Army will order thousands in IRR to muster

[ArmyBrave1]

Ringjamesa, I did not say anything about the officers being on high moral ground. It was you who said that.

If I do become an officer, I will make sure both officers and enlisted personnel are treated fairly.

I am sure there are good, decent and honest hard working officers in the military and I am 100% sure you guys need more good officers.

That guy who shot up Ft. Hood is a p.o.s. and I think he is well on his way to the electric chair in Texas.

[LethalKris 6]

What happend to all the other quotes on here?!

Originally Posted by ArmyBrave1

LethalKris6, If these guys really are not in the military then double shame on them.

I have made very clearly in previous posts that I am considering the US Army or the US Air Force.

It does not matter if he/she is a boy/man or girl/woman.

Once you sign up with Uncle Sam. You had better come prepared as a man or a woman ready to take on military duties.

This isn't the boy/girl scouts. This is about national defense & life and death stuff period.

If the nation got attacked, for example of course the draft gets started tomorrow then this IRR discussion would be worth nothing. You get your draft card from the Selective Service and you report for military duty.

I don't think I made it clear that I understand the human need to moan and piss about the IRR but I am speaking about holding yourselves to a higher military standard.

The IRR system is in place for a good reason. If I was in the service, I got called for IRR duty.

Would I be upset that my life is put on hold while I report for combat duty?

Yes but if Uncle Sam calls you then you had better come ready as a man or a woman. That is the whole point.

This is too funny! You're not in the military yet? Judging by the content in your previous posts, as well as the large font, and use of adjectives like bloody, I would have thought you were an older, retired gentleman that was reading through these threads to relive your glory days and motivate young bucks to fulfill their service obligations. You have every right to express your opinion on here, but you really have NO idea what you're talking about. You’re right…the IRR system is in place for a good reason...and so is the Selective Servive. Maybe some of the vets on here are "bitching" because they're tired of being the same ones being sent to combat zones (IRR tends to activate other MOSs more than others), or they feel other Americans should be doing their part (why not use the draft?), or they aren’t cut out for the military…I can go on...

Originally Posted by ArmyBrave1

Well, I wish more people understood what the military really is all about.

I also wish there were more military professionals in uniform.

Not a bunch of crybabies or chronic whiners…

There is no shame in saying I am civilian because that is what I am until I enlist in the military and experience what you guys experience at work.

You may have forgetten that I along with the millions of taxpayers pay the taxes and the military has to be the best at all times.

I would wait to see what Sizzle-Chested Soldier and Lethal Kris6 has to say. :cool

No one knows what the military is all about…people in the military can’t even figure it out. We have people trying to justify the existence of their branches (Field Artillery and Air Defense), and soldiers actually complaining about their LACK of going out and “blowing shit up” so that they can escort people in the State Department to a dairy farm. You mentioned your tax dollars…you’ll pay taxes in the service AND get to see how it’s squandered. You mentioned how you wished the military had more professionals and wasn’t a bunch of crybabies or chronic whiners. You’re crying about tax dollars while service members are complaining about going on multiple deployments and risking their lives (something you obviously haven’t done yet). I’m not going to explain what happens during a year-long deployment…maybe you can read about it in one of your war novels, or in one of sizzle-chest’s embellished posts on this thread.

You have a lot to learn about, and I really hope you're not in for a disppointment if you ever do sign up. Everyone's experiences are different.

Why are you wasting your time on here anyway when you should be answering your nation’s call and help out so Sizzle Chest can take a knee?! Drop everything you’re doing, make up your bloody mind and sign up NOW! You’re nation needs you, Brave Warrior!

[ringjamesa]

Originally Posted by ArmyBrave1

Ringjamesa, I did not say anything about the officers being on high moral ground. It was you who said that.
If I do become an officer, I will make sure both officers and enlisted personnel are treated fairly.
I am sure there are good, decent and honest hard working officers in the military and I am 100% sure you guys need more good officers.
That guy who shot up Ft. Hood is a p.o.s. and I think he is well on his way to the electric chair in Texas.

That wasn't your exact verbage but you did say;

Originally Posted by ArmyBrave1

I think those who want to become officers in the military will truly want to be officers and nothing will stop them from becoming professional military officers.

