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09-08-2008, 12:27 PM
The Air Force is putting the new service dress coat on ice for a year so it can focus on fixing problems with uniforms airmen already wear.

At a major meeting of service leadership Aug. 17, Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz decided the uniforms branch should fix physical training gear, the airman battle uniform and the all-purpose environmental clothing system jacket before moving on to anything new.

“First things first,” echoed Lt. Gen. Richard Newton, deputy chief of staff for manpower and personnel. “Let’s get those improvements in the field now because our airmen ... are the ones getting the mission done day in, day out.”

Wear-testing of the new heritage service dress coat wraps up Oct. 31. But rather than make a decision immediately after the wear-test on how to proceed, Newton said, the project will be tabled until next summer.

Redesigned PT gear
Fixing the PT gear is the uniform branch’s top priority right now, said Ruth Ewalt, chief of Air Force uniform programs and policy.

“We’ve put a priority on the PT gear because everybody is wearing that,” she said.

The constant “swishing” sound of the PT uniform fabric has been a source of irritation to many airmen, and the uniform branch has heard their pleas.

“It’s noisy,” Ewalt said. “It’s stiff. You couldn’t sneak up on someone, that’s for sure.”

But soon, PT shorts and sweat suits will be made with a better fabric, similar to what is offered on workout gear on the commercial market.

The PT shorts also will be a little longer, resolving a long-standing complaint of fashion-conscious airmen.

Larger sizes will be lengthened by 1 inch, Ewalt said, and smaller sizes will be lengthened by a half-inch.

The shorts also will have a more comfortable lining, she said, and normal side pockets will replace the small — some would say useless — pockets on the current shorts.

These improved PT gear items are currently being tested and could be fielded early next summer. But it will take a couple of years until they are in full production and available everywhere, Ewalt said.

Coming right away is a new long-sleeved T-shirt, which will be added to the PT pile of gear and available in Army and Air Force Exchange Service stores beginning in October.

The shirt will look the same as the short-sleeved T-shirt, except for the sleeves.
Airman battle uniform

Fielded in spring 2007, the ABU has been well-received, but there are some kinks to work out.

The most common complaint is that the blouse is too heavy and too hot.

The service is changing to a lighter-weight fabric for the blouse. The pants will remain the same weight because the heavier ones are more durable, Ewalt said.

About 200 to 300 lighter-weight blouses will be wear-tested in the war zones beginning early next year. They will be available in AAFES stores around June 2010.

The limited number of vendors means it will take a while to get the blouses into full production.

“We’re also competing [for manufacturer capability] with the other services, and they’re all in the same [situation] we are,” she said.

Ewalt said another complaint — inconsistent colors in the fabric — already has been solved.

The first ABU initiative to hit the field will be a new combat version that will be available starting in January. Only airmen deploying to the war zones can get one, and they can’t wear it anywhere else.

The fabric will be fire-retardant, Ewalt said, and the pockets will be different, reflecting suggestions from airmen in theater. Shoulder pockets similar to those on the Army uniform have been added, and the leg pockets have been moved for easier access.

“It just adds options for stowage of their gear that they didn’t have before,” Ewalt said. “It has all the buttons, whistles and horns the theater needed.”

The combat ABUs are likely to be distributed in theater, she said, although the logistics have not been finalized.

Changes also are on the way for the green suede boots, which many airmen have complained become dirty and scuffed too easily.

A stain-resistant material for the boots is in the works, and a few different materials are being tested. But it will likely be two years before stain-resistant boots can be fielded.

There also is a proposal to allow airmen in industrial work environments — flightline maintainers, for example — to wear black boots, which would be less likely to show grease and dirt, but Ewalt said no decision has been made.
Jacket is hard to get

Ewalt said there are no problems with the APECS jacket, except that it’s hard to get.

About 12,000 have been sent to the theater, and the manufacturer is producing 11,250 jackets per month. But that production rate is not enough to keep up with demand, Ewalt said.

“Limited production has kept us hostage on our outerwear,” she said.

The limited supply of jackets remaining after theater needs are met is being sent to selected AAFES stores in cold-weather locations, she said.

In January, Newton decided to allow airmen to wear woodland-pattern jackets with ABUs if the APECS jacket was not yet available. That order expired in June, but an Air Force official said they will consider whether to reissue the order this winter, based on the availability of the APECS jacket.

Further uniform tweaks are likely as new issues and problems come to light. Many of the current changes came at the suggestion of airmen, and Newton said he encourages airmen to use a new online tool that allows them to make uniform suggestions.

“The test that’s most important to me is how this thing is working out there,” he said. “Is the uniform functional? Is it compatible with their mission?”

Airmen can make their own suggestions at https://ipds.csd.disa.mil/IPDS/landing_page.

The page also can be accessed by going to the Air Force Portal online and typing “uniforms” in the search box at the upper right-hand corner. That will take airmen to the uniforms Web site, from which they can click a link to the uniform suggestions page.

But Ewalt said the site is not for customer service complaints.

“It is for suggestions and ideas for improvement,” she said.


Article: http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2008/09/airforce_uniforms_090808w/

Unregistered
09-09-2008, 09:57 AM
So they are making the PT shorts an inch longer? Good. now they will only be 6 inches too short instead of seven.

