The Army's Enlisted Generals

[smarg]

What do readers of this board think about the 'perks' of E-9s (mainly CSMs) displayed in the Army today?

Let me give you a picture...I'm at MNC-I HQ, Al Faw Palace, Baghdad. Recently, there was a "Change of Responsibility" between in outgoing and incoming Force CSMs. I had never grasped the magnitude of the perks these guys get. The CSMs had their coterie of shiny black SUVs (just like the 4-star), numerous butt-boys in tow; present during the ceremony was the Ambassador, general officers everywhere, media, yada yada; they have huge ornate offices and staff...wow.

Is it just me, or, is ALL of this gotten out of hand??

The following input was given by the poster "kojack" from another thread on this topic. I also find it quite interesting:

The officer corps reaps what it sows when it allowed the creation of "enlisted generals" and "Team Command". One of the things that really amazed me fairly recently is that I see more and more actual command policies being signed by the CSMs. Legally, they're not commanders or even officers and they are not signing "for" the commander as the AG does but are actually creating and distributing their own command policies outside the legal chain of command. It goes back to what I have been saying in this forum, that when the officers "allow" it happen, it legitimizes it and you create two distinct separate chains of command and "rank equity".

Anyway, it's the primary reason I recommend that no one wastes their time going after a commission. Fighting the political correctness, rank and job confusion, not to mention all the other bullshit that has BEEN ALLOWED TO COME INTO the Army is too much of a distractor from the real mission.

Discuss. :confused:

[LQUINONE]

I dont give two hecks about their comforts. They been around for decades and have earned it and with their position it warrants it. I am a Warrant Officer (and even when I was an NCO) and got other things to worry about instead of what vehicle or cot the SGM has. Leave them be. And when it comes to Kojack's opinions (I didnt find his quote interesting but ignorant), well even though they are opinions, I will get better advice from a ten year old lol.

I dont know what rank you are but if you ever become an E-9 then implement whatever you want to do. And I believe before you can talk about anyone's shoes, you should walk in them first. For example, we are vets of OIF and even though someone might give an opinion of OVER THERE; if you havent served there then you dont rate to give me a valid opinion about there. Just my IMHO.

[kojack]

You're a warrant? That must have been a real accomplishment for you.

[TheHarleyMan2]

You're a warrant? That must have been a real accomplishment for you.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE!!!!!, Maybe he wanted the SILVER BAR but NO OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES or POLITICAL INPUT!

I am COUNTING my days of my ETS as THIS ARMY and IT's POLICIES are NOT WHAT I CAME INTO, in 1990. Todays Army is CERTAINLY an ARMY of 1, EACH SOLDIER FOR THEMSELVES, and DFAS, (DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING ANY SOLDIER)....WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Chain of Command DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF THIER SOLDIERS, it is US ENLISTED who MAKE THE OFFICERS SHINE without (US ENLISTED) REAPING ANY REWARDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

[smarg]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE!!!!!, Maybe he wanted the SILVER BAR but NO OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES or POLITICAL INPUT!

I am COUNTING my days of my ETS as THIS ARMY and IT's POLICIES are NOT WHAT I CAME INTO, in 1990. Todays Army is CERTAINLY an ARMY of 1, EACH SOLDIER FOR THEMSELVES, and DFAS, (DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING ANY SOLDIER)....WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Chain of Command DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF THIER SOLDIERS, it is US ENLISTED who MAKE THE OFFICERS SHINE without (US ENLISTED) REAPING ANY REWARDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Anger management, anyone? :eek:

[mel44]

Anger management, anyone? :eek:

Hee hee - He needs to settle down:tongue:

[mel44]

My husband came in as enlisted then got his degree after 8 years and returned as an officer. It has been my experience that the only shine is his head where his hair ust to be! Officers are only as good as their committment to the men/women they lead.

[TheHarleyMan2]

My husband came in as enlisted then got his degree after 8 years and returned as an officer. It has been my experience that the only shine is his head where his hair ust to be! Officers are only as good as their committment to the men/women they lead.


And from my experience of 19 years in the Army now. I can tell you that MOST of the BEST OFFICERS are the ones who spent a few years enlisted first and KNOWS what it is like being a soldier, and not some SCHMUCK who went into college and got his commision. I saw plenty of ate up Lt's get thier commsion and have no clue how to lead soldiers, or be one. I saw a few good examples of this at JRTC at Fort Polk this year in the 5 months I saw rotations coming in for deployment to Iraq. Boy, I felt sorry for most of those soldiers going with those Lt's.