What do you mean if you become an officer? You said you were ENLISTING *at some future date of course... )
How do you match the last statement above with your statement that you said previously. Ether SOMETHING stopped him from being a professional officer or he fits YOUR description of a professional officer. Can't have it both ways.

[ArmyBrave1]

The last sentence is well said, Lethal Kris6.

Ringjamesa, I am not going to argue over petty issues.

I spoke with both army and air force recruiters today before reading this post and still have not decided between the two services or to be an officer or enlisted man.

There is no doubt I am going to enter the military.

[Sizzle-Chested Soldier]

Originally Posted by ArmyBrave1

There is no shame in saying I am civilian because that is what I am until I enlist in the military and experience what you guys experience at work.

I am entitled to my opinion just like you are entitled to your opinion.

You may have forgetten that I along with the millions of taxpayers pay the taxes and the military has to be the best at all times.

I think those who want to become officers in the military will truly want to be officers and nothing will stop them from becoming professional military officers.

I would wait to see what Sizzle-Chested Soldier and Lethal Kris6 has to say.

ArmyBrave1, I believe that you have many theoretically-sound points with the military, but you have yet to experience the reality of the military in contrast to the concept that is the military. After 9/11, when our enemy - terror - first showed itself to us, I felt a strong desire to enlist and take our righteous fight to the Taliban in Afghanistan. However, I was only 13 years-old at the time, so when I approached the local recruiter he said that I was too young to join and that I should wait until my balls dropped before considering an enlistment. I replied that my Warrior's heart beat with intense pride and determination to smite our dark and elusive foe wherever he may be, and that my sheer dedication more than made up for my shriveled testes. The recuiter told me that I had to wait until I was 17 and then, with parental consent, I could enlist. With a deep sorrow in my soul, I reluctantly conceded his point. Though I had to wait four years before I could join, I was not idle. I honed my War Fighter skills in the back woods of my father's home in northern Michigan, learning the hunter's craft of stalking deer and squirrels with my father's musket and buck knife. I worked out, studied military history, and pacticed my MMA everyday. EVERY DAY without rest until that day came when I turned 17 and, with my father's consent, I joined the Army.

Once I got into the Army, my perception changed. My exceptional self-disipline caused me to excel far beyond my peers. I graduated 1st in my class in every school I attended, but it was not a success I enjoyed because I saw so many "Soldiers" who came for the wrong reasons, and I realized that they were holding me down. I was actually so unimpressed with how far I surpassed all of my peers that I actually considered only doing my initial 2-year ADSO and then not re-uping. Thankfully, I ran into some top-tier Soldiers from the 1st Ranger Battalion and my life changed forever. It was in the Rangers that I found my nich.

ArmyBrave1, I tell you this, my story, to let you know first hand that everyone has a view of the military, but they are ALWAYS different based on which perspective you are looking at (in the military or in the civilian world). For me, I was much like you. I thought of the Army would be fulled with almost flawless Soldiers like myself, but that was not the case. No, the only place I found War Fighters as skilled and talented as myself were in the Ranger Battalions.

My suggestion to you if you are still considering to join the military is this: Join the Army and go to the Rangers as fast as you can if you want to see the pinnicle of male perfection. Do not join the Air Force because that is not a branch recognized by REAL Warriors, which means it is not a military branch. Don't wait until you join the military to learn - begin learning NOW. Remember, the Rangers are the most elite fighting unit in the world, and they will not take Soldiers who are not totally committed and totally prepared. Like my first Squad Leader in the Rangers told me when I first arrived to the unit: "Ranger, we are only the most efficient and successful fighting force this world has ever known because we are the most tight-knit, cohesive team ever formed. You form that cohesiveness by getting close to your battle buddies. So close, in fact, that other units will tell you you're gay - literally gay and mounting another man - But it's not gay what we do... it's teamwork." I took this motto to heart, fellow patriots, and that only caused my success in the Army to grow. But it's not all joy and pride - there's sorrow and pain as well. You have to be prepared not just to relish in the knowledge of how much better you are than everyone else in the Army with your battle buddy over beers at the bar after kicking ass at a field exercise, but you also have to be ready to care for your battle buddy when tragedy befalls him. Like when he tells you that his wife is divorcing him and you have to hold him in your arms as he sobs tears into your tight t-shirt above the nipples. Or when another buddy gets shot in the leg in Iraq. It looks like a flesh wound on the outer thigh, but you can't be sure, so you carefully cut his pants off and bandage the mild laceration. You do not know if he has other wounds so you tenderly feel all over his body, running your hands firmly but delicately over his chisled abs and broad shoulders. You then have to turn him over on his stomach and whisper soft words of encouragement into his ear that everything's going to be alright while he moans gently through the pain.... All this while in a war zone. Think on this and make the right choice for youself... Go Rangers.