BigBaze
09-14-2008, 03:26 PM
It amazes me that they messed up not one, but two different uniforms! Being up here at McGuire which is connected to Fort Dix, the clothing sales is on the Army side, and going through there the other day to get new ribbons for my blues (Let's not go there right now) I took the chance to walk to the Army section and check out their PT uniform. It is simple, looks good, and is comfortable. Breathable shorts which are longer than 6", and you can either get the regular T-Shirt or the long sleeved one..(imagine that). I didn't get a chance to look at the running pants but I am sure they are better then anything we have. The point is, simple is the way to go sometimes. I am waiting for that new improved ABU to buy one set for those base beautification days. (you think the ABU is hot, wear a flight suit while setting up a tent) :) I actually was looking forward to seeing a new dress coat because out of all the services, ours looks plain and unoriginal.

CarolinaSarge
09-14-2008, 04:39 PM
The first ABU initiative to hit the field will be a new combat version that will be available starting in January. Only airmen deploying to the war zones can get one, and they can’t wear it anywhere else.

The fabric will be fire-retardant, Ewalt said, and the pockets will be different, reflecting suggestions from airmen in theater. Shoulder pockets similar to those on the Army uniform have been added, and the leg pockets have been moved for easier access.

“It just adds options for stowage of their gear that they didn’t have before,” Ewalt said. “It has all the buttons, whistles and horns the theater needed.”

The combat ABUs are likely to be distributed in theater, she said, although the logistics have not been finalized

What happened to the one uniform concept that the ABU was conceived under. Why not just make the new one the standard??

Changes also are on the way for the green suede boots, which many airmen have complained become dirty and scuffed too easily.

A stain-resistant material for the boots is in the works, and a few different materials are being tested. But it will likely be two years before stain-resistant boots can be fielded.

There also is a proposal to allow airmen in industrial work environments — flightline maintainers, for example — to wear black boots, which would be less likely to show grease and dirt, but Ewalt said no decision has been made

Why not just use the tan boots that are in the inventory EVERYWHERE. They are cheaper than the green boots and more durable. Get rid of the pickle boots PLEASE!

technomage1
09-14-2008, 10:24 PM
The thing that irritates me about the uniform changes - all of these issues were identified early in the testing phase - and were ignored. Don't roll out a uniform until you fix the substantial problems with it. I don't mind minor issues - nothing will ever be perfect for everybody all the time, but the thickness of the ABU fabric, the PT short length, and the PT pant/jacket stiffness are issues that affect nearly everybody.

Come on, we can do better than this.

TheShaggy
09-15-2008, 09:21 AM
They keep saying that the ABU has been well recieved and yet the only thing I hear about it is complaints. Who are these people asking? A bunch of "Yes Men"? Don't know why I even asked the question, I already knew the answer. Everyone on the board needs to pull their heads out of their asses for once in their life

THELADYKT
09-15-2008, 12:10 PM
They keep saying that the ABU has been well recieved and yet the only thing I hear about it is complaints. Who are these people asking? A bunch of "Yes Men"? Don't know why I even asked the question, I already knew the answer. Everyone on the board needs to pull their heads out of their asses for once in their life

I remember reading somewhere that its the AF Academy that does wear testing on this stuff.....

TheShaggy
09-15-2008, 02:16 PM
I remember reading somewhere that its the AF Academy that does wear testing on this stuff.....

Oh great yeah that is smart. Let the kids who haven't done anything operational and will say yes to just about anything test out the uniforms we will wear.

DogPile12
09-17-2008, 06:42 AM
Watched a retrospective of the air war in the Persian Gulf War last night. I know jungle BDUs make no sense on a desert flight line, but they sure "looked" much better than the ABUs. Big striipes, patches...
Must be subjective.

Rastaman
09-17-2008, 11:20 AM
The thing that irritates me about the uniform changes - all of these issues were identified early in the testing phase - and were ignored. Don't roll out a uniform until you fix the substantial problems with it. I don't mind minor issues - nothing will ever be perfect for everybody all the time, but the thickness of the ABU fabric, the PT short length, and the PT pant/jacket stiffness are issues that affect nearly everybody.

Come on, we can do better than this.

Just think of all the money that could be spent on more important things if those in charge had just listened to the input from the field on these new uniforms...:mad:

ChaplainC
09-18-2008, 05:07 PM
I remember reading somewhere that its the AF Academy that does wear testing on this stuff.....

Actually, the people at the USAFA who are wear testing these items are the enlisted staff outside of the school area. But yes, they take a lot of pride in the USAFA so they do tend to get the new stuff first. I actually called up the clothing sales there and they had the full line of ABU stuff about four months before I could find it anywhere else, including Maxwell.

Oh great yeah that is smart. Let the kids who haven't done anything operational and will say yes to just about anything test out the uniforms we will wear.

I think if you had spent any time at the USAFA then you would know that those kids are anything but a bunch of yes men. They are more likely to through a temper tantrum than say yes sir to anything.

Pueblo
09-20-2008, 08:51 AM
I say go back to the Billy Mitchell coat. Who cares if I have to tailor if to my neck?

Filterbing
11-01-2008, 10:21 PM
Something I'm dealing with that no one has mentioned is that the boots for the ABU aren't made for cold enviroments. Everyone is worried about the uniform being hot (which it is in hot enviroments) The boots authorized don't cut it in the snow. At least with black boots you could get any black insulated boot. If there is an insulated green suede boot I haven't seen it.