More Troops to Afghanistan Means More Air Force Bodies

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by smarg

Typical Abu Ghraib drivel. Listen: the point of this thread is that because of Army senior leader careerism, they hosed their combat/support ratios up so much that they begged and demanded enlisted and non-rated officer bodies from the Air Force and Navy to fill in for their short-sightedness.

Unfortunately, the last 2 Air Force Chiefs of Staff were/are gutless and will not stand up the the Army and the SecDef on this issue. The Army knows this and will keep on sucking the Air Force dry, putting our enlisted personellists (one example) in Army dinkus billets riding shotgun on convoys.

It's bullshyt, folks. All bullshyt.

Questions?

Well smarg, as I have pointed out previously...why is it only wrong when someone does it to the Air Force? The Air Force has been doing it to everyone else since...wait when did the Air Corps separate from the Army?

[MSMUROTC]

Typical Abu Ghraib drivel. Listen: the point of this thread is that because of Army senior leader careerism, they hosed their combat/support ratios up so much that they begged and demanded enlisted and non-rated officer bodies from the Air Force and Navy to fill in for their short-sightedness.

> Or maybe, you know, you're in the military. You're supposed to support and defend the constitution of the United States, not the Air Force.

Unfortunately, the last 2 Air Force Chiefs of Staff were/are gutless and will not stand up the the Army and the SecDef on this issue. The Army knows this and will keep on sucking the Air Force dry, putting our enlisted personellists (one example) in Army dinkus billets riding shotgun on convoys.

> Maybe it's because the USAF is a self-licking ice cream cone that sucks up money that there's not enough money to go around for CS/CSS in the other services. And please, "sucking the Air Force dry" ... soldiers do 12-15 month deployments every other year. The USAF does 4-6 month deployments every 2-4 years. Waa, waa, waa.

My opinion is that the whole blue to green thing is B.S. They should just move people to the Army from the other services to finish out their contracts. Too bad, so sad.

[sandangel2001]

Okay...I stipulate I do not know SYTE about the actual support ratios. I do know my PH does however.
His take on your silliness is this>>> Aside from the intellectual game of who done it, if you think it is so GD easy to figure out then MAYBE you should finish your degree and become whatever your version of the warrant officer is and FIX it. (I agree w/ him. If you can do the job do it.) But it seems a lot like me trying to figure out if we need more PC doc's, I look at the number and stats in one light I get one answer, another version from another region sheds a different answer. You work with what you got.

The AF/ Army/ Navy are there in support of over arching missions. This requires integration of varied units, from varied branches. Geez.

And maybe you dont understand the concept of orders in the Military. Nor the concept of safeguarding your life by using gear that was issued to you for a specific reason. Wearing a helmet for hours on end when you already have a headache really SUCKS.....but you dont take it off. No, it is NOT called "being human" its called whining and placing your life in danger and being COMPLACENT

Whining: What you seem to be doing about having to support the other services. (got it! )
Complacent and dishonoring: lazy, and calling a dead man lazy; dishonors the dead. (got it)
You do not know how those men died in combat, you assume that they SAW the threat, and did nothing. No way for you to know that. If a Man chooses to not wear a piece of gear and there is a legit reason, and it does not endanger anyone else, his choice. This is the service not a babysitting operation.
Orders ... (lame)
Oh... and please test your theory. If i am buying the drinks mike we are going to My place, and I guarantee there would be no bar brawl and there would be more than 15 of my boys. Hell, on any given night there is around 30. You have one thing going in your favor on that point. I would never let any of my boys do something so incredibly stupid as to injure a whiny service member. You would be the guy who runs it up the chain of command and tells people you got picked on, it was a dirty fight etc. etc.
~ Count your blessing that Auntie Sand is honorable and VERY protective.

[smarg]

Originally Posted by MSMUROTC

Typical Abu Ghraib drivel. Listen: the point of this thread is that because of Army senior leader careerism, they hosed their combat/support ratios up so much that they begged and demanded enlisted and non-rated officer bodies from the Air Force and Navy to fill in for their short-sightedness.

> Or maybe, you know, you're in the military. You're supposed to support and defend the constitution of the United States, not the Air Force.