[mel44]

And from my experience of 19 years in the Army now. I can tell you that MOST of the BEST OFFICERS are the ones who spent a few years enlisted first and KNOWS what it is like being a soldier, and not some SCHMUCK who went into college and got his commision. I saw plenty of ate up Lt's get thier commsion and have no clue how to lead soldiers, or be one. I saw a few good examples of this at JRTC at Fort Polk this year in the 5 months I saw rotations coming in for deployment to Iraq. Boy, I felt sorry for most of those soldiers going with those Lt's.

Ya I agree doesnt make siince does it. Just because you have the opportunity to go to school doesnt mean you are a good leader and should have lives in your hands - The xo that went with my husband to Afghanistan had never been deployed before - kinda scary for sure

[NeWSoldiEr08]

i havent been in the army long enough to really get into this. but nco's work just as hard and when they get that e-9 spot SOME of them deserve what was mentioned in the first post. i dunno maybe im just naive i only been in for 11months :P

i remember when sgt mjr preston came to NTC i about shit my pants, i was alittle nervous about that for some reason..when a 4 star was around the next day i didnt get nervous, i have a bit more respect for nco's i guess

[paratrooper]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE!!!!!, Maybe he wanted the SILVER BAR but NO OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES or POLITICAL INPUT!

I am COUNTING my days of my ETS as THIS ARMY and IT's POLICIES are NOT WHAT I CAME INTO, in 1990. Todays Army is CERTAINLY an ARMY of 1, EACH SOLDIER FOR THEMSELVES, and DFAS, (DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING ANY SOLDIER)....WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Chain of Command DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF THIER SOLDIERS, it is US ENLISTED who MAKE THE OFFICERS SHINE without (US ENLISTED) REAPING ANY REWARDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

If you came in the Army in 90 and are ETSing not retiring, I need to question your leadership..

[paratrooper]

well go ahead and try to disrespect one of those generals since you dont respect them as much. It wont take 11 months to get you on the block.

[mel44]

Hey Dickhead, its your job to train the LTs as an NCO. Do your job. I have been commissioned now for 13 years after having spent 3 years enlisted and see both prior and brand new officers do well. Get on your business or are you a ROAD?

paratrooper - whats a road?

[TheHarleyMan2]

If you came in the Army in 90 and are ETSing not retiring, I need to question your leadership..


There isn't anything wrong with MY LEADERSHIP as far as MY SOLDIERS, I take care of them, and make sure they have the equipment and training to do the job. As far as MY REQUEST to MY HIGHER COMMAND, I can make ALL the RECOMMENDATIONS to do training, etc, only to get SHOT down my some Officer in Command who changes the training schedule every freaken week. Don't question MY leadership skills, explain to me how is a MAJOR in the Army reserves changing training schedules that are SUPPOSED to BE POSTED 6 MONTHS PRIOR to ACTUAL DUTY TRAINING? Let me give you an EXAMPLE. I turn in MY TRAINING ORDERS and SCHEDULES for MY SOLDIERS in MY TEAM to do LEADERSHIP REACTION COURSES, WEAPONS TRAINING, COMBATIVES, SURVIVAL SKILLS, LAND NAVIGATION, ETC, so on and so on, so when the TIME COMES for them to go to schools, get deployed, or be in combat situations they know WHAT TO DO and HOW to DO IT. Explain to me how a MAJOR wants to hold B.S. briefings that doesn't even amount to training and everyone sit around the drill hall DOING JACK SHIT? EXPLAIN that one for me being you KNOW ABOUT MY LEADERSHIP SKILLS? REMEMBER IN CASEYOU FORGOT, OFFICERS MAKES THE DECISIONS! Another example, our TRAINING SCHEDULE FOR THIS WEEKEND was CHANGED 3 TIMES last week PRIOR TO DRILL THIS WEEKEND!