Sua-Spante. Rangers Lead The Way Everyday!

[Variable Wind]

Okay this has become wayyyy off topic.

[SGT D. Diggler]

Originally Posted by Variable Wind

Okay this has become wayyyy off topic.

Actually, I don't think this forum could be more ON topic. What is the most important thing we are talking about right now? I'm pretty sure Sizzle-Chest pinpointed it: a war on terror. It is men like him that provide the blanket of freedom that we as Americans sleep peaceably under every night. We want men like that on guard, we NEED men like that on guard for us.

When it comes to the IRR question: the answer is as simple as commitment. Just like numerous others have already posted, when you sign up for the Army, Uncle Sam owns you. He decides what hours you work, where you live, and what benefits you receive. This is the way it is and the way it has always been. Even George Washington knew the comitment and he knew that the Army was all about dedicated, unquestioning loyalty. When he signed his name on the dotted line, he knew he had to do his IRR time. Do you think George Washington would have skipped out on IRR? No, because that's what Benedict Arnold did, and George Washinigton HATED Benedict Arnold. One time George even called Benedict a 'billy no-mates' which meant that Benedict didn't have any friends which at the time was the greatest insult a British gentleman could tell another British gentleman, and it is even worse when an american call a brit this name. this is fact.

i think the big take away is that it is up to us as enlisted, nco's and officers (an army of ONE) to set the standard for the rest of the country and the world. after all, we have a far superior ethical compass than the rest of the world. that is why it was okay for us to tell iraq to be free and become a democracy - because the government they had before wasn't good and as the most powerful country in the world it is our righteous responsibility to determine what governments are good and what are bad. for example: iraq (pre-american occupation) BAD, iran BAD, North Korea BAD, New Zealand BAD. America GOOD, Britain GOOD, Uganda GOOD. and it is up to the GOOD guys to tell the BAD guys 'hey you bad guys, stop being dicks and shove your oppression up your tight assholes. here, take this freedom and democracy like smart GOOD guys and become better. because democracy is the best thing we have and all other government types arent as good - that's what our founding father Lincoln said at his Ghettysburg address. Lincoln was like "all you people in the south shouldn't be slaves and here is my emancipation that i am proclamating and you are now free and if the south doesnt like it they are stupid bad guys and we will war them."

i guess what i'm trying to say is, i serve this country to fight for its way of life which is freedom and democracy and which we must make everybody else have because its morally correct. as an NCO in the american army, i have also tried to fight honorably and uphold the standard. what we do today to protect freedom from oppressors is exactly what my gradfather did during WWII. he fought and DIED for his country. how many of you will die for yours? obviously you don't even want to do IRR cause you are like Benedict Arnold. My Grandfather knew what he was getting into when he was fighting. He signed the dotted line and the government owned him. he knew he had to fight for them and that they may require him to sacrafice his life, which he did HONORABLY. nobody could have seen the enemy coming when they invaded his camp in Oświęcim. all he was doing was serving his country cause he signed the dotted line. he didnt question what he was doing, he just acted cause he had instilled in himself the 7 army values EVEN BACK THEN BEFORE THEY WERE INVENTED!!!!! specifically DUTY. he did his job w/ SELFLESS SERVICE. no body got in or out of that camp without him knowing about it. he had the LOYALTY to not doubt his country or try to get out of his comitment. the military and government said what he was doing was right and he understood that as a soldier he must accept this totally and completely and fulfill his duty - LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON.

that is all i have to say for now.