Unfortunately, the last 2 Air Force Chiefs of Staff were/are gutless and will not stand up the the Army and the SecDef on this issue. The Army knows this and will keep on sucking the Air Force dry, putting our enlisted personellists (one example) in Army dinkus billets riding shotgun on convoys.

> Maybe it's because the USAF is a self-licking ice cream cone that sucks up money that there's not enough money to go around for CS/CSS in the other services. And please, "sucking the Air Force dry" ... soldiers do 12-15 month deployments every other year. The USAF does 4-6 month deployments every 2-4 years. Waa, waa, waa.

My opinion is that the whole blue to green thing is B.S. They should just move people to the Army from the other services to finish out their contracts. Too bad, so sad.

Put a lid on that hate-or-ade, son.

[Yggdrasil]

Originally Posted by MSMUROTC

My opinion is that the whole blue to green thing is B.S. They should just move people to the Army from the other services to finish out their contracts. Too bad, so sad.

Blue to Green is awesome! Afterall, someone in need has to be there to take the shitbags that the Navy and Air Force don't want anymore! But hey, that may be the only way Army gets its manning - we're talking the one service no one wants to join until they see them big 'ol bonuses. The service that, during Vietnam, had people lined up for blocks outside of the other services' recruiting offices to avoid being drafted into it. Looks to me like misery loves company.

[MCGYVER]

LOL, too funny.

[Michaep]

Originally Posted by MSMUROTC

Typical Abu Ghraib drivel. Listen: the point of this thread is that because of Army senior leader careerism, they hosed their combat/support ratios up so much that they begged and demanded enlisted and non-rated officer bodies from the Air Force and Navy to fill in for their short-sightedness.

> Or maybe, you know, you're in the military. You're supposed to support and defend the constitution of the United States, not the Air Force.

Unfortunately, the last 2 Air Force Chiefs of Staff were/are gutless and will not stand up the the Army and the SecDef on this issue. The Army knows this and will keep on sucking the Air Force dry, putting our enlisted personellists (one example) in Army dinkus billets riding shotgun on convoys.

> Maybe it's because the USAF is a self-licking ice cream cone that sucks up money that there's not enough money to go around for CS/CSS in the other services. And please, "sucking the Air Force dry" ... soldiers do 12-15 month deployments every other year. The USAF does 4-6 month deployments every 2-4 years. Waa, waa, waa.

My opinion is that the whole blue to green thing is B.S. They should just move people to the Army from the other services to finish out their contracts. Too bad, so sad.

lol hey buddy......umm ya....you might wanna get your facts straight because they are WAY off

[Michaep]

Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

Blue to Green is awesome! Afterall, someone in need has to be there to take the shitbags that the Navy and Air Force don't want anymore! But hey, that may be the only way Army gets its manning - we're talking the one service no one wants to join until they see them big 'ol bonuses. The service that, during Vietnam, had people lined up for blocks outside of the other services' recruiting offices to avoid being drafted into it. Looks to me like misery loves company.

The Army offered me an insane amount of money to go blue to green.....F*** THAT

ya'll can deal with the 110 year old PFC's, not this guy

[Combat correspondent]

Why would you be a 110-year-old PFC? Are you a 110-year-old A1C currently. You know, Michaep, unlike the Corps, a PFC in the Army is an E-3....you are an E-3 currently? If that is the case, it would explain a lot about your posts. But, whats with the age thing???

I think you are commenting on some of the very, very old Guard and Reserve soldiers you see running around....I've seen some low-ranking soldiers in their 50s myself so know what you are talking about but there's no way you could be that old. The AF wouldn't have it!

[MSMUROTC]

Ok, I'm willing to be corrected. Not on the Army stats -- 12 to 15 month deployments every other year still stand.

Now, I'm speaking from personal experience here. I left in May of 07, got back in August 08. My unit is scheduled to depart in November now, so it's not 100% exact, but it's pretty close. I talked to the USAF personnel while I was there and that was what I was told by them. So it's hearsay, and I'm not familiar with your military "branch of service" (I am using the quotes to denote that I'm using that term loosely).

And just to make this official and objective, here's an article: http://www.army.mil/-news/2009/10/06...isted-leaders/

So -- what's the USAF's deployment tempo?

P.S. Still waiting to hear the details about this USAF-took-over-for-an-Infantry-unit story.