As far as me NOT RETIRING, that IS MY BUSINESS, because I feel if it is a BATTLE BETWEEN MY COMMAND TO GET MY SOLDIERS TRAINED instead of sitting in a drill hall doing NOTHING, if I CAN'T TRAIN MY SOLDIERS the WAY OF THE NCO CORPS is SUPPOSED to do, because SOME DIPSHIT OFFICER PREVENTS ME DOING MY JOB as well as OTHER NCO's IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS with the SAME PROBLEM with TRAINING, WE are ALL getting tired of the B.S.. I also don't like TODAYS "NEW ARMY STANDARDS" which is going to shit. How is a SOLDIER suppose to get weapons training on a computer in Basic Training, because the "NEW ARMY' doesn't want to spend the funding for LIVE AMMO to have SOLDIERS QUALIFY on in BASIC, this is the "NEW ARMY"? BASIC TRAINING is NOW leaving the SOLDIER to go back to his or her unit to ACTUALLY TOUCH an M-16. Ask any recruit coming out of basic what he got trained on and for how long, etc This is NOT the ONLY PROBLEM with the ARMY WHEN IT COMES TO LEADERSHIP and TRAINING! SO I NO LONGER want to BE A PART OF the "NEW ARMY"!

[CrustySMSgt]

paratrooper - whats a road?

Retired On Active Duty

someone who quit and is just hanging out, taking up space, and collecting a paycheck. :mad:

[mel44]

Retired On Active Duty

someone who quit and is just hanging out, taking up space, and collecting a paycheck. :mad:

THX I'll add that to my files :)

[mel44]

:D :tongue:

[TheHarleyMan2]

Well for all the time and effort you have put in you would think you would have a little more discipline and respect for public forums. Your language is totally inappropriate - there are children in here. If you cant prove your point and effectivly discuss your opinions and beliefs without using adolescent communication skills and descriptions then maybe you should re-evaluate your wisdom and maturity. I am embaressed for you and your position hooah


Well first of all I speak the way I need to be, especially when someone starts off callling me a dickhead and someone questioniing my leadership skills, we ALL know an OFFICER in command makes the calls, WE ENLISTED KNOW THIS and SOME SUFFER from it because of LEADERSHIP FAILURE, BEYOND my rank, I posted some good examples of my experience of leaders I have seen and the examples of leadership failer beyond my rank.

Now as far as my language, I am sorry to have offended you, ARE YOU in the service? Last time i checked I think your kids read and see more worse things on your home computer than what they would find here.

Have a good day.

[mel44]

Well first of all I speak the way I need to be, especially when someone starts off callling me a dickhead and someone questioniing my leadership skills, we ALL know an OFFICER in command makes the calls, WE ENLISTED KNOW THIS and SOME SUFFER from it because of LEADERSHIP FAILURE, BEYOND my rank, I posted some good examples of my experience of leaders I have seen and the examples of leadership failer beyond my rank.

Now as far as my language, I am sorry to have offended you, ARE YOU in the service? Last time i checked I think your kids read and see more worse things on your home computer than what they would find here.

Have a good day.

Thank you Harley - I get your frustration - According to some I am just a civilian but have been an army wife for almost 30 years - yes its frustrating sometimes without any solution in sight but you cant let it get to the point it impairs your ability to lead - We finished our command so time back - my husband was enlisted for many years before goign back to school so we have been on both sides of the coin and he struggled with leadership of young men fresh out of school that really didnt get the whole picture and created chaos and confusion for those like yourself but there are many many that are like you that made the decision to get on those leasdership position to make a difference and changes so dont give up dig in these kids need your experience, your wisdom and mostly your leadership - a house divided will not stand - remember this country she is the beat of our heart so give all you got and wallk around the ones that dont see that - they wont last long anyways.

[TheHarleyMan2]

wow...2614 jumps....what unit are you in that you can jump on average 12 times in a month...I want to go there....I thought I was in a great unit when i was able to jump 2 times a month....and there is a thing called scheduling conflicts...with you being an observer at FT Polk I am sure you might have run into that

I know many people in some Airborne units that has a bit of rank to make it happen. I always check to see if there were seats available, most of the time I could squeeze in on the last aircraft. A lot of time waiting. I always had my equipment, (along with my manifest), from my unit and when the Jumpmaster of the chalk gave the OK on my equipment it was a go. Sometimes I was not able to get on flights and sat waiting only to go home a few times. I entered in compititions if I had the time to get into one. But if I had a good weekend, I could pull at least 3-5 jumps on 1 weekend depending on the aircraft used. Some of the time our unit, when we used Huey's back then, and Blackhawks when they fased out Huey's we could average 8 jumps during our quarterly schedule and if wee jumped on the weekends we jumped 5-9 jumps on a weekend. Sometmies when the company allowed we would schedule for Balackhawks for us to jumps at least 2 weekends a month. The unit I used to be in we would jump every month. Most Airborne Units will only thier soldiers, (like 82nd) make a couple of jumps in a Quarter as required to recieve jump pay.

