What Happen To Taking Care Of Marines?

[nonop45]

I just got a new Marine that arrived on Oki 2 weeks prior to his wife. She was held back due to port call issues. I sent my wife to drive him and his wife down to IPAC located on Camp Foster in Oki, so they could complete a travel claim.



They ended up staying at IPAC for 5 hours because the Marines at IPAC kept bouncing them back and forth from IPAC to Ipac, refusing to complete the travel claim saying the other IPAC needs to. At one point my Marines wife told the Marine Cpl that "they need to figure this out because this is wrong" that Cpl got angry and puled my Marine to the side and said "that he needed to control his wife" while all of this was going on a CWO herd and asked what was wrong, My Marine explained the issue to the CWO. The CWO looked at the Cpl and said make it happen it took five minutes and the Travel Claim was completed.



WTH, why did they sit up their for five hours for something that took five minutes to complete? And who in the hell tells a DD to control his wife? I don't know about you but my wife would laugh at me if i tried to tell her what to do.



My point of this post, is that if the Marines at IPAC would of stepped up and took care of the Marine, then it would of saved everybody hours of time.



I work in the Armory and i bend over backwards to support Marines. What the Hell is wrong with Marines now days? I'm not the saltiest DOG in the Core but hell i would of handled this issue with ease.



For all of you skaters step your Game up and support Marines!

[CSBurns]

I am a SNCO and I blame their SNCO, plain and simple.

[LQUINONE]

Its lack of training and the Chief was wise in what he did. I never had problems with S-1 processing in OKI and this was back in 88-89. How sure things have changed. Remember, its never always the system or process but the people who run it.

hooah! oops ooh rah. Sorry doggie now.

[USMC_8156]

Luckily the 01's will be civilians soon. I'll bet you caught that one shitbag that is in every shop. I'd say the Marine should have gone straight to a SNCO after an hour of waiting around, or called back to HIS SNCO and had them take care of it.

[Goldy]

It's usually the first few NCO's or SNCO's in the chain of command, in any given shop, that is directly responsible for the performance and "customer care" of their respective shop.



And IPAC in 29 Palms isn't much better... after handing in our paperwork to check in a few new-joins... we waited a full hour before anyone did anything about it. I had to go into the "authorized personnel only" area to bitch about it before they did anything. We would have been there waiting for another hour had I not done anything.

.....and that was just to start the process. It took two more hours to finish.

[JLMartin]

It's all about WIIFM (what's in it for me?) I don't totally blame the SNCO, when the cats away the mice will play type thing. I blame the weak NCO's for not stepping up. The Cpl could have probably easily helped out the Marines, however, surfing the web or whatnot was more important. The NCO was too lazy to call the other IPAC to figure the s**t out. This is common, sad isn't it?!

[Sgt Admin]

The young Marine should have been taken care of when he arrived and if there were any questions with who was to do the paperwork, the IPAC could have made some calls to find out so the Marine and is his wife weren't being treated like a yo-yo. Totally unacceptable! My wife would have come across the desk on someone.

[LQUINONE]

Does the Marines attach a sponsor to the new Marine joining the unit? I have always had a sponsor that fits the same template as I do (e.g. married/NCO/officer) that accompanies me during inprocessing to prevent gaffes such as these.

[Sgt Admin]

You would think units would do something like that... Everytime I've checked in to a new unit (4th time now) I have always been doing the whole process by myself. Granted a Sgt should be capable to check in without any problems, however it does make the process a lot easier when you have someone showing you around.

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=nonop45;149882]I just got a new Marine that arrived on Oki 2 weeks prior to his wife. She was held back due to port call issues. I sent my wife to drive him and his wife down to IPAC located on Camp Foster in Oki, so they could complete a travel claim."

Your wife shouldn't have been involved in this in no way shape or form. That new joins wife shouldn't have been involved either. If your wife is on base and is acting like she has no sense than anyone has the right to tell you to control your wife; any incident applies here.

As far as Marines doing their job...you are totally correct.

[Sgt Admin]

[QUOTE=nonop45;149882]I just got a new Marine that arrived on Oki 2 weeks prior to his wife. She was held back due to port call issues. I sent my wife to drive him and his wife down to IPAC located on Camp Foster in Oki, so they could complete a travel claim."

Your wife shouldn't have been involved in this in no way shape or form. That new joins wife shouldn't have been involved either. If your wife is on base and is acting like she has no sense than anyone has the right to tell you to control your wife; any incident applies here.

As far as Marines doing their job...you are totally correct.


