More Troops to Afghanistan Means More Air Force Bodies

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by Michaep

We suffer the least amount of casualties because at least in my experiences, we work smarter and take more precautions compared to others

That makes sense, since you probably have NO military experience.

[Michaep]

Originally Posted by Variable Wind

That makes sense, since you probably have NO military experience.

wow, youre so smart

no, i made that comment because the army squad that we took over for got COMPLETELY complacent

odd, once we took over, gear started being accounted for

more IED's were discovered PRIOR to being used, not once they hit the HMMWV

odd, there were barely any weapon malfunctions in the firing pit

..etc...

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by Michaep

wow, youre so smart

no, i made that comment because the army squad that we took over for got COMPLETELY complacent

odd, once we took over, gear started being accounted for

more IED's were discovered PRIOR to being used, not once they hit the HMMWV

odd, there were barely any weapon malfunctions in the firing pit

..etc...

Dude, the final level on Call of Duty 4 doesnt count. I dont care why you made the comment, its still wrong. Especially about the Air Force doing the right thing. When I was in the Anbar we army guys were smart enough to turn off our position lights in our helos, your crazy AF birdmen were lit up like Christmas trees. Or what about all those missing nuke components? Yeah, the AF is far from perfect when it comes to following proper procedure, something you would know about if you were actually IN the military.

[SailorDave]

Originally Posted by Michaep

no, i made that comment because the army squad that we took over for got COMPLETELY complacent

odd, once we took over, gear started being accounted for

more IED's were discovered PRIOR to being used, not once they hit the HMMWV

odd, there were barely any weapon malfunctions in the firing pit

..etc...

You try deploying for 18 months BOG and see if you don't start getting complacent at the end. Sure, it happens. You get near redeployment and start getting a little lazy. I'm pretty sure when they first got there they were as gung ho as they could be. They developed the tactics you were taught to avoid those IEDs. I wonder what the unit that came in behind you thought about your unit when they took over. Don't go by what they told you to get you out the door. And, if I can ask, what kind of AF unit takes over for an Army unit en masse ?? Don't need the name/number of the unit, just the type of work would be fine to establish a baseline.

How many times did you deploy to the sandbox and relieve an Army unit that was complacent ? Once ? Twice ?

[smarg]

Did the Air Force need Army bodies for bullshyt duties during the Bosnia war that was won by airpower alone?

No.

Indeed, the Air Force and Navy are proudly helping their Army brethren, doing jobs they were not trained to do nor asked for, recieving ridicule for their help from their Army comrades, but worst, no support from the highest leadership of the Air Force.

God Bless America.

NEXT.

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by smarg

Did the Air Force need Army bodies for bullshyt duties during the Bosnia war that was won by airpower alone?

No.

Indeed, the Air Force and Navy are proudly helping their Army brethren, doing jobs they were not trained nor asked for, recieving ridicule and non-support from the highest leadership.

God Bless America.

NEXT.

Actually you did. I know a couple of Army Helo Battalions that were sent over there with you guys.

Thanks for playin Smarg.
(btw, it was hardly a war for us. Its no where close to the scale of involvement that we are dealing with in OIF. Are you seriously comparing that to Clinton's wagging the dog?)

[SailorDave]

Originally Posted by smarg

Did the Air Force need Army bodies for bullshyt duties during the Bosnia war that was won by airpower alone?

No.

Indeed, the Air Force and Navy are proudly helping their Army brethren, doing jobs they were not trained to do nor asked for, recieving ridicule and non-support from the highest leadership.

God Bless America.

NEXT.

Bullshit. At no time have I ever received ridicule or non-support from any of my leaders, during either trip to the sandbox. Nor has anyone I've ever spoken to personally. I'm certain there are people who have fallen through the cracks at some point because of their absence from their command, but that's the exception and not the rule.

[caliny]

Originally Posted by Michaep

lol....youre a military spouse right? so i wouldnt expect you to ever understand

Actually, no, I'm not. But thanks for playing. And kudos on the condescension.

Originally Posted by Michaep

getting complacent can KILL you.

NEVER get complacent

That means DOUBLE CHECKING that suspicious "rock" thats "probably nothing"

That means always wearing all protective gear

That means making your weapon in good working order

That means making sure your flashlight and NVG's have fresh batteries in them

So when I say that ive witnessed people just wanting to get a long mission over and done with quickly instead of taking extra precautions, i mean that lives could have been saved.

I dont expect you to understand if youve never been in my shoes

No crap. No one is arguing that complacency is a good thing. But when you imply that individuals died because of their lack of focus or care, you'd best expect to be called out on such an assinine statement.

Originally Posted by Michaep

I dont expect you to understand if youve never been in my shoes

Funny, because you seem to think you understand all sorts of things despite you never having been in some others' shoes. I may not have been in a combat environment. However, I'm a middle school teacher and, as such, am well trained to recognize assinine statements. Since you so readily fall into this age group, it's just so gosh darn easy to call you out.

[Michaep]

lol obviously ANY Navy SEAL, Delta Force, Recon, PJ, CCT, TACP, ...etc...has my utmost respect

Theyre also well aware that they dont fall into the same category as the "regular" Military

[Variable Wind]

Originally Posted by Michaep

lol obviously ANY Navy SEAL, Delta Force, Recon, PJ, CCT, TACP, ...etc...has my utmost respect

Theyre also well aware that they dont fall into the same category as the "regular" Military

Neither do you, but for different reasons.