Things are a bit compicated as getting on chalks to jump when it isn't your unit, so things have simmered down as far as getting on manifests and getting permission these days. I love jumping and I will continue to do so until I can't walk anymore.

If you are in an Airborne Unit check and get permission from your command and also when you locate a unit jumping go through the proceedures to see if there are any available seats. If there are then you might be able to attend, always make sure you have your manifest and the Jumpmaster logs your jumps for you.

Good luck.

[mel44]

I know many people in some Airborne units that has a bit of rank to make it happen. I always check to see if there were seats available, most of the time I could squeeze in on the last aircraft. A lot of time waiting. I always had my equipment, (along with my manifest), from my unit and when the Jumpmaster of the chalk gave the OK on my equipment it was a go. Sometimes I was not able to get on flights and sat waiting only to go home a few times. I entered in compititions if I had the time to get into one. But if I had a good weekend, I could pull at least 3-5 jumps on 1 weekend depending on the aircraft used. Some of the time our unit, when we used Huey's back then, and Blackhawks when they fased out Huey's we could average 8 jumps during our quarterly schedule and if wee jumped on the weekends we jumped 5-9 jumps on a weekend. Sometmies when the company allowed we would schedule for Balackhawks for us to jumps at least 2 weekends a month. The unit I used to be in we would jump every month. Most Airborne Units will only thier soldiers, (like 82nd) make a couple of jumps in a Quarter as required to recieve jump pay.

Things are a bit compicated as getting on chalks to jump when it isn't your unit, so things have simmered down as far as getting on manifests and getting permission these days. I love jumping and I will continue to do so until I can't walk anymore.

If you are in an Airborne Unit check and get permission from your command and also when you locate a unit jumping go through the proceedures to see if there are any available seats. If there are then you might be able to attend, always make sure you have your manifest and the Jumpmaster logs your jumps for you.

Good luck.


HArley isnt that hard on your knees? I am impressed but ouch!

[TheHarleyMan2]

HArley isnt that hard on your knees? I am impressed but ouch!

Well, I have been lucky on the knees part, it is all about the landing, I have had a few rough ones and the rest most weren't bad at all. I was sky diving prior to me going into the Army with 124 jumps under my belt. I did develope stress fractures of both my tibias about 4 years ago and during that time i didn't jump for almost 2 years. It took me a great deal of time for them to heal. So far I haven't had any problems, I just hope when I get old I don't have any leg or back problems. I thought about getting out of the sky diving thing, but it is too much of a rush for me to quit!

[mel44]

Well, I have been lucky on the knees part, it is all about the landing, I have had a few rough ones and the rest most weren't bad at all. I was sky diving prior to me going into the Army with 124 jumps under my belt. I did develope stress fractures of both my tibias about 4 years ago and during that time i didn't jump for almost 2 years. It took me a great deal of time for them to heal. So far I haven't had any problems, I just hope when I get old I don't have any leg or back problems. I thought about getting out of the sky diving thing, but it is too much of a rush for me to quit!

Hummm well as a mom ihave to tell you to make sure you keep your calcium intake up and have your bones checked to make sure they are healthy and strong - arthritis is crippling when you get older but you dont have to get it if you use preventative measure - keeping weight down alcohol can take healthy levels out of your body so be careful - nothing worse than bad knees - I watched the guys junp last year and wow beautiful most amazing sight -

[brak]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE!!!!!, Maybe he wanted the SILVER BAR but NO OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES or POLITICAL INPUT!

I am COUNTING my days of my ETS as THIS ARMY and IT's POLICIES are NOT WHAT I CAME INTO, in 1990. Todays Army is CERTAINLY an ARMY of 1, EACH SOLDIER FOR THEMSELVES, and DFAS, (DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING ANY SOLDIER)....WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Chain of Command DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF THIER SOLDIERS, it is US ENLISTED who MAKE THE OFFICERS SHINE without (US ENLISTED) REAPING ANY REWARDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!