STRIKE HOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by SGT D. Diggler

Actually, I don't think this forum could be more ON topic. What is the most important thing we are talking about right now? I'm pretty sure Sizzle-Chest pinpointed it: a war on terror. It is men like him that provide the blanket of freedom that we as Americans sleep peaceably under every night. We want men like that on guard, we NEED men like that on guard for us.

When it comes to the IRR question: the answer is as simple as commitment. Just like numerous others have already posted, when you sign up for the Army, Uncle Sam owns you. He decides what hours you work, where you live, and what benefits you receive. This is the way it is and the way it has always been. Even George Washington knew the comitment and he knew that the Army was all about dedicated, unquestioning loyalty. When he signed his name on the dotted line, he knew he had to do his IRR time. Do you think George Washington would have skipped out on IRR? No, because that's what Benedict Arnold did, and George Washinigton HATED Benedict Arnold. One time George even called Benedict a 'billy no-mates' which meant that Benedict didn't have any friends which at the time was the greatest insult a British gentleman could tell another British gentleman, and it is even worse when an american call a brit this name. this is fact.

i think the big take away is that it is up to us as enlisted, nco's and officers (an army of ONE) to set the standard for the rest of the country and the world. after all, we have a far superior ethical compass than the rest of the world. that is why it was okay for us to tell iraq to be free and become a democracy - because the government they had before wasn't good and as the most powerful country in the world it is our righteous responsibility to determine what governments are good and what are bad. for example: iraq (pre-american occupation) BAD, iran BAD, North Korea BAD, New Zealand BAD. America GOOD, Britain GOOD, Uganda GOOD. and it is up to the GOOD guys to tell the BAD guys 'hey you bad guys, stop being dicks and shove your oppression up your tight assholes. here, take this freedom and democracy like smart GOOD guys and become better. because democracy is the best thing we have and all other government types arent as good - that's what our founding father Lincoln said at his Ghettysburg address. Lincoln was like "all you people in the south shouldn't be slaves and here is my emancipation that i am proclamating and you are now free and if the south doesnt like it they are stupid bad guys and we will war them."

i guess what i'm trying to say is, i serve this country to fight for its way of life which is freedom and democracy and which we must make everybody else have because its morally correct. as an NCO in the american army, i have also tried to fight honorably and uphold the standard. what we do today to protect freedom from oppressors is exactly what my gradfather did during WWII. he fought and DIED for his country. how many of you will die for yours? obviously you don't even want to do IRR cause you are like Benedict Arnold. My Grandfather knew what he was getting into when he was fighting. He signed the dotted line and the government owned him. he knew he had to fight for them and that they may require him to sacrafice his life, which he did HONORABLY. nobody could have seen the enemy coming when they invaded his camp in Oświęcim. all he was doing was serving his country cause he signed the dotted line. he didnt question what he was doing, he just acted cause he had instilled in himself the 7 army values EVEN BACK THEN BEFORE THEY WERE INVENTED!!!!! specifically DUTY. he did his job w/ SELFLESS SERVICE. no body got in or out of that camp without him knowing about it. he had the LOYALTY to not doubt his country or try to get out of his comitment. the military and government said what he was doing was right and he understood that as a soldier he must accept this totally and completely and fulfill his duty - LIKE GEORGE WASHINGTON.

that is all i have to say for now.

STRIKE HOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive seen this BS before:

[vette88]

Originally Posted by Variable Wind

Ive seen this BS before:

WTH Over???

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by vette88

WTH Over???

Its was in regards to Diggler who sounded like he was writing a biography with a 2nd grade education. This whole thread has gone off topic, anywhere from LethalKris getting her feelings hurt over something trivial, to ArmyBrave1 talking about how he doesnt know what service he wants or whether he wants to be an officer or enlisted. All in all, I will say that my image has more to do with the thread than any of the crap being discussed currently.

Sorry, Vette, but this thread vexes me.

So, since we are off topic, is your SN because you own an early C4? I used to work for a resto-mod shop for Vettes. Im a bit of a fan of the line.