I can see your point however, my wife is not the one in the Marines. She has the right to say whatever she feels and to express herself wherever shes at regardless of which incident applies. No amount of rank will ever get a postitive response from me by telling me to control my wife. Actually, I can guarantee a negative response from such a statment. Some Marines think that wifes are emotionless people that are to be seen and not heard...i disagree. If this is the case then maybe the Marine Corps should think about only letting single people join its ranks and kick married ones out... yeah, its ridiculous. So is thinking some SNCO can tell me to control my wife.

[Lone_NCO]

[QUOTE=SSgtAllen3381;150667]


I can see your point however, my wife is not the one in the Marines. She has the right to say whatever she feels and to express herself wherever shes at regardless of which incident applies. No amount of rank will ever get a postitive response from me by telling me to control my wife. Actually, I can guarantee a negative response from such a statment. Some Marines think that wifes are emotionless people that are to be seen and not heard...i disagree. If this is the case then maybe the Marine Corps should think about only letting single people join its ranks and kick married ones out... yeah, its ridiculous. So is thinking some SNCO can tell me to control my wife.

I dont know. Previously I worked separations, and upon a few admin seps I had to endure angry spouses for whatever the situation. In those cases I assure you the spouse had no business acting how they did (neither did any other respectible adult) however telling this Marine to control his wife was definetly not the way to handle that situation. I would've probably lost my mind on that Cpl if he was in my shop or even around me.

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=SSgtAllen3381;150667]


I can see your point however, my wife is not the one in the Marines. She has the right to say whatever she feels and to express herself wherever shes at regardless of which incident applies. No amount of rank will ever get a postitive response from me by telling me to control my wife. Actually, I can guarantee a negative response from such a statment. Some Marines think that wifes are emotionless people that are to be seen and not heard...i disagree. If this is the case then maybe the Marine Corps should think about only letting single people join its ranks and kick married ones out... yeah, its ridiculous. So is thinking some SNCO can tell me to control my wife.

A dependent wife has no say so in how a Unit operates. Regardless of how it's ran...she has no say. With that, if "your' wife came in and said her Peace, me personally would have asked her to step outside and I would have told you she has no business in here, even if I was just a Sergeant.

Getting to your last sentence. I guarantee you that you would control your wife if a SNCO told you to do so. Especially on base and when it would be warranted. Again, a spouse has no business in a Marine workspace, unless of course she is a Marine. If you don't think so, you are wrong.

Now, if it pertained to your health...that's a different story.

Another thing, what Marine would bring his wife to do any Marine business with him anyway?

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=Sgt Admin;150826]

I dont know. Previously I worked separations, and upon a few admin seps I had to endure angry spouses for whatever the situation. In those cases I assure you the spouse had no business acting how they did (neither did any other respectible adult) however telling this Marine to control his wife was definetly not the way to handle that situation. I would've probably lost my mind on that Cpl if he was in my shop or even around me.

Why? If the Marine in question asked you to control you wife in a respectable manner...what is wrong with that? On base, she has no say in any shop telling Marines what to do. Read the previous post by me as well.

Now, out in town, if a dependent is yelling at the lady at McDonald's because her fries are cold..I wouldn't care a bit.

Same thing applies to me going to your wife's work and yelling at her for something you did at work. Totally unprofessional and I wouldn't do that even if I wasn't a Marine.

[Sgt Admin]

[QUOTE=Sgt Admin;150826]

A dependent wife has no say so in how a Unit operates. Regardless of how it's ran...she has no say. With that, if "your' wife came in and said her Peace, me personally would have asked her to step outside and I would have told you she has no business in here, even if I was just a Sergeant.

Getting to your last sentence. I guarantee you that you would control your wife if a SNCO told you to do so. Especially on base and when it would be warranted. Again, a spouse has no business in a Marine workspace, unless of course she is a Marine. If you don't think so, you are wrong.

Now, if it pertained to your health...that's a different story.

Another thing, what Marine would bring his wife to do any Marine business with him anyway?

You are entitled to your personal opinion...which is all it comes down to. Like I said earlier, no one will tell me to control my wife regardless of rank. If my wife has an issue with the treatment she receives from a Marine, then I will stand behind her...bottom line. I've seen too many times, some power hungry Marine try to degrade other Marines wifes in front of the them... I'll be damned if that will ever happen to me and I just sit there and take it... the rank comes off when they cross that line. I'm not speaking from opinion, I'm speaking from fact. Oh, and please don't think that any of this is directed at you, there are some topics that I feel strong about and this just happens to be one...

[wzgriffith]

Totally unacceptable! My wife would have come across the desk on someone.