Political input? No thanks. But officer responsibilities? There are plenty, thanks.

Oh, and btw, the Army you join is never the same when you leave it. Some colleagues and I were recently lamenting the current state of the Army and I realized that it's one of those "the more things change the more they stay the same" situations. Folks have been saying the same thing about the Army since it stood up. And when I came in the Army (the year after you did), people were saying the same stuff you are now.

[MRMIXITUP]

They can take those SUVs they drive in Iraq and shove them up their asses.

They should be driving HUMVEEs everywhere, and saving the government money.

The SUVs are only good for one thing: making the passengers look important and comfortable. Screw them. Let 'em drive around in the same vehicles as their Soldiers.

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! GOOD ONE!!!!!, Maybe he wanted the SILVER BAR but NO OFFICER RESPONSIBILITIES or POLITICAL INPUT!

I am COUNTING my days of my ETS as THIS ARMY and IT's POLICIES are NOT WHAT I CAME INTO, in 1990. Todays Army is CERTAINLY an ARMY of 1, EACH SOLDIER FOR THEMSELVES, and DFAS, (DEPARTMENT OF FUCKING ANY SOLDIER)....WHAT A FUCKING JOKE!!!!!

Chain of Command DON'T EVEN TAKE CARE OF THIER SOLDIERS, it is US ENLISTED who MAKE THE OFFICERS SHINE without (US ENLISTED) REAPING ANY REWARDS! PLAIN AND SIMPLE!


You obviously someone that didnt make it pass E-4 that is filling a leadership position or not even a Senior NCO from all your griping that you are showing for your 19-years of service or some POG MOS that doesnt understand other echelons but gladly criticizes. You sound more like a weekend warrior than anything else (wait you are). Glad you are ETSing or should it be retiring? Dont let the door hit you on the way out!! Sounds like a civilian military poser lol.

Warrants are exceptional enlisted soldiers that are given the opportunity to work at a higher level where their expertise will come into light. Even though they are speciality track, they can lead soldiers and implement policy. But obviously you dont have what it takes to be one.

"The Army WO is a self–aware and adaptive technical expert, combat leader, trainer, and advisor. Through progressive levels of expertise in assignments, training, and education, the WO administers, manages, maintains, operates, and integrates Army systems and equipment across the full spectrum of Army operations. Warrant Officers are innovative integrators of emerging technologies, dynamic teachers, confident warfighters, and developers of specialized teams of soldiers. They support a wide range of Army missions throughout their career. Warrant officers in the Army are accessed with specific levels of technical ability. They refine their technical expertise and develop their leadership and management skills through tiered progressive assignment and education."
(Para 3-5, DA Pamphlet 600-3, Dec 2005)

Further clarification of the role of a warrant officer is found in FM 6-22

“Warrant officers possess a high degree of specialization in a particular field in contrast to the more general assignment pattern of other commissioned officers. Warrant officers command aircraft, maritime vessels, special units, and task organized operational elements. In a wide variety of units and headquarters specialties, warrants provide quality advice, counsel, and solutions to support their unit or organization. They operate, maintain, administer, and manage the Army‘s equipment, support activities, and technical systems. Warrant officers are competent and confident warriors, innovative integrators of emerging technologies, dynamic teachers, and developers of specialized teams of Soldiers. Their extensive professional experience and technical knowledge qualifies warrant officers as invaluable role models and mentors for junior officers and NCOs.”
(Para 3-12, Field Manual 6-22, Approved Final Draft)

The Army Warrant Officer Corps is comprised of over 25,000 men and women of the active Army and reserve components. Warrant officers are technical experts that manage and maintain increasingly complex battlefield systems. They enhance the Army's ability to defend our national interests, and to fight and win our nations wars.

Candidates who successfully complete Warrant Officer Candidate School are appointed in the grade of Warrant Officer One. When promoted to Chief Warrant Officer Two, warrant officers are commissioned by the President and have the same legal status as their traditional commissioned officer counterparts. However, warrant officers remain single-specialty officers whose career track is oriented towards progressing within their career field rather than focusing on increased levels of command and staff duty positions.

From an 101st Airborne Division Combat Leader, former-Marine and Air Assault qualified!! from staff-NCO to Warrant!! hooah!!!

