Beyond Belief! Major Jill Metzger (supposedly disabled) Competes In AF Marathon!

[WillsPowers]

Can you believe this---"Under investigation" forever Major Jill Metzger, supposedly 100% disabled, showed at the AF Marathon and was fawned over by adoring brass---Hey, where's the AF Times? Get in there you guys, your "hero" is being paraded around by the brass! Whoo Hoo!!



METZGER TREATED LIKE "CELEBRITY" AT 2008
AIR FORCE MARATHON - 100% "DISABLED" OFFICER
FINISHED 59TH IN GRUELING RACE - JILL'S LIES
ABOUT HER "KIDNAPPING" IN KYRGYZSTAN
FORGOTTEN - "MAYBE CRIME DOES PAY," SAYS
MARATHON PARTICIPANT SHOCKED TO SEE
"ARROGANT" JILL APPLAUDED - OFFICIALS AT
DAYTON, OHIO EVENT GENUFLECT AS SPOILED
AIR FORCE ADMIN OFFICER BRAGS THAT SCOTT
AFB "PAID" HER MARATHON ENTRY FEE


If you are a genuinely wounded or disabled veteran, home from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, we suggest you skip reading this story. If you do, you may lose your lunch, as well as any respect you might have had for the folks who run the United States Air Force.

Maj. Jill Metzger, the pampered and protected poster girl, whose lies about being "kidnapped" in Kyrgyzstan in 2006 apparently have been forgiven and forgotten - do YOU think you would have escaped punishment if you had gone AWOL, disobeyed a direct order, given a false official statement, committed adultery and fraternization, and clearly exhibited "conduct unbecoming an officer?" - stunned marathon participants by arrogantly showing up for the race despite her being rated 100% "disabled" due to PTSD.

"I was shocked to see her and how obnoxious she was," said a fellow long-distance runner, who first encountered the well-connected major on the bus before the event began.

PROTECTED JILL IMMUNE FROM PUNISHMENT UNDER UCMJ -
HAS CONNECTIONS IN HIGH PLACES

For background on Metzger's "special treatment" and celebrity status - she's a two-time Marathon winner; daughter of a doting and "deep in denial" colonel daddy (who has friends in high places); and apparently is still married to a much younger junior officer who works for the feared OSI, look below on our home page for the three-part series we did that blew the lid off the shameful Jill Metzger cover-up.

In those articles, we quoted an OSI agent who investigated Maj. Metzger's "abduction" and who called the hunt "a wild goose chase." He related how Metzger was "deceptive" and "contradictory" before "clamming up" to investigators; how she failed a polygraph test, and in a breakdown in the gym at Moody AFB in late 2006, admitted she'd had two "affairs" while deployed to Manas AFB in Kyrgyzstan.

"The word came down. Lay off her. She has someone big by the balls," said the OSI agent. Other sources indicate one or more general officers, allegedly compromised by Jill, are protecting her from any discipline in order to save their own careers.

It is said by some observers, the suspicious award to Jill of a 100% "disability" rating for PTSD may have been a "payoff" to the pampered and "bulletproof" Metzger so she won't rat out senior officers who allegedly have been involved with the self-centered admin 0-4.

For Air Force rank-and-file, they will just have to accept the fact they've got to obey the UCMJ. Jill is a privileged character, however, and can write her own ticket and dictate her own terms. As long as the Air Force continues to stonewall inquiries about the status of the "investigation" that started more than two years ago - no official announcement of the findings has ever been released - those guilty can take comfort they "got away with it."

In a unique departure from our usual format, we are going to quote directly and extensively from an INTEL report. That is a report made by a source on the ground - we have them at every U.S. military base in CONUS and overseas - that is used with other information and refined into the stories that you see and love so much here on MilitaryCorruption.com

AN EYEWITNESS ACCOUNT FROM A MARATHON PARTICIPANT
WHO SAW JILL UP CLOSE

So, here we go with an eyewitness report from a marathon participant who observed the odious Jill Metzger at close quarters:

"I couldn't believe she was there! I mean, after all that's come out about her and the so-called disability rating. How can they (Air Force) allow such a thing to happen? She was like, mocking us, loud and bragging about herself. Her mother was on the bus with a GO JILL sign.

"The staff was parading her around like she was a queen. God, that made me sick! They had her on the stage for the beginning ceremony and some general introduced her. She made some remarks, I really don't remember now exactly what she said, just that I was appalled that this was happening before my eyes.

"After she got done talking, she put on a special cover-up, to keep herself warm. It was made of plastic with Air Force insignia on it. Then it was time to start. Jill pulled the cover off and and just tossed it on the ground! That was so disrespectful. She could have handed it to someone. But I said to myself that what she did was appropriate in that by even being there, after all that had transpired, all the embarrassment she had brought to the Air Force, tossing it down like that was symbolic of her arrogance and contempt for others.

How did I know it was Jill? We were together on the bus and it was well-lit. She was boasting to everyone about her coming back to the Air Force and that Scott AFB had paid her entry fee. I think she already knew one of the runners sitting a few seats down. They seemed tight with each other.

"All I can say is, I'm glad she didn't win. She was absolutely insufferable.

"I guess crime does pay, at least when it comes to Jill," the runner disgustedly told an MCC reporter.

[Smeghead]

3 hours, 11 minutes, 18 seconds. Not bad for a 100% disabled veteran. And she ran under her own name, didn't even try to quietly enter under her maiden name as previously suspected.

I'm not even sure what to think about this. I've heard stories from folks deployed to Manas at the same time. Can't verify what's rumor and what's fact but ... wow. Absolute shit if it ever does turn out to be true.

Hopefully the story blows up even bigger. A little more fame will help raise my eBay price on the dec order she autographed for me when I PCSd from Moody

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

So far, I just see a bunch of innuendo. where is the link to the actual story and from what source?

[smarg]

The guy posting these tabloid sections is obsessed for some reason...I'm guessing he's an ex, and she ditched him. :D

[DogPile12]

The guy posting these tabloid sections is obsessed for some reason...I'm guessing he's an ex, and she ditched him. :D

You got that right. He's like a cyberstalker. All Jill All the Time! That said, runners are weird.

[smarg]

You got that right. He's like a cyberstalker. All Jill All the Time! That said, runners are weird.

And how! McPeak was a runner. Dude looked/looks like a skeletor.:D

[Smeghead]

And how! McPeak was a runner. Dude looked/looks like a skeletor.:D

That'll be Secretary Skeletor in a few months. (/shudders)

[Kalbo607]

I have no connection to Maj Metzger, but I know it is a slap in the face to many combat vets who have PTSD and don't get the same treatment she did. I am not a Dr. maybe she does have PTSD maybe she doesn't. They have to fight and fight for benefits.

She was given special treatment plain and simple and I believe she pulled a fast one over one the Air Force and tax payers.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

I have no connection to Maj Metzger, but I know it is a slap in the face to many combat vets who have PTSD and don't get the same treatment she did. I am not a Dr. maybe she does have PTSD maybe she doesn't. They have to fight and fight for benefits.

She was given special treatment plan and simple and I believe she pulled a fast one over one the Air Force and tax payers.

As with a previous poster, all I see are generalities. If you are going to slam a person's character, then provide specifics and proof. Otherwise, you are just providing general slams with nothing to back them up.

[WillsPowers]

Major Jill Metzger will make a great Air Force Undersecretary for "Women's Affairs" in an Obama Administration.

[Boss Hog]

:confused:

Yo, USAFAggie--

You mean you actually believe the Air Force (sorta official) account of this sordid mess?

YGBSM. Ya gotta lay off the Kool Aid, dude. Not all dog do-do looks alike, but most of it smells the same.

Try going back and reading some background on this embarassment.

[WillsPowers]

I can't believe the people coming in here blaming us for the Major Jill Metzger scandal. According to them, we are to blame for what happened. It's all our fault that the Air Force won't come clean. It's our fault the AF Times / Gannett and the rest of the media complex can't do their jobs!

Nobody cares we are told. When we remind them of the facts (like the increased rental cost of $130,000,000 a year (in perpetuity) we are still met with "nobody cares and it's all YOUR fault". When we remind the naysayers that the same leadership that hypocritically preaches "core values" while refusing to tell the truth represents a failure of leadership we are again told "so what--get over it, nobody cares, its YOUR fault etc".

All of these paper cuts add up. The Air Force is dying and congress is cutting it's budgets. Congress knows about this scandal. Generals are running to Barrack Obama's skirt for protection. Do you really want Tony McPeak as a Sec of Defense?---this after he disgraced himself by running with Jill Metzger last week at the marathon!

Why are you guys loyal to a leadership that clearly has betrayed you and the people? You should rise up in revolt against them. Look at them---they are scared of a revolt. They are scared of you and me! The OSI is a bunch of demoralized wimps---they couldn't catch a cold if their lvies (and ours) depended on it. They know their leader, General Simmons is complicit in all of this mess and they are not happy. I encourage all good agents to expose what is happening and to cough up the documents that show what happened with this horrible misconduct and subsequent coverup.