I love it. My wife is a former Marine and she's actually come close to strangling a sh*t bird NCO or two when she stops by.

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=SSgtAllen3381;151226]

You are entitled to your personal opinion...which is all it comes down to. Like I said earlier, no one will tell me to control my wife regardless of rank. If my wife has an issue with the treatment she receives from a Marine, then I will stand behind her...bottom line. I've seen too many times, some power hungry Marine try to degrade other Marines wifes in front of the them... I'll be damned if that will ever happen to me and I just sit there and take it... the rank comes off when they cross that line. I'm not speaking from opinion, I'm speaking from fact. Oh, and please don't think that any of this is directed at you, there are some topics that I feel strong about and this just happens to be one...

This isn't a matter of opinion. This is a fact, dependents have no business where they aren't supposed to be. Now, you are totally correct in your opinion and should back your wife when/if an incident occurred where a Marine disrespected her, but this isn't the case.

Now, I wouldn't degrade anyone's wife, even if she came in my shop acting like a fool. But, I would ask her to leave and then correct the issue with the Marine. I don't see how anyone can not understand that. We are talking about this Marines wife getting into an argument with a Marine in a shop she shouldn't have been in anyway. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not talking about telling a Spouse to leave the PX because she is arguing over a price tag.

I understand that it's not directed to me and mine isn't either, I just think we are having a good discussion without all the name calling and who is the better grunt or pog; check the message board for that thread.

[Lone_NCO]

Asking her to step out first and then telling the Marine seems far more appropriate to me then doing it with her right there. Kind of how sometimes when theres an issue in a shop you address it openly, and other times you address behind closed doors. This is a closed doors deal. I completely agree that a Marine shop is no place for a dependant, but I can't agree with that Marines actions. Maybe the PCness is getting to me. Thats all opinion, but I have to agree with my fellow admin Sgt that if a Marine did disrespect my wife in front of me they would have a very serious problem, thats fact.

[SSgtAllen3381]

"Thats all opinion, but I have to agree with my fellow admin Sgt that if a Marine did disrespect my wife in front of me they would have a very serious problem, thats fact."

No doubt you both are correct in that. But this whole situation could have been avoided if the Marine would have taken the new join himself to check in and not his wife. After all, he is the one that started a thread on taking care of Marines and then allows his wife to help someone check in. Why didn't he do it or send a Marine from his shop? I'm sure he will have a reason (if he shows back up here) and let us know, but how can he make a statement like that and send his wife to do his work? Then complain about her having to wait on help. As a more experienced Marine he could have stepped in ahead of time and made things happen.

[Gunny_2862]

I agree with SSgt on this one, a dependant, no matter wife or husband, has no business in trying to step into Marine Corps business, no matter how small the problem or how stupid it may seem at the time. I agree, it can be trying at times, but that is what the Marine is supposed to do, step up and handle your business or find someone (i.e. a Marine) who can help you. I also agree that the Marine should have been the one driving these two around, not his spouse, that was wrongly handled and was apparent in the topic and this discussion.

Bottom line, if you have a dependant who you cannot control, stand by, that dependant is your responsibility, so eveything he/she does is technically on you. If you allow your spouse to put themselves in the position to get embarassed at a work environment, don't get all stupid when you someone tells them to shut the hell up and sit down, DO NOT PUT THEM IN THAT POSITION, bottom line.

I'm not saying that any Marine has the right to tee off on a dependant and not suffer any conequences, but make sure they understand the rules and do not overstep their boundaries. Remember, we are a military organisation and although they do not work for the Corps, you do and they will be expected to act appropriately and you will be held accountable for their actions.

Sgt Admin, I do agree that there are certain lines that can be crossed, nullifying rank. However, be careful on how you allow yourself to be drawn in to that hole, it gets deep fast. If you speak from fact as you stated, why do you keep being put in a position to have to defend your wife? Is your wife making situations inappropriate for you or have you and her just been unlucky in those regards? My advice, I wouldn't try and control my wife either, but if she was a turd in situations where she shouldn't be on base and with other Marines in general, I'd tell her to stop going and learn to act appropraitely. If that failed to work, I'd leave her, after all, if she can't respect her behavior enough to respect me, then why stay with her?

[Grunt_CPO]

SSgt Allen, reread the post again. The Marine stated that his wife drove the new join and his wife down to IPAC. You're getting caught up in the emotional side of this. The outrage should be over having to wait five hours being sent from office to office trying to get the travel claim fixed. If the wife arrived two weeks after her husband did, then it's possible that her travel claim needed to have some forms signed by her. That would necessitate her being there.