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

Ya I agree doesnt make siince does it. Just because you have the opportunity to go to school doesnt mean you are a good leader and should have lives in your hands - The xo that went with my husband to Afghanistan had never been deployed before - kinda scary for sure


Moot comment. What about during the first push when leaders didnt have combat/deployed experience. Everyone is getting their turn at operation experience and even though you been deployed, doesnt make you a certified combat leader.

[smarg]

They can take those SUVs they drive in Iraq and shove them up their asses.

They should be driving HUMVEEs everywhere, and saving the government money.

The SUVs are only good for one thing: making the passengers look important and comfortable. Screw them. Let 'em drive around in the same vehicles as their Soldiers.

Oh, you should see the SUVs all over the Victory Base Complex here...the Corps and the Force CSMs have their coterie of butt boys and girls that drive them everywhere in their shiny black vehicles; as soon as they stop the polish rags come out...the CSMs are followed by at least 4 or 5 enlisted aides as they sashay up to their ornate offices with huge staffs.

Just want to phukking PUKE whenever I see this. Complete garbage.

Thanks, I feel better now. :D

[smarg]

Warrants are exceptional enlisted soldiers that are given the opportunity to work at a higher level where their expertise will come into light. Even though they are speciality track, they can lead soldiers and implement policy.

Unfortunately I've had mainly unpleasant experiences with Army Warrants. Being quite intelligent, they use the above paragraph to their advantage. When told to take responsibility, most will not because "they are specialists." When told to do tasks that they deem beneath them, "they are officers". Seems they sell out once they put on the fake officer bars.:D

Army Warrants are also known amongst the Regular officers as "walking mustaches with problems", since most feel like they have to grow one for some silly reason.

I've known a few, though, that were highly professional and competent. I hope you're one of those. :)

[mel44]

Unfortunately I've had mainly unpleasant experiences with Army Warrants. Being quite intelligent, they use the above paragraph to their advantage. When told to take responsibility, most will not because "they are specialists." When told to do tasks that they deem beneath them, "they are officers". Seems they sell out once they put on the fake officer bars.:D

Army Warrants are also known amongst the Regular officers as "walking mustaches with problems", since most feel like they have to grow one for some silly reason.

I've known a few, though, that were highly professional and competent. I hope you're one of those. :)

YES (great loud clapping) I have had significant time around warrents ow my goodness what a bunch of ding dongs (not all some are really great) but the majority are "Special" worst experience ive had in the army is our time with aviation really glad we have moved on!

[paratrooper]

paratrooper - whats a road?

Retired On Active Duty

[paratrooper]

There isn't anything wrong with MY LEADERSHIP as far as MY SOLDIERS, I take care of them, and make sure they have the equipment and training to do the job. As far as MY REQUEST to MY HIGHER COMMAND, I can make ALL the RECOMMENDATIONS to do training, etc, only to get SHOT down my some Officer in Command who changes the training schedule every freaken week. Don't question MY leadership skills, explain to me how is a MAJOR in the Army reserves changing training schedules that are SUPPOSED to BE POSTED 6 MONTHS PRIOR to ACTUAL DUTY TRAINING? Let me give you an EXAMPLE. I turn in MY TRAINING ORDERS and SCHEDULES for MY SOLDIERS in MY TEAM to do LEADERSHIP REACTION COURSES, WEAPONS TRAINING, COMBATIVES, SURVIVAL SKILLS, LAND NAVIGATION, ETC, so on and so on, so when the TIME COMES for them to go to schools, get deployed, or be in combat situations they know WHAT TO DO and HOW to DO IT. Explain to me how a MAJOR wants to hold B.S. briefings that doesn't even amount to training and everyone sit around the drill hall DOING JACK SHIT? EXPLAIN that one for me being you KNOW ABOUT MY LEADERSHIP SKILLS? REMEMBER IN CASEYOU FORGOT, OFFICERS MAKES THE DECISIONS! Another example, our TRAINING SCHEDULE FOR THIS WEEKEND was CHANGED 3 TIMES last week PRIOR TO DRILL THIS WEEKEND!