Let's keep the pressure up. Let's continue to expose this and bring those responsible to justice.

[Your_Name_Here]

I can't believe the people coming in here blaming us for the Major Jill Metzger scandal. According to them, we are to blame for what happened. It's all our fault that the Air Force won't come clean. It's our fault the AF Times / Gannett and the rest of the media complex can't do their jobs!

Nobody cares we are told. When we remind them of the facts (like the increased rental cost of $130,000,000 a year (in perpetuity) we are still met with "nobody cares and it's all YOUR fault". When we remind the naysayers that the same leadership that hypocritically preaches "core values" while refusing to tell the truth represents a failure of leadership we are again told "so what--get over it, nobody cares, its YOUR fault etc".

All of these paper cuts add up. The Air Force is dying and congress is cutting it's budgets. Congress knows about this scandal. Generals are running to Barrack Obama's skirt for protection. Do you really want Tony McPeak as a Sec of Defense?---this after he disgraced himself by running with Jill Metzger last week at the marathon!

Why are you guys loyal to a leadership that clearly has betrayed you and the people? You should rise up in revolt against them. Look at them---they are scared of a revolt. They are scared of you and me! The OSI is a bunch of demoralized wimps---they couldn't catch a cold if their lvies (and ours) depended on it. They know their leader, General Simmons is complicit in all of this mess and they are not happy. I encourage all good agents to expose what is happening and to cough up the documents that show what happened with this horrible misconduct and subsequent coverup.

Let's keep the pressure up. Let's continue to expose this and bring those responsible to justice.

WP,

I have thus far failed to find anywhere that lays blame on you or your website for the Maj. Metzger mess or anything else. I can't speak for anyone but myself here, but being on AD does put a cramp in your style, in terms of stirring the pot OR "rising up in revolt"--Article 94 of the UCMJ ring any bells? But the great thing is--that's where YOU come in: to be that voice/conscience that I as a member on AD can't be. I know there is a network of CI's on the lookout for dirt, and if I had any, I might even be tempted to share.
I for one think you have mistaken what should be healthy skepticism for loyalty to leadership--hypocritical or otherwise. The sensationalistic tone of your articles--and there's no denying that element--makes it just a wee bit more difficult to take seriously/at face value. Let's face it: the way they read, they would seem less out of place in the National Enquirer than they would in the (your fave newspaper here.)
Don't get me wrong here--I am a regular reader of MCC.com, and think you are overall doing a great service in "touching the untouchable." But what else can a "Nobody" like me do? I'm not anywhere near Moody AFB, or any other part of the story. Maybe our next question should be: When will Congress decide enough is enough and begin a IG or GAO investigation? or How do we know something isn't in the works already--Gen Schwartz is off to a good start so far. I wouldn't write him off so quickly.

[DogPile12]

Can someone post a pic of Jill in her marathon gear so I can check out that fine junk?

[Devosquid]

Let me be perfectly clear on this issue. The staff at MCC goes through extreem measures to ensure fair reporting. If MCC was all Jill all the time then did all the rest of the storys dissapear just like Iraq's weapons of mass distruction. You remember these words. Integrety 1st, Service before self and eccelence in all we do? The AIR FORCE Core Values.....Isent Jill an AIR FORCE OFFICER so by lieing and covering up whatever really happened in Manas she violates the core values and therefor assanates her own charater. MCC is just simply the facts.
I am Squid

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

:confused:

Yo, USAFAggie--

You mean you actually believe the Air Force (sorta official) account of this sordid mess?

YGBSM. Ya gotta lay off the Kool Aid, dude. Not all dog do-do looks alike, but most of it smells the same.

Try going back and reading some background on this embarassment.

No, I just don't believe in BS articles with no citations or proof of their contentions. I don't believe in being part of a lynch mob until there is proof. I don't believe in forming opinions based on bias or preconceptions like some people who can barely spell or write.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

Let me be perfectly clear on this issue. The staff at MCC goes through extreem measures to ensure fair reporting. If MCC was all Jill all the time then did all the rest of the storys dissapear just like Iraq's weapons of mass distruction. You remember these words. Integrety 1st, Service before self and eccelence in all we do? The AIR FORCE Core Values.....Isent Jill an AIR FORCE OFFICER so by lieing and covering up whatever really happened in Manas she violates the core values and therefor assanates her own charater. MCC is just simply the facts.
I am Squid

As I said before, show me the proof of your contentions. Show me documents, pictures, verifiable eyewitness statements. Posting slurs against a person's character and reputation without any proof is just as low of character as the person you are writing about. No proof equates to hypocrisy and lack of moral character.

[Shrike]

I can't believe the people coming in here blaming us for the Major Jill Metzger scandal. According to them, we are to blame for what happened. It's all our fault that the Air Force won't come clean. It's our fault the AF Times / Gannett and the rest of the media complex can't do their jobs!

Can you link to the multiple posts claiming this? I assume that for you to be making the above claim, there are multiple posts (hence your plural "people" and "them") directly blaming you for the scandal. As such, you should easily be able to link to said posts.

I don't believe the official version of events surrounding the Metzger Mess, but you do yourself no favors when you post crap like the above.

[Devosquid]

Its only a question of Time (Depesh Mode 1984) before the main streem media will take up this story. So you can say that MCC.com brought it to you first.

[Boss Hog]

As I said before, show me the proof of your contentions. Show me documents, pictures, verifiable eyewitness statements. Posting slurs against a person's character and reputation without any proof is just as low of character as the person you are writing about. No proof equates to hypocrisy and lack of moral character.

Yo, USAFAggie--

If you'll go back far 'nuff, you'll see some captured video pics of the Ret (?, sorta) Maj Metzger exiting (unaccompanied) the department store from which she was allegedly kidnapped.

By-the-bye, what's your dog in this fight? You wouldn't happen to be a friend of hers would you?

An' also, by-the-bye, there seems to be plenty of "proof" around to dispel any issues of "hypocrisy [sic] and lack of moral character."

My recommendation: less Kool Aid, more coffee (not decaf).

Out. :(

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

Yo, USAFAggie--

If you'll go back far 'nuff, you'll see some captured video pics of the Ret (?, sorta) Maj Metzger exiting (unaccompanied) the department store from which she was allegedly kidnapped.

By-the-bye, what's your dog in this fight? You wouldn't happen to be a friend of hers would you?

An' also, by-the-bye, there seems to be plenty of "proof" around to dispel any issues of "hypocrisy [sic] and lack of moral character."

My recommendation: less Kool Aid, more coffee (not decaf).

Out. :(

I have no personal interest. However, I have yet to see any compelling videos that have the smoking gun. If anyone is drinking kool aid, it is you who is so eager to be on the conspiracy band wagon. I believe in due process and not being part of lynch mob.

[TJMAC77SP]

I have no personal interest. However, I have yet to see any compelling videos that have the smoking gun. If anyone is drinking kool aid, it is you who is so eager to be on the conspiracy band wagon. I believe in due process and not being part of lynch mob.

Well, I don't know about the alleged far-flung conspiracy but the case does stink to high heaven. There is enough that at least an independent investigation is called for. As the old saying goes...."sometimes perception becomes reality". One problem here seems to be that 'due-process' has been halted prematurely.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

Well, I don't know about the alleged far-flung conspiracy but the case does stink to high heaven. There is enough that at least an independent investigation is called for. As the old saying goes...."sometimes perception becomes reality". One problem here seems to be that 'due-process' has been halted prematurely.


I would have to agree with you on that point. I'm not saying that there aren't questions, but I'm also not so ready to assume the worst of someone. Also, to say that she is AF royalty is a bit of a stretch. Her dad is only a Colonel. Trust me, my old man was an SES for the Navy and the equivalent of a two star. That still didn't prevent me from serving three years, nine months, four days, 12 1/2 hours in ND. :)

[Boss Hog]

I have no personal interest. However, I have yet to see any compelling videos that have the smoking gun. If anyone is drinking kool aid, it is you who is so eager to be on the conspiracy band wagon. I believe in due process and not being part of lynch mob.

One more time: my recommendation; less Kool Aid, more non-decaf coffee.

I fell off the wagon a long time ago, and I'm running to catch up.

I left my noose at home. However, I do have some really dry twigs & stuff that I could ignite. Got a match?

Duh, didja look at the department store security videos? (This is a highly-suggested activity for you.)

Have a nice aerocyberspace day! :rolleyes:

[johca]

Although Personnel Recovery (PR) is typically thought of as the rescue and recovery of downed aircrew in denied or hostile environment, however Air Force Personnel Recovery Operations (PRO) philosophy is based on the assumption that PRO forces must be prepared to recover any isolated personnel anytime, anyplace. If Major Metzger’s unexplained absence involved capture or kidnapping provide AF Form 3962, RCC Non-Aircraft Incident Log entry of her being reported missing or of her reintegration.