Also, no where in his post did it state that his wife got involved in anything other than driving them down to Foster. It was the wife of the Marine who just arrived on island. Imagine just arriving in a new country after a long trip and having to spend five hours trying to get something as simple as a travel claim completed. Put yourself in her position, I'll bet you would be flipping a lid. Why is it not acceptable for her to voice her frustration. Oh, I remember now. She's not supposed to be there. She should just stay at home and prepare meals for all the single Marines during the holidays. Or get together with the Key Wives while they make cookies. Now I remember why wives were never issued to us in a seabag. They just get in the way too much.

[SSgtAllen3381]

SSgt Allen, reread the post again. The Marine stated that his wife drove the new join and his wife down to IPAC. You're getting caught up in the emotional side of this. The outrage should be over having to wait five hours being sent from office to office trying to get the travel claim fixed. If the wife arrived two weeks after her husband did, then it's possible that her travel claim needed to have some forms signed by her. That would necessitate her being there.

Also, no where in his post did it state that his wife got involved in anything other than driving them down to Foster. It was the wife of the Marine who just arrived on island. Imagine just arriving in a new country after a long trip and having to spend five hours trying to get something as simple as a travel claim completed. Put yourself in her position, I'll bet you would be flipping a lid. Why is it not acceptable for her to voice her frustration. Oh, I remember now. She's not supposed to be there. She should just stay at home and prepare meals for all the single Marines during the holidays. Or get together with the Key Wives while they make cookies. Now I remember why wives were never issued to us in a seabag. They just get in the way too much.

Save the sarcastic remarks. I've already said my peace on the subject and I stand by everything I wrote.

[magoo]

getting this thread back on track...

i have noticed a lot of the same problems as a number of marines in this thread. it's very easy to pick on the admin shops, but it makes the analogy much easier. 01's, please bear with me objectively.

how many marines have gone to an s-1/ipac/etc for something simple, easy and necessary, and rarely is anything as simple as it should be.

i'm a senior snco and i cannot tell you how many times my marines have to come to me because some one in ipac gave them a ration of shit because it would have taken that administrator away from his conversation about a youtube video. to make matters worse, when i bring it up to the admin chief, i get the same attitude. apparently, a travel claim, promotion, bah request or any other type of admin work comes out of the administrator's paycheck.


of course, i know that there are certain requirements that have to be adhered to in order for it to be a legitimate request. but for the administrators to practically "accuse" all marines of trying to get over is unacceptable.

i am a data chief. if one of my marines gave ANYONE, regardless of rank, coming into my shop grief, my marine would be much stronger. it's called dereliction of duty. our sole job is to "support" whoever comes through my hatch, and i strongly enforce that.

our corps would get much more accomplished if every regiment, battalion, company, platoon, shop would "support" where it's necessary.

[nonop45]

[QUOTE=nonop45;149882]I just got a new Marine that arrived on Oki 2 weeks prior to his wife. She was held back due to port call issues. I sent my wife to drive him and his wife down to IPAC located on Camp Foster in Oki, so they could complete a travel claim."

Your wife shouldn't have been involved in this in no way shape or form. That new joins wife shouldn't have been involved either. If your wife is on base and is acting like she has no sense than anyone has the right to tell you to control your wife; any incident applies here.

As far as Marines doing their job...you are totally correct.

What are you talking about?

My wife drove them there, his wife was the one completing the travel claim. She needed to be there you should of probably read and reread the post before replying.

Just for you

MY POST=My wife was the transportation his wife was the one conducting the transaction and the Marine was there for guidance.

TRY TO STAY ON TRACK

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=SSgtAllen3381;150667]

What are you talking about?

My wife drove them there, his wife was the one completing the travel claim. She needed to be there you should of probably read and reread the post before replying.

Just for you

MY POST=My wife was the transportation his wife was the one conducting the transaction and the Marine was there for guidance.

TRY TO STAY ON TRACK

JUST FOR YOU AS WELL...TRY TO STAY ON TRACK.

Try to use some common sense and quit sending YOUR WIFE to do YOUR WORK. After all...you said you bend over backwards for your Marines. If you would have went (or sent someone else that knows the SOP), you could have made sure the new join and his wife were taken care of properly. The rest of that mess could have been avoided. You know it and I know it. For the record, I never said "your wife" did anything wrong. The new joins wife is the one that had no business telling the Admin Marines what to do. She should have signed her paperwork and let her husband do the complaining.

End of story.

Have a nice day.

[nonop45]

[QUOTE=nonop45;160592]

JUST FOR YOU AS WELL...TRY TO STAY ON TRACK.