As far as me NOT RETIRING, that IS MY BUSINESS, because I feel if it is a BATTLE BETWEEN MY COMMAND TO GET MY SOLDIERS TRAINED instead of sitting in a drill hall doing NOTHING, if I CAN'T TRAIN MY SOLDIERS the WAY OF THE NCO CORPS is SUPPOSED to do, because SOME DIPSHIT OFFICER PREVENTS ME DOING MY JOB as well as OTHER NCO's IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS with the SAME PROBLEM with TRAINING, WE are ALL getting tired of the B.S.. I also don't like TODAYS "NEW ARMY STANDARDS" which is going to shit. How is a SOLDIER suppose to get weapons training on a computer in Basic Training, because the "NEW ARMY' doesn't want to spend the funding for LIVE AMMO to have SOLDIERS QUALIFY on in BASIC, this is the "NEW ARMY"? BASIC TRAINING is NOW leaving the SOLDIER to go back to his or her unit to ACTUALLY TOUCH an M-16. Ask any recruit coming out of basic what he got trained on and for how long, etc This is NOT the ONLY PROBLEM with the ARMY WHEN IT COMES TO LEADERSHIP and TRAINING! SO I NO LONGER want to BE A PART OF the "NEW ARMY"!

Sorry for pissing in your flakes Bro. I am an Active Duty Major so the who drill thing is a little foreign. I will update my profile today. I detect mad officer envy. The best way to change something is to (1) attempt to interject ideas, (2) get promoted, (3), continue to advise, recommend, and assist. Quitting is not an option. Did I mention that quitting is not an option? Guess what, my new Harley arrived yesterday!!!!

[USMC_8156]

Oh, you should see the SUVs all over the Victory Base Complex here...the Corps and the Force CSMs have their coterie of butt boys and girls that drive them everywhere in their shiny black vehicles; as soon as they stop the polish rags come out...the CSMs are followed by at least 4 or 5 enlisted aides as they sashay up to their ornate offices with huge staffs.

Just want to phukking PUKE whenever I see this. Complete garbage.

Thanks, I feel better now. :D

It's the perks of holding a command billet. Get the hell over it.

[mel44]

It's the perks of holding a command billet. Get the hell over it.

Yea I agree - J worked really hard for those perks - What is life without perks - I detect a little envy going on

[smarg]

It's the perks of holding a command billet. Get the hell over it.

Okay, let me know when and how an enlisted person is entitled to command ANY unit, instead of their mandated roles.

What is life without perks - I detect a little envy going on

Agree; whenever you have field grade officers in spartan conditions compared to the enlisted "generals" in their kingdoms, there is some envy because it just doesn't smell right. Somehow the PC real generals allowed the whole thing to get out of hand.:(

[smarg]

YES (great loud clapping) I have had significant time around warrents ow my goodness what a bunch of ding dongs (not all some are really great) but the majority are "Special" worst experience ive had in the army is our time with aviation really glad we have moved on!

YES, I have a witness!!! :D :D :D

[USMC_8156]

Okay, let me know when and how an enlisted person is entitled to command ANY unit, instead of their mandated roles

Marine Security Guard Detachment Commanders are acting Commanders, and they are SNCO's. You asked.

Regarding Sergeant Majors, they are in a command billet and they wield more authority and have more responsibility than most other officers in their unit.

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

Unfortunately I've had mainly unpleasant experiences with Army Warrants. Being quite intelligent, they use the above paragraph to their advantage. When told to take responsibility, most will not because "they are specialists." When told to do tasks that they deem beneath them, "they are officers". Seems they sell out once they put on the fake officer bars.:D

Army Warrants are also known amongst the Regular officers as "walking mustaches with problems", since most feel like they have to grow one for some silly reason.

I've known a few, though, that were highly professional and competent. I hope you're one of those. :)
Sorry about your experiences SMARG and I know you were kidding but nothing fake about the bars. A rich history goes with them and at least none of them are gold (butter). ;) Yes, some try to push the limits with the moustache and hands in the pocket because that is the image they saw but again, its getting slowly nipped in the butt.

Well there is bad and good amongst all echelons and the image of the Warrant is going through a transformation as well. Warrants are expected to take on any challenge given to them based on their backgrounds. You are told in the schoolhouse to be expected to command or have a staff position because of the shortages of the officer corps. The image of the big belly and moustache warrant is becoming a thing of the past. Warrants I know are PT studs and very competent in their specialties. Granted even a technical expert doesnt know everything but its their job to research and get the job done. I ran a squad doing combat missions in Iraq as an MP staff-sergeant; based on that background why wouldnt I want to take command responsibility if any of my commanders needed me. I couldnt say no then and I wouldnt say no now.