Moody AFB is home for Personnel Recovery capabilities and assets. Very strange no effort was made to follow Personnel Recovery Operations and procedures specifically in regards to reintegration. The reintegration task begins when the recovery force relinquishes physical control of previously isolated personnel to a designated team member or organization in the theater reintegration process. As part of reintegration, PRO forces collect perishable essential intelligence and survival, evasion, resistance, escape (SERE) information, while at the same time tending to the physical and psychological welfare of recovered isolated personnel.

Even without Major Metzger’s tale of capture, escape, and evasion, her disappearance does fall under Section 1501 of Title 10, USC, Missing Person Act. Consequently negligence, incompetence, or cover-up at her deployed location and Moody AFB? Pick one.

[johca]

I have no personal interest. However, I have yet to see any compelling videos that have the smoking gun. If anyone is drinking kool aid, it is you who is so eager to be on the conspiracy band wagon. I believe in due process and not being part of lynch mob. Me too. Unfortunately no due process has happened pertinent to inquiry that determines facts and truths as more than one public law put into place by U.S. Congress requires.

Although Personnel Recovery (PR) is typically thought of as the rescue and recovery of downed aircrew in denied or hostile environment, however Air Force Personnel Recovery Operations (PRO) philosophy is based on the assumption that PRO forces must be prepared to recover any isolated personnel anytime, anyplace. If Major Metzger’s unexplained absence involved capture or kidnapping provide AF Form 3962, RCC Non-Aircraft Incident Log entry of her being reported missing or of her reintegration.

Moody AFB is home for Personnel Recovery capabilities and assets. Very strange no effort was made to follow Personnel Recovery Operations and procedures specifically in regards to reintegration. The reintegration task begins when the recovery force relinquishes physical control of previously isolated personnel to a designated team member or organization in the theater reintegration process. As part of reintegration, PRO forces collect perishable essential intelligence and survival, evasion, resistance, escape (SERE) information, while at the same time tending to the physical and psychological welfare of recovered isolated personnel.

Even without Major Metzger’s tale of capture, escape, and evasion, her disappearance does fall under Section 1501 of Title 10, USC, Missing Person Act. Consequently negligence, incompetence, or cover-up at her deployed location and Moody AFB? Your pick.

Even without the public law requirements of the Title 10 Missing person act, Major Metzger’s absence without authority and unauthorized absence entangles her disability into other public law requirements of Line of Duty Determination of the absence being authorized or unauthorized and the injuries resulted from her own misconduct or not.

Does lack of or omission to do a line of duty determination increase or decrease probability of Unlawful Influence by somebody in the chain of command attempt to coerce or, by any unauthorized means, influence a PEB or the outcome of any disability case? The lack of mandatory required inquiries that must determine an ascertaining of dates, places, persons and events definitely and accurately that indicates cover-up and deceit at the highest levels of command. What is your explanation for why such inquiries were not done?

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

Me too. Unfortunately no due process has happened pertinent to inquiry that determines facts and truths as more than one public law put into place by U.S. Congress requires.

Although Personnel Recovery (PR) is typically thought of as the rescue and recovery of downed aircrew in denied or hostile environment, however Air Force Personnel Recovery Operations (PRO) philosophy is based on the assumption that PRO forces must be prepared to recover any isolated personnel anytime, anyplace. If Major Metzger’s unexplained absence involved capture or kidnapping provide AF Form 3962, RCC Non-Aircraft Incident Log entry of her being reported missing or of her reintegration.

Moody AFB is home for Personnel Recovery capabilities and assets. Very strange no effort was made to follow Personnel Recovery Operations and procedures specifically in regards to reintegration. The reintegration task begins when the recovery force relinquishes physical control of previously isolated personnel to a designated team member or organization in the theater reintegration process. As part of reintegration, PRO forces collect perishable essential intelligence and survival, evasion, resistance, escape (SERE) information, while at the same time tending to the physical and psychological welfare of recovered isolated personnel.

Even without Major Metzger’s tale of capture, escape, and evasion, her disappearance does fall under Section 1501 of Title 10, USC, Missing Person Act. Consequently negligence, incompetence, or cover-up at her deployed location and Moody AFB? Your pick.

Even without the public law requirements of the Title 10 Missing person act, Major Metzger’s absence without authority and unauthorized absence entangles her disability into other public law requirements of Line of Duty Determination of the absence being authorized or unauthorized and the injuries resulted from her own misconduct or not.

Does lack of or omission to do a line of duty determination increase or decrease probability of Unlawful Influence by somebody in the chain of command attempt to coerce or, by any unauthorized means, influence a PEB or the outcome of any disability case? The lack of mandatory required inquiries that must determine an ascertaining of dates, places, persons and events definitely and accurately that indicates cover-up and deceit at the highest levels of command. What is your explanation for why such inquiries were not done?

I don't have an explanation nor am I trying to excuse her behavior. I am just not going to base my decision on her due to the inflamattory article at the beginning of this thread.

[johca]

I don't have an explanation nor am I trying to excuse her behavior. I am just not going to base my decision on her due to the inflamattory article at the beginning of this thread.The inflammatory article is not asking for a decision on her but rather expressing outrage of the lack of the chain-of-command not holding her to any accountability of what does the evidence certainly-so demonstrates or what does the weight of the evidence show what possibilities most probably happened.

The context of royalty refers to elite and privileged are accountable to different standards, typically no accountability. It was being used to strongly suggest something is rotten and corrupt within the commissioned ranks holding command and having unfair elitist membership privilege of higher rank and grade.

You do know military commission is appointment to a government office having officer of government obligations and responsibilities and with this appointment comes accountability that is expressed in the UCMJ as the conduct and behavior of an officer and a gentleman? You do realize this holding government office having jurisdiction of military power is what distinguishes commissioned from enlisted ranks and grades?

Do you know that although there is clear requirement in the U.S Constitution that all who are elected or appointed to office are bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution {U.S. Constitution, Article VI). However, the U.S. Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president

Do you know for a short period of time until the Congress repealed it in 1844 the oath or affirmation of all other elected and appointed offices of government included within the oath or affirmation the person being sworn into office declaring they had never previously engaged in criminal or disloyal conduct prior to taking office. Here again an exception should be noted.

Do you know that although not in the oath of military commission TITLE 10--ARMED FORCES Subtitle A--General Military Law PART II—PERSONNEL, CHAPTER 33--ORIGINAL APPOINTMENTS OF REGULAR OFFICERS IN GRADES ABOVE WARRANT OFFICER GRADES, Sec. 532. Qualifications for original appointment as a commissioned officer distinctly and clearly identifies “is of good moral character” as one of five requirements for appointment to the government office and duties of military commission?


Consequently being of good character is relevant and critical qualification pertinent to fitness to hold and perform duties of office holder of a military commission.

Do you think “being of good character” is something Major Jill Metzger’s conduct and behavior should be measured against pertinent to her decisions, acts, and deed that resulted in her unauthorized three day absence which she claims was an event of capture, captivity, and heroic escape and evasion under perils of extraordinary hardship and dangers?

So what’s what is it about measuring her acts, deeds, conduct and behavior that has you unwilling to determine the facts and arriving at what you believed happened and what is right or wrong about her getting a full disability retirement with no official inquiry being accomplished?

[THE SHADOW]

I do know for a fact that she did publicly thanked the folks at HQ AMC for paying her expenses to attend this years marathon. I was there as a volunteer for the race.

When a inquiry was submitted to Scott AFB PA for clarification a response was provided that only raised more questions.

Their response was every year HQ AMC MWR athletics program offers to pay the expenses for returning winners to participate in the following year athletic event. Metzger apparently submitted a package and it was approved. AMC must be OPR for the marathon since WPAFB is a AFMC base and Metzger's last command was ACC. Go figure?:confused:

Now we know she didn't participate in 2007 because research showed that a large contingent was present to protest her participation if she showed. It was believed that AF Marathon sponsors requested her to stay home to avoid any problems.:rolleyes:

OK, some of this I pieced together with postings from various blogs, discussions with AF personnel, and persistence with PA personnel who roll their eyes at the mention of the name "METZGER"

[Boss Hog]

johca--

Thanks for a very well-researched and well-composed reply to the USAFaggie.

'nuff said.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

The inflammatory article is not asking for a decision on her but rather expressing outrage of the lack of the chain-of-command not holding her to any accountability of what does the evidence certainly-so demonstrates or what does the weight of the evidence show what possibilities most probably happened.

The context of royalty refers to elite and privileged are accountable to different standards, typically no accountability. It was being used to strongly suggest something is rotten and corrupt within the commissioned ranks holding command and having unfair elitist membership privilege of higher rank and grade.

You do know military commission is appointment to a government office having officer of government obligations and responsibilities and with this appointment comes accountability that is expressed in the UCMJ as the conduct and behavior of an officer and a gentleman? You do realize this holding government office having jurisdiction of military power is what distinguishes commissioned from enlisted ranks and grades?

Do you know that although there is clear requirement in the U.S Constitution that all who are elected or appointed to office are bound by Oath or Affirmation to support the Constitution {U.S. Constitution, Article VI). However, the U.S. Constitution contains an oath of office only for the president

Do you know for a short period of time until the Congress repealed it in 1844 the oath or affirmation of all other elected and appointed offices of government included within the oath or affirmation the person being sworn into office declaring they had never previously engaged in criminal or disloyal conduct prior to taking office. Here again an exception should be noted.

Do you know that although not in the oath of military commission TITLE 10--ARMED FORCES Subtitle A--General Military Law PART II—PERSONNEL, CHAPTER 33--ORIGINAL APPOINTMENTS OF REGULAR OFFICERS IN GRADES ABOVE WARRANT OFFICER GRADES, Sec. 532. Qualifications for original appointment as a commissioned officer distinctly and clearly identifies “is of good moral character” as one of five requirements for appointment to the government office and duties of military commission?


Consequently being of good character is relevant and critical qualification pertinent to fitness to hold and perform duties of office holder of a military commission.

Do you think “being of good character” is something Major Jill Metzger’s conduct and behavior should be measured against pertinent to her decisions, acts, and deed that resulted in her unauthorized three day absence which she claims was an event of capture, captivity, and heroic escape and evasion under perils of extraordinary hardship and dangers?

So what’s what is it about measuring her acts, deeds, conduct and behavior that has you unwilling to determine the facts and arriving at what you believed happened and what is right or wrong about her getting a full disability retirement with no official inquiry being accomplished?


First of all, I find that your comments were extremely condescending. Yes, I realize that as an officer you are held to a higher standard. Probably more so than you because I was an officer and you weren't. As such, I believe in accountability and backing up accusations with proof. No where in that article did it show any sense of responsible journalism. It came across as muck raking and to readily accept accusations without any proof is just as bad as the lack of morals you are accusing her of being. As such, I won't participate in such hypocrisy. Do I think that everything was on the up and up with her? No, I don't. However, I am not going to take vitriolic rantings at face value. I'll wait to see what the investigation discovers and read the final report. I am tired of the myth that all officers are only out for themselves and that there is a corruption within the officer corps. BS. The majority of the officers I served with took our oath of office and responsibilities seriously. I love the hypocrisy of the enlisted that it is okay for them to disparage the integrity and service of the officer corps, yet if a single officer says anything bad about the enlisted, then he must be a bad officer. In any large organization, you will get your bad with your good. To say that an organization is rotten because of the actions of the few is ludicrous. Also, nice try in trying to quibble your way on the royalty issue. The article clearly stated that she had preferential treatment because her father was a colonel. Anyone that has been in service can tell you that is a bogus claim because a colonel is not senior enough to influence a criminal investigation. If you don't believe me, then look at the Colonel convicted of rape and abuse of his govt card, the vice admiral relieved of his command and flag because of an affair he had back in the early 90s or even the rear admiral recently stripped of his command for making sexual advances on his subordinates. No where in the leading article did it state that she was royalty because she was simply an officer. When I was a cadet, the honor code was instilled in me and I have used it as a guide throughout my life. One lesson I remembered is that quibbling is just as bad as lying because it is a misrepresentation of the truth. Consider that the next time you want to lecture someone on their oath of office.

[Shrike]

I am tired of the myth that all officers are only out for themselves and that there is a corruption within the officer corps. BS. The majority of the officers I served with took our oath of office and responsibilities seriously. I love the hypocrisy of the enlisted that it is okay for them to disparage the integrity and service of the officer corps, yet if a single officer says anything bad about the enlisted, then he must be a bad officer.

So, in defending the entire officer corps against sweeping generalizations about the quality of their character, you make sweeping generalizations about the character of the entire enlisted corps.

BRAVO!

:rolleyes:

[THELADYKT]

I'll wait to see what the investigation discovers and read the final report. .

So anyone know if there is going to be an investigation or report.....or are we all suppposed to forget about this and it goes under the rug?

[Shrike]

So anyone know if there is going to be an investigation or report.....or are we all suppposed to forget about this and it goes under the rug?

We're all supposed to forget about this and it goes under the rug.

[Unregistered]

We're all supposed to forget about this and it goes under the rug.

you can report individuals like that to the VA. save the taxpayers some money

[jsnchrry]

As I said before, show me the proof of your contentions. Show me documents, pictures, verifiable eyewitness statements. Posting slurs against a person's character and reputation without any proof is just as low of character as the person you are writing about. No proof equates to hypocrisy and lack of moral character.

I say theres no reason why she shouldnt be looked into. a 100% disability is a rather substantial claim and she will recieve it for the rest of here life at the expense of joe taxpayer...and that includes you to.. "joe Air Force".

[johca]

First of all, I find that your comments were extremely condescending. Yes, I realize that as an officer you are held to a higher standard. Probably more so than you because I was an officer and you weren't. As such, I believe in accountability and backing up accusations with proof. Yes I’m retired enlisted and obviously I’m not worthy to voice any opinion having any creditability because you re the superior and better person because not only you know what a commissioned officer is you was one and I was not. Although I didn’t post my profile here, I will do that today.

In reading my profile you will see that I was a NCO having line authority which means I led teams to accomplish missions and in fact did so into environments, situations, and circumstances of extraordinary hardships, hazards and extraordinary danger. This doesn’t mean I’m better than you; it does mean however I have been injured one-the-job-being there accomplishing missions as expected. It also means I have been there with others who have not been as lucky as they lost their lives or got more debilitating injured than I have. In the course of my career I was awarded a medal for extraordinary heroism that brought with it a 10% increase in my retirement. Does this make me a better person than anybody here, NO it does not!! It does however give me good reason to find fraud and misuse of the military disability system very despicable. It also gives me very good reason to want an investigation to happen as I know such should have been done and completed before Major Metzger was given a full disability retirement that brought with it all the benefits of an Honorable discharge.

My comments although focused on the precondition mandatory commission appointment requirement of being of good character many in the military do fail to understand why there is punitive offense of conduct unbecoming of an officer and a gentleman. I was explaining why this exists for the benefit of those who don’t know why. I don’t apologize for disclosing information that offends you and obviously puts you into great emotional distress.

My perspective of discussion is about moral competencies, integrity, honor and doing the right thing. Your perspective of discussion appears to be focused on facts don’t matter because the Air Force will investigate and it’s not worthy of discussion any way because its unfair to Major Jill Metzger and offensive to you.

[johca]

The "is of good character" eligibility requirement is directly connected to moral competencies which is inclusive of moral character, wisdom, knowledge, sentiment, strength, and virtuous disposition.

Virtuous disposition is the character traits orientation pertinent to the virtues and vices. The “is of good character” is specifically focused on proper response or strength in self mastery in regard to certain feeling, emotions and desires. The list of virtues include: courage, temperance, generosity, fairness, friendliness, ambition, honesty, wit, modesty, patience, perseverance.

The “is of good character” requirement certainly-so implies vices associated with failure or weakness in self mastery in regard to certain feeling, emotions and desires are character traits a commissioned officer shouldn’t have. The list of vices includes greed, envy, lust, sloth, anger, cowardly, apathetic, untruthful, and insensitive.

Wisdom and knowledge is important as for example having too much courage and no fear can cause bad judgment of not exercising caution in planning to act as an example. The point is although virtues and vices are opposites of a continuum the being 100% fearless may and can be cause for avoidable injury and loss of life. The focus of the Jill Metzger went missing event and the lack of accomplished and completed inquiry into the event has resulted in the “is of good character” being no longer limited to Major Jill Metzger. If it looks like a cover-up, smells like a cover-up, sounds like a cover-up the only way to demonstrate no cover-up is to conclude an investigation and provide a report of the findings. It is now more than two years after the event and not one inquiry has been accomplished that has produced a report of the findings of the facts. Not one official statement vetting her story as being true or false, nothing. The nothing is significant evidence of itself as non-disclosure when public law requires inquiry into the facts is in itself a deceit.

[johca]

I love the hypocrisy of the enlisted that it is okay for them to disparage the integrity and service of the officer corps, yet if a single officer says anything bad about the enlisted, then he must be a bad officer. There is no hypocrisy—NCOs, warrant officers and Commissioned officers are the supervisors and managers within the military unit. As in the civilian world military Supervisors and Managers are held to a higher liability standard for conduct constituting illegal harassment or discrimination of subordinate level personnel. Your example is a symptom of an individual having workplace authority who is unable for whatever reason to establish leader, manager, supervisor interpersonal relationships with subordinate personnel, at the work site and away from work. In this regard it is more your personal problem to resolve as most of the NCOs and commissioned officers I worked with and for never had an encounter with this hypocrite symptom within the performance of their duties.
Commissioned officers do become entangled more often then NCOs as the authority to give a lawful order of the commissioned officer is always over all enlisted and NCO members of the military. Believe it or not there are commissioned officers that hide behind their rank and there are commissioned officers that arrogantly enjoy the privilege of their rank. In fairness there are NCOs that do the same.

The issue of enlisted hypocrisy pertinent to commissioned is also negated by the eligibility character qualification for award and retention of commission is being of good character. There is no being of good character requirement for enlisted. The enlisted requirement is good conduct is desirable which is why the Good Conduct Medal for enlisted meant something before it was eliminated primarily because “is of good conduct” is lacking within the members of the Air Force’s commissioned ranks and grades. This is the only award and decoration the Air Force has ever done away with and it an award and decoration unique only to the enlisted ranks and grades.

In practice of leading whether through formal authority or informally being of good character is important. A led group’s trust, loyalty, willingness to follow, commitment to actively contribute to accomplishing the mission regardless of the hardships and perils is dependent on the virtuous disposition of the leader and the leaders competence in making the better decisions. If the hypocrisy is offensive to you so be it, you have no line authority and your profile suggest you never had it or any mission team leader experience to give you any true understanding of such being the leader duties and responsibilities.

I’m not lecturing you or anybody on the oath of office. I am very bluntly and truthfully explaining what my life’s experience has taught me of difference between higher pay grade concurrently having privilege of power and actually being a competent leader that is both respected and followed into situations, circumstances, and environments of hardships and perils by others.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

So, in defending the entire officer corps against sweeping generalizations about the quality of their character, you make sweeping generalizations about the character of the entire enlisted corps.

BRAVO!

:rolleyes:

No, if you learned to read, I said the majority of the officers I served with. Bravo, you are proof of the need for improvement in our elementary education system.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

There is no hypocrisy—NCOs, warrant officers and Commissioned officers are the supervisors and managers within the military unit. As in the civilian world military Supervisors and Managers are held to a higher liability standard for conduct constituting illegal harassment or discrimination of subordinate level personnel. Your example is a symptom of an individual having workplace authority who is unable for whatever reason to establish leader, manager, supervisor interpersonal relationships with subordinate personnel, at the work site and away from work. In this regard it is more your personal problem to resolve as most of the NCOs and commissioned officers I worked with and for never had an encounter with this hypocrite symptom within the performance of their duties.
Commissioned officers do become entangled more often then NCOs as the authority to give a lawful order of the commissioned officer is always over all enlisted and NCO members of the military. Believe it or not there are commissioned officers that hide behind their rank and there are commissioned officers that arrogantly enjoy the privilege of their rank. In fairness there are NCOs that do the same.

The issue of enlisted hypocrisy pertinent to commissioned is also negated by the eligibility character qualification for award and retention of commission is being of good character. There is no being of good character requirement for enlisted. The enlisted requirement is good conduct is desirable which is why the Good Conduct Medal for enlisted meant something before it was eliminated primarily because “is of good conduct” is lacking within the members of the Air Force’s commissioned ranks and grades. This is the only award and decoration the Air Force has ever done away with and it an award and decoration unique only to the enlisted ranks and grades.

In practice of leading whether through formal authority or informally being of good character is important. A led group’s trust, loyalty, willingness to follow, commitment to actively contribute to accomplishing the mission regardless of the hardships and perils is dependent on the virtuous disposition of the leader and the leaders competence in making the better decisions. If the hypocrisy is offensive to you so be it, you have no line authority and your profile suggest you never had it or any mission team leader experience to give you any true understanding of such being the leader duties and responsibilities.

I’m not lecturing you or anybody on the oath of office. I am very bluntly and truthfully explaining what my life’s experience has taught me of difference between higher pay grade concurrently having privilege of power and actually being a competent leader that is both respected and followed into situations, circumstances, and environments of hardships and perils by others.

First of all, as a comm squadron flight commander and a missile flight commander, I did have line authority over personnel. Second, I love the way you spout off a lot of words without once addressing the issues I brought up. Are you saying that it is okay for an enlisted man to be disrespectful of an officer? Are you trying to tell me that you can be proffesional doing so? How is allowing such behavior and then condemning officers if they rail on enlisted not hypocritical? Also, you were lecturing on what the oath of office meant. At least own up to that. Third, I never once said that I was better than you. What I said was that I know what the oath of office means for an officer more than you because I was an officer and you weren't. Yes, you may say that you worked with officers, so then that makes you an expert on them. Wrong. That is the same as me saying that because I had ncos working for me that I know everything there is to be an nco. I was prior enlisted before I was an officer. I can tell you emphatically that being an officer is a whole different world. And was I personally offended by your contention of corruption in the officer corps? You are damn right I was in the same way if I said that all ncos are ROAD slackers. You and I both know that the majority of ncos are not slackers and are hard working, dedicated individuals. Similarly, the majority of officers I worked with took their integrity and honor very seriously. Finally, I have repeatedly asked you to show me the facts. You have yet to show me anything. The burdon of proof isn't on me, but on you because you are backing up the rantings of the originator of this post. Also, I have never said that she was in the clear. What I have said repeatedly is that I am not going to take one person's ranting as proof of another's misdeeds. I have read MCCs articles and they wouldn't pass the scrutiny of a freshman journalism class. It comes across as a person's own opinion. So, in the interest of being fair, show me the proof. Simple, isn't it?

[Shrike]

No, if you learned to read, I said the majority of the officers I served with. Bravo, you are proof of the need for improvement in our elementary education system.

No, you said "I love the hypocrisy of the enlisted that it is okay for them to disparage the integrity and service of the officer corps, yet if a single officer says anything bad about the enlisted, then he must be a bad officer."

You mentioned officers you served with first - as I quoted in my original post - and then defended the entire officer corps.

Way to stoop to insults first, instead of actually recognizing that you may have written judgementally in haste. Most good officers that I know would have apologized, instead of digging a hole for themselves.

But since YOU wanted to be insulting, allow me to retort: I read just fine. Perhaps your A&M education left you with your head up various bovine asses so much that you lack an understanding of written communication.

Now, you've insulted, I've insulted. Do we continue, or move on?

[jsnchrry]

First of all, as a comm squadron flight commander and a missile flight commander, I did have line authority over personnel. Second, I love the way you spout off a lot of words without once addressing the issues I brought up. Are you saying that it is okay for an enlisted man to be disrespectful of an officer? Are you trying to tell me that you can be proffesional doing so? How is allowing such behavior and then condemning officers if they rail on enlisted not hypocritical? Also, you were lecturing on what the oath of office meant. At least own up to that. Third, I never once said that I was better than you. What I said was that I know what the oath of office means for an officer more than you because I was an officer and you weren't. Yes, you may say that you worked with officers, so then that makes you an expert on them. Wrong. That is the same as me saying that because I had ncos working for me that I know everything there is to be an nco. I was prior enlisted before I was an officer. I can tell you emphatically that being an officer is a whole different world. And was I personally offended by your contention of corruption in the officer corps? You are damn right I was in the same way if I said that all ncos are ROAD slackers. You and I both know that the majority of ncos are not slackers and are hard working, dedicated individuals. Similarly, the majority of officers I worked with took their integrity and honor very seriously. Finally, I have repeatedly asked you to show me the facts. You have yet to show me anything. The burdon of proof isn't on me, but on you because you are backing up the rantings of the originator of this post. Also, I have never said that she was in the clear. What I have said repeatedly is that I am not going to take one person's ranting as proof of another's misdeeds. I have read MCCs articles and they wouldn't pass the scrutiny of a freshman journalism class. It comes across as a person's own opinion. So, in the interest of being fair, show me the proof. Simple, isn't it?


I'm curious what your stake in defending this officer?

[johca]

Second, I love the way you spout off a lot of words without once addressing the issues I brought up. Are you saying that it is okay for an enlisted man to be disrespectful of an officer? The last time I checked the specific act and deed of being disrespectful is insubordination. Your example was discussing opinion held and not the conduct and behavior of actually doing such. Holding the belief or opinion is not a punishable offense, it the deliberate choice resulting in act and deed having intent to usurp, override, resist the commissioned officer authority that is a punishable offense. Your original statement was limited to holding belief or opinion and not doing the acts of deeds having intent to usurp, override, resist the commissioned officer authority and being held accountable for the doing of such acts and deeds.

Yes, you may say that you worked with officers, so then that makes you an expert on them. Wrong. That is the same as me saying that because I had ncos working for me that I know everything there is to be an nco.Character traits are not the result of or a cause of rank and grade. Neither is leading ability a result of or caused by rank and grade. Character trait and specifically moral competencies are being discussed because (1) is of good character is a requirement put in place by public law for qualification and eligibility to be appointed a military commission and to retain the commission; (2) there is a difference between persons of despicable and infamous character and respected and honored character; (3) NCO duties, responsibilities, accountability and commissioned duties, responsibilities, accountability are being discussed as with greater power and authority comes obligation to higher standards of character accountability; and, (4) my comment was very few officers and NCOs I worked with had to confront contempt or insubordination of subordinates being disrespectful, in those situations I am personally aware of corrective action was swift and the problem no longer existed. In a few cases I have seen commanders removed from command and enlisted receive UCMJ punitive action.



First of all, as a comm squadron flight commander and a missile flight commander, I did have line authority over personnel. Line authority concerns accomplishing military missions on the battlefield or in areas military operations are authorized to be conducted. It is not directly connected to command appointment other than it is referring to the combat chain of command that extends from the President of the United States down to the termination of the chain of command at it lowest level which is the line NCO. This authority isn’t being the commander pertinent to day-to-day administrative or functional management or supervision. Neither is it pertinent to having Article 15 and other UCMJ punishment authority. Line of authority is relevant to having combat mission ready qualifications and being in command of a tactical element or team in similar way Army NCOs command tanks, squads, and other of the smallest tactical elements.

Line of authority is also critical to authority to issue lawful order while leading small tactical elements. The ability to issue orders in such situations does not require a superior-subordinate relationship, but it does require commissioned, warrant, NCO or petty officer rank.

Unless you can identify US Code Title 10 statute, DOD policy, or Department of the Air Force policy or general order a missile flight commander and communications squadron flight commander is not a command appointment duty position. Without command appointment the commissioned officer lacks article 15 and other UCMJ punishment authority over other military members in the unit (this requires both commission appointment and command appointment). Neither does such duty position necessarily bring with it combat mission ready qualifications or line of authority to lead and direct a tactical operation. In this regard it is doubtful you can explain to anybody how authority differs much from the NCO in charge of a flight or detachment. BTW-I was detachment chief of unit deployed to conduct combat operations in 1986, can you explain other than lack of Article 15 and other UCMJ punitive authority how my in-charge-authority and ability to give orders to those in my detachment differed from any of the deployed commissioned commanders of the other units? I can, but I’ll give you another opportunity to demonstrate your superior subject expertise and superiority of commissioned rank. BTW as a retiree I have the freedom to be as blunt as I need and since you are not on active duty you have no rank and grade to insult.

The context of line of authority has nothing to do with disobeying orders, or being insubordinate or disrespectful to superiors.

The primary focus of my comments and opinion is on desired character traits of being a leader, specifically the type of leader builds and sustains willingness in other to keep following and accomplishing even though it is in their best interests to quit or surrender. A line NCO, even a retired former line NCO does not need to be a commissioned officer to be knowledgeable and experienced of what type of character traits it takes to lead others when it involves motivating willingness of others to face hardships and loss of limb and life dangers.

[johca]

Finally, I have repeatedly asked you to show me the facts. You have yet to show me anything. The burdon of proof isn’t on me, but on you because you are backing up the rantings of the originator of this post. Also, I have never said that she was in the clear. What I have said repeatedly is that I am not going to take one person’s ranting as proof of another’s misdeeds. I have read MCCs articles and they wouldn’t pass the scrutiny of a freshman journalism class. It comes across as a person’s own opinion. So, in the interest of being fair, show me the proof. Simple, isn’t it?I have no association with MCC.

The facts are:

1. Major Metzger’s whereabouts became unaccounted for on September 5, 2006 while shopping in Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan. She was missing until she was found alive on September 8, 2006.

2. Major Jill Metzger explained her unauthorized absence that began on September 5, 2006 while deployed to MANAS AB, KYRGYZSTAN resulted from being captured and held captive by kidnappers. Her explanation for how her unauthorized absence ended on to September 8, 2006 is she escaped after overpowering one of her male abductors. During a 74-hour period Major Jill Metzger claims being tortured, abused, and starved sufficiently to loose about 15% of her normal body weight, dropping from her normal weight of 107 pounds to 90 pounds.

3. Store video and other information that has gotten into the pubic domain for scrutiny do not support her being kidnapped or acting under duress of a bomb with note in her pocket or back pack explanation.

4. Relevant is:

Title 10, USC, Missing Persons Act which prescribes obligations, responsibilities, duties, and inquires should a member or members of the armed forces on active duty who is in a missing status; or a civilian employee of the Department of Defense or an employee of a contractor of the Department of Defense who serves in direct support of, or accompanies, the armed forces in the field under orders and who is in a missing status..

DOD Instruction 2310.5, Accounting for Missing Persons, 31 Jan 2000 distinctly and clearly defines “captured” as “A person who has been seized as the result of action of an unfriendly military or paramilitary force in a foreign country.” This instruction prescribes procedures throughout the Department of Defense for the determination of the status of covered persons and for the systematic, comprehensive, and timely collection, analysis, review, dissemination, and periodic update of information related to such persons. The actions required by this instruction would put closure on the accounting of her being or not being a missing person.

DOD Instruction 2310.4, Repatriation of Prisoners of War (POW), Hostages, Peacetime Government Detainees and Other Missing or Isolated Personnel, 21 Nov 2000 prescribes the requirement to ensure all returnee-debriefing information is correctly and expeditiously disseminated to the proper Agencies and more importantly to develop and disseminate studies and reports on lessons learned from returned personnel debriefings.

The actions required by this instruction would put closure on the accounting of her being or not being a missing person unless it is otherwise determined the status was other than missing such as for example deserted, absent without leave, or dead. Clearly Major Jill Metzger is not dead, so was she missing or was she absent without leave, or something else?

5. USC Title 10, chapter 61 makes it clear a disability resulting from the member’s intentional misconduct or willful neglect, or incurred during a period of unauthorized absence are conditions causing ineligibility for permanent or temporary disability retirement entitlements. An inquiry into misconduct is required if misconduct is suspected. Many veterans have had the misfortune of being physically injured doing the mission or subsequently developing traumatic stress reactions (post-traumatic stress disorders) at some time after doing the mission. To be considered for a disability retirement the military member must meet or exceed a 30% disability rating threshold.

USC Title 10, chapter 61--RETIREMENT OR SEPARATION FOR PHYSICAL DISABILITY and/or USC Title 10, Chapter 76-MISSING PERSONS direct board of inquiry be established to look into the whereabouts and status of Major Jill Metzger during the period from September 5, 2006 to September 8, 2006. Considering the substantial probability of Major Metzger’s own personal convictable misconduct or willful neglect, Major Metzger is ineligible for processing for disability retirement evaluation until all inquiry is completed and a line of duty determination has been made.

6. Major Metzger at the time of her disappearance was described as being in excellent health and athletic fitness and considering AFI 10-250 INDIVIDUAL MEDICAL READINESS stipulates members of the Air Force must be medically ready for worldwide deployment to deploy to locations such as (and most certainly-so) MANAS AB, KYRGYZSTAN, it is reasonable to expect and believe Major Jill Metzger had excellent health and athletic fitness on September 5, 2006.

7. The purpose of military law is to promote justice, to assist in maintaining good order and discipline in the armed forces, to promote efficiency and effectiveness in the military establishment, and thereby to strengthen the national security of the United States. Since it is beyond any question and doubt Major Metzger whereabouts and duty status was not known for three days and that her explanation is in significant lack of reasonable validity and probability. If she was not abducted and captured as claimed the most probable remaining causes are all directly resulting from her personal misconduct and unfitness to hold commission.

Her actions, deeds, and acts during the period she went missing need inquiry in order to assign blame or praise. If she is not above the law, inquiry needs to discover and answer if her personal conduct, behavior, and judgment contributed to her going missing or not. If her intentional misconduct or willful neglect is found to be the only direct causes for her going missing, there should some accountability through the military justice system.

Chargeable offenses identified in articles of the UCMJ she could have violated and could be charged with are:

Article 86 Unauthorized Absence (If she was not kidnapped)

Article 107 False Official Statements (If she was not kidnapped)

Article 133 Conduct Unbecoming of an Officer and a Gentleman (if she was not kidnapped)

Article 92 Failure to Obey Order or Regulation (If she was not kidnapped)

Article 134 False Swearing (If her kidnapping and escape explanations are discovered to be false)

Article 134 Adultery (if speculation is discovered to be true)

Article 134 Fraternization (Speculation, may or may not be applicable-just can not be ruled out)

Article 134 Self Injury without intent to avoid service (if her misconduct caused a temporary medical condition making her immediately medically disqualified to continue performing her military duties at the deployed location and even more so if she went AWOL to secretly get medical treatment from an unauthorized treatment center that resulted in further self injury).

Other relevant information: The putting of Air Force Major Jill Metzger on the Temporary Disabled Retired List (TDRL) and keeping her on it with no inquiry to determine the facts and truths relevant her disappearance is an immoral and unethical transgression against all veterans who served their military obligation honorably with good conduct regardless of one enlistment or several.