Try to use some common sense and quit sending YOUR WIFE to do YOUR WORK. After all...you said you bend over backwards for your Marines. If you would have went (or sent someone else that knows the SOP), you could have made sure the new join and his wife were taken care of properly. The rest of that mess could have been avoided. You know it and I know it. For the record, I never said "your wife" did anything wrong. The new joins wife is the one that had no business telling the Admin Marines what to do. She should have signed her paperwork and let her husband do the complaining.

End of story.

Have a nice day.


We called Ipac prior, they said bring her down there and get the travel claim done. It did not matter who brought her down there so i had my wife take them.

The point of the story was the fact that it took a CWO4 and 5 minutes to get the claim done when they spent 4 hours beign bounced back and forth by some lazy Turds.

It seems to me that some of you felt on defending the admin section that is why you and them are choosing to nit pick the fact i wasn't there or the fact that the Marines wife got angry and said something to the "BIRD"


NOW END OF STORY

[SSgtAllen3381]

[QUOTE=SSgtAllen3381;160970]


We called Ipac prior, they said bring her down there and get the travel claim done. It did not matter who brought her down there so i had my wife take them.

The point of the story was the fact that it took a CWO4 and 5 minutes to get the claim done when they spent 4 hours beign bounced back and forth by some lazy Turds.

It seems to me that some of you felt on defending the admin section that is why you and them are choosing to nit pick the fact i wasn't there or the fact that the Marines wife got angry and said something to the "BIRD"


NOW END OF STORY

If you would have went like you should have..that would have been the end of the story. It does matter who drove them down there and you starting this thread proved it.

SUPERVISION. That alone would have been all that was needed. You could have stepped in the second this situation was getting out of hand and took care of it.



Carry on!

[lcplv08]

It is rediculous that this type of trash had to happen to your marine and marines every where. I see it all the time, marines just not giving a f***! I've only been in the marine corps for a short period of time but i know better than half of these nco's and will stop at nothing to help a fellow marine (i won't break the law or get in trouble, but I will definitly to the best that i can.)

I remember checking in to my first duty station and having to learn everything through my mistakes. I had a NCO but she didn't want to get up and help me with nothing, I guess she felt like she didn't have to, f*** me right! But I learned what I needed to learn and then some and now, whenever a new marine checks into my unit, I'm the FIRST one to introduce myself and do as much as I can for that marine, and square him or her away. (And I'm not the NCOIC, or a NCO period ). I can't change the marine corps or the jacked up marines who only think of themselves, but I know that I'm doing my part and teaching my marines the right thing. That's all I can do!!! OOH-RAH Stay motivated!!!

[SSgtAllen3381]

08...we've all been through this or similar situations before. Once we do, we learn from it, move on and make sure it doesn't happen to another Marine. You are doing the right thing and it doesn't matter that you are a Lcpl...you are making things happen and that is a great thing.

[Lone_NCO]

LCplv08 stay motivated and i'm sure you'll make an outstanding NCO.

Ok missed a part here, for some reason I was thinking it was only the new join and his spouse, not the new join his spouse and the Marine whos thread this is spouse...

So this is confusing the shit out of me now, when I want something handled I do it myself (so you lost me with the thread title), if I absolutely cannot get out I send another NCO I feel would best represent me. I dont know why in the world this Marine sent his wife to pick up a new join, unless by some strange chance they already knew each other.

[SSgtAllen3381]

LCplv08 stay motivated and i'm sure you'll make an outstanding NCO.

Ok missed a part here, for some reason I was thinking it was only the new join and his spouse, not the new join his spouse and the Marine whos thread this is spouse...

So this is confusing the shit out of me now, when I want something handled I do it myself (so you lost me with the thread title), if I absolutely cannot get out I send another NCO I feel would best represent me. I dont know why in the world this Marine sent his wife to pick up a new join, unless by some strange chance they already knew each other.

The thread starter sent HIS WIFE to drive the New Join (NJ) Marine and the NJ Marine wife to IPAC. The NJs wife got upset because they were getting the run around.

If the thread starter would have WENT HIMSELF with the NJ and the NJ wife...this thread wouldn't exist.

[Lone_NCO]

The thread starter sent HIS WIFE to drive the New Join (NJ) Marine and the NJ Marine wife to IPAC. The NJs wife got upset because they were getting the run around.

If the thread starter would have WENT HIMSELF with the NJ and the NJ wife...this thread wouldn't exist.

Lol dont know why we weren't using that NJ abreviation earlier, it would've made things alot easier.