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YES (great loud clapping) I have had significant time around warrents ow my goodness what a bunch of ding dongs (not all some are really great) but the majority are "Special" worst experience ive had in the army is our time with aviation really glad we have moved on!


Said the spouse with not one iota of military experience.....:D but probably just agrees with her husband's views of others. lol

But if you understand the WO Corps and the difference between Aviation Warrants and Technical Warrants than you can get a better understanding of what each pool comes from. Aviation Warrants can be high school to flight school with no prior enlisted or mainly NCO experience whereas a Technical Warrant were usually E-6s and above before being selected. Check the Warrant website for each qualification. A 21-year old Warrant Officer pilot is not the same as a 38-year old prior SFC/MSG that serves as a criminal investigation detachment (CID) Warrant Officer.

[OIFCOMBATVETNYC]

Marine Security Guard Detachment Commanders are acting Commanders, and they are SNCO's. You asked.

Regarding Sergeant Majors, they are in a command billet and they wield more authority and have more responsibility than most other officers in their unit.

Well the Corps stresses leadership better than any other service and lower ranks hold higher positions compared to other branches. I was an E-3 in the Corps running a Team or at times a Squad but in the Army its unheard of unless those guys get killed off or nobody in the unit of that rank to hold the slot. Even though you can pick up sergeant in the US Army after 2 years, 99 percent of the time, you are an NCO when you are a team or squad leader position or high-speed specialist (e-4).

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Said the spouse with not one iota of military experience.....:D but probably just agrees with her husband's views of others. lol

But if you understand the WO Corps and the difference between Aviation Warrants and Technical Warrants than you can get a better understanding of what each pool comes from. Aviation Warrants can be high school to flight school with no prior enlisted or mainly NCO experience whereas a Technical Warrant were usually E-6s and above before being selected. Check the Warrant website for each qualification. A 21-year old Warrant Officer pilot is not the same as a 38-year old prior SFC/MSG that serves as a criminal investigation detachment (CID) Warrant Officer.

sir I bow to your correction - I had a relatinship with a pilot for a bit and my husband commanded in avation - had lonnnng personal experience with the bad behavior as I said not all but the majority are "special" or at lease they think they are

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Well the Corps stresses leadership better than any other service and lower ranks hold higher positions compared to other branches. I was an E-3 in the Corps running a Team or at times a Squad but in the Army its unheard of unless those guys get killed off or nobody in the unit of that rank to hold the slot. Even though you can pick up sergeant in the US Army after 2 years, 99 percent of the time, you are an NCO when you are a team or squad leader position or high-speed specialist (e-4).

I see. Good to hear the Corps to Army opinion. Anyways, IMO, a Sgt Major usually has 20+ years of experience, and once they reach the level where they are a Group/Reg SgtMaj, they have proven themselves to their service and deserve all of the perks that so anger Smarg for some reason.

We all take different paths through the military, but once you reach that level (and not everyone does, of course) I have no reservations against them receiving as many perks as fit their level of responsibility.

Oh, and SF NYC. What made you transition?

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Oh, you should see the SUVs all over the Victory Base Complex here...the Corps and the Force CSMs have their coterie of butt boys and girls that drive them everywhere in their shiny black vehicles; as soon as they stop the polish rags come out...the CSMs are followed by at least 4 or 5 enlisted aides as they sashay up to their ornate offices with huge staffs.

Just want to phukking PUKE whenever I see this. Complete garbage.

Thanks, I feel better now. :D

At the new Embassy, they have dozens of BMW 7-series cars used for diplomats. And yes, they actually travel around Baghdad in them (outside the wire). This tells me that they are armored, which likely makes them cost over $200,000 ea.

BMW Sedans in a war zone, huh? :rolleyes: What better way to show we sympathize with the Iraq people than BALLIN!!!! around their neighborhoods in a car that costs more money then they'll make in their lifetimes.

BALLIN!

[mel44]

At the new Embassy, they have dozens of BMW 7-series cars used for diplomats. And yes, they actually travel around Baghdad in them (outside the wire). This tells me that they are armored, which likely makes them cost over $200,000 ea.

BMW Sedans in a war zone, huh? :rolleyes: What better way to show we sympathize with the Iraq people than BALLIN!!!! around their neighborhoods in a car that costs more money then they'll make in their lifetimes.

BALLIN!

Hummm that requires thought not to good is it:mad: