come it was not so obvious last year when many support personnel for these missions were let go?

The RIF was the worst friendly-fire in the history of the Air Force. :mad:

[MajesticThunder]

You know what they say about premise of military intelligence. :confused:

Intel AFSC scale down story linked with one below exemplifies just how USAF drifted into deep dung.

Review: Air Force botched officer separations

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/08/airforce_officer_forceshaping_081408/

Not doubt same PowerPointless warriors worked up infamous Force Shaping money “saving” personnel slashing battle plans.

Round up the usual suspects! Time for some fervent AF house cleaning.


“No good decision was ever made in a swivel chair.”

“Good tactics can save even the worst strategy. Bad tactics will destroy even the best strategy.”

GENERAL GEORGE S. PATTON, JR

[ringjamesa]

From the RIF quota of the 2007 Force Shaping Program (PACAF):

1N1XX (IMAGERY ANALYSIS) = 21
1N3XX (LINGUIST) = 01
1N0XX OPERATIONS INTELLIGENCE) = 26
1N4XX (NETWORK INTEL ANALYSIS) = 02
1N5XX (ELECT SIGNAL INTEL EXPLOITATION) = 09
14XX (INTELLIGENCE) = 42 [intelligence officers]

Source: http://www.pacaf.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-061003-015.doc

How many more of these AFSC(s) were targeted by the RIF in other MAJCOM(s)?

How many other AFSC(s) that are considered low density, high demand were subjected to the Force Shaping Program?

If you know of any others, please post your reply. It may be time to conduct a Congressional Inquiry on the lack of planning and insight during the Reduction in Force.

Your info is inaccurate. The RIF targeted officers so none of those 1N AFSCs were targeted. Nearly all of the Force Shaping for Enlisted was voluntary-unless they were in trouble, med Dq'd, or declined retainability so over half of your "facts" are wrong. I am not 100% positive on the officer #s since AFPC took all the '08 info off the website but if I recall correctly, they got enough voluntary seps this year and didn't RIF any officers this FY either (I may be wrong on that but am right on the enlisted side).

[BTDTNM]

Logistics Officers got whacked pretty good also. Now they are one of the most deployed AFSC's in the AF. Smart move there fellas. When you fight a ground war, you need a lot of shoe clerks.

[exPACapt]

Add 35P to that list of AFSCs. Heck there was even a story about the need for public affairs officers before the board met in 07 and they still whacked us. A little known fact, majority fo the career fields were closed before the board met. I think the problem is that someone did not know how to handle the career field. They wanted to change it to a more civilian led organization. Here is the fact that amazed me the most. The Air Force could not fill all of their O-3 requirements to deploy as they were already on the books, but they still cut the manning. What happens after the cuts, deployments extend to a mandatory 179. Tack on another two-three months of predeployment training and requirements and you are looking at a total of at least 9 months out of the office.

[exPACapt]

Even though this is an old article, at least someone out there gets it.

http://www.militarytimes.com/community/opinion/army_opinion_publicaffairs_070910/

[Dr Fred]

Logistics Officers got whacked pretty good also. Now they are one of the most deployed AFSC's in the AF. Smart move there fellas. When you fight a ground war, you need a lot of shoe clerks.

Shoe clerks? I take offense to that and you should reconsider your post. LROs have been pulling some of the nastiest jobs for AF officers in the AOR. When was the last time you went on a convoy or PRT team and got shot at or had an IED go off?

[CrustySMSgt]

Definitely not a new issue... back ni '97, when I was force-crosstrained out of Security Specialist, they forced 81 TSgts out... and then shut off all voluntary cross trains out of the career field for almost 3 years... our "force shaping" (or whatever the buzzword of the day is) management is very short-sighted and almost always comes back to bite us in the ass.

[MovingtargeT]

I worked in the 1N field from '04-'08 and there was no effect on these force shaping measures. In fact, the number of personnel in those AFSCs exploded during that time. If officers were affected, my guess would be a "too many cooks in the kitchen" sort of thing. In my unit, not a single officer worked in a mission, all were flight commanders or various other staff positions, so there wouldn't have been much of a loss.

[BRUWIN]

I worked in the 1N field from '04-'08 and there was no effect on these force shaping measures. In fact, the number of personnel in those AFSCs exploded during that time. If officers were affected, my guess would be a "too many cooks in the kitchen" sort of thing. In my unit, not a single officer worked in a mission, all were flight commanders or various other staff positions, so there wouldn't have been much of a loss.