Major Jill Metzger has been observed running and doing other unhindered intense physical activates and equally as important she apparently was performing military duties commensurate to her rank, grade, and experience in the 347th Mission Support Squadron’s manpower office at Moody AFB, GA. Lacking any observable physical impairment to range of motion of joints, limbs, back neck, or loss of strength, flexibility, dexterity, vision or hearing makes it reasonable to assume her 30% or higher disability rating results primarily from presence of systemic disease or is of psychiatric in nature. It is unlikely a sudden unexpected discovery of a systemic disease is causing the 30% or higher disability rating, consequently it is reasonable to assume the primary rated disability is loss of mental fitness that requires frequent hospitalization, daily psychotropic medications, and regular counseling that brings with it significant industrial impairment (i.e inability to work). She is currently participating in academic studies needed to obtain a Masters Degree and is competitively participating in doing marathon races. Most significantly is her sudden lack of medical fitness and qualification to perform military duties was discovered immediately after her absence without authority or unauthorized absence or capture and escape.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

I'm curious what your stake in defending this officer?

I have non. However, I don't like bullies and basically, the people who started this thread come across as a verbal lynch mob. It bothers my sense of fair play.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

No, you said "I love the hypocrisy of the enlisted that it is okay for them to disparage the integrity and service of the officer corps, yet if a single officer says anything bad about the enlisted, then he must be a bad officer."

You mentioned officers you served with first - as I quoted in my original post - and then defended the entire officer corps.

Way to stoop to insults first, instead of actually recognizing that you may have written judgementally in haste. Most good officers that I know would have apologized, instead of digging a hole for themselves.

But since YOU wanted to be insulting, allow me to retort: I read just fine. Perhaps your A&M education left you with your head up various bovine asses so much that you lack an understanding of written communication.

Now, you've insulted, I've insulted. Do we continue, or move on?

First, you're right. pissing contests get us nowhere. However, it wasn't I that stooped to insults first. Your first post to me was pretty insulting, so I retaliated. Not my best behavior, but that is why I responded.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

The last time I checked the specific act and deed of being disrespectful is insubordination. Your example was discussing opinion held and not the conduct and behavior of actually doing such. Holding the belief or opinion is not a punishable offense, it the deliberate choice resulting in act and deed having intent to usurp, override, resist the commissioned officer authority that is a punishable offense. Your original statement was limited to holding belief or opinion and not doing the acts of deeds having intent to usurp, override, resist the commissioned officer authority and being held accountable for the doing of such acts and deeds.

Character traits are not the result of or a cause of rank and grade. Neither is leading ability a result of or caused by rank and grade. Character trait and specifically moral competencies are being discussed because (1) is of good character is a requirement put in place by public law for qualification and eligibility to be appointed a military commission and to retain the commission; (2) there is a difference between persons of despicable and infamous character and respected and honored character; (3) NCO duties, responsibilities, accountability and commissioned duties, responsibilities, accountability are being discussed as with greater power and authority comes obligation to higher standards of character accountability; and, (4) my comment was very few officers and NCOs I worked with had to confront contempt or insubordination of subordinates being disrespectful, in those situations I am personally aware of corrective action was swift and the problem no longer existed. In a few cases I have seen commanders removed from command and enlisted receive UCMJ punitive action.

Line authority concerns accomplishing military missions on the battlefield or in areas military operations are authorized to be conducted. It is not directly connected to command appointment other than it is referring to the combat chain of command that extends from the President of the United States down to the termination of the chain of command at it lowest level which is the line NCO. This authority isn’t being the commander pertinent to day-to-day administrative or functional management or supervision. Neither is it pertinent to having Article 15 and other UCMJ punishment authority. Line of authority is relevant to having combat mission ready qualifications and being in command of a tactical element or team in similar way Army NCOs command tanks, squads, and other of the smallest tactical elements.

Line of authority is also critical to authority to issue lawful order while leading small tactical elements. The ability to issue orders in such situations does not require a superior-subordinate relationship, but it does require commissioned, warrant, NCO or petty officer rank.

Unless you can identify US Code Title 10 statute, DOD policy, or Department of the Air Force policy or general order a missile flight commander and communications squadron flight commander is not a command appointment duty position. Without command appointment the commissioned officer lacks article 15 and other UCMJ punishment authority over other military members in the unit (this requires both commission appointment and command appointment). Neither does such duty position necessarily bring with it combat mission ready qualifications or line of authority to lead and direct a tactical operation. In this regard it is doubtful you can explain to anybody how authority differs much from the NCO in charge of a flight or detachment. BTW-I was detachment chief of unit deployed to conduct combat operations in 1986, can you explain other than lack of Article 15 and other UCMJ punitive authority how my in-charge-authority and ability to give orders to those in my detachment differed from any of the deployed commissioned commanders of the other units? I can, but I’ll give you another opportunity to demonstrate your superior subject expertise and superiority of commissioned rank. BTW as a retiree I have the freedom to be as blunt as I need and since you are not on active duty you have no rank and grade to insult.

The context of line of authority has nothing to do with disobeying orders, or being insubordinate or disrespectful to superiors.

The primary focus of my comments and opinion is on desired character traits of being a leader, specifically the type of leader builds and sustains willingness in other to keep following and accomplishing even though it is in their best interests to quit or surrender. A line NCO, even a retired former line NCO does not need to be a commissioned officer to be knowledgeable and experienced of what type of character traits it takes to lead others when it involves motivating willingness of others to face hardships and loss of limb and life dangers.


John, you were saying that it was okay for an enlisted man to be disrespectful to an officer. As I stated before, are you saying that is okay? And I was saying that generically, not to me specifically. Also, you state that there is an corruption in the officer corps. Can you understand how that would offend a former officer in the same way as if someone insulted the nco corps? Look, you can guardhouse lawyer me all day with regulations. The bottom line is that you need to answer questions directly and not by throwing a bunch of regulations at someone. That isn't anwering the question directly. Also, on the point of my line authority, the last I heard, when you sign in assuming command of an unit, have opr/epr responsibility for the individuals in your flight, and are designated as their commanding officer, then I would dare say that is line authority. Anyways, we digress from the original point of this discussion. As Shrike pointed out correctly, you insulted, I insulted, neither wins by doing so. So, I'll step up to the plate and apologize for my comments.

Now, back to the discussion at hand:

- I don't disagree with you that Major Metzger's actions were questionable. My contention is that there wasn't a coverup to the degree implied by WillPowers statements. The more issues involved, the longer an investigation will last. Here is an example, I had a Lieutenant under investigation for misusing his Amex card. The investigation took almost 18 months to accomplish and this was only for a 2000 dollar charge on his government card. Now, you involve alleged kidnapping, perjury, a foreign government, etc and you expect the investigation to be closed in a short time? There are times when the wheels of justice go slowly. Remember, an investigation can't be closed until all of the facts and loose ends are tied up. It could be a simple case of not getting access to the foreign nationals involved.

- I have yet to see that Metzger got extraordinary preferred treatment. She was diagnosed by a medical professional as having ptsd. As such, with the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, the VA and military is obligated by law to provide her with a temporary military medical retirement. Until the investigation is completed, they have to provide such benefits. To me, that isn't preferred treatment because she was an officer or that her dad was a colonel. Rather, it is more of her gaming the system.

- Finally, this isn't a case of you're either for or against her. I have no vested interest in her. However, I don't like lynch mobs and that is what this started to become. Everyone is so interested in her guilt, that no one wants to give her the benefit of the doubt. All I have stated before is that we should let the facts come out through the investigation and let the chips fall where they may.

[johca]

John, you were saying that it was okay for an enlisted man to be disrespectful to an officer. No, that should have been clear to a caveman though. BTW to my knowledge there is no ongoing investigation and I correspond with my elected representatives on this matter. If you believe I'm mistaken file a FOIA requesting confirmation of an ongoing investigation or closed investigation and post the response here.

I don't care about Major Jill Meztger, I do care about the cover-up though.

[Unregistered]

I have non. However, I don't like bullies and basically, the people who started this thread come across as a verbal lynch mob. It bothers my sense of fair play.

as far as Officers and NCO's. I was a NCOIC and theres a turd in every hurd. Some officers are good and some bad, the same goes for non-commissioned officers. as far as Jill Metzger goes, i would say an investigation of her would be warranted since she is drawing such a high percentage rate of disability and apparently is able to bust out marathons.

[AIRFORCEAGGIE]

No, that should have been clear to a caveman though. BTW to my knowledge there is no ongoing investigation and I correspond with my elected representatives on this matter. If you believe I'm mistaken file a FOIA requesting confirmation of an ongoing investigation or closed investigation and post the response here.

I don't care about Major Jill Meztger, I do care about the cover-up though.