They did cut enlisted 1N billets...but no actual bodies were affected because the 1N fields were drastically short on manning and the billets were just sitting empty anyway. All it did was increase the manning strenght percentages.

[Pred Driver]

As a Predator pilot, it amazes me how i was permitted to call out what i was seeing in my pod (folks w/ weapons or digging holes in the road) while flying an F-16 and doing 5 other things at the same time, but now that i'm going at a ground speed of zero, i have to wait for an intel analysis to tell me and the ground commander what i'm seeing??? how's that speeding up the kill chain??? In my opinion, we need intel analyst to do things that either require an extensive build up of information or that are too complex for immediate customer consumption (i.e., sigint).

[MovingtargeT]

Sounds familiar. As 1N3's we kept getting slapped when we'd give a synopsis of events based on our translations, or try to link them with other information. We'd always hear "you're not analysts!" as if that made our information completely invalid. So then we'd have to wait for our info to be "analyzed" and most of the time it was either exactly as we had already said, or some random conclusion from left field that didn't jive with the rest of the data.

[ConfusedAirman]

Your info is inaccurate. The RIF targeted officers so none of those 1N AFSCs were targeted. Nearly all of the Force Shaping for Enlisted was voluntary-unless they were in trouble, med Dq'd, or declined retainability so over half of your "facts" are wrong. I am not 100% positive on the officer #s since AFPC took all the '08 info off the website but if I recall correctly, they got enough voluntary seps this year and didn't RIF any officers this FY either (I may be wrong on that but am right on the enlisted side).

Hero probably chose the wrong word when he called it a RIF. The reference he provides from the PACAF website does clearly show the manpower position reductions that he cites, whether actual persons were affected or not. As BRUWIN states, the losses were probably empty positions which drives many manpower reductions. The PACAF manpower bean counters would look at it from the perspective that, if you don't have the position filled, but are meeting the PACAF mission, why have the position to begin with. Remove the position(s) and PACAF looks much better with their manning. The immediate needs of the AF are not affected - no one was sitting in the position to do the job anyway so nothing lost.

[technomage1]

Go figure!

A lot of career fields were like this. The most heavily deployed were cut. I never figured that one out.

[ConfusedAirman]

Go figure!

A lot of career fields were like this. The most heavily deployed were cut. I never figured that one out.

I never thought about it this way but it does make sense (from a bean-counting, cubicle-dwelling, manpower perspective). Consistently low career field manning means that the few available will shoulder the deployment burden. But the same consistent low manning is visible to manpower who decide to delete vacant and unused positions.

[BRUWIN]

As a Predator pilot, it amazes me how i was permitted to call out what i was seeing in my pod (folks w/ weapons or digging holes in the road) while flying an F-16 and doing 5 other things at the same time, but now that i'm going at a ground speed of zero, i have to wait for an intel analysis to tell me and the ground commander what i'm seeing??? how's that speeding up the kill chain???


Well to be quite frank Sir, it's because you guys won't let enlisted fly UAVs like all the other services...so it's kind of a payback.

So now you guys aren't happy just flying them...you want to take our job too? Sheeesh....if you guys have your way the only thing left for us to do will be saluting you through the sensor ball on your way down the taxiway.

[AF O]

As a Predator pilot, it amazes me how i was permitted to call out what i was seeing in my pod (folks w/ weapons or digging holes in the road) while flying an F-16 and doing 5 other things at the same time, but now that i'm going at a ground speed of zero, i have to wait for an intel analysis to tell me and the ground commander what i'm seeing??? how's that speeding up the kill chain??? In my opinion, we need intel analyst to do things that either require an extensive build up of information or that are too complex for immediate customer consumption (i.e., sigint).


How does cutting intel relate to your obvious case of the ass about intel? You fly an ISR platform that may or may not carry weapons. Your wing leadership may tell you you're a CAS platform or some other nifty name they have created to take out the sting you feel because you are flying at the ground speed of zero. If you had any data that prove your point, you should send it on up because it would not be allowed to continue.

Your comment: "In my opinion, we need intel analyst to do things that either require an extensive build up of information or that are too complex for immediate customer consumption (i.e., sigint)." You have not spent any time on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan because if you had, you would realize how ridiculous your comment is. Too many of our leaders believe what you stated and that is why we have the Sec Def and Congress in our chili...

[BRUWIN]

How does cutting intel relate to your obvious case of the ass about intel? You fly an ISR platform that may or may not carry weapons. Your wing leadership may tell you you're a CAS platform or some other nifty name they have created to take out the sting you feel because you are flying at the ground speed of zero. If you had any data that prove your point, you should send it on up because it would not be allowed to continue.

Your comment: "In my opinion, we need intel analyst to do things that either require an extensive build up of information or that are too complex for immediate customer consumption (i.e., sigint)." You have not spent any time on the ground in Iraq or Afghanistan because if you had, you would realize how ridiculous your comment is. Too many of our leaders believe what you stated and that is why we have the Sec Def and Congress in our chili...

Well put. My biggest problem with Pred pilots flying from back at Creech is that they are so far out of the warfighter loop that they are supposed to be in it ain't funny. I wish it were mandatory they sit some time with the fwd deployed warfighters they support. Only then will this guy know what we're actually talking about. I'm not going to argue about it for obvious security reasons but I'm fwd deployed right now and I know exactly what Pred drivers are bringing to the fight these days. With respect...my advice would be to just fly the airplane while I ignore your brilliant intel insight.

[Hero]

Hero probably chose the wrong word when he called it a RIF. The reference he provides from the PACAF website does clearly show the manpower position reductions that he cites, whether actual persons were affected or not. As BRUWIN states, the losses were probably empty positions which drives many manpower reductions. The PACAF manpower bean counters would look at it from the perspective that, if you don't have the position filled, but are meeting the PACAF mission, why have the position to begin with. Remove the position(s) and PACAF looks much better with their manning. The immediate needs of the AF are not affected - no one was sitting in the position to do the job anyway so nothing lost.

Yes, I probably used the wrong term - RIF. It is a matter of semantics; what I meant is the force-shaping objective to reduce the unit manning positions as outlined by the PBD 720.

The sad part about this is that some commands resorted to arm-twisting and other unethical conduct like deliberately sabotaging people's security clearances by delaying the paperwork for the periodic re-investigations.

In one incident, a service member coming back from a deployment was subjected to an arbitrary mental health evaluation to create an excuse to suspend the security clearance and forced the member to retire early from the Air Force. (see another related thread "Mental Health and Security Clearances)

Two months after this incident, the AFSC of the person that was forced to retire was placed on the "endangered species" list by the Air Force Personnel Center. The number of people who have applied for the Voluntary Separation Pay (VSP) and retirements may have met or exceeded the RIF quota. As a result, the AFSC in question was removed from the RIF-targeted AFSC before the Reduction-In-Force Board met in June 2007.

The news of the 1:1 ratio deployments (6 months deployed, 6 months home) provided an additional incentive to take the VSP or retire early. So there was really no need to apply "undue influence" to force people to retire or separate early.

In some commands, the "good old boy network" kicked into action once the deadline for the Retention Recommendation Form (RRF) was set by the Force Shaping memorandum from the Air Force Personnel Center. If you are not in the "favored clique", the powers that be will be looking for creative ways to "encourage" you to leave the Air Force.

[JohnnyReb]

Think intel analysts would take a 22 year cop? I would go there for the 5 years I have planned for the remainder of my career.

[BRUWIN]

Think intel analysts would take a 22 year cop? I would go there for the 5 years I have planned for the remainder of my career.

Neg...because there is no guarentee you would not retire after the 6 months of training. Folks with 18 years or more can't retrain unless it's First Sergeant. It's ashame too...our best retrainees in intel were former cops. They are already squared away as soon as they walk through the door. My opinion of cops changed dramatically when I retrained into the field and there were a lot of ex cops I depended on to complete the mission. Before then they were just a bunch of guys that seemed to make my life hell when I was on the flightline.

[Hero]

Think intel analysts would take a 22 year cop? I would go there for the 5 years I have planned for the remainder of my career.

Have you thought about AFOSI? They do most of the Human Intelligence (HUMINT) operations at deployed locations. That means you will likely see IEDs and hostile fire.

And they had been looking for NCOs to cross-flow into the AFSC for Special Agents.

Their function and responsibilities are much closer to the "intelligence" operations that you see in the movies. If adventure is what you want, join the AFOSI team.:cool:

If you like technical stuff (Imagery, SIGINT) or briefing people, then join the Intel AFSC.

[JohnnyReb]

WADR, Hero..I've had enough adventure:cool:

The techie portion of the career field IS what interests me, however, I think the comment about too many years in rings true. Oh well, will take my big chief tablet and red crayon and shut up and color...for now..:D

[Shrike]

Have you thought about AFOSI? They do most of the Human Intelligence (HUMINT) operations at deployed locations. That means you will likely see IEDs and hostile fire.

And they had been looking for NCOs to cross-flow into the AFSC for Special Agents.

Their function and responsibilities are much closer to the "intelligence" operations that you see in the movies. If adventure is what you want, join the AFOSI team.:cool:

If you like technical stuff (Imagery, SIGINT) or briefing people, then join the Intel AFSC.

Unless OSI has changed it's tune in the last two years, their cut-off for re-training in is 12 years TIS.

Here's a link to an article: AFOSI Recruiting (http://www.ellsworth.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123030426)

[Baroncoop]

Well I just tried to cross train into 1N1X1, but was told that I couldn't. Apparently the only people who can cross train are people in overage career fields. So despite the fact that I am highly motivated for this job, and I am even getting my degree in this particular career field, they would rather force someone who doesn't want to do this than someone who does.

[BRUWIN]

Well I just tried to cross train into 1N1X1, but was told that I couldn't. Apparently the only people who can cross train are people in overage career fields. So despite the fact that I am highly motivated for this job, and I am even getting my degree in this particular career field, they would rather force someone who doesn't want to do this than someone who does.

Do you apply through CAREERs or the NCO retraining program? the NCO retraining program requires you be in an overage. However, it shouldn't be an issue for first term Airmen applying through CARREERS. That program only insists you go into a shortage, you don't have to be in an overage. Reason being is that losing a first term Airmen to another career field can be easily recouped through basic training accessions whereas NCOs are more difficult to replace unless they are an overage and don't requiring replacing.

[darkphox]

I just got approved for 1n1x1 retrain, and i was lookin online for some insight as to what i just got myself into. Found this thread and laughed a little, cuz im leaving the SF career field, hehe. Apparently its a good out for 3P0x1s. If anybody in the 1n1x1 field could get ahold of me i would greatly appreciate it. Just have some basic questions that i was unfortuantly unable to figure out through the magic of google. SSgt been in 5.5 years, no bmt questions i promise.

here's my personal contact: darkphox@yahoo.com

Thanks!

[Mestisa]

Darkphox,

When are you going to school? I was also approved for 1N1. I'll be at Goodfellow from April - Oct.

[darkphox]

Looks like we are going at the same time. Are you going via cross train or through bmt?

[BigBrownEyes]

So, i'm also headed to Goodfellow for the Apr to Oct Class (Thanks to the good ole NCORP). Anyone know what they plan on doing as far as living arrangements? I'm told they do have dorms but in that case, you'd lose BAH and BAS. Currently a Staff with a line for Tech, mil-to-mil, no kids, but the dorms are definitely not an option for me, for the simple fact that I still have a home to maintain here until we can sell. It's bad enough that I'll be making as a Tech there (BAH), what I'm making as a Staff here ;-( I'm thinking about renting out somewhere because the housing seems to be pretty cheap. Has anyone else heard anything about housing options?

[Mestisa]

I'm in the same class with you. Let me know if you want a rommate, lol!

[BigBrownEyes]

I'm all for the roomate thing. I mean, it's only 7 months without personal space lol! I saw some 2 br for like $650 that means there will be some pocket change ;-) I plan on going out on permissive to see some apts. Don't really trust the images on the web.

[BRUWIN]

It's very hard to find a house for 6-7 month lease in San Angelo. But the market has changed a lot since I was last there so house rentals may be flooding the area. An apartment was the best bet when I went through Goodfellow as a retrainee. If you go as a single dude you may have to store your stuff and live in the dorm. The Air Force will cover storage.

[Hero]

Get a lease with a "Military Clause" so you can terminate it with a 30-days notice before your PCS departure date.

You may find a six-month lease with the month-to-month option afterwards.

Good luck.

[BigBrownEyes]

I saw apts with 6-7 month leases. I'm guessing it's because of all the long courses. I just wish more info was provided as far as possible living arrangements.

[BRUWIN]

I saw apts with 6-7 month leases. I'm guessing it's because of all the long courses. I just wish more info was provided as far as possible living arrangements.

Well it's really dependent if your bringing your dependents or not. I brought mine and lived in a townhouse on Neveda drive just off Sunset. But get moved in before school starts cause theydon't show any mercy for bringing dependents.

[BigBrownEyes]

Well it's really dependent if your bringing your dependents or not. I brought mine and lived in a townhouse on Neveda drive just off Sunset. But get moved in before school starts cause theydon't show any mercy for bringing dependents.

BRUWIN,

I don't have children but I am mil-to-mil, meaning I still have a household to maintain here. I can't afford to lose my BAS/BAH. Plus, the hubby would not be too thrilled about visiting and living in dorms as he hasn't lived in dorms in 20 yrs lol! Anyhow, Did you come across others in the same situation I'm in? Any info you have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[Capt Alfredo]

BRUWIN,

I don't have children but I am mil-to-mil, meaning I still have a household to maintain here. I can't afford to lose my BAS/BAH. Plus, the hubby would not be too thrilled about visiting and living in dorms as he hasn't lived in dorms in 20 yrs lol! Anyhow, Did you come across others in the same situation I'm in? Any info you have will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Why not call the 316th and ask them what their policy is?

[BRUWIN]

Why not call the 316th and ask them what their policy is?


Or Goodfellow housing. The Mil to Mil one is tough to answer.

[BigBrownEyes]

I called the 316th and they didn't really know (at least that's what they said), they referred me to finance, got with them and they referred me to housing, but , no one answered the phone at housing lol! oh well. I have time to get things straightend out. Thanks for your input.

[buckeyefan221]

I'm new to this message board site. I am a SSgt and a maintainer who is getting crosstrained into Imagery Analysis. I've been at Langley for 5 years and this is my first PCS to Goodfellow for training. I was wondering if anyone knows how this whole thing is going to work when I get down to Goodfellow and if anyone has any advice. Thanks- Chris

[BRUWIN]

I'm new to this message board site. I am a SSgt and a maintainer who is getting crosstrained into Imagery Analysis. I've been at Langley for 5 years and this is my first PCS to Goodfellow for training. I was wondering if anyone knows how this whole thing is going to work when I get down to Goodfellow and if anyone has any advice. Thanks- Chris


Talk to the folks at DGS-1 (30IS i believe) at Langley and explain you're retraining into 1N1. They should have some retrainees there that could help you out. We are getting a lot of retrainees into Imagery and DGS-1 gets a lot of them when they get out of Goodfellow. If you get no help get back to me on this thread.

[BRUWIN]

I called the 316th and they didn't really know (at least that's what they said), they referred me to finance, got with them and they referred me to housing, but , no one answered the phone at housing lol! oh well. I have time to get things straightend out. Thanks for your input.


If you are getting no help from Goodfellow than I would get the First Sergeant on it to help you. You should have some idea what can be done in your circumstances by now and if folks aren't helping you than that's unacceptable. The Shirt gets paid to help troops in situations like this. Don't let people force you to go into this blindly. I made that mistake when i retrained and hosed myself. I was told my wife and kid had to PCS with me for the 6 months training rather than stay in base housing where we were at until I was done. Turns out once I got to Goodfellow that it was not the case at all and I could have left my family in Arizona rather than PCS my family twice in that year.

[MERC8401]

That wouldn't happen to be accepting 14 yr TSgt's would they? I'd love to do that job.

[BRUWIN]

That wouldn't happen to be accepting 14 yr TSgt's would they? I'd love to do that job.


Of course we would. All you need is 3 years retainability. But if your already in a critcally manned career field it would be tough. If your not than now is your chance.

[MERC8401]

Well hell then I might just have to look into it. My current enlistment is up in December and only about an hour and a half from Goodfellow. I'm currently at Dyess....booo.

[MERC8401]

Of course we would. All you need is 3 years retainability. But if your already in a critcally manned career field it would be tough. If your not than now is your chance.

So I take it you are in the career field? If so...would you mind if I PM'd you and asked you a few questions?

[BRUWIN]

So I take it you are in the career field? If so...would you mind if I PM'd you and asked you a few questions?


Yes I am and I have no problem with that.