Well, I would agree that there is something amiss with what she stated. I just find it hard to have the same sense of outrage as WillPowers has. All I have stated before is that I wanted to see the evidence first before I decide. Even the most obviously guilty person can be shown to be innocent once the facts come out. I would say the same for those accused of shooting civilians in Iraq as I would for this Major. Let the investigation be completed before we pass judgement. Case in point, John Adams was once asked to defend a bunch of British soldiers accused of firing unprovoked at a bunch of protesters in Boston. Several deaths had occurred and everyone "knew" that the soldiers were guilty and should be hung. Although a patriot, Adams agreed to defend these men and in the course of the trial, it was revealed that the soldiers had fired only after being pelted with large cobble stones and one of their member being struck in the head with a stone. I'm not saying that Metzger is innocent of foul play. All I'm saying is that fairness requires that we wait for all of the facts to come out through due process and not through the biased rantings of one individual before we come to a decision.

[johca]

My disgust is focused on an inquiry system that is doing nothing and no official plausible explanation of what happened. My contempt is directed at commanders who approved a disability retirement with no compliance with the intent of public law to conduct inquiry to determine presence or absence of misconduct.

That an event happened is undeniable and public law requires inquiry resulting in report of findings before certain things such as disability retirement can happen. The event happened over two years ago and there is no indication of any Impartial, timely inquiry ever happening.

The military obligation is only to provide medical treatment and that could be provide while separated in an unpaid status, there is no eligibility for chapter 61 retirement for disability for disability incurred during a period of unauthorized absence until inquiry determine intentional misconduct or willful neglect during the period of unauthorized absence was or wasn’t the cause.

[MACHINE666]

Yep...two years later and still not an 'official' word as to what really went down....I think it's safe to say that like the 'official' Air Force release of the Roswell 1947 "weather balloon" report, we'll never get the scoop as to what really happened.....

[unregister]

Yep...two years later and still not an 'official' word as to what really went down....I think it's safe to say that like the 'official' Air Force release of the Roswell 1947 "weather balloon" report, we'll never get the scoop as to what really happened.....

Of course I would have a better chance of seeing Area 51 or getting an explanation of the two floor vaults in the Hangars at WPAFB Area B that to learn of the results of the Metzger investigation.

Now rumor has it she is no longer with her hubbie Josh Mayo.

[DAG48]

With all due respect to the original post, a person who has Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, can still use their legs, and yes run! In fact her Health Care Providers are probably encouraging her to do so for physical well being and to relieve stress. It is my understanding the Major in question is on the TDRL and will be re-evaluated in the future to see if her disability will keep her from performing her duties for her rank and position.

As for the other questions surrounding her case..., I don't know what to tell ya! However, disabled folks do need to exercise and participate in society in some way or another.

[MACHINE666]

Of course I would have a better chance of seeing Area 51 or getting an explanation of the two floor vaults in the Hangars at WPAFB Area B that to learn of the results of the Metzger investigation.

Now rumor has it she is no longer with her hubbie Josh Mayo.


So maybe he'll come clean instead? It's wishful thinking but with as much attention, fall out and disenchantment that must have gone on as a result of this whole situation, I wouldn't be surprised if he or someone similar wanted to recupe on his losses....book deals, TV interviews, the works....or at least I know that's what I would do if I had been given a raw deal and had the chance....

[Pueblo]

I just find it hard to have the same sense of outrage as WillPowers has.

At this point, pretty much nobody thinks she was kidnapped. If she wasn't kidnapped, why is she getting 100% disability? If she's getting 100% disability, why is she running races and marathons? If she shouldn't be running races and marathons, why is nobody continuing to investigate that? What's the line they feed us at AETC? Ah yes, "Perception is everything."

Militarycorruption.com is sensationalist at times, but everyone who cares about the Air Force should be outraged and display their outrage to their congressmen and senators. This whole thing stinks like yesterday's garbage.

[jsnchrry]

At this point, pretty much nobody thinks she was kidnapped. If she wasn't kidnapped, why is she getting 100% disability? If she's getting 100% disability, why is she running races and marathons? If she shouldn't be running races and marathons, why is nobody continuing to investigate that? What's the line they feed us at AETC? Ah yes, "Perception is everything."

Militarycorruption.com is sensationalist at times, but everyone who cares about the Air Force should be outraged and display their outrage to their congressmen and senators. This whole thing stinks like yesterday's garbage.

she's gonna have to live with her guilt...and we should keep reminding her of it too

[Red Dragon]

Did Major Metzger receive any kind of award for defeating and escaping from four armed captors? That is where the Air Force should focus it's investigation. How could they ignore such extreme heroics?

[Silver Fox]

Yep...two years later and still not an 'official' word as to what really went down....I think it's safe to say that like the 'official' Air Force release of the Roswell 1947 "weather balloon" report, we'll never get the scoop as to what really happened.....


We have all but gotten the actual scoop of Roswell. It was part of a top secret espionage program against the Soviets, so we had to deny it was American and let the media think it was aliens, because the alternative was tell the Russkies we'd been spying. This may not have come as a shock in the 60's, 70's or 80's, but this was 1947.... WW2 had just ended.... it'd have caused an insane amount of outrage I imagine.

[ramprat]

We have all but gotten the actual scoop of Roswell. It was part of a top secret espionage program against the Soviets, so we had to deny it was American and let the media think it was aliens, because the alternative was tell the Russkies we'd been spying. This may not have come as a shock in the 60's, 70's or 80's, but this was 1947.... WW2 had just ended.... it'd have caused an insane amount of outrage I imagine.
NEWS :: The AF was flying "Recon missions" over the Soviet Union in the early 50s
in B50 and B29 aircraft almost on a daily basis . Not mentioned by either side as if Soviets
yelled about ,,,It would be aan embarrasment to them in front of world as they couldnt
stop it ..(get it ?/) Later used B47s ,U2s B57h aircraft . Some types flew over Moscow
almost daily.. The russians still havent accounted for the missing crews they did capture..
The US swapped Col Able forthe return of Gary Powers a U2 pilot (Eng flame out )

[Red Dragon]

No, that should have been clear to a caveman though. BTW to my knowledge there is no ongoing investigation and I correspond with my elected representatives on this matter. If you believe I'm mistaken file a FOIA requesting confirmation of an ongoing investigation or closed investigation and post the response here.

I don't care about Major Jill Meztger, I do care about the cover-up though.

Any word on that FOIA, Aggie? It's been over six months, so you should have some official documents to support your point of view by now.

[Silver Fox]

NEWS :: The AF was flying "Recon missions" over the Soviet Union in the early 50s
in B50 and B29 aircraft almost on a daily basis . Not mentioned by either side as if Soviets
yelled about ,,,It would be aan embarrasment to them in front of world as they couldnt
stop it ..(get it ?/) Later used B47s ,U2s B57h aircraft . Some types flew over Moscow
almost daily.. The russians still havent accounted for the missing crews they did capture..
The US swapped Col Able forthe return of Gary Powers a U2 pilot (Eng flame out )

I know we flew recon missions over the soviet union, but as was stated it was never publically acknowledged and we weren't going to do that at roswell.

The U2 Mess happened after Roswell, and why would the US confess to something without being forced to?

[ramprat]

I never mentioned Roswell. (???)

[MACHINE666]

Well what's humorous Silver Fox is that there's more information available to the public about the RAF Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest incident which happened in 1980, than Roswell or the Maj Metzger incident combined. The difference is I can say I was actually stationed at RAF Bentwaters and that if that story is some sort of cover up, I can believe that over those two stories. Truth be told I don't think anyone knew what the hell happened in all three cases but in order to save face like you mentioned, a cover story was concocted to avoid being percieved as incompetent. That's the REAL cover-up! :D

[Silver Fox]

I never mentioned Roswell. (???)

Exactly, but you were implying that we would have confessed to roswell because we were spying anyway and cited the U2 mess as proof, but that didn't happen until after roswell.

[Silver Fox]

Well what's humorous Silver Fox is that there's more information available to the public about the RAF Bentwaters/Rendlesham Forest incident which happened in 1980, than Roswell or the Maj Metzger incident combined. The difference is I can say I was actually stationed at RAF Bentwaters and that if that story is some sort of cover up, I can believe that over those two stories. Truth be told I don't think anyone knew what the hell happened in all three cases but in order to save face like you mentioned, a cover story was concocted to avoid being percieved as incompetent. That's the REAL cover-up! :D


Agreed! :)

[Red Dragon]

Any word on that FOIA, Aggie? It's been over six months, so you should have some official documents to support your point of view by now.

You there, Aggie? Aggie, aggie?

[Boss Hog]

There are a sh*tload of us other unannointed supplicants waiting for the truth, as well. (Don't 'suppose I be's holdin' ma breath, tho...)

Maybe after the next 100%-funded marathon, eh, Jill?

(My bad; Maj [Ret?] Metzger.)

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